Love this video - especially the complete censorship of Arab people living in Palestine - who owned over 90% of the land, and were the majority population. Expert propaganda, well done.
Over 75% of the land in mandatory Palestine was state ovned and during Turkish time this land was known as "the lands of Ottoman crown'' So,the Arabs who after 1948 started to claimed to be "Palestinians'' did not ovned 90% of any land.Contrary to more than 1 000 000 Jews who were expelled from all Arabic states and whose land(4,5 time the seize of Israel) was robbed,stolen with all of their properties
The only lie you have said is when you called the Arabs of Palestine, palestinians. Palestine is a Hebrew word,that is how ancient Israelis called a Non Semitic Greek people the kafftors,known by their Hebrew name the philistines. The land of Israel was empty until 1800s having less than 200 000 inh. of 26 different ethnic groups or 5% of its I century Jewish population or 2% of its current population.Than the Arab immigration started
The fact that the direct Israelite genetic origin of all Jewish population groups have been proved by such objective and measurable science like population genetics is a fact, weather you like it
By the way, not that it matters, but the Haplogroup J is one method for Jewish ancestry, and most people BY FAR with this haplogroup are Arabs, so it's not a Jewish gene at all.
Secondly, other tests compare genes with PALESTINIANS.
Do not try to interpret what you do not understand. I am myself a medical doctor and I do understand population genetics, yet I do not take the right to interpret the results of Genetic science differently than the world most famous scientists did. The Israelite Middle Eastern origin of all Jewish groups is a fact,like it or not.Arabs are not natives to the Land of Israel, it was never a "Palestinian state" they came in the same way as they left the Land of Israel.
I will paraphrase prof Hammer, who was the director of the team of the National Academy of Science which in late 90s proved the Middle Eastern origin of Ashkenazi Jews. "History and genetics work in hand to hand. When we showed the common origin of all Jews and the Middle Eastern origin of Ashkenazi Jews we have in fact proved the historical narratives of Jewish diaspora. Now, its very easy to put this details in to historical contest.
Why do you IGNORE everything else the research says? Like being LEAST DISTANT from Italians?
You ignore it, because it doesn't fit with your agenda. You are least interested in the facts and most interested in Zionist ideology. My agenda is that everyone in history is dead - people alive now are what counts. I couldn't give a fuck about Israelites, they were an ignorant bunch of morons, along with most other people.
99,8% of Middle East not 98% is not Israel. Yet if you do not understand that the Middle Eastern origin of Ashkenazi Jews can not match anything less than Israelite origin you have problem with understanding the basic role of population genetics.Population genetics is above history as it is more objective,however it could give verdicts only if it is put in historical frameworks.
I've read the research, if you wanted to prove Jews were Romans, you CAN. How? By looking at genetic distance between populations - showing Ashkenazis and Italians to be the closest than Ashkenazis and Palestinians or Syrians, second closest being Greeks.
If you wanted to prove they were NOT the ideal Aryan, you can show how far they are from Nordic peoples than other Europeans.
You can prove what you want, depending on your agenda.
They showed how the Kohanim have a pronouced expression of a particular subgroup, now - if you're an Arab, and wanted to take Israel - you can argue the fact that the vast majority of people with this so called Kohanim gene are in fact Arabs, by a long way.
You can argue that the Jewish conversions in the Caucasus, North Africa and Yemenite traditions actually mix the results to generally the Middle-East.
Palestinians are not going away - they're there, and in the millions and growing in confidence and increasing world support. The conflict will end when being Jewish is second to being human - you're one of the idiots slowing that down - not speeding it up.
YOU'RE the problem. Hitler had the same problem as you do - Jew first - anything else second. Fuck Godwin, he was a Nazi.
Israelis are from Israel - Palestinians are from Palestine. You're from wherever you were born and raised. I'm from whereever I was born and raised. One's parents may have been born and raised elsewhere - that's them, not me.
Everything else - is bullshit. The people in Auschwitz were from Germany, Poland France etc. That's why Germany has allowed all GERMAN JEWS to return HOME, that is why THOUSANDS OF ISRAELIS have moved back to Germany.
As your name is Islamic, I guess you are a Muslim.
Learn about tthe genetics litle more, read what I will send you and read about the genetic origin of modern Italians. Italians are a mixture of native Europeans and Middle Eastern people who have been integrated to Italians during Roman empire. The closest people to Italians are Greeks and guess who is next? The So called Palestinians. The Jews are closest people to the Tuscan's
The genetic distance between Jews and Italians is close because of the edition of Tuscan's, Yet this genetic distance is only reflecting autosomal chromosomes. Tuscans are Native Middle Eastern people who are living in Italy. What is first and foremost important in understanding of genetic origin is that ALL JEWISH groups from Morocco to Lithuania have common shared Middle Eastern genetic origin reflecting the unity of Jewish people which was taken with our land,
Please do not moralize here about Nazis, because you have Nazi ideas as well. Only a Nazi can favorite a video which calls for the genocide against an entire people "Israel must be wiped off the map" Of course "palestinians" are not going anywhere, there is no people on earth called palestinian and never, ever in history such nation existed.
"Palestinians " are invented people, Arabs who started to use this Hebrew name after 1948 for themselves
Did you read about the suicide bomber that didn't exist, he killed some Jews on a bus. Doesn't matter though - it was just suicide - the Jews blew that bus up, because Palestinians don't exist.
Using old Golda Meir rhetoric doesn't work - it only gets you thousands of more dead Jews. If that's what you want - then continue denying the rights of people that have more right to the land than you do.
Jewish supremacy, like all supremacies - end in one manner - FAIL.
I LOVE winning - this is why I'm an anti-Zionist :-)
There was no Jewish exile. Most Jews did not leave Palestine, the Romans have no business nor need to go around every peasant village and expel farmers. They expel only the political class and the influential, not the majority population you ignorant fool.
They stayed, they became mostly Christian, then gradually over time more became Muslims. In the Crusades, they burned the Synagogues in Jerusalem. cont...
The Palestinians have EMERGED because a map was drawn for a certain people, whoever happened to live in this map, and was not Jewish, was Palestinian, of whatever religion. ZIONISM created Palestinians. If states were created on the basis that the state has existed PRIOR to it's creation - then you're truly mentally fucked.
To illustrate how much of a lunatic you are:
Americans (1776):We want to declare these United States of America.
I red Shlomo Sand as I have red Jules Verne. Science fiction is not a science.Nations created in 20th century are invented nations. There is no such ethnic group as Palestinians, as there is no Palestinian history, no Palestinian language, no Palestinian State ot nationality, no Palestinian religion, nor any record that a single person on planet called itself "Palestinian" before 1948, even this name is stolen from Jewish history and has nothing to do with Arabs.
Zionism stole from Jewish history more than anything. Zionism is the ideology for thieves, Zionists are expert thieves. Zionists are fraudsters, liars, thieves and cunts.
Read Shlomo Sand's Invention of the Jewish people, an Israeli historian, and it was a best-seller in Israel.
By the way, Zionism is not about having a homeland, it's not about rights at all. It's about privelege - the privelege of having two homelands, wherever you are now and Israel. That has a price of another people having NO homeland at all.
In fact the Arabs who after 1948 took the Hebrew name "Palestinians" have 26 homelands of their own. This number also match the number of countries from where Muslim Arab and non Arab Muslims immigrated to the Land of Israel from 1800-1948.
Beyond this 26,they have one which is 100% theirs as it was created on the territory of only historic Palestine that ever existed, namely the Mandatory Palestine. In 1923 Palestine was divided and Arab Palestine(Jordan) was created
Beyond fact that every stone in the Land of Israel has part in Jewish history and that wherever you grab the Land of Israel ancient Israeli artifacts are proving to whom this land belong,Arabs have no any rightful claims to anything in this land. The family of my father are natives to the Land of Israel, despite that I was born in Europe. Arabs who depopulated this land, came from 1800s and the stolen land they took is not their home
As you are a Muslim , please do not teach me what Judaism is or not. Tens of millions of people are dying because of your cult all over world,so moralize to your fellow child rapists,amputator-mutilator, Shariah gangs who amputate, mutilate,honor kill and stone to death innocent woman and children on daily basis.Off course beyond all genocides you are committing against dozens of peoples and nations
The Land of Israel will never fall to the hands of your filthy cult
Islam is an offshoot of Judaism, like Mormonism is an offshoot of Christianity.
I have no religion - and even if I did - YOU STILL HAVE NO RIGHTS OVER ANY LAND BUT THE LAND YOU LEGALLY OWN.
There is no legal ownership of the "land of Israel". No such thing exists, and never has done. Israel never was a recgonized state, Jerusalem was never it's capital.
hamza, You are lying twice, while you are opening your mouth once.
Israel is internationally recognized state, member of UN and all international bodies, existing LEGALLY under all parameters of international low. Islam is crime against humanity Hamza and I have ALL rights on my land by ALL national or international laws.
Israel is a state, the "land of Israel" is a myth. There is only land, and that region is not Jewish. Why do you find this difficult for your brain to understand?
There is no Jewish state, there is an Israel - which is for people born within it's borders. Not for David Abrahamfitzsteinberg from New York.
There is Jewish state as 80% of its population is Jewish.Its not on you, nor on any Muslim, Nazi or anyone beyond the people of Israel to decide how my country will look like. Like it or not its simply not your business. Israel is a sovereign state and only its people will decide how it will look like, and what will be the laws of OUR country.
The time when our enemies decided on our faith is gone. We have our people and no one beyond us, will decide about our state.
The people there will decide? Arabs never had that right - this is why they will get it back - they COULDN'T decide, they had it decided for them by Austrians (Herzl) and Poles (Gurion) - people who have absolutely nothing to do with the Middle-East. Nothing whatsoever.
Your miserable comments further expose the level of shameless, brainless state of mind of you Muslims and Nazis. Israel was not created out of sympathy, as nothing in world was achieved because of love towards anyone including Jews. Israel was created on the blood of tens of thousands of our sons and daughters and because of power, straight and will of both homeland and diaspora Israel
Israel only exists because people are banned from going back to their villages and towns. Israel only exists because of war crimes - and nothing more.
After 60 years Israel is one of the most developed nation on earth, a nuclear superpower with one of the strongest army on earth and with more nobel Prize winners per capita than any state. Israel is a modern country, the only secular and democratic country in Middle East where the Arab minority have more rights than Arabs have in any of their 26 states.
As I have said its only upon us to decide how our country will look like and which will be its laws.
The world hates Israel - the world is not wrong. Here, we told our supermarkets not to sell Israeli fruits, and instead buy Palestinian versions, like Palestinian olive oil.
Israel is among the most popular countries among US citizens
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Europe is slowly dying out of Islamic colonization, yet the antiislamic resistance is growing there rapidly.Geert is the most popular politician in Netherlands and all projections are that resistance toward Islamic occupation will explode soon
Once there was an Israeli student visiting here, I have an air rifle - so I shot him like he just shot some Arabs after his miliary service - he cried like a good little Jew. Then I broke his nose.
the fact that you are able to harm an innocent student to whom you do not know anything just shows what kind of person you Muslims are. You are hurting innocent people, killing children in homicide-suicide attacks in schools, kindergartens and buses. Killing innocents and hurting those who don't adhere to your fascist cult is in your blood. Yet believe me if you encounter me in one of your street attacks on innocents,, you will be sent to wheelchair to the rest of your life,
I'm an atheist, stupid. See? There is a brain drain - twice I've said I have no religion. You really have brain problems, a growing problem in Israel.
LOL - Jews only win fights if they are at a far distance with weapons - in person you are weak cowards. I can handle a whole synagogue on my own.
its enough to see all Islamic shits on your channel, to expose your nature and everything will be clear
With this comments you didn't humiliate the Jews, you have humiliated yourself. Only idiots can make fun from genocide of millions of woman, children and man.However this comments reviles the moral bankruptcy of Islamofascist like you Hamaza,. Its very important for us Jews and Zionists never to fall down to your level of barbarism,primitiveness and sickens.
I will not further endanger your exposition and your disclosure with my worthless replays. You did a great job by showing what kind of subhumans your kind is.
As you get owned by your idiocy I think I can finish my conversation with you and ad you to the long list of owned stupid Muzzies.
Middle-Eastern Jews moved to Israel mostly because of economics - the same reason hundreds of thousands are moving FROM Israel to the United States or Europe - economics. It's why Palestinians work in Israel - it's how most people function. Grow up, live in the real world - and get used to the reality that most people don't give a shit about Haplogroups and dead languages.
Over 1 000 000 Jews have been expelled from all Middle Eastern countries and this native Middle Eastern Jews were robbed striped from all property. The property that was stolen from them, worth 60 times more that Arabs lost in the war, that they have started in 1948 after refusing the division of what has left from British Mandatory Palestine.
This Jews who are today 50,2% of Israelis never waged war against anyone, and where left without anything
Off course population genetics can not prove the street and the address of your ancestors.
Yet, not to much intelligence needed to understand that Ashkenazi J. are not from Dubai,or Oman. There is just one land on Middle East where every geographical location bares Hebrew name(even in Arabic). Only one land which is the cradle of Hebrew language and culture, only one land of Israelite cities and villages and as it is written on 3200 years old Merneptah Stele its called Israel
Hebrew is an offshoot of Phoenecian, and the culture itself is more Babylonian and Sumerian. Genesis plagiarizes heavily from the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Enuma Elish, Iraqi documents. Considering both the narrative of "promised land" in the texts and modern comparitive research - you should move to Iraq.
I live in Britain - 7% of white Britons show recent origins in the middle-east - what rights do they have in the middle-east? NONE. Enough with the bogus and laughable arguments that Zionists make and no one else. Why? Because you KNOW you're stealing. All arguments that try and justify theft are CRAZY - you have lost your mind trying to back a lunatic ideology.
People move to places for mostly one reason - economics. The history of the Middle-East is a history of fertile land erosion and water. Everything else is bullshit - gods telling people how evil others are = "they've got more water and better fruit, let's take it."
It was true then and true now - look at the lunatic settler movement burning Palestinian produce, shooting farmers and harassing harvesters. They are scum of the earth.
You interpet "Middle-East" to mean a few hundred square miles on the eastern Mediterenean. So don't bullshit me with the "I do not take the right to interpret."
@superhamzah85 They lived in 90%, they had no political or national control, but then we moved them and so now they don't live there anymore.
The British Government and the United Nations agreed with our claim, if you have a problem take it up with them, but don't expect Israel to willingly sacrafice itself for the good of the Palestinians.
Why don't they just live in Israel with us? There are millions of Arab-Muslims who live peacefully in Israel today.
Yes I know - that's why I have no problem anymore - in 50 years - it will simply revert back to what it was - an Arab land, you need massive military funding, and a superpower backing you to make a land something it is not - Jewish. It was French for a century, Turkish for a few centuries, currently it's Zionist for 60 years so far. It will simpyl be Palestinian in the end.
The hand of Yahuah refounded Yisrael and then brought all of Yerushalayim back to the Hebrews. The First Beast will make a peace deal with Israel and cause people to receive his Mark where without it one cannot buy nor sell. In the new Jewish Temple the First Beast will put an image that will cause the abomonation that causes desolation of which will cause all who reject the Mark of the Beast to be killed (beheaded). Only those who endure to the end shall be saved. Thanks for listening, 777denny
first jerusalem is not yours its our, second i can give you the key just leave our land
50 years is enough and 50 years dosnt mean that you become a real country we are here since thousands years just check before 100 years you will find only 3000 of our real friends jews were there and we were 700000 that is the truth.
my advice to go back to europ or usa. now or later that day will come.
God is One in Three Persons God is Creator from nothingness There is only God and what He created. God didn't had to create, but wanted. You are wanted by God to be every moment of your life. This earthly life you have to make choice. To make only one choice and very important one. You are doing this one choice every time you do anything. Whatever you do is part of this one choice. Before your death or rather in the moment of death you will do your final choice. It will be valid for all eternity
Its a time to boycot and confront Islamist butchers who are amputating,behading,rapeing,stoning to death woman cuting the eyes and noses of children,mutilating newborn girls in the name of fucking Allah.Inforcing child marriges,Islamic religious pedophilia,genocides against ower 35 nations which killed 3 000 000 inocents in just one decade.
Therfore and for many other reasons boycot/confront Muslims and destroy evil Islam
PS Support and greatings to all antiislamic resistance!
These colonial settlers are mixing between Jerusalem, Palestine and Keiv, Ukraine. They need to read about their Khazar history!! But they teach the holy book in their apartheid and keep repeating fabricated myths like exile and exodus!! Most of these colonial settlers says there is no Palestine with a Russian accent, like their new racist foreign minster a bouncer from Moldavia who wants now to evict the native Arabs, he still loyal to his bouncing job but not to Moldavia!!
Arabs are far from being any sort of natives in the Land of Israel.If you are unable to read genetic science and its leading names (Hammer,Behar,Shen,Molutsky,semino ,Cruciani,Foset,Thomas) than at least read wiki/Jews#Genetic_studies
Keep your fake date and cheap scientists to yourself, it is not the first time a racist comes out with some date "prove" the purity of a race or a group. But racist like you have no problem spreading these lies while mixing science and religion. Go back to your holy books which you read as history books.
DNA (mtDNA), we show that close to one-half of Ashkenazi Jews, estimated at 8,000,000 people, can be traced back to only four women carrying distinct mtDNAs that are virtually absent in other populations, with the important exception of non Ashkenazi jews We conclude that four founding mtDNAs, Near Eastern ancestry, and can be described as a sovely Israelite mtDNA.This mt DNA was not found in any non jewish or semitic people searched
Behar, M.; Ene Metspalu, Toomas Kivisild, Alessandro Achilli, Yarin Hadid, Shay Tzur, Luisa Pereira, Antonio Amorim, Lluı's Quintana-Murci, Kari Majamaa, Corinna Herrnstadt, Neil Howell, Oleg Balanovsky, Ildus Kutuev, Andrey Pshenichnov, , Batsheva Bonne-Tamir, Antonio Torroni, Richard Villems, and Karl Skorecki (March 2006). "The Matrilineal Ancestry of Ashkenazi Jewry: Portrait of a Recent Founder Event" (PDF). The American Journal of Human Genetics 78
Although Haplogroup K is common throughout western Eurasia, "the observed global pattern of distribution renders very unlikely the possibility that the four aforementioned founder lineages entered the Ashkenazi mtDNA pool via gene flow from a European host population."
4 In addition, Behar et al. have suggested that the rest of Ashkenazi mtDNA is originated from ~150 women, most of those were probably of Middle Eastern origin.
more recent studies point to a significant female founder ancestry deriving from the Middle East. A 2006 study by Behar et based on high-resolution analysis of haplogroup K(mtDNA), suggested that the current Ashkenazi population is descended matrilineally from just four women, or "founder lineages", that were "likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool" originating in the Near East in the first and second centuries CE.
3. A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their host populations in Europe.Nebel concluded that jewish genetics is wey much uniforme and that the level of non israelite contribution to Jews is extremely low in comparation to other nation and their non indigenous genetic makeup
Points in which Jewish groups differ is largely in the source and proportion of genetic contribution from host populations. The proportion of male indigenous European genetic admixture in Ashkenazi Jews amounts to around 0.5% per generation over an estimated 80 generations, and a total admixture estimate "very similar to Motulsky's average estimate of 12.5%. More recent study estimates an even lower European male contribution, and that only 5%-8% of the Ashkenazi gene pool is of European origin.
Hammer et al. found that the Y chromosome of some Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews contained mutations that are also common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population. This suggested that the male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to the Middle East. The proportion of male genetic admixture in Ashkenazi Jews amounts to less than 0.5% per generation over an estimated 80 generations, with " minor contribution of European Y chromosomes to the Ashkenazim
Efforts to identify the origins of Jews through DNA analysis began in the 1990s. Like most DNA studies of human migration patterns, these studies have focused on two segments of the human genome, the Y chromosome, and the mitochondrial genome . Both segments are unaffected by recombination. Thus, they provide an indicator of paternal and maternal origins, respectively.
2A study of haplotypes of the Y chromosome, published in 2000, addressed the paternal origins of Ashkenazi Jews
Read "The Invention of the Jewish People" it debunks all your fake history.
200 years the Christian archaeologists digging up the whole Middle East, they haven't found any proof of the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt, Hebrew Slaves or the Ten Plagues. NONE!!! And this from a nation of people who wrote EVERYTHING down in stone!! Jerusalem appears to have been abandoned between 1000 BCE and 900 BCE, the traditional dates for the united kingdom under David and Solomon. Cont..
@abumiz Now I will deal with your another pathetic claime "Jerusalem appears to have been abandoned between 1000 BCE and 900 BCE,"
There were 2 ancient Jewish statehood.Judean-israelite from 10 century B.CE to 6th century B.CE and Hashmonean-from 2 century B.CE to 1 century A.CE.There are tens of thousands of archeological findings about both Israelite and Hashmonean Jewish state so I will focus now on "abandoned Jerusalem'' from 10th-9th century B.CE
Large Stone Structure-The palace of King David.The Large Stone Structure is the name given to the remains of a large public building in the City of David neighborhood of central Jerusalem, south of the Old City, dated to 10th to 9th century BCE.
Stepped Stone Structure an Israelite royal palace in use from the tenth century until 586 BCE
The 10th-century city wall is an ancient fortification excavated in 2010 in the City of David by archaeologist Eilat Mazar who it dates to the late 10th-century BCE the time of King Solomon
No sign of magnificent palaces or great states has been found in the archeology of this period, and the Assyrian tablets, which recorded even minor events throughout the Middle East, such as the actions of Arab queens, don’t know about any great kingdom of David and Solomon in geographical Palestine. Archeology does not show the existence of a Jewish kingdom or kingdoms in the so-called First Temple Period. Most archeologists agree about your myths are just legends for kids.
So Jerusalem was not ‘the city of David,’ since there was no city when he is said to have lived. No sign of magnificent palaces or great states has been found in the archeology of this period, and the Assyrian tablets, which recorded even minor events throughout the Middle East, such as the actions of Arab queens, don’t know about any great kingdom of David and Solomon in geographical Palestine.
@Tomislavv2 Good luck with your Islamophobic logic. There no a single idea in Islam wasn't rooted in the old Testament, the new one, or both. Do you some quotes from your holy books?!! People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, singling out one religion while hiding behind other is a complete hypocrisy and not unusual among religious, and fascist racist freaks!
An apartheid supporter like you want to be in his or her "holy land" while attacking other religions. What a joke.
I will show you here how you are wrong with anything you said.I will start with introducing myself(I am a native of Jerusalem a fluent Arabic speaker and a 100% secular person)I do not justify any teaching which promotes hate,including Jewish or Christian,however deeds and not taughts are what matter.Jews did never inforced state sponsored pedophilia,child marriges,amputations,mutilations,cuting of eyes and noses,behadings,religious rape it was not just not wrriten it wasnt ever done!
Now I will start with genetics.I will show you that the Israelite origin of all Jews is proven by science.Leter I will show you the archeological findings from David's Jerusalem and I will also show you the origin of Khazars.Shlomo Sand is not a scientist neighter has any credibility in Jewish history(he is a profesor of Cinema history) nor he is a genetist.What genetic studies have proved is that Sand is just a pathetic man who tried despertly to earn more many.
Only racist would insist on fake data to prove your "race purity".
Jerusalem not only was not being built by the likely then non-existent “Jewish people” in 1000 BCE, but Jerusalem probably was not even inhabited at that point in history. Jerusalem appears to have been abandoned between 1000 BCE and 900 BCE, the traditional dates for the united kingdom under David and Solomon. So Jerusalem was not ‘the city of David,’ since there was no city when he is said to have lived. Cont..
@abumiz For the Y-chromosome, all Jewish groups, except for the Ethiopians, are closely related to each other. They do not differ significantly from Samaritans (0.041) and Druze (0.033), but are different from Palestinians (0.163), Africans (0.219), and Europeans (0.111) (Table 4). Nevertheless, the data in Tables 3 and 4 indicate that the Samaritan and Jewish Y-chromosomes have a much greater affinity than do those of the Samaritans and their longtime geographical neighbors, the Palestinians.
These data were compared with data from 583 Ashkenazi Jews. Abstract: The level of Israelite ogenes of Jews are abowe 90%
Michael F. Seldin, Russell Shigeta, Pablo Villoslada, Carlo Selmi, Jaakko Tuomilehto, Gabriel Silva, John W. Belmont, Lars Klareskog, and Peter K. Gregersen. "European Population Substructure: Clustering of Northern and Southern Populations." Public Library of Science Genetics (PLoS Genetics) 2(9) (September 2006). Abstra
@abumiz Doron M. Behar, Ene Metspalu, Toomas Kivisild, Saharon Rosset, Shay Tzur, Yarin Hadid, Guennady Yudkovsky, Dror Rosengarten, Luisa Pereira, Antonio Amorim, Ildus Kutuev, David Gurwitz, Batsheva Bonne-Tamir, Richard Villems, and Karl Skorecki. "Counting the Founders: The Matrilineal Genetic Ancestry of the Jewish Diaspora." PLoS ONE 3:4 (April 30, 2008): e2062. (mirror) 1142 mtDNA samples were gathered from Jews of non-Ashkenazi origin (including
@abumiz . In fact, the Palestinians and Syrians were so close to the Jews in genetic characteristics that they 'mapped within the central cluster of Jewish populations.'"
7. Carmelli, D. and Cavalli-Sforza, L.L. The genetic origin of the Jews: A multi-variate approach. Hum. Biol., 51:41-61. 1979.
8. Hammer, M.F. et al. [12 authors]. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes. Proceedings National Academy Sciences USA
@abumiz The results showed, first of all, that 'Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level.' Furthermore, the genetic characteristics of Jews were shown to be distinctly different from (non-Jewish) Europeans, suggesting that very little admixture occurred between Jews and Europeans, even after about 80 generations of Jews in Europe..
in a very recent research article, widely reported in the press, in which the genetics of different ME populations were studied The research involved direct DNA analysis of the Y chromosome, which is found only in males and is passed down from father to son. Seven different Jewish groups from communities in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East were compared to various non-Jewish populations from those areas.
"Based on earlier studies using classical genetic methods, Cavalli-Sforza et al. came to the conclusion 'that Jews have maintained considerable genetic similarity among themselves and with people from the Middle East, with whom they have common origins.' Evidence for the latter concept was very convincingly made and extended by an international team of scientists [Hammer et al.]
Dr. Hammer said the finding accorded with the hypothesis that Roman Jews were the ancestors of the Ashkenazis. Despite the Ashkenazi Jews' long residence in Europe, their Y signature has remained distinct from that of non-Jewish Europeans."
Joel J. Elias. "The Genetics of Modern Assyrians and their Relationship to Other People of the Middle East." Assyrian Health Network (July 20, 2000). Excerpts:
The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism.
@abumiz The analysis provides genetic witness that these communities have, to a remarkable extent, retained their biological identity separate from their host populations, evidence of relatively little intermarriage or conversion into Judaism over the centuries..
Dr Mark Jobling of Leicester University, UK, one of the authors of the new study, told the BBC: 'The kind of DNA we have used to analyse this question is the human Y chromosome. The fact that we don't see it [signals of genetic mixture
between Jews and non-Jews] suggests that after the Diaspora these populations really have managed to maintain their Jewish heritage."
Nicholas Wade. "Y Chromosome Bears Witness to Story of the Jewish Diaspora." The New York Times (May 9, 2000): F4 (col. 1).
The study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, found that Jewish men shared a common set of genetic signatures with non-Jews from the Middle East, including Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese. These signatures were significantly different from non-Jewish men outside of the Middle East. This means Jews and Arabs have more in common with each other, genetically speaking, than they do with any of the wider communities in which they might live
van Oransky. "Tracing Mideast Roots Back to Isaac and Ishmael: Study of Y Chromosome Suggests a Common Ancestry for Jews and Arabs." The Forward (May 19, 2000). Excerpts:
". Follow-up studies are already being planned. Dr. Ostrer is hoping to collect genetic information from 1000 Askenazi Jews to study migrational patterns across Europe. Dr. Hammer said he will study the D
Hillary Mayell. "Genetic Link Established Between Jews and Arabs." National Geographic News
''there is no doubt of any Israelite origin of Jews.
The summary of all studies carried out till today copy/paste
# The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), and most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite. The Israelite haplotypes fall into Y-DNA haplogroups J and E.
There is no doubt in any scientific circle that today jews are representing the main stream of jewish israelite population that lived in the ancient Israel
Prof Behar found in 2006 and 2008 studies that Jews are maternaly decendans of midle east Israelites (whic is uniqe as such level of inharited decendancy is not existing enywhere in any nation) Behar as
@abumiz THE ISRAELITE ORIGIN is one of the highest procentage of genetcal uniformity and ancestors genes hereditament among any nation worldvide. Knowing the makeup of Israeli population (mizrachi majority and askhenazi minority we can say that Israeli Jews are absolutely Israelites today.
1 The ahaaron haplotype is today videly used as a model of semitic origin marker by all scientist
The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrahim (Middle Eastern Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), and most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite. The Israelite haplotypes fall into Y-DNA haplogroups J E and K.
Ashkenazim also descend, in a WERY small way, from European peoples
@abumiz Hammer, M. F.; A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonné-Tamir (May 9 2000). "Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 97: 6769. doi:10.1073/pnas.100115997.
Just to be clear THIS PROCENTAGE IS EXTREMLY LOW in comparation with other nations/
Hamer pointed out that it can be about5-12% of genetic pole of askhenazim and about 2% of other Jews Nebel belived that this procentage is about 8,7% while other scientists agree about 5-12,5% of askenazi jews and abot 7,9-8,2% of owerall jewish population
The proportion of male indigenous European genetic admixture in Ashkenazi Jews amounts to around 0.5% per generation over an estimated 80 generations, and a total admixture estimate "very similar to Motulsky's average estimate of 12.5%."
non Israelite contribution to askhenazi jews. There is no jewish race. Showing all the unbeatebale evidence of Israelite Ashkenazi and sepharadic which had less intermarriage than most of other europen nations we must also stress that there is a wey small but existing non jewish contribution in nowdays Ashkenazim
The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrahim (Middle Eastern Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), and most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite
The scientists estimated the date of the original priest based on genetic mutations, which indicated that the priest lived roughly 106 generations ago, between 2,650 and 3,180 years ago depending whether one counts a generation as 25 or 30 years,, This mutations in DNA is used nowdays as exclusive Israelite base for comperation with other ethnic groups.
• Karl Skorecki, Sara Selig, Shraga Blazer, Bruce Rappaport, Robert Bradman, Neil Bradman, .familytreedna(.)com/nature97385.html(.)
DNA analysis further determined that modern Jews of the priesthood tribe — "Kohanim" — share a common ancestor dating back about 3,000 years. This result is consistent for all Jewish populations around the world. The researchers estimated that the most recent common ancestor of modern Kohanim lived between 1000 BCE (roughly the time of the Biblical Exodus) and 586 BCE, when the Babylonians destroyed the First Temple. They found similar results analyzing DNA from Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews
Research in Ashkenazi Jews has suggested that, in addition to the male founders, significant female founder ancestry also derive from the Middle East, with the current Ashkenazi population descended matrilineally from just four women, or "founder lineages", that were "likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool" originating in the Near East in the first and second centuries CE
Wade, Nicholas (January 14 2006). "New Light on Origins of Ashkenazi in Europe". The New York Times.
@abumiz nytimes(.)com/2006/01/14/science/14gene.html?_r=1&oref=slogin(.) Retrieved on 2006-05-24.
Moreover, DNA tests have demonstrated substantially less inter-marriage in most of the various Jewish ethnic divisions over the last 3,000 years than in other populations.
A study published by the National Academy of Sciences found that "the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common ME ancestral population", and that Jewish communities have remained isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora Researchers expressed surprise at the remarkable genetic uniformity they found among modern Jews, no matter where the diaspora has become dispersed around the world
So finally-for now.You are mixing small amouts of ''facts'' with big amounts of Islamofascist propaganda.as I showed bellow there is a scientific prove-which cant be chalanged about Israelite origin of all Jew.Yes the king David Jeerusalem was discovered in last few years in all of its glory and magnificance and yes the Biblical story of Exodus may newer happened acording to modern archeology.However this do not play into your hands.Jews were the natives of Israel from the begining of time
And finally, I'll repeat to you, thug what I said before: I leave religions to stupid like you. Your are a religious freak who is attacking other religions and this should say enough who you are. also apartheid supporter and racist religious freak like you has nothing to say about science, which debunked all your myths and lies, and Nazis before you used similar kind of science and fake data from cheap racists scientists.
To whom people should believe?To the brainwashed Islamofascist Abu who is still unable to produce a single reference to confront the enourmous number of evidences posted here or to the world leading scientific institutions and leading genetists whose findings are studied accepted and teached from Oxford Cambrigde to Yale?Abumiz you just show that you are a pathetic Islamist with Taliban level of knowledge who is unable to confront scientific facts due to his personal cultic obsesions
You can label me as much as you want,yet it does not mean anything to me,because withouth your Islamofascist fanatism you are unable to show anything scientific to confront evidences you have benn shown here.Brainwashed Muslim fanatics like you are those who amputate,mutilate,behade and stone to death,those who belive in science.The only religion I belive is science and today you will continue to be devasted by science.I will post archeological findings about the glory of ancient Israel
@Tomislavv Stupid, keep your Islamophobia and your "ancient Israel" to your hasbara office. You are in the same hole but you dare to call me "brainwashed Muslim". Dumb do you understand ENGLISH? I leave all religions to simple minded like you. But you, a hypocrite who thinks that his god is right and others are the enemies as any religious freak with an imaginary friend up in the sky. Go to your hole, your apartheid stinks and people started to talk about it and your propaganda won't stop them.
Arch of Titus - (c. 82 AD) relief shows spoils from the sack of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AD. Depicted are the menorah and trumpets, (see: Judaea Capta coinage)
Babylonian Chronicles (c. 747 BC - 247 BC) - dealing with Nebuchadnezzar's siege of Jerusalem, etc. (see Siege of Jerusalem (587 BC), Zedekiah and Book of Kings, Book of Jeremiah, Lamentations.) Balaam inscription (c. 840-760 BC) 9th or 8th century BC inscription about a prophet named Balaam (cf. the Book of Numbers)
Biblical period ostraca (broken pottery used for writing brief notes, the ancient equivalent of notepaper) are relatively common in archaeological digs. One ostracon, found at Elah, may contain the earliest known example of Hebrew.Bubastis portal - showing a series of inscriptions recounting pharaoh Shishaq's invasion of Judah and Israel in 925 BC, located outside the Temple of Amun at Karnak.(1 Kings 14:25; 2 Chronicles 12:1-12
The Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III (c. 858-824 BC) - depicts either Jehu son of Omri (a king of Israel mentioned in 2 Kings), or Jehu's ambassador, paying homage to Assyrian king Shalmaneser III (c.825 BC); an early, possibly the earliest, surviving picture of an Israelite. The inscription identifies "the tribute of Jehu, son of Omri: I received from him silver, gold, a golden bowl, a golden vase with pointed bottom, golden tumblers, golden buckets, tin, a staff for a king [and] spears."
@abumiz Bullae (c.715 – 687 BC or 716 – 687 BC) (clay roundels impressed with a personal seal identifying the owner of an object, the author of a document, etc) are, like ostraka, relatively common, both in digs and on the antiquities market. The identification of individuals named in bullae with equivalent names from the Bible is difficult, but identifications have been made with king Hezekiah and his servants (עבדים avadim in Hebrew)
Bulla of Jehucal - son of Shelemiah, son of Shevi. This person seems to be mentioned (twice) in the Book of Jeremiah who thus presumably lived in the late 7th century BC (i.e. at about the same time as Jeremiah). (see Large Stone Structure for discovery) (see also Book of Jeremiah). Bulla of Shaphan (r. 609-598 BC.) - possible link to a figure during the reign of Jehoiakim Bulla of Gedalyahu Ben Immer Ha-Cohen described in the Bible [Jeremiah 20:1] as a priest and temple officia
@abumiz Cave of the Patriarchs - The compound, located in the ancient city of Hebron, is the second holiest site for Jews (after the Temple Mount in Jerusalem) : (1) Abraham and Sarah; (2) Isaac and Rebekah; (3) Jacob and Leah.# Cylinder of Cyrus (c. 559 BC-530 BC) - regarding King Cyrus's treatment of religion, which is significant to the books of Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah. Cylinder of Nabonidus (555-539 BC) - proves Belshazzar's existence.
Ekron dedicatory inscription (7th century BC) - a dedicatory inscription of the seventh-century king of Ekron, Achish. The inscription states "This temple was built by 'Akish, son of Padi, son of Yasid, son of Ada, son of Ya'ir, ruler of Ekron.Gezer calendar (10th century BC) - calendar from the Biblical city of Gezer. It is one of the oldest known examples of Hebrew writing.
Hezekiah's tunnel (c. 701 BC) - a tunnel created by King Hezekiah in anticipation of an Assyrian invasion. From National Geographic: "The tunnel, which is about 500 meters (550 yards) long, brings water from the Gihon Springs [sic], located some 300 meters (330 yards) outside the walls of old Jerusalem, to the Siloan Pool [sic] inside the ancient city. It was built to protect the city's water supply during an Assyrian siege".[
Jehoiachin's Rations Tablets (6th century BC) - date from the and describe the rations set aside for a royal captive identified with Jehoiachin, king of Judah (Cf. 2 Kings 24:12,15–6; 25:27–30; 2 Chronicles 36:9–10; Jeremiah 22:24–6; 29:2; 52:31–4; Ezekiel 17:12)
King Ahaz's Seal (732 to 716 BC) - Ahaz was a king of Judah but "did not do what was right in the sight of the Lord his God, as his ancestor David had done" (2 Kings 16:2; 2 Chronicles 28:1). He worshiped idols and followed pagan practices. "He even made his son pass through fire, according to the abominable practices of the nations" (2 Kings 16:3). Ahaz was the son and successor of Jotham.
Khirbet Qeiyafa pottery sherd - (10th Century BC) early Hebrew inscription dates from the reign of King David and contains lines "similar to some Biblical scriptures, such as Isaiah 1:17, Psalms 72:3, and Exodus 23:3. Was discovered in excavations near Israel's Elah valle
Khirbet Qeiyafa pottery 1 you shall not do [it], but worship the [Lord]. 2 Judge the sla[ve] and the wid[ow] / Judge the orph[an] 3 [and] the stranger. [Pl]ead for the infant / plead for the po[or and] 4 the widow. Rehabilitate [the poor] at the hands of the king of Israel. 5 Protect the po[or and] the slave / [supp]ort the stranger.
Kurkh Monolith (c. 859-824 BC) - names King Ahab of Israel, erected by Shalmaneser III to commemorate the Battle of Karkar, which Ahab participated in along with many other regional leaders.Lachish letters - letters written in carbon ink by Hoshaiah, a military officer stationed near Jerusalem, to Joash the commanding officer at Lachish during the last years of Jeremiah during Zedekiah’s reign Lachish fell soon after, two years before the fall of Jerusalem
# Lachish relief - portion of the Sennacherib relief, which depicts captives from Judah being led into captivity after the fall of Lachish in 701 BC [20]
Law tablets - ancient Near East legal tablets: Code of Hammurabi, Laws of Eshnunna, the Code of Ur-Nammu, king of Ur (ca. 2050 BC), the Laws of Eshnunna (ca. 1930 BC) and the codex of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin (ca. 1870 BC). Later codes than Hammurabi's include the Code of the Nesilim Hittite laws, the Assyrian laws, and Mosaic Law / Ten Commandments. (see Cuneiform law).List of seals and ostracon w/ photographs
@abumiz Mesha stele (also called the Moabite stone) (c.850 BC) - a Transjordan stele describing the victories of Moabite king Mesha over the Kingdom of Israel. French scholar André Lemaire suggested that line 31 of the Stele bears the phrase "the house of David"
# Midianite pottery - The Biblical account states that Midian was where Moses spent the 40 years between the time that he fled Egypt after killing an Egyptian who had been beating a Hebrew and his return to lead the Israelites
@abumiz Seal of Jehucal - Jehucal or Jucal is mentioned in chapters 37 and 38 of the Book of Jeremiah where King Zedekiah sends Jehucal son of Shelemiah and the priest Zephaniah son of Maaseiah to the prophet Jeremiah saying `Please pray for us to the Lord our God` (Chapter 38 verse 3).`Please pray for us to the Lord our God`
@abumiz Second Temple Inscription - inscription from Herod's Temple, late 1st century BC. It warns gentiles to refrain from entering the Temple enclosure, on pain of death.
# Second Temple Stone - A stone (2.43x1 meters) with Hebrew language inscription "To the Trumpeting Place" excavated by B. Mazar at the southern foot of the Temple Mount. It iwas a part of the Second Temple.Shebna's lintel inscription - found over the doorway of a tomb, has been ascribed to Hezekiah's comptroller Shebna.
@abumiz Stele of Zakkur - mentions Hazael king of Aram.
Staircase that may have led up to the Temple * Stepped Stone Structure - has been suggested as being Jebusite, the Millo, or part of the Large Stone Structure, which was being part of King David's palace
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"What's the difference between a Jew and a pizza?
Pizzas don't scream in the oven."
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"My grandfather died in Auschwitz, he fell out of the sniper watchtower after he got drunk.
He was drunk because he was celebrating - he broke his world record of shooting 78 Jews trying to run away.
NEVER AGAIN! Less alcohol."
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"Islam: What the West needs to know" (full documentary)
Watch it.
RonaldPaulstein 3 days ago
Love this video - especially the complete censorship of Arab people living in Palestine - who owned over 90% of the land, and were the majority population. Expert propaganda, well done.
superhamzah85 8 months ago
@superhamzah85
Over 75% of the land in mandatory Palestine was state ovned and during Turkish time this land was known as "the lands of Ottoman crown'' So,the Arabs who after 1948 started to claimed to be "Palestinians'' did not ovned 90% of any land.Contrary to more than 1 000 000 Jews who were expelled from all Arabic states and whose land(4,5 time the seize of Israel) was robbed,stolen with all of their properties
Tomislavv2 8 months ago
@Tomislavv2
Yes, Palestine was empty, the Arabs expelled themselves, and the Jews are direct descendents of land owners thousands of years ago.
I know I know - it helps you sleep better - but I don't care about your delusions that get you through life.
superhamzah85 4 days ago
@superhamzah85
The only lie you have said is when you called the Arabs of Palestine, palestinians. Palestine is a Hebrew word,that is how ancient Israelis called a Non Semitic Greek people the kafftors,known by their Hebrew name the philistines. The land of Israel was empty until 1800s having less than 200 000 inh. of 26 different ethnic groups or 5% of its I century Jewish population or 2% of its current population.Than the Arab immigration started
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Tomislavv2 3 days ago
@Tomislavv2
I couldn't care less about Israelites or Romans or Celts or Mongols or Vikings when it comes to modern realities.
The Bible is mythology. The facts are this:
People live in a place - other people who don't live in that place, and never have done thinks it belongs to them. This is why Zionism is for cunts.
superhamzah85 3 days ago
@superhamzah85
The fact that the direct Israelite genetic origin of all Jewish population groups have been proved by such objective and measurable science like population genetics is a fact, weather you like it
en(.)wikipedia(.)org/wiki/Jews#Genetic_studies
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Tomislavv2 3 days ago
@Tomislavv2
A damn shame how genetics plays no role whatsoever in human rights. Sorry.
superhamzah85 3 days ago
@Tomislavv2
By the way, not that it matters, but the Haplogroup J is one method for Jewish ancestry, and most people BY FAR with this haplogroup are Arabs, so it's not a Jewish gene at all.
Secondly, other tests compare genes with PALESTINIANS.
All irrelevant though. Unless you're a racist...
superhamzah85 3 days ago
@sup
Do not try to interpret what you do not understand. I am myself a medical doctor and I do understand population genetics, yet I do not take the right to interpret the results of Genetic science differently than the world most famous scientists did. The Israelite Middle Eastern origin of all Jewish groups is a fact,like it or not.Arabs are not natives to the Land of Israel, it was never a "Palestinian state" they came in the same way as they left the Land of Israel.
Tomislavv2 2 days ago
@Tomislavv2
The Middle East is not Israel. 98% of it is not Israel. Your bogus argument doesn't hold much water.
superhamzah85 2 days ago
@superhamzah85
I will paraphrase prof Hammer, who was the director of the team of the National Academy of Science which in late 90s proved the Middle Eastern origin of Ashkenazi Jews. "History and genetics work in hand to hand. When we showed the common origin of all Jews and the Middle Eastern origin of Ashkenazi Jews we have in fact proved the historical narratives of Jewish diaspora. Now, its very easy to put this details in to historical contest.
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Tomislavv2 2 days ago
@Tomislavv2
Why don't you cite research done most recently?
Why do you IGNORE everything else the research says? Like being LEAST DISTANT from Italians?
You ignore it, because it doesn't fit with your agenda. You are least interested in the facts and most interested in Zionist ideology. My agenda is that everyone in history is dead - people alive now are what counts. I couldn't give a fuck about Israelites, they were an ignorant bunch of morons, along with most other people.
superhamzah85 2 days ago
@superhamzah85
99,8% of Middle East not 98% is not Israel. Yet if you do not understand that the Middle Eastern origin of Ashkenazi Jews can not match anything less than Israelite origin you have problem with understanding the basic role of population genetics.Population genetics is above history as it is more objective,however it could give verdicts only if it is put in historical frameworks.
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Tomislavv2 2 days ago
@Tomislavv2
I've read the research, if you wanted to prove Jews were Romans, you CAN. How? By looking at genetic distance between populations - showing Ashkenazis and Italians to be the closest than Ashkenazis and Palestinians or Syrians, second closest being Greeks.
If you wanted to prove they were NOT the ideal Aryan, you can show how far they are from Nordic peoples than other Europeans.
You can prove what you want, depending on your agenda.
superhamzah85 2 days ago
@Tomislavv2
They showed how the Kohanim have a pronouced expression of a particular subgroup, now - if you're an Arab, and wanted to take Israel - you can argue the fact that the vast majority of people with this so called Kohanim gene are in fact Arabs, by a long way.
You can argue that the Jewish conversions in the Caucasus, North Africa and Yemenite traditions actually mix the results to generally the Middle-East.
superhamzah85 2 days ago
@Tomislavv2
You can argue all you want - but the fact remains, you believe one race has rights over another. You're a fucking Nazi, and nothing more.
superhamzah85 2 days ago
@Tomislavv2
Palestinians are not going away - they're there, and in the millions and growing in confidence and increasing world support. The conflict will end when being Jewish is second to being human - you're one of the idiots slowing that down - not speeding it up.
YOU'RE the problem. Hitler had the same problem as you do - Jew first - anything else second. Fuck Godwin, he was a Nazi.
superhamzah85 2 days ago
@Tomislavv2
Israelis are from Israel - Palestinians are from Palestine. You're from wherever you were born and raised. I'm from whereever I was born and raised. One's parents may have been born and raised elsewhere - that's them, not me.
Everything else - is bullshit. The people in Auschwitz were from Germany, Poland France etc. That's why Germany has allowed all GERMAN JEWS to return HOME, that is why THOUSANDS OF ISRAELIS have moved back to Germany.
superhamzah85 2 days ago
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As your name is Islamic, I guess you are a Muslim.
Learn about tthe genetics litle more, read what I will send you and read about the genetic origin of modern Italians. Italians are a mixture of native Europeans and Middle Eastern people who have been integrated to Italians during Roman empire. The closest people to Italians are Greeks and guess who is next? The So called Palestinians. The Jews are closest people to the Tuscan's
cell(.)com/AJHG/retrieve/pii/S0002929707611069
Tomislavv2 2 days ago
@superhamzah
The genetic distance between Jews and Italians is close because of the edition of Tuscan's, Yet this genetic distance is only reflecting autosomal chromosomes. Tuscans are Native Middle Eastern people who are living in Italy. What is first and foremost important in understanding of genetic origin is that ALL JEWISH groups from Morocco to Lithuania have common shared Middle Eastern genetic origin reflecting the unity of Jewish people which was taken with our land,
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Tomislavv2 2 days ago
@superhamzah85
Please do not moralize here about Nazis, because you have Nazi ideas as well. Only a Nazi can favorite a video which calls for the genocide against an entire people "Israel must be wiped off the map" Of course "palestinians" are not going anywhere, there is no people on earth called palestinian and never, ever in history such nation existed.
"Palestinians " are invented people, Arabs who started to use this Hebrew name after 1948 for themselves
Tomislavv2 2 days ago
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@Tomislavv2
Did you read about the suicide bomber that didn't exist, he killed some Jews on a bus. Doesn't matter though - it was just suicide - the Jews blew that bus up, because Palestinians don't exist.
superhamzah85 1 day ago
@Tomislavv2
Using old Golda Meir rhetoric doesn't work - it only gets you thousands of more dead Jews. If that's what you want - then continue denying the rights of people that have more right to the land than you do.
Jewish supremacy, like all supremacies - end in one manner - FAIL.
I LOVE winning - this is why I'm an anti-Zionist :-)
superhamzah85 1 day ago
@Tomislavv2
There was no Jewish exile. Most Jews did not leave Palestine, the Romans have no business nor need to go around every peasant village and expel farmers. They expel only the political class and the influential, not the majority population you ignorant fool.
They stayed, they became mostly Christian, then gradually over time more became Muslims. In the Crusades, they burned the Synagogues in Jerusalem. cont...
superhamzah85 1 day ago
@Tomislavv2
The Palestinians have EMERGED because a map was drawn for a certain people, whoever happened to live in this map, and was not Jewish, was Palestinian, of whatever religion. ZIONISM created Palestinians. If states were created on the basis that the state has existed PRIOR to it's creation - then you're truly mentally fucked.
To illustrate how much of a lunatic you are:
Americans (1776):We want to declare these United States of America.
Britain: America is an invention!
superhamzah85 1 day ago
@superhamzah85
I red Shlomo Sand as I have red Jules Verne. Science fiction is not a science.Nations created in 20th century are invented nations. There is no such ethnic group as Palestinians, as there is no Palestinian history, no Palestinian language, no Palestinian State ot nationality, no Palestinian religion, nor any record that a single person on planet called itself "Palestinian" before 1948, even this name is stolen from Jewish history and has nothing to do with Arabs.
Tomislavv2 1 day ago
@Tomislavv2
Don't care if they call themselves green elf fairies - their home is their home, and NOT yours. Names are of no interest to me.
superhamzah85 1 day ago
@Tomislavv2
Zionism stole from Jewish history more than anything. Zionism is the ideology for thieves, Zionists are expert thieves. Zionists are fraudsters, liars, thieves and cunts.
superhamzah85 1 day ago
@Tomislavv2
Read Shlomo Sand's Invention of the Jewish people, an Israeli historian, and it was a best-seller in Israel.
By the way, Zionism is not about having a homeland, it's not about rights at all. It's about privelege - the privelege of having two homelands, wherever you are now and Israel. That has a price of another people having NO homeland at all.
This is why Zionism is for cunts like you.
superhamzah85 1 day ago
@su
In fact the Arabs who after 1948 took the Hebrew name "Palestinians" have 26 homelands of their own. This number also match the number of countries from where Muslim Arab and non Arab Muslims immigrated to the Land of Israel from 1800-1948.
Beyond this 26,they have one which is 100% theirs as it was created on the territory of only historic Palestine that ever existed, namely the Mandatory Palestine. In 1923 Palestine was divided and Arab Palestine(Jordan) was created
Tomislavv2 1 day ago
@Tomislavv2
Your homeland is not your home. You retarded cunt skunk.
superhamzah85 1 day ago
@superhamzah85
Beyond fact that every stone in the Land of Israel has part in Jewish history and that wherever you grab the Land of Israel ancient Israeli artifacts are proving to whom this land belong,Arabs have no any rightful claims to anything in this land. The family of my father are natives to the Land of Israel, despite that I was born in Europe. Arabs who depopulated this land, came from 1800s and the stolen land they took is not their home
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Tomislavv2 1 day ago
@Tomislavv2
The Jews stole Jerusalem, it was a pagan site long before any nonsense about Israel. You have no claim. None.
superhamzah85 1 day ago
@superhamza
As you are a Muslim , please do not teach me what Judaism is or not. Tens of millions of people are dying because of your cult all over world,so moralize to your fellow child rapists,amputator-mutilator, Shariah gangs who amputate, mutilate,honor kill and stone to death innocent woman and children on daily basis.Off course beyond all genocides you are committing against dozens of peoples and nations
The Land of Israel will never fall to the hands of your filthy cult
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Tomislavv2 1 day ago
@Tomislavv2
Islam is an offshoot of Judaism, like Mormonism is an offshoot of Christianity.
I have no religion - and even if I did - YOU STILL HAVE NO RIGHTS OVER ANY LAND BUT THE LAND YOU LEGALLY OWN.
There is no legal ownership of the "land of Israel". No such thing exists, and never has done. Israel never was a recgonized state, Jerusalem was never it's capital.
superhamzah85 1 day ago
@superhamzah85
hamza, You are lying twice, while you are opening your mouth once.
Israel is internationally recognized state, member of UN and all international bodies, existing LEGALLY under all parameters of international low. Islam is crime against humanity Hamza and I have ALL rights on my land by ALL national or international laws.
Tomislavv2 1 day ago
@Tomislavv2
Israel is a state, the "land of Israel" is a myth. There is only land, and that region is not Jewish. Why do you find this difficult for your brain to understand?
There is no Jewish state, there is an Israel - which is for people born within it's borders. Not for David Abrahamfitzsteinberg from New York.
Grow up, child.
superhamzah85 1 day ago
@hamza
There is Jewish state as 80% of its population is Jewish.Its not on you, nor on any Muslim, Nazi or anyone beyond the people of Israel to decide how my country will look like. Like it or not its simply not your business. Israel is a sovereign state and only its people will decide how it will look like, and what will be the laws of OUR country.
The time when our enemies decided on our faith is gone. We have our people and no one beyond us, will decide about our state.
Tomislavv2 23 hours ago
@Tomislavv2
The people there will decide? Arabs never had that right - this is why they will get it back - they COULDN'T decide, they had it decided for them by Austrians (Herzl) and Poles (Gurion) - people who have absolutely nothing to do with the Middle-East. Nothing whatsoever.
superhamzah85 23 hours ago
@superhamzah85
"your profits from genocide are running out fast"
Your miserable comments further expose the level of shameless, brainless state of mind of you Muslims and Nazis. Israel was not created out of sympathy, as nothing in world was achieved because of love towards anyone including Jews. Israel was created on the blood of tens of thousands of our sons and daughters and because of power, straight and will of both homeland and diaspora Israel
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Tomislavv2 23 hours ago
@Tomislavv2
No it was created because Britain gave you permission. Without this, there is no Zionism. Dumbass.
superhamzah85 23 hours ago
@Tomislavv2
Israel only exists because people are banned from going back to their villages and towns. Israel only exists because of war crimes - and nothing more.
superhamzah85 23 hours ago
@Tomislavv2
You copy the Nazis by believing some race of people have more right to something than other races.
You love Nazis don't you? You even have the exact same watchtowers as Nazis, Israelis are very very racist.
superhamzah85 23 hours ago
@superhamzah85
After 60 years Israel is one of the most developed nation on earth, a nuclear superpower with one of the strongest army on earth and with more nobel Prize winners per capita than any state. Israel is a modern country, the only secular and democratic country in Middle East where the Arab minority have more rights than Arabs have in any of their 26 states.
As I have said its only upon us to decide how our country will look like and which will be its laws.
part 2
Tomislavv2 23 hours ago
@Tomislavv2
The world hates Israel - the world is not wrong. Here, we told our supermarkets not to sell Israeli fruits, and instead buy Palestinian versions, like Palestinian olive oil.
This is happening in many places, many countries.
We are not wrong - you are - I own you - always.
superhamzah85 23 hours ago
@s
In fact the support for Israel is on record high in US.
gallup(.)com/poll/126155/support-israel-near-record-high(.)aspx
Israel is among the most popular countries among US citizens
jewishnews(.)sharepoint(.)com/Pages/16436(.)aspx
Europe is slowly dying out of Islamic colonization, yet the antiislamic resistance is growing there rapidly.Geert is the most popular politician in Netherlands and all projections are that resistance toward Islamic occupation will explode soon
Tomislavv2 22 hours ago
@Tomislavv2
Zionism is dead.
superhamzah85 21 hours ago
@Tomislavv2
Once there was an Israeli student visiting here, I have an air rifle - so I shot him like he just shot some Arabs after his miliary service - he cried like a good little Jew. Then I broke his nose.
superhamzah85 23 hours ago
@s
the fact that you are able to harm an innocent student to whom you do not know anything just shows what kind of person you Muslims are. You are hurting innocent people, killing children in homicide-suicide attacks in schools, kindergartens and buses. Killing innocents and hurting those who don't adhere to your fascist cult is in your blood. Yet believe me if you encounter me in one of your street attacks on innocents,, you will be sent to wheelchair to the rest of your life,
Tomislavv2 22 hours ago
@Tomislavv2
I'm an atheist, stupid. See? There is a brain drain - twice I've said I have no religion. You really have brain problems, a growing problem in Israel.
LOL - Jews only win fights if they are at a far distance with weapons - in person you are weak cowards. I can handle a whole synagogue on my own.
superhamzah85 21 hours ago
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@Tomislavv2
I'm an atheist, stupid. See? There is a brain drain - twice I've said I have no religion. You really have brain problems, a growing problem in Israel.
LOL - Jews only win fights if they are at a far distance with weapons - in person you are weak cowards. I can handle a whole synagogue on my own.
superhamzah85 21 hours ago
@Tomislavv2
There's a synagoge here, at least once a week I piss on the door handle at night, they never know and use it without washing it.
superhamzah85 21 hours ago
@Tomislavv2
My grandfather died in Auschwitz, he fell out of the sniper watchtower after he got drunk.
He was drunk because he was celebrating - he broke his world record of shooting 78 Jews trying to run away.
NEVER AGAIN! Less alcohol.
superhamzah85 21 hours ago
@Hamza
its enough to see all Islamic shits on your channel, to expose your nature and everything will be clear
With this comments you didn't humiliate the Jews, you have humiliated yourself. Only idiots can make fun from genocide of millions of woman, children and man.However this comments reviles the moral bankruptcy of Islamofascist like you Hamaza,. Its very important for us Jews and Zionists never to fall down to your level of barbarism,primitiveness and sickens.
Tomislavv2 20 hours ago
@Tomislavv2
What's the difference between a Jew and a pizza?
Pizzas don't scream in the oven.
superhamzah85 19 hours ago
@superhamzah85
Please continue.
I will not further endanger your exposition and your disclosure with my worthless replays. You did a great job by showing what kind of subhumans your kind is.
As you get owned by your idiocy I think I can finish my conversation with you and ad you to the long list of owned stupid Muzzies.
Tomislavv2 19 hours ago
@Tomislavv2
You have been owned.
superhamzah85 14 hours ago
@Tomislavv2
You have a Jewish state because everyone felt sorry for you - that is ending - your profits from genocide are running out fast. :-)
superhamzah85 23 hours ago
@Tomislavv2
Middle-Eastern Jews moved to Israel mostly because of economics - the same reason hundreds of thousands are moving FROM Israel to the United States or Europe - economics. It's why Palestinians work in Israel - it's how most people function. Grow up, live in the real world - and get used to the reality that most people don't give a shit about Haplogroups and dead languages.
superhamzah85 2 days ago
@superham
Dude you have lied.
Over 1 000 000 Jews have been expelled from all Middle Eastern countries and this native Middle Eastern Jews were robbed striped from all property. The property that was stolen from them, worth 60 times more that Arabs lost in the war, that they have started in 1948 after refusing the division of what has left from British Mandatory Palestine.
This Jews who are today 50,2% of Israelis never waged war against anyone, and where left without anything
p1
Tomislavv2 2 days ago
@s
Off course population genetics can not prove the street and the address of your ancestors.
Yet, not to much intelligence needed to understand that Ashkenazi J. are not from Dubai,or Oman. There is just one land on Middle East where every geographical location bares Hebrew name(even in Arabic). Only one land which is the cradle of Hebrew language and culture, only one land of Israelite cities and villages and as it is written on 3200 years old Merneptah Stele its called Israel
Tomislavv2 2 days ago
@Tomislavv2
Nobody is from Dubai, it's 50 years old.
Hebrew is an offshoot of Phoenecian, and the culture itself is more Babylonian and Sumerian. Genesis plagiarizes heavily from the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Enuma Elish, Iraqi documents. Considering both the narrative of "promised land" in the texts and modern comparitive research - you should move to Iraq.
superhamzah85 2 days ago
@Tomislavv2
I live in Britain - 7% of white Britons show recent origins in the middle-east - what rights do they have in the middle-east? NONE. Enough with the bogus and laughable arguments that Zionists make and no one else. Why? Because you KNOW you're stealing. All arguments that try and justify theft are CRAZY - you have lost your mind trying to back a lunatic ideology.
superhamzah85 2 days ago
@Tomislavv2
People move to places for mostly one reason - economics. The history of the Middle-East is a history of fertile land erosion and water. Everything else is bullshit - gods telling people how evil others are = "they've got more water and better fruit, let's take it."
It was true then and true now - look at the lunatic settler movement burning Palestinian produce, shooting farmers and harassing harvesters. They are scum of the earth.
superhamzah85 2 days ago
@Tomislavv2
You interpet "Middle-East" to mean a few hundred square miles on the eastern Mediterenean. So don't bullshit me with the "I do not take the right to interpret."
You're a joke.
superhamzah85 2 days ago
@superhamzah85 They lived in 90%, they had no political or national control, but then we moved them and so now they don't live there anymore.
The British Government and the United Nations agreed with our claim, if you have a problem take it up with them, but don't expect Israel to willingly sacrafice itself for the good of the Palestinians.
Why don't they just live in Israel with us? There are millions of Arab-Muslims who live peacefully in Israel today.
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@AllTehPrettyHorses
Yes I know - that's why I have no problem anymore - in 50 years - it will simply revert back to what it was - an Arab land, you need massive military funding, and a superpower backing you to make a land something it is not - Jewish. It was French for a century, Turkish for a few centuries, currently it's Zionist for 60 years so far. It will simpyl be Palestinian in the end.
superhamzah85 4 days ago
The hand of Yahuah refounded Yisrael and then brought all of Yerushalayim back to the Hebrews. The First Beast will make a peace deal with Israel and cause people to receive his Mark where without it one cannot buy nor sell. In the new Jewish Temple the First Beast will put an image that will cause the abomonation that causes desolation of which will cause all who reject the Mark of the Beast to be killed (beheaded). Only those who endure to the end shall be saved. Thanks for listening, 777denny
777denny1 9 months ago
first jerusalem is not yours its our, second i can give you the key just leave our land
50 years is enough and 50 years dosnt mean that you become a real country we are here since thousands years just check before 100 years you will find only 3000 of our real friends jews were there and we were 700000 that is the truth.
my advice to go back to europ or usa. now or later that day will come.
braveheartzoom 9 months ago
God gave the land of Israel for Israelis
No country or individual can not take one meter from Israel
All believe in God have to support God and his desire
That Israel's people will live in their homeland
hezi0509 10 months ago
@hezi0509 kill the world for Israel! no. get out.
x69Crunchyx 10 months ago
say it like it is...
israelmaven1 1 year ago
Very nicely done. You know it just goes to show that all the Jewish people want is a small country of their own to live in peace and security.
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Its a time to boycot and confront Islamist butchers who are amputating,behading,rapeing,stoning to death woman cuting the eyes and noses of children,mutilating newborn girls in the name of fucking Allah.Inforcing child marriges,Islamic religious pedophilia,genocides against ower 35 nations which killed 3 000 000 inocents in just one decade.
Therfore and for many other reasons boycot/confront Muslims and destroy evil Islam
PS Support and greatings to all antiislamic resistance!
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
These colonial settlers are mixing between Jerusalem, Palestine and Keiv, Ukraine. They need to read about their Khazar history!! But they teach the holy book in their apartheid and keep repeating fabricated myths like exile and exodus!! Most of these colonial settlers says there is no Palestine with a Russian accent, like their new racist foreign minster a bouncer from Moldavia who wants now to evict the native Arabs, he still loyal to his bouncing job but not to Moldavia!!
watch?v=t88I7Ibb1fw
abumiz 1 year ago
@abumiz
Arabs are far from being any sort of natives in the Land of Israel.If you are unable to read genetic science and its leading names (Hammer,Behar,Shen,Molutsky,semino ,Cruciani,Foset,Thomas) than at least read wiki/Jews#Genetic_studies
Khazaric fary tales are scientifically death
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@Tomislavv2
Keep your fake date and cheap scientists to yourself, it is not the first time a racist comes out with some date "prove" the purity of a race or a group. But racist like you have no problem spreading these lies while mixing science and religion. Go back to your holy books which you read as history books.
abumiz 1 year ago
DNA (mtDNA), we show that close to one-half of Ashkenazi Jews, estimated at 8,000,000 people, can be traced back to only four women carrying distinct mtDNAs that are virtually absent in other populations, with the important exception of non Ashkenazi jews We conclude that four founding mtDNAs, Near Eastern ancestry, and can be described as a sovely Israelite mtDNA.This mt DNA was not found in any non jewish or semitic people searched
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
Behar, M.; Ene Metspalu, Toomas Kivisild, Alessandro Achilli, Yarin Hadid, Shay Tzur, Luisa Pereira, Antonio Amorim, Lluı's Quintana-Murci, Kari Majamaa, Corinna Herrnstadt, Neil Howell, Oleg Balanovsky, Ildus Kutuev, Andrey Pshenichnov, , Batsheva Bonne-Tamir, Antonio Torroni, Richard Villems, and Karl Skorecki (March 2006). "The Matrilineal Ancestry of Ashkenazi Jewry: Portrait of a Recent Founder Event" (PDF). The American Journal of Human Genetics 78
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
Although Haplogroup K is common throughout western Eurasia, "the observed global pattern of distribution renders very unlikely the possibility that the four aforementioned founder lineages entered the Ashkenazi mtDNA pool via gene flow from a European host population."
4 In addition, Behar et al. have suggested that the rest of Ashkenazi mtDNA is originated from ~150 women, most of those were probably of Middle Eastern origin.
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
more recent studies point to a significant female founder ancestry deriving from the Middle East. A 2006 study by Behar et based on high-resolution analysis of haplogroup K(mtDNA), suggested that the current Ashkenazi population is descended matrilineally from just four women, or "founder lineages", that were "likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool" originating in the Near East in the first and second centuries CE.
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
3. A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their host populations in Europe.Nebel concluded that jewish genetics is wey much uniforme and that the level of non israelite contribution to Jews is extremely low in comparation to other nation and their non indigenous genetic makeup
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
Points in which Jewish groups differ is largely in the source and proportion of genetic contribution from host populations. The proportion of male indigenous European genetic admixture in Ashkenazi Jews amounts to around 0.5% per generation over an estimated 80 generations, and a total admixture estimate "very similar to Motulsky's average estimate of 12.5%. More recent study estimates an even lower European male contribution, and that only 5%-8% of the Ashkenazi gene pool is of European origin.
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
Hammer et al. found that the Y chromosome of some Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews contained mutations that are also common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population. This suggested that the male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to the Middle East. The proportion of male genetic admixture in Ashkenazi Jews amounts to less than 0.5% per generation over an estimated 80 generations, with " minor contribution of European Y chromosomes to the Ashkenazim
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
Efforts to identify the origins of Jews through DNA analysis began in the 1990s. Like most DNA studies of human migration patterns, these studies have focused on two segments of the human genome, the Y chromosome, and the mitochondrial genome . Both segments are unaffected by recombination. Thus, they provide an indicator of paternal and maternal origins, respectively.
2A study of haplotypes of the Y chromosome, published in 2000, addressed the paternal origins of Ashkenazi Jews
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
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Additional literature
wikipedia(.)org/wiki/Jews#Genetic_studies
familytreedna(.)com/pdf/43026_Doron(.)pdf
ncbi(.)nlm(.)nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1274378/
pnas(.)org/content/97/12/6769(.)full
nature(.c)om/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nature09103(.)html
nytimes(.)com/2000/05/09/science/y-chromosome-bears-witness-to-story-of-the-jewish-diaspora(.)html
ncbi(.)nlm(.)nih(.)gov/pmc/articles/PMC1274378/?tool=pmcentrez
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@Tomislavv2
Read "The Invention of the Jewish People" it debunks all your fake history.
200 years the Christian archaeologists digging up the whole Middle East, they haven't found any proof of the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt, Hebrew Slaves or the Ten Plagues. NONE!!! And this from a nation of people who wrote EVERYTHING down in stone!! Jerusalem appears to have been abandoned between 1000 BCE and 900 BCE, the traditional dates for the united kingdom under David and Solomon. Cont..
abumiz 1 year ago
@abumiz Now I will deal with your another pathetic claime "Jerusalem appears to have been abandoned between 1000 BCE and 900 BCE,"
There were 2 ancient Jewish statehood.Judean-israelite from 10 century B.CE to 6th century B.CE and Hashmonean-from 2 century B.CE to 1 century A.CE.There are tens of thousands of archeological findings about both Israelite and Hashmonean Jewish state so I will focus now on "abandoned Jerusalem'' from 10th-9th century B.CE
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@abumiz nytimes(.)com/2005/08/05/international/middleeast/05jerusalem.html?_r=1&ex=1280894400&en=3c435bc7bd0cd531&ei=5088
wiki/Large_Stone_Structure
Large Stone Structure-The palace of King David.The Large Stone Structure is the name given to the remains of a large public building in the City of David neighborhood of central Jerusalem, south of the Old City, dated to 10th to 9th century BCE.
Stepped Stone Structure an Israelite royal palace in use from the tenth century until 586 BCE
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@abumiz
.dailymail(.)co(.)uk/news/worldnews/article-1252936/Archaeologist-discovers-significant-Jerusalem-city-wall-10th-century-BC(.)html
sciencedaily(.)com/releases/2010/02/100222094757(.)htm
The 10th-century city wall is an ancient fortification excavated in 2010 in the City of David by archaeologist Eilat Mazar who it dates to the late 10th-century BCE the time of King Solomon
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@Tomislavv2
No sign of magnificent palaces or great states has been found in the archeology of this period, and the Assyrian tablets, which recorded even minor events throughout the Middle East, such as the actions of Arab queens, don’t know about any great kingdom of David and Solomon in geographical Palestine. Archeology does not show the existence of a Jewish kingdom or kingdoms in the so-called First Temple Period. Most archeologists agree about your myths are just legends for kids.
abumiz 1 year ago
@Tomislavv2
So Jerusalem was not ‘the city of David,’ since there was no city when he is said to have lived. No sign of magnificent palaces or great states has been found in the archeology of this period, and the Assyrian tablets, which recorded even minor events throughout the Middle East, such as the actions of Arab queens, don’t know about any great kingdom of David and Solomon in geographical Palestine.
abumiz 1 year ago
@Tomislavv2 Good luck with your Islamophobic logic. There no a single idea in Islam wasn't rooted in the old Testament, the new one, or both. Do you some quotes from your holy books?!! People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, singling out one religion while hiding behind other is a complete hypocrisy and not unusual among religious, and fascist racist freaks!
An apartheid supporter like you want to be in his or her "holy land" while attacking other religions. What a joke.
abumiz 1 year ago
@abu
I will show you here how you are wrong with anything you said.I will start with introducing myself(I am a native of Jerusalem a fluent Arabic speaker and a 100% secular person)I do not justify any teaching which promotes hate,including Jewish or Christian,however deeds and not taughts are what matter.Jews did never inforced state sponsored pedophilia,child marriges,amputations,mutilations,cuting of eyes and noses,behadings,religious rape it was not just not wrriten it wasnt ever done!
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@abumiz
Now I will start with genetics.I will show you that the Israelite origin of all Jews is proven by science.Leter I will show you the archeological findings from David's Jerusalem and I will also show you the origin of Khazars.Shlomo Sand is not a scientist neighter has any credibility in Jewish history(he is a profesor of Cinema history) nor he is a genetist.What genetic studies have proved is that Sand is just a pathetic man who tried despertly to earn more many.
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@Tomislavv2
Only racist would insist on fake data to prove your "race purity".
Jerusalem not only was not being built by the likely then non-existent “Jewish people” in 1000 BCE, but Jerusalem probably was not even inhabited at that point in history. Jerusalem appears to have been abandoned between 1000 BCE and 900 BCE, the traditional dates for the united kingdom under David and Solomon. So Jerusalem was not ‘the city of David,’ since there was no city when he is said to have lived. Cont..
abumiz 1 year ago
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@abumiz evolutsioon(.)ut(.)ee/publications/Shen2004(.)pdf
This is wery interesting study because of two reasons
1.Samaritanians are belived to be the true surviving Israelites who still cary the l picture of Israelite people.
Here are the conclusions of Shen et all after comparing Samaritanian Israelites with 11 populational group
''Table 3 presents the pair-wise genetic distances (Fst)
between 11 populations from AMOVA applied to the
Y-chromosomal and mitochondrial data.
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
These data were compared with data from 583 Ashkenazi Jews. Abstract: The level of Israelite ogenes of Jews are abowe 90%
Michael F. Seldin, Russell Shigeta, Pablo Villoslada, Carlo Selmi, Jaakko Tuomilehto, Gabriel Silva, John W. Belmont, Lars Klareskog, and Peter K. Gregersen. "European Population Substructure: Clustering of Northern and Southern Populations." Public Library of Science Genetics (PLoS Genetics) 2(9) (September 2006). Abstra
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@abumiz Doron M. Behar, Ene Metspalu, Toomas Kivisild, Saharon Rosset, Shay Tzur, Yarin Hadid, Guennady Yudkovsky, Dror Rosengarten, Luisa Pereira, Antonio Amorim, Ildus Kutuev, David Gurwitz, Batsheva Bonne-Tamir, Richard Villems, and Karl Skorecki. "Counting the Founders: The Matrilineal Genetic Ancestry of the Jewish Diaspora." PLoS ONE 3:4 (April 30, 2008): e2062. (mirror) 1142 mtDNA samples were gathered from Jews of non-Ashkenazi origin (including
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@abumiz . In fact, the Palestinians and Syrians were so close to the Jews in genetic characteristics that they 'mapped within the central cluster of Jewish populations.'"
7. Carmelli, D. and Cavalli-Sforza, L.L. The genetic origin of the Jews: A multi-variate approach. Hum. Biol., 51:41-61. 1979.
8. Hammer, M.F. et al. [12 authors]. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes. Proceedings National Academy Sciences USA
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@abumiz The results showed, first of all, that 'Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level.' Furthermore, the genetic characteristics of Jews were shown to be distinctly different from (non-Jewish) Europeans, suggesting that very little admixture occurred between Jews and Europeans, even after about 80 generations of Jews in Europe..
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
in a very recent research article, widely reported in the press, in which the genetics of different ME populations were studied The research involved direct DNA analysis of the Y chromosome, which is found only in males and is passed down from father to son. Seven different Jewish groups from communities in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East were compared to various non-Jewish populations from those areas.
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
"Based on earlier studies using classical genetic methods, Cavalli-Sforza et al. came to the conclusion 'that Jews have maintained considerable genetic similarity among themselves and with people from the Middle East, with whom they have common origins.' Evidence for the latter concept was very convincingly made and extended by an international team of scientists [Hammer et al.]
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
Dr. Hammer said the finding accorded with the hypothesis that Roman Jews were the ancestors of the Ashkenazis. Despite the Ashkenazi Jews' long residence in Europe, their Y signature has remained distinct from that of non-Jewish Europeans."
Joel J. Elias. "The Genetics of Modern Assyrians and their Relationship to Other People of the Middle East." Assyrian Health Network (July 20, 2000). Excerpts:
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism.
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@abumiz The analysis provides genetic witness that these communities have, to a remarkable extent, retained their biological identity separate from their host populations, evidence of relatively little intermarriage or conversion into Judaism over the centuries..
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
Dr Mark Jobling of Leicester University, UK, one of the authors of the new study, told the BBC: 'The kind of DNA we have used to analyse this question is the human Y chromosome. The fact that we don't see it [signals of genetic mixture
between Jews and non-Jews] suggests that after the Diaspora these populations really have managed to maintain their Jewish heritage."
Nicholas Wade. "Y Chromosome Bears Witness to Story of the Jewish Diaspora." The New York Times (May 9, 2000): F4 (col. 1).
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
The study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, found that Jewish men shared a common set of genetic signatures with non-Jews from the Middle East, including Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese. These signatures were significantly different from non-Jewish men outside of the Middle East. This means Jews and Arabs have more in common with each other, genetically speaking, than they do with any of the wider communities in which they might live
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
van Oransky. "Tracing Mideast Roots Back to Isaac and Ishmael: Study of Y Chromosome Suggests a Common Ancestry for Jews and Arabs." The Forward (May 19, 2000). Excerpts:
". Follow-up studies are already being planned. Dr. Ostrer is hoping to collect genetic information from 1000 Askenazi Jews to study migrational patterns across Europe. Dr. Hammer said he will study the D
Hillary Mayell. "Genetic Link Established Between Jews and Arabs." National Geographic News
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
Hammer and Thomas concluded that
''there is no doubt of any Israelite origin of Jews.
The summary of all studies carried out till today copy/paste
# The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), and most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite. The Israelite haplotypes fall into Y-DNA haplogroups J and E.
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
There is no doubt in any scientific circle that today jews are representing the main stream of jewish israelite population that lived in the ancient Israel
Prof Behar found in 2006 and 2008 studies that Jews are maternaly decendans of midle east Israelites (whic is uniqe as such level of inharited decendancy is not existing enywhere in any nation) Behar as
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@abumiz THE ISRAELITE ORIGIN is one of the highest procentage of genetcal uniformity and ancestors genes hereditament among any nation worldvide. Knowing the makeup of Israeli population (mizrachi majority and askhenazi minority we can say that Israeli Jews are absolutely Israelites today.
1 The ahaaron haplotype is today videly used as a model of semitic origin marker by all scientist
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@abumiz CONCLUSIONS
The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrahim (Middle Eastern Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), and most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite. The Israelite haplotypes fall into Y-DNA haplogroups J E and K.
Ashkenazim also descend, in a WERY small way, from European peoples
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@abumiz Hammer, M. F.; A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonné-Tamir (May 9 2000). "Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 97: 6769. doi:10.1073/pnas.100115997.
Just to be clear THIS PROCENTAGE IS EXTREMLY LOW in comparation with other nations/
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
Hamer pointed out that it can be about5-12% of genetic pole of askhenazim and about 2% of other Jews Nebel belived that this procentage is about 8,7% while other scientists agree about 5-12,5% of askenazi jews and abot 7,9-8,2% of owerall jewish population
The proportion of male indigenous European genetic admixture in Ashkenazi Jews amounts to around 0.5% per generation over an estimated 80 generations, and a total admixture estimate "very similar to Motulsky's average estimate of 12.5%."
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@abumiz The Israelite haplotypes fall into Y-DNA haplogroups J and E.
The National Academy of Science
simpletoremember(.)com/articles/a/jewish-genetics/
non Israelite contribution to askhenazi jews. There is no jewish race. Showing all the unbeatebale evidence of Israelite Ashkenazi and sepharadic which had less intermarriage than most of other europen nations we must also stress that there is a wey small but existing non jewish contribution in nowdays Ashkenazim
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@abumiz • ^ a b c "Priestly Gene Shared By Widely Dispersed Jews".
aish(.)com/societywork/sciencenature/Jewish_Genes(.)asp
The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrahim (Middle Eastern Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), and most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
The scientists estimated the date of the original priest based on genetic mutations, which indicated that the priest lived roughly 106 generations ago, between 2,650 and 3,180 years ago depending whether one counts a generation as 25 or 30 years,, This mutations in DNA is used nowdays as exclusive Israelite base for comperation with other ethnic groups.
• Karl Skorecki, Sara Selig, Shraga Blazer, Bruce Rappaport, Robert Bradman, Neil Bradman, .familytreedna(.)com/nature97385.html(.)
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
DNA analysis further determined that modern Jews of the priesthood tribe — "Kohanim" — share a common ancestor dating back about 3,000 years. This result is consistent for all Jewish populations around the world. The researchers estimated that the most recent common ancestor of modern Kohanim lived between 1000 BCE (roughly the time of the Biblical Exodus) and 586 BCE, when the Babylonians destroyed the First Temple. They found similar results analyzing DNA from Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
Research in Ashkenazi Jews has suggested that, in addition to the male founders, significant female founder ancestry also derive from the Middle East, with the current Ashkenazi population descended matrilineally from just four women, or "founder lineages", that were "likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool" originating in the Near East in the first and second centuries CE
Wade, Nicholas (January 14 2006). "New Light on Origins of Ashkenazi in Europe". The New York Times.
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@abumiz nytimes(.)com/2006/01/14/science/14gene.html?_r=1&oref=slogin(.) Retrieved on 2006-05-24.
Moreover, DNA tests have demonstrated substantially less inter-marriage in most of the various Jewish ethnic divisions over the last 3,000 years than in other populations.
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A study published by the National Academy of Sciences found that "the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common ME ancestral population", and that Jewish communities have remained isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora Researchers expressed surprise at the remarkable genetic uniformity they found among modern Jews, no matter where the diaspora has become dispersed around the world
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So finally-for now.You are mixing small amouts of ''facts'' with big amounts of Islamofascist propaganda.as I showed bellow there is a scientific prove-which cant be chalanged about Israelite origin of all Jew.Yes the king David Jeerusalem was discovered in last few years in all of its glory and magnificance and yes the Biblical story of Exodus may newer happened acording to modern archeology.However this do not play into your hands.Jews were the natives of Israel from the begining of time
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And finally, I'll repeat to you, thug what I said before: I leave religions to stupid like you. Your are a religious freak who is attacking other religions and this should say enough who you are. also apartheid supporter and racist religious freak like you has nothing to say about science, which debunked all your myths and lies, and Nazis before you used similar kind of science and fake data from cheap racists scientists.
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To whom people should believe?To the brainwashed Islamofascist Abu who is still unable to produce a single reference to confront the enourmous number of evidences posted here or to the world leading scientific institutions and leading genetists whose findings are studied accepted and teached from Oxford Cambrigde to Yale?Abumiz you just show that you are a pathetic Islamist with Taliban level of knowledge who is unable to confront scientific facts due to his personal cultic obsesions
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You can label me as much as you want,yet it does not mean anything to me,because withouth your Islamofascist fanatism you are unable to show anything scientific to confront evidences you have benn shown here.Brainwashed Muslim fanatics like you are those who amputate,mutilate,behade and stone to death,those who belive in science.The only religion I belive is science and today you will continue to be devasted by science.I will post archeological findings about the glory of ancient Israel
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@Tomislavv Stupid, keep your Islamophobia and your "ancient Israel" to your hasbara office. You are in the same hole but you dare to call me "brainwashed Muslim". Dumb do you understand ENGLISH? I leave all religions to simple minded like you. But you, a hypocrite who thinks that his god is right and others are the enemies as any religious freak with an imaginary friend up in the sky. Go to your hole, your apartheid stinks and people started to talk about it and your propaganda won't stop them.
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Arch of Titus - (c. 82 AD) relief shows spoils from the sack of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AD. Depicted are the menorah and trumpets, (see: Judaea Capta coinage)
Babylonian Chronicles (c. 747 BC - 247 BC) - dealing with Nebuchadnezzar's siege of Jerusalem, etc. (see Siege of Jerusalem (587 BC), Zedekiah and Book of Kings, Book of Jeremiah, Lamentations.) Balaam inscription (c. 840-760 BC) 9th or 8th century BC inscription about a prophet named Balaam (cf. the Book of Numbers)
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Biblical period ostraca (broken pottery used for writing brief notes, the ancient equivalent of notepaper) are relatively common in archaeological digs. One ostracon, found at Elah, may contain the earliest known example of Hebrew.Bubastis portal - showing a series of inscriptions recounting pharaoh Shishaq's invasion of Judah and Israel in 925 BC, located outside the Temple of Amun at Karnak.(1 Kings 14:25; 2 Chronicles 12:1-12
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The Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III (c. 858-824 BC) - depicts either Jehu son of Omri (a king of Israel mentioned in 2 Kings), or Jehu's ambassador, paying homage to Assyrian king Shalmaneser III (c.825 BC); an early, possibly the earliest, surviving picture of an Israelite. The inscription identifies "the tribute of Jehu, son of Omri: I received from him silver, gold, a golden bowl, a golden vase with pointed bottom, golden tumblers, golden buckets, tin, a staff for a king [and] spears."
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@abumiz Bullae (c.715 – 687 BC or 716 – 687 BC) (clay roundels impressed with a personal seal identifying the owner of an object, the author of a document, etc) are, like ostraka, relatively common, both in digs and on the antiquities market. The identification of individuals named in bullae with equivalent names from the Bible is difficult, but identifications have been made with king Hezekiah and his servants (עבדים avadim in Hebrew)
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Bulla of Jehucal - son of Shelemiah, son of Shevi. This person seems to be mentioned (twice) in the Book of Jeremiah who thus presumably lived in the late 7th century BC (i.e. at about the same time as Jeremiah). (see Large Stone Structure for discovery) (see also Book of Jeremiah). Bulla of Shaphan (r. 609-598 BC.) - possible link to a figure during the reign of Jehoiakim Bulla of Gedalyahu Ben Immer Ha-Cohen described in the Bible [Jeremiah 20:1] as a priest and temple officia
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@abumiz Cave of the Patriarchs - The compound, located in the ancient city of Hebron, is the second holiest site for Jews (after the Temple Mount in Jerusalem) : (1) Abraham and Sarah; (2) Isaac and Rebekah; (3) Jacob and Leah.# Cylinder of Cyrus (c. 559 BC-530 BC) - regarding King Cyrus's treatment of religion, which is significant to the books of Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah. Cylinder of Nabonidus (555-539 BC) - proves Belshazzar's existence.
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Ekron dedicatory inscription (7th century BC) - a dedicatory inscription of the seventh-century king of Ekron, Achish. The inscription states "This temple was built by 'Akish, son of Padi, son of Yasid, son of Ada, son of Ya'ir, ruler of Ekron.Gezer calendar (10th century BC) - calendar from the Biblical city of Gezer. It is one of the oldest known examples of Hebrew writing.
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Hezekiah's tunnel (c. 701 BC) - a tunnel created by King Hezekiah in anticipation of an Assyrian invasion. From National Geographic: "The tunnel, which is about 500 meters (550 yards) long, brings water from the Gihon Springs [sic], located some 300 meters (330 yards) outside the walls of old Jerusalem, to the Siloan Pool [sic] inside the ancient city. It was built to protect the city's water supply during an Assyrian siege".[
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Jehoiachin's Rations Tablets (6th century BC) - date from the and describe the rations set aside for a royal captive identified with Jehoiachin, king of Judah (Cf. 2 Kings 24:12,15–6; 25:27–30; 2 Chronicles 36:9–10; Jeremiah 22:24–6; 29:2; 52:31–4; Ezekiel 17:12)
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King Ahaz's Seal (732 to 716 BC) - Ahaz was a king of Judah but "did not do what was right in the sight of the Lord his God, as his ancestor David had done" (2 Kings 16:2; 2 Chronicles 28:1). He worshiped idols and followed pagan practices. "He even made his son pass through fire, according to the abominable practices of the nations" (2 Kings 16:3). Ahaz was the son and successor of Jotham.
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Khirbet Qeiyafa pottery sherd - (10th Century BC) early Hebrew inscription dates from the reign of King David and contains lines "similar to some Biblical scriptures, such as Isaiah 1:17, Psalms 72:3, and Exodus 23:3. Was discovered in excavations near Israel's Elah valle
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Khirbet Qeiyafa pottery 1 you shall not do [it], but worship the [Lord]. 2 Judge the sla[ve] and the wid[ow] / Judge the orph[an] 3 [and] the stranger. [Pl]ead for the infant / plead for the po[or and] 4 the widow. Rehabilitate [the poor] at the hands of the king of Israel. 5 Protect the po[or and] the slave / [supp]ort the stranger.
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Kurkh Monolith (c. 859-824 BC) - names King Ahab of Israel, erected by Shalmaneser III to commemorate the Battle of Karkar, which Ahab participated in along with many other regional leaders.Lachish letters - letters written in carbon ink by Hoshaiah, a military officer stationed near Jerusalem, to Joash the commanding officer at Lachish during the last years of Jeremiah during Zedekiah’s reign Lachish fell soon after, two years before the fall of Jerusalem
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# Lachish relief - portion of the Sennacherib relief, which depicts captives from Judah being led into captivity after the fall of Lachish in 701 BC [20]
# Large Stone Structure - KING DAVID'S PALACE
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Law tablets - ancient Near East legal tablets: Code of Hammurabi, Laws of Eshnunna, the Code of Ur-Nammu, king of Ur (ca. 2050 BC), the Laws of Eshnunna (ca. 1930 BC) and the codex of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin (ca. 1870 BC). Later codes than Hammurabi's include the Code of the Nesilim Hittite laws, the Assyrian laws, and Mosaic Law / Ten Commandments. (see Cuneiform law).List of seals and ostracon w/ photographs
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@abumiz LMLK seals on storage jar handles, excavated from strata formed by Sennacherib's invasion during the reign of Hezekiah.[23][24]
# Melcarth/Ben-Hadad stele - William F. Albright identifies Bir-hadad with Ben-hadad I, who was a contemporary of the biblical Asa and Baasha.
# Merneptah Stele (c. 1209/1208 BC).- one of the earliest known references to Israel or to the Israelites.
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@abumiz Mesha stele (also called the Moabite stone) (c.850 BC) - a Transjordan stele describing the victories of Moabite king Mesha over the Kingdom of Israel. French scholar André Lemaire suggested that line 31 of the Stele bears the phrase "the house of David"
# Midianite pottery - The Biblical account states that Midian was where Moses spent the 40 years between the time that he fled Egypt after killing an Egyptian who had been beating a Hebrew and his return to lead the Israelites
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@abumiz Seal of Jehucal - Jehucal or Jucal is mentioned in chapters 37 and 38 of the Book of Jeremiah where King Zedekiah sends Jehucal son of Shelemiah and the priest Zephaniah son of Maaseiah to the prophet Jeremiah saying `Please pray for us to the Lord our God` (Chapter 38 verse 3).`Please pray for us to the Lord our God`
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@abumiz Second Temple Inscription - inscription from Herod's Temple, late 1st century BC. It warns gentiles to refrain from entering the Temple enclosure, on pain of death.
# Second Temple Stone - A stone (2.43x1 meters) with Hebrew language inscription "To the Trumpeting Place" excavated by B. Mazar at the southern foot of the Temple Mount. It iwas a part of the Second Temple.Shebna's lintel inscription - found over the doorway of a tomb, has been ascribed to Hezekiah's comptroller Shebna.
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@abumiz Shishaq Relief - depicts Egypt's victory over Jewish King Rehoboam c. 925 BC, time of the plunder of Solomon's Temple in Judah.
# Siloam inscription - inscription records the construction ofJudean king Hezekiah's tunnel in the 8th century BC .
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@abumiz Stele of Zakkur - mentions Hazael king of Aram.
Staircase that may have led up to the Temple * Stepped Stone Structure - has been suggested as being Jebusite, the Millo, or part of the Large Stone Structure, which was being part of King David's palace
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