Sometimes i think Hitler was right about "the international Jews" and their propensity to pit nations against other nations for their own interests. He claimed that one day the world would see he was right.... i guess we will see once this Iran ballyhoo pans out.
Right, whatever you say. That you so reflexively come to such a conclusion -- that anything said afterward MUST automatically be regarded as entirely false or evil -- only affirms your lifelong indoctrination to reject anything remotely associated with Hitler.
Nazi Germany lost the war. As a result, since the victors write the history and thus of course emphasize THEIR version of events, you've been conditioned to accept the Allied narrative as gospel of your worldview... I get it!
@bobshenix I'm a history student actually. I've studied a lot of wwII, and Naziism etc. I think it is the most deplorable and evil ideology, that is not based on any fact. Every study has proven that hitlers racial theories are bullshit. Just because you happen to be a nazi-sympahtise does not mean you have this truth about history the rest of us don't. It just means you have extreme views that make you unable to accept reality
Therein lies the problem-- the ONLY thing that comes to mind when you think of Hitler is his twisted racial theories. This of course is *purposely* emphasized above all else, as it naturally turns people off and totally obscures the other aspects of the National Socialist program, many of which were terrific (and adopted today).
A true student of history would understand the extraordinary circumstances surrounding Hitler's rise to power, and why he was so greatly adored by Germans.
@bobshenix I think you greatly misunderstand what happened in germany in the 1930's. Hitler rose to power with only 30 percent of the vote, much of which was a vote for his economic policies (creating jobs, cutting taxes etc.). He then began to completely abuse his power, had the country in terror by use of the SS etc., and brainwashed through propaganda to eventually bringing him larger support than he would have had otherwise.
Wrong. The Nazis had gained 37% of the vote; making them unequivocally the single most popular party in Germany. Put aside the "One people, one nation" slogans for a moment... yes Hitler was a staunch nationalist and fiercely anti-communist.
But remember that the national solidarity of Hitler's Germany DID play a role in the country's impressive resurgence from a hopelessly broken nation, drowning in a sea of debt, to the most powerful nation in the world-- in a span of 4-5 years!!
Israel'll self-destruct sooner or later at this rate. And honestly, good riddance if that powderkeg goes.
But Turkey on the other hand....
I guess with Israel we have the worlds least accountable rogue state and most vicious apartheids regime. And with Turkey we have a country that not only denies it's various genocides, but throws it's weight around when someone ELSE mentions their genocides
Fuck 'em both. Actually fuck most of the countries on the planet for various reasons.
What an incredible Turkish hypocracy on behalf of this site host! You should look in the mirror first before saying such nonsense. Turkey is a know bully - it threatens Greeks, Cypriots, wiping out the entire Kurdish villages with heavy artillery and airstrikes and now decided to threaten Israel with military force while giving full support to Hamas and hugging with Iran (and Syria just a two years ago). This threats come from the top leaders of turkey - president, prime minister and FM.
@TheYoungTurks You know why i laugh at this?? Because when Turkey attacked innocent Kurds you just did the same like Israel! i''ll give u a clue- cooperated with the western democracy! Please stop saying '' Terrorist Kurdish Organisation"" Everyone knows this comes from Diplomatic bastards! If you only could imagine how it feels like being betrayed, destroyed, attacked and forced to learn to forget your past, history language and traditions BUT NOT DEFEATED, you will stand up for the freedom...
listen young fascist faggots:1 STATE OF TURKGAY=NR 1 TERRORIST
2 THE PKK ARE KURDISH FREEDOM FIGHTERS
3 STOP REPEATING LIKE AN INSTALLED PROGRAM WHAT YOUR FUCKING ONE SIDEDED MEDYA IN TURKGAY IS BARKING,TRYING TO FOOL THE WORLD
THE SIMILARITIES WITH NAZI HITLER..CONCLUSION..YOU'RE WORSE!MANDELA REJECTED YOUR ATAGAYS PEACE AWARD IN 1992 BECAUSE HE KNEW YOU FASCISTS!THATS WHY YOU CALLED HIM "A DUMB UGLY NIGGER"RIGHT?YOU FUCKING FASCIST ASSHOLES!FUCK IRAQ IRAN SYRIA TURKGAY!PKK= KURDS GOT IT ;)?
@3choBlaster you are sunch an fool, everyone in turkey MUST join the army. Even turks themself dont want to join the army. In Europe turks pay 5.000 euros to pay of their duty. It was even on the Dutch news.
@ikweetnietook I was talking about professional soldiers you retard, not conscripts. It surprises you that Turks living in Europe don't want to leave their school/job for over a year and rather pay a few thousand? You're such an imbecile.
Both your arguments are invalid, since I know MANY Turks from Europe who have done, are doing or will do their conscription. And like I said PRO soldiers, not conscripts. Even without pro soldiers, 20x more Kurd village guards then PKK.
In fact, Ocamer said that PKK doesnt even WANT to set up a Kurdistan any more! They merely want to be represented in Turkish parliament-HYPOCRITE! say everything as it really is
Since when do you consider PKK terrorists? They are Kurds, they want to set up a Kurdistan, and they are maltreated for that. Not quite as pro liberty as youd like us to think huh? You filthy hypocrite... Hamas are freedom fighters, but PKK are terrorist! Youre not a secularist liberal American, youre a staunch atheistic supporter of the Turkish government
I've watched this guy before. He never says any nice things about Israel, which means his ideas are biased. Israel has been putting up with horrible shit ever since 67, No other nation on earth has the problems Israel has with its neighbors. This guy has to understand when enough is enough, someone can only be bullied for so long. People telling you that they want to kill you and your innocent citizens can only be tolerated for so long. Turkey is in no place to talk (Killing innocent kurds)
@ImpatientWreck Turkey does not kill innocent civilians... And What ''this guy'' said was facts... If facts are against Israel should we stop talking about it...
Cenk talked about what Avigdor Lieberman told and What Lieberman was suggesting was International crime. Both supporting PKK and Armenia should take Turkish Land...
I think you should thank Cenk for giving you the truth not giving you what you want to hear.
@MrDenocan i watched the entire video and it was a set up from the start by turkey and their muslim buddies. turkey does not kill innocents? ask the kurds in northern iraq if thats true.
citizens my ass! they were terrorists that attacked israeli seals as soon as they boarded the ship. israeli seals finally defended themselves and killed several terrorists. turkey has become more and more radical islamic and is befriending iran the largest supporter of terrosism in the world. young turks is more like young turds!
@1spiralman Are you telling me IDF seals are so incompetent they can't disarm a few guys with wooden and metal rods you retarded cunt? Throws sand in your face you shoot him 9 times then another 3 times in the Face?
Was the Jewish holocaust survivor "Hedy Epstein" who ALSO was on the MAVI MARMARA Also a radical Muslim you ignorant fucking idiot.
You don't know the first thing about Islam and or Turkish Iranian relations you idiot. Why not simply STFU let the "men" handle it.
@3choBlaster you dumb asshole they were allowed to only have paintball guns and side arms. they were attacked with metal poles and knives as soon as they came on the deck only on one ship. the ship with the cowardly muslim ragheads on it. as soon as we get rid of obama the muslim in chief we will get rid of the rest of you porkers! your really brave on the internet. turkey and islam is a bunch of pussies and your days are numbered.
@1spiralman "They were only allowed Paint ball guns" HAHA did they use that to kill the 9 innocents on the ship? Not ONE of them had a knife you idiot.
Hahah Hedy Epstein was on the MAVI MARMARA not on the other ships you retarded cunt hahahaha. Why won't you say anything about him? No answers?
HAHA yes, because threatening people on the internet is REAL though .. I'm SO scared right now .. a bony, Jew wants to hurt me HAHAH I'm running for my life HAHAHAHA
@3choBlaster oh i am not a jew just because i like israel you shithead. your the moron who started this shit. watch the entire video and then come back and talk. they had paintball assault weapons because of political correctness. the guns they used to kill the terrorists with was their side arms that they were only allowed to use after several were mortally wounded. israel is surrounded by ragheads that want to wipe them off the earth and i happen to admire their courage and fortitude.
@1spiralman Hahaha jew or not your a pathetic cunt, a bad excuse for a man. A real man doesn't threaten people on the internet. You're a little bitch trying to instigate a fight you know will never happen.
It;s a FACT that non of the soldiers were mortally wounded, that no one was using knives, merely trying to keep the Israeli's away using sticks. many non Turks and even Jews were on board and they testify to this FACT. WTF does it matter if they used their side arm or rifle !?
@3choBlaster like i said you started it and i considered that a threat and still you keep it up. your a pathetic instigator that will not even investigate the truth before you open you big mouth. there are pieces of shit like you all over the internet. you mouth off not knowing who your talking too or what your even talking about. now i have wasted enough time on a loser so go in your room and play with your video games.
@1spiralman stfu you internet knight, you've proven your bravery by your comments already .. everyone reading the comment section is scared of you. HAHA
You are the one who won't investigate you ignorant idiot, you can't handle the fact that your reality of good vs evil, is bullshit. You're a pathetic, xenophobic, sad little man who probably got a lot of beating throughout his school career and a janitor or a burger flipper right now,
@1spiralman@1spiralman An American Turk was shot 9 times of which 3 times in the face in close range .. that's self defense? You delusional piece of shit. (BTW you can also check that on youtube, see the Israeli soldier shoot him then walk up to him bend over and shoot him more in the face and of course the testimonies of the non Turks on board)
one of the most non-true, manipulative videos out there. its about time someone flag this radical idiot out of youtube for good. btw most of youtube spamery and acted madeup videos against israel are turkish, just like him.
@misterlunatic Erdogan (I dislike him, I'm Turkish) does not support Hamas, he supports PALESTINE.. he supports the unification of the two Palestinian sides and a 2 state solution with Israel and Palestine idiot.
Check your own facts, it's wonderful how Americans and Jews apparently know my countries politics etc so much better then us Turks. ...ho wait .. you don't
Go listen to Lieberman ,, Hamas are Angels compared to him
Cenk, you idiot. Watch this fully as Turkey waves its finger and threatens Israel in its gas exploration with Cyprus:
Turkey Hypocrisy - Israel, Cyprus, Armenia & the Kurds
Erdogan escalated this fully and before Leiberman comments.
Hamas is way more extreme than the PKK. So it follow that Erdogan is a more "extreme danger" and a "wild madman" than even that "crazy right-winger" Leiberman is.
Cenk, your hypocrisy seems to know no bounds and is right alongside Erdogan and Al-Assad
@firstonethrough Turkey do not want a part of Gas fields, Cyprus represent the whole island so Turkey says if Cyprus is representitive, they have hare the gas money with Turkish Cypriots which Turkish and Turkish Gypriot Goverment are on right side.
Turkey does not kill civilians... for lat ten years of war against PKK there is total 35 civilian death and 35 of them are unkown if they were civilian or terrorist. While Israel kills 500-600 civilian a year...
@MrDenocan You must be the dumbest fuck on the internet. Turkey destroyed 5.000 Kurdish villages, killed so many inconnet farmes who where suspect of helping PKK were killed, witouht any proof. Kurds were not allowd to speak Kurdish, matter fact there was no thing called a Kurd in turkey. They were official register as ''mountian turks''. Turkey is not position to play holly and moraliaz on Israel. You must be a naive turk or a simply a dumb fuck. I know I have been to turkey 13 times.
@ikweetnietook haha you retarded cunt are trolling all over youtube .. no one really cares .. you've probably never been to Turkey you retarded fuck. You don't know shit about the situation
Fact Turkey has been unfair towards ALL it's people in the pasts, Turks, Kurds, Leftists, Rightists ALL got executed under the military junta you fucking idiot. That's the past
FACT 80% of the Turkish Kurds support Turkey, SOURCE:?
@ikweetnietook The current government and all the Turkish parties are totally unrelated to what happened under military junta's led my KURDISH AND TURKISH Generals you fucking idiot. Even then it did not do 1/100th of what Israel does.
Palestinians live in an open air prison, have different license plates (remember ww2 star of david?) can't marry a Jew, can't get building/housing permits, can't walk from one street to another, get bombed, gassed and killed on a daily basis
@ikweetnietook It's fucking obvious YOU'VE NEVER been to Turkey. You are a cunt child of a PKK member who fled to Europe.
That mountain Turks bullshit was nearly 50 years ago you fucking idiot, Kurds have their tv, news papers, can learn their language at school, openly speak it etc. You're comparing assimilation of 50 years ago with a murderous campaign of extermination of Israel you retard.
You support internationally recognized TERRORISTS, who are you to talk about morals!?
@3choBlaster Like is said, this is not really relevant. But if you like to know, I have been 8 times to Turkey. All the way from Istanbull to Silopi. I am not compering it, Im just saying how it is, Turkey has more journalists locked up than any other country.. And what doe you mean terrorists according who? The USA and Turkey? Are you kidding me, they are not position to call others terrorists. Agian I dont think FOX or Israel cares about iternal issues in Turkey, but they are right about it.
@ikweetnietook In your other comment you said you went to Turkey 13 times .. stop lying, it doesn't change the facts. It doesn't make your propaganda more valid.
There are many countries with worse freedom of press. According to EU rapports Russia is worse, (+ China, Iran, N-Korea, etc. and most of the world except western Europe/US). So you are wrong again.
EU, UN, NATO, EVERY nation on the world even Israel accepts PKK is terrorist EVEN the KURD government in N-Iraq.
@ikweetnietook Will you simply stop spreading bullshit propaganda ,, with blatant lies like I have been to Turkey .. you NEVER have man. You aren't even a good liar, a few comments ago you said you went 13 times now you're saying 8 times. That's not a typo and we both know it.
There is no nation in the world taking in to question that PKK is terrorist not ONE, (maybe Armenia?) this is a simple fact, The PKK is regarded as a terrorist and separatist group
@3choBlaster You are correct about one thing I did said I went 13 times to Turkey. I went 13 times to Kurdistan (N-Iraq) and 8 times by Turkey. To be honest I dont even know how much, I lost the count. But I am not lying when I say I have been there many times. Allmost all my family lives there so I go there a lot to see them. But still you are a hypocriet. You do not agree with how Israel is when Turkey is doing the same to the Kurds. And half of what you said was a not true!
@ikweetnietook 1. STOP acting pathetic. I went 8 times, no 13 times .. I don't really know how many times but I went ..... are you even being serious haha ... who takes that serious? N-Irak (regional Kurd government) is not Turkey how is that related.
2.
In Turkey, Kurds can live and study in "every" place they chose, marry any one they want go everywhere they want etc. In Israel NONE of that is possible. Palestinians are locked in their towns and homes.
@3choBlaster If you rlly want to know that bad. I live in Europe, I go to Kurdistan (or N-Iraq however you like to call it) by plain or car. Even by plain I have to go to Istanbull and then to Diyarbakir and the rest by car. These days there are direct flights from Amsterdam to Erbil. You are really very naive, Kurds can join the army? You think they even want to join the army? They have no choise you idiot. Even Turks in Europe buy off their conscription.
@ikweetnietook YES because taking a plane then landing in an airport to change flights DEFINITELY makes you the expert and authority on the Kurdish question in Turkey. Wake up, you're naive and see trough, no one believes this bs.
There are OVER 100 000 Kurds in the Turkish armed forces who are NOT conscripts but professional soldiers. And there are another 80 000 Kurdish village guards The most of the "Turks" who buy off their conscription are Kurds with Turkish passports
@3choBlaster I have been all the way from east till west of Turkey. And you dont have to be genuis to see that there is a big difference. In the east where the Kurds live there is much more unemployment, every where you go in SE-Turkey you will see soldiers,tanks. Ask those people there if they like the presence of the military. And the west you will see a save and economically strong country. Equality? Who are you trying to convince? .
@ikweetnietook Of course there is more unemployment are you mentally deficient? There is a terror group bombing people, businesses, bridges and infrastructure the government builds. No one wants to go and invest there BECAUSE of the PKK. Turkey has millitary bases EVERYWHERE. There is at least one barracks in every city you idiot, they act as police at times. Especially at rural areas they (jandarma) are the police of small villages, they get called if there are disputes/figths
@3choBlaster Dit is dus weer niet waar. Jou regering heeft geen enkel bijdrage geleverd aan de Koerden wat betreft op sociaal, economisch of politiek gebied. Jullie mogen dan de wetten hebben veranderd maar dagelijks worden Koerden nog steeds opgepakt en berecht voor zoiets simpels als het spreken van Koerdisch. Maar goed ik heb nog één ding te zeggen en daarna kap ik er mee: ga maar (naar eigen zeggen) naar het oosten en zie voor jezelf of de bevolking daar jullie aanwezigheid warderen.
@ikweetnietook Waar heb je het over man haha, Koerden spreken al bijna 20 jaar openlijk Koerds, en niemand word opgepakt, de regering heeft een Koerdse kanaal, je kan Koerds op uni's leren. Er is zelfs een Koerds cultureel en historisch instituut in Diyerbakir uni... Wat ben jij een achterlijk kind man, hoezo blijf je bullshit praten? Eerst liegen over dat je in Turkije bent geweest nu deze bs.
Ik ben 2 keer per jaar in Turkije, ik ben super vaak in het oosten.
@ikweetnietook Mijn regering hoort ook geen "sociaal/economische/politieke" bijdrage te leveren. We leven in een KAPITALISTISCHE wereld, WERK voor je geld.
Over bijdrages gesproken, zijn de kinderbijslagen, uitkeringen etc. niet genoeg? Wat moet de regering doen behalve belasting voordeel, gratis grond voor bedrijven, en nog honderden andere maatregelen om investeringen in het oosten te stimuleren..
Waar leef jij jonge? Dinseyland? Dit is realiteit, word wakker.
@3choBlaster Wow so naive. When people live in poverty they will do anything, even fight their own people. It is generally known that the Turkish goverment gave Kurds refrigerators and stuff in exchange for their vote. I dont blame them btw. I even saw on Dutch News that Turks in the Netherlands quickly bought of their conscription becaus of new regulations, so please. Your probleme is that you are ''too proud'' to admit it
@ikweetnietook Oooh I see, you are also a Turk living in Europe. Haha exactly what I was thinking. Laat me raden, zeker de 10.000 betaald en de 4 weken gedaan zeker. Of zo eentje met een grote mond en zeker ''nog'' geen diensplicht gedaan he :)
@ikweetnietook Ik heb mijn dienstplicht nog niet gedaan omdat ik bezig ben met mijn hbo studie (IMBS, International Business and Management Studies) waarnaar ik mijn dienstplicht vrijwillig in het oosten ga doen (als dat mogelijk is)
Haha mijn dienstplicht duurt maar 6/8 maanden en dat als een hogere rang soldaat .. ik doe het graag, ben van plan naar mijn studie naar Turkije te verhuizen, als militair kan je veel contacten in de zakenwereld leren kennen.
@3choBlaster Je bent dus zo eentje met een grote mond die geen dienstplicht heeft gedaan... wat een verassing. De omstandigheden en je eigen kijk boeit mij dus veder echt helemaal niks. Je doet me denken aan Newt Gingrich, grote praatjes over oorlog dit en dat maar zelf geen hol gedaan omdat ''een of ander lul verhaal''.
@ikweetnietook Wat nou grote mond? Wie heeft hier nou de grote mond man, als je zo pro PKK bent want doe je hier dan nog jonge? Hoezo ben je niet op een van de kandil bergen aan het plannen welke onschuldige mensen je van hun leven gaat beroven?
HAHA wat een idioot, kijk eens in de spiegel voordat je je grote bek open trekt, ik ga er iig heen. Maar niet te vergelijken met jou natuurlijk, de grote internet held en redder van het Koerds volk haha houd je illusies voor je
@ikweetnietook Poverty rate in Turkey is heavily declining. Wages are going up. There are more Kurds in Istanbul then there are in Diyarbakir, Van and Hakkari combined. (They are still a small minority in Istanbul, which has nearly 17/18 million people. The current government provides "extra" money, tax cuts, and many more extra benefits (of which they already provides allot throughout the country) to people who invest in the east.
@ikweetnietook In dutch news like in most EU news. When they say Turkish they mean someone from TURKEY they don't mention their race. Not to mention that the new law is for people over of 40 something who have worked in EU their whole life and haven't been able to go do their conscription. The Dutch news and government like most tries to assimilate other races (which you don't seem to min here you hypocrite) thus tries to distance them from their roots, or let them appear so.
@ikweetnietook In Turkey Kurd, Zaza, Turk, Armenian, Arab, Gypsy, Chechen, Laz, doesn't matter for the law they are all Turkish citizens and all have the same rights. Can live, work, set up businesses, get married with who they want from any race. In Turkey a Kurd can do EVERYTHING a Turk can legally do.
In Israel Palestinians can't marry Jews, can't have homes, can't walk freely or live where they want, can't start businesses, have different car plates.
@ikweetnietook If I am a hypocrite tell me why, give me sources .. if half of what I said was not true PROVE it .. show to me I'm wrong. Give examples of what I wrote that was not true.
IT IS TRUE.
In Turkey a Kurd can become a general or the president ... in Israel that's impossible for a Palestinian. Kurds in Turkey are in the Army, the Government, the Police, Politics, Parliament, Social services.. in EVERY part of life ..
@ikweetnietook The fact is that EVERY group that attacks civilians, civil servants (police), a sovereign and internationally recognized nations military, kidnaps people and teachers, forces civilians to pay taxes to fund a war against a government AKA effectively uses fear (TERROR) to further their cause is a "TERRORIST"
PKK does ALL if that, they are the DEFINITION of TERRORIST. They "claim" to fight for the Kurds, but they mostly fight Kurds and most people who die are Kurdish.
@ikweetnietook First of all it wasn't close to 5000, second of all that happened in the fucking 90's move along already you fucking retard. The whole fucking reason this happeneed was because of the PKK. If the pkk wasn't active there the region wouldn't have to be militarized. But that's all in the past now. Kurds have their cultural rights and they already had equality. Funny thing, it happened under a KURDISH president.Turgut Ozal. You dumb idiot.
1. The MAVI MARMARA was manned by activists from the IHH which has recognized connections with Hamas, Al-Qaida and other groups considered by many to be terror organizations. They were warned not to break the blockade, and Israel had good reason to suspect it was transporting weapons to Gaza.
2. Why are you criticizing Lieberman? Mr. Erdogan supports Hamas and even met with Ismail Haniyeh a few days ago. How do you know Turkish money doesn't buy arms for Hamas
And I don't care about your patriotism either. I was just talking about the obvious potential Mexico has. I already gave you my reasons. You just said that Turkey has a bigger army. Sorry to disappoint you but yes, México has more potential than turkey. It doesn't have any enemies. Turkey has, that's why you spend so much on military power. That's your fault. And don't ever expect to get into the European Union. You won't.
@nmgscp Hatay is mostly Turkish, the Arabs are a minority. When we annexed Hatay the people voted yes in a referendum .. we did not take it by military means.
Source: I'm Turkish and know a LOT of people from Hatay
Thats why I love Cenk. Even though he is a Turkish American citizen. He can critise Turkey and when time comes, he can say things that needs to be said.
Cenk I love you so much. (in heterosexual boundaries)
This fool talks about PKK terrorists, while he loves Hamas (even worse than PKK). Also Turkey is STILL occupying Cyprus. NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD SUPPORTS THIS. Cenk Uyguy is a wolf in sheepclothes, who loves a sheep in wolfclothes (Recep Erdogan).
thats not what i meant...i know most israelis are good and against such stupid actions....when i said israel i didnt mean the people, i meant the policy.
As Norman Finkelstein said, "Israel is a Lunatic State." End Zionism, and things will be much, much, much better for everyone in the Middle East, and around the world. There is a big difference between Judaism and Zionism. Look it up.
turkey said it wants to MILITARY secure flotillas going to the Gaza strip, who's threatening with war? it also said Israel should lift up the siege from Gaza, like we are trying to help the pkk as much as they want to help Hamas! you biast!! erdogan also said Israel should return part of their land and give to the Palestinians. if compare reasons at list be equal about it you young fuck!
The entire reason those 9 turks were killed is because they were jihadists trying to run a military blockade. The entire point of running the blockade is to smuggle supplies in to Gaza to attack and terrorize Israel. The ultimate goal - as stated openly and often by muslims is the destruction of israel
So Turkey is directly supporting terrorism against Israel, with the goal of its destruction
This is a little more than just suggesting armenians (who suffered genocide by Turkey) to leave Turkey
@FunGunsJared Of course it's not alright for muslims to endorse terrorism, and neither is it ok for jews to. In fact it's a morally equivalency that people should have no respect for. Are you suggesting that 2 wrongs make a right?
No, I think he was referring to the chronic condemnation of israel for resisting islamic jihad and terrorism as a tactic of jihad. Muslims are killing people every day in multiple terrorism attacks world wide - and the media says nothing. As soon as muslims stage an attack and can make it look like aggression, the whole world goes ape shit on Israel
@berenjervin OMG. Are you really being serious here? Even when Israel partners with terrorists, you still manage to blame Muslims?
Your kind of bigotry is unacceptable, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Is there anything that Israel could do which you would condemn? Believe it or not, reverse racism is STILL racism.
Dont confuse "Israel COULD partner with terrorists" with "Israel does partner with terrorists".
>Your kind of bigotry is unacceptable
Bullshit - its not bigotry, and its long overdue. If muslims in this part of the world want to be treated better, they need to start treating others better.
And chronic terrorism, child suicide bombers, the constant crowing for genocide, and the preoccupation of the destruction of israel is getting old.
@berenjervin this makes no sense you still seem to be dancing around the plain fact that there is a double standard within the media. also this is not bigotry is any way shape or form because these things are happening islamic terrorism has been happening around the world for the a long time you are basically denying this FACT when was the last time the jews straped a bomb to the chest of a child or hijacked a plane think about it numb nuts
Yes there is. This double standard becomes painfully obvious to anyone that takes the time to educate themselves on the topic, rather than just listening to the media.
>you are basically denying this FACT
I'm not denying this fact. Its is one of the things I am pointing out.
>when was the last time the jews straped a bomb to the chest of a child
@johnedwards1968 no im saying that theyoung turks are creating a double standard within their reporting by ignoring all the facts about how mostly every muslim country is endorsing terrorism and right when the jews do it its the biggest sin ever
during the last week more than 100 men,women,children,teachers were killed by PKK (as some viewers refer to as freedom fighters) in the southeast of Turkey.And Turkish foreign minister said these terrorist groups get support from a certain country...training units and weapons etc..I wonder which country he referred to
Once Cenk videos were 2% correct - he's not even that far.
Turkey started fight by sending the flotilla to aid the terrorist organization, Hamas. They refused to accept the UN findings that Gaza blockade is legal and Israel's regret for loss of life. Rather, Turkey opted to say they will send their NAVY ESCORT + POLITICIANS on next flotilla!
And Cenk, why not have an independent Kurdistan? The Kurds have been left out while world looks only at Palestinians. East Turkey+ N. Iraq = Kurdistan
Turkey or current Turkish ruler is supporting and promoting Hamas by all means.
The whole bloodshed was organized by Turkish government
Recently Erdogan called Hams a "legitimate political party" I wonder what a soldier of legitimate state is doing in the hands of "legitimate political party"
Anyway knowing the dependency of Turkey on USA (militarily, economically and politically) I thing for Israel its enough to move its friends in Senate and Congress to take some actions
Cenk doesn't mention how Turkey bullies Cyprus, Israel and Greece over the natural resource claims in the Mediterranean sea. Cenk is a liberal shitard propagandist and this video is pure and clean evidence .
I love how he has no ill words for erdogan hahaha what a fool .
IRAN PJAK,IN TURKIYE PKK,IN SYRIA FAKE PROTESTORS ,NORTHERN IRAQ SORRY KURDISTAN IS READY FOR TERRORIST NEOCONS.this is Greater Middle East Initiative.because If Western Countries CANT achieve control of energy routes and oil they will Fail.NATO EU ISRAEL suppprt all terror activities against Turkiye.We turkish people know you that You will not succeed
good on ya mate you said it, I agree with you if israel partner with pkk than we turks should partner with hamas, or any other freedom fighters that fight against agresor and invader israel,but i believe israel some how openly or behind scenes will help pkk or any other ways to cause trouble for turkey.let me remind you guys saying said by israelies I 4 I,Tooth 4 a tooth,us turks we should seek 2 i'S 4 1 i & their 32 teeth for our 1 tooth.if israel or liberman should seek blood.
This is so annoying: While Turkey indeed sides with the IHH and other terrorists, we can THREATEN to side with terrorists. We can THREATEN to bomb stuff. We can THREATEN to attack with no reason. But no one will ever take our threats seriously. Why? because we're Jews. We don't do that.
@TheEEStudent We are talking about the Israeli commandos which were trained to fight in the hardest battles, don't you think this scenario of abduction is very simple? besides it's based on such findings like a few bread knifes and plastic chairs. I wonder how these commandos would fight in a battle ? Together with that the state killed them on the international waters which was out of the israeli control. You still support the injustice ?
@aporia82 I don't see any injustice. First, it is completely legal to intercept vessels who try to infringe an international blockade in international waters, by the San Remo maritime laws. Second, on this ship there were at least 50 IHH activists who charged the incoming soldiers, attempted to abduct one of them hence forcing the rest to draw their real guns instead of the paintball ones. In a "real battle" soldiers aren't restricted to paintball guns, when charged by 50 terrorists.
@TheEEStudent IHH (Humanitarian Aid Organization in Turkish) is a civilian organization even though your media depicts them as terrorists.Together with that there were also many American and European activists on the ship, according to your theory they were also terrorists, huh?Besides, due to the NATO and UN defence treaties two members states can not attack each other without an official NATO or UN decision taken by majority votes. Attacking a NATO/UN member and killing civilians: injusitce!
@aporia82 This means I need to repeat: In a "real battle" soldiers aren't restricted to paintball guns, when charged by 50 terrorists. This wasn't a "real battle" nor was it an attack against Turkey but an interception of a vessel trying to infiltrate a legal international blockade. The IHH activists were wearing gas masks and hitting the soldiers with Iron rods. Not very civilian of them. But still our soldiers tried to be civil, until the "civilian activists" tried to abduct one of them.
@TheEEStudent A legal international blockade? UN declared the blockade a violation of human rights. secondly if you kill the citizens of a country that means you attack the country, that is 'casus belli' for the international law. thirdly all they had was bread knifes, plastic chairs and a few gas masks against the tear gas. paintball guns? as far as I remember minimum 200 bullet holes were found on the ship.what happened was wrong, very simple.
@aporia82 The Palmer commission of the UN has declared the blockade "LEGAL" and that is enough. It doesn't matter what other UN cocktail parties acting out of their jurisdiction on this matter (such as the human rights council, previously headed by.. Libya, currently headed by Uruguay, not very humane places and whose mandate doesn't have anything to do with maritime law) might say about the issue. And yes, thanks for reminding it - they also attacked the soldiers with knives.
>secondly if you kill the citizens of a country that means you attack the country
And a direct implication of this statement is that Turkey - as a result of its support for the IHH and Hamas - is attacking Israel, so Israel's actions are justified self defence.
What happened was islamic jihadists trying to break a military blockade were killed.
If you say that was wrong, then you are really saying you support terrorism.
@berenjervin have u ever read anyhing about the international laws?I mean if the soldiers of a state kills the citizens of another one that is 'casus belli'.The victim state has the right to declare war.IHH is a civilian organization.that doesn't count.Dude Turkey is a NATO member for 50 years,it doesn't have the luxury to support the jihadists or the hamas.Besides Turkes is a secular democracy if the government found guilty of supporting any terrorist group,they have to resign and go to prison.
No sir, Turkey most certainly does not support Jihadists, which dumbass parent thought you that?
Obvious rage comment is obvious.
Yes Turkey kills Iraqi Kurds, a.k.a PKK'ers, act of war against who? We're already in war with PKK'ers, who are you talking about? Which country? I don't see any country that is being treathened by this.
You might want to follow along with the conversation to find out what its about before jumping in with comments.
Turkey does, in fact support jihadists. Not only did it make diplomatic decisions in solidarity with jihadists that were killed attacking IDF, they are threatening military action, have cancelled agreements with Israel, and is sending yet another flotilla trying to break the blockade so jihadists can continue with terrorism against Israel.
Having said that, which dumbass parent told you threatening military action because some loser terrorists got killed isnt supporting terrorism?
PKKer's are Iraqi citizens. And if you had of bothered reading the conversation before opening the pie hole, you would have seen why it was even brought up.
Its not about education, its about moral values. I oppose the jihadists who feel justified in killing people to spread islam, and you dont.
@berenjervin Note: I'm not the same person you argued with before, arse.
I don't support jihadists either, nor Hamas, nor any other terrorist organization.
"Loser terrorists got killed isnt supporting terrorism" I hope you're not reffering to the flotilla incident, because that's the main reason why Israel should get the fuck out of the Earth.
PKKer's aren't iraqi citizens, you idiot. /facepalm. Proves how uneducated you are.
PKKer's are -trying- to build their own country, with Turkey's land
Ya you arent the same person - you just picked up where they left off with the exact same line of reasoning. In fact, if the name didnt change, I'd swear you were the same person.
Ya ya, you dont support hamas, you just support their ideology, their same claim that defending against terrorism is terrorism, and martrys for islam are just peaceful people minding their own business.
PKKer's are -trying- to build their own country, with Turkey's land
@berenjervin I'm not the same person, nor did I read the bullshitty things you both talked about, but ironic isn't it? We both said the same things, as you said, your little brain should have a light burning now "Ohh, they might be right!" but ofcourse you're a jew, and even tho the whole world knows you're wrong, you think you're right. Pathetic.
I surely don't support Hamas, what makes you think that? You keep coming back with that stupid nonsense of yours, pathetic aswell.
So you didnt read what was said, but you just magically stepped in and carried the conversation, and also magically knew what was said and thought what I said was "shitty"?
What other tall tales do you have for me?
>We both said the same things
Yea - you both expressed the same flawed opinion that Turkey's threat of military action to support a terrorist organization somehow isnt supporting terrorism.
Do you think insults makes you "more right"? Or just shows your character?
stupide Israel , Israel big terroriste
kekouha 1 day ago
Sometimes i think Hitler was right about "the international Jews" and their propensity to pit nations against other nations for their own interests. He claimed that one day the world would see he was right.... i guess we will see once this Iran ballyhoo pans out.
bobshenix 1 week ago
@bobshenix anyone who starts a post with 'I think hitler was right', is wrong. You should be embarressed to say such a thing
lynottlives 5 days ago
Right, whatever you say. That you so reflexively come to such a conclusion -- that anything said afterward MUST automatically be regarded as entirely false or evil -- only affirms your lifelong indoctrination to reject anything remotely associated with Hitler.
Nazi Germany lost the war. As a result, since the victors write the history and thus of course emphasize THEIR version of events, you've been conditioned to accept the Allied narrative as gospel of your worldview... I get it!
bobshenix 4 days ago
@bobshenix I'm a history student actually. I've studied a lot of wwII, and Naziism etc. I think it is the most deplorable and evil ideology, that is not based on any fact. Every study has proven that hitlers racial theories are bullshit. Just because you happen to be a nazi-sympahtise does not mean you have this truth about history the rest of us don't. It just means you have extreme views that make you unable to accept reality
lynottlives 4 days ago
Therein lies the problem-- the ONLY thing that comes to mind when you think of Hitler is his twisted racial theories. This of course is *purposely* emphasized above all else, as it naturally turns people off and totally obscures the other aspects of the National Socialist program, many of which were terrific (and adopted today).
A true student of history would understand the extraordinary circumstances surrounding Hitler's rise to power, and why he was so greatly adored by Germans.
bobshenix 4 days ago
@bobshenix I think you greatly misunderstand what happened in germany in the 1930's. Hitler rose to power with only 30 percent of the vote, much of which was a vote for his economic policies (creating jobs, cutting taxes etc.). He then began to completely abuse his power, had the country in terror by use of the SS etc., and brainwashed through propaganda to eventually bringing him larger support than he would have had otherwise.
lynottlives 3 days ago
Wrong. The Nazis had gained 37% of the vote; making them unequivocally the single most popular party in Germany. Put aside the "One people, one nation" slogans for a moment... yes Hitler was a staunch nationalist and fiercely anti-communist.
But remember that the national solidarity of Hitler's Germany DID play a role in the country's impressive resurgence from a hopelessly broken nation, drowning in a sea of debt, to the most powerful nation in the world-- in a span of 4-5 years!!
bobshenix 3 days ago
this isent diplomacy..... insert 300 reference
np02058 2 weeks ago
this is so unilateral!!!! mr, you should watch the news , not invent them!!
shtud1 2 weeks ago
Israel'll self-destruct sooner or later at this rate. And honestly, good riddance if that powderkeg goes.
But Turkey on the other hand....
I guess with Israel we have the worlds least accountable rogue state and most vicious apartheids regime. And with Turkey we have a country that not only denies it's various genocides, but throws it's weight around when someone ELSE mentions their genocides
Fuck 'em both. Actually fuck most of the countries on the planet for various reasons.
TheSkunkCat 3 weeks ago
@TheSkunkCat Stop being sane on YouTube. It's weirding me out.
nahedh 1 week ago
What an incredible Turkish hypocracy on behalf of this site host! You should look in the mirror first before saying such nonsense. Turkey is a know bully - it threatens Greeks, Cypriots, wiping out the entire Kurdish villages with heavy artillery and airstrikes and now decided to threaten Israel with military force while giving full support to Hamas and hugging with Iran (and Syria just a two years ago). This threats come from the top leaders of turkey - president, prime minister and FM.
alamoana2000 3 weeks ago
Madness? THIS IS ISRAEL!! lol! I am not jewish but that''s awesome XD!
AvellinoRH 3 weeks ago
@TheYoungTurks You know why i laugh at this?? Because when Turkey attacked innocent Kurds you just did the same like Israel! i''ll give u a clue- cooperated with the western democracy! Please stop saying '' Terrorist Kurdish Organisation"" Everyone knows this comes from Diplomatic bastards! If you only could imagine how it feels like being betrayed, destroyed, attacked and forced to learn to forget your past, history language and traditions BUT NOT DEFEATED, you will stand up for the freedom...
AvellinoRH 3 weeks ago
@ikweetnietook
Lame, je ben echt lame..
En een hond :)
kobesaa 4 weeks ago
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listen young fascist faggots:1 STATE OF TURKGAY=NR 1 TERRORIST
2 THE PKK ARE KURDISH FREEDOM FIGHTERS
3 STOP REPEATING LIKE AN INSTALLED PROGRAM WHAT YOUR FUCKING ONE SIDEDED MEDYA IN TURKGAY IS BARKING,TRYING TO FOOL THE WORLD
THE SIMILARITIES WITH NAZI HITLER..CONCLUSION..YOU'RE WORSE!MANDELA REJECTED YOUR ATAGAYS PEACE AWARD IN 1992 BECAUSE HE KNEW YOU FASCISTS!THATS WHY YOU CALLED HIM "A DUMB UGLY NIGGER"RIGHT?YOU FUCKING FASCIST ASSHOLES!FUCK IRAQ IRAN SYRIA TURKGAY!PKK= KURDS GOT IT ;)?
21Lylla 1 month ago 7
@21Lylla LOL you retard .. if PKK=Kurds how come,
There are over 100 000 Kurds in the Turkish army
80 000 village gaurds
thousands of police
etc. etc.
vs 4000 pkk peasants (50% girls who ran from home because their daddy wanted to sell them to some year old uncle)
haha idiot. How come most Kurds vote for Turkish parties and not BDP
3choBlaster 2 weeks ago
@3choBlaster you are sunch an fool, everyone in turkey MUST join the army. Even turks themself dont want to join the army. In Europe turks pay 5.000 euros to pay of their duty. It was even on the Dutch news.
ikweetnietook 2 weeks ago
@ikweetnietook I was talking about professional soldiers you retard, not conscripts. It surprises you that Turks living in Europe don't want to leave their school/job for over a year and rather pay a few thousand? You're such an imbecile.
Both your arguments are invalid, since I know MANY Turks from Europe who have done, are doing or will do their conscription. And like I said PRO soldiers, not conscripts. Even without pro soldiers, 20x more Kurd village guards then PKK.
3choBlaster 2 weeks ago
@21Lylla pkk were freedom fighters when they bombed tourist places?
Serko070 2 weeks ago
@21Lylla so you're not racist,you just vomit ha?
mreuphrates 2 weeks ago
In fact, Ocamer said that PKK doesnt even WANT to set up a Kurdistan any more! They merely want to be represented in Turkish parliament-HYPOCRITE! say everything as it really is
ivaflimkien 1 month ago
Since when do you consider PKK terrorists? They are Kurds, they want to set up a Kurdistan, and they are maltreated for that. Not quite as pro liberty as youd like us to think huh? You filthy hypocrite... Hamas are freedom fighters, but PKK are terrorist! Youre not a secularist liberal American, youre a staunch atheistic supporter of the Turkish government
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MrDenocan 1 month ago
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@ivaflimkien
1) they threaten and if they don't back down kill teachers, doctors, investers... praticly they try to stop social and financial development.
2) They bomb civilians... Examples: Taksim bombing, Ankara bombing, Istanbul bombing...
3) They kill and massacre local kurdish population if they see them as tratiors that works with Turkish state.
4) Majority of Kurds support Turkey
5) Turkey never said Hamas was freedom fighters... Turkey said that Hamas is a elected goverment...
MrDenocan 1 month ago
fuck isreal i am a pakistani and i am with turkey on this one
humzakhan122 1 month ago
I've watched this guy before. He never says any nice things about Israel, which means his ideas are biased. Israel has been putting up with horrible shit ever since 67, No other nation on earth has the problems Israel has with its neighbors. This guy has to understand when enough is enough, someone can only be bullied for so long. People telling you that they want to kill you and your innocent citizens can only be tolerated for so long. Turkey is in no place to talk (Killing innocent kurds)
ImpatientWreck 1 month ago
@ImpatientWreck Turkey does not kill innocent civilians... And What ''this guy'' said was facts... If facts are against Israel should we stop talking about it...
Cenk talked about what Avigdor Lieberman told and What Lieberman was suggesting was International crime. Both supporting PKK and Armenia should take Turkish Land...
I think you should thank Cenk for giving you the truth not giving you what you want to hear.
MrDenocan 1 month ago
@MrDenocan i watched the entire video and it was a set up from the start by turkey and their muslim buddies. turkey does not kill innocents? ask the kurds in northern iraq if thats true.
1spiralman 1 month ago
citizens my ass! they were terrorists that attacked israeli seals as soon as they boarded the ship. israeli seals finally defended themselves and killed several terrorists. turkey has become more and more radical islamic and is befriending iran the largest supporter of terrosism in the world. young turks is more like young turds!
1spiralman 1 month ago
@1spiralman Are you telling me IDF seals are so incompetent they can't disarm a few guys with wooden and metal rods you retarded cunt? Throws sand in your face you shoot him 9 times then another 3 times in the Face?
Was the Jewish holocaust survivor "Hedy Epstein" who ALSO was on the MAVI MARMARA Also a radical Muslim you ignorant fucking idiot.
You don't know the first thing about Islam and or Turkish Iranian relations you idiot. Why not simply STFU let the "men" handle it.
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@3choBlaster you dumb asshole they were allowed to only have paintball guns and side arms. they were attacked with metal poles and knives as soon as they came on the deck only on one ship. the ship with the cowardly muslim ragheads on it. as soon as we get rid of obama the muslim in chief we will get rid of the rest of you porkers! your really brave on the internet. turkey and islam is a bunch of pussies and your days are numbered.
1spiralman 1 month ago
@1spiralman "They were only allowed Paint ball guns" HAHA did they use that to kill the 9 innocents on the ship? Not ONE of them had a knife you idiot.
Hahah Hedy Epstein was on the MAVI MARMARA not on the other ships you retarded cunt hahahaha. Why won't you say anything about him? No answers?
HAHA yes, because threatening people on the internet is REAL though .. I'm SO scared right now .. a bony, Jew wants to hurt me HAHAH I'm running for my life HAHAHAHA
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@3choBlaster oh i am not a jew just because i like israel you shithead. your the moron who started this shit. watch the entire video and then come back and talk. they had paintball assault weapons because of political correctness. the guns they used to kill the terrorists with was their side arms that they were only allowed to use after several were mortally wounded. israel is surrounded by ragheads that want to wipe them off the earth and i happen to admire their courage and fortitude.
1spiralman 1 month ago
@1spiralman Hahaha jew or not your a pathetic cunt, a bad excuse for a man. A real man doesn't threaten people on the internet. You're a little bitch trying to instigate a fight you know will never happen.
It;s a FACT that non of the soldiers were mortally wounded, that no one was using knives, merely trying to keep the Israeli's away using sticks. many non Turks and even Jews were on board and they testify to this FACT. WTF does it matter if they used their side arm or rifle !?
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@3choBlaster like i said you started it and i considered that a threat and still you keep it up. your a pathetic instigator that will not even investigate the truth before you open you big mouth. there are pieces of shit like you all over the internet. you mouth off not knowing who your talking too or what your even talking about. now i have wasted enough time on a loser so go in your room and play with your video games.
1spiralman 1 month ago
@1spiralman stfu you internet knight, you've proven your bravery by your comments already .. everyone reading the comment section is scared of you. HAHA
You are the one who won't investigate you ignorant idiot, you can't handle the fact that your reality of good vs evil, is bullshit. You're a pathetic, xenophobic, sad little man who probably got a lot of beating throughout his school career and a janitor or a burger flipper right now,
Please don't come and bully me HAHA
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@3choBlaster go fuck your self little muslin raghead!
1spiralman 1 month ago
@1spiralman @1spiralman An American Turk was shot 9 times of which 3 times in the face in close range .. that's self defense? You delusional piece of shit. (BTW you can also check that on youtube, see the Israeli soldier shoot him then walk up to him bend over and shoot him more in the face and of course the testimonies of the non Turks on board)
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@3choBlaster next time you say what you said to me lets make arragements to say it to my face. then we will see who is tough!.
1spiralman 1 month ago
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one of the most non-true, manipulative videos out there. its about time someone flag this radical idiot out of youtube for good. btw most of youtube spamery and acted madeup videos against israel are turkish, just like him.
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tmpq1lzy 1 month ago 3
actually, Erdogan IS supporting Hamas and always had great relations with its leaders. So check your facts!
misterlunatic 1 month ago
@misterlunatic Erdogan (I dislike him, I'm Turkish) does not support Hamas, he supports PALESTINE.. he supports the unification of the two Palestinian sides and a 2 state solution with Israel and Palestine idiot.
Check your own facts, it's wonderful how Americans and Jews apparently know my countries politics etc so much better then us Turks. ...ho wait .. you don't
Go listen to Lieberman ,, Hamas are Angels compared to him
3choBlaster 1 month ago
Cenk, you idiot. Watch this fully as Turkey waves its finger and threatens Israel in its gas exploration with Cyprus:
Turkey Hypocrisy - Israel, Cyprus, Armenia & the Kurds
Erdogan escalated this fully and before Leiberman comments.
Hamas is way more extreme than the PKK. So it follow that Erdogan is a more "extreme danger" and a "wild madman" than even that "crazy right-winger" Leiberman is.
Cenk, your hypocrisy seems to know no bounds and is right alongside Erdogan and Al-Assad
firstonethrough 1 month ago
@firstonethrough Turkey do not want a part of Gas fields, Cyprus represent the whole island so Turkey says if Cyprus is representitive, they have hare the gas money with Turkish Cypriots which Turkish and Turkish Gypriot Goverment are on right side.
Turkey does not kill civilians... for lat ten years of war against PKK there is total 35 civilian death and 35 of them are unkown if they were civilian or terrorist. While Israel kills 500-600 civilian a year...
MrDenocan 1 month ago
@MrDenocan You must be the dumbest fuck on the internet. Turkey destroyed 5.000 Kurdish villages, killed so many inconnet farmes who where suspect of helping PKK were killed, witouht any proof. Kurds were not allowd to speak Kurdish, matter fact there was no thing called a Kurd in turkey. They were official register as ''mountian turks''. Turkey is not position to play holly and moraliaz on Israel. You must be a naive turk or a simply a dumb fuck. I know I have been to turkey 13 times.
ikweetnietook 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook haha you retarded cunt are trolling all over youtube .. no one really cares .. you've probably never been to Turkey you retarded fuck. You don't know shit about the situation
Fact Turkey has been unfair towards ALL it's people in the pasts, Turks, Kurds, Leftists, Rightists ALL got executed under the military junta you fucking idiot. That's the past
FACT 80% of the Turkish Kurds support Turkey, SOURCE:?
1. ELECTIONS
2. Kurds serving in the TSK (non mandatory)
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook The current government and all the Turkish parties are totally unrelated to what happened under military junta's led my KURDISH AND TURKISH Generals you fucking idiot. Even then it did not do 1/100th of what Israel does.
Palestinians live in an open air prison, have different license plates (remember ww2 star of david?) can't marry a Jew, can't get building/housing permits, can't walk from one street to another, get bombed, gassed and killed on a daily basis
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook It's fucking obvious YOU'VE NEVER been to Turkey. You are a cunt child of a PKK member who fled to Europe.
That mountain Turks bullshit was nearly 50 years ago you fucking idiot, Kurds have their tv, news papers, can learn their language at school, openly speak it etc. You're comparing assimilation of 50 years ago with a murderous campaign of extermination of Israel you retard.
You support internationally recognized TERRORISTS, who are you to talk about morals!?
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@3choBlaster Like is said, this is not really relevant. But if you like to know, I have been 8 times to Turkey. All the way from Istanbull to Silopi. I am not compering it, Im just saying how it is, Turkey has more journalists locked up than any other country.. And what doe you mean terrorists according who? The USA and Turkey? Are you kidding me, they are not position to call others terrorists. Agian I dont think FOX or Israel cares about iternal issues in Turkey, but they are right about it.
ikweetnietook 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook In your other comment you said you went to Turkey 13 times .. stop lying, it doesn't change the facts. It doesn't make your propaganda more valid.
There are many countries with worse freedom of press. According to EU rapports Russia is worse, (+ China, Iran, N-Korea, etc. and most of the world except western Europe/US). So you are wrong again.
EU, UN, NATO, EVERY nation on the world even Israel accepts PKK is terrorist EVEN the KURD government in N-Iraq.
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook Will you simply stop spreading bullshit propaganda ,, with blatant lies like I have been to Turkey .. you NEVER have man. You aren't even a good liar, a few comments ago you said you went 13 times now you're saying 8 times. That's not a typo and we both know it.
There is no nation in the world taking in to question that PKK is terrorist not ONE, (maybe Armenia?) this is a simple fact, The PKK is regarded as a terrorist and separatist group
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@3choBlaster You are correct about one thing I did said I went 13 times to Turkey. I went 13 times to Kurdistan (N-Iraq) and 8 times by Turkey. To be honest I dont even know how much, I lost the count. But I am not lying when I say I have been there many times. Allmost all my family lives there so I go there a lot to see them. But still you are a hypocriet. You do not agree with how Israel is when Turkey is doing the same to the Kurds. And half of what you said was a not true!
ikweetnietook 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook 1. STOP acting pathetic. I went 8 times, no 13 times .. I don't really know how many times but I went ..... are you even being serious haha ... who takes that serious? N-Irak (regional Kurd government) is not Turkey how is that related.
2.
In Turkey, Kurds can live and study in "every" place they chose, marry any one they want go everywhere they want etc. In Israel NONE of that is possible. Palestinians are locked in their towns and homes.
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@3choBlaster If you rlly want to know that bad. I live in Europe, I go to Kurdistan (or N-Iraq however you like to call it) by plain or car. Even by plain I have to go to Istanbull and then to Diyarbakir and the rest by car. These days there are direct flights from Amsterdam to Erbil. You are really very naive, Kurds can join the army? You think they even want to join the army? They have no choise you idiot. Even Turks in Europe buy off their conscription.
ikweetnietook 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook YES because taking a plane then landing in an airport to change flights DEFINITELY makes you the expert and authority on the Kurdish question in Turkey. Wake up, you're naive and see trough, no one believes this bs.
There are OVER 100 000 Kurds in the Turkish armed forces who are NOT conscripts but professional soldiers. And there are another 80 000 Kurdish village guards The most of the "Turks" who buy off their conscription are Kurds with Turkish passports
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@3choBlaster I have been all the way from east till west of Turkey. And you dont have to be genuis to see that there is a big difference. In the east where the Kurds live there is much more unemployment, every where you go in SE-Turkey you will see soldiers,tanks. Ask those people there if they like the presence of the military. And the west you will see a save and economically strong country. Equality? Who are you trying to convince? .
ikweetnietook 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook Of course there is more unemployment are you mentally deficient? There is a terror group bombing people, businesses, bridges and infrastructure the government builds. No one wants to go and invest there BECAUSE of the PKK. Turkey has millitary bases EVERYWHERE. There is at least one barracks in every city you idiot, they act as police at times. Especially at rural areas they (jandarma) are the police of small villages, they get called if there are disputes/figths
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@3choBlaster Dit is dus weer niet waar. Jou regering heeft geen enkel bijdrage geleverd aan de Koerden wat betreft op sociaal, economisch of politiek gebied. Jullie mogen dan de wetten hebben veranderd maar dagelijks worden Koerden nog steeds opgepakt en berecht voor zoiets simpels als het spreken van Koerdisch. Maar goed ik heb nog één ding te zeggen en daarna kap ik er mee: ga maar (naar eigen zeggen) naar het oosten en zie voor jezelf of de bevolking daar jullie aanwezigheid warderen.
ikweetnietook 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook Waar heb je het over man haha, Koerden spreken al bijna 20 jaar openlijk Koerds, en niemand word opgepakt, de regering heeft een Koerdse kanaal, je kan Koerds op uni's leren. Er is zelfs een Koerds cultureel en historisch instituut in Diyerbakir uni... Wat ben jij een achterlijk kind man, hoezo blijf je bullshit praten? Eerst liegen over dat je in Turkije bent geweest nu deze bs.
Ik ben 2 keer per jaar in Turkije, ik ben super vaak in het oosten.
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook Mijn regering hoort ook geen "sociaal/economische/politieke" bijdrage te leveren. We leven in een KAPITALISTISCHE wereld, WERK voor je geld.
Over bijdrages gesproken, zijn de kinderbijslagen, uitkeringen etc. niet genoeg? Wat moet de regering doen behalve belasting voordeel, gratis grond voor bedrijven, en nog honderden andere maatregelen om investeringen in het oosten te stimuleren..
Waar leef jij jonge? Dinseyland? Dit is realiteit, word wakker.
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@3choBlaster Wow so naive. When people live in poverty they will do anything, even fight their own people. It is generally known that the Turkish goverment gave Kurds refrigerators and stuff in exchange for their vote. I dont blame them btw. I even saw on Dutch News that Turks in the Netherlands quickly bought of their conscription becaus of new regulations, so please. Your probleme is that you are ''too proud'' to admit it
ikweetnietook 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook Oooh I see, you are also a Turk living in Europe. Haha exactly what I was thinking. Laat me raden, zeker de 10.000 betaald en de 4 weken gedaan zeker. Of zo eentje met een grote mond en zeker ''nog'' geen diensplicht gedaan he :)
ikweetnietook 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook Ik heb mijn dienstplicht nog niet gedaan omdat ik bezig ben met mijn hbo studie (IMBS, International Business and Management Studies) waarnaar ik mijn dienstplicht vrijwillig in het oosten ga doen (als dat mogelijk is)
Haha mijn dienstplicht duurt maar 6/8 maanden en dat als een hogere rang soldaat .. ik doe het graag, ben van plan naar mijn studie naar Turkije te verhuizen, als militair kan je veel contacten in de zakenwereld leren kennen.
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@3choBlaster Je bent dus zo eentje met een grote mond die geen dienstplicht heeft gedaan... wat een verassing. De omstandigheden en je eigen kijk boeit mij dus veder echt helemaal niks. Je doet me denken aan Newt Gingrich, grote praatjes over oorlog dit en dat maar zelf geen hol gedaan omdat ''een of ander lul verhaal''.
ikweetnietook 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook Wat nou grote mond? Wie heeft hier nou de grote mond man, als je zo pro PKK bent want doe je hier dan nog jonge? Hoezo ben je niet op een van de kandil bergen aan het plannen welke onschuldige mensen je van hun leven gaat beroven?
HAHA wat een idioot, kijk eens in de spiegel voordat je je grote bek open trekt, ik ga er iig heen. Maar niet te vergelijken met jou natuurlijk, de grote internet held en redder van het Koerds volk haha houd je illusies voor je
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook
Pkk flikkertje, je mag opkankeren
kobesaa 4 weeks ago
@kobesaa je moeder was op haar 2e door een groepje koerden verkracht
ikweetnietook 4 weeks ago
@ikweetnietook Poverty rate in Turkey is heavily declining. Wages are going up. There are more Kurds in Istanbul then there are in Diyarbakir, Van and Hakkari combined. (They are still a small minority in Istanbul, which has nearly 17/18 million people. The current government provides "extra" money, tax cuts, and many more extra benefits (of which they already provides allot throughout the country) to people who invest in the east.
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook In dutch news like in most EU news. When they say Turkish they mean someone from TURKEY they don't mention their race. Not to mention that the new law is for people over of 40 something who have worked in EU their whole life and haven't been able to go do their conscription. The Dutch news and government like most tries to assimilate other races (which you don't seem to min here you hypocrite) thus tries to distance them from their roots, or let them appear so.
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook In Turkey Kurd, Zaza, Turk, Armenian, Arab, Gypsy, Chechen, Laz, doesn't matter for the law they are all Turkish citizens and all have the same rights. Can live, work, set up businesses, get married with who they want from any race. In Turkey a Kurd can do EVERYTHING a Turk can legally do.
In Israel Palestinians can't marry Jews, can't have homes, can't walk freely or live where they want, can't start businesses, have different car plates.
STOP comparing the two
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook If I am a hypocrite tell me why, give me sources .. if half of what I said was not true PROVE it .. show to me I'm wrong. Give examples of what I wrote that was not true.
IT IS TRUE.
In Turkey a Kurd can become a general or the president ... in Israel that's impossible for a Palestinian. Kurds in Turkey are in the Army, the Government, the Police, Politics, Parliament, Social services.. in EVERY part of life ..
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@3choBlaster This is such much bullshit I dont even want to comment on. This is simply NOT TRUE.
ikweetnietook 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook The fact is that EVERY group that attacks civilians, civil servants (police), a sovereign and internationally recognized nations military, kidnaps people and teachers, forces civilians to pay taxes to fund a war against a government AKA effectively uses fear (TERROR) to further their cause is a "TERRORIST"
PKK does ALL if that, they are the DEFINITION of TERRORIST. They "claim" to fight for the Kurds, but they mostly fight Kurds and most people who die are Kurdish.
3choBlaster 1 month ago
@ikweetnietook First of all it wasn't close to 5000, second of all that happened in the fucking 90's move along already you fucking retard. The whole fucking reason this happeneed was because of the PKK. If the pkk wasn't active there the region wouldn't have to be militarized. But that's all in the past now. Kurds have their cultural rights and they already had equality. Funny thing, it happened under a KURDISH president.Turgut Ozal. You dumb idiot.
3choBlaster 2 weeks ago
Two problems with your analysis:
1. The MAVI MARMARA was manned by activists from the IHH which has recognized connections with Hamas, Al-Qaida and other groups considered by many to be terror organizations. They were warned not to break the blockade, and Israel had good reason to suspect it was transporting weapons to Gaza.
2. Why are you criticizing Lieberman? Mr. Erdogan supports Hamas and even met with Ismail Haniyeh a few days ago. How do you know Turkish money doesn't buy arms for Hamas
ilanysong 2 months ago
@ilanysong He is probably a fascist himself.. He simply angles the arguments in favor of Turkey.
bbengin 1 month ago
madness? ... THIS IS SPARTAA!
hiwar12345 2 months ago
And I don't care about your patriotism either. I was just talking about the obvious potential Mexico has. I already gave you my reasons. You just said that Turkey has a bigger army. Sorry to disappoint you but yes, México has more potential than turkey. It doesn't have any enemies. Turkey has, that's why you spend so much on military power. That's your fault. And don't ever expect to get into the European Union. You won't.
FernandoLuis191 2 months ago
this man doesent know what he talks about, also he shows reallity in a very very twisred way.
pure propaganda
daflamer 2 months ago
evomasterryan fuck you and monkey kurds and ısraeli
ı 'LL WORK FOR GREAT TURKEY ....
sperm756 2 months ago
With the Arab Spring Israel is the most isolated then its ever been, lets hope they dont leave it too late before they realize their mistake
indaks007 2 months ago
israel is sealing it's fate, the citizens must do something.
kespec 2 months ago
maybe Hatay should be given back to the Syrians (most of them are Arabs)... Would that please Israel?
nmgscp 2 months ago
@nmgscp Hatay is mostly Turkish, the Arabs are a minority. When we annexed Hatay the people voted yes in a referendum .. we did not take it by military means.
Source: I'm Turkish and know a LOT of people from Hatay
3choBlaster 2 months ago
Thats why I love Cenk. Even though he is a Turkish American citizen. He can critise Turkey and when time comes, he can say things that needs to be said.
Cenk I love you so much. (in heterosexual boundaries)
Go TYT
MrDenocan 2 months ago
@MrDenocan homophobe...
shotsky94 2 months ago
This fool talks about PKK terrorists, while he loves Hamas (even worse than PKK). Also Turkey is STILL occupying Cyprus. NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD SUPPORTS THIS. Cenk Uyguy is a wolf in sheepclothes, who loves a sheep in wolfclothes (Recep Erdogan).
HatovimLeTayis 2 months ago
FUCK TURKEY !!!! AND TURKS
evomasterryan 2 months ago
@evomasterryan FUCK YOU AND YOUR GRANDMA AT GRAVE
nightlordofeden 2 months ago
PKK are not terrorists they have a right to defend there self from Turkish murders, Free Kurdistan from England
cpsuperbrain 3 months ago
@cpsuperbrain R U sleeping ? PKK is listed a terrorist organisation by US, EU and Turkey.Their biggest source of finance is drug trafficking.
nec123tr 3 months ago
@cpsuperbrain Thank you :)
ikweetnietook 1 month ago
isreal is a terrorist state..supporting terrorists in turkey now ??..not surprising at all.
konfoshios 3 months ago
@konfoshios
Liebermann is only ONE person (a russian immigrant to Israel)...so dont speak as if every Israeli said this...
tausendstein 3 months ago
@tausendstein
thats not what i meant...i know most israelis are good and against such stupid actions....when i said israel i didnt mean the people, i meant the policy.
konfoshios 3 months ago
you mean meat eater terrorists!
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earnmoneyify 3 months ago
i love the young turks news show but hate their politics.
camden9890 3 months ago
As Norman Finkelstein said, "Israel is a Lunatic State." End Zionism, and things will be much, much, much better for everyone in the Middle East, and around the world. There is a big difference between Judaism and Zionism. Look it up.
davd1986 4 months ago
turkey said it wants to MILITARY secure flotillas going to the Gaza strip, who's threatening with war? it also said Israel should lift up the siege from Gaza, like we are trying to help the pkk as much as they want to help Hamas! you biast!! erdogan also said Israel should return part of their land and give to the Palestinians. if compare reasons at list be equal about it you young fuck!
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sulaymaniboy 4 months ago
pkk is not terrorist edut they are fighting for them land
SuperMusleh 4 months ago
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portalice2 4 months ago
The entire reason those 9 turks were killed is because they were jihadists trying to run a military blockade. The entire point of running the blockade is to smuggle supplies in to Gaza to attack and terrorize Israel. The ultimate goal - as stated openly and often by muslims is the destruction of israel
So Turkey is directly supporting terrorism against Israel, with the goal of its destruction
This is a little more than just suggesting armenians (who suffered genocide by Turkey) to leave Turkey
berenjervin 4 months ago
I am an Israeli soldier and I'm voting for liberman next year!
vitalodion 4 months ago
its not Because i am Kurdish i say this:
Lieberman sayed this because he see
that the Anti semetic ERDOGAN sponcers Hizbollah and Al qaida with the 'New Islamic Union''
Also google Abdullah gul New world Order
Turkey you wil burn your fingers, The fingers you put on the Kurds
fenersevedien 4 months ago
@johnedwards1968 lawls its ok for all the other muslims to endorse terrorism but as soon as the jews do it is the fuking worst thing ever
FunGunsJared 4 months ago
@FunGunsJared Of course it's not alright for muslims to endorse terrorism, and neither is it ok for jews to. In fact it's a morally equivalency that people should have no respect for. Are you suggesting that 2 wrongs make a right?
johnedwards1968 4 months ago
@johnedwards1968
No, I think he was referring to the chronic condemnation of israel for resisting islamic jihad and terrorism as a tactic of jihad. Muslims are killing people every day in multiple terrorism attacks world wide - and the media says nothing. As soon as muslims stage an attack and can make it look like aggression, the whole world goes ape shit on Israel
He was referring to the blatant double standard.
berenjervin 4 months ago
@berenjervin OMG. Are you really being serious here? Even when Israel partners with terrorists, you still manage to blame Muslims?
Your kind of bigotry is unacceptable, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Is there anything that Israel could do which you would condemn? Believe it or not, reverse racism is STILL racism.
johnedwards1968 4 months ago
@johnedwards1968
Dont confuse "Israel COULD partner with terrorists" with "Israel does partner with terrorists".
>Your kind of bigotry is unacceptable
Bullshit - its not bigotry, and its long overdue. If muslims in this part of the world want to be treated better, they need to start treating others better.
And chronic terrorism, child suicide bombers, the constant crowing for genocide, and the preoccupation of the destruction of israel is getting old.
You should be ashamed.
berenjervin 4 months ago
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@johnedwards1968
>Your kind of bigotry is unacceptable
And further, I dont need your acceptance to form rational opinions based on whats going on.
If you dont like what I'm saying, perhaps you should stop supporting religious teachings based on intolerance, hate, and violence against others.
The only question that matters, is are you just ignorant, or do you actually support islamic terrorism?
berenjervin 4 months ago
@berenjervin this makes no sense you still seem to be dancing around the plain fact that there is a double standard within the media. also this is not bigotry is any way shape or form because these things are happening islamic terrorism has been happening around the world for the a long time you are basically denying this FACT when was the last time the jews straped a bomb to the chest of a child or hijacked a plane think about it numb nuts
FunGunsJared 3 months ago
@FunGunsJared
>there is a double standard within the media
Yes there is. This double standard becomes painfully obvious to anyone that takes the time to educate themselves on the topic, rather than just listening to the media.
>you are basically denying this FACT
I'm not denying this fact. Its is one of the things I am pointing out.
>when was the last time the jews straped a bomb to the chest of a child
I've never heard of this happening. Not once
Did you respond to the correct person?
berenjervin 3 months ago
@johnedwards1968 no im saying that theyoung turks are creating a double standard within their reporting by ignoring all the facts about how mostly every muslim country is endorsing terrorism and right when the jews do it its the biggest sin ever
FunGunsJared 3 months ago
fuck israel
Annihilate3275 4 months ago
FREE KURDISTAN!!!!!!
rachelgolem 4 months ago
@rachelgolem in your dreams!, dream more
Turkyildiz991 4 months ago
during the last week more than 100 men,women,children,teachers were killed by PKK (as some viewers refer to as freedom fighters) in the southeast of Turkey.And Turkish foreign minister said these terrorist groups get support from a certain country...training units and weapons etc..I wonder which country he referred to
murat19751979 4 months ago
the are not terrorist the freedom fighters
biji kurdistan
jacypinkcapoeira 4 months ago
Once Cenk videos were 2% correct - he's not even that far.
Turkey started fight by sending the flotilla to aid the terrorist organization, Hamas. They refused to accept the UN findings that Gaza blockade is legal and Israel's regret for loss of life. Rather, Turkey opted to say they will send their NAVY ESCORT + POLITICIANS on next flotilla!
And Cenk, why not have an independent Kurdistan? The Kurds have been left out while world looks only at Palestinians. East Turkey+ N. Iraq = Kurdistan
firstonethrough 4 months ago
Turkey or current Turkish ruler is supporting and promoting Hamas by all means.
The whole bloodshed was organized by Turkish government
Recently Erdogan called Hams a "legitimate political party" I wonder what a soldier of legitimate state is doing in the hands of "legitimate political party"
Anyway knowing the dependency of Turkey on USA (militarily, economically and politically) I thing for Israel its enough to move its friends in Senate and Congress to take some actions
Tomislavv2 4 months ago
this giuy is a dick head lol.
joelkavkaz 4 months ago
Fuck off young bitch Turks.
NawrozNawrozi 4 months ago
Cenk doesn't mention how Turkey bullies Cyprus, Israel and Greece over the natural resource claims in the Mediterranean sea. Cenk is a liberal shitard propagandist and this video is pure and clean evidence .
I love how he has no ill words for erdogan hahaha what a fool .
kavkazip 4 months ago
yo dude turky helps hamas for many years now...wake up retard
eXtreM1111 4 months ago
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keturr45 4 months ago
Now I want to see Junk justify Turkish action in Kurdistan...
Mrparrot73 4 months ago
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yklocnykl 4 months ago
The flotilla was bringing weapons to Hamas.
which excutes gays
guybrr 4 months ago
Antisemite
guybrr 4 months ago
Israel should take back the drones they gave to Turkey. Because turks cant steal land or drones!
Viva Armenia
Viva Israel
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eliasmouawad 4 months ago
Hey asshole , Western Armenia are occupied lands. Just like Cyprus.
Turkey needs a reality check, living on stoilen Armenian lands.
As for the Armenian bitch that work on TYT, what a shame.
ArmoGeorgian 4 months ago
Turkey should stop throwing stones, especially since it still lives in a glass house
They attack Iraqi Kurds, still occupy Cyprus, and WEstern Armenia.
Fuck apology to turkey,
ArmoGeorgian 4 months ago
good on ya mate you said it, I agree with you if israel partner with pkk than we turks should partner with hamas, or any other freedom fighters that fight against agresor and invader israel,but i believe israel some how openly or behind scenes will help pkk or any other ways to cause trouble for turkey.let me remind you guys saying said by israelies I 4 I,Tooth 4 a tooth,us turks we should seek 2 i'S 4 1 i & their 32 teeth for our 1 tooth.if israel or liberman should seek blood.
AdnannNezihi 4 months ago
This is so annoying: While Turkey indeed sides with the IHH and other terrorists, we can THREATEN to side with terrorists. We can THREATEN to bomb stuff. We can THREATEN to attack with no reason. But no one will ever take our threats seriously. Why? because we're Jews. We don't do that.
TheEEStudent 4 months ago
@TheEEStudent killing those people was a terrible choice and it was also an international relations disaster.
aporia82 4 months ago
@aporia82 Nobody told them to try to abduct a soldier.
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@TheEEStudent We are talking about the Israeli commandos which were trained to fight in the hardest battles, don't you think this scenario of abduction is very simple? besides it's based on such findings like a few bread knifes and plastic chairs. I wonder how these commandos would fight in a battle ? Together with that the state killed them on the international waters which was out of the israeli control. You still support the injustice ?
aporia82 4 months ago
@aporia82 I don't see any injustice. First, it is completely legal to intercept vessels who try to infringe an international blockade in international waters, by the San Remo maritime laws. Second, on this ship there were at least 50 IHH activists who charged the incoming soldiers, attempted to abduct one of them hence forcing the rest to draw their real guns instead of the paintball ones. In a "real battle" soldiers aren't restricted to paintball guns, when charged by 50 terrorists.
TheEEStudent 4 months ago
@TheEEStudent IHH (Humanitarian Aid Organization in Turkish) is a civilian organization even though your media depicts them as terrorists.Together with that there were also many American and European activists on the ship, according to your theory they were also terrorists, huh?Besides, due to the NATO and UN defence treaties two members states can not attack each other without an official NATO or UN decision taken by majority votes. Attacking a NATO/UN member and killing civilians: injusitce!
aporia82 4 months ago
@aporia82 This means I need to repeat: In a "real battle" soldiers aren't restricted to paintball guns, when charged by 50 terrorists. This wasn't a "real battle" nor was it an attack against Turkey but an interception of a vessel trying to infiltrate a legal international blockade. The IHH activists were wearing gas masks and hitting the soldiers with Iron rods. Not very civilian of them. But still our soldiers tried to be civil, until the "civilian activists" tried to abduct one of them.
TheEEStudent 4 months ago
@TheEEStudent A legal international blockade? UN declared the blockade a violation of human rights. secondly if you kill the citizens of a country that means you attack the country, that is 'casus belli' for the international law. thirdly all they had was bread knifes, plastic chairs and a few gas masks against the tear gas. paintball guns? as far as I remember minimum 200 bullet holes were found on the ship.what happened was wrong, very simple.
aporia82 4 months ago
@aporia82 The Palmer commission of the UN has declared the blockade "LEGAL" and that is enough. It doesn't matter what other UN cocktail parties acting out of their jurisdiction on this matter (such as the human rights council, previously headed by.. Libya, currently headed by Uruguay, not very humane places and whose mandate doesn't have anything to do with maritime law) might say about the issue. And yes, thanks for reminding it - they also attacked the soldiers with knives.
TheEEStudent 4 months ago
@aporia82
>secondly if you kill the citizens of a country that means you attack the country
And a direct implication of this statement is that Turkey - as a result of its support for the IHH and Hamas - is attacking Israel, so Israel's actions are justified self defence.
What happened was islamic jihadists trying to break a military blockade were killed.
If you say that was wrong, then you are really saying you support terrorism.
berenjervin 4 months ago
@berenjervin have u ever read anyhing about the international laws?I mean if the soldiers of a state kills the citizens of another one that is 'casus belli'.The victim state has the right to declare war.IHH is a civilian organization.that doesn't count.Dude Turkey is a NATO member for 50 years,it doesn't have the luxury to support the jihadists or the hamas.Besides Turkes is a secular democracy if the government found guilty of supporting any terrorist group,they have to resign and go to prison.
aporia82 4 months ago
@aporia82
>The victim state has the right to declare war
Not if those citizens are engaging in illegal or terrorist activities, which is exactly what the IHH was doing.
>IHH is a civilian organization.that doesn't count
Fine, then dont count it. My point was you cant have it both ways.
The simple fact is Turkey is directly supporting terrorism against Israel, which CAN BE interpreted as an act of war.
berenjervin 4 months ago
@aporia82
Who cares how long Turkey as been in NATO - if its becoming a jihad supporting state, it should be turfed from NATO (AND the UN imo).
>it doesn't have the luxury to support the jihadists or the hamas
Yet thats exactly what its doing, and hasnt been forced to resign, so your point is moot.
Turkey kills Iraqi kurds all the time - why isnt that an act of war if what you say is true?
berenjervin 4 months ago
@berenjervin *Approaching uneducated faggot*
No sir, Turkey most certainly does not support Jihadists, which dumbass parent thought you that?
Obvious rage comment is obvious.
Yes Turkey kills Iraqi Kurds, a.k.a PKK'ers, act of war against who? We're already in war with PKK'ers, who are you talking about? Which country? I don't see any country that is being treathened by this.
iAnimeMoments 4 months ago
@iAnimeMoments
You might want to follow along with the conversation to find out what its about before jumping in with comments.
Turkey does, in fact support jihadists. Not only did it make diplomatic decisions in solidarity with jihadists that were killed attacking IDF, they are threatening military action, have cancelled agreements with Israel, and is sending yet another flotilla trying to break the blockade so jihadists can continue with terrorism against Israel.
berenjervin 4 months ago
@iAnimeMoments
Having said that, which dumbass parent told you threatening military action because some loser terrorists got killed isnt supporting terrorism?
PKKer's are Iraqi citizens. And if you had of bothered reading the conversation before opening the pie hole, you would have seen why it was even brought up.
Its not about education, its about moral values. I oppose the jihadists who feel justified in killing people to spread islam, and you dont.
berenjervin 4 months ago
@berenjervin Note: I'm not the same person you argued with before, arse.
I don't support jihadists either, nor Hamas, nor any other terrorist organization.
"Loser terrorists got killed isnt supporting terrorism" I hope you're not reffering to the flotilla incident, because that's the main reason why Israel should get the fuck out of the Earth.
PKKer's aren't iraqi citizens, you idiot. /facepalm. Proves how uneducated you are.
PKKer's are -trying- to build their own country, with Turkey's land
iAnimeMoments 4 months ago
@iAnimeMoments
Ya you arent the same person - you just picked up where they left off with the exact same line of reasoning. In fact, if the name didnt change, I'd swear you were the same person.
Ya ya, you dont support hamas, you just support their ideology, their same claim that defending against terrorism is terrorism, and martrys for islam are just peaceful people minding their own business.
PKKer's are -trying- to build their own country, with Turkey's land
You mean, like palestinians?
berenjervin 4 months ago
@berenjervin I'm not the same person, nor did I read the bullshitty things you both talked about, but ironic isn't it? We both said the same things, as you said, your little brain should have a light burning now "Ohh, they might be right!" but ofcourse you're a jew, and even tho the whole world knows you're wrong, you think you're right. Pathetic.
I surely don't support Hamas, what makes you think that? You keep coming back with that stupid nonsense of yours, pathetic aswell.
iAnimeMoments 4 months ago
@iAnimeMoments
So you didnt read what was said, but you just magically stepped in and carried the conversation, and also magically knew what was said and thought what I said was "shitty"?
What other tall tales do you have for me?
>We both said the same things
Yea - you both expressed the same flawed opinion that Turkey's threat of military action to support a terrorist organization somehow isnt supporting terrorism.
Do you think insults makes you "more right"? Or just shows your character?
berenjervin 4 months ago