Prometheus was not "crucified" for the sins of mankind. He was punished for his own rebellion and disobedience to Zeus. Technically he wasn't crucified, either. He was chained to a rock and had his liver eaten every day only to regenerate since he was immortal. Not every death and resurrection deity is the same. This is a very common mistake in these types of videos. At best it oversimplifies the myth to the point of producing erroneous beliefs about it.
Thanks for mirroring this. I emailed PCA politely asking them to fight ideas with ideas rather than resorting to unethical and illegal methods to censor dissent.
Falsely DMCA'ing someone for simply providing clips of a debate that's unquestionably available on other sites? The material isn't even copyrighted, and even if it were it falls on completely legal grounds and is acceptable for one to submit snippets/clips/or parts of a televised show for peer-review and open discussion. What a lousy and disingenuous attempt at religion to censor free-inquiry and criticism for the sake of maintaining their status. How unfortunate that the DMCA backfired on them.
What do you expect from the cousins of the chimpanzee? We are in the 21 century and we still drag this garbage we call religion along with us. I guess we need something to take the place of our now missing tale. haha
@NotSoOldHippy Are you kidding me? Isn't it awesome that Prestonwood Christian Academy decided to DMCA the video? Since Prestonwood Christian Academy wants to take away our freedom of speech, we have every right to take away their freedom of religion. I say we let them keep their videos, but we get to ban Christianity from Texas.
@PicklePumpers I disagree; dealing with ID from an academic perspective is necessary and gives good results. Notice in Behe's article, he basically admits most evolution - all I would say, since his definition of irreducible complexity cannot be found in nature.
Unmasking of Dembski is best done in serious debate that doesn't rely on the presumption of malice.
Logically you're wrong. Nothing is forcing you to assume me disingenuous.
@PicklePumpers I did not make any claim about rationalism, btu I do think that a dialogue with him can be constructive. There is nothing in what I wrote that supports your interpretation. Now, the reasonable thing would be to simply say 'no, you did not write Dembski was rational or irrational'. So that is what I think you should do.
@PicklePumpers The kind of reasoning that assumes malice when the other refuses to see reason is something I typically associate with creationism, which sees evolutionism as a kind of evil.
You call me disingenuous and assume I think Dembski can 'take on board' rational arguments. What's to say? Dembski is wrong on a number of counts, he selectively applies rational arguments. Your depiction of what I actually wrote is identifiably wrong, and I think you should admit that.
Again, I am not defending Dembski, because I don't think he's right. The book he co-edited with Michael Ruse, however, offers a better way of engaging in dialogue with ID than Aronra applies. This is not because of a lack of critique - read Pennock's article for some pretty serious accusations. But there is a large and obvious difference in quality of arguments, and Aronra would do well to take a hint.
We should not think that we can make Dembski change his mind, or be proven right in front of some independent tribunal. However, to produce a set of articles that give the best arguments both sides have to offer is the method that most assures that in the end expert and lay audience will be swayed by the reason of the arguments, rather than by heavy-handed retorics. We need Dembski to write his articles, or the strength of 'our side' would be far less. We need to take Dembski seriously.
I was at this debate. I saw Dembski get Hitchslapped over and over again. AronRa is right, Dembski sidestepped everyone of Hitchens' points and just kept trying to disprove evolution, and in turn, disprove atheism, even though one does not need to be an atheist to accept evolution or accept evolution to be an atheist.
@PicklePumpers So I assume you do not know the book and do not know about Ruse's work.
Your point is taken, but I wasn't referring to Aronra's factual analysis about Dembski or to Dembski himself. Rather, my point is that the repeated tag 'liar' is not fitting in a rational debate. I'm sure there are good reasons to refer to Dembski like that, but Aronra still shouldn't do it.
It's hard to understand why someone would still disagree even when presented with all the facts, but it happens.
Are the 4 letters on top of the cross, DMCA? Seems to be all the simple bastards do. Censoring a man dying of cancer...I didn't think religion could sink much lower, but clearly I was wrong.
Did Dembski secretly hope he could manipulate Hitchens into belief because he's dying? How wretched, is too wretched?
When I just logged on at about 1:30 PM (Sat. 12/11/2010), this where I first noticed that AronRa and GreatBigBore made a video about a famous debate. At the same time, I noticed that many users mirror this video.
The title and description of this and most other mirrored videos said that the original video from those 2 users were taken down by DMCAs. THIS IS A REALLY stupid thing that this happened!
@PicklePumpers There has been some quite constructive dialogue with Dembski - check out the book he co-edited with Michael Ruse, 'Debating Design', for an example. You do know Ruse, I assume?
Aronra uses the word 'lie' too easily. It might give him an applause from those who support him, but doesn't help in a scientific debate. If Dembski is disingenuous, and I'm not saying he isn't, that will become clear to the listener through the facts, not through repetition of the word.
Aronra has got to be the smartest person on earth (and in orbit around it, unless there are ET's in orbit that I am unaware of, and that they are probably individuals (whether we'd call them a person or not) that are probably smarter than Aronra, but short of that, I don't think there is).
Those who do not learn the mistake from history bound to repeat it. And one only have to look into recent history to know that abusing DMCA is a fatal mistake...
A debate between Christopher Hitchens and William Dembski is like a debate between Stephen Hawking and Jessica Simpson. Why did Hitchens even validate that pathetic professional liars existence by agreeing to a debate??
Btw, nice job with the DCMA cowardly Christians; just look at the right of your screen to see what the results were.
Once again, Christians show that they themselves are just as much the sinners they claim we are. They knowingly abuse laws and lie in order to censor opponents, because they have no argument, and they have to protect their precious desert hobgoblin, because he can't protect himself.
interesting that these dmca claims are really starting to work against the parties that file them. I am subscribed to dprjones but i don't watch every video for anyone i am subscribed to on youtube. however, any mention of 'mirrors' or dmca in the title and my interest automatically peaks ensuring that i tune in. i wonder how long it will be until groups like the PCA realize that their dmca claims are actually assisting the mythical 'atheist agenda'.
The irony is of course that when you falsely DMCA a vieo on youtube, it automatially becomes more prominent and visible than ever before. The people will not abide liars and fraudsters!
According to Demski, apparently, POPE John Paul II didn't believe in God (I love tossing that guy out there when people (especially Catholics) say that Christians don't believe evolution)
It's great to see Hitchens up and debating again. This is a slap in the face to all of those who think atheists we'll suddenly turn christian when convenient. It's more complicated than that, friends! They actually think God gives Cancer to non-believers to turn them back to him before they die, as if showing evidence of his existence is so hard for him that he'd rather give you cancer first. Some people just don't THINK!
They did it again? Prestonwood did this to another user just the other day. They're going to be in some very serious legal trouble when this gets cleared up. I strongly suggest pursuing the issue if possible.
So I presume the Prestonwood Christian Academy outright said they filed the DMCA notice. Just want to make sure, aftthey all when Halcyon's video was removed they said either Thunderfoot or his supporters did it. Just checking to be sure,
As someone that used to go to PCA, its actions on YouTube are not at all a surprise to me. The administrators of PCA were some of the most hypocritical and dishonest people to ever walk the earth.
Wow, we only say what we observe for ourselves. And creationists get all offended. If anything THEY would go to hell, if it existed that is. You definitely wouldn't be a physical entity anymore. So that makes the danger of flames like.. non-existent, right? Fire can only damage physical objects. >=D
How the hell are supernatural forces supposed to be natural forces? Doesn't this dumbass understand that ancient cultures didn't view nature the same way modern people do? They had no real understanding of the natural world, only superstitions. Gods, goddesses, spirits, metaphors and religious symbolism such as the cosmic egg all have nothing to do with atheism. Shouldn't the fact that these things come from ancient myths make it very clear that they are not related to science? Dumbass
Honestly, I used to play youth football. When my team's league were facing troubles we had to, for one season, join with the prestonwood baptist league (yes they have multiple youth football teams who face against each other). When my team went up against theirs, they told us to stop scoring any more points because while our team had 54 they had none. prestonwood baptist is a scary organization.
Man I've really got to subscribe to AronRa now. I don't know why I haven't before. I've seen him appear as a guest along with others' videos on their channels.
@AntiFaithNY I was with you until the youtube anti-atheism conspiracy crap. Youtube is under legal obligation to take down anything that is flagged as DMCA - even if it is not. That is the law, that is not youtubes choice. The videos are allowed to be put up after a DMCA hearing confirms it wasn't an illegal use. Talk to your politician if you think that's crap - I did - but it's certainly not a youtube conspiracy.
This community needs a benchmark case against these illegal dmca's so as to warn against doing it. Although i kind of like it as it shows they lose on every level.
People forget that removing a video or a comment, or blocking or ignoring a user on this forum can often tell an uncomfortable amount more about the person doing it than the person they are trying to silence.
Starting a debate with a logical fallacy, is a bit like starting your trip to Mars by digging a hole on Earth... stupid and pointless, and gets you no closer to your goal, in fact further away. And , it makes the rest of the debate painful.
The only problem i have with AronRa's video is that he categorizes Dembski's statements as lying when I'm convinced that he really is that dense that he's convinced what he's saying is true - that's not lying, but it is a true presentation of stupidity
@symelian Lie does not only mean saying something you know is not true as true, it also means saying something you do not know is true is true. He says these things under the guise that he knows, with the intent of get people to believe what he says, when he does not know and in many instances is provably wrong. That is lying.
@AllenQuatermain2de So you're telling me that if I said 90,000 people died during the korean war, that would not be a lie? For the sake of this argument, I admit that I am completely ignorant when it comes to the korean war and have no idea how many people died during it. How is me saying 90,000 people died during it not a lie, even if it turns out to be true? Also, there's more than 2 definitions, furthermore, the wording still fits it anyway. He's giving the wrong impression that he knows.
@Pinworm4 exactly, if you make a claim about something of which you realize you know nothing about then it shows a lack of integrity, not a lack of honesty, given the fact that you still have no idea that it is or isn't true. it is only when you know that its false that it becomes a lie.
he is giving the impression that he knows, if this is because he really believes that he DOES then it is not a lie. personally i have my doubt about this but theres really no way to tell the difference.
@Pinworm4 you said it - when he "doesn't know". When he thinks he knows - when he has no intention to deceive - then it's not lying - then he's just making an untrue statement ....- lying implies the intent to deceive - that's all
And with regards to Dembski - you have only two options - either he's intentionally deceiving (lying) - or he's a dumbass that really thinks the crap he's peddling is true - in which case he's insane ...
i will be e-mailing prestonwood christian academy in solidarity with the rest of you who already have. what they've done is a typical sneaky, gutless, anti-free speech maneuvre by christians to silence as much criticism of their vile religion as they can. but what else can you expect from people who believe in thoughtcrime?
I have submitted an e-mail to the contact email address of Prestonwood Christian Academy, expressing my gratitude for their actions that reaffirm my hypothesis that creationists are frequently ill-informed, dishonest and irrational.
It always amazes me how creationists almost ALWAYS assume Atheist base their belief on Evolution. Even if you literally state your Atheism HAS NOTHING TO DO with Evolution, they will still insist to argue against Atheism by trying to debunk Evolution.
Don't you tube actually check to see weather or not the DMCA is valid? or do they just take it down with no investigation? Sounds very fishy to me as clearly there is no case for these being taken down. Thanks dpr for keeping the videos up.
@Draylath to cover their asses, when a DMCA is filed against a video, youtube automatically takes it down. it's fucked up, but i can understand why they do it.
How does the dmca thing work? Was this copyrighted material? And I thought you could post someone elses video and make a commentary on it without that being a copyright infringement. If I ever make youtube videos, I need to know the rules. I don't.
@danielkyleh - it's copyright protected material, but republication of copyright protected material is allowed under the fair use exception. Newsworthy items can be republished like this in comment, discussion, criticism, etc. in a non-commercial manner. The underlying rationale of this rule is that the public benefits from your review, which is enhanced by including some of the copyrighted material.
It's good to see something new about Hitchens. Still fighting in spite of the cancer! I don't see how a dmca can hold up against this video. The material is used for critique. That's fair use, right?
People who deny evolution are blasphemers. God, whatever he/she/it may be, couldn't have made it any clearer to us how it was done, without spelling it out in all caps using the stars.
Reject the natural evidence and you reject God. ('Course, it's true a god isn't necessary as an explanation - but if there is a god, evolution was his obvious method of choice. Get over it.)
Its amazing that Dembski actually said evolution was just like the old Creation myths in front of a room full of people he knows believe in Genesis lol
I have also just mirrored this video, more people should do the same. Until false flaggers realize that by trying to censor videos means they get more widespread then they will not learn their lesson.
They should either learn to critique a video in an honest logical way or simply do not watch or comment on it. But do not infringe on anyone else's right to form their own opinion by having it unjustly removed, because it doesn't work.
As far as the fossil record goes; a creature becoming fossilized is an extremely difficult event that requires certain conditions, barely anything that dies becomes fossilized so naturally the fossil record is incomplete and always will be.
Theists are really hating youtube. It's begining to give them a pinch.
bornagainanathiest 1 month ago
Prometheus was not "crucified" for the sins of mankind. He was punished for his own rebellion and disobedience to Zeus. Technically he wasn't crucified, either. He was chained to a rock and had his liver eaten every day only to regenerate since he was immortal. Not every death and resurrection deity is the same. This is a very common mistake in these types of videos. At best it oversimplifies the myth to the point of producing erroneous beliefs about it.
rifter0x0000 1 month ago
This is too easy.... Go home Billy Dumbsky and get a new name from yor mommy while your at it.
kyebean 9 months ago
someone really should teach these people about the Streisand Effect
Zarathustratosphere 9 months ago
How the hell was this video flagged its a critisism of the church not an ad hominem attack.
seonidh 11 months ago
I think I might sign that church up for a bunch of gay porn! Who's with me?
InfidelAvenger 1 year ago 3
I just sent PCA hate mail. assholes.
yogurtking 1 year ago
Thanks for mirroring this. I emailed PCA politely asking them to fight ideas with ideas rather than resorting to unethical and illegal methods to censor dissent.
DharmaLogos 1 year ago
Somewhere on PCA's website it says "get the word out about us." Believe me, I will...
kingjoe99 1 year ago 2
Fucking Christian shitpiles. Most Christians HATE freedom of speech, Democracy, and truth.
NotSoOldHippy 1 year ago 15
Falsely DMCA'ing someone for simply providing clips of a debate that's unquestionably available on other sites? The material isn't even copyrighted, and even if it were it falls on completely legal grounds and is acceptable for one to submit snippets/clips/or parts of a televised show for peer-review and open discussion. What a lousy and disingenuous attempt at religion to censor free-inquiry and criticism for the sake of maintaining their status. How unfortunate that the DMCA backfired on them.
TheBeleaguer 1 year ago
Lol I love how the trolls are afraid to touch this one.
mmmmmarcus 1 year ago
What do you expect from the cousins of the chimpanzee? We are in the 21 century and we still drag this garbage we call religion along with us. I guess we need something to take the place of our now missing tale. haha
spectrumglare 1 year ago
For those that believe no explanation is necessary.
For those who do not, none will suffice.
Joseph Dunninger
BigBadDaddy0 1 year ago
watch?v=Uhye_9Dm_T4&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Kousaburo 1 year ago
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RockwellPorter 1 year ago
Could you imagine being Dembski's father? You are an evolutionary biologist and your son turns out to be that! Jeez....lol
Akhotnik 1 year ago
@Akhotnik
That's a good point ! I bet when their together they talk sports to keep from slapping each other.
spectrumglare 1 year ago
Fucking Christian shitpies. They HATE it when the truth slugs them in their fucking cult face.
NotSoOldHippy 1 year ago
@NotSoOldHippy Are you kidding me? Isn't it awesome that Prestonwood Christian Academy decided to DMCA the video? Since Prestonwood Christian Academy wants to take away our freedom of speech, we have every right to take away their freedom of religion. I say we let them keep their videos, but we get to ban Christianity from Texas.
DanceInYourRoom 1 year ago 3
@PicklePumpers I disagree; dealing with ID from an academic perspective is necessary and gives good results. Notice in Behe's article, he basically admits most evolution - all I would say, since his definition of irreducible complexity cannot be found in nature.
Unmasking of Dembski is best done in serious debate that doesn't rely on the presumption of malice.
Logically you're wrong. Nothing is forcing you to assume me disingenuous.
Lingula77 1 year ago
@PicklePumpers I did not make any claim about rationalism, btu I do think that a dialogue with him can be constructive. There is nothing in what I wrote that supports your interpretation. Now, the reasonable thing would be to simply say 'no, you did not write Dembski was rational or irrational'. So that is what I think you should do.
Lingula77 1 year ago
@PicklePumpers The kind of reasoning that assumes malice when the other refuses to see reason is something I typically associate with creationism, which sees evolutionism as a kind of evil.
You call me disingenuous and assume I think Dembski can 'take on board' rational arguments. What's to say? Dembski is wrong on a number of counts, he selectively applies rational arguments. Your depiction of what I actually wrote is identifiably wrong, and I think you should admit that.
Lingula77 1 year ago
(cont.)
Again, I am not defending Dembski, because I don't think he's right. The book he co-edited with Michael Ruse, however, offers a better way of engaging in dialogue with ID than Aronra applies. This is not because of a lack of critique - read Pennock's article for some pretty serious accusations. But there is a large and obvious difference in quality of arguments, and Aronra would do well to take a hint.
Lingula77 1 year ago
(cont.)
We should not think that we can make Dembski change his mind, or be proven right in front of some independent tribunal. However, to produce a set of articles that give the best arguments both sides have to offer is the method that most assures that in the end expert and lay audience will be swayed by the reason of the arguments, rather than by heavy-handed retorics. We need Dembski to write his articles, or the strength of 'our side' would be far less. We need to take Dembski seriously.
Lingula77 1 year ago
I was at this debate. I saw Dembski get Hitchslapped over and over again. AronRa is right, Dembski sidestepped everyone of Hitchens' points and just kept trying to disprove evolution, and in turn, disprove atheism, even though one does not need to be an atheist to accept evolution or accept evolution to be an atheist.
TheBarkingAtheist 1 year ago
@PicklePumpers So I assume you do not know the book and do not know about Ruse's work.
Your point is taken, but I wasn't referring to Aronra's factual analysis about Dembski or to Dembski himself. Rather, my point is that the repeated tag 'liar' is not fitting in a rational debate. I'm sure there are good reasons to refer to Dembski like that, but Aronra still shouldn't do it.
It's hard to understand why someone would still disagree even when presented with all the facts, but it happens.
Lingula77 1 year ago
@Lingula77
I'm guessing Aronra kept referring to Dembski as a liar because, well, he lied. Multiple times, knowingly.
SteveTabernacle 1 year ago
@SteveTabernacle I don't dispute Aronra's factual analysis of Dembski.
Lingula77 1 year ago
87 mirrors of AronRa's video so far. Damn, the cult must really hate that.
Desertphile 1 year ago 3
Are the 4 letters on top of the cross, DMCA? Seems to be all the simple bastards do. Censoring a man dying of cancer...I didn't think religion could sink much lower, but clearly I was wrong.
Did Dembski secretly hope he could manipulate Hitchens into belief because he's dying? How wretched, is too wretched?
StarvinMarvin6 1 year ago
Religions are dying, superstitious fools are getting really desperate.
We have a long way ahead of us as we try to end all religions, muslims are going to be a tough nut to crack.
bary1234 1 year ago
When I just logged on at about 1:30 PM (Sat. 12/11/2010), this where I first noticed that AronRa and GreatBigBore made a video about a famous debate. At the same time, I noticed that many users mirror this video.
The title and description of this and most other mirrored videos said that the original video from those 2 users were taken down by DMCAs. THIS IS A REALLY stupid thing that this happened!
mbarrera47 1 year ago
@PicklePumpers There has been some quite constructive dialogue with Dembski - check out the book he co-edited with Michael Ruse, 'Debating Design', for an example. You do know Ruse, I assume?
Aronra uses the word 'lie' too easily. It might give him an applause from those who support him, but doesn't help in a scientific debate. If Dembski is disingenuous, and I'm not saying he isn't, that will become clear to the listener through the facts, not through repetition of the word.
Lingula77 1 year ago
pwned!
Dprj0mes 1 year ago
I don't think it's a good idea of aronra to designate everything he can refute automatically as a 'lie'. This gets in the way of discussion.
Lingula77 1 year ago
argh I really wanted to mirror this as well but I cant download the video from the link
CrystalEye736 1 year ago
when will they learn that censoring atheists doesn't work.
willardftw 1 year ago
lol Prestonwood Christian Academy, meet the internet. Fail.
VitaminTMan 1 year ago
david dembski is the name you hear on Napoleon Dynamite.
deepair007 1 year ago
What's fantastic is to the right of this comment there is a sea of mirrors of this video,
♫ Its fun to mess with the D. M. C. A. ♫
123backinyerface 1 year ago
Aronra has got to be the smartest person on earth (and in orbit around it, unless there are ET's in orbit that I am unaware of, and that they are probably individuals (whether we'd call them a person or not) that are probably smarter than Aronra, but short of that, I don't think there is).
veggiescrub 1 year ago
How did Dembski manage to get the status he has? He's inane
CorporalNym 1 year ago 8
Dembski is a metaphysical cripple.
CorporalNym 1 year ago 3
The theist's philosophy toward truth: if you can't beat them, censor them...
Manifestatheist 1 year ago
Don't miss what their goal was---Training children to combat well respected minds and evidence with rubbish, and believe it works. Sickening...
NoNeedForGod 1 year ago 3
@NoNeedForGod good point.
jrev37 1 year ago
I'd rather see the debate itself rather than Aaarons critique.
cristop5 1 year ago
Already mirrored
dechha1981 1 year ago
It is their defense mechanism that backfire...
Those who do not learn the mistake from history bound to repeat it. And one only have to look into recent history to know that abusing DMCA is a fatal mistake...
caseyrainer 1 year ago
As jimbrown257 said below, look to the right of your screen Christians...
Suppression and coercion, once the essential foundation for the spread of your sickness, *No Longer Works*!
What *was* one...
is *now* legion.
TheHatefulDead 1 year ago
If you don't want to be raped, Don't invite Christopher to debate in your church!!!!!!
MrCarbon14 1 year ago
Prometheus wasn't punished for mans sins but his own.
Juel92 1 year ago
A debate between Christopher Hitchens and William Dembski is like a debate between Stephen Hawking and Jessica Simpson. Why did Hitchens even validate that pathetic professional liars existence by agreeing to a debate??
Btw, nice job with the DCMA cowardly Christians; just look at the right of your screen to see what the results were.
jimbrown257 1 year ago 4
why am I not surprise at this dmca?
jrev37 1 year ago
@jrev37
Because religion thrives on the supression of truth.
Or was that a rhetorical question?
jimbrown257 1 year ago 2
@jimbrown257 yep, it was. should've caught that one bro. lol
jrev37 1 year ago
Sciance, hitting you with the hard right of logic, going for the long run KO :D
DavidPrime83 1 year ago
Once again, Christians show that they themselves are just as much the sinners they claim we are. They knowingly abuse laws and lie in order to censor opponents, because they have no argument, and they have to protect their precious desert hobgoblin, because he can't protect himself.
SteveTabernacle 1 year ago 2
interesting that these dmca claims are really starting to work against the parties that file them. I am subscribed to dprjones but i don't watch every video for anyone i am subscribed to on youtube. however, any mention of 'mirrors' or dmca in the title and my interest automatically peaks ensuring that i tune in. i wonder how long it will be until groups like the PCA realize that their dmca claims are actually assisting the mythical 'atheist agenda'.
Cadebenson 1 year ago
Hey dprjones the RS page says:
"Unassigned file limit of 10 downloads reached."
Could you reup it to mediafire or another file host without download limits please?
CartCollector 1 year ago
Thank you Prestonwood for showing that you were not interested in actual discussion, but in selling Demski's books.
ainefairygoddess 1 year ago
The irony is of course that when you falsely DMCA a vieo on youtube, it automatially becomes more prominent and visible than ever before. The people will not abide liars and fraudsters!
TheStigma 1 year ago
The truth is too hard to swallow huh? Not unexpected from christians fundamentalists.
TheStigma 1 year ago
If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
jsmorin 1 year ago
@jsmorin Wise words Obiwan....!
metalskinstudios 1 year ago
Utter cowards. FOR SHAME. You dishonest, deluded a-holes. How DARE you bear false witness!
hiflysi 1 year ago
"o no he didnt" lololol
arga400 1 year ago
According to Demski, apparently, POPE John Paul II didn't believe in God (I love tossing that guy out there when people (especially Catholics) say that Christians don't believe evolution)
OukaKisa 1 year ago
It's great to see Hitchens up and debating again. This is a slap in the face to all of those who think atheists we'll suddenly turn christian when convenient. It's more complicated than that, friends! They actually think God gives Cancer to non-believers to turn them back to him before they die, as if showing evidence of his existence is so hard for him that he'd rather give you cancer first. Some people just don't THINK!
DumbDesign 1 year ago
They did it again? Prestonwood did this to another user just the other day. They're going to be in some very serious legal trouble when this gets cleared up. I strongly suggest pursuing the issue if possible.
Etimos 1 year ago
Fucktarded religious cowards.
d3st88 1 year ago 5
assholes!, aronra's vid was fair use.
technosasquatch 1 year ago 33
So I presume the Prestonwood Christian Academy outright said they filed the DMCA notice. Just want to make sure, aftthey all when Halcyon's video was removed they said either Thunderfoot or his supporters did it. Just checking to be sure,
slicingwater 1 year ago
As someone that used to go to PCA, its actions on YouTube are not at all a surprise to me. The administrators of PCA were some of the most hypocritical and dishonest people to ever walk the earth.
EmoKidsScott 1 year ago
Is it just me or does Dempskey's suits don't fit him?
Not2Sane 1 year ago
@Not2Sane TO me he looked like the coat hanger was still in his jacket.
Dembski so beautifully out of his depthski
CorporalNym 1 year ago
I love how many mirrors there are. Man, that DMCA really backfired on those bastards.
trekgeek1 1 year ago 79
@trekgeek1 it always does
THEBEEF7054 1 year ago
@trekgeek1 ikr...sometimes that encourages me to dmca important videos so that they actually get mirrored and promoted :D
Sciborg09 1 year ago
@trekgeek1 This is the power of the Internet. It establishes the highest degree of democracy ever in history. Just think about Wikileaks.
viharsarok 1 year ago
The problem is we always threaten to sue perpetrators who file false DMCA, but we never do.
JohnWoo 1 year ago
Wow, we only say what we observe for ourselves. And creationists get all offended. If anything THEY would go to hell, if it existed that is. You definitely wouldn't be a physical entity anymore. So that makes the danger of flames like.. non-existent, right? Fire can only damage physical objects. >=D
mmmmmarcus 1 year ago
Sue them.
AmericanCurmudgeon 1 year ago
what the hell is "Darwinism"?
Felix1049 1 year ago
@Felix1049 The believe that there existed one and at least one darwin, on the earth at some time in the past.
SPACKlick 1 year ago
@SPACKlick lol
snofthndr 1 year ago
Fools. Don't they know Aronra is God?
elizleigh1 1 year ago
Prestonwood christian academy fails yet again.
Rahab111222 1 year ago
How the hell are supernatural forces supposed to be natural forces? Doesn't this dumbass understand that ancient cultures didn't view nature the same way modern people do? They had no real understanding of the natural world, only superstitions. Gods, goddesses, spirits, metaphors and religious symbolism such as the cosmic egg all have nothing to do with atheism. Shouldn't the fact that these things come from ancient myths make it very clear that they are not related to science? Dumbass
shrikechan 1 year ago
what the fuck!? THIS was DMCA'd? This is unambiguously fair use! Sue those fuckers!
FangFiftyFive 1 year ago
If you want to make a video go viral, censor it.
DrInfidel 1 year ago 4
Hitchens is not a philosopher tbh :s
ghandi8749 1 year ago
So the Greek, Norse, etc. creation myths are completely false...and his Christianity differs how? Tell me.
TheGreatStonedOne 1 year ago
@TheGreatStonedOne he believes harder than anyone else! :P sad,though,that's probably his defense, "i have more faith".
warpedwiselegoman 1 year ago
So the Greek, Norse, etc. creation myths are completely false...but his Christianity differs how? Tell me.
TheGreatStonedOne 1 year ago
Prestonwood Christian Academy just failed BIG TIME.
tupacthug4life 1 year ago
Dembski is a lying machine
BabySatch1 1 year ago 2
Dprjones, are you able to practice law in the United States?
mit871chell 1 year ago
Honestly, I used to play youth football. When my team's league were facing troubles we had to, for one season, join with the prestonwood baptist league (yes they have multiple youth football teams who face against each other). When my team went up against theirs, they told us to stop scoring any more points because while our team had 54 they had none. prestonwood baptist is a scary organization.
WillGo7 1 year ago
41 mirrors of the video indexed so far.
Desertphile 1 year ago
Prestonwood Christian Academy is also on FB. If you feel so inclined, please send them message.
LogicvsFaith 1 year ago
WWJDMCA?
gatorboymike 1 year ago 112
@gatorboymike I like how you said this on more then one mirror lol...
harveyts3 1 year ago
I'll spend the day mirroring the video.
Desertphile 1 year ago
These evil lawless bastards never learn. Filing a fraudulent DMCA "take-down" notice is a crime; why don't these clowns obey their gods?
Desertphile 1 year ago
So did he just re upload it?
theepumpkinking 1 year ago
ADD TO FAVOURITESSSSSSSSS FTW!!!
moother888 1 year ago
Man I've really got to subscribe to AronRa now. I don't know why I haven't before. I've seen him appear as a guest along with others' videos on their channels.
Relyt22 1 year ago
Three creationists have seen this video.
SirArghPirate 1 year ago 4
so hey... what the fuck happened to hitchens hair? :s
MrMetal616 1 year ago
@MrMetal616 He has cancer...
mangetuffa 1 year ago
@MrMetal616 cancer is a bitch
AllenQuatermain2de 1 year ago
@MrMetal616 He has cancer - so I would assume he lost his hair because of chemotherapy.
OneCerebralSamurai 1 year ago
Hahaha i love how they try to silence this, only to have it hosted on 6 channels right after its taken down!
gentro101 1 year ago
If they've filed a DMCA, that at least means we can be sure they've watched the video. Love it!
voltfacecon1 1 year ago 4
coward
ThunderFriedChicken 1 year ago
Those pesky creationists again...
wikuk 1 year ago
@AntiFaithNY I was with you until the youtube anti-atheism conspiracy crap. Youtube is under legal obligation to take down anything that is flagged as DMCA - even if it is not. That is the law, that is not youtubes choice. The videos are allowed to be put up after a DMCA hearing confirms it wasn't an illegal use. Talk to your politician if you think that's crap - I did - but it's certainly not a youtube conspiracy.
Pinworm4 1 year ago
This community needs a benchmark case against these illegal dmca's so as to warn against doing it. Although i kind of like it as it shows they lose on every level.
robthesamplist 1 year ago
@AntiFaithNY If that's the case, then we have ample evidence to challenge the DMCA, yes? How do we go about doing that?
Kainlarsen 1 year ago
DMCA bullshit strikes again.
R3APER24 1 year ago
The video isn't free anymore the christian academy is now charging $3 to view it online to apparently recover "costs".
lordmartyn22 1 year ago
People forget that removing a video or a comment, or blocking or ignoring a user on this forum can often tell an uncomfortable amount more about the person doing it than the person they are trying to silence.
EddieTheFishReturns 1 year ago
@AntiFaithNY how can you remove a free video on a dmca ...
Akirilus 1 year ago
Starting a debate with a logical fallacy, is a bit like starting your trip to Mars by digging a hole on Earth... stupid and pointless, and gets you no closer to your goal, in fact further away. And , it makes the rest of the debate painful.
hellomoto170 1 year ago
The only problem i have with AronRa's video is that he categorizes Dembski's statements as lying when I'm convinced that he really is that dense that he's convinced what he's saying is true - that's not lying, but it is a true presentation of stupidity
symelian 1 year ago
@symelian Lie does not only mean saying something you know is not true as true, it also means saying something you do not know is true is true. He says these things under the guise that he knows, with the intent of get people to believe what he says, when he does not know and in many instances is provably wrong. That is lying.
Pinworm4 1 year ago
@Pinworm4
lie 2 (l)
n.
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.
the ignorant cannot lie.
AllenQuatermain2de 1 year ago
@AllenQuatermain2de So you're telling me that if I said 90,000 people died during the korean war, that would not be a lie? For the sake of this argument, I admit that I am completely ignorant when it comes to the korean war and have no idea how many people died during it. How is me saying 90,000 people died during it not a lie, even if it turns out to be true? Also, there's more than 2 definitions, furthermore, the wording still fits it anyway. He's giving the wrong impression that he knows.
Pinworm4 1 year ago
@Pinworm4 exactly, if you make a claim about something of which you realize you know nothing about then it shows a lack of integrity, not a lack of honesty, given the fact that you still have no idea that it is or isn't true. it is only when you know that its false that it becomes a lie.
he is giving the impression that he knows, if this is because he really believes that he DOES then it is not a lie. personally i have my doubt about this but theres really no way to tell the difference.
AllenQuatermain2de 1 year ago
@Pinworm4 "Lie does not only mean saying something you know is not true as true, it also means saying something you do not know is true is true."
What you're describing sounds like the philosopher Harry G Frankfurt's definition of bullshit.
AtSwimTwoBricks 1 year ago
@Pinworm4 you said it - when he "doesn't know". When he thinks he knows - when he has no intention to deceive - then it's not lying - then he's just making an untrue statement ....- lying implies the intent to deceive - that's all
And with regards to Dembski - you have only two options - either he's intentionally deceiving (lying) - or he's a dumbass that really thinks the crap he's peddling is true - in which case he's insane ...
symelian 1 year ago
i will be e-mailing prestonwood christian academy in solidarity with the rest of you who already have. what they've done is a typical sneaky, gutless, anti-free speech maneuvre by christians to silence as much criticism of their vile religion as they can. but what else can you expect from people who believe in thoughtcrime?
fmandld 1 year ago
What absolute cunts.
ultimateinfinite 1 year ago
Providing scientific proof of Creationism is as silly as having absolute faith in atheism or in a scientific theory.
It's a category mistake.
Faith is faith. Science is science.
Science tells us how we live. Philosophy and religion tell us how we -ought- to live.
ReliableInsider 1 year ago
I hope AnonRa's proceding with a counternotice.
Symos 1 year ago
Intelligent Design is a religious belief.
Belief in it isn't based on evidence. Belief in ID is based on faith.
It's sort of a Protestant denomination that some folks invented in the past few years.
There's no law against inventing a new religion, you know.
ReliableInsider 1 year ago
I have submitted an e-mail to the contact email address of Prestonwood Christian Academy, expressing my gratitude for their actions that reaffirm my hypothesis that creationists are frequently ill-informed, dishonest and irrational.
Dimensiom 1 year ago 5
@Dimensiom you forgot "criminals"
Dave83C 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
"Fuck You Prestonwood Christian Academy! Fucking cowards!"
What he said!!!!
Prestonwood Christian Academy = Intellectual Cowards.
csadler 1 year ago
dprjones, the rapidshare download link you provided is no longer working.
easuter 1 year ago
I don't understand how his video can be taken down when he said multiple times that he was THERE.
squirreljester2 1 year ago
Fuck You Prestonwood Christian Academy! Fucking cowards!
defect530 1 year ago 40
@defect530 sing it brother!!!!!
freedomguy55 1 year ago
It always amazes me how creationists almost ALWAYS assume Atheist base their belief on Evolution. Even if you literally state your Atheism HAS NOTHING TO DO with Evolution, they will still insist to argue against Atheism by trying to debunk Evolution.
PDzero 1 year ago
Don't you tube actually check to see weather or not the DMCA is valid? or do they just take it down with no investigation? Sounds very fishy to me as clearly there is no case for these being taken down. Thanks dpr for keeping the videos up.
Draylath 1 year ago
@Draylath I've seen a video experiment just a couple of months ago by UniverseFreedom. It was automatic.
MsMrNoface 1 year ago
@Draylath to cover their asses, when a DMCA is filed against a video, youtube automatically takes it down. it's fucked up, but i can understand why they do it.
TurboNemesis 1 year ago
10 download thing on the mirror.
please re post the mirror, i never mirror anything but i'll make an exception for aron ra's videos because they're so well referenced
mazdaplz 1 year ago
Are they out of their idiot minds?
PeytonFarquhar1 1 year ago
How does the dmca thing work? Was this copyrighted material? And I thought you could post someone elses video and make a commentary on it without that being a copyright infringement. If I ever make youtube videos, I need to know the rules. I don't.
danielkyleh 1 year ago
@danielkyleh - it's copyright protected material, but republication of copyright protected material is allowed under the fair use exception. Newsworthy items can be republished like this in comment, discussion, criticism, etc. in a non-commercial manner. The underlying rationale of this rule is that the public benefits from your review, which is enhanced by including some of the copyrighted material.
PeytonFarquhar1 1 year ago
Gf christian academy of n00bness.
Aronra did a great job using actual content to factually break it down.
Moar false dmca's please?
Keep em' commin, some atheists like dpr are 5 steps ahead of you.
Niveous23 1 year ago
Prestonwood seems to have taken the debate offline. I wonder if they're doing some editing.
werecow2003 1 year ago
Even from Dembski I didn't expect such ridiculously stupid talk...
datuna 1 year ago
Mirrored it as well ... ah ... will these people never learn that trying to stop the internets is simply impossible?
AlatarielNerwen 1 year ago
I was able to watch this last night(piratebay).
Dembski's arguments were inarticulate and boring. It is an insult to Hitchens to have to debate such knuckle-walker.
SpartxGODS 1 year ago
Enuma Elish, especially in its final form, isn't that old. A lot of Egyptian material is as much as a millennium older.
HConstantine 1 year ago
Dumbski is more like it.
Reevnar 1 year ago
PCA got sand in their vaginas
brocris13 1 year ago
It's good to see something new about Hitchens. Still fighting in spite of the cancer! I don't see how a dmca can hold up against this video. The material is used for critique. That's fair use, right?
UndergroundAtheist 1 year ago
@UndergroundAtheist When you don't care about playing fair, why would you care about that?
Sutskoen 1 year ago
@Sutskoen When you say "you" are you refering to Prestonwood
Christian Academy or to me.
UndergroundAtheist 1 year ago
@UndergroundAtheist Sorry, I meant PCA, not you, I could've been clearer
Sutskoen 1 year ago
People who deny evolution are blasphemers. God, whatever he/she/it may be, couldn't have made it any clearer to us how it was done, without spelling it out in all caps using the stars.
Reject the natural evidence and you reject God. ('Course, it's true a god isn't necessary as an explanation - but if there is a god, evolution was his obvious method of choice. Get over it.)
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
Unassigned file limit of 10 downloads reached?
BiggestOfDaddies 1 year ago
Its amazing that Dembski actually said evolution was just like the old Creation myths in front of a room full of people he knows believe in Genesis lol
TheSkepticalIdealist 1 year ago
I have also just mirrored this video, more people should do the same. Until false flaggers realize that by trying to censor videos means they get more widespread then they will not learn their lesson.
They should either learn to critique a video in an honest logical way or simply do not watch or comment on it. But do not infringe on anyone else's right to form their own opinion by having it unjustly removed, because it doesn't work.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
"And a handfull of other horrors" haha
As far as the fossil record goes; a creature becoming fossilized is an extremely difficult event that requires certain conditions, barely anything that dies becomes fossilized so naturally the fossil record is incomplete and always will be.
MarkArandjus 1 year ago