How did Christian slave owners justify slavery?

[tomtomttom]

@milleziano Alright Mr. Bible expert, who wrote the original bible. Was it written down while jesus was alive or was it written down 70 years later by people who never even witnessed him? Prove that it was Jesus or one of his direct disciples that witnessed him that saw the whole bible, at least the whole new testament.

[milleziano]

@tomtomttom Well, that;t easy John 1:1

[tomtomttom]

That doesn't answer any of my questions. Mr. circle logic.

[milleziano]

@tomtomttom Yes, it does answer your questions. Maybe, you're not satisfied with the answer given, but this is book.

[tomtomttom]

@milleziano And that is why you are Mr. Circular Logic.

[tomtomttom]

@milleziano I will call you Mr. Circular Logic from now on.

[raydar878]

the old and new testicles both endorse and condone slavery.

[dmshoes]

Biblical slavery isnt this over enslavement of killing,wiping out for land,population control ect.You have to understand that you live in a land controlled by that at one time and some still do,dont view all people as equal and even human.So the bible has been used for evil instead of good.Didnt you watch the video?Descriptive taken as prescriptive."Selective Literalism"which you still see in what?1:05Research hisory and religion from both sides for the truth.Everything isnt grec roman/european.

[tomtomttom]

Slavery existed during Jesus's time, but he didn't tell his followers to stop slavery. No where in the bible does it say to its followers stop following slavery man/woman for it is the greatest sin of all. I didn't see it anywhere.

[milleziano]

@tomtomttom You would have to study Torah (Leviticus 25) to learn about what the Bible says about servitude. Any servant who is bought becomes part of the household and is to be treated respectfully. The slavery described in this video is something totally different, although it is the evidence to support that the so called negroes fulfill bible prophesy, concerning the children of Israel.

[stevenweir76]

@milleziano - I don't know why you're babbling about Rabbis in the note I got in my Email, but your interpretation to tomtomttom is obviously flawed, or has your perspective been so skewed by religion that a master beating a slave within an inch of their life is a good thing. The context is clear and you choose to ignore it for the sake of lying to people to indoctrinate them. If you have to lie for your belief then chances are your belief is a lie.

[tomtomttom]

"If you have to lie for your belief then chances are your belief is a lie."

@stevenweir76 Couldn't have said it better myself.

[stevenweir76]

@tomtomttom - :)

[milleziano]

@stevenweir76 My previous post obviously went over your head. Pray for understanding and repent.

[stevenweir76]

@milleziano - Nothing went over my head, you are just too stupid the read the entire Bible before you go around spouting its virtues.

I have nothing to repent for, none of my crimes are so egregious, as none are to justly deserve eternal damnation. Telling me to repent, is like me telling you to submit your will to Allah. Are you shaking in your booties yet. Neither am I. Hell is a fairytale meant to scare children from asking questions.

[milleziano]

@stevenweir76 Yes, it ALL went over your head. Just know this much pride cometh before the destruction and a haughty look before a fall. There's NO scripture that you can quote from the bible where it is O.K. to torture a servant. Either way, II Philippians 2:12 is crystal clear. You have been admonished

[tomtomttom]

@milleziano Slavery, selling people, or anything that involves human trade is wrong. Even if it was 6000 years ago, 2000 years ago, 1000 years ago, 500 years ago, 100 years ago, 20 years ago, today, or anytime in the future. If you haven't figured that out, I don't know what to tell you. If you want to support your religion and do back flips and gymnastics to support it by calling them servants, best friends, or lovers, fine. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[milleziano]

@tomtomttom The servants according to the BIBLICAL context are to become part of the household and are to be treated with RESPECT and DIGNITY. The slave trade and or the way slaves were being handled has NOTHING to do with the BIBLICAL form of servitude. BTW, this BIBLICAL servitude will be executed in the Kingdom of the Highest, that is people will HAVE TO obey and do HIS commandments. So, you better get used to it and study the Bible.

[stevenweir76]

@milleziano - Let me state it again, the Bible endorses slavery and it also endorses torture of those slaves. In what context could slavery be correct, is your God not omniscient, couldn't it see we would try to outgrow these inhumane notions. Couldn't it give something to aspire to besides eternal misery.

I think that your god is a big fat lie, and if it is true, it isn't worthy of praise.

[tomtomttom]

@milleziano Yup, you really will get far with threats. lolz. You're a joke and your bible is to. And sorry, buddy, but slavery is never ok. All you are talking about is the difference between an inside slave and an outside slave (if you don't know what that means look it up). Still a slave at the end. Sorry buddy, but your bible promotes slavery, it is a pure and important fact.

[milleziano]

@tomtomttom No, YOU are the joke. You cannot even discern between two simple concepts. The people who choose to live according to the laws, statutes and commandments written of Genesis to Deuteronomy, are servants of the Most High.

You should omit world history to try and prove the bible is false.

[tomtomttom]

@milleziano prove the bible is false...... First prove to me that jesus even wrote it. It was put together by the Romain empire. If there was a jesus I'm pretty sure he wants nothing to do with the bible.

[milleziano]

@tomtomttom look, if you don't believe the Bible is true, there's nothing I can do to change your mind.

[tomtomttom]

@milleziano Like I said, the bible is a joke and filled with a bunch of myths. If you can't deal with that, go stick your head in sand.

[milleziano]

@tomtomttom Whatever you say, buddy. Just know you'll have to give an account for the things you've said and done like all of us. It's funny how you can proclaim the Biloe is a myth and you probably don't even have a clue as to what's written in the Bible. Oh well, Phil 2:12

[tomtomttom]

@milleziano It's funny you can claim the bible is divine and have no clue who wrote it.

[milleziano]

@tomtomttom Fill me in, please.

[stevenweir76]

1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT, written by Paul. Go educate yourself. I've said plenty and it seems you are too thick to learn, maybe church is better for you, it suits people who can neither think nor listen, and who are so intellectually lazy they can't even use google to find a cited document to substantiate their beliefs let alone actually find real evidence. Don't you think before devoting your life to something you should learn what it is first?

[stevenweir76]

Read these passages and don't stop until you've read them all, they are all prescriptive.

Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT, Exodus 21:2-6 NLT, Exodus 21:7-11 NLT, Exodus 21:20-21 NAB, Ephesians 6:5 NLT, 1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT.

Even Jesus supposedly gets in on the action, Luke 12:47-48 NLT

The reason you're still a Christian is because you are ignorant of both the words of the fictional Jesus character in the Bible and because you never read it.

Grow up and ditch the BS.

[shieldsff]

not at all- you see, you are the one who selectively cites the Pauline epistles specifically and scriptures generally, you ignore Paul's extensive commentary on freedom & identity contained in his letters to the Galatians & Corinthians....you fail to to make substantive distinction in the various cultural role of slavery and it's sociological conditions. In the Old Testament, you ignore the theocratic strictures of slavery & how both the Old & New Testaments seek & succeed in eliminating it

[stevenweir76]

@shieldsff - Oh really, then perhaps you have just admitted that the Bible is no longer relevant seeing as it required a barbaric cultural context in order to do any good.

Slave owners used the Bible to justify slavery, so your point is misplaced, and if the Bible or your phoney baloney God wanted to rid the world of slavery why didn't it happen after Moses. You try to pretend a couple of thousand years of history never happened. It bullshit and you know it.

[shieldsff]

again you are grossly mistaken & (for whatever reason) blatantly committed to your erroneous presumptions. NoWHERE in the account is it supported, much less asserted that the Creator& Most High instituted or prescribes slavery. On the contrary, it is clear that the source of slavery (& all forms of exploitations) originates with pple such as yourself who deny & reject the Love of God. In sum, your confusion is founded in UR willful refusal to comprehend the entire scriptures in context- UR BAD

[stevenweir76]

@shieldsff - Why didn't Moses or Jesus end slavery then? Why was it prescribed by Jesus personally?

Stop lying for Jesus.

I don't deny and reject the love of God or Jesus, I do not believe they exist at all, they are fabrications of the imaginations of men, concepts given credence by tribal tradition and credulity in superstition and our society should've grown past this stupidity by now, but most such as yourself cling to false hope and immoral teachings.

[stevenweir76]

@shieldsff - And if I'm wrong why does Jesus say you should love your masters as you love me?

It is your refusal to read and learn, not mine.

[stevenweir76]

As an atheist, I could entertain the notion of a god or gods, even though I find them unlikely. What I find very difficult to abide is religions who stake claim on special knowledge of things they can't possibly know and in contradiction to what we do know of reality.

Religion is a crutch of a weak mind. Thinking is hard, but if you all do it, you'll get better at it. Stop taking spoon fed answers from religions, they're lying to you.

[RichGonzalezVerona]

God is awesome.

[stevenweir76]

The passage from Paul is prescriptive, not descriptive. She's lying through her teeth.

[RichGonzalezVerona]

@stevenweir76 Please explain?

[stevenweir76]

@RichGonzalezVerona - It seems she doesn't understand the words coming out of her mouth any more than you do, the passage in question is a guide for how to treat and what is justifiable treatment of your slaves.

That makes it prescriptive, and to top it off, if the actions were an abomination or to be abhorred why wouldn't the Bible say so.

Eating shellfish is an abomination, killing the rival tribe and taking their virgin girls is acceptable.

You need to read your Bible to overcome religion.

[RichGonzalezVerona]

@stevenweir76 No, you are blinded by your hatred, and do not see clearly. She is accurate. You are judging people that lived in another century, with other customs with your white 21st century world view. Do Christians arbore slavery that goes on today? Are you doing anything about today’s literal slavery going on in the world?

[stevenweir76]

@RichGonzalezVerona - What you are saying is pure opinion, the evidence says the passage is prescriptive, it lays down rules. Your opinion or belief is not what we're talking about, we're talking about what words were written down in the Bible. It's your fucking book, why don't you read it and learn how stupid and backwards it truly is.

Go read the first epistle of Peter you ignoramus. Prescriptive, plain and simple. She is a liar.

[RichGonzalezVerona]

@stevenweir76 You never told me what passage from Paul you are talking about.  You must not have one!

[stevenweir76]

@RichGonzalezVerona - 1 Timothy is written by Paul, again, learn your history, learn your Bible, then you can get over it. I would have thought the supposed words of Jesus would be more important than Paul's anyway, but I guess you are one of those Pauline Christians who ignore the words of Jesus. Why do you guess that your religion is the right. You can't believe everything that you think. Seriously, argue with facts, not your guts, I want you to find truth, not truthiness.

[RichGonzalezVerona]

@stevenweir76 You have babbled a lot and not, said anything concerning, 1 Timothy. Why are you using diversionary tactics?

[JUDALATION]

The bible was written at a time when slavery was widely practiced and accepted. The fact is that the slavery in the bible was terrible but nothing like modern slavery in The Arabic slave trade. This was fuled by racism and the slaves were brutalized. And dehumanized even worse than Romans. The Catholic church allowed all of it because it was the most evil organiation in human History... And that includes Nazism.

[lilrog0909]

Why do blacks believe in that stupid shit called Islam, Judism, & Christianity? Its done nothing good for us. You want proof look at the last fucking 500yrs.

[JUDALATION]

@lilrog0909 Only whipped blacks fall for that shit. Islam is the worst religion when it comes top Africans... I think Aids is a close second but nothing has hurt Africans and destroyed them more than that stupid religion...

[jojo24love]

the real jews are negroes

[CntrBrdr]

QUESTION: Does typing like THIS make you THINK that when I SPEAK I am adding emphasis to THESE words? Does it add credibility to MY argument? For MY part, I say: "FQUSHDUAHS". Don't believe me, go READ IT in THESSALONIANS 69:1-5

[AlanRussellFuller]

The word "slaves" is only found once in the KJV, and that is in Revelation 18:13, about the judgment of Babylon.

[JUDALATION]

@AlanRussellFuller FAIL... ITS THROUGHOUT THE BIBLE.. and even Jesus uses it... But not to condem it....

[AlanRussellFuller]

@JUDALATION The word slavery is not found in the KJV except for the verse mentioned and Jermiah 2:14. Indentured servitude is often referred to. If you think you can find the word slave in the KJV then please provide the references.

[JUDALATION]

@AlanRussellFuller Luke 12:47-48 NLT, 1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT, When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NABServants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ. Eph.6:5

[AlanRussellFuller]

@JUDALATION I wasn't talking about modern paraphrases. Read my message. I said the KJV, which is a more literal translation. It only occurs in the places I mention in the literal translation of the KJV. My statement stands.

[JUDALATION]

@AlanRussellFuller What? Im not going to dignify your pathetic responce with an answer... these are from King james you idiot! Bottom line is the Bible condoned slavery any way you look at it... It also allows for gays to be killed. as well as many other silly statements... too many to reply to... you could make a movie about all of the terrible things in the bible. It has done more harm than good. if it has done any good at all... Now its trying to hold back science.... THATS UNNACCEPTABLE

[AlanRussellFuller]

@JUDALATION Luke 12:47-48, 1 Tim 6:1-2, Ex 21:20, Eph 6:5 KJV all use the words servant or maid. My original statement stands.

[JUDALATION]

@AlanRussellFuller Your statement is meaningless because you are an idiot. The words maid and servant did not exist 2000 years ago... There were no servants... only slaves... Maids and Servants only came about after the end of fuedalism. You know this... You are in denial. You have said nothing about the bible allowing the killing of gays in KJV either. Keep your silly fairy tales to your self. Im working on curing diseases and making the world a better place so I have no time for Evil tales.

[AlanRussellFuller]

@JUDALATION The Greek word in Rev 13:18 is so'-mah From G4982; the body (as a sound whole), used in a very wide application, literally or figuratively: - bodily, body, slave. That is different from doo'-los a slave (literally or figuratively, involuntarily or voluntarily; frequently therefore in a qualified sense of subjection or subserviency): - bond (-man), servant. It is not translated slave in the KJV, so my statement still stands.

[RichGonzalezVerona]

@JUDALATION What hate.

[cjs33139]

Paul had every opportunity to write in his Epistles that slavery is profoundly evil. His letter to Philemon would have been an ideal opportunity to vilify slavery but he didn't. Jesus could have condemned the practice but he also didn't! Christianity is definitely not a tolerant, kind religion. Any black person that takes Christianity as their religion is foolish and self-hating. As a person of color, I refuse to take Christianity as my faith! Good riddance.

[jojo24love]

@cjs33139 to get the understanding, and to know who the real bibical jews were, you would know it was so called black people. it even says it in the scriptures that another race of people were going to use our own book against us. God never gave us religion, god gave us; laws, statues, and commandments not religion. The thing that christains had pushed out was non sense.

[cjs33139]

Biblical passages recognized, controlled, & regulated the practice. The Bible permitted owners to beat their slaves severely, even to the point of killing them. However, as long as the slave lingered longer than 24 hours before dying of the abuse, the owner was not regarded as having committed a crime, because the slave was his property.

[Sensiblehuman]

@cjs33139 The problem with the so-called Western christian is that he/she has been fooled by the artwork of European artists who've depicted Biblical Brown people from a hot and sun-drenched part of the world as if from England or Brittain. If your artists painted truer representations of Yeshua (Jesus), his mother, and his disciples you would be less accepting that they promoted American slavery. Read Col 3:22 and 4:1 and see that Paul advised those earthly masters to pay JUST and EQUAL wages.

[Sensiblehuman]

There are very few Christians in the world today. Many wear that label but are clueless about its meaning and its requirements.

Read Acts 11:26 ". . . And the DISCIPLES WERE CALLED CHRISTIANS FIRST IN ANTIOCH." If one's life does not mirror the life of those Disciples, then by attaching the label Christian to oneself is being fraudulent and a liar. Thus, those early American slaveholders, just like most Westerners today, were not Christians. Only Acts Chapter 2 can get you to discipleship!

[Sensiblehuman]

(Continued - Paul's instructions on servitude)

To those earthly masters: If you want a just, heavenly reward from GOD your Master for your efforts on earth, make sure that you give a just reward to your servants in their service to you; expect the same justice from GOD, your Master, that you give to those under your charge. Paul did not instruct anyone to go to far lands, capture folks, beat them into submission and exploit their minds and bodies at will. He that readeth get an understanding.

[cjs33139]

@Sensiblehuman But he also did not instruct Christians NOT to enslave people or free slaves either! He had every opportunity, as did Jesus, to talk about the evils of slavery, yet did not. Apparently, slavery was ok in "god's" eyes. As for your comment about American slaveholders not being "true Christians", you are just an apologist for your evil faith, which chooses to oppress gays, Native Americans and anyone who doesn't agree with your violent, evil religion.

[Sensiblehuman]

For the record, Paul never endorsed slavery, not then and not now. Col 3:22 (KJV) "Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh . . ." But reader don't stop there, read on. Col 4:1 "Masters, give unto your servants that which is JUST and EQUAL; knowing that YE ALSO HAVE a Master in heaven." In other words, earthly masters compensate your earthly servants in their service to you in the same manner that you would want GOD, your Master, to compensate you in your service to HIM.

[cjs33139]

@Sensiblehuman Funny how you use the word "servant" instead of slave. These weren't maids or butlers, but SLAVES! Paul endorsed slavery the moment he wrote that slaves should return to their masters, instead of rebuking slavery, he endorsed it. Stop changing words in the bible from their true meaning to one that suits your needs and agenda. Educated theologists know what those biblical words mean and they did not mean "butler"... hence why the Bible advocates beating your slaves.

[Sensiblehuman]

@cjs33139 No. You refuse to acknowledge Colossians 4:1. READ IT!!! You will see that Paul advised the earthly master to consider his relationship to the HEAVENLY MASTER as identical to the relationship between the earthly master and his SERVANTS. Paul understood that GOD did not consider us to be HIS slaves but his SERVANTS. Thus by Paul making that analogy in Col 4:1 he was not calling the earthly master a slave (offensive), but a SERVANT OF THE MOST HIGH expecting wages. The WAGES OF SIN . . .

[guasto47]

the bible condones white people becoming slaves for blacks and hispanics.

[perdondaris]

Slavery, child abuse, rape, murder and genocide are sanctioned by the Bible. Jews and Christians ignore their own tradition in a manner Orwell would have appreciated. One may say what one will but Jesus himself said nothing about slavery (pro or con). Jesus was purposefully vague in his parables (if you accept him as a historical figure and not a prop for politicians). When he was not vague he deliberately contradicts himself.

[Sensiblehuman]

@perdondaris The Bible tells stories of incest, murder, rape, betrayal, deceit, and adultery. All that is found in the House of David. Just because events happened in the Bible doesn't mean that those happenings were in the will of GOD. See Matthew 19:7-8 Moses allowed divorce, but Jesus stated that, ". . .from the beginning it was not so." Men did things that were not in God's original Plan. Jesus came to bring man and woman back. God is one - man + woman represent the image of GOD - ONENESS.

[JUDALATION]

@Sensiblehuman To bad He forgot the formula for Antibiotics... Huh? Look The Bible is full of verses alowwing slavery... It also calls for gays to be killed and sex with children, Opression of women and segregation. As well as punnishing KIDS for their Parents mistakes. Get real son!

[ThePeaceableKingdom]

Her distinction between "descriptive" and "prescriptive" in this short clip is contrived, and simply incorrect. A sentence may be declarative, questioning, an exclamation, or imperative; "Slave, Obey your master." is clearly imperative, that is, a command. (Whether that command is a "Commandment" in the religious sense I'll leave to theologians and the religious to interpret and decide.)

I find that 99% of Christians believe the bible says exactly what they want it to say...

[eoriol1955]

I would not say that they became slaves because they were weak.I believe that the European and Arab world conspired against Africa until the continent was overwhelmed.It's one thing to be hated because of your beliefs(something you can hide)but quite another for your skin color..I can't pass judgement on people I never met but,I can say how disappointed I am in Blacks of today who are worshiping the same white Jesus and god that the slave traders used to keep their ancestors enslaved for centur

[tbursee]

That was a severe misinterpretation of the scripture.

[eliminatereligion]

This is a perfect time to declare war on Christians. They created two wars, a depression, and caused millions of people in the north to die of the cold because they had no money. We must fight religion. We must not treat Christians with the same human rights we deserve. Did Christians treat slaves with respect. Now is the time to burn, steel, and take from Christians what is ours, when the government falls.

[revnasteewaters57]

What evil white devil put that insane scripture in the Bible. Slave be obediant to your master. The only master is God himself not some tobacco chewing,stomp jumping cracker.

[exsinor]

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Ghandi

[jamaalfridge]

"Blinded by their wealth and prosperity"... Isn't this the young rich ruler all over again?

[JerseyKac92]

There's is no logical explanation for this! Obviously they didn't communicate with god like they all say they do! I can't believe this!

[billygundum]

Mental Gymnastics.

[nosimpin1]

sick euro culture

[NavyBeer]

Notice how once thy got their ass kicked, Southern PUssies all dumped that God of SLavery. If they really believed that shit about God telling them to enslave others, they would have SAID so after the war. They shaped their whole fucking life on that God of Slavery -- they tortured, raped, stole, burned men to death.

Why didn't they believe in that God when they lost?

Because they were pussies and never believed that shit anyway.

[NavyBeer]

This woman avoids the real issue. Why enslave BLACKS? Why not enslave SOUTHERN people? Why not enslave the South after they lost the civil war? That is what happened in Jesus time -- the losers in the wars were the slaves. NOT blacks.

But the scum sucking pigs in the South - just like this woman -- never explained how they arrived at enslaving BLACKS.

See the death of the Southern God of slavery --

[CambridgeHeights]

The bible says so many things. Things that contradict each other, things that clash with modern-day morality, things that conflict with scientific evidence things that just seem odd and out of place for a holy book. You have to twist your mind into a pretzel to justify it.

[xephyr1000]

OMG... did she just dismiss Christian slave owners as some sort of abnormal sect within Christianity? There are more than Paul's so-called "descriptive" comments to draw from if one wishes to Justify Slavery. IN FACT no where in the bible (OT or NT) does any of the authors call for the abolition of slavery but merely endorses its continuity. Christians rightly used the bible to justify slavery. It shows how atrocious the bible is as a source of morality in a modern world.

[xephyr1000]

@xephyr1000 Let's not forget that while, sure, there were Christians in America (and elsewhere) who participated in the Abolition movement, there were still PLENTY MORE trying to keep slavery in tact. Even after it was Abolished and written into law, several MORE LAWS had to be included and enforced to prevent former slaves from being exiled from the USA and to elevate them up to the same standard as a white person, then allow them to marry outside their race, etc. Christians love to distort.

[johnrgaitherman]

@xephyr1000 you are wrong the O.T. DEMANDS SETTING PEOPLE FREE god REMINDS THE JEWS THAT THEY WERE SLAVES IN EGYPT AND HE SET THEM FREE SO THEY WERE TO REMEMBER THE LACE AND LIFE OF SLAVES AND GODS RULES THEY HAD TO BE TURNED LOOSE AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME AND DEBTS FORGET AND YOU COULD KILL A SLAVE AND GO UNPUNISHED CLERLY WE ARE OUR BROTHER KEEPERS BY THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD AND IF A WHITE MAN SAIDS HE NO BLACK MAN BROTHER THEN HE BETTER STUDY HISTORY JEPHETH AND HAM FATHER WAS NOAH;

[xephyr1000]

@johnrgaitherman #LOL Ever the LIAR FOR CHRIST you christards are.

[RichGonzalezVerona]

@xephyr1000 What hate!

[ilorvygjm]

@johnrgaitherman all of u need to do reading there are quotes from slave owners which prove that the bible was used for the subjugation of blacks. what u don't realise is that just because u interpret something one way doesn't mean that someone else will interpret the same thing the same way as u. think about it for a moment some ppl believe that the bible advocates the killing of abortion clinic doctors while others don't thats another example of different interpretations of the bible

[carnypimp]

Im atheist this one of the reasons. Others two after the constitution Deist jefferson believe with the first amendment taking religion out of government that slavery would abolish its self one day. Why do you think he and other founding fathers spoke of how evil christian law was? I think those who can think for themselves can figure that out. Im sick of people calling our government a christian government that is unconstitutional. What if Obama is muslem? That is not unamerican idiots.

[mnlkthms]

this is why i don't believe in religion really christianity it's a joke 2 me

[brindlebriar]

Sorry, but this lady is wrong. "Slaves, obey your masters" is not descriptive. It is prescriptive.

Of course they, as all christians throughout all time, used passages selected to justify their desires, ignoring the other parts which might have given them pause.

The problem is the worship of a self-contradictory collection of ancient books, which people can use to justify anything.

[Imaginefree69]

Don't forget the sex slaves. God commands kidnapping little girls as slaves after killing their parents and families: Numbers 31:17,18 "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who hath known a man by lying with him. But all the women children, who have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." They kidnapped 32,000 little girls that time! And a portion were given as slaves to the Levitical PRIESTS! (Verse 30)

[brindlebriar]

@Imaginefree69 I have a feeling that now-a-days, they'd kill all the girls and keep the boy children for the priests. But seriously...how do.. I just can't see how people worship this stuff. It makes me think the mutation that gave humans the ability to think has yet only permeated to about 10% of the population. Apparently thinking isn't requisit to survival.

[Imaginefree69]

@brindlebriar "Apparently thinking isn't requisit to survival."

Well, it isn't-

as long as there are bosses to tell the non-thinkers

when to come to work and when to go home,

what to buy and eat and drink...

And as long as there are scientists to do their thinking for them.

But it is certainly not evolutionarily stable

for the non-thinkers to control or attack the thinkers.

That's how the Church caused the Dark Ages

and we are STILL recovering from that disaster!

[stickloc]

its not even a selective literalism because he wasnt refering to cotton ceo capatilist he was refering to richeous spiritual masters who are the choosen people true jews from judah sub saharan african people who will be displaced all over the world and will be held captive by their enemies just like the bible says a and christianity is a religon and the most high deals with his people not religons and to be christian means to be christ like

[Vajrasiddha]

Ya have to remember, Jesus is the new testament, so ppl can be evil little shits, pray to Jesus, get forgiven and still make it to heaven, That's why the world is so fucked up, because of Jesus. There is no reason to practice morality. Like Christians, Beasts are wild and uncontrolled.

Did ya know Hitler was a Christian? Ya ever notice that all the white supremacists are all Christians?

At least Buddhists practice mind control with meditation and follow the 8-Fold Path of Pure Conduct.

[olh1152]

Adolf Hitler wanted to wipe religion from the face of the earth. A great idea, but he went about it wrong.

[Imaginefree69]

@olh1152 Hitler was a Christian.

he said so regularly.

[olh1152]

@Imaginefree69, not the first christian that was a liar, right?

[eoriol1955]

@olh1152

As a matter of fact,every Christian is a liar.Every time he or she says that jesus is coming or a fucking holy ghost does exist,that bitch is lying

[TutorWizard]

beautifully said!

[tbursee]

A christian cant own slaves. I'm possible. Ther eis no way you could say you have thge love of God in your heart, but keep people in the back yard , the same way we do dogs and horses today.

[anonynat]

This only addresses one of dozens of verses that openly condone slavery. Face the fact that we're dealing with a set of laws that were laid out in the bronze age and attributed to a deity to lend them more credibility.

[wgcody]

There r a lot of things wedon't understand God has been silent We saw his silence as aproval of our action The truth is God is calling everyone to repent All have sinned He sent Son Jesus 2 die 4 all our sin. Accept Jesus now Trust & obey There is no other way Don't take a chance and die with your interpetation of the truth Jesus Christ is the only answer that has walked this earth in truth He was there when every society decided 2 enslave another He came 2 show all the right way ask him n now

[olh1152]

@wgcody, Why is the average Joe so dumb?

[ilorvygjm]

@wgcody the problem with ur statement is that the slave owners did exactly as u say they thought they were obeying god, following jesus...

[Psycnosis]

lol what she descripes now is EXACLY what applies to republicans today

[MotionFrequency]

If you try hard enough, you can make anything in the bible be used for your evil plot. Everyone likes to claim their a Christian so that people think their trustworthy but underneath the cloak these people are deceivers. They do evil things then everyone gets a bad impression of Christians. We do not stand for slavery if everyone remembers we Christians were slaves in Roman times. We came to America to be free to worship. Now people want to take away our freedom once again. Why? Why the hate?

[irendelle]

Why? Why the hate? Bcus GOD says so lol

[Imaginefree69]

@MotionFrequency "Now people want to take away our freedom once again." Nonsense. Christians are trying to strip OTHERS of their rights. Christianity wants to tell us who we can worship, what we can eat and drink and smoke, who we can love and marry, what we can watch and read and say, what can be taught in schools, what days we can work, what clothes we can wear... The tyranny of Christianity is being ended. And none too soon! That's what caused the Dark Ages and we don't want to return there.

[wolfmother8719]

@Imaginefree69 I want to sub you.

[schradww00]

WHAT ARE YOU CHRISTIANS SMOKING? Are you just willfully ignoring Exodus 21:2-6, Exodus 21:7-11, Exodus 21:20-21, Deuteronomy 15:12-15, Ephesians 6:9, Colossians 4:1, Leviticus 25:44-46, and 1 Timothy 6:1-2? Exactly how does giving followers instructions suddenly turn into only a "description of the world?" The Bible says NOTHING about abolishing or discouraging slavery! The christian slaveholders were justified by their interpretation of the bible BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE BIBLE EXPLICITLY SAYS!!!

[pope42OFdope]

i couldnt agree with u more, but u cant change their minds, its already stained in their brains other known as brainwashing, just be happy u arnt like them cuz i know i am :D

[Etimos]

Too fucking right. This woman is trying to make excuses for Christianity. The bible explicitly demands to be taken literally and obeyed in full!

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

No room for interpretation, and NOTHING about discounting the old testament or dismissing what laws dont agree with your own morality. This woman is simply lying.

[ilorvygjm]

@Etimos lol are u honestly saying that different people can not interpret a passage in different ways? u need to do some reading. there are quotes from slave owners explicitly stating that they were using the bible to subjugate slaves theres no getting around that just like people today may use the bible to justify shooting an abortion clinic doctor

[Etimos]

@ilorvygjm ..... ok, it took me a minute to find the comment you were responding to, and to remember what the hell this video is even about, but now that i've got my ead wrapped around it again... I'm afraid I'm just going to have to ignore your asinine comment, apart from saying this: Yes, I am honestly saying different people can not interpret a passage different ways, leastwise with regards to the laws, commandments, etc. They are written quite clearly in most cases.

[ogirv101]

@schradww00:

Uhhh. Slavery had a totally different context in these verses, you obviously are commiting a quoting out of context fallacy and you're ignoring many other things involved. Well, I'm not surprised, as an Agnostic, I have seen many irrational people use logical fallacies to make their idiocy seem rational.

[Imaginefree69]

@ogirv101 Don't forget the sex slaves. God commands kidnapping little girls as slaves after killing their parents and families: Numbers 31:17,18 "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who hath known a man by lying with him. But all the women children, who have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." They kidnapped 32,000 little girls that time! And a portion were given as slaves to the Levitical PRIESTS! (Verse 30)

[ogirv101]

@Imaginefree69:

Yeah I know. Judaism is a horrible religion isn't it? Wait, Judaism isn't even based off the OT 512 commandments, ask a rabbi and sound stupid.

[Imaginefree69]

@ogirv101 I've never mentioned Judaism.

If you're interested in that religion

you'll have to engage someone who cares about it.

[carnypimp]

@Imaginefree69 Every been to church! They always leave shit like this out! I love how stupid christians lie. Im not going to talk about any other religion because Muselems, Jews, Hindus they don't tell me im going to hell and bug me. They stay the fuck out of my buisness and so should christians!

[chinchonchinchon]

@schradww00

Are you talking about the old testament, son?

Did you know that is a new testament?.....

[Blackguy811]

@chinchonchinchon So true

[NavyBeer]

@schradww00 wrong idiot -- the bible says nothing about enslaving blacks.

Why not enslave your ass, why not beat the living fuck out of your children, rape your ass, sell your children. THats from GOD right? Says so in the bible?

Wrong dumb fuck. Nothing in the bible says to enslave blacks retard. So by your own fucking logic, YOU should be a slave. Your balls should be cut off for Jesus and stuffed up your ass for Christ.

[Chaostheoryrulz]

@schradww00 Oh and the brittish didnt base thier subjegatiion of africans and Asian based on Darwinism?What have you been smoking are you willing to ignore historical facts?Secondly if the bible is Myth and legend whats your point are you trying to debate about a history that didnt happen?

[ilorvygjm]

@Chaostheoryrulz um how is darwinism tied to subjugation?

[ThePeaceableKingdom]

@Chaostheoryrulz "Oh and the brittish didnt base thier subjegatiion of africans and Asian based on Darwinism?"

This one's easy. No, the British didn't base their subjegation of Africans on Darwin. The British outlawed the slave trade in 1807. Charles Darwin published The Origin of Species in 1859. The dates alone preclude a connection. (And Darwin's theory wasn't immediately accepted by everyone. Acceptance came slowly as more and more evidence confirmed the hypothesis.)

[1982mockingbird1982]

@schradww00 I agree and many of those passages explicitly sanctioned, among more horrendous things, FORCEd CHATTEL SLAVERY. The best the Bible could be alleged to have done is regulated slavery in way that was relatively less abhorent for the time. Justifying slavery required very little 'selective interpretation'. This is intelectually dishonest

[eoriol1955]

@schradww00

Yeap....She is doing exactly what she is accusing the Christian slave masters of having done..

[PorkChopMissPiggy]

@eoriol1955 Blacks have been the international slaves of almost the whole world. Here are a list of countries that owned black slaves for centuries. Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Paraguay, Peru, Uruguay, Venezuela, Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Martinique, Puerto Rico. How could blacks be so weak as to be slaves to so many countries? Don't even get me started on the black slaves owned by the middle east

[Sensiblehuman]

@schradww00 Acts 7:37 "This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A PROPHET shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; HIM SHALL YE HEAR." JESUS IS THAT PROPHET!

John 10:10 " the thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have LIFE, and that they might have it more ABUNDANTLY."

John 4:18 " . . . HE HATH SENT ME . . . to preach DELIVERANCE to the CAPTIVES. . . TO SET AT LIBERTY . . . " Learn to read.

[cjs33139]

@schradww00 Hence why as a person of color, I became an atheist. I still to this day don't understand why Blacks and others of color would choose to worship such a racist "god" and racist religion as is Christianity. After reading the Bible, which is something Christians rarely do, I came to see how sexist, racist, violent and homophobic it truly is. It's disgusting. No wonder white Christian men had no problem lynching black men, owning slaves and stealing Native American land!

[HOUSTONTEXASSCREW]

@schradww00 no god dame fuck they why free the is areal people from Egypt dumb ass

god send mosies to free his people not to enslave

god hates racist and that bullish slavery got fucking killed yourself

only fake ass bitches believe in slavery

[jojo24love]

@schradww00 white people are to be negroes slaves. In the bible in is a cursed to pale skin. it's the other way around

[butch1026]

where was jesus then nowhere. one honor a dead jew

[nancyl2]

My parents have an answer for everything, if not known, "The Devil made them do it," or "God forgives sin," if you do or have done something to experience free will and life as a whole. They are so controlled by the church they have NO THOUGHT OF their own. It is really sad since I became awakened and started searching the truth.: -)I see so differently.

[MotionFrequency]

What is the truth? That nothing created nothing and we're all here for nothing? That sounds like the biggest load of crap I've ever heard in my lives. Just because a person calls them self a Christian does not automatically make them a Christian. A lot of people forget that. A lot of people call their self a Christian to get that respect but they are not and they are evil and they do that to deceive other people and it works. Then people think Christians are bad but the impostors are to blame.

[denverkipper]

Just because you can ask a question, doesn't make it worthy of an answer.

And just because you ask a question that seems to have no answer does not provide any support to your assessment that Christ is the way.

It intellectual lazyness in the extreme.

It would be better to simply say that you are ignorant of these topics and that you have faith in spite of having no evidence.

Better yet, just admit that you believe because it is makes you feel better to do so.

[Imaginefree69]

@MotionFrequency

The price of Christianity has been war, murder, slavery,

human sacrifice, censorship, book burnings, the Dark Ages,

witch hunts, cannibalism, sexual abuse, genocide, shame, fear, enmity,

the repression of science, the destruction of nations and cultures...

Thank reason atheism is outstripping religion, finally!

Education dissolves religion.

[carnypimp]

@Imaginefree69 Dont forget the slaughter of innocent wolves because of fear of wherewolves LMAo off at that one. They are just slaves of a lieng society of biggets!

[Imaginefree69]

@carnypimp Yes, and the witch hunts conducted by ignorant, superstitious Christians. Also, the church has always opposed science and the progress of knowledge and morality. It was the church, destroying libraries and universities (and scientists who disagreed with the Bible!), that caused the Dark Ages, 1,500 years of ignorance and poverty, superstition and fear, disease and famine directly caused by the tyranny of Christianity.

[eoriol1955]

@Imaginefree69

Looks like we are heading back towards those good old days my friend

[SocailQueen]

Well i can see why they didn't think slavery was bad because that is what they were taught but its not like all traditions stay. In most african countries they USED to kidnap the women and bring them to their own weddings. they had no idea they were getting married or the man they were marrying. BUT times have changed and so has everyones ideas on slavery.

[B4mytyme]

slavery is okay in the bible. in both the new and old testament. either its good or bad. the bible is not clear on that.

[galerivs]

in those times people did not realize world and moral norms, like we do now.

for them slavery was normal, and bible was written with that in mind.

[AbounaZarabbas]

I believe that slave-trade participants intentionally twisted Scriptures to engage in the commercial trade of human beings.

The Ship building industry flourished, colonial agriculture soon became dependant on slavery to supply their labour demands. The economic factors are shockingly overshadowing the possibility that "Christian" Slavers thought they were justified. It was primarily the industries that twisted Scripture, but in the end, Christians who worked for Abolition. Even this is not 100%

[Nilyentaraka]

Susan Wise Bauer is so inspiring. I'm so glad she didn't leave her knowledge and experience to her kids alone, but also made an effort to share it with the rest of us.

[toniela]

thank you! this video helped me answer one of my test question on History!