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  • I would so love to break this hippie's jaw. Get a job, loser.

  • vta1985 is an idiot.

  • I love how nobody in the restaurant could find a single fuck to give to this moron. xDDD Enjoy your dinners, you sane people.

  • fucking tool someone bash that pricks face in with a hammer

  • STOP IT

    I SAID STOP IT

  • what a fucking faggot. I can't wait until this OWS bullshit is over.

  • so they're going into a private business and pulling this shit?

  • people are enjoying the dinner they paid for.  Those idiots should have been thrown out on their arse.

  • Where are those pepper spraying police when you need them?

  • @vta1985 More like, where is that Norweigan mass murderer when you need him.

    I would have immediately thrown a drink over this social anarchist prick. Fucking communists. They should all be packed off to North Korea

  • you pussies don't know what a thug is.

  • Disrespectful PUNKS! It's no wonder this "movement" is seen as blowing hot air. How rude to go and bother people at dinner.

    GET A LIFE!!!

  • Notice at the end the guy in white at the bar (1:12)....gets up to follow the loud mouth ows flea-bag & tries to ask a question & what does the flea-bag do....flip him off & cowardly walk away!

    ows flea-bags....USELESS IDIOTS, mostly young Fools, dopers, de-frosted hippies, bums, & an assortment of socialist/marxist/anarchist LOSERS!!!

    2012-SAVE THE REPUBLIC!

    NO MORE "resident" obama, mooochelle "antionette" & the cabal of marxist czars!

    GOD BLESS AMERICA! GOD SAVE THE REPUBLIC!

  • "Sotheby's Create Misery.mp4"

    OWS You schmucks are misery

  • extortion...

  • does the tea party do anything like this, like go to Union halls or businesses of people who support left wing causes?

  • I would love to put a bullet right through that faggot's brains.

  • @Athenesword14 Clearly that's the rational and proportional response.

  • @Kinglolcatz123 I started to say that all the restaurants patrons should throw their food at him, but that would be a waste of a good meal.

  • How is this not extortion? What do you have to do to get arrested video taping the crime isn't enough what do you have to do commit it in a police station?

  • @45 gunner - just bc you say it don't make it true. Polls show the majority of Americans support. I'm in the top 25% of earners, work for a major corporation and own a small business that I hope will become big. So your estimation of who we are is way off. It's you that is selfish and apparently violent too. Another violent and selfish man in Libya recently met his 'night of the long knives'.  As the bible says, you reap what you sow. Think about this when you talk about fate.

  • @MightyLifePirate -well "IF" you work for a major corporation & own a small business (like that restaurant IS a small business) & believe that these USELESS IDIOT flea-bags are doing right;well all I can say is: Good luck pal-YOU truly need it!

    As to my being selfish..., NO-Im not.

    As to being a violent man....NO; I'm not a violent man, but I am a man of violence (when needed/required)!, there is a difference, idk if you know that?

    G'day to you;

    GOD BLESS AMERICA! GOD "SAVE" THE REPUBLIC!

  • so ruining other people businesses must help the global economy ?

    2. you are just frigging jealous, that you are not competent enough to be asked to be a ceo. loser

    go do something useful

  • Think the Civil Rights demonstrations made people uncomfortable - you betcha.

  • The 99% know all about injustice. Standing up for justice and fairness is right it is courageous and we are not afraid. If you answer peace with baseball bats, then that furthers our cause - so thank you.

  • @MightyLifePirate -any USELESS idiot were to do this while Im out n about for dinner/drinks...then line up for batting practice pal....LOL!

    all these flea-bags know is the whole "gimme-gimme....I'm entitled" tired old song n dance number!

    What they dont know is that MOST Americans think they are USELESS idiots AND that they are being used by "resident" obama and his leash holder soros!

    Study Germany: "Richstad Fire", "The Enabling Act", "Night of the long knives"!

    this may be thier fate!

  • SO this "useless IDIOT!" wants to make other people (who are minding thier own business) uncomfortable and disrupt business and be unpeaceful;......well I would love to make him "uncomfortable" by knocking him on his pompus/self righteous ass!

  • when you fuck with other's livlihood's - or lack thereof - so does yours! This is a perfect example of the justice of Nemisis. Hoofuckingray.

    Make me want to burn my copy of Union Stree Cafe cookbook.

    Too bad that diner's may have to feel a little sumpin sumpin for the Southeby's workers when they're perfectly happy being idiots.

    OWS, Occupy Everything.

  • God bless the Occupiers!!!!

  • This guy's parents must be so proud

  • I would love to see someone drop that noisy punk and then toss his worthless butt out on the sidewalk. Pompous dweeb.

  • What a bunch of fucking losers. Occupy THIS shit-for-brains.

  • Guy in the striped shirt be a union goon acting as the little asswipe's bodyguard.

  • smfh

  • Take a baseball bat to these assholes. I wold for having to listen to their shit..

    gat jobs parasites.

  • I am a proud supporter of the Occupy Movement!

  • @Shirleyghh And you are a douchebag.

  • Great job OWS, that's courage!

  • I'm willing to bet that Meyer pays minimum wage if that much and everyone should be happy to be a wage slave. Thank God for Meyer, according to Chrisabray- we should all roll over and support a feudal system

  • @dancesforfun, you are "willing to bet" = you don't actually know. Tell you what, why don't you try this: go to Union Square Cafe and tell the employees you're going to target the restaurant for destruction, so you can do them the favor of freeing them from a "feudal system." Let me know what they say in response.

  • mkdawq07- there are no jobs asshole, that 's the point. Outsourcing and automation have displaced millions. if you can get your nose out of Meyer's behind long enough to read about what's going on maybe you'll learn something

  • @dancesforfun No jobs? I see thousands of openings listed everyday on craigslist. Or are these protesters too good for those jobs? Too entitled to start small and work up to something?

    I am the 53%

  • How about you quit "occupying" and find a job you moron

  • Danny Meyer owns a dozen busy restaurants that employ at least a couple hundred people each. How many jobs is that? How many people have paid their rent or their mortgage with their pay from one of Danny Meyer's restaurants? And this smug trustifarian kid in the Abercrombie & Fitch shirt, with the carefully cultivated razor stubble -- how many jobs has he created?

  • @chrisabray well, given the description you gave and factoring in the difference in ages...i come up with 1) more than you know, 2)the whole idea is about lets give him a stronger chance to find out. 3)when you loose your job or source of income it will be much clearer for you to understand.

  • It's so amazingly tangential: they're protesting Sotheby's, an auction house, by interfering with people eating dinner in a restaurant owned by someone who is on the Sotheby's board of directors. None of the people actually being disturbed has any apparent connection to the organization being protested -- there are just a bunch of people getting a drink after work, or having dinner, being pointlessly harassed. Saul Alinsky 101, I know, but pointless and self-defeating.

  • @chrisabray He's trying to let them know where their money is going. Try to think, think , think. analyze, analyze. Maybe if you stopped watching so much idiot tv maybe you'll get back some brain cells. Instead of just bashing people on cyberspace, why don't you get involved and empower yourself. It's quite exhilarating.The OWS are trying to fight for dignity and respect for our world and that we should start caring for each other instead of worshipping money as the above comments show.

  • @dancesforfun, they're not. Sotheby's doesn't make money from food and drink sales at Union Square Cafe.

  • @dancesforfun OWS is being co-opted for a one world government that will oppress people far beyond what you *think* corporate greed is doing now.

  • Sooo...... how are these OWS people *not* simply a pack of assholes?

  • Please come to my place of business so I can break your face with a baseball bat.

  • @faolbushcraft = what kind of name is faolbushcraft- sounds like fat old bush crack fart- try hurting someone with a baseball bat and you'll be hearing the sounds of clink clink for years. LOL

  • @dancesforfun

    Actually since it is a private business they have a right to defend themselves, their property, and their customers. Therefore the only one going to jail would be that fool that thought he could "occupy" a private business.

  • @dancesforfun Yeah, cause walking into a private business and threatening to disrupt it on a daily basis is not extortion ... IN YOUR WORLD. the rest of us .. well yeah it is. Camon in and find the FAST way out ...

  • @faolbushcraft Please try it so you can go to jail and shut up.

  • @faolbushcraft .....AMEN Brother!

  • @faolbushcraft I bet that the patrons would buy you a drink if you did. Nobody supports these losers but the very people who created the mess to begin with.

  • @faolbushcraft Good, I'd love to see you in jail for the rest of your life.

  • @MichaelTFester Actually, since a resturant, like the one in the video, is private property, the owners of the place can ask you, at any time, to leave if you are causing a disruption. If you cause further trouble, they do have the right to fight back, in some cases with lethal force. Think about it. The OWS people are protesting because of the lack of jobs, yet there they are, messing with someone's paycheck (not just the owner BTW).

  • What a douchebag.

    That's all I have to say.

  • Business owners in New York need to start hiring bouncers to keep the Occupiers out of their stores and shops.

  • If you don't think they pay you enough, then go get a job somewhere else.

    If you think their business is reaping way too high of profit margins, then move in and open up a business to compete with them with much lower prices.

    Otherwise, you just appear like a cry baby who is jealous with envy.

  • Oddly I don't hear him protesting against the money obummer crapped away on "green products," big labor bailouts, etc. No, he's there to interrupt people dining....not to mention screwing it up for the ppl who work there trying to make a living. Must be nice to be an overprivileged jerk living in mommy's basement and taking an elitist tone against other ppl who work for a living. Hope his folks are proud.

  • Keep doing stuff like this, protestors. Disruptive protests were what pushed the public into the arms of the Republicans in 1968. So, thanks!

  • You missed my point completely... I have nothing wrong with benefiting from your family. Just i do have an issue when people who do and then believe that where they are in life is all based on their own merit and that other people who struggle do so because of their own lack of motivation and smarts. I think that too many people are on their high horse and conveniently forget to realize how they got to their situation. I admit that i had help but realize that i am no better then others.

  • @matte454 My station is life has been solely determined by me. I've worked my ass off and got nothing from my parents as we had very little money growing up. But they did teach me that nobody owes you anything, you need to earn it. Never once was I told that no matter how worthless you are society owes you something. Bullshit, the vast majority of poor people are poor because of the decisions they have made in their life. I owe them nothing.

  • I don't know Danny Meyers, but if you don't like his businesses, then start your own you goofball. If he were disrupting my shop like this, I'd wrestle him out fast than he could clink his glass.

  • I am calling the bluff and would like to hear the positions and economic situation of all of the people on here denouncing the OWS protesters. I stand by my accusation that they either have help from family, aquired their wealth in past decades or are completely ignorant and just jealous of union members who receive healthcare and a living wage. I hate this mcjobs reality for our generation, the average worker earns 7 bucks an hour and the manager earns 12 as a reward for hard work. both poor!

  • @matte454 LOL What is wrong with getting "help" from the fruits of your families work?

    You aren't mad at the system, you are made at your dad.

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  • @matte454 Simply put, you're worth what your skills say you are and no more. Union members make a damned sight more than the rest of us for a lot less work but then in a lovely kickback scheme your union dues are extorted to fund democrat politicians. I see none of the idiots protesting obummer who's taken more money from wall st. than any other politician, or GE which paid no taxes and outsourced, to China, ditto with Apple...your outrage is remarkably selective and one sided/biased.

  • @matte454 I'm willing to bet that these people either work for Meyer or are a bunch of drunks, bar flies who love to pay $15 for drinks at these overpriced, stuck up snob bars so they can tell everyone where they drink and kiss ass- trying to show they're worth something by throwing their money at some greedy moneyworshipper.

  • @matte454 You want to call bullshit??? I am 48 with 3 kids, I made my own way after being a stay at home mom for most of my adult life......Guess what asshole??? I taught MYSELF how to use the computer while my kids napped and were at school. I don't have a degree yet I am a National Sales manager for an advertising agency!!!!! All by myself, WITHOUT a college degree!!! I get job offers all the time, so you can kiss my ass!!!!!

  • And another thing you little shit! My older sons are 20 and 19 and they don't WHINE!!! They are totally INDEPENDENT!!! Go cry to your Mommy and Daddy!!!

  • 30 years ago the ceo earned 3-10x the wage of the average worker, now it is over 100x. 55% of Americans earn under 25k a year yet the amount of millionaires increaded 18% this year. I believe in rewarding hard work but seriously we cant continue policy that keeps increasing the supply and lowering the demand for labour. Right now we have highly skilled and educated people fighting for jobs that wont lift them above the poverty line. Is this really ideal?

  • All you folks bashing these ows protesters either got established in better times or had family backing. 30 years ago when unions were strong and powerful an executives received 3x the wage of a worker, now it is over 100x! Workers got health benefits and a voice. DONT BUY INTO THE BS THAT A LIVING WAGE AND HEALTHCARE ARE TOO EXPENSIVE! ! ! I am not a hippie, i am 23, work in union oil and gas, have diploma, make a 6 figure salary, own a house, ect. I know im the rarity but i shouldnt be!!

  • @matte454 30 years ago the union scum didn't have competition for their garbage products and they raped the American public for absurd wages. Now they are getting exactly what they deserve.

  • next time they show up everyone start clinking their glasses in unison, or shout "marxist go home!"

  • @vllmer -Marxist -that's a big word -do you know what it means? Do you know how to pronounce it? LOL

  • All I know is that the comments appearing in all caps are the ones that convince me the most. If your comment isn't important it will likely use proper casing.

  • asshat.

  • Unions have thrashed our country. And at a time that most people have had to make concessions the Unions refuse to help American business stay afloat. With the laws that we have on the books to protect employees we don't need Greedy Unions! Unions breed lazy workers....So this kid needs to shut up!

  • The OWS protesters , like most left wing protesters, don't get that their rights do no supercede the rights of others.

    a "peaceable assemble" is not chanting in a restraurant, it's not blocking streets, harrassing passerbys, it's not hogging a public use park. Its not even unpermited marches.

    OTHER people have rights and they aren't put on hold because of crazy people

  • Your rights end where the rights of others begin You can not "protest" at the expense of others people's rights.

    It's the reason why your grandma can sleep at night and not be kept awake by her neighbors loud music..It's why you can get work without some bozos blocking the street .

    A free society is one where the rights of citizens are protected FROM the governement and people in power, AND other citizens

    A free society FOR ALL is NOT do anything you want at anytime. and anywhere.

  • What a bunch of losers. These people need to get a job, these people have Education and work ethic envy! I would kick them to the curb so fast. To these idiots, get a life, get a job, or start your own business, and maybe you won't be so quick to condemn those who have sacrificed so much to get ahaead.

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  • Great!! Now the Obama's campaigns OWS are bugging people while they eat.!!

    LOL

  • Wow, you mean businesses don't like some know it all jackasses trying to bully them into policies that would make it difficult to provide for their families, run their businesses, and employ people from the community? Way to go OWS, you're retarded. I don't mean that as an insult, no. I mean that OWS shows a complete lack of ability to learn basic economic principles and live in society. Since you're all disabled, you should get help from Eggleston Services, they help millions of people.

  • What the customers did in the video was exactly the right thing to do: Ignore the protesters. Ignore the Occupy Wall Street loons and they will wither without the attention.

  • Let's use the right term for these mopes....Flea Baggers...they stink, they crap in the street and they have shit for brains.

  • what a loser.

  • DAVIDCOMBSBLOQ-GET THE VIOLINS OUT, so Meyer has employed many in his restaurants. How many get more than $5 bucks an hour.. Slave wages, something to aspire to.

  • @dancesforfun Guess you NEVER worked in the Restaurant business........why don't you stfu!

  • @gagrits1 - I don't have to work in the restaurant business. i know people in the restaurant business and i know they're treated like slaves. they also depend on tips since restaurants are not regulated the same as other businesses. so go fys, You must be related to this Meyer asshole since you're defending a prick that exploits his workers and is part of an organization(Sotheby's) that makes millions but wants to impoverish workers. Money, the root of all evil

  • @dancesforfun

    You obviously dont have a clue. Restaurant workers in NY can easily make $100 a single shift in tips and more on weekends, more for double shifts - and thats just the bus boys. You must know people that work in Burger King, cause Restaurants in NY are the place to work if you want quick cash.

  • @dancesforfun You are an arrogant little shit and when the world comes crashing down on you, you'll be in the fetal position begging for food.........I hope you starve.

  • SINCE UNCLEFACTS WANTS TO BEAT UP PEOPLE, MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE A BOYCOTT OF HIS ESTABLISHMENT IF HE REALLY HAS A BUSINESS WHICH I DOUBT.

  • I would have asked him to leave as he was disrupting my drink or dinner. When he refused I would have moved his lilly white punk ass.

  • For the numbskull who says to get a job. THERE ARE NO JOBS, AUTOMATION , and OUTSOURCING HAVE ELIMINATED THEM, BUT THEN HOW COULD YOU KNOW SINCE YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF CRITICAL THINKING AND LEARNING.

  • Someone should have bashed this little Pussy over the head with a Bottle of Champagne and had all the customers piss all over him.. Fuck OWS!

  • Somebody should have shanked that feminine loser.

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  • These lazy-losers are the future generation of this county! Shut up and go get a job!

  • @hengamesayad They really are not although they still will be wandering around WHINING because they spent hundred's of thousands of dollars on useless degrees, only to be working at The Gap! LOL! They still have their hands out and Mommy and Daddy paying their way...........crybabies.

  • Glad to see the sentiment is the same. If that little bitch walked into my business and did that I would have slapped him across his face, little twerp! Oh wait I take that back, his Rich Daddy lawyer would hit me with a lawsuit, little trust-fund jerkoffs

  • I love it how this IDIOT that is protesting this restaurant BOUGHT a beer from the restaurant. Shows you how dumb these tools really are. GO OCCUPY A JOB OR DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE!

  • left wing nancyboys

  • OWS = a bunch of hippies. where o'where ist thou Hitler when needed?

  • CALL THE COPS...have the scumbag arrested!

  • @sandio713 Why waste their time. Leave him and his boyfriends in a bloody heap on the sidewalk.

  • @Luka1410...so you think assault of a peaceful protestor would be legal as long as they were on private property...I don't think so.

  • @SOBXDWG this is not a peaceful protest. this is a sickening crowd of bums. Making a mess, sleeping all over the park and making a city look like a slum. DO NOT COMPARE THIS TO THE TEA PARTY. The TEA PARTY have more class in their little finger than this bunch of fools. GOD HELP US.

  • @SOBXDWG Try to stick with one line of thought. The little asshole has no right to free speech in a private place. And while it wouldn't be legal to beat the shit out of him, it would be satisfying. Of course he'd have a hard time finding witnesses after annoying the crap out of everyone.

  • @Luka1410 I take it you don't agree with his rants either? Why leave him in a bloody heap...that's exactly what they want...someone to get "froggy" with them so they can sue and live off the earnings. That way they don't have to work for their money, which is their intent anyway. Why give them what they are looking for?

  • AYFKM? Three guys interrupting pre-dinner cocktails to whine art handlers? The Teamsters have become so sad. James R. Hoffa must be rolling in his graves. I'll openly weep the next time I watch the movie Hoffa. I hope young Harrison Magee, the aspiring union organizer, at least had the grapes enough to leave less than 15% for his imported Irish stout.

  • Stinking commie, if he and his kind came into my place he'd have eaten a 7.92mm sandwich.

  • @SwordofDivision...lol...nice to see you support others 1st amendment rights. Typ Con

  • @SOBXDWG It's private property. The little asshole has no 1st amendment rights on private property.

  • I would have him arrested for trespassing and disturbing the peace!!! What a douchebag. GET A JOB SPARKLING WIGGLES!

  • The only way we can truly deal with these types of ideas it to educate and show them that socialism and communism don't work. We need to hold to the truth. The good and the bad. Don't hide from it. Socialism doesn't work plan and simple and neither does the corporate capitalism we are currently running. We need to go back to true capitalism and a gold standard.

  • what ass holes, fucking liberals

  • Red Basterds... you should burn them just like Roseneberg couple in late 40's

  • This kid a douchebag

  • Damn.. I could be a scab. I put in an application there. LOL

  • ows + unions = syndicalism

  • Stupid Hippies Bully ... kick this idiot ass already.

  • I BET THE LITTLE PANSIES DIDN'T EVEN TIP.

    BUST THE UNIONS!

  • I saved money but now it's not enough. And I paid into social security for 50 years. Does that count. Crazy bank fees and big business are unfair. Higher prices charged by big business and bank fees are killing me. Unless you are rich lets see how you feel in 40 years. I worked hard and saved but the downturn in the economy and greed of the very rich have taken it away.

  • @gwaven123 I bet one of those rich people helped you make a living to support your family and HAVE A RETIREMENT- Come on, use your common sense. If businesses were not started by these people we would all be poor, on public assistance and waiting in line for our rations. OH WAIT- that is what the liberals want.

  • His parents must be so proud that they raised a real loser.

  • WTF gives you the right to go into a private business and make demands?Totalitarian operative plants. See the fat guy behind him? Obviously a Union thug.

  • THIS GUY IS A REAL JACKASS AS ARE MOST OF THE OCCUPY WALL STREET PROTESTORS. 

  • OWS is full of idiots...

  • Unions are for lazy bums, like the one in this video. Thats a private business, If i were a patron I would have body slammed him through the front door and gladly paid the fine for accidentally tripping over a dummy. If the morons really cared about their cause, they would throw out their iPhones, walk around without any clothes, and definitively not be drinking beer - all products of companies with CEOs. They dont care, they are just spoiled and want more for free.

  • @BahamasSecurity easy your ignorance is showing. after you loose your job for not showing up... because you were incarcerated for being stupid enough to "attempt murder." (the whole guy through window thing). you would need a union hall to get another job. a condition of your parole, a group of people who can understand "where you've been" and not only won"t but can't get you fired because you are now legally labeled "dangerous". all because your good-time was interrupted. do you get the point?

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  • @BahamasSecurity you are way too uptight and dense. hopefully you will be safe with all of your "expertise and security." i am saying you never know what will happen. you might need help from someone someday.

  • @bknlv525

    Nope, unlike you I dont take handouts from the government.

    I work for a living.

  • GO! OccupyWallstreet. Sick of anyone to rich to pay tax and all of those little BANK OF AMERICA bank fees. We bailed them out!! No inflation! Are you kidding me! I am trying to live on Social Security that is going away. I am 70 years old. Retired from a job that I loved. Big business is ripping me off.

  • @gwaven123 Why didn't you save some money instead of relying on SS?

  • @gwaven123 The BoA fees are because of the laws passed by the democrats, NOT because Bank of America wants to bilk money. Other banks are following suit. This is standard procedure. If production and operating costs are incurred, that cost is passed down to the consumer. Blame Washington if you want to blame someone.

  • Obama sent hundreds of millions of dollars to WALL STREET and you don't see this mindless follower protesting him now do you...?

  • Moron - I hope this guy dies in a fire... If I was there I would have jacked him up. pussy

  • "WE ARE AGAINST DANNY MEYER.... hey can I get a beer please?" "Sure, that'll be 15 dollars" *reaches into pocket to pay the 15 Dollars* "Here ya go" *waiter takes the money* *gulp gulp* "Yeah...so as I was saying WE ARE AGAINST DANNY MEYER AND ALL WHO SUPPORT AND PAY FOR HIM!" Damn hypocrite right there..

  • @tannerwaterbury Do you think he gave the exploited Bartender a good tip????

  • @infanty11 -so you recognize the fact that the bartender is exploited. see if you can attain some critical thinking and understand that our economy is based on exploitation and predation. That billionaires such as Gates use monolopies to stop competiition. He even tried to cut out his partner since college when he was under cancer treatment, That's what i call a good man.

  • @dancesforfun I don't know what your idea of exploitation is......I never felt exploited when I bartended and made upwards of $300.00 per NIGHT CASH!

  • @dancesforfun Why don't you get a real job and quit trying to take MY money for your shit!!! I don't OWE you a thing!!!

  • This is fucking stupid

  • Did we run out of rubber bullets or gas? Fuck you hippies destroy them all!!

  • All Day! All Week! This guy is a big Douchbag! (doesn't have to rhyme, it's just true)

  • Yawn..........................­............

  • Looks like we just watched a guy commit felony extortion on tape.

  • Brown shirts.

  • I had never heard of this place before. But I'm going to start eating at that cafe on a regular basis now.

  • We are the 20% who can't count, reason, or form simple logical conclusions. We like living out of backpacks, not having to shower, free food (and anything else we can get our grubby little hands on), bullhorns, 2nd grade hand signals, simplistic chanting/droning, and passing the proverbial buck (which we never earned).

    March on, valiant numbskull.

  • As long as filthy gays suffer and get no rights, I'm happy.

  • that was rude!

  • After all the losses we 99% citizenry suffered its small beans that the restaurant patrons had to listen for a moment. Seems rude but considering our desperate times its a tiny inconvenience. The point to be taken is that Occupy isnt going away and all the naysayers should listen and join the conversation instead of hate.