@durianriders, Thanks for bringing this video to my attention. You are right, they are very misinformed and ignorant. I used to have respect for the "Raw Brahs". If they are going to eat animals, they need to kill the animals with their bare hands and experience it firsthand the needless suffering that animals go through. Won't be watching this channel anymore.
I see the best functional MD in ATL. He says I don't have to eat animal products, but I do need to have protein so I don't become protein deficient. He said I can eat some beans or nuts or put a little protein powder into our smoothies. He says B12 deficiency is something that meat eaters get, too. It's easy to fix and still stay raw vegan. Meat causes cancer and it's been proven: you guys really should check out the movie Forks over Knives :) With love!
@TheMostITP Thanks for your input. Meat is very controversial...research and you can find whatever your looking for. You can find meat causes cancer or you can find examples of people being healed of cancer eating a meat based diet. You should google the Masai Tribe to get a perspective from the other side! In the book Healthy at 100 John Robbins explains even Colin Cambell eats fish occasionally.
Excessive food hygiene is a problem, it's true. Even cows and orangutans are not true vegans but I don't define my diet by the scraps of dairy and shellfish I sometimes eat (which don't help with B12 anyway).
@imnotabear "I don't define my diet by the scraps of dairy and shellfish I sometimes eat..." Yeah but you still have to taste/swallow it and consider it food. How disgusting, really! If you can't stand the smell/taste/sight of it as it comes from nature, it is probably not good to put in your body. Case in point: suck that dairy straight out of the cow teats and tell me how great it is; or breath deep that ammonia and rot from that raw shellfish. Ralph!
It's definitely a tricky one guys, I do know what you mean. I like including some fish in my diet.
I believe though that as well as oral B12 supplements (which I would be amazed if they didn't work o.O) you can also take chlorella and probably sublingual B12? I dunno for sure, but I don't think you have to kill animals. I wouldn't kill a pig or anything like that >.<
We'll see eh? It's all a learning experience. Don't write off supplementary B12 though :)
Could you guys do one of the get to know you tags! We know you're all into nutrition and eating raw. But I think we'd like to get to know each one of you differently. What makes each of you unique. Please :)
Just a few notes about land use to raise fruits and veggis vs. animal products:
It takes up to 16 pounds of grain to produce just 1 pound of meat, and even fish on fish farms must be fed up to 5 pounds of wild-caught fish to produce 1 pound of farmed fish flesh.
More than 260 million acres of U.S. forest have been cleared to create cropland to grow grain to feed farmed animals. It takes more than 11 times as much fossil fuel to make one calorie from animal protein as it does to make one calorie from plant protein. It takes more than 2,400 gallons of water to produce 1 pound of meat, while growing 1 pound of wheat only requires 25 gallons.
I want to know what the biggest difference between you three brothers is? Do you have any personal interests that the other brothers might not share? What makes you unique?
Basically, my absorption is all messed up - even after 7 months raw vegan - so I take supplements (enzymes, vitamins & marine omega-3 oil) ... guys, please don't be hating - sometimes it's just the right thing for a person to do. I'm happier & healthier than I've been in 20 years, all the more so for not stressing about feeling that I should be sticking to every aspect of the diet dogmatically . . .
What about the durianrider and the life regenerator who after 8 or 10 years raw have perfect (including b-12) blood work. The durianrider even shows his blood work in his videos. BANANAS HAVE B-12 and B-6 ! Besides, I'm finding that I'm getting grossed out by the sight of raw meat more often. Also, why use recycled amino acids when I can get fresh ones for myself? Or recycled omegas when I can eat sea weed for myself.Yeah, I'd rather have liquid sunshine than a 60-74% clean up job form flesh.
To refer to Sharon Gannon's book, 'Yoga and Vegetarianism', ahimsa (non-harming) is meant to be a practice, not an absolute. It's impossible for us to be alive and not kill, due to the presence of tiny beings in air and water, bugs we accidentally kill etc. But it's a lifelong practice to live skillfully and cause the least amount of harm.
This is my first time watching these guys, I have been watching Raw radiant health for a year or so now and she has b12 issues. It made her really sad to have to eat animal products and she even tried injections. I think that you just have to do what you have to do ya know? No hate, just love! :)
@westindixie Why didn't she just eat some fortified cereal and 'milk' (soy, admond, rice)? Being raw is too far out for me, just being a vegan is fine.
@westindixie You are so right in having to do what is right for "you".I am B-12 deficient in a dangerously low range eating either way. Now I am on weekly intramuscular injections with changing my diet under a medical doctor's advice. My Dr. loves the way I go Vegan/Raw but it is just not working for me right now.So, I am doing what is best for my health. I truly believe having an open mind, lots of research and using the skills of every source you can reach is the the "best" way for me now.
@westindixie Injections are the answer, b12 deficiencies are caused by low intrinsic factor production. Without IF, you cannot absorb b12. Additionally, the body only produces enough IF to absorb about 100mcg per day. Injections bypass the bodies absorption mechanisms and ensure proper uptake.
@CerebralPrince10 I think that it should be pretty well established that optimal health requires supplementation of at least a few things. Vitamin D and B12 are the most popular.
for thousands, millions, or billions of years (depending on your religious views) the human race has thrived, evolved, and prospered without the use of pills, drugs, or supplements. I mean what came first, human beings or vitamin supplementation?
There is no rule that says a human being has to be deficient in anything, and if your lifestyle is leaving you deficent you should probably change it.
@CerebralPrince10@durianriders point is that b12 deficiency affects everyone, not just vegan/vegetarian. My point is that science has given us knowledge of nutrition that we did not have previously, we can't say for sure whether or not our ancestors were deficient in b12, but we can say that a lot of people today on varying diets *are* b12 deficient, including peoples on "paleo" diets. If you look the physical progress of athletes over time, you'll see that they are much more fit
My point is the fact that the paleo diet isn't perfect doesn't make vegan/veggie any better. I stand by my previous comment " if your lifestyle is leaving you deficent you should probably change it"
There are vegetarians, vegans, and non drug/supplement users who are NOT b12 deficient, but EVERY SINGLE PERSON that I've come across on the 811 plan is B12 deficient. Just because there are meat eaters who have deficiencies doesn't mean 811ers can ignore theirs
what does that have to do with drugs/supplements? Are you saying that athleticism is the benchmark for health? If so I can say many of today's athletes eat candy, meat, eggs, energy drinks, soda and other junk food (Michael Phelps and Lamar Odom come to mind) is that the advantage science has given us?
@CerebralPrince10 No, I'm saying that science has given us the knowledge of certain things that will provide us some health benefit if consumed in sufficient quantities. Likewise, we know that other things when consumed to frequently have negative health benefits.
Also realize that science doesn't have all the answers. Think of how flawed our current nutritional model is (food pyramid). Personally I feel as if we, as a society, need to reexamine how we perceive health and fitness at the most fundamental level. Why eat (especially since we are naturally liquidarian from breast milk)? why exercise (since it is a highly taxing and highly oxidative process)? why drink (since plain water just dilutes the blood and taxes the kidneys) etc.
@CerebralPrince10 If you're advocating breatharianism, you're a quack. Otherwise it's pretty obvious. 1) we eat because when we are born our digestive systems are not fully developed, populated, just like most other mammals. 2) We exercise because otherwise we have poor cardiovascular health that leads to premature death. 3) We drink because our body loses body and requires replenishment. Your reasoning is very poor. It's like saying, don't drive your car, push it, otherwise it will wear out.
Breatharianism aside, resorting to childish insults "quack" just makes you look ignorant and serves no purpose. To be honest all of your explanaitons, as "pretty obvious" as they may seem to you, are all flawed and short sided.
1. You say we eat to develop the system to deal with the food we eat?
2. You make the assumption that cv health is solely based on exercise, which in some cases can be detrimental to cv health (think of heart attacks among marathon runners)
3. Honestly I'd say we drink because we do so many things that dehydrate us, notably eating food under 80% water content. Also you are making the assumption that the body "loses", while most people dehydrate themselves with the foods they eat and carry around a 5-20 pound spare tire which increases their work load, it would be a false assumption to say EVERYBODY loses.
@CerebralPrince10 I meant to say our body loses water through natural processes, sweat, urine, feces, this needs replaced through some form of water replenishment.To eschew what little we do know of nutrition as patently false I think leads us down the wrong path. We know that the body can't absorb enough b12 on its own for optimal phyiscal performance, the worlds top athletes show us that. Now are there examples where these top athletes make poor health choices? Absolutely.
While the body does loses water through sweat urine and feces you are making the assumption that one has to urinate sweat and/or defecate. While I'm not a breatharian I have had my share of water and dry fasts and I can say when I don't eat I don't sweat or defecate and on my dry fasts I don't lose water urinating. The point I'm trying to make is that nutrition is based on so many assumptions. Just because it applies to most people doesn't mean it applies to everyone/theideal
The point I'm trying to make is that no diet is ideal, and every diet out there somebody has failed on. Considering the current health crisis, I feel we need to reexamine things at the most basic level (which is why I ask questions like why eat why drink). No diet has been proven to make people immortal and millions die because of food related causes daily. As for B12 there are people out there who have high B12 levels (meat eater and vegan) so that statement is incorrect.
@CerebralPrince10 Michael Phelps eats a pizza a day + loads of other crap, could he swim faster on healthier calories? We like to think so, but we don't know for sure. Will he suffer long term health consequences? We won't know that either, but some like to think that he will. What we are left doing though is based on what we do know and how to convince others that what we know will produce better results than what they know.
b12 deficiencies occur also in the meat-eating population. this is due to all the crap lodged in our colon which causes an inability to absorb the b12. your diet, your choice. however, i hope you stick to humanely treated animals for your dairy, eggs and/or meat and eat it sparingly... fresh fruits and herbs for the rest. good luck on your journey!
Haha I love how fickle the 811 community is. This just has to be said. For months you idolize these three guys as prime examples of raw health and fitness, but when they question one thing and make the slightest deviation following their intuition everybody turns of them. While I certainly do not eat animal products as I am a fruitarian, B12 issues among raw vegans (certainly among 811ers) are highly prevalent and even your master (Harley) says he supplements B12
@CerebralPrince10 Hey CP, both Jordan and Phelps use b12 shots. Look it up. Ring up the best coach you know and ask em.
Rawbrahs just took some bad advice and bought into the fear propaganda that is peddled by the death machine meat and dairy industries. Saying that 100% of vegans have b12 issues and ONLY vegans get b12 issues and NEVER animal eaters is like saying only volvo drivers need air bags.
Michael Jordan? Michael Phelps? Out of everything Ive heard or seen about their diets I've never come across anything about B12 injections
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Regardless, I totally agree with you that animal products are not the solution for B12 deficency, or for anything really. However, if you are going to advocate a diet/lifestyle (in this case 811) as ideal, it should be able to address nutritional issues such as B12. Ever think all that water is diluting your blood of valuable nutrients?
@jungledrumnbass4ever AND what did all the humans eat before they created tools and discovered fire??? humans survived on a mainly plant based diet for millenia before meat & cooking was introduced into the diet... when that did come into play - meat & cooked food was celebrated at special occassions during times of abundance only. we were hunter gatherers - & that doesn't mean "hunter killing" but food hunting which includes berries n such - this overconsumptive world is NOT natural
@jungledrumnbass4ever Thousands of years yes, but potentially hundreds of thousands on a plant/insect based diet. Our ability to consume meat and grain is what allowed us to migrate from the tropics. Cows apparently can do well on meat too, but does that mean they achieve optimal health? No.
@jungledrumnbass4ever It was an analogy. Just because you *can* do something, doesn't mean it's best for you. You can live off of cherry coke and now and laters for quite a while before it catches up to you.
@therawlifefamily theres nothing wrong with eating meat and fish for health, my grandad is in hes 80's. i dont know of anyone hes age group as in shape as him. he doesnt smoke, rarely drinks alcohol. he eats meat, fish, homegrown veg. etc
plenty of exercise,positive attidude and a well balanced diet is the key to health.
@jungledrumnbass4ever As great as the example may be, it cant be used as the basis of sound health. Some of the oldest living humans on the planet smoked most of their lives, people over 100. Does that mean smoking extends ones longevity? Probably not.
@therawlifefamily i think your genes have alot to do with it, some people eat well and end up with cancer, others eat junk and live for years. i think balance is the key.
some people get obsessed with food, theres more to life than worrying about it.
@jungledrumnbass4ever I know science is not 100% correct, but there is evidence suggesting negative health impacts linked with consumption of animal protein, or diets high in protein. Sure you can be healthy and live to be 100 by eating meat every day and even smoking, but it is highly likely that those habits will have shortened your lifespan or lead you to be less healthy than your potential.
No physiologic and morphologic characteristics of meat eaters prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that humans never have meat for any substantial part of their formation or evolution.
cont'd... "B12 synthesis is known to occur naturally in the human small intestine (in the ileum), which is the primary site of B12 absorption. As long as gut bacteria have cobalt and certain other nutrients, they produce vitamin B12."
"No foods naturally contain vitamin B12 - neither animal or plant foods. Vitamin B12 is a microbe - a bacteria - it is produced by microorganisms. Vitamin B12 is the only vitamin that contains a trace element - cobalt - which gives this vitamin its chemical name cobalamin - which is at the centre of its molecular structure. Humans and all vertebrates require cobalt, although it is assimilated only in the form of vitamin B12." cont'd...
Oh and there are obvious differences between a bug and a cow in that one is a sentient creature. That attempt at justification was an insulting failure. :(
The land that was cleared to feed the cow you are telling me to eat is more than what would be cleared for me alone as a vegan... Personally vegan is more important to me than raw, and I will continue to take my b12 supplements and remain vegan. But for you guys if you are wondering how much animal product to include in your diet, much of the literature I have perused in the past tells me that chimps consume 5-10% of their daily intake as animal protein. That seems fair enough I suppose.
I will say the same as the top rated comment... devastating and unexpected.
In my opinion, being vegan is (far) more important than being raw. Planting fruit trees and growing a sustainable garden does not destroy life at all whatsoever.
Not everything works for everyone. However it is a fact that meat, especially cooked meat has no value. In fact most meat is deficient in protein and when you cook it you lose whatever protein was left. A lot of people who eat meat are protein deficient. Like tryptophan Deficiencies. These are amino acids that ate essential and destroyed by heat. Not to mention carcinogens. Vitamin B12 can be supplemented easily. Krill oil is a great source, as well as marine phytoplankton, methylcobalamin B12,
an't we all just debate nicely? Why the hardcore hate messages? Spread the Love and Peace.
Can Someone clarify this for me? Isn't the whole idea of being vegan, against eating meat, that you don't want the mass slaughter of animals? Or is it also that you don't want to ever want anyone to kill an animals period for any reason?
I mean, I love animals, don't want them bread to be slaughtered anymore, but what is wrong with how Native Americans did it? Kill animal, eat it, use all of it. In the food chain, animals eat other animals. Why can't we have some if it is done properly?
@1Openminded1 In the end it became about gluttony, the forgotten sin. The taste of flesh is intriguing. (I speak as a vegan.) People wanted more and more meat. Then they wanted it cheaper. Hence: factory farms... Also, the human meat eating population keeps growing. It just isn't sustainable anymore for humans to subsist off meat.
@shumila I can dig that. I agree with that always even before you said it that is how I feel. But if you want protein and b12 you can have raw organic cow milk and raw chicken eggs (where the animals are treated lovingly and free range), these are things i want in my diet and as a vegan i would not be allowed to. So i will not miss out on those things just because someone wants me to fit in a label. That's what hardcore vegan is turning in to. Another fad, label where people get angry bout it.
Just want you guys to know that I too have unsubscribed from your channel. Personally, I prefer to listen to the wisdom and knowledge of other folks who have been true to the raw vegan lifestyle and are thriving and not to guys that rave about being raw vegans one moment and are eating meat the next. Oh, and don't use an example of killing bugs to plant a garden. Look up how much water and food it takes a cow to grow to maturity. No comparison.
I'm getting a lot of emails from this, so to end it I will say this: I respect your decision, not everyone can go raw and stay raw, but do not have a channel claiming you are the RAWBRAHS when clearly you are not. Thanks for the entertainment, wish you the best of luck on your journey.
@SecretsOfLongevity what i am saying is there is no good food source for B12, while algaes and yeast are said to have b12, they are infact analogue. While Chlorella may have an active source of B12, I am in for this for my health as well not for some dogma to be all raw, but eating animals for B12 when we all know dead meat is exactly that, DEAD. Methylcobalamin B12 or Perque are best.
To say that raw vegans are getting protein from worms or whatever to justify you eating meat is horrible. The intent is to eat well, as a raw vegan my intention is to eat fruits veggies nuts seeds, I do not intentionally go out an make excuses why I should eat meat. Thats what you are doing. You DO NOT need shots there are many other ways to get b12.
You give no facts to back up what you are saying. Animal foods do not give you b-12. Why else would so many meat-eaters have b-12 issues?? You didn't do enough research into this. Also if you felt stronger in the gym by including meat all that means is you wasn't eating enough calories. Meat is calorie dense. I know this from experience as the first time I tried eating raw I lost strength and alot of weight. Then when I found 80/10/10 and ate plenty of calories 3500-4000
Nate I am glad you are back! :) Its important to really find out what does work best for you! Don't worry about the people treating you like you are committing genocide. We know that you show love and compassion to animals and people, and will find something that greatly benefits your health without compromising your values! <3
I supplement B12 through a patch. It's better blood absorption than an injection or a sublingual. No animals had to suffer for that.
Still enjoy your channel, will still keep watching the videos. Pls just don't turn into a Daniel Vitalis or David Wolfe, those guys are total f*cking douchers
Use to be raw vegan myself thinking it was the holy grail of health. Glad I was able to get myself out of all that dogma. I now eat all free range grass fed animal products and am so much healthier both mentally and physically.
This is more of an ethical issue than a belief issue. People should not remain silenced when someone gives a legitimacy to exploitation of others who have no voice. A famous man once said:
"Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with."
I respect your viewpoint, but I do believe ( ethical/moral standpoint) that they have the right to see what works best for themselves, and although I may disagree, as many people do obviously, it's not right for people to continue to belittle them, cast negative judgements, and tell them how They should be doing things.
I do not believe verbal attacks are 'non-violent' by the way.
i have to agree with the others, this video was a dissapointment. you have more research to do. the argument that one animal vs a garden is flawed because it takes much more plant matter to raise that one animal.
b12 is an absorption issue. have you guys actually read doug grahams work? it seems you've jumped from diet to diet without really trying anything out. my b12 was lowest on a standard diet. now that i've removed salts, garlic and other toxins my levels are much higher.
Pro-tip for the raw brahs, muscle meats contain toxic proteins that need to be balanced by eating the whole animal i.e. gelatin. You would be better off including animal products like liver, bugs and shellfish
Pro-tip for the raw brahs, muscle meats contain toxic protiens that need to be balanced by eating the whole animal i.e. gelatin. You would be better off including animal products like liver, bugs and shellfish
Don't do whatever the big marketers tell you to do. They're just as manipulative as the commercial marketers. Avocados are rich...and yes, read into that.
Don't do whatever the big marketers tell you to do. They're just as manipulative as the commercial big marketers. Avocados are rich...and yes, read into that.
I really don't understand what's the deal with "I don't wana take b12 injections all my life, so I don't have other options than to eat animal products" thing.
Just take sublingual b12 supp and you don't have to exploit our animal friens. Who said you must take injections?
Be careful with raw animal products as Ive had a few mates get pathogenic bacteria infections resulting in hospitalisation. One friend died during a water fast after eating contaminated raw meat. She was a housemate in Adelaide.
Ive got a handful of friends that eat raw animal products. After years of this habit, they still have serum b12 deficiency.
If b12 deficiency was a 'vegan only' thing then ONLY vegans would have it vs 39% of the US population according to a recent Tufts Uni study. :(
@durianriders 1 way to know is stop injections ,eat meat and test the blood. i'm lfrv now but in the past i've hunted , commercial fished ..etc so as someone not swayed by gore ,i'd welcome Brahs vids of proper animal procurement . Though if its strictly about b12 there are so many more reasons to take a shot . Meat seem like such a round-about way to get it
More power to you Bros , its just odd to hear raw vegans talk about eating meat
@durianriders I just take a supplement to cover my B12 needs and I do my best getting enough sun for my vitamin D.. it is a solarium due to me living in the north.. most of the time we have no sun... even in the summer.. I`m looking into converting more towards the RAW side, right now I consume starches, I have great success with that. =)
I don't think subscriptions is what you guys are really all about. Let me tell u something, if people unsub because of this video you're not gonna miss them anyway. We just have to think back to the party scene in this video to see your attitude on this. It's not the most important thing in the world and the world isn't shattering because some people on youtube are going bananas. Maybe you'll get a more balanced audience because of videos like this although i'm checking it no matter what u eat.
Damn brahs, you're getting a lot of flack from rawfoodists. It's quite funny and sad to see what some people are still believing around here. I don't know everything but from the responses of a lot of these people i know you shouldn't be trusting them to guide you anywhere. Think for yourselves and don't be afraid to make videos about it. Lol @ people hating on the lack of shirts, keep that up. I don't really come here for advice, i come for entertainment but i'm not so involved in the community
Boo to all the haters. Selective use of some animal products can be healthy. These guys will have an easier time getting people to eat more fruits and veggies, thus decreasing animal products, if they are not dogmatic. The hardcore online vegans scare many people off.
Dead animals do nothing for your health. Meat dead meat isnt even real protein. Most meat is deficient in protein and when you cook it you loose the rest of what little protein is there. People who eat meat have protein deficinies. Like tryptophan and amino. So what do they think they are getting from the meat is beyond me. Theres an array of raw b12 supplements they can take without eating dead animals.
@rui27marne I HAVE DONE MY RESEARCH! Look this is obviously a touchy subject for people. So, when it comes to supplements the best is through food based sources. Obviously B12 doesn't come food based. Algae or yeast have but they are b12 analogs. Chlorella does have an active source of real b12, but the bottom line is to be healthy if it means a supplement over meat then so do it. Perque b12 is a great source. Food source supplements are the best before others. Hows that for research?
@SecretsOfLongevity if you saw my other comments I said do what works for you. It doesn't say Raw forever but it does say Raw Brahs. That describes being Raw, No? lol
Guys, you definitely need to do a bit more research. I've been vegan for over twenty+ years and raw for 2.5 . I would rather take a vegan sublingual supplement any day over eating dead animal products. Also, I grow my own chlorella at home. Guess, what? It's vegan and contains all the b12 my body needs and it's immediately absorbed. Also, almost all variations of seaweed contain b12 in them. So there's really no reason to eat any animal products. Chlorella as dha and b12.
I doubt these BROS were ever really raw to begin with. Don't be fooled by all the fruit in some of their early episodes. It's all a SHOW. They are being sponsored most likely to scare us away from a LFRV lifestyle form the viewpoint that they tried it and it didn't work. How else will their father (a pharmacologist) and the future doctors of America make their money off of selling drugs to people if were all healthy & vibrant?
All of their videos have slowly turned into them advertising a non-LFRW lifestyle.
In one video they advertise a Raw Gourmet Restaurant (most raw food restaurants use dehydrated foods and high fat foods for dishes). I doubt this one in Austin is any different. In another video they talk with some lady who claims shes a 26-year raw food veteran (B.S.) yet she goes ON and ON about eating what you want. Eat that cheesecake or Prime Ribs if you want! LOL..She's an internet marketing con-artist.
There's no difference between killing a cow or a frog? In that case than there is no difference between killing a human or an ant! So why don't we just exterminate a billion people, then send them to slaughter houses to die like the cows they kill and eat?
wtf is wrong with people, B12 shots are so easy and cheap.
Here in AUS you pay $13 for 3 x 1ml ampoules, lasts you a year, take one every 4 months and you'll be just fine. Get a nurse to teach you how to shoot them up yourself.
Get your levels checked by your Doc and if you're low start getting it some other way.
Sure meat is good for B12, but it's also really good for increasing your cholesterol, blood pressure and that spare tyre around your waistline.
@bigamejames1 B12 shots and 99% of the B12 supplements on the market are made from coal tar and are not that usable by the body, they are not food based. Soil based B12 supplements (B12 produced by bacteria found in the soil) as is sold by a few small companies are available, however their choice to get it from a time tested source such as animal products is fine for their health. Meat is not responsible for raising cholesterol and the other things you mentioned. Search the cholesterol myth.
@bigamejames1 Great intellectual and well thought out response. You must be proud of your ability to think with such clarity and debate with responses that make a good factual basis for your beliefs.
@SecretsOfLongevity Don't flatter yourself little champ, it didn't take any "ability" to come to that conclusion!
It took all of 10 seconds to look up your website and see that you have jumped on the DW bandwagon. Selling over priced processed junk (passing it off as a "super food") to malnourished, brainwashed followers that don't know any different.
You were being sarcastic, where as I wasn't so I'm guessing I hit a nerve. Sorry if I hurt your feelings tiger!
@bigamejames1 Not flattering myself nor did you hit a nerve. I'm always interested in thought provoking debate and it's sad to see such short responses. Really shows the intellectual vacuity of the person responding. Trying to dismiss someone's stance on something because of who you perceive they believe has good things to teach about a subject is weak. Step up and respond with some substance or continue with the maligning comments (Lil champ? tiger?) that really show how deep your thinking is.
@SecretsOfLongevity Sorry if you weren't happy with my short and to the point reply, I haven’t got the time nor patience to go back and forth with a kid who claims to have the secrets of longevity! How old are you anyway?
I haven't at all dismissed your stance. I know exactly where you stand buddy. It's along side all the other DW disciples, believing that “chocolate is aligned planetarily with the sun, because chocolate is an octave of sun energy”. I find your videos entertaining by the way ;)
@bigamejames1 I don't mind if you right short insults or well thought out responses, however all I get from the 811 community in terms of responses such as yours is this poor attempt at dismissing anything that contradicts their stance. So my "disappointment" (however minimal) is that it appears that people are harming themselves with this diet as they are rarely able to offer much in terms of a decent, emotionally balanced response. Who considers themselves a David Wolfe disciple?! David is...
@bigamejames1 ...a teacher and he happens to be one I consider to have good info for the most part and others may disagree, that's fine. What I teach is minimally connected with his ideas on diet, so your immediate, again dismissal, of my points simply because you've lumped me into some category of "DW disciples" is weak. Your little retorts and asking me questions about things like my age is still avoiding the original points. That's fine, if you don't want to discuss those, I'm finished here.
@bigamejames1 LOL you are exactly right about that fraud SECRETSOFLONGEVITY. Be prepared he is good at sounding very smart without saying really anything at all lol
@SecretsOfLongevity Thats BS zak! How on earth do we see all the full on b12 deficiency reversals in people that have been hospitalised for b12 deficiency and they are eating meat and then go on b12 injections and they get better?
To say that eating animal products ensures against b12 deficiency is like using the 'pull out' method for contraception! lol!
@durianriders If you'd take the time to carefully read what I post and not jump to such brash retorts, you'd have seen that I said "NOT THAT usable" not "completely unusable". There's a difference between B12 floating around in your bloodstream (what standard blood tests look at) and B12 being absorbed into the blood cell (check that with a spectra cell analysis test). Of course if you only had B12 injections available and you had a severe deficiency on your hands, injections will save you...
@durianriders ...we know that one needs intrinsic factor to absorb B12 in the gut, so mainlining it into the blood or an under the tongue spray can be useful if you don't have that ability, but for those who do produce enough intrinsic factor, using a soil based B12 supplement is going to be healthiest (or animal products) and not burden the immune system. Surely you'd know that food based supplements are better than the chemical derivatives put out by pharmaceutical company neutriceuticals?...
@durianriders ...The only people who can't use B12 from animal products, which is a lot of people as we know from the studies showing B12 deficiencies in meat eaters is higher than vegans, are those who don't produce enough intrinsic factor. What kind of diet are most people eating? Vegans are going to be more health conscious than the typical SAD diet so their digestion is not going to be messed up. Junk food diet's inability to absorb B12 doesn't = all animal products consumers.
Who cares. These guys are loving life. Let them get their B12 as they see fit. As long as they keep spreading the high fruit vibe I am staying firmly in place on the RB bandwagon!
A very big "hen factory" is located close to where I live. I found out how they kill (by shredding alive and gassing) almost all male baby chicken. They throw them into trash bins and the refuse service (tax supported) takes and burns them. The organic farmers buy from them as well (!!!). Being vegan is more than counting nutrients. It means not closing your eyes to the abomination called cruelty against animals.
thanks for the vid. i like how you guys have a fun time and do some different things than other people, like with the "raw foods and sex drive" video. i may not agree with everything you do with diet but am happy to see your enthusiasm for health & fruits and vegetables. no worriesss
B12 deficiency is mostly about absorption, not intake.
However, the toxic and sterile world we live in can easily add to the problem by causing the bacteria who makes B12 to not like our soil, water, mouths and noses.
THAT is why we, vegans and omnivores alike, may need to supplement.
Btw, I recommend sublingual B12-spray in the form Methylcobalamin.
And YO! Stop listening to people like D. Wolfe, D. Vitalis, D. Minger etc etc ... They NEVER did anything the right way - so they failed.
Seriously now, you have NOT been following 811 exactly at all, even if you have, the duration you have doing it determines NOTHING.
Just follow Dr. Graham in Foodnsport and Michael Arnstein and you will be fine. I wouldn't recommend speaking at the raw food Woodstock festival whatsoever.
@1gN0ranC3 Rofl, they're brothers, it's playful so just chill out. Regarding the lack of shirts -- they're trying to get the message out that you need sunlight and theres nothing wrong or to be afraid of by taking your shirt off to get some.
Show us your blood chemistry and lets decide whether you have a deficiency or not. If you want to stay natural and include animal products, eat them raw, not cooked. Then lets see if meat in its rawest form looks appealing to a human being, small quantities or not.
the whole reference of building a garden kills more animals than eating meat killing one is ridiculous. Yeah some animals will be displaced or even killed BUT it takes much more land than that to raise farm meat and its one of the largest polluting industries in the world and in most cases hardly considered humane by any standard. So who cares if you have to get a B12 shot there are a lot of suppliments out there if you even need them. b12 is more of an absorbtion issue not a 'getting enough'
There are TONS of fruit eatin raw vegans who've been doing it for years and DON'T have B12 deficiencies. You are free to eat however you want but I'm confused as to whether you have an actual deficiency or just decided you wanted some meat in your diet? Did you take a blood test?
@Lelu2012 sounds like they feel betrayed by some other long term vegans that might take B12 shots or animal product suppliments. doesnt sound like they actually had their own blood tested.
Not sure if it is too late, but can you stop in Raleigh, North Carolina? (north raleigh) to be specific. @ Cafe Harmony, both Raw and Natural Foods Cafe, a couple doors down the same owners have a Health Store where they have also local organic produce. There is also going to be a sustainability gathering Saturday April 9th Afternoon @ Journey's Spiritual Center off Gresham Lake Rd. Hope you can make it to the cafe, I am not too far from there.
Vitamin B12 is found in some seaweed, processed as Spirulina (blue-green algae) or Marine Plankton.
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hypocrites. meat in NOT raw
yourmajezty 3 weeks ago
ride on in Hollywood haahaaaaaaa )))...
rolandcamper 1 month ago
damn nate got big over the past year!
MrSupasexi 1 month ago
Read "Could It be B12?"
ccordell1111 2 months ago
Finally somebody mentions that grass eaters are eating tons of bugs!!!
raaaaaarr 2 months ago
@durianriders, Thanks for bringing this video to my attention. You are right, they are very misinformed and ignorant. I used to have respect for the "Raw Brahs". If they are going to eat animals, they need to kill the animals with their bare hands and experience it firsthand the needless suffering that animals go through. Won't be watching this channel anymore.
harboroflight 3 months ago
I think you are doing the right thing and no one is to judge you but this is your decision. Thanks for being so honest <3
VerenaZyla 3 months ago
i hate you guys. fucking douche bags.
ltaIicsmine 3 months ago
doesn't spirulina have enough vitamin B12 ?
favoritesmoothies 4 months ago
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hoppimike 4 months ago
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@favoritesmoothies Apparently spirulina's isn't bioavailable. HOWEVER... chlorella's might be :)
And of course you can just take B12 supps orally as far as I know! Up to the person!
hoppimike 4 months ago
I see the best functional MD in ATL. He says I don't have to eat animal products, but I do need to have protein so I don't become protein deficient. He said I can eat some beans or nuts or put a little protein powder into our smoothies. He says B12 deficiency is something that meat eaters get, too. It's easy to fix and still stay raw vegan. Meat causes cancer and it's been proven: you guys really should check out the movie Forks over Knives :) With love!
TheMostITP 4 months ago
@TheMostITP Thanks for your input. Meat is very controversial...research and you can find whatever your looking for. You can find meat causes cancer or you can find examples of people being healed of cancer eating a meat based diet. You should google the Masai Tribe to get a perspective from the other side! In the book Healthy at 100 John Robbins explains even Colin Cambell eats fish occasionally.
RawBrahs 4 months ago
That part about steamed vegetables was awesome!!!!!!!!LOL
Mafreaky777 4 months ago
@Mafreaky777 I know, that's my favourite bit. lol ^^
hoppimike 4 months ago
Lol, I love all the massaging going on in the background. What is the age difference between you three?
Mafreaky777 4 months ago
Excessive food hygiene is a problem, it's true. Even cows and orangutans are not true vegans but I don't define my diet by the scraps of dairy and shellfish I sometimes eat (which don't help with B12 anyway).
imnotabear 4 months ago
@imnotabear "I don't define my diet by the scraps of dairy and shellfish I sometimes eat..." Yeah but you still have to taste/swallow it and consider it food. How disgusting, really! If you can't stand the smell/taste/sight of it as it comes from nature, it is probably not good to put in your body. Case in point: suck that dairy straight out of the cow teats and tell me how great it is; or breath deep that ammonia and rot from that raw shellfish. Ralph!
FathomlessJoy 3 months ago
I use Mercola's B12 spray and my tests checked out fine. I haven't eaten meat for 20 years
imnotabear 4 months ago
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Doug Graham doesn't eat meat or take b-12 supplements.
ddcasill 4 months ago
It's definitely a tricky one guys, I do know what you mean. I like including some fish in my diet.
I believe though that as well as oral B12 supplements (which I would be amazed if they didn't work o.O) you can also take chlorella and probably sublingual B12? I dunno for sure, but I don't think you have to kill animals. I wouldn't kill a pig or anything like that >.<
We'll see eh? It's all a learning experience. Don't write off supplementary B12 though :)
hoppimike 4 months ago
Could you guys do one of the get to know you tags! We know you're all into nutrition and eating raw. But I think we'd like to get to know each one of you differently. What makes each of you unique. Please :)
ariannadubovikmusic 4 months ago
Guys, have you tried blue-green algae? Cassar supplies it. It is the highest natural source of B12 there is as far as I know. I take some every week.
TardsOfParadise 5 months ago
@TardsOfParadise I've heard it's not real b12 that your body can use, but its like a fake b12.
cummings4409 3 weeks ago
Just a few notes about land use to raise fruits and veggis vs. animal products:
It takes up to 16 pounds of grain to produce just 1 pound of meat, and even fish on fish farms must be fed up to 5 pounds of wild-caught fish to produce 1 pound of farmed fish flesh.
MsRockStarBarbie 5 months ago
@MsRockStarBarbie
More than 260 million acres of U.S. forest have been cleared to create cropland to grow grain to feed farmed animals. It takes more than 11 times as much fossil fuel to make one calorie from animal protein as it does to make one calorie from plant protein. It takes more than 2,400 gallons of water to produce 1 pound of meat, while growing 1 pound of wheat only requires 25 gallons.
MsRockStarBarbie 5 months ago
i shoot myself b12 in my fat cells every week ^^
Mongodelight 6 months ago
I want to know what the biggest difference between you three brothers is? Do you have any personal interests that the other brothers might not share? What makes you unique?
therawfoodcommunity 7 months ago
You guys have so much life... huge crush!
therawfoodcommunity 7 months ago
I want to travel the world and convert all lions into vegans whos with me?
all aligators will not live on mangos-vitamins etc
sn1pe352 7 months ago
Basically, my absorption is all messed up - even after 7 months raw vegan - so I take supplements (enzymes, vitamins & marine omega-3 oil) ... guys, please don't be hating - sometimes it's just the right thing for a person to do. I'm happier & healthier than I've been in 20 years, all the more so for not stressing about feeling that I should be sticking to every aspect of the diet dogmatically . . .
AndreGDJ 9 months ago
you guys crack me up!
jungledrumnbass4ever 9 months ago
b12 suplements are low tech, easy to make artefacts, much more ethical and ecological than getting b12 from "low" amounts of animal products.
Some people just come up with any excuse to eat what they feel like.
vitor1271 9 months ago
very uninformed for gurus wannabes...
vitor1271 9 months ago
What about the durianrider and the life regenerator who after 8 or 10 years raw have perfect (including b-12) blood work. The durianrider even shows his blood work in his videos. BANANAS HAVE B-12 and B-6 ! Besides, I'm finding that I'm getting grossed out by the sight of raw meat more often. Also, why use recycled amino acids when I can get fresh ones for myself? Or recycled omegas when I can eat sea weed for myself.Yeah, I'd rather have liquid sunshine than a 60-74% clean up job form flesh.
RawBrilliance 10 months ago 3
To refer to Sharon Gannon's book, 'Yoga and Vegetarianism', ahimsa (non-harming) is meant to be a practice, not an absolute. It's impossible for us to be alive and not kill, due to the presence of tiny beings in air and water, bugs we accidentally kill etc. But it's a lifelong practice to live skillfully and cause the least amount of harm.
biancamilione 10 months ago
This is my first time watching these guys, I have been watching Raw radiant health for a year or so now and she has b12 issues. It made her really sad to have to eat animal products and she even tried injections. I think that you just have to do what you have to do ya know? No hate, just love! :)
westindixie 10 months ago
@westindixie Why didn't she just eat some fortified cereal and 'milk' (soy, admond, rice)? Being raw is too far out for me, just being a vegan is fine.
HybridD91 10 months ago
@HybridD91 Because soy should never be consumed by humans. It's a toxin to the endocrine system.
therawlifefamily 9 months ago
@westindixie You are so right in having to do what is right for "you".I am B-12 deficient in a dangerously low range eating either way. Now I am on weekly intramuscular injections with changing my diet under a medical doctor's advice. My Dr. loves the way I go Vegan/Raw but it is just not working for me right now.So, I am doing what is best for my health. I truly believe having an open mind, lots of research and using the skills of every source you can reach is the the "best" way for me now.
MsEfish 10 months ago
@MsEfish Good luck, I hope it works out for you!
westindixie 10 months ago
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@MsEfish Good luck, I hope it works out for you!
westindixie 10 months ago
@westindixie Injections are the answer, b12 deficiencies are caused by low intrinsic factor production. Without IF, you cannot absorb b12. Additionally, the body only produces enough IF to absorb about 100mcg per day. Injections bypass the bodies absorption mechanisms and ensure proper uptake.
therawlifefamily 9 months ago
To anybody that disliked this video: Can someone give me an example of a long term 811er who doesn't take vitamins, pills, or injections?
CerebralPrince10 10 months ago
@CerebralPrince10 I think that it should be pretty well established that optimal health requires supplementation of at least a few things. Vitamin D and B12 are the most popular.
therawlifefamily 9 months ago
honestly I'll have to disagree @therawlifefamily
for thousands, millions, or billions of years (depending on your religious views) the human race has thrived, evolved, and prospered without the use of pills, drugs, or supplements. I mean what came first, human beings or vitamin supplementation?
There is no rule that says a human being has to be deficient in anything, and if your lifestyle is leaving you deficent you should probably change it.
CerebralPrince10 9 months ago
@CerebralPrince10 @durianriders point is that b12 deficiency affects everyone, not just vegan/vegetarian. My point is that science has given us knowledge of nutrition that we did not have previously, we can't say for sure whether or not our ancestors were deficient in b12, but we can say that a lot of people today on varying diets *are* b12 deficient, including peoples on "paleo" diets. If you look the physical progress of athletes over time, you'll see that they are much more fit
therawlifefamily 9 months ago
@therawlifefamily
My point is the fact that the paleo diet isn't perfect doesn't make vegan/veggie any better. I stand by my previous comment " if your lifestyle is leaving you deficent you should probably change it"
There are vegetarians, vegans, and non drug/supplement users who are NOT b12 deficient, but EVERY SINGLE PERSON that I've come across on the 811 plan is B12 deficient. Just because there are meat eaters who have deficiencies doesn't mean 811ers can ignore theirs
CerebralPrince10 9 months ago
@CerebralPrince10 Today's athletes are much more fit than 100 years ago, or 1000 years ago. That is the advantage that science has given us.
therawlifefamily 9 months ago
@therawlifefamily
what does that have to do with drugs/supplements? Are you saying that athleticism is the benchmark for health? If so I can say many of today's athletes eat candy, meat, eggs, energy drinks, soda and other junk food (Michael Phelps and Lamar Odom come to mind) is that the advantage science has given us?
CerebralPrince10 9 months ago
@CerebralPrince10 No, I'm saying that science has given us the knowledge of certain things that will provide us some health benefit if consumed in sufficient quantities. Likewise, we know that other things when consumed to frequently have negative health benefits.
therawlifefamily 9 months ago
@therawlifefamily
Also realize that science doesn't have all the answers. Think of how flawed our current nutritional model is (food pyramid). Personally I feel as if we, as a society, need to reexamine how we perceive health and fitness at the most fundamental level. Why eat (especially since we are naturally liquidarian from breast milk)? why exercise (since it is a highly taxing and highly oxidative process)? why drink (since plain water just dilutes the blood and taxes the kidneys) etc.
CerebralPrince10 9 months ago
@CerebralPrince10 If you're advocating breatharianism, you're a quack. Otherwise it's pretty obvious. 1) we eat because when we are born our digestive systems are not fully developed, populated, just like most other mammals. 2) We exercise because otherwise we have poor cardiovascular health that leads to premature death. 3) We drink because our body loses body and requires replenishment. Your reasoning is very poor. It's like saying, don't drive your car, push it, otherwise it will wear out.
therawlifefamily 9 months ago
@therawlifefamily
Breatharianism aside, resorting to childish insults "quack" just makes you look ignorant and serves no purpose. To be honest all of your explanaitons, as "pretty obvious" as they may seem to you, are all flawed and short sided.
1. You say we eat to develop the system to deal with the food we eat?
2. You make the assumption that cv health is solely based on exercise, which in some cases can be detrimental to cv health (think of heart attacks among marathon runners)
CerebralPrince10 9 months ago
@therawlifefamily
3. Honestly I'd say we drink because we do so many things that dehydrate us, notably eating food under 80% water content. Also you are making the assumption that the body "loses", while most people dehydrate themselves with the foods they eat and carry around a 5-20 pound spare tire which increases their work load, it would be a false assumption to say EVERYBODY loses.
CerebralPrince10 9 months ago
@CerebralPrince10 I meant to say our body loses water through natural processes, sweat, urine, feces, this needs replaced through some form of water replenishment.To eschew what little we do know of nutrition as patently false I think leads us down the wrong path. We know that the body can't absorb enough b12 on its own for optimal phyiscal performance, the worlds top athletes show us that. Now are there examples where these top athletes make poor health choices? Absolutely.
therawlifefamily 9 months ago
@therawlifefamily
While the body does loses water through sweat urine and feces you are making the assumption that one has to urinate sweat and/or defecate. While I'm not a breatharian I have had my share of water and dry fasts and I can say when I don't eat I don't sweat or defecate and on my dry fasts I don't lose water urinating. The point I'm trying to make is that nutrition is based on so many assumptions. Just because it applies to most people doesn't mean it applies to everyone/theideal
CerebralPrince10 9 months ago
@therawlifefamily
The point I'm trying to make is that no diet is ideal, and every diet out there somebody has failed on. Considering the current health crisis, I feel we need to reexamine things at the most basic level (which is why I ask questions like why eat why drink). No diet has been proven to make people immortal and millions die because of food related causes daily. As for B12 there are people out there who have high B12 levels (meat eater and vegan) so that statement is incorrect.
CerebralPrince10 9 months ago
@CerebralPrince10 Michael Phelps eats a pizza a day + loads of other crap, could he swim faster on healthier calories? We like to think so, but we don't know for sure. Will he suffer long term health consequences? We won't know that either, but some like to think that he will. What we are left doing though is based on what we do know and how to convince others that what we know will produce better results than what they know.
therawlifefamily 9 months ago
You guys like totally harshed my mellow.
norxcontacts 10 months ago
b12 deficiencies occur also in the meat-eating population. this is due to all the crap lodged in our colon which causes an inability to absorb the b12. your diet, your choice. however, i hope you stick to humanely treated animals for your dairy, eggs and/or meat and eat it sparingly... fresh fruits and herbs for the rest. good luck on your journey!
legalisefreedom 10 months ago
Haha I love how fickle the 811 community is. This just has to be said. For months you idolize these three guys as prime examples of raw health and fitness, but when they question one thing and make the slightest deviation following their intuition everybody turns of them. While I certainly do not eat animal products as I am a fruitarian, B12 issues among raw vegans (certainly among 811ers) are highly prevalent and even your master (Harley) says he supplements B12
CerebralPrince10 10 months ago
@CerebralPrince10 Hey CP, both Jordan and Phelps use b12 shots. Look it up. Ring up the best coach you know and ask em.
Rawbrahs just took some bad advice and bought into the fear propaganda that is peddled by the death machine meat and dairy industries. Saying that 100% of vegans have b12 issues and ONLY vegans get b12 issues and NEVER animal eaters is like saying only volvo drivers need air bags.
durianriders 10 months ago
@durianriders
Michael Jordan? Michael Phelps? Out of everything Ive heard or seen about their diets I've never come across anything about B12 injections
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Regardless, I totally agree with you that animal products are not the solution for B12 deficency, or for anything really. However, if you are going to advocate a diet/lifestyle (in this case 811) as ideal, it should be able to address nutritional issues such as B12. Ever think all that water is diluting your blood of valuable nutrients?
CerebralPrince10 10 months ago
meat and plants that is where its at. humans have thrived this way for thousands of years.
how many tribes have thrived on a raw vegan diet?
veganism is experimental, humans have eaten meat for YEARS.
jungledrumnbass4ever 10 months ago
@jungledrumnbass4ever AND what did all the humans eat before they created tools and discovered fire??? humans survived on a mainly plant based diet for millenia before meat & cooking was introduced into the diet... when that did come into play - meat & cooked food was celebrated at special occassions during times of abundance only. we were hunter gatherers - & that doesn't mean "hunter killing" but food hunting which includes berries n such - this overconsumptive world is NOT natural
lovescartoons 10 months ago
@lovescartoons they probably ate worms, grubs, insects. plants, berries and other fruit.
jungledrumnbass4ever 10 months ago
@jungledrumnbass4ever Thousands of years yes, but potentially hundreds of thousands on a plant/insect based diet. Our ability to consume meat and grain is what allowed us to migrate from the tropics. Cows apparently can do well on meat too, but does that mean they achieve optimal health? No.
therawlifefamily 9 months ago
@therawlifefamily you cant seriously compare a cow to a human lol
jungledrumnbass4ever 9 months ago
@jungledrumnbass4ever It was an analogy. Just because you *can* do something, doesn't mean it's best for you. You can live off of cherry coke and now and laters for quite a while before it catches up to you.
therawlifefamily 9 months ago
@therawlifefamily theres nothing wrong with eating meat and fish for health, my grandad is in hes 80's. i dont know of anyone hes age group as in shape as him. he doesnt smoke, rarely drinks alcohol. he eats meat, fish, homegrown veg. etc
plenty of exercise,positive attidude and a well balanced diet is the key to health.
jungledrumnbass4ever 9 months ago
@jungledrumnbass4ever As great as the example may be, it cant be used as the basis of sound health. Some of the oldest living humans on the planet smoked most of their lives, people over 100. Does that mean smoking extends ones longevity? Probably not.
therawlifefamily 9 months ago
@therawlifefamily i think your genes have alot to do with it, some people eat well and end up with cancer, others eat junk and live for years. i think balance is the key.
some people get obsessed with food, theres more to life than worrying about it.
jungledrumnbass4ever 9 months ago
@jungledrumnbass4ever I know science is not 100% correct, but there is evidence suggesting negative health impacts linked with consumption of animal protein, or diets high in protein. Sure you can be healthy and live to be 100 by eating meat every day and even smoking, but it is highly likely that those habits will have shortened your lifespan or lead you to be less healthy than your potential.
therawlifefamily 9 months ago
@jungledrumnbass4ever
No physiologic and morphologic characteristics of meat eaters prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that humans never have meat for any substantial part of their formation or evolution.
XES119 9 months ago
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this is the source where i got my quote from....
lovescartoons 10 months ago
cont'd... "B12 synthesis is known to occur naturally in the human small intestine (in the ileum), which is the primary site of B12 absorption. As long as gut bacteria have cobalt and certain other nutrients, they produce vitamin B12."
lovescartoons 10 months ago
"No foods naturally contain vitamin B12 - neither animal or plant foods. Vitamin B12 is a microbe - a bacteria - it is produced by microorganisms. Vitamin B12 is the only vitamin that contains a trace element - cobalt - which gives this vitamin its chemical name cobalamin - which is at the centre of its molecular structure. Humans and all vertebrates require cobalt, although it is assimilated only in the form of vitamin B12." cont'd...
lovescartoons 10 months ago
Oh and there are obvious differences between a bug and a cow in that one is a sentient creature. That attempt at justification was an insulting failure. :(
shumila 10 months ago
The land that was cleared to feed the cow you are telling me to eat is more than what would be cleared for me alone as a vegan... Personally vegan is more important to me than raw, and I will continue to take my b12 supplements and remain vegan. But for you guys if you are wondering how much animal product to include in your diet, much of the literature I have perused in the past tells me that chimps consume 5-10% of their daily intake as animal protein. That seems fair enough I suppose.
shumila 10 months ago
I will say the same as the top rated comment... devastating and unexpected.
In my opinion, being vegan is (far) more important than being raw. Planting fruit trees and growing a sustainable garden does not destroy life at all whatsoever.
TheSuperAstro 10 months ago
You don't use soap? What product are you using then & do you still wash it off in the shower?
yohkom 10 months ago
Not everything works for everyone. However it is a fact that meat, especially cooked meat has no value. In fact most meat is deficient in protein and when you cook it you lose whatever protein was left. A lot of people who eat meat are protein deficient. Like tryptophan Deficiencies. These are amino acids that ate essential and destroyed by heat. Not to mention carcinogens. Vitamin B12 can be supplemented easily. Krill oil is a great source, as well as marine phytoplankton, methylcobalamin B12,
LovingTheRawLife 10 months ago
an't we all just debate nicely? Why the hardcore hate messages? Spread the Love and Peace.
Can Someone clarify this for me? Isn't the whole idea of being vegan, against eating meat, that you don't want the mass slaughter of animals? Or is it also that you don't want to ever want anyone to kill an animals period for any reason?
1Openminded1 10 months ago
I mean, I love animals, don't want them bread to be slaughtered anymore, but what is wrong with how Native Americans did it? Kill animal, eat it, use all of it. In the food chain, animals eat other animals. Why can't we have some if it is done properly?
1Openminded1 10 months ago
@1Openminded1 In the end it became about gluttony, the forgotten sin. The taste of flesh is intriguing. (I speak as a vegan.) People wanted more and more meat. Then they wanted it cheaper. Hence: factory farms... Also, the human meat eating population keeps growing. It just isn't sustainable anymore for humans to subsist off meat.
shumila 10 months ago
@shumila I can dig that. I agree with that always even before you said it that is how I feel. But if you want protein and b12 you can have raw organic cow milk and raw chicken eggs (where the animals are treated lovingly and free range), these are things i want in my diet and as a vegan i would not be allowed to. So i will not miss out on those things just because someone wants me to fit in a label. That's what hardcore vegan is turning in to. Another fad, label where people get angry bout it.
1Openminded1 10 months ago
Wow so much hate for such beautiful people. I'll make up for it. LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE to you guys.
1Openminded1 10 months ago
Just want you guys to know that I too have unsubscribed from your channel. Personally, I prefer to listen to the wisdom and knowledge of other folks who have been true to the raw vegan lifestyle and are thriving and not to guys that rave about being raw vegans one moment and are eating meat the next. Oh, and don't use an example of killing bugs to plant a garden. Look up how much water and food it takes a cow to grow to maturity. No comparison.
rawmark 10 months ago 2
I'm getting a lot of emails from this, so to end it I will say this: I respect your decision, not everyone can go raw and stay raw, but do not have a channel claiming you are the RAWBRAHS when clearly you are not. Thanks for the entertainment, wish you the best of luck on your journey.
LovingTheRawLife 10 months ago
@SecretsOfLongevity what i am saying is there is no good food source for B12, while algaes and yeast are said to have b12, they are infact analogue. While Chlorella may have an active source of B12, I am in for this for my health as well not for some dogma to be all raw, but eating animals for B12 when we all know dead meat is exactly that, DEAD. Methylcobalamin B12 or Perque are best.
LovingTheRawLife 10 months ago
To say that raw vegans are getting protein from worms or whatever to justify you eating meat is horrible. The intent is to eat well, as a raw vegan my intention is to eat fruits veggies nuts seeds, I do not intentionally go out an make excuses why I should eat meat. Thats what you are doing. You DO NOT need shots there are many other ways to get b12.
LovingTheRawLife 10 months ago
You give no facts to back up what you are saying. Animal foods do not give you b-12. Why else would so many meat-eaters have b-12 issues?? You didn't do enough research into this. Also if you felt stronger in the gym by including meat all that means is you wasn't eating enough calories. Meat is calorie dense. I know this from experience as the first time I tried eating raw I lost strength and alot of weight. Then when I found 80/10/10 and ate plenty of calories 3500-4000
82Bdog 10 months ago 2
@82Bdog my weight and strength came back and I continue to get stronger.
82Bdog 10 months ago
so what about taking b-12 supplements like the pills?
Roblx2007 10 months ago 4
Nate I am glad you are back! :) Its important to really find out what does work best for you! Don't worry about the people treating you like you are committing genocide. We know that you show love and compassion to animals and people, and will find something that greatly benefits your health without compromising your values! <3
ThePreppyHippie 10 months ago
I supplement B12 through a patch. It's better blood absorption than an injection or a sublingual. No animals had to suffer for that.
Still enjoy your channel, will still keep watching the videos. Pls just don't turn into a Daniel Vitalis or David Wolfe, those guys are total f*cking douchers
IronCladBen 10 months ago
That guy Durianriders. Typical example of someone shooting up with B12.
RawGreenLiving 10 months ago
@RawGreenLiving Most competitive cyclists and many other athletes "shoot up with B-12". Nice try though
82Bdog 10 months ago
Use to be raw vegan myself thinking it was the holy grail of health. Glad I was able to get myself out of all that dogma. I now eat all free range grass fed animal products and am so much healthier both mentally and physically.
RawGreenLiving 10 months ago
I respect you guys for experimenting and seeing what works best for you. How else will you know?
It's just a pity some people have adopted such a dogmatic view that they can't retain an open mind. Good Luck!
RawSoccerStyle 10 months ago
@RawSoccerStyle
This is more of an ethical issue than a belief issue. People should not remain silenced when someone gives a legitimacy to exploitation of others who have no voice. A famous man once said:
"Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with."
TheAnimalHolocaust 10 months ago
@TheAnimalHolocaust
I respect your viewpoint, but I do believe ( ethical/moral standpoint) that they have the right to see what works best for themselves, and although I may disagree, as many people do obviously, it's not right for people to continue to belittle them, cast negative judgements, and tell them how They should be doing things.
I do not believe verbal attacks are 'non-violent' by the way.
RawSoccerStyle 10 months ago
also, the channel you mentioned, natasha's... she does include toxins in her raw diet, so it makes sense she'd have to turn to animal products.
I really hope you guys come to your senses
joyinc30 10 months ago
i have to agree with the others, this video was a dissapointment. you have more research to do. the argument that one animal vs a garden is flawed because it takes much more plant matter to raise that one animal.
b12 is an absorption issue. have you guys actually read doug grahams work? it seems you've jumped from diet to diet without really trying anything out. my b12 was lowest on a standard diet. now that i've removed salts, garlic and other toxins my levels are much higher.
joyinc30 10 months ago
When did these indian cultures learn about B12?
HYPASPACE 10 months ago
don't make fun of folks!
thatMarlene 10 months ago
Pro-tip for the raw brahs, muscle meats contain toxic proteins that need to be balanced by eating the whole animal i.e. gelatin. You would be better off including animal products like liver, bugs and shellfish
cliff420dude 10 months ago
Pro-tip for the raw brahs, muscle meats contain toxic protiens that need to be balanced by eating the whole animal i.e. gelatin. You would be better off including animal products like liver, bugs and shellfish
cliff420dude 10 months ago
Don't do whatever the big marketers tell you to do. They're just as manipulative as the commercial marketers. Avocados are rich...and yes, read into that.
Smileeen 10 months ago
Don't do whatever the big marketers tell you to do. They're just as manipulative as the commercial big marketers. Avocados are rich...and yes, read into that.
Smileeen 10 months ago
Don't do whatever the big marketers tell you to do. They're just as manipulative as the commercial big marketers.
Smileeen 10 months ago
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aleskacijan 10 months ago
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aleskacijan 10 months ago
I really don't understand what's the deal with "I don't wana take b12 injections all my life, so I don't have other options than to eat animal products" thing.
Just take sublingual b12 supp and you don't have to exploit our animal friens. Who said you must take injections?
aleskacijan 10 months ago
Rawkathon Dr Douglas Graham on B12
Google "b12 rawkathon douglas graham"
open the pdf and read about b12 :-)
Recc8es 10 months ago
Be careful with raw animal products as Ive had a few mates get pathogenic bacteria infections resulting in hospitalisation. One friend died during a water fast after eating contaminated raw meat. She was a housemate in Adelaide.
Ive got a handful of friends that eat raw animal products. After years of this habit, they still have serum b12 deficiency.
If b12 deficiency was a 'vegan only' thing then ONLY vegans would have it vs 39% of the US population according to a recent Tufts Uni study. :(
durianriders 10 months ago 9
@durianriders so what do we do? cant we just supplement with daily b-12 vitamins and be fine.
Roblx2007 10 months ago
@durianriders Ive done a response vid to this one. RB's just got roped into the wrong lane by someone that was sincere but sincerely wrong.
durianriders 10 months ago 12
@durianriders 1 way to know is stop injections ,eat meat and test the blood. i'm lfrv now but in the past i've hunted , commercial fished ..etc so as someone not swayed by gore ,i'd welcome Brahs vids of proper animal procurement . Though if its strictly about b12 there are so many more reasons to take a shot . Meat seem like such a round-about way to get it
More power to you Bros , its just odd to hear raw vegans talk about eating meat
NWforager 4 months ago
@durianriders I just take a supplement to cover my B12 needs and I do my best getting enough sun for my vitamin D.. it is a solarium due to me living in the north.. most of the time we have no sun... even in the summer.. I`m looking into converting more towards the RAW side, right now I consume starches, I have great success with that. =)
Mekelsior 9 months ago
I don't think subscriptions is what you guys are really all about. Let me tell u something, if people unsub because of this video you're not gonna miss them anyway. We just have to think back to the party scene in this video to see your attitude on this. It's not the most important thing in the world and the world isn't shattering because some people on youtube are going bananas. Maybe you'll get a more balanced audience because of videos like this although i'm checking it no matter what u eat.
sdpgposd 10 months ago
Damn brahs, you're getting a lot of flack from rawfoodists. It's quite funny and sad to see what some people are still believing around here. I don't know everything but from the responses of a lot of these people i know you shouldn't be trusting them to guide you anywhere. Think for yourselves and don't be afraid to make videos about it. Lol @ people hating on the lack of shirts, keep that up. I don't really come here for advice, i come for entertainment but i'm not so involved in the community
sdpgposd 10 months ago
Boo to all the haters. Selective use of some animal products can be healthy. These guys will have an easier time getting people to eat more fruits and veggies, thus decreasing animal products, if they are not dogmatic. The hardcore online vegans scare many people off.
hearmenow88 10 months ago
Dead animals do nothing for your health. Meat dead meat isnt even real protein. Most meat is deficient in protein and when you cook it you loose the rest of what little protein is there. People who eat meat have protein deficinies. Like tryptophan and amino. So what do they think they are getting from the meat is beyond me. Theres an array of raw b12 supplements they can take without eating dead animals.
LovingTheRawLife 10 months ago
@LovingTheRawLife
I personally think this lack of amino acids may have something to do with a decrease in good flora in the gut to break the protein down.
hearmenow88 10 months ago
@rui27marne I HAVE DONE MY RESEARCH! Look this is obviously a touchy subject for people. So, when it comes to supplements the best is through food based sources. Obviously B12 doesn't come food based. Algae or yeast have but they are b12 analogs. Chlorella does have an active source of real b12, but the bottom line is to be healthy if it means a supplement over meat then so do it. Perque b12 is a great source. Food source supplements are the best before others. Hows that for research?
LovingTheRawLife 10 months ago
@SecretsOfLongevity if you saw my other comments I said do what works for you. It doesn't say Raw forever but it does say Raw Brahs. That describes being Raw, No? lol
LovingTheRawLife 10 months ago
Guys, you definitely need to do a bit more research. I've been vegan for over twenty+ years and raw for 2.5 . I would rather take a vegan sublingual supplement any day over eating dead animal products. Also, I grow my own chlorella at home. Guess, what? It's vegan and contains all the b12 my body needs and it's immediately absorbed. Also, almost all variations of seaweed contain b12 in them. So there's really no reason to eat any animal products. Chlorella as dha and b12.
rawmark 10 months ago
i farted :)
FatDancer08 10 months ago
Taking the advice of others (who could be lying to them to promote their own store/products/etc) isn't valid research @SecretsOfLongevity.
RawBrahsSuck 10 months ago 6
I doubt these BROS were ever really raw to begin with. Don't be fooled by all the fruit in some of their early episodes. It's all a SHOW. They are being sponsored most likely to scare us away from a LFRV lifestyle form the viewpoint that they tried it and it didn't work. How else will their father (a pharmacologist) and the future doctors of America make their money off of selling drugs to people if were all healthy & vibrant?
RawBrahsSuck 10 months ago 4
All of their videos have slowly turned into them advertising a non-LFRW lifestyle.
In one video they advertise a Raw Gourmet Restaurant (most raw food restaurants use dehydrated foods and high fat foods for dishes). I doubt this one in Austin is any different. In another video they talk with some lady who claims shes a 26-year raw food veteran (B.S.) yet she goes ON and ON about eating what you want. Eat that cheesecake or Prime Ribs if you want! LOL..She's an internet marketing con-artist.
RawBrahsSuck 10 months ago
These BROS can't be serious...
There's no difference between killing a cow or a frog? In that case than there is no difference between killing a human or an ant! So why don't we just exterminate a billion people, then send them to slaughter houses to die like the cows they kill and eat?
RawBrahsSuck 10 months ago
wtf is wrong with people, B12 shots are so easy and cheap.
Here in AUS you pay $13 for 3 x 1ml ampoules, lasts you a year, take one every 4 months and you'll be just fine. Get a nurse to teach you how to shoot them up yourself.
Get your levels checked by your Doc and if you're low start getting it some other way.
Sure meat is good for B12, but it's also really good for increasing your cholesterol, blood pressure and that spare tyre around your waistline.
bigamejames1 10 months ago
@bigamejames1 B12 shots and 99% of the B12 supplements on the market are made from coal tar and are not that usable by the body, they are not food based. Soil based B12 supplements (B12 produced by bacteria found in the soil) as is sold by a few small companies are available, however their choice to get it from a time tested source such as animal products is fine for their health. Meat is not responsible for raising cholesterol and the other things you mentioned. Search the cholesterol myth.
SecretsOfLongevity 10 months ago
@SecretsOfLongevity = another David Wolfe Nut Hugger!
bigamejames1 10 months ago
@bigamejames1 Great intellectual and well thought out response. You must be proud of your ability to think with such clarity and debate with responses that make a good factual basis for your beliefs.
SecretsOfLongevity 10 months ago
@SecretsOfLongevity Don't flatter yourself little champ, it didn't take any "ability" to come to that conclusion!
It took all of 10 seconds to look up your website and see that you have jumped on the DW bandwagon. Selling over priced processed junk (passing it off as a "super food") to malnourished, brainwashed followers that don't know any different.
You were being sarcastic, where as I wasn't so I'm guessing I hit a nerve. Sorry if I hurt your feelings tiger!
bigamejames1 10 months ago
@bigamejames1 Not flattering myself nor did you hit a nerve. I'm always interested in thought provoking debate and it's sad to see such short responses. Really shows the intellectual vacuity of the person responding. Trying to dismiss someone's stance on something because of who you perceive they believe has good things to teach about a subject is weak. Step up and respond with some substance or continue with the maligning comments (Lil champ? tiger?) that really show how deep your thinking is.
SecretsOfLongevity 10 months ago
@SecretsOfLongevity Sorry if you weren't happy with my short and to the point reply, I haven’t got the time nor patience to go back and forth with a kid who claims to have the secrets of longevity! How old are you anyway?
I haven't at all dismissed your stance. I know exactly where you stand buddy. It's along side all the other DW disciples, believing that “chocolate is aligned planetarily with the sun, because chocolate is an octave of sun energy”. I find your videos entertaining by the way ;)
bigamejames1 10 months ago 2
@bigamejames1 I don't mind if you right short insults or well thought out responses, however all I get from the 811 community in terms of responses such as yours is this poor attempt at dismissing anything that contradicts their stance. So my "disappointment" (however minimal) is that it appears that people are harming themselves with this diet as they are rarely able to offer much in terms of a decent, emotionally balanced response. Who considers themselves a David Wolfe disciple?! David is...
SecretsOfLongevity 10 months ago
@bigamejames1 ...a teacher and he happens to be one I consider to have good info for the most part and others may disagree, that's fine. What I teach is minimally connected with his ideas on diet, so your immediate, again dismissal, of my points simply because you've lumped me into some category of "DW disciples" is weak. Your little retorts and asking me questions about things like my age is still avoiding the original points. That's fine, if you don't want to discuss those, I'm finished here.
SecretsOfLongevity 10 months ago
@bigamejames1 LOL you are exactly right about that fraud SECRETSOFLONGEVITY. Be prepared he is good at sounding very smart without saying really anything at all lol
82Bdog 10 months ago 2
@SecretsOfLongevity Thats BS zak! How on earth do we see all the full on b12 deficiency reversals in people that have been hospitalised for b12 deficiency and they are eating meat and then go on b12 injections and they get better?
To say that eating animal products ensures against b12 deficiency is like using the 'pull out' method for contraception! lol!
durianriders 10 months ago 2
@durianriders If you'd take the time to carefully read what I post and not jump to such brash retorts, you'd have seen that I said "NOT THAT usable" not "completely unusable". There's a difference between B12 floating around in your bloodstream (what standard blood tests look at) and B12 being absorbed into the blood cell (check that with a spectra cell analysis test). Of course if you only had B12 injections available and you had a severe deficiency on your hands, injections will save you...
SecretsOfLongevity 10 months ago
@durianriders ...we know that one needs intrinsic factor to absorb B12 in the gut, so mainlining it into the blood or an under the tongue spray can be useful if you don't have that ability, but for those who do produce enough intrinsic factor, using a soil based B12 supplement is going to be healthiest (or animal products) and not burden the immune system. Surely you'd know that food based supplements are better than the chemical derivatives put out by pharmaceutical company neutriceuticals?...
SecretsOfLongevity 10 months ago
@durianriders ...The only people who can't use B12 from animal products, which is a lot of people as we know from the studies showing B12 deficiencies in meat eaters is higher than vegans, are those who don't produce enough intrinsic factor. What kind of diet are most people eating? Vegans are going to be more health conscious than the typical SAD diet so their digestion is not going to be messed up. Junk food diet's inability to absorb B12 doesn't = all animal products consumers.
SecretsOfLongevity 10 months ago
Who cares. These guys are loving life. Let them get their B12 as they see fit. As long as they keep spreading the high fruit vibe I am staying firmly in place on the RB bandwagon!
falafelstand 10 months ago 5
A very big "hen factory" is located close to where I live. I found out how they kill (by shredding alive and gassing) almost all male baby chicken. They throw them into trash bins and the refuse service (tax supported) takes and burns them. The organic farmers buy from them as well (!!!). Being vegan is more than counting nutrients. It means not closing your eyes to the abomination called cruelty against animals.
baum7des7lebens7 10 months ago
thanks for the vid. i like how you guys have a fun time and do some different things than other people, like with the "raw foods and sex drive" video. i may not agree with everything you do with diet but am happy to see your enthusiasm for health & fruits and vegetables. no worriesss
ocergnairb 10 months ago
B12 deficiency is mostly about absorption, not intake.
However, the toxic and sterile world we live in can easily add to the problem by causing the bacteria who makes B12 to not like our soil, water, mouths and noses.
THAT is why we, vegans and omnivores alike, may need to supplement.
Btw, I recommend sublingual B12-spray in the form Methylcobalamin.
And YO! Stop listening to people like D. Wolfe, D. Vitalis, D. Minger etc etc ... They NEVER did anything the right way - so they failed.
xvxCAROBxvx 10 months ago
Seriously now, you have NOT been following 811 exactly at all, even if you have, the duration you have doing it determines NOTHING.
Just follow Dr. Graham in Foodnsport and Michael Arnstein and you will be fine. I wouldn't recommend speaking at the raw food Woodstock festival whatsoever.
FruitarianSwimster 10 months ago 16
Permaculture doesn't kill ANY animals.
amevaillante 10 months ago
are they gay or what, just saying O.o
1gN0ranC3 10 months ago
@1gN0ranC3 Rofl, they're brothers, it's playful so just chill out. Regarding the lack of shirts -- they're trying to get the message out that you need sunlight and theres nothing wrong or to be afraid of by taking your shirt off to get some.
sdpgposd 10 months ago
Show us your blood chemistry and lets decide whether you have a deficiency or not. If you want to stay natural and include animal products, eat them raw, not cooked. Then lets see if meat in its rawest form looks appealing to a human being, small quantities or not.
FruitarianSwimster 10 months ago 3
the whole reference of building a garden kills more animals than eating meat killing one is ridiculous. Yeah some animals will be displaced or even killed BUT it takes much more land than that to raise farm meat and its one of the largest polluting industries in the world and in most cases hardly considered humane by any standard. So who cares if you have to get a B12 shot there are a lot of suppliments out there if you even need them. b12 is more of an absorbtion issue not a 'getting enough'
Danos138 10 months ago 3
There are TONS of fruit eatin raw vegans who've been doing it for years and DON'T have B12 deficiencies. You are free to eat however you want but I'm confused as to whether you have an actual deficiency or just decided you wanted some meat in your diet? Did you take a blood test?
Lelu2012 10 months ago
@Lelu2012 sounds like they feel betrayed by some other long term vegans that might take B12 shots or animal product suppliments. doesnt sound like they actually had their own blood tested.
Danos138 10 months ago
Not sure if it is too late, but can you stop in Raleigh, North Carolina? (north raleigh) to be specific. @ Cafe Harmony, both Raw and Natural Foods Cafe, a couple doors down the same owners have a Health Store where they have also local organic produce. There is also going to be a sustainability gathering Saturday April 9th Afternoon @ Journey's Spiritual Center off Gresham Lake Rd. Hope you can make it to the cafe, I am not too far from there.
jeagas1 10 months ago
Keep some of that dirt on your food! All good for your B12!
greigmckean 10 months ago