Did the host of this ever notice the Roman Empire. The bigger you get the harder you fall. I say let's get the hell out before we get squished by D.C.
u people r not being persecute or exploited even though i know urs and other white dominated states seem to think otherwise especially after obama became prez. U have no right to declare independence cuz u lack a legitemate excuse to do so. And don't give me that we r agains't evil corporations crap. It so easy to see thats just a bullshit excuse.
Gah! i hate when people say there are more cows than people in vermont, the numbers are no where close! Look it up in the vermont department of agriculture, and compare it to the demographics. however at one point in time there were more sheep in vermont than people
The secession movement has no center or leader, steel dragon. It is emerging because the time is right. And both Vermonters and Flatlanders are involved. We'd agree with you re: FOX.
Fox sucks! As a Vermonter I can't support this secessionist movement led by Thomas Naylor. He's not from Vermont, he's a typical flatlander who has moved here and decided to get involved in our politics.
There are 50 sovereign states all independent . A federation of states, a union. We have never been a country, we're 50 independent countries. The British signed 13 individual treaties with the colonies, not one. So suck it DC!
I would be very down to be out of the union. If you've ever lived in VT you feel how different it is from the rest of the country. Vermonters are kind, liberal, open minded and understanding. The rest of this country has lost its mind. the US IS controlled by corporations. Vermont stays local. Its the best state in the country.
what about the money we borrow like $600 billions from china, $560 billions from japan and $480 billions from the mid-east countries. they will not like it because they will not get their money back.
how would u like if the bank lend u money and u don't pay them back? that is called stealing. it will put our reputation on the line here
we must fix our reputation. our reputation is fucked already. bush messes up in iraq, tortures and screws the people by bailing out wall street
Yeah im sorry man but america kind of sucks on the world scale. I mean it has some wonderful places and nice people but the way you are government and the decisions that have been made by your government gives you a bad name and the rest of the world looks on in disgust.
So...you've surveyed all 620,000 Vermonters and you are quite sure of your conclusions?
We didn't think so. The Vermont independence effort (now 12% of the population) draws support from both natives and flatlanders, actually - come on home and help.
This is a joke...I was born and raised in Vermont and the ONLY people who really want to do this aren't Vermonters!! They are the out-of-staters that move here and think they know what a "Vermont life" is really like! Well this isn't it so stop trying to change things or move back where you came from!
"Did he notice the Civil War?" The War of Northern Aggression had nothing to do with whether secession was legal; it was only an exercise in might making right. Deo Vindice
The Lakota declared independence from the US in 2007 so far no recognition. The Lakota have had enough of the US and so has Vermont. Go Vermont Declare your Freedom!
Vermont is a country in its own right. They have the people, their own constitution, natural resources, and a stagnant economy-that the US is ruining.
NOOO!! We need Vermont to stay in the USA! If states like TX, AL, MS, LA, GA, TN, KY, OK, SC, WV, UT, NE, WY, ID or NC want to leave that's fine with me! but Vermont is one of the few sane states the US has left! I do understand Vermont's frustraition though. The US is WAAAAAY too far right politically!
Personally, I think any kind of secessionists movement in the United States is treasonous. Run your mouth all you want but once you take up violence, we real Americans will defend our our country against all enemies, foreign or domestic. I love this country and I wasn't even born here. Shame to you traitors!
VERMONT has every right to succed ,,,, BUSH and his gang just supported SEPARATION of KOSOVO from SERBIA .... VERMONT should be independent .... USA goverment has lost authority and is ,,,indeed corrupt to the CORE ....
@aviomaster there is a difference. People in kosovo were not immigrants trying to seperate land that is not theres to begin with. The only people in the states that have that right r native americans seeing as it is there land to begin with. Any white speratist government created in the US has no legitemacy to me and other americans of color.
--- sharpshooterx300 ----THAT is what you just said is a CNN -- PRIVATELY GOVERMENT OWNED media ... how can you explain Turks and Kurds problem ... TURKS aree killing KURDS in 2008 ... SO USA should bomb TURKEY and give part of Turkey LAND ... to KURDS right .... SERBIAN army never killed civilians CNN asshole .... THEY killed UCK terrorist organisation the same as PKK KURDISTAN .... PKK fighting for KURDISTAN UCK for free KOSOVO ... YOU got it .
dirk788 ---- CHECK your sources ... I think you got all your unformation from CNN.... KOSOVO was part of SERBIA ... with 89% Albanian population ... ARE you saying if you have majority that you can succed /// I do not think you will get alive from seccesion process in USA ... YOU will get all killed by USA goverment ... RIGHT
if kosovo was part of serbia and 89% were albanian and the serbian government that was killing those albanians just to get them out than thats good that kosovo got there independence serbia should have dealt with that not killing every albanian thats the wrong way. And usa would not do as what serbia did with the kosovo issue and start killing seccesionist.
-- VERMONT should succed if people decide ... THE same way USA supported KOSOVO .... I wanna see JEWS in WASHINGTON ,, what are they going to say now ...
if we did sesede, when bush was told about it he probably "say whose vermont?" hes knows all 49 states and their capitals on HIS map! he dosent even know we exist!
United States is modeled after the City States of Greece, Rome, Italy during the Rennaissaince, and Ancient Sumeria city States. It was common knowledge amongst Ancient Greeks that empires and their empires were a primitive system of governence
It is quite obviously a strong condemnation of the US government when 13 states have seccession movements in place. The Free State Project in NH (not secessionist but could become that), Texas has one, SC has the Christian Exodus Project, and there are others. The US government had better catch on that we are tired of their antics or there might not be a USA in a few years.
Lakadirsk is right. The US government is telling the whole world how to live, what to approve and what to reject. But when it comes to obeing their own rules, they are silent.
I support the Vermont people in their wish to separate from the US.
The only thing I fear is that the US, would boycot all Vermont activities like trade, airtraffic etc...
Perhaps the best post-empire construction would be something like Quebec. Vermont is a beautiful state, it would be even more beautiful if independent
--- WELL USA said INDEPENDENT KOSOVO .. and KOSOVO is not USA ... IT is 9000 miles away .... KOSOVO should not be independent IT was ripped from SERBIA BY NATO force ,... TO create NATO USA state ... KOSOVO ... ALBANIANS now have 2 states ....
Ok i know something about history and what ur talking about kosovo independence well that is a diffrent story since there was war there and genoside so thats why U.S supported that. And U cant compair kosovo issue whith VT.
@tupinchamadre999 i hate fox but even i agrre with them that vermony has no right to seperate considering the land u people occupy is not urs to begin with.
""We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a handful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy, gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference."
no it is completely legal and even recommended by the constitution for the people (Or a state in this case) to revolt against the Government.
In fact, the states are what formed the government in the first place, and then they abolished it under the previous articles of confederation (B4 the bill of rights), only to replace it with the current government we have now, so in a sense, the federal government is subservient to the individual states.
Too STUPID to survive. We elect the communist socialist. We want to be dominated and have no rights. See Shay Vermont on Youtube to see how we like to be treated by Professional Politicans. More coverage than the local press.... DAH
CORP7USA7IS7BK said "in the national socialist democracy corporation USA". corporate USA is a term useful for idiots. without corporations you probably would be sucking for cows.
cows also want independent state, free the cows republic. cows had enough with human eating them in vermont and raising them like animals, they want their independence .they believe vermont is ungovernmental, cannot be sustained, and humans cannot behave like a good cows. FreeCowsMovement.Pork
It's too bad this ran on Fox News. It's clear that Fox only picked up this story so they could belittle the movement in front of their braindead zombie viewers.
Gearoid, Thats the way the major media Like Fox News works. They aren't there to give you the truth they are there to belittle people who "get out of line." If Vermont goes why, next thing you know all the other states might get the idea that they too can act independently of the Federal government can't have that can they? No that might make impossible for them to launch anymore stupid wars at the expense of the average citizen.
Vermont sould have been it's own nation before the US took it away. Same with all the other states that were forced to be in the union. Thanks Pennsylvania and Delaware!
"Did he notice the civil war?" Such a brain dead idiot. The U.S. government's official records don't even call it the "civil war". They call it "the war between the states" because the Confederates were trying to leave not take over. A civil war is when 2 parties fight for control of the same governemnt. The Confederates had their own government.
Where on earth did you get that definition of civil war!? Also the federal government dosent even have an Government wide name for it. There is only one Federal agency that has an official name for it, and its called the Civil war. Congress and most of the other branches since the war has just called it the Civil war, though never officially endorsing the name.
I hope y'all are able to secede. If so I promise we Southron will support y'all - we won't invade you and burn your State like your ancestors helped the Feds do to us.
Oh, and I've always believed the Confederate States had every right to secede, it's in the Constitution. Driving through West Virginia it was really depressing to see how badly federal greed has raped and pillaged the Appalachains.
Interesting that you should bring this up. On October 4, there was a Secession Convention involving groups supporting the secession of various States, including the Southern States and Vermont.
I agree. I wholeheartedly support Vermont secession. We southrons will behave better than our misguided grandfathers and let them go in peace. There is no reason for us to be enemies or hostile. Different countries doesn't have to mean enemies--only neocons think that way. I still intend to trade North Georgia apples and honey for Vermont maple syrup!
@Ameer18 - IF Kosovo with 65% unemployment narco cartels running the country if they can have independence than Vermont is high above those limits.
aviomaster 1 week ago
Independent VERMONT.!!!!!
shahzadazulfiqar1 2 weeks ago
Independent VERMONT.!
shahzadazulfiqar1 2 weeks ago
Did the host of this ever notice the Roman Empire. The bigger you get the harder you fall. I say let's get the hell out before we get squished by D.C.
adcarr10 5 months ago
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adcarr10 5 months ago
Alaska had the same sentiments in 73 when the pipeline came in:
Let the bastards freeze in the dark!
We don't care how they do in on the Outside (lower 48)!
dourtan 11 months ago
Vermont has wanted to secede for quite some time. Of course its a pipe dream
RoryRedBrooklyn 1 year ago
Vermont should be a country alot of people like me are getting tired of the u.s. it is time to secede. u.s. out of vermont!
FreeVermont 1 year ago
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u people r not being persecute or exploited even though i know urs and other white dominated states seem to think otherwise especially after obama became prez. U have no right to declare independence cuz u lack a legitemate excuse to do so. And don't give me that we r agains't evil corporations crap. It so easy to see thats just a bullshit excuse.
Ameer18 2 weeks ago
Gah! i hate when people say there are more cows than people in vermont, the numbers are no where close! Look it up in the vermont department of agriculture, and compare it to the demographics. however at one point in time there were more sheep in vermont than people
75egcg 2 years ago
Lol talk about crazy ppl. DId they forget about the civil war? Does he really think they could secede?
privateworldofwarft 2 years ago
let me go back
nord799 3 years ago
Free Ireland!!
Tiocfaidh ar la! (Our day will come)
remedy63 3 years ago
Neighbor Red -
We'll forgive you Yorkers for that whole 18th century land grants mess. Come on over and lend a hand here in the emerging republic...
V for Vermont!
RobWilliamsMedia 3 years ago
GO VERMONT FROM NEW YORK!
redcomic619 3 years ago
The secession movement has no center or leader, steel dragon. It is emerging because the time is right. And both Vermonters and Flatlanders are involved. We'd agree with you re: FOX.
VermontCommons 3 years ago
Fox sucks! As a Vermonter I can't support this secessionist movement led by Thomas Naylor. He's not from Vermont, he's a typical flatlander who has moved here and decided to get involved in our politics.
steeldragonflames 3 years ago
There are 50 sovereign states all independent . A federation of states, a union. We have never been a country, we're 50 independent countries. The British signed 13 individual treaties with the colonies, not one. So suck it DC!
ZosioxO8 3 years ago
I would be very down to be out of the union. If you've ever lived in VT you feel how different it is from the rest of the country. Vermonters are kind, liberal, open minded and understanding. The rest of this country has lost its mind. the US IS controlled by corporations. Vermont stays local. Its the best state in the country.
acousticriffer 3 years ago
I'm a vermont resident.. I am also an independent write in canidate for vermont governor.. I say "free vermont" we are better off on our own..
jazztrio2008 3 years ago
what about the money we borrow like $600 billions from china, $560 billions from japan and $480 billions from the mid-east countries. they will not like it because they will not get their money back.
how would u like if the bank lend u money and u don't pay them back? that is called stealing. it will put our reputation on the line here
we must fix our reputation. our reputation is fucked already. bush messes up in iraq, tortures and screws the people by bailing out wall street
KhmerD0g 3 years ago
Yeah im sorry man but america kind of sucks on the world scale. I mean it has some wonderful places and nice people but the way you are government and the decisions that have been made by your government gives you a bad name and the rest of the world looks on in disgust.
remedy63 3 years ago
Hi Rosebud,
So...you've surveyed all 620,000 Vermonters and you are quite sure of your conclusions?
We didn't think so. The Vermont independence effort (now 12% of the population) draws support from both natives and flatlanders, actually - come on home and help.
RobWilliamsMedia 3 years ago
This is a joke...I was born and raised in Vermont and the ONLY people who really want to do this aren't Vermonters!! They are the out-of-staters that move here and think they know what a "Vermont life" is really like! Well this isn't it so stop trying to change things or move back where you came from!
cRosebud14 3 years ago
"Did he notice the Civil War?" The War of Northern Aggression had nothing to do with whether secession was legal; it was only an exercise in might making right. Deo Vindice
3rdconfederate 3 years ago
The Lakota declared independence from the US in 2007 so far no recognition. The Lakota have had enough of the US and so has Vermont. Go Vermont Declare your Freedom!
ZosioxO8 3 years ago
Im from northern Ireland and I say
FREE VERMONT
FREE IRELAND!!! TIOCHFAIDH AR LA(our day will come)
remedy63 3 years ago
free tibet.
KhmerD0g 3 years ago
Vermont is a country in its own right. They have the people, their own constitution, natural resources, and a stagnant economy-that the US is ruining.
Imbaimadai 3 years ago
NOOO!! We need Vermont to stay in the USA! If states like TX, AL, MS, LA, GA, TN, KY, OK, SC, WV, UT, NE, WY, ID or NC want to leave that's fine with me! but Vermont is one of the few sane states the US has left! I do understand Vermont's frustraition though. The US is WAAAAAY too far right politically!
sral187 3 years ago
Vermont was a country for 15 years before joining the union
Vermont was the first country to have a national postal service
avengemm9dog 3 years ago 2
So i guess royal mail dosent count.
42isgod 2 years ago
The problem with Vermont is that it is too small to be a republic, and too large to be an insane asylum.
Braveheart6642 3 years ago
Personally, I think any kind of secessionists movement in the United States is treasonous. Run your mouth all you want but once you take up violence, we real Americans will defend our our country against all enemies, foreign or domestic. I love this country and I wasn't even born here. Shame to you traitors!
L0C85 3 years ago
the secession movement in vermont is entirely non violent. your violence would have to be initiated by america.
eyekeck 3 years ago
If you want try to secede, do it now. Because once Obama or McCain come into office, you will be crushed.
L0C85 3 years ago 2
VERMONT has every right to succed ,,,, BUSH and his gang just supported SEPARATION of KOSOVO from SERBIA .... VERMONT should be independent .... USA goverment has lost authority and is ,,,indeed corrupt to the CORE ....
aviomaster 3 years ago 7
@aviomaster there is a difference. People in kosovo were not immigrants trying to seperate land that is not theres to begin with. The only people in the states that have that right r native americans seeing as it is there land to begin with. Any white speratist government created in the US has no legitemacy to me and other americans of color.
Ameer18 2 weeks ago
--- sharpshooterx300 ----THAT is what you just said is a CNN -- PRIVATELY GOVERMENT OWNED media ... how can you explain Turks and Kurds problem ... TURKS aree killing KURDS in 2008 ... SO USA should bomb TURKEY and give part of Turkey LAND ... to KURDS right .... SERBIAN army never killed civilians CNN asshole .... THEY killed UCK terrorist organisation the same as PKK KURDISTAN .... PKK fighting for KURDISTAN UCK for free KOSOVO ... YOU got it .
aviomaster 3 years ago
I support ya'll. I'm a fighter for the Confederacy in the South! Deo Vindice
bamakid93 3 years ago
dirk788 ---- CHECK your sources ... I think you got all your unformation from CNN.... KOSOVO was part of SERBIA ... with 89% Albanian population ... ARE you saying if you have majority that you can succed /// I do not think you will get alive from seccesion process in USA ... YOU will get all killed by USA goverment ... RIGHT
aviomaster 3 years ago
if kosovo was part of serbia and 89% were albanian and the serbian government that was killing those albanians just to get them out than thats good that kosovo got there independence serbia should have dealt with that not killing every albanian thats the wrong way. And usa would not do as what serbia did with the kosovo issue and start killing seccesionist.
sharpshooterx300 3 years ago
-- VERMONT should succed if people decide ... THE same way USA supported KOSOVO .... I wanna see JEWS in WASHINGTON ,, what are they going to say now ...
aviomaster 3 years ago
if we did sesede, when bush was told about it he probably "say whose vermont?" hes knows all 49 states and their capitals on HIS map! he dosent even know we exist!
MyLittleDickens 3 years ago
If you secede bush will attack........ New Jersey..
hellrazer013 3 years ago
Beauty=Independance
Independance=Beauty
Secede!
Mom2008VT 3 years ago
Free Vermont!!
hughess3 3 years ago 2
see Shay Vermont video to see how likely any politician is to do what they are directed to do. We do elect many women that act just like this bit??.
concerned00citizen 3 years ago
United States is modeled after the City States of Greece, Rome, Italy during the Rennaissaince, and Ancient Sumeria city States. It was common knowledge amongst Ancient Greeks that empires and their empires were a primitive system of governence
oathniel 4 years ago
It is quite obviously a strong condemnation of the US government when 13 states have seccession movements in place. The Free State Project in NH (not secessionist but could become that), Texas has one, SC has the Christian Exodus Project, and there are others. The US government had better catch on that we are tired of their antics or there might not be a USA in a few years.
bigdstocktrader 4 years ago
Lakadirsk is right. The US government is telling the whole world how to live, what to approve and what to reject. But when it comes to obeing their own rules, they are silent.
I support the Vermont people in their wish to separate from the US.
The only thing I fear is that the US, would boycot all Vermont activities like trade, airtraffic etc...
Perhaps the best post-empire construction would be something like Quebec. Vermont is a beautiful state, it would be even more beautiful if independent
westmalle00 4 years ago
If the USA prevents Vermont from seceding, Serbia should send bombers to bomb USA into submission.
lakadirsk 4 years ago
then us will nuke ur ass whipe u out.lol
staticxx7 4 years ago
PERFECT POINT! - Every country has its Kosovo - NOW WE WANT VERMONT FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!
dsigroup 3 years ago
How can u say we want vermont free Ur not even american.
staticxx7 3 years ago
--- WELL USA said INDEPENDENT KOSOVO .. and KOSOVO is not USA ... IT is 9000 miles away .... KOSOVO should not be independent IT was ripped from SERBIA BY NATO force ,... TO create NATO USA state ... KOSOVO ... ALBANIANS now have 2 states ....
aviomaster 3 years ago
Ok i know something about history and what ur talking about kosovo independence well that is a diffrent story since there was war there and genoside so thats why U.S supported that. And U cant compair kosovo issue whith VT.
dirk788 3 years ago
of course fox would bash vermont. typical asswipe cocksuckers
tupinchamadre999 4 years ago 10
@tupinchamadre999 i hate fox but even i agrre with them that vermony has no right to seperate considering the land u people occupy is not urs to begin with.
Ameer18 2 weeks ago
he said cessation movement instead of secession movement. what an idiot
therevolutionscript 4 years ago
""We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a handful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy, gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference."
BigOrangeTitan 4 years ago
Pro secession people will be happy to know that the Lakota Sioux HAVE Seceded from the U.S. Russell means announced it 3 days ago.
BigOrangeTitan 4 years ago
It would be more realistic for Vermonters to petition to become a province of Canada.
mikemmlj 4 years ago
The Vermont independence effort is exploring a number of ideas re: post-Empire political configurations.
Thanks for wiring us with your idea.
Free Vermont. Long live the "Untied States."
RobWilliamsMedia 4 years ago
Isn't it illegal for a state in the U.S. to become part of another country? I thought I read that somewhere.
RonPaulfollower999 4 years ago
no it is completely legal and even recommended by the constitution for the people (Or a state in this case) to revolt against the Government.
In fact, the states are what formed the government in the first place, and then they abolished it under the previous articles of confederation (B4 the bill of rights), only to replace it with the current government we have now, so in a sense, the federal government is subservient to the individual states.
oathniel 4 years ago
Too STUPID to survive. We elect the communist socialist. We want to be dominated and have no rights. See Shay Vermont on Youtube to see how we like to be treated by Professional Politicans. More coverage than the local press.... DAH
concerned00citizen 4 years ago
CORP7USA7IS7BK said "in the national socialist democracy corporation USA". corporate USA is a term useful for idiots. without corporations you probably would be sucking for cows.
zoromaskcoming 4 years ago
cows also want independent state, free the cows republic. cows had enough with human eating them in vermont and raising them like animals, they want their independence .they believe vermont is ungovernmental, cannot be sustained, and humans cannot behave like a good cows. FreeCowsMovement.Pork
zoromaskcoming 4 years ago
that fox news guy smileing...hes the first yankee im going shoot if war breaks out
BOMBERMAN1231029 4 years ago
It's too bad this ran on Fox News. It's clear that Fox only picked up this story so they could belittle the movement in front of their braindead zombie viewers.
GearoidSullivan 4 years ago 2
Gearoid, Thats the way the major media Like Fox News works. They aren't there to give you the truth they are there to belittle people who "get out of line." If Vermont goes why, next thing you know all the other states might get the idea that they too can act independently of the Federal government can't have that can they? No that might make impossible for them to launch anymore stupid wars at the expense of the average citizen.
BigOrangeTitan 4 years ago
Vermont sould have been it's own nation before the US took it away. Same with all the other states that were forced to be in the union. Thanks Pennsylvania and Delaware!
Imbaimadai 4 years ago
It was.
CaptainBeetheart 4 years ago
"Did he notice the civil war?" Such a brain dead idiot. The U.S. government's official records don't even call it the "civil war". They call it "the war between the states" because the Confederates were trying to leave not take over. A civil war is when 2 parties fight for control of the same governemnt. The Confederates had their own government.
BigOrangeTitan 4 years ago
Where on earth did you get that definition of civil war!? Also the federal government dosent even have an Government wide name for it. There is only one Federal agency that has an official name for it, and its called the Civil war. Congress and most of the other branches since the war has just called it the Civil war, though never officially endorsing the name.
42isgod 2 years ago
I hope y'all are able to secede. If so I promise we Southron will support y'all - we won't invade you and burn your State like your ancestors helped the Feds do to us.
RedShirtArmy 4 years ago 2
Thank you. General Sherman was a lunatic that had no business being anywhere near the United States Army.
CaptainBeetheart 4 years ago
Oh, and I've always believed the Confederate States had every right to secede, it's in the Constitution. Driving through West Virginia it was really depressing to see how badly federal greed has raped and pillaged the Appalachains.
CaptainBeetheart 4 years ago
Interesting that you should bring this up. On October 4, there was a Secession Convention involving groups supporting the secession of various States, including the Southern States and Vermont.
SMP0328 4 years ago
I agree. I wholeheartedly support Vermont secession. We southrons will behave better than our misguided grandfathers and let them go in peace. There is no reason for us to be enemies or hostile. Different countries doesn't have to mean enemies--only neocons think that way. I still intend to trade North Georgia apples and honey for Vermont maple syrup!
jackspratt409 4 years ago
The laughing seemed forced. They need to hire better actors, I mean reporters, at Fox News.
mightisright 4 years ago 2