Sorry 4everloveambassador, but you're making some big (il)logical leaps. Your eternal, immaterial first causes can simply be LAWS - no sentience required. And there are various theories about a cyclic or oscillatory universe as well - and that's not even getting into the theories that involve other universes. It'll be a long while before we know which, is any, is right or if any are feasible but that still doesn't mean that the dude with the long white beard started it all
Okay even if I was able to accept all of what you were saying, it still wouldn't be proof that it was a God that created the universe. Using your arguments, one can say the universe was created by fairies. If one being can be eternal, then presumably, so could many more.
Btw we have no proof that the Universe began to exist. The Big Bang theory describes an expansion of the already existing Universe, it's not a model of how the entire Universe began, just the version of it we're familiar with.
@marsjacobvolta "In a good moral family child doesnt need proof to understand father. But in immoral family child has to go for proof to a DNA test." I think this is the difference between atheist and religous person.
This is a complete fail. Your whole argument rests on the notion that god "did not come to be... so he didn't need a cause." There is nothing offered scientifically that backs up this claim... this is just your faith.
If your point was so valid, why are so many scientists atheist?
@dangle66 My biology teacher is Catholic. My Chemistry teacher a Protestant. My Physics teacher a Muslim. My Earth Science teacher a Jew. Every single person I have ever met personally in the scientific field has had a faith.
Mind me saying I like the music... the content on the other end is incredibly flawed logically. It makes tons of logical fallacies and seems to be missing an actual point. Too many assertions. I'd love to actually see some actual science and not made up garbage :). Far far too many assertions for a man of science's taste.
Life itself is eternal and God is the Source of all life.Life NEVER comes from inert matter.Life can come ONLY from life itself.Matter comes from life(God) as well.Not even one alive cell was ever created artificially by scientists, they are only able to experiment on already alive cells.What is the difference between alive body and dead body?:the moment that makes a difference is the moment when the soul leaves the body.We are spirit souls & not the material bodies.
@4EverLoveAmbassador Can you explain how God would have created the others? Or how that one is a holy spirit, another a God that is heard but rarely ever seen, and the Son of man a man/mortal as well as Messiah...
@4EverLoveAmbassador The Holy Spirit did not make God... The Holy Spirit is a part of God and a part of His three natures - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Therefore, He always was, 'In the Beginning was the Word' - hence, The Word is God.. and has always existed as he simply is.
No person who's alive knows what happens after death, no book or words can describe the personal experience...DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?...Every living person has their own personal idea but it's only ASSUMPTIONS, straight thinking people understand that FACT. Mentaly ill belive in religions and think they have the answer about god. I'm not athiest but I don't believe in any religion, I simply don't know what is after we die, when I die I will find out.
Science on the other hand, makes no assertions for "magic sky daddies" because none have ever been quantified, measured or observed. Despite what any religion says about their "special brand" of magic sky daddies.
And all this coming from a single bronze age book of fables, no doubt!
How scientific!
This lacks all evidence, and is a logical fallacy.
The common mistake you make (besides several unfounded leaps you make) is to leave out the possibility of a physical cause which we do not yet understand (and possibly can't even comprehend). It's the same mistake humankind has made countless times throughout history to explain anything: volcanoes, the weather, the planets, the sun, earthquakes, floods, fire, etc.
@vargonian, I'll have you know that this video is only a small snippet of a 300+ page book. The authors "don't make assertions that Christianity is true--they give evidence every step of the way, from the question of truth all the way to the inspiration of the Bible." They certainly do not leave out the possibility of a physical cause for the universe.
@vargonian/ [Continued] I would highly advise you to take a look at 'I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST' here: ImpactApologetics[.]com to find out if I am NOT lying, and to find out if they have a "religious bias" to their argument as many people claim of authors like these to have.
You make a crucial mistake. The universe is not stagnant, but forever changing. It is eternal. In fact it is the process of eternity itself. For without the universe there would be no time. The universe is everything. It is all powerful. Within its eternity it creates all things and is in all things.
You're on Earth. You start walking west. You eventually return to where you started.
You're in time. You start heading into the future. You eventually return to where you started.
Existence is without beginning or end, in the same sense the Earth is without "north of the north pole." Hence, we have no need of a first cause to explain existence.
The 2nd Law of Thermo is easily gotten 'round. Gravity's negative energy is infinite. This is converted into kinetic energy at the Big Crunch which supplies the universe with the necessary energy for another go. Google "Endless Universe" by Steinhardt and Turok for a more in-depth explanation.
@WithoutGods, I am not a Cosmological professor, nor a student of that matter, but I will absolutely take your claim into consideration, and, I would be deeply have appreciation if you would do the same for mine.
ImpactApologetics[.]com for 'I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST' by Turek, Geisler. And here is Turek's website if you have questions or refutations: CrossExamined[.]org
Sorry, but the title "I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST" is too snarky for me to consider looking at it. This author seems to be preaching to the choir rather than trying to reach out to atheists.
Anyway, I've been "reached out to" more than my fair share over the last 52 years. I'm now reaching out to religious people to try to save them from their delusions. I have hope, given the trends away from religion, that some are getting the message.
"With each passing moment, the amount of usable energy in the universe grows smaller, leading scientists to the obvious conclusion that one day all the energy will be gone & the universe will die. Like a running car, the universe will ultimately run out of gas.
You say,'So what? How does that prove that the universe had a beginning?' Well, look at it this way: the FIRST Law of Thermodynamics states that the total amount of energy in the universe is constant."
"With each passing moment, the amount of usable energy in the universe grows smaller, leading scientists to the obvious conclusion that one day all the energy will be gone & the universe will die. Like a running car, the universe will ultimately run out of gas.
You say,'So what? How does that prove that the universe had a beginning?' Well, look at it this way: the FIRST Law of Thermodynamics states that the total amount of energy in the universe is constant."
"With each passing moment, the amount of usable energy in the universe grows smaller, leading scientists to the obvious conclusion that one day all the energy will be gone & the universe will die. Like a running car, the universe will ultimately run out of gas.
You say,'So what? How does that prove that the universe had a beginning?' Well, look at it this way: the FIRST Law of Thermodynamics states that the total amount of energy in the universe is constant. "
"In other words, the universe has only a finite amount of energy (much as your car has only a finite amount of gas). Now, if your car has only a finite amount of gas (the First Law), & whenever it's running it continually consumes gas (the Second Law), would your car be running right now if you had started it up an infinitely long time ago? No, of course not. It would be out of gas by now."
"In the same way, the universe would be out of energy by now if it had been running from all eternity.But here we are--the lights are still on, so the universe must have begun sometime in the finite past. That is, the universe is not eternal--it had a beginning." (pg.76 of 'I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST' by Turek, Geisler)
This video is, at best, an argument for deism. It presents no evidence linking the supposed creator to an religion. In fact, this video supports the scientific explanation of the origin of the universe, the evidence of which completely contradicts any religious creation story.
There may or may not be some creator deity (I highly doubt it), but of the thousands of religions that have existed over the centuries, not one of them can be true.
I'm gonna have to agree that this argument is terrible.
To be fair, it's only an excuse of saying that because he doesn't really understand big bang theory, then suddenly he's somehow justified to ignore it and go back to his religious beliefs.
It's intellectually lazy, it's deliberately dishonest, it's not a search for truth but merely... an excuse to not change.
Trying to have the cake and eat it too huh???,,,oh god is infinite!,,,oh he can not be tested!!,,bla,,bla,,bla,,bla...you are referring to AXIOMS...( believed truths without the need for proof ) I DON"T THINK SO ! HOMEY DON"T PLAY THAT !!...why not say the spaggetty monster or the magical golden bugs were the ones that created it all??? then just say that they don't comform to physical laws and there fore they can not be proven....sounds like a lot of bullshit from religious bullshitters !
Science points to a universe that was once a singularity, where the laws of physics broke down completely, including gravity, electromagnetism, entropy, inertia, nuclear force, space, time..et al.
Therefore, all the current scientific means we have to analyze the universe before that WILL NOT WORK. It does not suggest the universe was 'created', only that there is a current range to our understanding. That range is ~14 billion years.
A terrible argument because the answer is beyond our understanding, to say whats beyond the universe proves one thing or another is false, we can only guess, be it god, a multiverse or a mandelbrot set form of eternity
sekulaadam, where is the part in the Bible where God ordered to kill a man because he collected wood on Sabbath day? Just wondering, because I may be able to help you with the reason God chose to do that. Thanks!
Numbers15:32-36 I'd rather hear alleged jahve to justify himself of the deed he ordered to commit than some go between follower of his.Why is he masculine in the first place?
To the author, your arguments are good, but you fail to consider the difference between observable universe (which is not infinite) and total universe, which contains all reality and is eternal.
I'm on page 79 of the book right now. It is quite well written, though with some smallish problems. For example, at the 48 second mark of this video (which appears to be puling quotes from the book) it states that "God did not come to be." And how did the author determine that? Quite simply, because it is necessary in order for his religious beliefs to be correct or for the Cosmological Argument to lead people to believe that their particular God is the creator.
Yes, this video is from the section in the book(p.92-93).
It does appear to be that the authors are taking the claim that "God did not come to be"(p.92) and basing it on their religious beliefs. However, a look at the text reveals that this idea is not true.
First, page 93 states that they can "discover some characteristics of the First Cause just from the evidence we've discussed in this chapter."
They then go on saying that "(since the First Cause created time, space, and matter, the First Cause must be outside of time, space, and matter). In other words, he is without limits, or infinite." This is also discussed earlier throughout the chapter.
Second, the authors even tell the reader to "Notice that this conclusion is consistent with theistic religions, but it is not based on those religions"(93) Now, these men are Christians. Christianity is against lieing(Exodus 20:16)
so why should we expect men of Christianity to give in to that act by fooling the reader into thinking that they based their conclusion off of their religion, even though they explicitly say they did not? Plus, the editors and overviewers of the book might have already sighted some sort of mistake before us, because they are the ones searching for mistakes and errors--it's their job.
Now, this is how I know that they did not come to their conclusion because the necessity of their religious belief demands them to. It is simply "based on good reason and evidence."(p.93)
Do you have any other problems(or questions) with the book?
2) there's an interview of Leonard Susskind on youtube where he talks about what most cosmologists think about the origin of the universe. He never mentions gods.
God is just ONE idea to explain the universe. We may find out that in fact that the universe has a much more complicated cause. For instance it might be infinite. There might be an infinite number of universes. Some could support the emergence while most couldn't.
Why would there have to be only one universe after all?
The problem with your idea of god is that you invent something that we have no proof of. We KNOW that at least one universe exist, so what is the highest probability, that other universe exists, or that something with extraordinary characteristic, of which we have zero proof exists?
The idea of god really seems too easy and convenient for me.
You probably know what I'm going to say next.. Take a look at Turek and Geisler's book!
We can't know God from senses like touch, smell, hearing, and looking. Just like a building. When you see a skyscraper which has art, order, and design, you know that there was a builder, correct? You cannot touch, smell, taste, or hear the builder but you know there was one. Doesn't this earth have art, order, and design too?
And battery, please forgive me if you feel like I've been pressing this book into you. I just think it is the best explaining book to describe Christianity in whole.
If you would read it at all, I would ask you to read it with a will to look at evidence. Without such a will, your mind remains closed and nothing can surpass it.
An Atheist once watched my video that had a piece of info that said that the Bible was the best selling book in the world, and he said something like, popularity has nothing to do with fact. A well-known lie is as great as a low one.
Almost all of these physicists and cosmologists grew up into evolution and what they have taught in public schools. I don't know if that 10% is true, but if it was, I wouldn't be surprised!
Yes, you are right, God is just one idea but so is Susskind's. What we need to find is evidence supporting each one. Turek and Geisler's 'I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST' does just that.
I think it would be unlikely for an infinite number of universes, but if there were wouldn't they need a cause too? After all, a universe cannot come from nothing!
Your religion is a myth. And there is probably no god. People just don't want to face the reality as it is..
We will know relatively soo with the new LHC if more dimensions exists, if the string theory is likely to be correct etc.. Susskind is a very smart guy don't underestimate him and the other cosmologists.
Did you even look at the whole video? The description? Or are you just exclaiming this to the world to lower Christians confidence and bash Christianity?
We could definately say the same for you! Since Atheism basically has no moral standard, then we should expect destruction! We should expect stealing, cursing, and lying. Are we still burdening to society?
(Don't get me wrong, there can be and are some Atheist's who are not like this)
If you would read all the way to this point in the book it would be understandable, but from a short video clip about it, you may miss the point.
So, they stated that the universe being eternal was not actual because of all the scientific and philosophical evidence. Some of what they stated was SURGE standing for S--The Second Law of Thermodynamics('..the Second Law states, among other things, that the universe is running out of usable energy..')
U--The Universe Is Expanding('How does the expanding universe prove a beginning?...if we could watch a video recording of the history of the universe, in reverse, we would see all matter in the universe collapse back...mathematically and logically to a point that is actually nothing')
R--Radiation from the Big Bang(Penzias and Wilson 'discovered the afterglow form the Big Bang fireball explosion')
G--Great Galaxy Seeds(If the Big Bang actually occurred, scientists believed that we should see slight variations [or ripples] in the temperature of the cosmic background radiation. COBE not only found the ripples, but scientists were amazed at their precision. The ripples show that the explosion and expansion of the universe was precisely tweaked to cause just enough matter to congregate to allow galaxy formation,
The question "Who made God" is extremly stupid.God by definiton is eternal.Nobody MADE God because he wouldn't be God at all.You're a victim of the infinite regression!
Sorry 4everloveambassador, but you're making some big (il)logical leaps. Your eternal, immaterial first causes can simply be LAWS - no sentience required. And there are various theories about a cyclic or oscillatory universe as well - and that's not even getting into the theories that involve other universes. It'll be a long while before we know which, is any, is right or if any are feasible but that still doesn't mean that the dude with the long white beard started it all
R4t10n4L 10 months ago 2
tch tch... idiot...
therealsoumen 10 months ago
Okay even if I was able to accept all of what you were saying, it still wouldn't be proof that it was a God that created the universe. Using your arguments, one can say the universe was created by fairies. If one being can be eternal, then presumably, so could many more.
Btw we have no proof that the Universe began to exist. The Big Bang theory describes an expansion of the already existing Universe, it's not a model of how the entire Universe began, just the version of it we're familiar with.
marsjacobvolta 1 year ago
@marsjacobvolta "In a good moral family child doesnt need proof to understand father. But in immoral family child has to go for proof to a DNA test." I think this is the difference between atheist and religous person.
aadammahdi 1 year ago
This is a complete fail. Your whole argument rests on the notion that god "did not come to be... so he didn't need a cause." There is nothing offered scientifically that backs up this claim... this is just your faith.
If your point was so valid, why are so many scientists atheist?
dangle66 1 year ago
@dangle66 My biology teacher is Catholic. My Chemistry teacher a Protestant. My Physics teacher a Muslim. My Earth Science teacher a Jew. Every single person I have ever met personally in the scientific field has had a faith.
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Mind me saying I like the music... the content on the other end is incredibly flawed logically. It makes tons of logical fallacies and seems to be missing an actual point. Too many assertions. I'd love to actually see some actual science and not made up garbage :). Far far too many assertions for a man of science's taste.
Entertainmentwf 1 year ago
Life itself is eternal and God is the Source of all life.Life NEVER comes from inert matter.Life can come ONLY from life itself.Matter comes from life(God) as well.Not even one alive cell was ever created artificially by scientists, they are only able to experiment on already alive cells.What is the difference between alive body and dead body?:the moment that makes a difference is the moment when the soul leaves the body.We are spirit souls & not the material bodies.
Vedantka 1 year ago
Who made God?
The Holy Spirit...
2222554 1 year ago
@2222554, But how can the Holy Spirit make God if God the Father, God the Son, & the Holy Spirit are one?
4EverLoveAmbassador 1 year ago
@4EverLoveAmbassador Can you explain how God would have created the others? Or how that one is a holy spirit, another a God that is heard but rarely ever seen, and the Son of man a man/mortal as well as Messiah...
2222554 1 year ago
@4EverLoveAmbassador The Holy Spirit did not make God... The Holy Spirit is a part of God and a part of His three natures - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Therefore, He always was, 'In the Beginning was the Word' - hence, The Word is God.. and has always existed as he simply is.
misspiccola11 3 months ago
what's the name of the song?
Redcaster916 1 year ago
@Redcaster916:
Quutamo by Apocalyptica
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4EverLoveAmbassador 1 year ago
No person who's alive knows what happens after death, no book or words can describe the personal experience...DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?...Every living person has their own personal idea but it's only ASSUMPTIONS, straight thinking people understand that FACT. Mentaly ill belive in religions and think they have the answer about god. I'm not athiest but I don't believe in any religion, I simply don't know what is after we die, when I die I will find out.
Redcaster916 1 year ago
Who says God didn't have a beginning? Who says god wasn't made? Where's the evidence for these claims?
NoCrispin 1 year ago
God is made by another God. Like Russian puppets.
SteauaBucuresti 1 year ago
i made god
Soberum 1 year ago
@Soberum,
Did you also create your birth?
4EverLoveAmbassador 1 year ago
two words 4 u - string theory
fujinmage 1 year ago
Nonsense and speculation in something unproven.
This is what religion "shines" at.
Science on the other hand, makes no assertions for "magic sky daddies" because none have ever been quantified, measured or observed. Despite what any religion says about their "special brand" of magic sky daddies.
And all this coming from a single bronze age book of fables, no doubt!
How scientific!
This lacks all evidence, and is a logical fallacy.
The default position is never "God did it"
Sorry retard.
bigboy45454545 1 year ago
The common mistake you make (besides several unfounded leaps you make) is to leave out the possibility of a physical cause which we do not yet understand (and possibly can't even comprehend). It's the same mistake humankind has made countless times throughout history to explain anything: volcanoes, the weather, the planets, the sun, earthquakes, floods, fire, etc.
vargonian 1 year ago
@vargonian, I'll have you know that this video is only a small snippet of a 300+ page book. The authors "don't make assertions that Christianity is true--they give evidence every step of the way, from the question of truth all the way to the inspiration of the Bible." They certainly do not leave out the possibility of a physical cause for the universe.
[Continued]
4EverLoveAmbassador 1 year ago
@vargonian/ [Continued] I would highly advise you to take a look at 'I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST' here: ImpactApologetics[.]com to find out if I am NOT lying, and to find out if they have a "religious bias" to their argument as many people claim of authors like these to have.
4EverLoveAmbassador 1 year ago
You make a crucial mistake. The universe is not stagnant, but forever changing. It is eternal. In fact it is the process of eternity itself. For without the universe there would be no time. The universe is everything. It is all powerful. Within its eternity it creates all things and is in all things.
lefty6584 1 year ago
Not only is space curved, time is curved as well.
You're on Earth. You start walking west. You eventually return to where you started.
You're in time. You start heading into the future. You eventually return to where you started.
Existence is without beginning or end, in the same sense the Earth is without "north of the north pole." Hence, we have no need of a first cause to explain existence.
WithoutGods 1 year ago
@WithoutGods, Existence of what? Man? Machines? Cars? God?
If you are claiming that the universe is eternal, here are some reasons why it can NOT be:
"The Second Law of Thermodynamics states, among other things, that the universe is running out of usable energy.
[Continued]
4EverLoveAmbassador 1 year ago
@4EverLoveAmbassador
The 2nd Law of Thermo is easily gotten 'round. Gravity's negative energy is infinite. This is converted into kinetic energy at the Big Crunch which supplies the universe with the necessary energy for another go. Google "Endless Universe" by Steinhardt and Turok for a more in-depth explanation.
WithoutGods 1 year ago
@WithoutGods, I am not a Cosmological professor, nor a student of that matter, but I will absolutely take your claim into consideration, and, I would be deeply have appreciation if you would do the same for mine.
ImpactApologetics[.]com for 'I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST' by Turek, Geisler. And here is Turek's website if you have questions or refutations: CrossExamined[.]org
Thanks
4EverLoveAmbassador 1 year ago
@4EverLoveAmbassador
Sorry, but the title "I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST" is too snarky for me to consider looking at it. This author seems to be preaching to the choir rather than trying to reach out to atheists.
Anyway, I've been "reached out to" more than my fair share over the last 52 years. I'm now reaching out to religious people to try to save them from their delusions. I have hope, given the trends away from religion, that some are getting the message.
WithoutGods 1 year ago
@WithoutGods,
"With each passing moment, the amount of usable energy in the universe grows smaller, leading scientists to the obvious conclusion that one day all the energy will be gone & the universe will die. Like a running car, the universe will ultimately run out of gas.
You say,'So what? How does that prove that the universe had a beginning?' Well, look at it this way: the FIRST Law of Thermodynamics states that the total amount of energy in the universe is constant."
{Continued}
4EverLoveAmbassador 1 year ago
@WithoutGods,
"With each passing moment, the amount of usable energy in the universe grows smaller, leading scientists to the obvious conclusion that one day all the energy will be gone & the universe will die. Like a running car, the universe will ultimately run out of gas.
You say,'So what? How does that prove that the universe had a beginning?' Well, look at it this way: the FIRST Law of Thermodynamics states that the total amount of energy in the universe is constant."
{Continued}
4EverLoveAmbassador 1 year ago
@WithoutGods,
"With each passing moment, the amount of usable energy in the universe grows smaller, leading scientists to the obvious conclusion that one day all the energy will be gone & the universe will die. Like a running car, the universe will ultimately run out of gas.
You say,'So what? How does that prove that the universe had a beginning?' Well, look at it this way: the FIRST Law of Thermodynamics states that the total amount of energy in the universe is constant. "
{Continued}
4EverLoveAmbassador 1 year ago
@WithoutGods/
"In other words, the universe has only a finite amount of energy (much as your car has only a finite amount of gas). Now, if your car has only a finite amount of gas (the First Law), & whenever it's running it continually consumes gas (the Second Law), would your car be running right now if you had started it up an infinitely long time ago? No, of course not. It would be out of gas by now."
[Continued]
4EverLoveAmbassador 1 year ago
@WithoutGods/
"In the same way, the universe would be out of energy by now if it had been running from all eternity.But here we are--the lights are still on, so the universe must have begun sometime in the finite past. That is, the universe is not eternal--it had a beginning." (pg.76 of 'I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST' by Turek, Geisler)
4EverLoveAmbassador 1 year ago
Numbers 15:32-36, don't need Ur help in understanding it mateJust think why gathering wood is a crime deserving death punishment.
sekulaadam 1 year ago
Numbers 15:32 -36 and don't help me I can think 4 myself
sekulaadam 1 year ago
This video is, at best, an argument for deism. It presents no evidence linking the supposed creator to an religion. In fact, this video supports the scientific explanation of the origin of the universe, the evidence of which completely contradicts any religious creation story.
There may or may not be some creator deity (I highly doubt it), but of the thousands of religions that have existed over the centuries, not one of them can be true.
mrgreyblake 1 year ago
Humans invented Gods. First came humans then came God or Gods.
Cainkane1 1 year ago
I'm gonna have to agree that this argument is terrible.
To be fair, it's only an excuse of saying that because he doesn't really understand big bang theory, then suddenly he's somehow justified to ignore it and go back to his religious beliefs.
It's intellectually lazy, it's deliberately dishonest, it's not a search for truth but merely... an excuse to not change.
sonic8005 1 year ago
Trying to have the cake and eat it too huh???,,,oh god is infinite!,,,oh he can not be tested!!,,bla,,bla,,bla,,bla...you are referring to AXIOMS...( believed truths without the need for proof ) I DON"T THINK SO ! HOMEY DON"T PLAY THAT !!...why not say the spaggetty monster or the magical golden bugs were the ones that created it all??? then just say that they don't comform to physical laws and there fore they can not be proven....sounds like a lot of bullshit from religious bullshitters !
recordingbean 1 year ago
This is a fucking sacrilege!!!!!!
You can't associate this crap with Apocalyptica's "divine" music.
You should be condemned to death!
radufefceac 1 year ago
don't post any more crap you retard
peterwetton 1 year ago
a nother fanatic,THERS NO GOD!
filozovs 1 year ago
This is pure hypothetical bs with no fact to back up. Again creationist are pulling shit out of their ass.
boinkys 1 year ago
the answer to the question in the title is easy MAN made god
billyboy4301 1 year ago
lol, you capitalize the "Beginner", now thats how to be objective and without presupposed beliefs!
errskin 1 year ago
this is complete rubish
Homura23 1 year ago
Science points to a universe that was once a singularity, where the laws of physics broke down completely, including gravity, electromagnetism, entropy, inertia, nuclear force, space, time..et al.
Therefore, all the current scientific means we have to analyze the universe before that WILL NOT WORK. It does not suggest the universe was 'created', only that there is a current range to our understanding. That range is ~14 billion years.
gatorpower 1 year ago
A terrible argument because the answer is beyond our understanding, to say whats beyond the universe proves one thing or another is false, we can only guess, be it god, a multiverse or a mandelbrot set form of eternity
MegaJay79 2 years ago
keep up the good work frank , this stuff is a real eye opener......
fordatude 2 years ago
Eternal being who ordered to kill a guy 'cause he collected some wood on Sabbathday
sekulaadam 2 years ago
sekulaadam, where is the part in the Bible where God ordered to kill a man because he collected wood on Sabbath day? Just wondering, because I may be able to help you with the reason God chose to do that. Thanks!
4EverLoveAmbassador 1 year ago
Numbers15:32-36 I'd rather hear alleged jahve to justify himself of the deed he ordered to commit than some go between follower of his.Why is he masculine in the first place?
sekulaadam 1 year ago
I just bought this book today! I'm loving it! :) It gives me more reassurance that God IS real.
swtxwishes 2 years ago
To the author, your arguments are good, but you fail to consider the difference between observable universe (which is not infinite) and total universe, which contains all reality and is eternal.
Guildhelm 2 years ago
I'm on page 79 of the book right now. It is quite well written, though with some smallish problems. For example, at the 48 second mark of this video (which appears to be puling quotes from the book) it states that "God did not come to be." And how did the author determine that? Quite simply, because it is necessary in order for his religious beliefs to be correct or for the Cosmological Argument to lead people to believe that their particular God is the creator.
richchappell 2 years ago
Yes, this video is from the section in the book(p.92-93).
It does appear to be that the authors are taking the claim that "God did not come to be"(p.92) and basing it on their religious beliefs. However, a look at the text reveals that this idea is not true.
First, page 93 states that they can "discover some characteristics of the First Cause just from the evidence we've discussed in this chapter."
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4EverLoveAmbassador 1 year ago
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They then go on saying that "(since the First Cause created time, space, and matter, the First Cause must be outside of time, space, and matter). In other words, he is without limits, or infinite." This is also discussed earlier throughout the chapter.
Second, the authors even tell the reader to "Notice that this conclusion is consistent with theistic religions, but it is not based on those religions"(93) Now, these men are Christians. Christianity is against lieing(Exodus 20:16)
4EverLoveAmbassador 1 year ago
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so why should we expect men of Christianity to give in to that act by fooling the reader into thinking that they based their conclusion off of their religion, even though they explicitly say they did not? Plus, the editors and overviewers of the book might have already sighted some sort of mistake before us, because they are the ones searching for mistakes and errors--it's their job.
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4EverLoveAmbassador 1 year ago
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Now, this is how I know that they did not come to their conclusion because the necessity of their religious belief demands them to. It is simply "based on good reason and evidence."(p.93)
Do you have any other problems(or questions) with the book?
Thanks for commenting!
4EverLoveAmbassador 1 year ago
Yog-Sothoth, of course!
Kemonokami 2 years ago
Relativity does not necessarily need a beginning.
hazzer777 2 years ago
1) only 10% of physicists believe in God.
2) there's an interview of Leonard Susskind on youtube where he talks about what most cosmologists think about the origin of the universe. He never mentions gods.
God is just ONE idea to explain the universe. We may find out that in fact that the universe has a much more complicated cause. For instance it might be infinite. There might be an infinite number of universes. Some could support the emergence while most couldn't.
Battery9876 2 years ago
Why would there have to be only one universe after all?
The problem with your idea of god is that you invent something that we have no proof of. We KNOW that at least one universe exist, so what is the highest probability, that other universe exists, or that something with extraordinary characteristic, of which we have zero proof exists?
The idea of god really seems too easy and convenient for me.
Battery9876 2 years ago
No proof of? So we rely solely on faith?
You probably know what I'm going to say next.. Take a look at Turek and Geisler's book!
We can't know God from senses like touch, smell, hearing, and looking. Just like a building. When you see a skyscraper which has art, order, and design, you know that there was a builder, correct? You cannot touch, smell, taste, or hear the builder but you know there was one. Doesn't this earth have art, order, and design too?
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4EverLoveAmbassador 2 years ago
And battery, please forgive me if you feel like I've been pressing this book into you. I just think it is the best explaining book to describe Christianity in whole.
If you would read it at all, I would ask you to read it with a will to look at evidence. Without such a will, your mind remains closed and nothing can surpass it.
Thanks!
4EverLoveAmbassador 2 years ago
An Atheist once watched my video that had a piece of info that said that the Bible was the best selling book in the world, and he said something like, popularity has nothing to do with fact. A well-known lie is as great as a low one.
Almost all of these physicists and cosmologists grew up into evolution and what they have taught in public schools. I don't know if that 10% is true, but if it was, I wouldn't be surprised!
4EverLoveAmbassador 2 years ago
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Yes, you are right, God is just one idea but so is Susskind's. What we need to find is evidence supporting each one. Turek and Geisler's 'I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST' does just that.
I think it would be unlikely for an infinite number of universes, but if there were wouldn't they need a cause too? After all, a universe cannot come from nothing!
4EverLoveAmbassador 2 years ago
Your religion is a myth. And there is probably no god. People just don't want to face the reality as it is..
We will know relatively soo with the new LHC if more dimensions exists, if the string theory is likely to be correct etc.. Susskind is a very smart guy don't underestimate him and the other cosmologists.
Battery9876 2 years ago
And one last remark, on the contrary, there probably IS a God. People just don't want to face the reality as it is..
'There are none who are as deaf as those who do not want to hear' -Barry Leventhal
4EverLoveAmbassador 2 years ago
are you Agnostic
"4EverLoveAmbassador"
???
leeperryismerry 2 years ago
Agnostic to what 'leeperryismerry'?
Are YOU an Agnostic?
(Kudos for your username :] I have no clue what it means but sounds very interesting!)
4EverLoveAmbassador 2 years ago
No I am not agnostic I am a Christian so I have faith that God is real
Are you agnostic to there being a God?
and my name is about a Jamaican, Singer/Producer
he's a mad head and a legend
leeperryismerry 2 years ago
You are grossly misinformed and undereducated.
Please, get some help, before you become more of a burden to society than you already appear to be.
danillum 2 years ago
Did you even look at the whole video? The description? Or are you just exclaiming this to the world to lower Christians confidence and bash Christianity?
We could definately say the same for you! Since Atheism basically has no moral standard, then we should expect destruction! We should expect stealing, cursing, and lying. Are we still burdening to society?
(Don't get me wrong, there can be and are some Atheist's who are not like this)
4EverLoveAmbassador 2 years ago
Why rule out the universe being eternal? You just kinda skimmed over it without any reason.
IAmTheScum13 2 years ago
Yes sorry, it was pretty vague.
If you would read all the way to this point in the book it would be understandable, but from a short video clip about it, you may miss the point.
So, they stated that the universe being eternal was not actual because of all the scientific and philosophical evidence. Some of what they stated was SURGE standing for S--The Second Law of Thermodynamics('..the Second Law states, among other things, that the universe is running out of usable energy..')
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4EverLoveAmbassador 2 years ago
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U--The Universe Is Expanding('How does the expanding universe prove a beginning?...if we could watch a video recording of the history of the universe, in reverse, we would see all matter in the universe collapse back...mathematically and logically to a point that is actually nothing')
R--Radiation from the Big Bang(Penzias and Wilson 'discovered the afterglow form the Big Bang fireball explosion')
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4EverLoveAmbassador 2 years ago
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G--Great Galaxy Seeds(If the Big Bang actually occurred, scientists believed that we should see slight variations [or ripples] in the temperature of the cosmic background radiation. COBE not only found the ripples, but scientists were amazed at their precision. The ripples show that the explosion and expansion of the universe was precisely tweaked to cause just enough matter to congregate to allow galaxy formation,
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4EverLoveAmbassador 2 years ago
The question "Who made God" is extremly stupid.God by definiton is eternal.Nobody MADE God because he wouldn't be God at all.You're a victim of the infinite regression!
Valandil00 2 years ago
You're right!
Though, Atheist's keep pushing this question to be answered, and what would we be if we didn't answer them?
Btw, I love how you have both sides of subscriptions on your channel. You have both VenomFangX and TheAmazingAtheist. Just wanted to point that out!
Thanks for the comment!
4EverLoveAmbassador 2 years ago
Thanks.I enjoy watching both of them.Venomfangx for the things he says and T.J. for the entertainment value :D
Valandil00 2 years ago
lol!
:P
4EverLoveAmbassador 2 years ago
I love how TAA alos talks about different subjects like politics,economy etc!
Valandil00 2 years ago