There is no Palestine, there never was a nation called Palestine, it's a big fat Arab lie, the Arabs attacked Israel, they lost, boo fucking hoo for them.
@sabena08 Not quite. Israel is a majority Jewish state. There is a sizeable non-Jewish minority within Israel proper (pre-1967 boundaries). There is an Arab majority in the West Bank and in the Gaza Strip. Those are the facts.
Israel pursues the concept of a Jewish state. So far so good. If it goes about being ONLY a Jewish state, this is obviously creating problems because it simply doesn't reflect the facts - both historically nor currently.
1. It seems to me, that all, and I mean ALL newspaper websites are posting articles criticizing the Israeli expansion! and all over the world, concerns about the west bank and the gaza strip are higher than ever before!Hiphip hooray! It's time the Jews faced what they deserve for their crimes, the bad ones at least.
2.South Africa has sued a former Israeli minister for starting a criminous war on the arabs. but this was turned down!!! This is a real joke!
It surely is sad that after thousands of years of living together on the same planet that we must assert our rights in order to have them. Don't give up Palestine! Assert your rights!
I surely is sad that after thousands of years of living together on the same planet that we must assert our rights in order to have them. Don't give up Palestine! Assert your rights!
Here we go again the only democrat country in the M.East showing it´s UGLY face to the entire world + they didn´t find a partner for peace in the whole region . &
(Israel is a democratic and law abiding country that carefully observes international law ) !!!OMG i´m getting sick seriously !!!
almost comical they cant do a favor for the country that they rely on to stop iran. after that shit with biden last month we would be fukn chumps to lift a finger. i dont get it. Israeli Government wouldnt do well in a game of chess
This is the land they tell obama to fuck off over?? i think republicans are right when they say we should keep our $3,000,000,000 in yearly aid. opinion in this country changes quick lately
@nevaslept 3 billion that is given to Israel, could go towards expanding health care, to more people in the US. Mass transit projects in the US. The US would loose alot of hate, and resentment worldwide.
@Aten Thunderbutt lets say in 50-100 years when sweden will be country with one child in every 4 families ,maybe Russians will decide increase influence over the yore country ??i mean it is possible if you look the economic and demographic movements at this point
@Aten Thunderbutt:mate are you stupid or just playing ' lets undermine dirty palestinians ,and rest we gonna turn to slaves'' table game?i think it is the same thing in yore case tho Oo
erm definition of the ''legal nation'' is?
is there some ilegal nation??or palestinians should have woted to stop israeli expansion?i mean u can wote against israeli war machine?
Its pathetic to hear arabs complain. The only working and legal nation in the middle east is Israel with a working economy, working schools and education system. They have all right to increase their influence the the area. Palestinians have 2 choices, coexist with israel under democratic israeli forms or claim land from nations like jordan They will never do that because tradition tell them that jews are the enemies.
"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they, the Palestinians defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion First Prime Minister of Israel (1938 Speech).
we, the people from europe and usa, understand more and more what is going on in the middle east, despite all the professional work of disinformation from israel government and their lobby.
israel occupies palestinian land, illegally, condemned by UN resolutions. but israel doesn't matter about UN resolutions. Not israel. so what can those occupied do more than claim their rights at the UN? and what can they do if israel doesn't care of their legal actions??
The West Bank including Jerusalem is Israeli territories. The arab's should thank the Israeli citizens for not kicking them off, what is the land that belongs to the Jewish State. For the arab's that might not remember, you lost that land when you attacked Israel in the '67 war. So stop whinning and live with it!!
and its getting a bit boring when Jews portray themselves as victims all the time, America has given them so much military and economic aid. The U.S has helped their offshore Israeli colony with billions of annual grants and aid.
Israel Always whining and complaining, Like woman.
your prophet called for the muslims to draw the sword and win over lands for Allah, Your whole history is full with blood and war, The biggest problem for germany are, the ever growing crowds of uneducated masses of muslims, who are lazy as well, and think of praying only, the hypocrites, they dont bring any money for investment, they dont like to speak the language, and they plan terror acts,
there is a islamic push towards the west, a rapid rise of muslim immigrant influx, (what do they want in the satanic and evil west, with all the infidels, i wonder?) they establish clandestine operations, all over the european continent, Not a week passes when islamic terror groups are being uncovered and brought before a judge, Yes you have your bases all over the world, but u operate differently, you disguise ur self as peace loving and all you want is to attack our foundations evidently,
if america would fall its gonna be becuase of these fake europeans jews.they will bring america down like they did all the nations that welcomed them.
GOOD FOR HIM !!!! gets away from the wife and kids too ha!!! how fukin ugly is that concrete jungle on the hill one day israel will jus become one big concrete block
muslims think, they can turn europe into some kind of Allah Land, well, Israel is gonna turn iran and others into Moses land, an eye for an eye, its what the muslims want, and we re gonna give it to them,
well, islamists want to conquer europe, so Israel can conquer them in the middle east, they are within their right, to do as they see fit, muslims are saying, only muslims deserve compassion, so Israel is saying the same, Insh Allah, understand me muslims round the world?
Its so amazing how you keep saying that Muslim wants to rule the west.
While westren countries like America spreading her military bases through out the Arab world and invade an innocent country like Iraq to steal her oil.
while At the same time Israel buliding Jewish-only illegal settlement on the west bank.
is there a Muslim Military base on any westren country?
is there any Muslim illegal settlement on any westren country?
Kite 208....I could not say it better than you did. But I will try to add...... The western countries have been the aggressors ever since oil was discovered. Before that the US didn't give a damn about Muslims. The US and Israel have been the aggressors since day one. This is why they want to put so many bases and settlements in Palestine, to be closer to the oil and to eliminate the Palestinans who get in their way.
@lookslikerain2000 Explain that to Mashiach "Messiah" when he will show up, what will you tell G-D? Jews are his children & Israel is his kingdom, he only chose ONE NATION. IF you have a problem with that then you have a problem with G-D.
@lookslikerain2000 Holy Land should be regarded as a Land that should belong to righteous people... In this case - Zionists, and many Jews with them, are not righteous if they steal land and expel Palestinians out of Palestine...
I'm an American Jew. This is unacceptable human behavior. Every Jew of conscience in the world must stand up against the murderous and outrageous atrocities being perpetrated in our names by Israel. Thank G/d, more and more Jews are taking off the blinders and standing up for human decency. G/d bless the Palestinian people.
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stupid woman, i¡m not a jew, and i can see, taht youre one o those, self hating jews, can't you see, this, is not about, israel or anything else, it's about, hate towart the jews, bitch think about, a realiza that, the arabs just want to fuck you, you're like one of those judenrat of the nazis time,
As you say my friend "Yes Jews have always lived in Jerusalem",BUT The Zionist WHITE European Jews have always been people from there living nation, but when , people from the hood recognize, that holocaust many of them are bringing back, began conflict,
Al lah also don't believe in God and JEWS REJECT THE IDEA OF JESUS
Because he had claimed divinity. And you call him prophet
Palestinians ,that lives in Gaza, or in west bank , is not trying to get the land back .
They perfect know, who this land belong to , Palestine and west bank belong to Jews ,they use to live there 2000 years ago, and until today there was living many.
Question to you, who had killed Jesus, Arabs or Jews .Where he was killed in Europe or Palestine (Jerusalem) that we call Israel today.
Palestinian Muslims, they can lie to the world ,but not to their selfs.
and you know your rabbi hirsh, 50% of israelis support his point of view. looks like there are extremists on the other side of the wall too. maybe the palestinians can have a full functioning country when israel STOPS its settlements and occuption of the territories. settlements that divde up the west bank into patchwork of isolated villages and towns
occupation will stop when the israelis can feel safe and there are no more dead jews and/or intifadas settllements will most likely never stop, or at least as long as the west bank is occupied, and its wrong to believe that the goverment organizes them no matter what israel has to defend its citizens otherwise its no longer israel and a jewish refuge
the funny thing is my friend, that Hamas and the PLO are a direct result of the occupation. once the occupation ends and israel withdraws to its 67 borders these organization will cease to exist b/c they wont have any more legitamcy. but there is no point in arguing at least we somewhat argue that a palestinian state should exist and the palestinian refugees have a right to return. i just hope the fucked up politicans on both sides will one day seriously put some effort into ending this
they do put effort but unlike us they have interests to guard as well as having to deal with the whole scope of the problem, as for Hamas and the PLO, well i dont know much about hamas history but the PLO was in fact formed before the Six Day War cant remember who the original leader is of the top of my head but there you go also it is somewhat naive to expect that radical organizations such hamas and the PLO would have any problem finding new legitimacy those peoples agenda is "Death to Israel"
or you ever heard of Rabbi Kook who preaches that settlements is a process of purifying the land of israel transferring the land from satanic spheres to divine spheres. nonetheless, what would've have you done if in 1947 if someone came to your country and said it would be called israel?
wats wrong with calling it israel? besides u could either go to the new palestine that was also created (but no they decided they werent happy with breathing jews and decided to finish off hitlers work) or you could stay a jewish state means a home for the jews not death to the arabs
whats wrong with israel is that a country was created within another already existing nation without the consent of those living there. no i am not arguing here for the destruction of israel or anything. i am arguing for a simple cause, the right of the palestinians to right to their home. this is their inalienable right. if you dont believe in that my friend then i dont know what common ground we have. you are going aganist the same international law the created your country.
did i say i was against their right to return? i just said that i believe a palestenian state needs to exists but once the palestenians show that they can build their own country, especially with a peace with israel, israel has to much to lose so they are more protective if however the Palestinians can rebuild and build their towns and economy the creation of Palestine will be immediate and inevitable, also the only independent state that ever existed there have jewish states no palestineor arab
the palestinian state already exists, the only thing it lacks is ironically international recognitions. and the palis are building their own country, look at the hospitals or schools they are trying to build. but what happens every few months or every year a military assault occurs the destroys entire towns and villages. look at whats happenin at gaza.
thats part of the reason why i kept saying peacefully those assaults wouldn't happen if the Israelis didn't have a reason also a hospital is not a hospital and a school is not a school u can point at any building and call it a school that doesn't mean its fit for children, did you know in one raid of a "School" that a math book had a problem (and i may have the numbers wrong) "there are 7 Palestinian children, an Israeli soldier rapes 4 and shoots 2 how many children are left"
ael to a half arab and half jewish population. And the settlements once again, they violate international law. Israel broke 300 settlements, it has conficated and destroyed more tahn 20, 000 homes and one home houses more than family family. Thats what it has done to build these settlements and it breaks its promises. And you ever heard of Rabbi Hirsch. "The Jewish people are charged by Divine oath not to force themselves back to the Holy Land against the wishes of those residing there."
as for rabbi hirsch "if u put 2 jews in a room you will get 3 opinions" and israel has a right to be worried about those demographics if that demographic has been notoriously hostile and destructive, the majority of Palestinians see the PLO as a representative body for themselves despite PLO brutality including the selective shootings of jewish school children, who wouldnt be apprehensive
but do you know what i think the real solution is my friend. this. implement resolution 181 by allowing the palis to return, which the israeli govt blocked several times. implement res 242, israel returns to its 67 borders. international recongition given to palestine and again i am tellin you palestine is given as a primary example b.c its is a working country without international recognition. and then Israeli recognition granted by Arab countries. There problem solved but there are extremist
i agree that eventually an arab palestine will have to come into being but i believe that that can only happen once the palestenians have proven themselves ready and willing to build their own country peacefully and industriously
if u say UN one more time im gonna scream theres obviously a discrepancy of information so all this is gonna end up giving me a headache although i will say its childish and incorrect to pin to blame solely on Israel in the world every1 is blameless for an abyss of reasons even the UN but i remain convinced that the solution remains with the Palestinians who can build their own country instead of languishing in their camps its not like darfur there
over land that never built to it. And Ps buddy i saw all your comebacks coming from a mile away and I cant possibly to the entire conflict over 500 character when historians take 500 pages to fully analyse. I recommend yyou to go get a book and read it to open your mind and get true insight into the conflict instead of listening to CNN.
And Egypt and Jordan were in the west bank and Gaza, they weren't occupying it. You are OCCUPYING it. They werent tearing down houses or kicking palis out of there house or arresting ppl. The palis would anyday prefer to live under those govts then yours. Here is a simple question that I pose to any patriot in the world. IF IN 1948, SOMEONE CAME TO YOUR COUNTRY AND SAID ITS GOIN TO BE CALLED ISRAEL WHAT WOULD'VE YOU DONE?! Huh, the response is very obvious. Churchil had no right over the Arab
Israel, you know who gave me that idea Ben Gurion in 1949 when he said that we must do everything in our power to deny the arabs the right to return. And this is evident by the Law of Return that allows any jewish person to enter israel due to his RELIGON. This is a discriminatory right and does not allow the palis to return. I accept taht the Arabs armies lost ground i never argued with that, I said that Refugees should NOT suffer since they are innocent and should have the right to return.
one problem is that they cant tell whos a civilian whos a terrorist which one of the reason y the whole region is on a basic lockdown for 40 years its one of the more complicated issues as for citizenship any1 can apply for citizenship under the standard means a jew applying however goes on an express track so to speak its not discriminatory per se (it does single out the arabs is what i mean) but its there because israel is the dream of return to the land of our ancestors once again
human rights organizations had condemned the law of return as discramintory. Refugees arent allowed to return because of their religion and ethnicity (and i am including arab christians here). This breaks the Geneva convention Articles and Resolution 181 that demands the unconditional right of return of the Palis. You know why Ben Gurion and the Israeli govt wont allow them to return think about it? Your perfect Jewish state would be ruined. It would alter the demographic jewish presence in Isr
again my friend, if anything condemns israel it has to be antisemtic or biased. Israel needs to accept the palestinians back b/c they were the original inhabitants and have every right to return. And are you sure the palestinians are hostile? did you ever look into what happened after the 49 war and continual israeli incursions into palestinian terroritory that resulted in the birth of teh PLO as a resistance organization.
did u look before 1948? Jews have been killed by mobs in palestine for over 1000 years without reprisals with the kotel used as a garbage dump you are being far too eager to point fingers at israel and say that they are the only ones to blame
So your tellin me that Arabs are the traditional prosecutors of Jews. The Arabs never prosecuted the Jews, during the 30s the Jews migrated to Palestine b/c it was a safe heaven for them. It was the WEST that prosecuted you for thousands of years.
arabs have persecuted the jews for 1500 years, western civilzations for 2500 years and so on and so forth theres no lack of "traditional persecutors" but a persecutor is a persecutor no matter how long and there is no lack of them ive been beaten up by a crowd of arabs after yom kippur and shot at (the bugger missed thank god) by a white skinhead there is no lack of people ready and willing to exterminate israel no wonder they are jumpy
This statement makes no sense whatsoever. Since when have Arabs persecuted the West?
HEBREW Jews belong in Palestine not European Jews, they already had a home in Europe, so why start a racist, nazi like belief called Zionism that Palestinian Jews REJECT! And trust me i ttakes something bad, RLY BAD, for anyone to get beaten up by an Arab crowd. They probably called themselves Arabs to develop ur hate for Arabs.
And Jews have been living PEACEFULLY in Palestine and the ARAB world for centuries
in all of my political science lectures, the palestinian state is given as a prime example. THe palestinians have a population, have a territory (even though they lost over 80 percent of their ancestral homeland), they have a working govt (recently until the split with Hamas), a constitution but the world denies them recognition. Thats why there is no state. And the ironic thing is, the same resolution that created Israel Res 182 created an Arab state too simultaneously.
the arab state and its allies invaded they lost and jordan and egypt sent in their soldiers to occupy what was left of what was supposed to be palestine
this was one of many war crimes committed by Israel during the 48 war that was documented by the UN. Three yes 6 countries invaded but did you ever hear of the saying, "the victor writes history". While the arabs outnumbered you in population, look at CIA records. The arab armies were 30, 000 ill trained troops. They still had regiments with horses and the Jewish militias numbered 90 000 with European weapons from Czechslovakia. And regarding the palestinians have their own state
2) Second my friend, look at the BBC archives and CIA files that monitored all the boardcasts in the Arab world during the 48 war. The arab govts continually pleaded with the palis to stay and even gave flat orders for civilians to stay put callin them traitors to leave. The fact you brought this up shows me the power and influence of mass media and propaganda on the average joe. The palis left b/c of Dein Yasser you remember that, 500 innocent men, women, and children that were slaughtered.
BBC? sry i didnt read the rest the day the british like israel after the way they were terror bombed by jews and deliver unbiased information will the day pigs fly and become kosher
second my friend, this is so typical when any piece of information cuase aganist you it has to be biased and anti-semitic. and if there is a piece of information aganist arabs and muslim its 100 perecent right, accurate, and unbiased. wow, com'n man i know ur smarter than that.
ur right i do have a way of seeking out biases but im far from willing to c something thats anti arab or muslim as accurate didnt i just slander in a way the settlers who are a racist bunch and most certainly on occasion behave as thugs? but like or not they are still apart of my people but if i had to choose between a racist jew and a civilian muslim i would chose the muslim
most of those settlers and certainly the ones u hear about are ultra orthodox radicals who settle there just to make the situation more complicated and to be a pain in the ass
I agree most of these settlers are a pain in the ass but it is the Israeli govt that helps them and supports them by building their settlements and protecting it. Why do they have to build when they had so much room in the boundaries given to israel already! And I say the UN bc we all know that the UN is unbiased since its a world governing body. I dont think there is a discrepancy of information, i just think we are on different levels.
UN was made a political and diplomatic body and a judicial one its the difference between a congress and a court and israel has to protect those settlersbecasuse like any sovereign state it has to protect its citizen and it would do the same for its arab or muslim citizens
and here is something from the horses mouth for you. "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader, I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country." Ben Gurion. Before [the Palestinians] very eyes we are possessing the land and the villages where they, and their ancestors, have lived...We are the generation of colonizers, and without the steel helmet and the gun barrel we cannot plant a tree and build a home. Israeli leader Moshe Dayan,
pssh that was moshe Dayan for one what did u expect and Gurion was probably talking about Israels victories in what was supposed to be palestine in 1948 and then '62 he was against occupation if that means anything to you but can u guess what country truly destroyed palestine after 48? Jordan and Egypt if i recall directly they were the ones occupying gaza and the West Bank after 48 incidentally did you know Jordan was supposed to be part of Israel to until Churchill signed it away
LOL my friend your completely lost! First look at the UNWR reports of the Arab country's efforts to accomadate pali refugees. THe report stated that Arab countries did attempt genuine efforts to accomdate them but couldn't really accomplish much b/c of the social and economic upheavel that they were goin through. How could a country like syria help the palis when it went through 17 coup d'etats. you cant put a community in crisis in another community is in crisis also.
The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.
Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949
The Zionists Make A Big Call On Being The Only Democracy In The Mideast, Its Such A Pity That This Democracy Has No Regard For The Human Rights Of Others.
The holocost was terrible and we said never again. Now Israel acts like it Nazi Germany with Hitlers policy of Lebinstram. (I most likely spelled that wrong.) They claim the right to Palistinian land with the same manner that Hitler used old Nordic tales to justify claims over Northern Europe. Myths and Lengends do not trump international law, especially laws reinforced after the Jewish experiance in Nazi Germany. This is what really hurts for Humanists like myself.
Wat really hurts a jew like myself is accusations of false promises that were not followed through after it became obvious that the Palestinians werent about 2 uphold theyre end of the bargain and after what happened in gaza i doubt israel is feeling to confident about what will happen after it pulls out at least in the interest of the palestenians they arnt killing each other right now israeli conquered that land in the 6 day war from those who wanted to run the jews into the sea
Today, CNN reports that British Prime Minister stated Israeli settlements must stop immediately.
Too bad. Now we will probably have to break off diplomatic relations with Great Britain. Doesn't Brown understand US Foreign Policy has one, and only one, mantra? "As long as Israel is safe..." has been our guiding principle since 1948. Iraq? "As long as Israel is safe." Beirute? "As long as Israel is safe." Veto votes at the U.N.? "As long as Israel is safe." Too bad, I'm going to miss England.
We invaded iraq under our own poor intiative its about time we stopped scapegoating the jews .... again, face mistakes + after all britian has done 2 the jews does it really think it has any right WTF DONT U PPL GET IT AFTER 2000 YEARS WE FINNALY HAVE OUR OWN COUNTRY HELL IF THOSE "POOR PALESTENIANS" WERENT SO DAMN AGGRESSIVE SINCE DAY 1 AND JUST LET ISRAEL B WE WOULDNT HAVE THIS PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE BUT NOOOOO LETS 4GET THEY WANTED 2 KILL ALL THE JEWS AND C THEM AS THE POOR VICTIMS NOW!!!
Are you kidding? You really think, "AFTER 2000 YEARS WE FINNALY HAVE OUR OWN COUNTRY HELL IF THOSE "POOR PALESTENIANS" WERENT SO DAMN AGGRESSIVE" is accurate? Do you admit WE put "your own country" in their living rooms, and maybe that is why they have been so 'aggressive' since Day 1? Let's put a new nation in the middle of "yours" and see how it goes. But wait, we have to give them $3Billion every Oct 1 for arms and settlements, too... "As long as Israel is safe..."
u kidding me? u think they were aggresive only after 1948? o sure the reason y at Jafa they killed hundreds of jews in 1928 was because israel in 1948? o wow that makes alot of sense
my friend the simple reality is that nearly a million ppl were chased out during the 48 war due to the campaign of terror and killing of jewish militias.I know all your comebacks already b/c i have talked to ppl like you and historians have dealt with all your claims.The simple fact is that international law is supreme,and your country is breaking resolution 181 by denying the palis the right to return and res 242-stoppin settlelments.and for the record israel has over 400 resolutions aganist it
the truth is that your a fool to believe international law is supreme when the U.N. cant even stop genocide in Darfur dont get me wrong the UN is all very well when sending humanitarian aid or helping to rebuild villages but these things arnt its forte and for the record i wouldnt put much stock in those U.N. resolutions in a council that either hates israel or has an economic dependency on those countries and as long as no one will help prevent the death of jews every action by israel is legit
As a humanist, I will never stop believing in justice and will continue to use my voice to defend ppl who suffer injustice. And for the record, the UN resolutions always end up getting vetoed by the US, which supports your country buddy. every action is legit eh, i guess thats what hitler said too when he committed the holocaust. use a brain the palis have been suffereing for the past 60 years due to Israel's action.
few words no problems with a humanist but think! Israel is not going to change as long as its survival is in constant danger its going to do what it needs to survive and thats perfectly understandable after the treatment it and its people have recieved but its not as if Israel is only to blame your precious UN had a study done (it should still be in some archives) that Israel as a country has provided the most aid in material and manpower to palestenians refugees where as Syria has reeked the
build their own country and prove to Israel and the world (UN watever) that they can run their own country then there will in all likelyhood less opposition and they can finally get what they want through their own hard work u reap what u sow if the jews could do it with 6 countries invading in 1948 whats stopping that palestenians?
most havoc on the camps with Jordan right behind it. It was the Arabs countries sorrunding Israel that in the beginning called for those people to leave their homes and then denied them when their bid to finish hitlers work failed yes some were forced from their homes but most left under a false dream of a world without jews (just like hitler while we are drawing parallels) (which both of ours are false) the solution is with the palestenians that if they can get off their rear ends and start to
i dont think youll like it if someone came to your country and said were going to make a new coountry called israel for the jews......i dont think anyone would say ok ill leave my land that ive been living in all my life so the jews can have a state....oh and btw the palestinians allowed the jews to live in palestine they never fought until the zionist gruop was formed
ur right they never fought the jews they slaughtered the jews no ones ever happy about having jews anywhere only right that they should finally get their own back and if they dont like get used to it the palestenians were the ones who forced the british to close immigration to death camp survivors they are hardly guiltless
am an israeli and all i can say is that we as israelis need to be ASHAMED! The settlements need to go!!! How dare we build on land that DOES NOT BELONG TO US? We have NO RIGHT do be building structures on palestinian land. As much as I am pro-israeli, I am also pro-palestinian.
I am an israel and all i can say is that we need to be ASHAMED! The settlements need to go!!! How dare we build on land that DOES NOT BELONG TO US? We have NO RIGHT do be building structures on palestinian land. As much as I am pro-israel, I am also pro-palestian.
THEY PRETEND TO BE THE VICTIM? are you insane, hitler did kill thousands of Jews, and you think they are pretending to be the victim, Go back to school and learn about the history of the jews! i carnt believe that you said that, you must realy hate them,
viking .. I have nothing against Jews .. Zionists to me are the scum of the earth! Not all Jews are Zionists & not all Zionists are Jews... look no further that the pretend Jews called AshkeNAZI's!
One has to put this into perspective .. Israel is HEAVILY ARMED by American tanks, guns, bombs & aircraft.. Palesine has non of those things. Israel is HEAVILY FUNDED & SUPPORTED by America & many many multi billion dollar companies.
As to your quote.. it is by a Zionist! Try some quotes from NGO's, Politicians, Red Cross, Oxfam & so on..independant & neutral organisations going only where NEEDED serving those who are in NEED. How many illegal settlers live in refugee camps? Homes bulldozed?
I don't talk why HAMAS cannot archive military advantage today. It just a fact - they cannot. So why HAMAS put own people on line fire if it cannot defend them? Why HAMAS fight IDF in heavy populated Gaza where it cannot defend own civilians? At least why they fire damn rockets and pravoke IDF retaliation.
AGAIN:
The only reason - to fuel media campaign that you part of. Essentially trading blood of own people for propaganda. Very much Islamic way. Alah-Acbar
It's ALLAHU AKBAR, if you're going to state it, do so correctly!
You're the one who's the victim of a media campaign and Zionist movement to bilk the American public. Educate yourself. You say you've taken history courses. Obviously not in Middle Eastern history nor Colonialism.
I spell word from one foreign language using another foreign language. You don't read/feel sarcasm do you? At that particular context if I would be you I prefer Alah-Acbar to be misspelled.
Any one of my friends will tell you I am quite good at sarcasm. All you did was show your idiocy. It is transliterated from Arabic to Roman letters as Allahu Akbar. It is what we say in Arabic as we pray. It is not something we're sarcastic about. It means GOD IS GREAT. Which he is. And he will sort out your kind at the Day of Judgment. How you can condone obliteration of an entire group of people is horrendous.
FYI Roman letters (Latin alphabet) sound different in different languages. So I use spelling 'Alah-Acbar' that I believe was the closest match to what I used hear many times :).
Pls:
Don't impose your G-d on me neither or talk about his judgement on me. I have own G-d for this. Keep your believes private.
Looks like you losing your 'open minds' when it comes to spelling.
Don't think you have the right to tell me what to do bud. I'll talk about my faith as much as I wish. You are right about the spelling issue, I often forget some transliterate that way. I didn't judge you. That is God's to do, not me.
It's interesting how you twist the issue - typical trick of you Zionist supporters.
The issue is this mans land being STOLEN by illegal occupation and building by the Zionist gov't of Israel. Reminder: Zionist does not equal Jew. They come of all, and no, faith.
I stay away from you guys (Jews, Muslim, Christian). You hijack G-d name and committing crimes in his name. While I respect your G-d. I have little respect for you. In Torah, Gospel, Quaran we can find excuse for anything killing, healing, devastation & hate. It is just a question what are YOU looking for. It is not Zionist twist. It is just one more view point that you miss. Looks like your world split between Zionist and Islam.
I don't care about land. HAMAS using own people misery to fuel media campaign and YOU part of it. AGAIN:
HAMAS has no military gain from firing rockets. It just trigger IDF retaliation and civilian casualties since HAMAS take stand in populas areas (As you said guerilla tactics).
IDF using relatively mild military tactics to preserve Palestinian. I have something to compare with. Isn't that crazy?
Honestly: Do you see your kid throw stones at IDF, wearing suicide vest, dieing for land?
If our homes are being taken DAMNED RIGHT I'd be there throwing whatever I could at the INVADERS and ILLEGAL OCCUPIERS! My kids are grown. I know they'd be there beside me. So would you do the same if someone came to take your home or land!
Suicide is AGAINST ISLAMIC TEACHINGS! It's immediate hell.
MILD????? IDF Preserves Palestine???? You're just blind now.
HAMAS is the legally elected government of Palestine. Period. Their military gain is taking out whatever they can in retaliation for all of their homes and land taken from them ILLEGALLY. EVERY settlement of Jews on their land is ILLEGAL. It makes the soldiers think twice before stepping across the line into PALESTINE.
Zionist murders, bullies, child killers - every one of them!
I am not questioning HAMAS legitimacy even I was horrified when it was elected. Because I see the damage it does to own people. It is a war, once HAMAS fires rocket it responsible for circumstances. In Yom Kippur War Syria and Egypt called ceasefire once their capitals were in striking range from IDF. They HAD ENOUGH POWER to demolish IDF, but they want avoid civilian losses. Looks at guerilla heroes Chechens. They even worse than HAMAS.
Chechen heroes twice took stand in Grozny. Russians didn't bother with reduced charges like IDF. They used carpet bombing, mid range missiles and artillery. There was no reliable numbers for casualties, because nobody was left to collect corpses. Estimates are that before second 2 month siege 20000 were left in town. Russians surround town with mine fields so few could escape. IDF often sends warning before attack, Russians didn't. Trust me IDF using very mild force. Chk Grozny images.
lol i think u should research about the ex-israeli soldiers called "breaking the silence"...i think what they say is alot more credible than what u say...and they say the complete opposite of what u say...read the book by Tanya Reinhart (shes an israeli woman) and she states that the israeli treatment is worse than the apartheid regime from south africa...man ur blind
Why has there been so many UN actions against Israel, because Desmond Tutu says Israel is even more oppressive than Burma; Many consider your regime worse than South African apartheid; Because you use nerve gas against Palestine children (documented in the film the Gaza strip).
Even many Israeli army refuse to work in occupied lands claiming "We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people."
Who is Desmond Tutu. May be he didn't travel to Africa. and doesn't know Darfur, Rwanda Chad etc. This is the place where people really suffer and die in numbers. Palestine is nothing compare to Africa. But we concentrate on bad Jews killing few Arabs rather that several 100-1000 diyng every day. Who cares about Arabs killing Black.
You know why? Becuase all spin doctors enjoy safety of Israel while reporting IDF 'crimes'. Once they about to talk about NAMAS they are kidnapped or killed.
The countries you have stated are civil wars of tribes fighting for different reasons. Palestine is being illegally occupied, is being funded by America, as well as multi billion dollar companies .. there is a huge difference! BTW .. Arabs killing black? In Darfur they are ALL Muslims, & their conflict has nothing to do with 'race' or colour, they are all of Arab descent even though they are black .. look into the history of it!
I am not sure why civil war is good reason for killing while Israel defending itself against Palestinian attacks is bad reason. IF you justify Palestinian attacks so give Israel right to defend itself.
Israel isn't defending itself against the Palestinians & any educated person would know that.. only a small amount of research would reaveal the lies in your comment. Watch my video talk by Rabbi Goldstein.
Sorry man. What they do conduct anti-terror operation on enemy territory. Callateral damage well bellow average. Especially geven high density areas of Gaza. Compare to Russians in Checnya or US in Iraq.
Sources and references for all you say please .. I keep asking.. or perhaps its just your own oppinion you are siting here? In wich case it pails into insignificance alongside the many references & sources I have provided.
Desmond Mpilo Tutu is a South African cleric and activist who rose to worldwide fame during the 1980s as an opponent of apartheid.Tutu was elected and ordained the first black South African Anglican Archbishop of Cape Town, South Africa, and primate of the Church of the Province of Southern Africa (now the Anglican Church of Southern Africa). He received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1984, the Albert Schweitzer Prize for Humanitarianism, and the Magubela prize for liberty in 1986.
Hi iadiedee, you didn't find sarcasm in my post about Tutu? I was part of march to support him at some point back in 1980's. Given all his Africa legacy how can he compare African suffering to PA? Old man lost in his own words... Killing in Darfur, Rwanda over 1,5000,000 and Self inflicted casualties on scale of 1000's in PA (second intefada).
In Rwanda it was genocide. In PA Palestinians fighter using own towns to provoke IDF attacks. Do you see the difference?
You stated perhaps Tutu hadn't traveled to Africa. My reply was that he IS African so he knows his continent quite well! More than an American that both of us are. Provoke IDF? You've lost your mind! Chart showing that 3 to 4 times more Palestinians have been killed than Israelis. 1,053 Israelis and at least 4,789 Palestinians have been killed and 6,845 Israelis and 32,569 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000. ifamericansknew . org/index . html
Here's more 0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 18,147 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967. Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.Chart showing that Israel is holding over 8000 Palestinians prisoner. 1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 10,756 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel. ...
Israel currently has 223 Jewish-only settlements and 'outposts' built on confiscated Palestinian land. Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land.
119 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 982 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.ONE is too many!
Show me ONE photo of Hamas firing from populated areas.You can't!They don't exist!Israel has SAID they exist but hasn't produced ONE photo.BUT you can find hundreds of IDF attrocities.
They fire rockets from orchids and fields. But fighters live, store ammo/explosive, manufacture rockets in populars areas. I didn't see HAMAS bases on a middle of orchids. You know why - because they cannot stay against IDF so they hide among civilians. frankly there is no space for any military installation in Gaza. (chk map :)
Military Installation? They're reduced to gorilla tactics. Do you really think they'd jeopardize their own families by putting these in their homes? Haven't you ever seen underground storage? Used in many campaigns of just such oppressed people. Check a map? Check it yourself.
THIS has everything to do with this farmer. His land is being stolen by ILLEGAL OCCUPIERS and their ILLEGAL expansion of another settlement. See statistics from ifamericansknew . com
What about kids with suiced vest or teen through stones to IDF. Would you let your kid out with such outfit? Would you let your kid out to confront IDF?
AGAIN:
Gold Meir:
..."The war ends when Palestinian will love own kids more than they hate Israeli"...
Exactly they reduced to guerrillas tactic. If you study history/warfare this is exactly the tactics that takes toll on your own civilians. (You used word 'gorilla' gorilla is ape and don't risk own kids).
They fire far away from populated areas so why are IDF firing into populated areas and not where the rockets are coming from? It makes no sense. Of course the Israeli occupation of this entire geographic area makes no sense. It IS just like the way the founders exterminated the native Am Indians in the US.
What is the reason to fight empty rocket launchers that cost nothing (there are just wooden poll). IDF strikes storages, manufacturing facility (read simple metal workshops) and fighters who happen to hide among civilians...
skvtube .. haha Still going hard at it eh? Instead of posting your heresay without any references & souces quoted to back up your heresay .. you should try doing a bit of homework with an open mind .. but most of all you should try getting a life .. a hobby may help! The intelligent readers can read all the comments I made with references, links provided & so on .. its all there in back & white no matter how muc you ramble on to push it all into the background.
There is no Palestine, there never was a nation called Palestine, it's a big fat Arab lie, the Arabs attacked Israel, they lost, boo fucking hoo for them.
nyctreeman 2 weeks ago
I am muslim and I say that arabs are gays
Palestine must be free from not gays
Allahu Akbar
C2H5OHhhh 6 months ago
@C2H5OHhhh Allahu! what kind of muslim are you iv never herd of a muslim praying to Allahu?
USMCSC0UTSniper 4 months ago
@C2H5OHhhh ether you don't speak English this is a stupid attempt at humor!
USMCSC0UTSniper 4 months ago
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@C2H5OHhhh ether you don't speak English this is a stupid attempt at humor!
USMCSC0UTSniper 4 months ago
@sabena08 Not quite. Israel is a majority Jewish state. There is a sizeable non-Jewish minority within Israel proper (pre-1967 boundaries). There is an Arab majority in the West Bank and in the Gaza Strip. Those are the facts.
Israel pursues the concept of a Jewish state. So far so good. If it goes about being ONLY a Jewish state, this is obviously creating problems because it simply doesn't reflect the facts - both historically nor currently.
celloswiss 10 months ago
@sabena08 then stop building on palestine, stay in israel and build on negev or whatever
argonium79 11 months ago
Everybody!! Good News Has Arrived!
1. It seems to me, that all, and I mean ALL newspaper websites are posting articles criticizing the Israeli expansion! and all over the world, concerns about the west bank and the gaza strip are higher than ever before!Hiphip hooray! It's time the Jews faced what they deserve for their crimes, the bad ones at least.
2.South Africa has sued a former Israeli minister for starting a criminous war on the arabs. but this was turned down!!! This is a real joke!
Mrfreeworld1000 1 year ago
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It surely is sad that after thousands of years of living together on the same planet that we must assert our rights in order to have them. Don't give up Palestine! Assert your rights!
vutEwa 1 year ago
I surely is sad that after thousands of years of living together on the same planet that we must assert our rights in order to have them. Don't give up Palestine! Assert your rights!
vutEwa 1 year ago
Here we go again the only democrat country in the M.East showing it´s UGLY face to the entire world + they didn´t find a partner for peace in the whole region . &
(Israel is a democratic and law abiding country that carefully observes international law ) !!!OMG i´m getting sick seriously !!!
abercrombiecgn1 1 year ago
almost comical they cant do a favor for the country that they rely on to stop iran. after that shit with biden last month we would be fukn chumps to lift a finger. i dont get it. Israeli Government wouldnt do well in a game of chess
nevaslept 1 year ago
This is the land they tell obama to fuck off over?? i think republicans are right when they say we should keep our $3,000,000,000 in yearly aid. opinion in this country changes quick lately
nevaslept 1 year ago
@nevaslept 3 billion that is given to Israel, could go towards expanding health care, to more people in the US. Mass transit projects in the US. The US would loose alot of hate, and resentment worldwide.
gmcbuses 1 year ago
He actually lives in a cave??? For real???
HPWHEELS 1 year ago
@Aten Thunderbutt lets say in 50-100 years when sweden will be country with one child in every 4 families ,maybe Russians will decide increase influence over the yore country ??i mean it is possible if you look the economic and demographic movements at this point
brekavac011 1 year ago
@Aten Thunderbutt:mate are you stupid or just playing ' lets undermine dirty palestinians ,and rest we gonna turn to slaves'' table game?i think it is the same thing in yore case tho Oo
erm definition of the ''legal nation'' is?
is there some ilegal nation??or palestinians should have woted to stop israeli expansion?i mean u can wote against israeli war machine?
hahah and following yore thoughts:
brekavac011 1 year ago
Its pathetic to hear arabs complain. The only working and legal nation in the middle east is Israel with a working economy, working schools and education system. They have all right to increase their influence the the area. Palestinians have 2 choices, coexist with israel under democratic israeli forms or claim land from nations like jordan They will never do that because tradition tell them that jews are the enemies.
AtenThunderbutt 1 year ago
@AtenThunderbutt
LOL no they would never do it because they dont want there land stolen by Israel.
chrisdef15 1 year ago
@AtenThunderbutt Israel is occupation. Occupations are ephemeral.
Epifrin 1 year ago
Arabs r happy. They have never voted to stop israeli expansion. So whats the problem?
AtenThunderbutt 1 year ago
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"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they, the Palestinians defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion First Prime Minister of Israel (1938 Speech).
sufiatheart 1 year ago
This tactic of taking land and property from people with the "wrong" race or religion is something Israel learned from Nazi Germany.
Tempus0 1 year ago 2
we, the people from europe and usa, understand more and more what is going on in the middle east, despite all the professional work of disinformation from israel government and their lobby.
israel occupies palestinian land, illegally, condemned by UN resolutions. but israel doesn't matter about UN resolutions. Not israel. so what can those occupied do more than claim their rights at the UN? and what can they do if israel doesn't care of their legal actions??
testhmtest 2 years ago
The West Bank including Jerusalem is Israeli territories. The arab's should thank the Israeli citizens for not kicking them off, what is the land that belongs to the Jewish State. For the arab's that might not remember, you lost that land when you attacked Israel in the '67 war. So stop whinning and live with it!!
eighthof8 2 years ago
All voluntary settlements are LEGAL under international law (Geneva).
Beitar-Illit is a legal settlement, in every sense of the word.
Let's not forget that this land previously belonged to the Ottoman Empire and was conquered by the Allies and given to Britain.
Jordan was always part of the British Mandate of Palestine!
80% of Jordanians are self-proclaimed Palestinians.
Each INDIVIDUAL Arab has rights to their homes and fields, but Palestinians can go to Jordan is they want a state!
JordanIsPalestine 2 years ago
It's so true. Palestinians already have Jordan, which is an Arab-Palestinian country. Oh, and they have Gaza too!
Arab-Palestinians want a 3rd country, and Israel should be the one to give it to them!?
Israel is for the Nation of Israel, who was given the land, as proposed since 1918 after the Turkish Ottoman Empire dissolved.
Jordan is for Palestinians!
mitukats 2 years ago
Leave Palestinians alone!
talah69 2 years ago
stop giving jews money and the expansion will stop asap.
inachu 2 years ago
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and its getting a bit boring when the muslims portray themselves as the victims all the time, Allah has given
them so much oil, They are so rich, They can help their
brothers, Always whining and complaining, Like woman
lunafringe10 2 years ago
and its getting a bit boring when Jews portray themselves as victims all the time, America has given them so much military and economic aid. The U.S has helped their offshore Israeli colony with billions of annual grants and aid.
Israel Always whining and complaining, Like woman.
wnxsilence 1 year ago
As long as muslims turn to terror, the world will turn away from them, you have it in your hands,
lunafringe10 2 years ago
your prophet called for the muslims to draw the sword and win over lands for Allah, Your whole history is full with blood and war, The biggest problem for germany are, the ever growing crowds of uneducated masses of muslims, who are lazy as well, and think of praying only, the hypocrites, they dont bring any money for investment, they dont like to speak the language, and they plan terror acts,
lunafringe10 2 years ago
there is a islamic push towards the west, a rapid rise of muslim immigrant influx, (what do they want in the satanic and evil west, with all the infidels, i wonder?) they establish clandestine operations, all over the european continent, Not a week passes when islamic terror groups are being uncovered and brought before a judge, Yes you have your bases all over the world, but u operate differently, you disguise ur self as peace loving and all you want is to attack our foundations evidently,
lunafringe10 2 years ago
good on him! we all have to unite and stop the fascist jews!
israelis666 2 years ago 3
if america would fall its gonna be becuase of these fake europeans jews.they will bring america down like they did all the nations that welcomed them.
papapharoh 2 years ago
If Jews suppose that God is thier servant then sure they will destroy middle east.
But if God is the Lord we will soon see what Jews will suffer unprecedented humiliation.
History has taught us many things needless to say more.
Now I let all the Jewish bastards on here shiting between their teeth.
innssann 2 years ago
GOOD FOR HIM !!!! gets away from the wife and kids too ha!!! how fukin ugly is that concrete jungle on the hill one day israel will jus become one big concrete block
paulewing81 2 years ago 2
germany supplies nice machinery and gadgeds to Israel, I hope Israel will do a good job with the infidel muslims, who mock us,
lunafringe10 2 years ago
muslims think, they can turn europe into some kind of Allah Land, well, Israel is gonna turn iran and others into Moses land, an eye for an eye, its what the muslims want, and we re gonna give it to them,
lunafringe10 2 years ago
well, islamists want to conquer europe, so Israel can conquer them in the middle east, they are within their right, to do as they see fit, muslims are saying, only muslims deserve compassion, so Israel is saying the same, Insh Allah, understand me muslims round the world?
lunafringe10 2 years ago
Its so amazing how you keep saying that Muslim wants to rule the west.
While westren countries like America spreading her military bases through out the Arab world and invade an innocent country like Iraq to steal her oil.
while At the same time Israel buliding Jewish-only illegal settlement on the west bank.
is there a Muslim Military base on any westren country?
is there any Muslim illegal settlement on any westren country?
Kite208 2 years ago 2
Kite 208....I could not say it better than you did. But I will try to add...... The western countries have been the aggressors ever since oil was discovered. Before that the US didn't give a damn about Muslims. The US and Israel have been the aggressors since day one. This is why they want to put so many bases and settlements in Palestine, to be closer to the oil and to eliminate the Palestinans who get in their way.
leslietrav 2 years ago
kess em el yahood kolhon be ras shelli zainee.
ZaphedBeebleBrox 2 years ago 2
jews are SQUATTERS in Palestine living on US welfare
lookslikerain2000 2 years ago 17
@lookslikerain2000 Explain that to Mashiach "Messiah" when he will show up, what will you tell G-D? Jews are his children & Israel is his kingdom, he only chose ONE NATION. IF you have a problem with that then you have a problem with G-D.
lala79568 1 year ago
@lookslikerain2000 Holy Land should be regarded as a Land that should belong to righteous people... In this case - Zionists, and many Jews with them, are not righteous if they steal land and expel Palestinians out of Palestine...
michalthelion 1 year ago
@lookslikerain2000
but only a few jews..
blueboy921 3 weeks ago
Obama wants the settlements to stop now, and i think he is serious, what will Israel do if the americans drop them and wont support them anymore?
lunafringe10 2 years ago 8
Trust me, he;s just talking.
WONDAWOMAN 2 years ago
Probably attack Iran and let America fight it for them - that would be the best diversion
darkriver29 2 years ago
I'm an American Jew. This is unacceptable human behavior. Every Jew of conscience in the world must stand up against the murderous and outrageous atrocities being perpetrated in our names by Israel. Thank G/d, more and more Jews are taking off the blinders and standing up for human decency. G/d bless the Palestinian people.
JudithStone 2 years ago 43
God bless people like you.
telur2606 2 years ago 7
judithstone is my hero
xiaoxiao202 2 years ago 7
Thank you JS,
American jews and Europena jews are different from zionist jews.
BTW have you see the videos "Palestine before 1948" and "ZIONISTS WON'T LET YOU SEE THIS ON YOUR TV"
cmycat 2 years ago 4
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stupid woman, i¡m not a jew, and i can see, taht youre one o those, self hating jews, can't you see, this, is not about, israel or anything else, it's about, hate towart the jews, bitch think about, a realiza that, the arabs just want to fuck you, you're like one of those judenrat of the nazis time,
hermingarcia 2 years ago
thank u for that response & feeling
palestinian111 2 years ago
@JudithStone
God bless the Palestinian people
PeaceandUnity1972 1 year ago
@JudithStone God bless you. :-) Peace.
michalthelion 1 year ago
@JudithStone I agree with you. You are right.
gmcbuses 1 year ago
As you say my friend "Yes Jews have always lived in Jerusalem",BUT The Zionist WHITE European Jews have always been people from there living nation, but when , people from the hood recognize, that holocaust many of them are bringing back, began conflict,
Al lah also don't believe in God and JEWS REJECT THE IDEA OF JESUS
Because he had claimed divinity. And you call him prophet
reymondas 3 years ago
Palestinians ,that lives in Gaza, or in west bank , is not trying to get the land back .
They perfect know, who this land belong to , Palestine and west bank belong to Jews ,they use to live there 2000 years ago, and until today there was living many.
Question to you, who had killed Jesus, Arabs or Jews .Where he was killed in Europe or Palestine (Jerusalem) that we call Israel today.
Palestinian Muslims, they can lie to the world ,but not to their selfs.
reymondas 3 years ago
reymondas
i must try to educate you now.
Yes Jews have always lived in Jerusleum, They were living there in PEACE for Thousands of years,
BUT The Zionist WHITE European jews have NO Ancestory to the land,
BY THE WAY JEWS " DO NOT " BELIVE IN JESUS,
JEWS REJECT THE IDEA OF JESUS , THEY REJECT HIM IN EVERY POSSIBLE SENSE.
so what on earth are you chatting about?
TruthLogic 3 years ago
and you know your rabbi hirsh, 50% of israelis support his point of view. looks like there are extremists on the other side of the wall too. maybe the palestinians can have a full functioning country when israel STOPS its settlements and occuption of the territories. settlements that divde up the west bank into patchwork of isolated villages and towns
sana6 3 years ago
occupation will stop when the israelis can feel safe and there are no more dead jews and/or intifadas settllements will most likely never stop, or at least as long as the west bank is occupied, and its wrong to believe that the goverment organizes them no matter what israel has to defend its citizens otherwise its no longer israel and a jewish refuge
Biscotti198 3 years ago
the funny thing is my friend, that Hamas and the PLO are a direct result of the occupation. once the occupation ends and israel withdraws to its 67 borders these organization will cease to exist b/c they wont have any more legitamcy. but there is no point in arguing at least we somewhat argue that a palestinian state should exist and the palestinian refugees have a right to return. i just hope the fucked up politicans on both sides will one day seriously put some effort into ending this
sana6 3 years ago
they do put effort but unlike us they have interests to guard as well as having to deal with the whole scope of the problem, as for Hamas and the PLO, well i dont know much about hamas history but the PLO was in fact formed before the Six Day War cant remember who the original leader is of the top of my head but there you go also it is somewhat naive to expect that radical organizations such hamas and the PLO would have any problem finding new legitimacy those peoples agenda is "Death to Israel"
Biscotti198 3 years ago
or you ever heard of Rabbi Kook who preaches that settlements is a process of purifying the land of israel transferring the land from satanic spheres to divine spheres. nonetheless, what would've have you done if in 1947 if someone came to your country and said it would be called israel?
sana6 3 years ago
wats wrong with calling it israel? besides u could either go to the new palestine that was also created (but no they decided they werent happy with breathing jews and decided to finish off hitlers work) or you could stay a jewish state means a home for the jews not death to the arabs
Biscotti198 3 years ago
whats wrong with israel is that a country was created within another already existing nation without the consent of those living there. no i am not arguing here for the destruction of israel or anything. i am arguing for a simple cause, the right of the palestinians to right to their home. this is their inalienable right. if you dont believe in that my friend then i dont know what common ground we have. you are going aganist the same international law the created your country.
sana6 3 years ago
did i say i was against their right to return? i just said that i believe a palestenian state needs to exists but once the palestenians show that they can build their own country, especially with a peace with israel, israel has to much to lose so they are more protective if however the Palestinians can rebuild and build their towns and economy the creation of Palestine will be immediate and inevitable, also the only independent state that ever existed there have jewish states no palestineor arab
Biscotti198 3 years ago
the palestinian state already exists, the only thing it lacks is ironically international recognitions. and the palis are building their own country, look at the hospitals or schools they are trying to build. but what happens every few months or every year a military assault occurs the destroys entire towns and villages. look at whats happenin at gaza.
sana6 3 years ago
thats part of the reason why i kept saying peacefully those assaults wouldn't happen if the Israelis didn't have a reason also a hospital is not a hospital and a school is not a school u can point at any building and call it a school that doesn't mean its fit for children, did you know in one raid of a "School" that a math book had a problem (and i may have the numbers wrong) "there are 7 Palestinian children, an Israeli soldier rapes 4 and shoots 2 how many children are left"
Biscotti198 3 years ago
ael to a half arab and half jewish population. And the settlements once again, they violate international law. Israel broke 300 settlements, it has conficated and destroyed more tahn 20, 000 homes and one home houses more than family family. Thats what it has done to build these settlements and it breaks its promises. And you ever heard of Rabbi Hirsch. "The Jewish people are charged by Divine oath not to force themselves back to the Holy Land against the wishes of those residing there."
sana6 3 years ago
as for rabbi hirsch "if u put 2 jews in a room you will get 3 opinions" and israel has a right to be worried about those demographics if that demographic has been notoriously hostile and destructive, the majority of Palestinians see the PLO as a representative body for themselves despite PLO brutality including the selective shootings of jewish school children, who wouldnt be apprehensive
Biscotti198 3 years ago
but do you know what i think the real solution is my friend. this. implement resolution 181 by allowing the palis to return, which the israeli govt blocked several times. implement res 242, israel returns to its 67 borders. international recongition given to palestine and again i am tellin you palestine is given as a primary example b.c its is a working country without international recognition. and then Israeli recognition granted by Arab countries. There problem solved but there are extremist
sana6 3 years ago
i agree that eventually an arab palestine will have to come into being but i believe that that can only happen once the palestenians have proven themselves ready and willing to build their own country peacefully and industriously
Biscotti198 3 years ago
if u say UN one more time im gonna scream theres obviously a discrepancy of information so all this is gonna end up giving me a headache although i will say its childish and incorrect to pin to blame solely on Israel in the world every1 is blameless for an abyss of reasons even the UN but i remain convinced that the solution remains with the Palestinians who can build their own country instead of languishing in their camps its not like darfur there
Biscotti198 3 years ago
over land that never built to it. And Ps buddy i saw all your comebacks coming from a mile away and I cant possibly to the entire conflict over 500 character when historians take 500 pages to fully analyse. I recommend yyou to go get a book and read it to open your mind and get true insight into the conflict instead of listening to CNN.
sana6 3 years ago
And Egypt and Jordan were in the west bank and Gaza, they weren't occupying it. You are OCCUPYING it. They werent tearing down houses or kicking palis out of there house or arresting ppl. The palis would anyday prefer to live under those govts then yours. Here is a simple question that I pose to any patriot in the world. IF IN 1948, SOMEONE CAME TO YOUR COUNTRY AND SAID ITS GOIN TO BE CALLED ISRAEL WHAT WOULD'VE YOU DONE?! Huh, the response is very obvious. Churchil had no right over the Arab
sana6 3 years ago
israel was never exclusive to arabs or palestenians who gave u that idea?
Biscotti198 3 years ago
Israel, you know who gave me that idea Ben Gurion in 1949 when he said that we must do everything in our power to deny the arabs the right to return. And this is evident by the Law of Return that allows any jewish person to enter israel due to his RELIGON. This is a discriminatory right and does not allow the palis to return. I accept taht the Arabs armies lost ground i never argued with that, I said that Refugees should NOT suffer since they are innocent and should have the right to return.
sana6 3 years ago
one problem is that they cant tell whos a civilian whos a terrorist which one of the reason y the whole region is on a basic lockdown for 40 years its one of the more complicated issues as for citizenship any1 can apply for citizenship under the standard means a jew applying however goes on an express track so to speak its not discriminatory per se (it does single out the arabs is what i mean) but its there because israel is the dream of return to the land of our ancestors once again
Biscotti198 3 years ago
human rights organizations had condemned the law of return as discramintory. Refugees arent allowed to return because of their religion and ethnicity (and i am including arab christians here). This breaks the Geneva convention Articles and Resolution 181 that demands the unconditional right of return of the Palis. You know why Ben Gurion and the Israeli govt wont allow them to return think about it? Your perfect Jewish state would be ruined. It would alter the demographic jewish presence in Isr
sana6 3 years ago
simply because some crusading organization condemns anything doesnt mean it is these organizations are hardly infallible
Biscotti198 3 years ago
again my friend, if anything condemns israel it has to be antisemtic or biased. Israel needs to accept the palestinians back b/c they were the original inhabitants and have every right to return. And are you sure the palestinians are hostile? did you ever look into what happened after the 49 war and continual israeli incursions into palestinian terroritory that resulted in the birth of teh PLO as a resistance organization.
sana6 3 years ago
did u look before 1948? Jews have been killed by mobs in palestine for over 1000 years without reprisals with the kotel used as a garbage dump you are being far too eager to point fingers at israel and say that they are the only ones to blame
Biscotti198 3 years ago
So your tellin me that Arabs are the traditional prosecutors of Jews. The Arabs never prosecuted the Jews, during the 30s the Jews migrated to Palestine b/c it was a safe heaven for them. It was the WEST that prosecuted you for thousands of years.
sana6 3 years ago
arabs have persecuted the jews for 1500 years, western civilzations for 2500 years and so on and so forth theres no lack of "traditional persecutors" but a persecutor is a persecutor no matter how long and there is no lack of them ive been beaten up by a crowd of arabs after yom kippur and shot at (the bugger missed thank god) by a white skinhead there is no lack of people ready and willing to exterminate israel no wonder they are jumpy
Biscotti198 3 years ago
This statement makes no sense whatsoever. Since when have Arabs persecuted the West?
HEBREW Jews belong in Palestine not European Jews, they already had a home in Europe, so why start a racist, nazi like belief called Zionism that Palestinian Jews REJECT! And trust me i ttakes something bad, RLY BAD, for anyone to get beaten up by an Arab crowd. They probably called themselves Arabs to develop ur hate for Arabs.
And Jews have been living PEACEFULLY in Palestine and the ARAB world for centuries
ProfessorMarmelaid 2 years ago 9
in all of my political science lectures, the palestinian state is given as a prime example. THe palestinians have a population, have a territory (even though they lost over 80 percent of their ancestral homeland), they have a working govt (recently until the split with Hamas), a constitution but the world denies them recognition. Thats why there is no state. And the ironic thing is, the same resolution that created Israel Res 182 created an Arab state too simultaneously.
sana6 3 years ago
the arab state and its allies invaded they lost and jordan and egypt sent in their soldiers to occupy what was left of what was supposed to be palestine
Biscotti198 3 years ago
this was one of many war crimes committed by Israel during the 48 war that was documented by the UN. Three yes 6 countries invaded but did you ever hear of the saying, "the victor writes history". While the arabs outnumbered you in population, look at CIA records. The arab armies were 30, 000 ill trained troops. They still had regiments with horses and the Jewish militias numbered 90 000 with European weapons from Czechslovakia. And regarding the palestinians have their own state
sana6 3 years ago
for real? whered u hear this
Biscotti198 3 years ago
2) Second my friend, look at the BBC archives and CIA files that monitored all the boardcasts in the Arab world during the 48 war. The arab govts continually pleaded with the palis to stay and even gave flat orders for civilians to stay put callin them traitors to leave. The fact you brought this up shows me the power and influence of mass media and propaganda on the average joe. The palis left b/c of Dein Yasser you remember that, 500 innocent men, women, and children that were slaughtered.
sana6 3 years ago
BBC? sry i didnt read the rest the day the british like israel after the way they were terror bombed by jews and deliver unbiased information will the day pigs fly and become kosher
Biscotti198 3 years ago
second my friend, this is so typical when any piece of information cuase aganist you it has to be biased and anti-semitic. and if there is a piece of information aganist arabs and muslim its 100 perecent right, accurate, and unbiased. wow, com'n man i know ur smarter than that.
sana6 3 years ago
ur right i do have a way of seeking out biases but im far from willing to c something thats anti arab or muslim as accurate didnt i just slander in a way the settlers who are a racist bunch and most certainly on occasion behave as thugs? but like or not they are still apart of my people but if i had to choose between a racist jew and a civilian muslim i would chose the muslim
Biscotti198 3 years ago
They insist on building settlements inside Palestine. Why?? can't they build more inside Israel? It's not like there's no room...
dissentISpatriotic 3 years ago
most of those settlers and certainly the ones u hear about are ultra orthodox radicals who settle there just to make the situation more complicated and to be a pain in the ass
Biscotti198 3 years ago
I agree most of these settlers are a pain in the ass but it is the Israeli govt that helps them and supports them by building their settlements and protecting it. Why do they have to build when they had so much room in the boundaries given to israel already! And I say the UN bc we all know that the UN is unbiased since its a world governing body. I dont think there is a discrepancy of information, i just think we are on different levels.
sana6 3 years ago
UN was made a political and diplomatic body and a judicial one its the difference between a congress and a court and israel has to protect those settlersbecasuse like any sovereign state it has to protect its citizen and it would do the same for its arab or muslim citizens
Biscotti198 3 years ago
and here is something from the horses mouth for you. "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader, I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country." Ben Gurion. Before [the Palestinians] very eyes we are possessing the land and the villages where they, and their ancestors, have lived...We are the generation of colonizers, and without the steel helmet and the gun barrel we cannot plant a tree and build a home. Israeli leader Moshe Dayan,
sana6 3 years ago
pssh that was moshe Dayan for one what did u expect and Gurion was probably talking about Israels victories in what was supposed to be palestine in 1948 and then '62 he was against occupation if that means anything to you but can u guess what country truly destroyed palestine after 48? Jordan and Egypt if i recall directly they were the ones occupying gaza and the West Bank after 48 incidentally did you know Jordan was supposed to be part of Israel to until Churchill signed it away
Biscotti198 3 years ago
LOL my friend your completely lost! First look at the UNWR reports of the Arab country's efforts to accomadate pali refugees. THe report stated that Arab countries did attempt genuine efforts to accomdate them but couldn't really accomplish much b/c of the social and economic upheavel that they were goin through. How could a country like syria help the palis when it went through 17 coup d'etats. you cant put a community in crisis in another community is in crisis also.
sana6 3 years ago
hmmm hostile much?
Biscotti198 3 years ago
The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.
Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949
The Zionists Make A Big Call On Being The Only Democracy In The Mideast, Its Such A Pity That This Democracy Has No Regard For The Human Rights Of Others.
ee45exx 3 years ago
Its a pity that so few have no regard for the life and lives of that democracy
Biscotti198 3 years ago
isreal govt act like hitler govt
earlsutton 3 years ago 3
The holocost was terrible and we said never again. Now Israel acts like it Nazi Germany with Hitlers policy of Lebinstram. (I most likely spelled that wrong.) They claim the right to Palistinian land with the same manner that Hitler used old Nordic tales to justify claims over Northern Europe. Myths and Lengends do not trump international law, especially laws reinforced after the Jewish experiance in Nazi Germany. This is what really hurts for Humanists like myself.
rmacevoy 3 years ago
Wat really hurts a jew like myself is accusations of false promises that were not followed through after it became obvious that the Palestinians werent about 2 uphold theyre end of the bargain and after what happened in gaza i doubt israel is feeling to confident about what will happen after it pulls out at least in the interest of the palestenians they arnt killing each other right now israeli conquered that land in the 6 day war from those who wanted to run the jews into the sea
Biscotti198 3 years ago
I guess we in the USA shouldn't be so critical of Israeli settlements.
We're voting for the people who are voting for us to pay for them.
jaw787 3 years ago
Today, CNN reports that British Prime Minister stated Israeli settlements must stop immediately.
Too bad. Now we will probably have to break off diplomatic relations with Great Britain. Doesn't Brown understand US Foreign Policy has one, and only one, mantra? "As long as Israel is safe..." has been our guiding principle since 1948. Iraq? "As long as Israel is safe." Beirute? "As long as Israel is safe." Veto votes at the U.N.? "As long as Israel is safe." Too bad, I'm going to miss England.
jaw787 3 years ago
We invaded iraq under our own poor intiative its about time we stopped scapegoating the jews .... again, face mistakes + after all britian has done 2 the jews does it really think it has any right WTF DONT U PPL GET IT AFTER 2000 YEARS WE FINNALY HAVE OUR OWN COUNTRY HELL IF THOSE "POOR PALESTENIANS" WERENT SO DAMN AGGRESSIVE SINCE DAY 1 AND JUST LET ISRAEL B WE WOULDNT HAVE THIS PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE BUT NOOOOO LETS 4GET THEY WANTED 2 KILL ALL THE JEWS AND C THEM AS THE POOR VICTIMS NOW!!!
Biscotti198 3 years ago
Are you kidding? You really think, "AFTER 2000 YEARS WE FINNALY HAVE OUR OWN COUNTRY HELL IF THOSE "POOR PALESTENIANS" WERENT SO DAMN AGGRESSIVE" is accurate? Do you admit WE put "your own country" in their living rooms, and maybe that is why they have been so 'aggressive' since Day 1? Let's put a new nation in the middle of "yours" and see how it goes. But wait, we have to give them $3Billion every Oct 1 for arms and settlements, too... "As long as Israel is safe..."
jaw787 3 years ago 2
u kidding me? u think they were aggresive only after 1948? o sure the reason y at Jafa they killed hundreds of jews in 1928 was because israel in 1948? o wow that makes alot of sense
Biscotti198 3 years ago
my friend the simple reality is that nearly a million ppl were chased out during the 48 war due to the campaign of terror and killing of jewish militias.I know all your comebacks already b/c i have talked to ppl like you and historians have dealt with all your claims.The simple fact is that international law is supreme,and your country is breaking resolution 181 by denying the palis the right to return and res 242-stoppin settlelments.and for the record israel has over 400 resolutions aganist it
sana6 3 years ago
the truth is that your a fool to believe international law is supreme when the U.N. cant even stop genocide in Darfur dont get me wrong the UN is all very well when sending humanitarian aid or helping to rebuild villages but these things arnt its forte and for the record i wouldnt put much stock in those U.N. resolutions in a council that either hates israel or has an economic dependency on those countries and as long as no one will help prevent the death of jews every action by israel is legit
Biscotti198 3 years ago
As a humanist, I will never stop believing in justice and will continue to use my voice to defend ppl who suffer injustice. And for the record, the UN resolutions always end up getting vetoed by the US, which supports your country buddy. every action is legit eh, i guess thats what hitler said too when he committed the holocaust. use a brain the palis have been suffereing for the past 60 years due to Israel's action.
sana6 3 years ago
few words no problems with a humanist but think! Israel is not going to change as long as its survival is in constant danger its going to do what it needs to survive and thats perfectly understandable after the treatment it and its people have recieved but its not as if Israel is only to blame your precious UN had a study done (it should still be in some archives) that Israel as a country has provided the most aid in material and manpower to palestenians refugees where as Syria has reeked the
Biscotti198 3 years ago
build their own country and prove to Israel and the world (UN watever) that they can run their own country then there will in all likelyhood less opposition and they can finally get what they want through their own hard work u reap what u sow if the jews could do it with 6 countries invading in 1948 whats stopping that palestenians?
Biscotti198 3 years ago
most havoc on the camps with Jordan right behind it. It was the Arabs countries sorrunding Israel that in the beginning called for those people to leave their homes and then denied them when their bid to finish hitlers work failed yes some were forced from their homes but most left under a false dream of a world without jews (just like hitler while we are drawing parallels) (which both of ours are false) the solution is with the palestenians that if they can get off their rear ends and start to
Biscotti198 3 years ago
i dont think youll like it if someone came to your country and said were going to make a new coountry called israel for the jews......i dont think anyone would say ok ill leave my land that ive been living in all my life so the jews can have a state....oh and btw the palestinians allowed the jews to live in palestine they never fought until the zionist gruop was formed
oday360 3 years ago
ur right they never fought the jews they slaughtered the jews no ones ever happy about having jews anywhere only right that they should finally get their own back and if they dont like get used to it the palestenians were the ones who forced the british to close immigration to death camp survivors they are hardly guiltless
Biscotti198 3 years ago
am an israeli and all i can say is that we as israelis need to be ASHAMED! The settlements need to go!!! How dare we build on land that DOES NOT BELONG TO US? We have NO RIGHT do be building structures on palestinian land. As much as I am pro-israeli, I am also pro-palestinian.
ronalda3132 3 years ago
ummmm ur profile puts ur country as the USA
Biscotti198 3 years ago
I am an israel and all i can say is that we need to be ASHAMED! The settlements need to go!!! How dare we build on land that DOES NOT BELONG TO US? We have NO RIGHT do be building structures on palestinian land. As much as I am pro-israel, I am also pro-palestian.
ronalda3132 3 years ago 2
THEY PRETEND TO BE THE VICTIM? are you insane, hitler did kill thousands of Jews, and you think they are pretending to be the victim, Go back to school and learn about the history of the jews! i carnt believe that you said that, you must realy hate them,
cosmic4peace 3 years ago
Hey guys, is this the Jew-hating forum or the Paki-bashing blog?
3TittedWoman 3 years ago 2
didnt the jews own this land thousands of years ago anyway?, the jews are people who have been deported from spain the east, so where can they go?
cosmic4peace 3 years ago
jews are the scum of the universe!
Vikingpowerheinz 3 years ago
Short and Simple. Thanks. Now let your brain rest before come up with another sentence.
skvtube 3 years ago
viking .. I have nothing against Jews .. Zionists to me are the scum of the earth! Not all Jews are Zionists & not all Zionists are Jews... look no further that the pretend Jews called AshkeNAZI's!
BoriChumba 3 years ago
AGAIN: all HAMAS attacks just bring more misery to poor Palestine.
There is no military gain for HAMAS.
The only reason HAMAS does it - to this to fuel media campaign (and you part of it).
AGAIN:
As Golda Meir said: ..."This war will end when Palestinian will love own kids more than they hate Jews"...
skvtube 3 years ago
One has to put this into perspective .. Israel is HEAVILY ARMED by American tanks, guns, bombs & aircraft.. Palesine has non of those things. Israel is HEAVILY FUNDED & SUPPORTED by America & many many multi billion dollar companies.
As to your quote.. it is by a Zionist! Try some quotes from NGO's, Politicians, Red Cross, Oxfam & so on..independant & neutral organisations going only where NEEDED serving those who are in NEED. How many illegal settlers live in refugee camps? Homes bulldozed?
BoriChumba 3 years ago
AGAIN:
I don't talk why HAMAS cannot archive military advantage today. It just a fact - they cannot. So why HAMAS put own people on line fire if it cannot defend them? Why HAMAS fight IDF in heavy populated Gaza where it cannot defend own civilians? At least why they fire damn rockets and pravoke IDF retaliation.
AGAIN:
The only reason - to fuel media campaign that you part of. Essentially trading blood of own people for propaganda. Very much Islamic way. Alah-Acbar
skvtube 3 years ago
It's ALLAHU AKBAR, if you're going to state it, do so correctly!
You're the one who's the victim of a media campaign and Zionist movement to bilk the American public. Educate yourself. You say you've taken history courses. Obviously not in Middle Eastern history nor Colonialism.
iadiedee 3 years ago
I spell word from one foreign language using another foreign language. You don't read/feel sarcasm do you? At that particular context if I would be you I prefer Alah-Acbar to be misspelled.
skvtube 3 years ago
Any one of my friends will tell you I am quite good at sarcasm. All you did was show your idiocy. It is transliterated from Arabic to Roman letters as Allahu Akbar. It is what we say in Arabic as we pray. It is not something we're sarcastic about. It means GOD IS GREAT. Which he is. And he will sort out your kind at the Day of Judgment. How you can condone obliteration of an entire group of people is horrendous.
iadiedee 3 years ago
I know what 'Allahu Akbar' means.
FYI Roman letters (Latin alphabet) sound different in different languages. So I use spelling 'Alah-Acbar' that I believe was the closest match to what I used hear many times :).
Pls:
Don't impose your G-d on me neither or talk about his judgement on me. I have own G-d for this. Keep your believes private.
Looks like you losing your 'open minds' when it comes to spelling.
skvtube 3 years ago
Don't think you have the right to tell me what to do bud. I'll talk about my faith as much as I wish. You are right about the spelling issue, I often forget some transliterate that way. I didn't judge you. That is God's to do, not me.
It's interesting how you twist the issue - typical trick of you Zionist supporters.
The issue is this mans land being STOLEN by illegal occupation and building by the Zionist gov't of Israel. Reminder: Zionist does not equal Jew. They come of all, and no, faith.
iadiedee 3 years ago
AND it's the same Abrahamic God in both our faiths skvtube.
iadiedee 3 years ago
What do you know about my believes?
I stay away from you guys (Jews, Muslim, Christian). You hijack G-d name and committing crimes in his name. While I respect your G-d. I have little respect for you. In Torah, Gospel, Quaran we can find excuse for anything killing, healing, devastation & hate. It is just a question what are YOU looking for. It is not Zionist twist. It is just one more view point that you miss. Looks like your world split between Zionist and Islam.
skvtube 3 years ago
I don't care about land. HAMAS using own people misery to fuel media campaign and YOU part of it. AGAIN:
HAMAS has no military gain from firing rockets. It just trigger IDF retaliation and civilian casualties since HAMAS take stand in populas areas (As you said guerilla tactics).
IDF using relatively mild military tactics to preserve Palestinian. I have something to compare with. Isn't that crazy?
Honestly: Do you see your kid throw stones at IDF, wearing suicide vest, dieing for land?
skvtube 3 years ago
If our homes are being taken DAMNED RIGHT I'd be there throwing whatever I could at the INVADERS and ILLEGAL OCCUPIERS! My kids are grown. I know they'd be there beside me. So would you do the same if someone came to take your home or land!
Suicide is AGAINST ISLAMIC TEACHINGS! It's immediate hell.
MILD????? IDF Preserves Palestine???? You're just blind now.
iadiedee 3 years ago
HAMAS is the legally elected government of Palestine. Period. Their military gain is taking out whatever they can in retaliation for all of their homes and land taken from them ILLEGALLY. EVERY settlement of Jews on their land is ILLEGAL. It makes the soldiers think twice before stepping across the line into PALESTINE.
Zionist murders, bullies, child killers - every one of them!
iadiedee 3 years ago
I am not questioning HAMAS legitimacy even I was horrified when it was elected. Because I see the damage it does to own people. It is a war, once HAMAS fires rocket it responsible for circumstances. In Yom Kippur War Syria and Egypt called ceasefire once their capitals were in striking range from IDF. They HAD ENOUGH POWER to demolish IDF, but they want avoid civilian losses. Looks at guerilla heroes Chechens. They even worse than HAMAS.
skvtube 3 years ago
Chechen heroes twice took stand in Grozny. Russians didn't bother with reduced charges like IDF. They used carpet bombing, mid range missiles and artillery. There was no reliable numbers for casualties, because nobody was left to collect corpses. Estimates are that before second 2 month siege 20000 were left in town. Russians surround town with mine fields so few could escape. IDF often sends warning before attack, Russians didn't. Trust me IDF using very mild force. Chk Grozny images.
skvtube 3 years ago
Of course suicide is against Islamic law! Only the idiotic extremists do it with bombs.
Mrpastry909 3 years ago
lol i think u should research about the ex-israeli soldiers called "breaking the silence"...i think what they say is alot more credible than what u say...and they say the complete opposite of what u say...read the book by Tanya Reinhart (shes an israeli woman) and she states that the israeli treatment is worse than the apartheid regime from south africa...man ur blind
pablosiddiqui 3 years ago
Bloody good for him, I say.
Sorry to interrupt btw.
PinkoPapist89 3 years ago
Why has there been so many UN actions against Israel, because Desmond Tutu says Israel is even more oppressive than Burma; Many consider your regime worse than South African apartheid; Because you use nerve gas against Palestine children (documented in the film the Gaza strip).
Even many Israeli army refuse to work in occupied lands claiming "We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people."
4AntiWar 3 years ago
Who is Desmond Tutu. May be he didn't travel to Africa. and doesn't know Darfur, Rwanda Chad etc. This is the place where people really suffer and die in numbers. Palestine is nothing compare to Africa. But we concentrate on bad Jews killing few Arabs rather that several 100-1000 diyng every day. Who cares about Arabs killing Black.
You know why? Becuase all spin doctors enjoy safety of Israel while reporting IDF 'crimes'. Once they about to talk about NAMAS they are kidnapped or killed.
skvtube 3 years ago
The countries you have stated are civil wars of tribes fighting for different reasons. Palestine is being illegally occupied, is being funded by America, as well as multi billion dollar companies .. there is a huge difference! BTW .. Arabs killing black? In Darfur they are ALL Muslims, & their conflict has nothing to do with 'race' or colour, they are all of Arab descent even though they are black .. look into the history of it!
BoriChumba 3 years ago
I am not sure why civil war is good reason for killing while Israel defending itself against Palestinian attacks is bad reason. IF you justify Palestinian attacks so give Israel right to defend itself.
skvtube 3 years ago
Israel isn't defending itself against the Palestinians & any educated person would know that.. only a small amount of research would reaveal the lies in your comment. Watch my video talk by Rabbi Goldstein.
BoriChumba 3 years ago
Sorry man. What they do conduct anti-terror operation on enemy territory. Callateral damage well bellow average. Especially geven high density areas of Gaza. Compare to Russians in Checnya or US in Iraq.
skvtube 3 years ago
Sources and references for all you say please .. I keep asking.. or perhaps its just your own oppinion you are siting here? In wich case it pails into insignificance alongside the many references & sources I have provided.
BoriChumba 3 years ago
Desmond Mpilo Tutu is a South African cleric and activist who rose to worldwide fame during the 1980s as an opponent of apartheid.Tutu was elected and ordained the first black South African Anglican Archbishop of Cape Town, South Africa, and primate of the Church of the Province of Southern Africa (now the Anglican Church of Southern Africa). He received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1984, the Albert Schweitzer Prize for Humanitarianism, and the Magubela prize for liberty in 1986.
iadiedee 3 years ago
Hi iadiedee, you didn't find sarcasm in my post about Tutu? I was part of march to support him at some point back in 1980's. Given all his Africa legacy how can he compare African suffering to PA? Old man lost in his own words... Killing in Darfur, Rwanda over 1,5000,000 and Self inflicted casualties on scale of 1000's in PA (second intefada).
In Rwanda it was genocide. In PA Palestinians fighter using own towns to provoke IDF attacks. Do you see the difference?
skvtube 3 years ago
You stated perhaps Tutu hadn't traveled to Africa. My reply was that he IS African so he knows his continent quite well! More than an American that both of us are. Provoke IDF? You've lost your mind! Chart showing that 3 to 4 times more Palestinians have been killed than Israelis. 1,053 Israelis and at least 4,789 Palestinians have been killed and 6,845 Israelis and 32,569 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000. ifamericansknew . org/index . html
iadiedee 3 years ago
Here's more 0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 18,147 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967. Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.Chart showing that Israel is holding over 8000 Palestinians prisoner. 1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 10,756 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel. ...
iadiedee 3 years ago
Israel currently has 223 Jewish-only settlements and 'outposts' built on confiscated Palestinian land. Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land.
119 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 982 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.ONE is too many!
Show me ONE photo of Hamas firing from populated areas.You can't!They don't exist!Israel has SAID they exist but hasn't produced ONE photo.BUT you can find hundreds of IDF attrocities.
iadiedee 3 years ago
They fire rockets from orchids and fields. But fighters live, store ammo/explosive, manufacture rockets in populars areas. I didn't see HAMAS bases on a middle of orchids. You know why - because they cannot stay against IDF so they hide among civilians. frankly there is no space for any military installation in Gaza. (chk map :)
skvtube 3 years ago
Military Installation? They're reduced to gorilla tactics. Do you really think they'd jeopardize their own families by putting these in their homes? Haven't you ever seen underground storage? Used in many campaigns of just such oppressed people. Check a map? Check it yourself.
THIS has everything to do with this farmer. His land is being stolen by ILLEGAL OCCUPIERS and their ILLEGAL expansion of another settlement. See statistics from ifamericansknew . com
iadiedee 3 years ago
Yes they do jeopardize their own families.
What about kids with suiced vest or teen through stones to IDF. Would you let your kid out with such outfit? Would you let your kid out to confront IDF?
AGAIN:
Gold Meir:
..."The war ends when Palestinian will love own kids more than they hate Israeli"...
skvtube 3 years ago
Exactly they reduced to guerrillas tactic. If you study history/warfare this is exactly the tactics that takes toll on your own civilians. (You used word 'gorilla' gorilla is ape and don't risk own kids).
skvtube 3 years ago
They fire far away from populated areas so why are IDF firing into populated areas and not where the rockets are coming from? It makes no sense. Of course the Israeli occupation of this entire geographic area makes no sense. It IS just like the way the founders exterminated the native Am Indians in the US.
iadiedee 3 years ago
What is the reason to fight empty rocket launchers that cost nothing (there are just wooden poll). IDF strikes storages, manufacturing facility (read simple metal workshops) and fighters who happen to hide among civilians...
skvtube 3 years ago
skvtube .. haha Still going hard at it eh? Instead of posting your heresay without any references & souces quoted to back up your heresay .. you should try doing a bit of homework with an open mind .. but most of all you should try getting a life .. a hobby may help! The intelligent readers can read all the comments I made with references, links provided & so on .. its all there in back & white no matter how muc you ramble on to push it all into the background.
BoriChumba 3 years ago