Nehemiah 13:5 Tithe was only payed to the levites and since we are not levites we dont tithe!! these two pastors of the devil will burn in hell for misleading people with false doctrine
Tithing is like a membership to a country club... If you pay your fees, then you can fit in and be accepted. Did Jesus charge people to listen to His sermons?
@caycug1 Nope. But he didn't have a building or hired staff either. It's fine if people don't want to give any money, I don't think it's required either, but in that case we should all just start meeting in a grass field rain or shine. I see nothing wrong with that, I would do it, but many wouldn't. And that's the problem. They will only come to church at a nice building with air conditioning, but they won't support it financially. They ride on other people's sacrifice.
@shipleyshipster I don't have a problem with giving money to a church... It's when they make it sound like it's biblically required that I have a problem with. If someone wants to be a member of a formal church building, then they should have to sign a membership agreement, just like the health clubs do... That way they know what they are signing up for. But to make someone feel like their sinning by not tithing... that ain't right.
Yes those Gentiles did call upon, but still. In the days of the apostles, the word "Christian" was a term of derision that was used by their enemies. Instead of being accompliment - or even a status symbol (as it sometimes is, today) - it was an insult. A person who became a follower (disciple) of Jesus experienced a radical change in values, attitudes and actions - and the world mocked such people by calling them "Christians."
Act11:26And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
@imthemandawg Act11:26And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
@gravitywheel The same reason why people give their money to pastors. Also, the same reason why people go into debt trying to celebrate Christmas, Santa Clause(A form of God).
@imthemandawg One if your talking about tithing. Oh, I do give but not for the reasons people say to give for or how to give. I do my part by feeding people you know the same way people did it the bible. When people tithe it had nothing to do with money and if it did it was always, what people stole and gave it ALL to the people not to the church or pastor. Being a believer doesn't always mean its truth. Even Satan and the Demons believed.
@imthemandawg "That's just your way of sliding out from what G-D is asking each believer to do." Do you know everyone doesnt have the same job as others. Everyone is an individual what he told you to do may not be what he told me to do. Other words are you sure your hearing from Yahweh, its possible for people to work for jesus and be fired at the same time. You saying God I know good and well you not hearing from God no one but Yahweh can speak to him. I pray that you read you bible so that
@imthemandawg What does associating with people of low position; have to do with people having different jobs. Right I never said that you were less than, what I tried to tell you were your job has nothing to do with mines. So no it isn’t my way of sliding out from what God is asking each believer to do. I don’t do stuff my way I act when Jesus tells me to do stuff, not men. I do not wish to call myself a Christian, I am not a Gentile.
@imthemandawg Can't get mad at me for using the word, its in the bible. I can see what you mean. There is a difference between Disciples of Christ and Christians. When a Christian use the bible the wrong way thats when I comment on stuff like this. The reason why I am not a Christian is because it was orginated in the Church of Antioch,Gentiles was the first Christians. Christian is a mockery name for Disciples of Chist. Most people wouldn't know these things, if people like me
@imthemandawg Yes those Gentiles did call upon, but still. In the days of the apostles, the word "Christian" was a term of derision that was used by their enemies. Instead of being accompliment - or even a status symbol (as it sometimes is, today) - it was an insult. A person who became a follower (disciple) of Jesus experienced a radical change in values, attitudes and actions - and the world mocked such people by calling them "Christians."
@imthemandawg Same as calling a gay person a fag. Christian was rarely used the word "Christian" occurs only three times, and when we examine the passages in which it occurs, we discover that, in each instance, it is compatible (or even synonymous) with the word "disciple." In one instance, it is directly connected with that word. In the New Testament it identifies those who said they were Christians weren’t.
Religion had nothing to do with the plan, only the relationship with who god sent.
@imthemandawg me didn't help people out. I am also commenting because MSI'S Mind Screwing Institutions, (what folks call church today). Hide the true meaning of Christ.
@imthemandawg Insults, I never insulted you I asked you was you sure you was hearing from Yahweh. If you’re just starting to learn about this stuff, I apologize but need I remind you. You’re the one who comment acting as if you knew a lot more.
Remember this comment " You don't suffer from the lack of Knowledge"
Luke 20;
22 Is it right for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?” 23 He saw through their duplicity and said to them, 24 “Show me a denarius. Whose image and inscription are on it?” “Caesar’s,” they replied. 25 He said to them, “Then give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
@cali5995 have you paid your tithe of mint and anise and cummin today? Have you followed the requirments of the law and given your tithe where the Bible says you must? No?
So you decide to change the requirments of the law with regard to tithing to fit what you want it to be? If today we are under this law whereever we are in the world (which is against scripture) than the pastors leading churches are robbing God as the tithe of the tithe is not making it to the storehouse to help the needy.
@jrmaximus Jesus was accusing the Pharisees about being absolutely anal about the letter of the Law, while the neglected mercy and justice. Yes, I believe we are to tithe all of our blessings. No, I do not do that perfectly -- not because I have "chnaged the law," but because I still sin. That is not an excuse, I strive to be more and more obedient and sin less and less. The fact that we are sinners does not mean that the moral law is abrogated.
@cali5995 If you feel God has put it on your heart to tithe then you need to tithe. What is at issue is when preachers and teachers teach that tithing is a law that believers must obey.
They neglect the requirements and proceedures associated with tithing as it was laid out to the Jews.
According to the scriptures those who collect the tithe in these churches are the ones robbing God as they are neither Levites nor is a tithe of the tithe going into the storehouse as defined by scripture.
Ten percent of everything we receive and have is the minimum we should give to the Church. Yes, we are to do so cheerfully and not under compulsion, but Jesus says that we ought to seek justice, mercy, and faithfulness, and giving the thithe. See Matthew 23:23.
@cali5995 Says who? Show me the scripture that says we must give a minimum of 10% what we receive in money and give it to the church. The tithe - always the increase from the land of Israel. Always given only to the Levites. Where does the bible tell us that the churches of today take over or the preachers can now take the tithe rather than the Levites. Giving to further Gods work and to help the needy is fundemental to Godly character. Forcing tithing money to churches as Gods law is not.
Tithing is NOT required. The bible says you should give from the heart and let no one compel you to give. You have it backwards my friends. Only food could be given as a Tithe and only to Levite Priests. It could only be converted to money for those who lived far away and had to be converted back to food once you got into town. I know EVERY bit of scripture on Tithing and it is NOT for Christians. It could only be paid by Israelite farmers and herdsmen, no other profession could give it.
In answer to 'Abraham's tithing' -put very very basic and short - some bad kings attacked some good kings and took all their stuff- Abraham took his men and attacked the bad kings and got the stuff back- Abraham took a 10th of the good kings stuff that he got back and gave it to the high priest Melchezidek-Abraham gave the remaining 90% back to the kings who lost it in the first place. Abraham did not tithe his property or his own gain.
@jrmaximus I suggest you read over that part again. The good king's things weren't the only things taken. Lot was also taken along with everything he had and was over showing "Abraham's things". That's why he went and got it back. He returned the king's possessions to him and the king wanted to pay him out of that, but Abraham paid a tithe to Melchizedek from possessions he took from the evil kings and told the good king to keep his possessions.
@vkwill Yes-to add more detail to my simplifying of the story, Abrahams motivation was that Lot had been taken but no - Abrahams possessions were not taken. Lot's possessions were taken (unless you can quote a passage that says otherwise) .
And they took all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah, and all their victuals, and went their way. And they took Lot, Abram's brother's son, who dwelt in Sodom, and his goods, and departed.
I never desired anyone's silver, gold, or clothes. You yourselves know that I worked with my own hands to support myself and those who were with me. In every way I showed you that by working hard like this we should help the weak and remember the words that the Lord Jesus himself said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'"
Ok, I have a question. Lets just say you are a pastor how are you sposed to fund your church and fund your needs (like food , shelter ect?). Please give me bible references in your answer, thank you!
I’m glad I'm free from the bondage of tithing. I did so for years (& found it hard) before I learned it is not for today.
Many pastors are teaching it as mandatory, & that’s unbiblical. The tithe was only for a particular time in history, & it wasn't actually money, but food for the Levite priests!
We don't have to give a set amount to any church & greedy pastors are banking (literally) on people's ignorance...
@daro2096 if you look at Abrams tithe as a model for present day giving you must realize something - Abram went to war on behalf of the sodomites and defeated the sodomite enemy, he then took the stuff that had been stolen by Chedorlaomer and, on the way back home met Melchizedek and gave him one tenth of the sodomites goods, along with one tenth of Lots stuff. How is this one off, never to be repeated act by Abram, who gave other peoples stuff away, a model for tithing today?
Christ is our High Priest of the order of Melchizedek. Chrsitians are the servants or followers of Christ. Abraham gave the example of Tithing. We are at war, a war between Christ and Satan. Malchi says withholding tithe is robbing God. The tithe is not ours it belongs to God and we are supposed to return it.
We are supposed to pay our tithe and offerings. Pastors and church workers in the field are paid from the tithe.
@daro2096 Abraham also sacrificed animals - do we follow this example too? You are decietful. Tithing had nothing at all to do with money - money was paid to priests via sin, atonement and redemption monies. Tithe could only be taken up in Jerusalem by the Levites and if Jerusalem was too far away, tithes (corn oil etc) could be exchanged for money and used to purchase alchohol for the purpose of celebrating. Tithes are no longer mandated for NT christians - liberal giving is. Repent.
Thou shalt not steal. The tithe does not belong to you, it belongs to God. Jerusalem in the New Testament is the church. It is not any literal location on Earth.
God expects us to obey. If you are witholding tithe you are robbing God, you are a thief and no thief will enter the kingdom of God.
If the bible is true each of these prooves that New Jerusalem is not the Christian church and is not on the earth yet.
Looks like you need to study your bible more,But i trust you to continue in your ignorance being a blind teacher lying to yourself and decieving other christians.
Another christian corrected by an atheist using their owns words against them.Just how stupid are you people?
@daro2096 If you are going to insist on maintaining old testament commands you had better embrace them all dero... you dont get to pick and choose which ones you want. There were 613 OT laws given - funny how you pick the one that has the potential to make you cash (if you twist it enough) and overlook the other 612 laws hahaha The reason you live in poverty is because you are under a curse! Serpent ! You mix law and grace - Paul warned the Galatians about your sort!
@daro2096 Christians back in those days and still are Gentiles. Christians orginated in the Church of Antioch they was the first Christian Gentile. The true followers of Christ have been and is still is called Disciples of Christ. Acts11:19-26. Christians is a mockery of the Disciples of Christ Robbing funny didn't the people who did tithing steal what they gave.
You would have to be braindead to tithe. Next you would have to start sacrificing unblemished animals, observing every feast or holy day including the strict diet observed by the paharisees, and having your manhood reduced at eight days old - ouch.
LOL for you people that go to church & say it's wrong to tithe, answer this 1 question for me. Have you seen someone give a piece of land for a church for free? What about the building? What about the electricity & other utilities in the church? How are those things supposed to get paid if people don't tithe? I got it bake sales and rummage sales right? How about a World's Finest Chocolate Fundraiser? What do you suggest people do to accomplish what Jesus told us to do in spreading the Gospel?
@vkwill Show me where God has said to give to help pay for land and a building, mortgages, soft cushy chairs, big fancy sound systems and high paid preachers and I'll show you a hundred places God calls us to use what we have to help those in need around us.
The house of God is not a place or building it is a people.
@jrmaximus I'll field this question thank you. Genesis28-20-22 say to tithe a full 10% of what you earn. I presume this is what you earn before taxes, or so a Church told my Father once. Liviticus27-30-32 says to tithe 20%. So tithe your balls off to the parasites who run your church. Your a worthless Christian if you do less. This is because your imaginary friends love you.
@bigboy45454545 I think you're agreeing with me. Sure sounds like you're a little bitter toward 'parasites'. ;-)
There are actually many who are preaching this tithing teaching because they have been deceived themselves and have been sucked into the system but are not deliberately trying to be deceptive. Hope they smarten up.
Gen 28:20-22 however does not say to tithe in fact. It's Jacob making a vow to God-'Do these things for me God and I'll give 10%'. God didn't tell or ask him to ever.
this is stupid. thats a terribly mocking video. that is not how it really is. and although there are people who are like that they only call themselves christians. they give the real christians a bad name. but please know that that is not the real deal. people only see the bad parts of " christianity ". in reality it isnt christianity at all. don't be fooled by what the world wants you to see. this is not the real way it is.
I agree mostly with this, however tithing has always been lawfully about giving 10% of your INCOME, some believe before tax however I believe it's your income so that's after you've been tax. The bible doesn't empty the tithing request, but if Jesus fulfilled the law, then you still give 10% & over to God's work. Malachi says bring it to he storehouse, so what I interpret that, is give to where you get your spiritual food i.e. your church and more to other Godly interests. But how God leads you.
@stoob1969 thats where you messed up, you tried to interpret. Its clear tithes was in the form of food and was for the levites, are you a levite? Also they had to give 10% of their increase, not income so even if it was money you give based on how much you increase. Churches use that lie to get you to pay their bills, if you start a house then you are responsible for the bills, it cost nothing to go into the streets and preach the gospel
@patcol82 Jesus commented about the widow who gave all she had to the church, the new testament has never done away with giving money to the church, I suggest you read your bible again.
@stoob1969 read it again, he was showing an example of how the poor would give all they have and how the leaders were taking advantage of the poor and how the rich wouldn't give much of anything, there were no where in that passage demanding us to tithe now you read your bible again because there is a difference between tithing to a church and giving DIRECTLY to the poor
@patcol82 She wasn't giving to the poor, she was giving to the church, how can she give to the poor if she is poor herself? Regardless of the main point to Jesus' story, He never ruled out giving tithes to the church. Psalm 96:8 'bring an offering and come into his courts.' We are meant to respect our leaders and trust that they give the money to the appropriate places. 'You will recognise them by their fruit' If the leaders drive Rolls Royces, then obviously theres something wrong!
@stoob1969 Yeah see you read what you want to read. If you can't even read what i said correctly then you definately can't read the bible correctly, where did I say she gave that money to the poor and in the scripture you gave once again where does it say give money to a leader, it says bring an offering not gold or silver. see you believe because a pastor says money is offering that money is offering, an offering a a sacrifice and you had to burn that. God does not need your money
@patcol82 God does not need your money? God wants everything! You are mishearing me, we are not under the law but the new covenant is the fulfillment of the law, we give over and above what we have and trust God with our money. Did Jesus say 'No poor widow, don't give your mite'? No, but He blessed her. I'm with Hank Hanegraff on this one: ht.salemweb.net/oneplace/realanswers/mp3/bam27.mp3
@stoob1969 and it says give unto the lord the GLORY due his name, and responding to the other statement jesus wouldn't take her money because he didn't need her money. Remeber Jesus was an example of how we should be and once again the tithing law was for the levites, so it don't apply to us unless your a levite like i said if you want to tithe, go get some food and bring it to the church because they did have currency in the times of the bible so don't even use that excuse
@patcol82 and god created everything and everyone so if your gonna give it to god take it put it in a basket and burn it because thats how offerings were givin in the old testament not money, show me where we were suggested to give gold or silver to a temple, synagog, church, priest, preacher, or pastor
@patcol82 Malachi says 'you are robbing God, bring your tithes and offerings into the storehouse', i.e where you get your spiritual food, which should be the church. No wonder churches are in the state they are today when people keep money for themselves are decide to spend it on what they want.
@stoob1969 book and verse please and where does it say money gold or silver and who was he talking to, like i said pastors twist scriptures and give you things out of context, its like if someone was to take one of your sentences, add it to my sentence then you can make it mean what you want ex: God wants everything! Remeber Jesus was an example of how we should be, bring your tithes and offerings into the storehouse. It says bring an offering. I took bits and pieces and copied and pasted them
@patcol82 I've said about the storehouse. Proverbs 3:9-10 Honor the LORD with your WEALTH, with the firstfruits of all your crops; - in modern day terms, money if our harvest. ACTS 5:1-5:20 Ananias, with the consent of his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property but kept back some of the proceeds, and brought only a part and laid it at the apostles’ feet. ACTS 4:34-4:35 Sold possessions & laid it at the apostles feet. Malachi 3:10. Timothy 5:17-18 Genesis 14:18-20. Exodus 25:1-25:27. Amen
@stoob1969 the term money exists in the bible several times so you can throw that harvest meaning money crap out the window, and malachi 3:10 states bring ye all the tithesinto the storehouse, that there be MEAT in mine house. Key word meaning MEAT. in the days of old they were to bring an animal not money, so tithes were crops and offerings were ANIMALS that throws out you use of malachi next we'll go to acts.
@stoob1969 A 5:1-20read verse 3 peter asked anaias why did he lie (come on man) see your not reading the entire passage just one verse that apostle was sent to prison and anaias died read it again now to acts 4:34-35 continues ti 5:1-20
@stoob1969 I didn't see Rolls Royce in that verse. You have a house and car right? To a homeless poor person with NOTHING you appear to have the best of what life offers. Now the church members bought him his first Rolls Royce as a gift because of all the work he puts in. Have you ever seen the parking lot of the World Dome? He's not the only 1 with a Rolls Royce. You will see Bentley's, Mercedes, all manner of LUXURY cars and God said He will give us the desires of our hearts right?
@vkwill The bible says by their fruit you will know them, the disciples walked humbly with their God and gave everything to follow Jesus, Jesus said don't work for treasures on earth work for treasures in heaven. Luke 12:13-21, Funny you immediate think I was talking above Ceflo Dollar, that mans false teaching comes straight from Satan
@stoob1969 I agree their fruit will tell you about them. So helping millions, spreading the Gospel to millions, rebuilding communities, rebuilding cities in 3rd World Countries, teaching people about a walk with Christ isn't fruit? What is fruit then? I love when overly deep religious people say that, so tell me how do you work for treasures in Heaven? What treasures do you get in Heaven? If Jesus said Your Will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven, wouldn't those treasures translate to Earth?
@stoob1969 If you're not to work for treasures on Earth why work? Tell me that...why don't you go live in the wilderness and live off the land because everything you have is a treasure. Your car, house, tv, furniture, bed, clothes, computer, internet service, etc are all treasures. What Jesus meant was have stuff, don't let stuff have you. Remember God's blessing gave you that. King Solomon was the richest man EVER, how did he become the richest EVER? David wasn't broke. Abraham wasn't broke.
@stoob1969 if NONE of the men of God in the Bible lived poor, why do you feel we should today? If in the Old Covenant God provided for His saints, why under the New Covenant written in the blood of His Son which far surpasses the blood of goats & bulls leave us poor? How much sense does that make? Jesus said the enemy comes to steal, kill, & destroy, but He came to give life more abundantly. Now He can't mean spiritual life because Satan can't kill the spirit, only God can. What life then?
@stoob1969 Satan can't steal anything from Heaven, he can't kill anything in Heaven, and he can't destroy anything in Heaven, so what life could Jesus be refering to? If a Christian's only purpose is to go to Heaven and have the best why don't God take us after we say the sinner's prayer? When a person becomes so religious they are not earthly good they say things that make no sense and form their own opinions based on what someone else told them and not what God intended.
@vkwill What??! I hope you aren't one of those mentioned in 2 Timothy 4:3. God puts the desires in our hearts, look at Paul in prison, Stephen stoned, did they receive their hearts desires?Probably because they wanted God's will & God has their special rewards in heaven. You can't pick & choose a verse and apply that to your life without every other verse in context. These scam artist rich church leaders have made a business out of christianity, raping the poor and making them rich. God save us
@stoob1969 yes they received their hearts desires or you call God a liar. We don't know what Paul's desires were and you must also look at the time they lived in. The church was under attack from the government which is the total opposite of what we live in now, so you nor I know anything about that. Paul traveled a lot and last time I checked it costs money to travel and visit all these churches and countries. Where did the money come from? Paul didn't have a "job" did he?
@stoob1969 trust me, I read the Bible in context, that's why everything I say to you makes sense. On the other hand you have failed to answer questions I have posed. So when do you plan on selling EVERYTHING you have and giving it to the poor? House, cars, jewelry, furniture, etc? Why is it ok for you to have those things but not the man or woman of God? Or are you saying there is a cap we should place on things? If so WHO makes that cap? I didn't see God make a cap, so are you saying man does?
@stoob1969 Are you saying the only way to get treasures in Heaven is to get beaten or stoned & sent to prison? If that's the case a lot of inmates should be on God's speed dial list, & a lot of people like myself that have never been to prison is gonna be left out in the cold. That man-made theology you hold so dear to your heart has you blinded on reality & not understanding all the provision God has provided for you. He said He is calling a nation of kings and priests, ever seen a poor king?
@stoob1969 let's look at the kings in the Bible, we see King Saul, was he poor? How about King David? King Solomon? Abraham paid tithes to the King of Salem Melchizedek who was a type and shadow of Jesus and Hebrews chapter 7 says Jesus receives our tithes eternally according to the Order of Melchizedek. Notice how Abraham become rich and wealthy after that? Better yet tell me who was poor in the Bible.
@stoob1969 The Children of Israel leaving Egypt is a type & shadow of the New Covenant believer. Read what happened when they left Egypt. The Egyptians gave them ALL of their wealth. Where did they get the gold to build the golden calf? God was taking them to a land flowing with milk and honey, houses they didn't build, full of things they didn't buy. Now what provided that life for the Israelites? The Blood of the Lamb that was on the doorpost that freed them from bondage. Stop being a slave.
@vkwill sorry but riches are a snare as Jesus said, I'll pray for your sanity and soul. About the laodecean church in Revelation 3:17–18"Because you say, 'I am rich, and have gotten riches, and have need of nothing;' and don't know that you are the wretched one, miserable, poor, blind, and naked. I am not a slave of this world, Jesus set me free, I am free indeed.
@stoob1969 Yes putting riches out of their place is a snare. You still failed to answer ANY of my questions. Define "riches". How much is "riches"? Because to a person that has nothing looking at someone with $10 is riches, so do we stop at $10? Once again you just quote scripture without UNDERSTANDING scripture. So if you read something and don't understand it you are still a slave mentally.
@vkwill Enough. Listening to you reminds me of when the devil took Jesus up on the mountain and said to Jesus that he could have all of the earthly kingdom's riches if he bowed down to him. The bonded ameircan church, blinded slaves to men's teaches about being rich is bringing the church down to the devil's kingdom living. Be a berean and read the scriptures in context, don't listen to misguided men of selfish gain like Dollar, Price, Long, Jakes and others that make me spritually sick.
@stoob1969 enough of what? Don't ever compare me to the devil, I'm showing you TRUTH but you choose to be blind so you choose to have less. You choose to be the 3rd servant in the parable of the talents who took the gift of what his master gave him & instead of increasing it hides it in the ground. Notice how the 1st servant took his talents, went out & traded & made his master more? More of what? More riches!!! Notice how the master was upset at the 3rd but praised the 1st? That's business.
@vkwill that parable was about those that recieve the gospel of Jeus Christ should spread the gospel.the more you receve through Jesus Cjrist you should bring more peoplr to Jesus Christ."more riches" doesnt match scriptures about teasure in heaven not earth,sell all you have..and follow me and easier for a camel to walk thru a needle.the 3rd was punished because he took what Jesus Christ gave hm and kept it to himself.God doesnt need your money God needs you.
@ST8URCASE huh? How do you receive more of the Gospel? The Gospel of Jesus is the same as it has been for 2000 years. That doesn't even make sense. The 3rd servant hid what his master gave him and gave it back to the master, so he wasn't keeping it for himself. I suggest you read again. God doesn't need your money, but His people doing His Will does. This is the system we live in, tell me what church is being built for free today? Free TV Broadcasts? Free land to build on? I'll wait...
@vkwill you dont need tv,buildings or literature to tell people aout the blood of Jesus Christ and the mercy from God.youve been duped.we should take what talent God has given us and use it to bring people to God not to church buildings.we should take the gospel to them.Jesus Christ said"sell all you have,give it to the poor and follow me".He did not say sell it and give me the money.every example of money collected in nt was given to the poor as they needed.
@ST8URCASE once again religious thinking makes you of no earthly good. Jesus said go into the WORLD & preach the gospel right? How many people can you reach from your sidewalk as opposed to someone with an INTERNATIONAL tv broadcast? Jesus said sell all you have so I assume you are replying to me from a public library because you would have sold your house, computer, etc correct? Remember the poor woman who gave her last & Jesus commented on it? She was poor, why didn't she keep her money?
@vkwill Jesus made a comment about the poor woman giving her last coin but I don't think it was commending her, but criticising the system!
Re your international TV comment: I actually think it’s a very bad idea, it doesn’t work as the enemy always corrupts it! I can't even think of an honest TV network without Illuminati crooks involved, that doesn’t have false preachers preaching false doctrine, & that never asks for your money. Sharing the gospel one-to-one is far better than trusting TV.
@MustaffaCuppa Jesus pointed the woman out & commended her faith for giving all she had & others had more & didn't. Everything in this world is corrupted so you can't run from corruption. Churches, preachers, etc so how does someone know if the church on the corner or the preacher is telling them the right thing? That little voice called the Holy Spirit is how, which means He'll also tell you which tv preachers are corrupt. If you think you reach more people by mouth than tv, you're mistaken.
@vkwill Actually I don't think I'd reach more people by mouth than by TV. Nor did I suggest it. However, the fact that the TV networks are showing corruption right, left & centre, means that LOTS of people are hearing WRONG doctrine & watered-down stuff. The Holy Spirit showed me there are no TV networks to trust, & VERY few preachers worth listening to - so it's far better to avoid TV than hear rubbish. That's why a saved child of God sharing the Gospel of Jesus face to face is far better!
@ST8URCASE that 1 comment shows that all of your religious jargon makes no sense. God gave you a brain for a reason, use it. How many times have you stood on the corner and preached? How many people turned their lives to Christ? Now how many people do you think watch television broadcasts & turn to Christ? Instead of trying to argue a point that makes absolutely no sense you should probably start placing ALL of your earthly valuables on ebay or craigslist if you're going to do what Jesus said.
THey place us under CURSES when they tell us we are poor because we are not tithing! The poor in the Bible NEVER tithed since they received tithed. You can't pay tithes AND receive tithes. Tithes was the Law. Tithing puts you under the obligation of the Law and we are no longer under the Law. Now If you feel like tithing and can afford, good for you. When the poor widow pays her 2 mites, Jesus does not scold her! Instead he says the gave MORE to the Temple than the rich man before her!
Oh my God this is sick. Tim what happend to you man? where is your brain? how can you let this happen to you?
people wake up! your salvation doesn't depend on tithing! You have salvation becuase of the complete work of Jesus Christ. what ever happend to John 3:16
Pls ppl use your mind that God has given you. Think for yourself.
boy....u can tell were living in the end times!! Now folks don't wanna pay tithe....sad! the money should be for the poor & down trodden. the people that complaining about not wanting to pay tithes are probably rich. It is proven that poor & middle class people give more than the wealthy.
@MsKittenz1 I'm broke and I wouldn't mind paying tithes if I could but I can't. and if I do I have to sacrifice the little that I have and my debts are still here and touching the ceiling !!!! I do help the poor by givins and helping but I can not always give money. My pastor saiys tht if you don't pay tithes you are going to hell.
Some say tithe others say don't. I don't know is right or wrong and brings confusion more than anything
@OMANI91 Google "Should the church teach tithing" and you'll find Dr. Russell Kelly's fine book. Tithing is NOT a New Covenant doctrine. Study and you'll find the truth.
@OMANI91 God is not the author of confusion. Let the Lord lead and guide you gently in his perfect wisdom. I tithed for yrs and God took care of me just fine. Ive not tithed for more yrs and God still loves me and takes care of me. God wants cheerful givers and tithing is like an obligation and there is no joy in that sometimes. I think everyone needs to work out thier own salvation . Seeking the truth from the word of God and then let the holy spirit help you to do whats best.
@MsKittenz1 Well, you know the bible gave many signs of the end times......However, I do NOT, recall tithing or the not paying of tithes being one of those signs. You are obviously one that has been taught and believe this false doctrine, That Jesus Christ saved you, just to put a curse on you for not doing what you were NEVER commanded to do. Unless you are of one of the 12 tribes... SMH sad indeed.
They are getting richer. They are buying all the things they want and securing their families future while the members of their congrigation are forclosing, takeing buses or struggling to pay their bills.
This is sad but it happens all the time.
Once I heard a pastor say if you're having a hard time you MUST TITHE you can't afford Not to tithe?
I knew I was not going to be manupilated like that. I did not go back to that church.
1 Corinthians 9: 13Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
Those who preach the gospel should live of the gospel is fine. This has nothing to do with the Tithe.
The Tithe is defined as "grain from the soil or fruit from the trees", and "every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd’s rod" (Lev 27:30,32).
The Tithe is part of the law that was fulfilled with Jesus' death. It's time to stop scrambling to fulfill the laws and regulations of the Old Covenant and accept the New Covenant, one where we share with all who have need.
Hebrews 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Examine it thoroughly. Does it tell us to tithe? Does it tell anyone to tithe? Does it say Abraham tithed?
No. It says Levi tithed to Jesus, therefore, Jesus is a higher and better Priest than they are.
Heb 8:1
Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven.
That is the point of Hebrews 7. Not to carry over the Tithe (which is defined as FOOD in Lev 27:30-34).
Acts 4:35And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. 36And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, 37Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Distributing according to need is something I can agree with.
But does the Church do this? Does the Tithe do this? Or does the Tithe take from EVERYONE, and give to those who aren't in need? Is this what the Biblical tithe did?
When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied.
Philippians 4:15 Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.
17Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account. 18But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.
Luke 8:1 And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him, 2And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, 3And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Notice who Jesus was speaking to. Scribes and Pharisees. Notice what Jesus said about the Tithe. It was a matter of the law. Notice what Jesus has done to the law. He has fulfilled the law.
Did the New Covenant begin with Jesus' birth, or with His death? Don't we all sing about how it's His blood shed for us that pays for our sins? Then it's His death that rings in the New Covenant.
So of course the Old Covenant was still in effect while Jesus was alive and teaching.
Romans 15:4For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
So while I disagree with everything you said, I do thank you for finally being willing to discuss your views. And I urge you to open your Bible, pray long and hard, and open yourself up to the possibility that you may be wrong.
Only then can we see the Truth, when we, fallible man, open ourselves up to correction and learning.
@blueskunk12 Just this once I'm going to go back on my word and respond to you. After this, I will not again. I don't appreciate your words, nor attitude. You have been rude and childish. I have no intention on arguing the bible. I will simply post scripture and let God have His way. You have no authority here. You are not saved. You do not know Christ for the pardoning of your sins.
John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
The fact is, the Tithe as the Church teaches is unBiblical.
The Biblical Tithe was 10% of the food produced in Israel. The Tithe was a COMMAND from God for the Israelites. The Tithe went to the poor who had no way to support themselves. The Tithe ended at the Cross. We now have a new and better Covenant, one based on spirit-led giving to those who are in need.
The Church is not a building; it is those inside the building. Open your eyes, your mind, your heart to the truth.
Genesis 28: 20And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, 21So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: 22And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.
Notice what Jacob said. "If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, so that I come again to my father's house in peace; THEN shall the LORD be my God...."
Is this the type of tithe vow we should make? We should all give God a list of all our wants and needs and tell God that if He completes our list, THEN we will Tithe.
The Sabbath is Frid @ 6p till Sat. @6p I wish someone would take a survey to see how many people that believe in the tithe mandate are also keeping the Sabbath mandate and how many of them have circumcised their male babies on his 8th day of life by a Priest? IF THEY ARE NOT KEEPING THE OTHER LAWS, THEY HAVE VOIDED THE ONES THEY KEPT ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE.
It is called selective picking one law when all 613 had to be kept under the Old Covenant again it was a crime to break any one of them!
I notice that whenever people that demand that Christians keep the tithe law are asked if they are keeping the Sabbath and circumcision law they never answer back. The Sabbath means resting with no activity from Frid @ 6 to Sat @ 6 no blogging, no driving, no cooking, prepare your meal the day before, TV no leisure activities at all, no texting or phone calls on the Sabbath. They ignore that all 613 laws had to be kept. Seems like they are stuck on the tithng law only.,
I respectfully disagree that all people who are not tithing are not managing their money. Firsf of all they may be out of work or not receiving money to tithe.
The poor in the Old Testament recieved the tithes. That's what the tithe (food) was for. The Tithe in Malachi was food, not gold or silver coins!
I have given all the scriptures on grace vs law that I will give. We will respectfully agree to disagree. U keep the law and I will receive God free gift of Grace. I'll give as Paul Instructed in 2nd Corinthian 9:7 VOLUNTARILY! I pray one day all will learn what Grace means and how God's grace is available daily for free, thanks to the payment Jesus made. You missed an important word in your verse that Heaven & earth will not pass away from the law. The word you failed to understand is UNTIL!.
I have given all the scriptures on grace vs law that I will give. We will respectfully agree to disagree. U keep the law and I will receive God free gift of Grace and give as Paul Instructed in 2nd Corinthian 9:7 voluntarily. I pray one day you will learn what Grace means and how God's grace t is available daily for free thanks to the payment Jesus made. You missed an important word in your verse that Heaven & earth will not pass away from the law. The word you failed to understand is UNTIL!.
Galatians 3:12 "However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM."
Galatians 3:13 "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us-- for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE "--
Galatians 3:14 "so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised by faith
There is one mention to tithe by Jesus in Matthew 23:23 but since he had not yet gone to the Cross to fulfill the law or said paid in full, the Old Covenat law was still in effect!
Christians should be taught to start Giving & stop paying. He already did the paying for U. Quote the word to people to help them wake up and learn the meaning of Grace. Don't be robbed of Gods gift of daily Grace!
He is your Grace, period!
Whoever said He pd. a debt he did not owe, for a debt we could not pay
Galatians 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Acts 15:24 "Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions", (on keeping the laws of Moses/ circumcisions)
Ttithing is a modern day stronghold that is working to diminish Grace & Jesus work on the Cross. It is causing people to boast and glory in their own paymt, instead of the paymt Jesus made for us on the Cross.
B cuz so many fail to understand what Jesus meant when he said Paid in full as in it is finished people are being duped into paying for what Jesus already paid for. Plus if they don't they believe they will be cursed!
Gal.3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law!
@NotFlaking Tithing is not a stronghold. Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? What Christ did on the cross was to reconcile us with God, not remove our works. Christ spoke in the perfect tense in Greek when He said "it is finished." He was speaking into eternity about our reconciliation with God. After all, Matt 5:17 says Christ didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill the law. And yes, He is coming back again for it is not yet done. His redemptive work is done, He has more to do yet.
@christianpreachr Come with Scriptures please and not your own ideology. Yes he fulfilled the law what other scriptures do you have to back up that Jesus partially fulffilled the law?
When I said tithing was a stronghold I meant it is causing the bondage and stronghold of fear, guilt and condemnation in many people who cannot pay ten percent of their gross money because they are being told they are under the Old Covenant Malachi curse and not being told Christ redeemed them from the curse of the law.
lol@vid
Thia911 1 week ago
Nehemiah 13:5 Tithe was only payed to the levites and since we are not levites we dont tithe!! these two pastors of the devil will burn in hell for misleading people with false doctrine
Soul7Patrol 2 weeks ago
Tithing is like a membership to a country club... If you pay your fees, then you can fit in and be accepted. Did Jesus charge people to listen to His sermons?
caycug1 2 months ago
@caycug1 Nope. But he didn't have a building or hired staff either. It's fine if people don't want to give any money, I don't think it's required either, but in that case we should all just start meeting in a grass field rain or shine. I see nothing wrong with that, I would do it, but many wouldn't. And that's the problem. They will only come to church at a nice building with air conditioning, but they won't support it financially. They ride on other people's sacrifice.
shipleyshipster 2 months ago
@shipleyshipster I don't have a problem with giving money to a church... It's when they make it sound like it's biblically required that I have a problem with. If someone wants to be a member of a formal church building, then they should have to sign a membership agreement, just like the health clubs do... That way they know what they are signing up for. But to make someone feel like their sinning by not tithing... that ain't right.
caycug1 2 months ago
Yes those Gentiles did call upon, but still. In the days of the apostles, the word "Christian" was a term of derision that was used by their enemies. Instead of being accompliment - or even a status symbol (as it sometimes is, today) - it was an insult. A person who became a follower (disciple) of Jesus experienced a radical change in values, attitudes and actions - and the world mocked such people by calling them "Christians."
kalaworld 3 months ago
Act11:26And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Church of Antioch-Gentiles first was Christians
kalaworld 3 months ago
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The first church was Jesus preaching outside.
Act 2 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
The day of Pentecost was the birth of Christianity.The first church inside a building was the Pentecostal church.
imthemandawg 3 months ago
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@imthemandawg Act11:26And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Church of Antioch-Gentiles first was Christians
kalaworld 3 months ago
Use my hands,use my feet just don't ask me to give up my money.
This comment is aimed at truth twisters not the very poor who need to take care of their own family.
imthemandawg 3 months ago
Congratulations on everyone here diving into their Bibles to find verses justifying them for not sacrificing anything for God.
ShortenDavid 3 months ago
This is why I give all my money to the Easter Bunny.
gravitywheel 4 months ago
@gravitywheel
So it is true atheists do have imaginary friends.Next you be expecting presents from santa clause.
imthemandawg 3 months ago
@imthemandawg The Tim Allen movie?
gravitywheel 3 months ago
@gravitywheel The Easter Bunny is a form of God you do know that right.
kalaworld 3 months ago
@kalaworld Well, yeah. He's a bastardization of a pagan icon.
But seriously, have you never heard of sarcasm?
gravitywheel 3 months ago
@gravitywheel How would I know what you meant, I don't know you are your sense of humor.
kalaworld 3 months ago
@kalaworld Because, how/why the hell would a person actually give all of their money to the Easter Bunny?
gravitywheel 3 months ago
@gravitywheel The same reason why people give their money to pastors. Also, the same reason why people go into debt trying to celebrate Christmas, Santa Clause(A form of God).
kalaworld 3 months ago
@kalaworld Ahh, so you thought I was speaking metaphorically. I see.
No. I was being facetious.
gravitywheel 3 months ago
@gravitywheel Understood sorry.
kalaworld 3 months ago
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imthemandawg 3 months ago
@ malachiprophet
How do you expect churches to pay their bills? with fruits and vegges? I don't think so.
wwwuraRetard 4 months ago
@wwwuraRetard We are the church, a building is just a place.
kalaworld 4 months ago
@kalaworld
That's just your way of sliding out from what G-D is asking each believer to do.
imthemandawg 3 months ago
@imthemandawg One if your talking about tithing. Oh, I do give but not for the reasons people say to give for or how to give. I do my part by feeding people you know the same way people did it the bible. When people tithe it had nothing to do with money and if it did it was always, what people stole and gave it ALL to the people not to the church or pastor. Being a believer doesn't always mean its truth. Even Satan and the Demons believed.
kalaworld 3 months ago
@imthemandawg "That's just your way of sliding out from what G-D is asking each believer to do." Do you know everyone doesnt have the same job as others. Everyone is an individual what he told you to do may not be what he told me to do. Other words are you sure your hearing from Yahweh, its possible for people to work for jesus and be fired at the same time. You saying God I know good and well you not hearing from God no one but Yahweh can speak to him. I pray that you read you bible so that
kalaworld 3 months ago
@imthemandawg you don't suffer from the lack of Knowledge.
kalaworld 3 months ago
@imthemandawg What does associating with people of low position; have to do with people having different jobs. Right I never said that you were less than, what I tried to tell you were your job has nothing to do with mines. So no it isn’t my way of sliding out from what God is asking each believer to do. I don’t do stuff my way I act when Jesus tells me to do stuff, not men. I do not wish to call myself a Christian, I am not a Gentile.
kalaworld 3 months ago
@kalaworld
Since you are not a Christian what you believe about Christians giving money to churches means diddly squat.
imthemandawg 3 months ago
@imthemandawg Can't get mad at me for using the word, its in the bible. I can see what you mean. There is a difference between Disciples of Christ and Christians. When a Christian use the bible the wrong way thats when I comment on stuff like this. The reason why I am not a Christian is because it was orginated in the Church of Antioch,Gentiles was the first Christians. Christian is a mockery name for Disciples of Chist. Most people wouldn't know these things, if people like me
kalaworld 3 months ago
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imthemandawg 3 months ago
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@imthemandawg Yes those Gentiles did call upon, but still. In the days of the apostles, the word "Christian" was a term of derision that was used by their enemies. Instead of being accompliment - or even a status symbol (as it sometimes is, today) - it was an insult. A person who became a follower (disciple) of Jesus experienced a radical change in values, attitudes and actions - and the world mocked such people by calling them "Christians."
kalaworld 3 months ago
@imthemandawg Same as calling a gay person a fag. Christian was rarely used the word "Christian" occurs only three times, and when we examine the passages in which it occurs, we discover that, in each instance, it is compatible (or even synonymous) with the word "disciple." In one instance, it is directly connected with that word. In the New Testament it identifies those who said they were Christians weren’t.
Religion had nothing to do with the plan, only the relationship with who god sent.
kalaworld 3 months ago
@imthemandawg me didn't help people out. I am also commenting because MSI'S Mind Screwing Institutions, (what folks call church today). Hide the true meaning of Christ.
kalaworld 3 months ago
@imthemandawg Insults, I never insulted you I asked you was you sure you was hearing from Yahweh. If you’re just starting to learn about this stuff, I apologize but need I remind you. You’re the one who comment acting as if you knew a lot more.
kalaworld 3 months ago
@kalaworld; You never insulted?
Remember this comment " You don't suffer from the lack of Knowledge"
Luke 20;
22 Is it right for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?” 23 He saw through their duplicity and said to them, 24 “Show me a denarius. Whose image and inscription are on it?” “Caesar’s,” they replied. 25 He said to them, “Then give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
imthemandawg 3 months ago
As I said, Matthew 23:23 is a New Testament affirmation of the tithe.
cali5995 5 months ago
@cali5995 have you paid your tithe of mint and anise and cummin today? Have you followed the requirments of the law and given your tithe where the Bible says you must? No?
So you decide to change the requirments of the law with regard to tithing to fit what you want it to be? If today we are under this law whereever we are in the world (which is against scripture) than the pastors leading churches are robbing God as the tithe of the tithe is not making it to the storehouse to help the needy.
jrmaximus 5 months ago
@jrmaximus Jesus was accusing the Pharisees about being absolutely anal about the letter of the Law, while the neglected mercy and justice. Yes, I believe we are to tithe all of our blessings. No, I do not do that perfectly -- not because I have "chnaged the law," but because I still sin. That is not an excuse, I strive to be more and more obedient and sin less and less. The fact that we are sinners does not mean that the moral law is abrogated.
cali5995 4 months ago
@cali5995 If you feel God has put it on your heart to tithe then you need to tithe. What is at issue is when preachers and teachers teach that tithing is a law that believers must obey.
They neglect the requirements and proceedures associated with tithing as it was laid out to the Jews.
According to the scriptures those who collect the tithe in these churches are the ones robbing God as they are neither Levites nor is a tithe of the tithe going into the storehouse as defined by scripture.
jrmaximus 4 months ago
Ten percent of everything we receive and have is the minimum we should give to the Church. Yes, we are to do so cheerfully and not under compulsion, but Jesus says that we ought to seek justice, mercy, and faithfulness, and giving the thithe. See Matthew 23:23.
cali5995 5 months ago
@cali5995 Says who? Show me the scripture that says we must give a minimum of 10% what we receive in money and give it to the church. The tithe - always the increase from the land of Israel. Always given only to the Levites. Where does the bible tell us that the churches of today take over or the preachers can now take the tithe rather than the Levites. Giving to further Gods work and to help the needy is fundemental to Godly character. Forcing tithing money to churches as Gods law is not.
jrmaximus 5 months ago
lol
trinislobo 5 months ago
Tithing is NOT required. The bible says you should give from the heart and let no one compel you to give. You have it backwards my friends. Only food could be given as a Tithe and only to Levite Priests. It could only be converted to money for those who lived far away and had to be converted back to food once you got into town. I know EVERY bit of scripture on Tithing and it is NOT for Christians. It could only be paid by Israelite farmers and herdsmen, no other profession could give it.
SacredSocietyAP 6 months ago 2
@SacredSocietyAP Well said.
1JesusIsourLord 5 months ago
In answer to 'Abraham's tithing' -put very very basic and short - some bad kings attacked some good kings and took all their stuff- Abraham took his men and attacked the bad kings and got the stuff back- Abraham took a 10th of the good kings stuff that he got back and gave it to the high priest Melchezidek-Abraham gave the remaining 90% back to the kings who lost it in the first place. Abraham did not tithe his property or his own gain.
jrmaximus 6 months ago
@jrmaximus I suggest you read over that part again. The good king's things weren't the only things taken. Lot was also taken along with everything he had and was over showing "Abraham's things". That's why he went and got it back. He returned the king's possessions to him and the king wanted to pay him out of that, but Abraham paid a tithe to Melchizedek from possessions he took from the evil kings and told the good king to keep his possessions.
vkwill 6 months ago
@vkwill Yes-to add more detail to my simplifying of the story, Abrahams motivation was that Lot had been taken but no - Abrahams possessions were not taken. Lot's possessions were taken (unless you can quote a passage that says otherwise) .
And they took all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah, and all their victuals, and went their way. And they took Lot, Abram's brother's son, who dwelt in Sodom, and his goods, and departed.
(Gen 14:11-12)
jrmaximus 6 months ago
Pauls words -
I never desired anyone's silver, gold, or clothes. You yourselves know that I worked with my own hands to support myself and those who were with me. In every way I showed you that by working hard like this we should help the weak and remember the words that the Lord Jesus himself said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'"
(Act 20:33-35)
Maybe the question is - is the present church heirarchy what God intended?
jrmaximus 6 months ago
Ok, I have a question. Lets just say you are a pastor how are you sposed to fund your church and fund your needs (like food , shelter ect?). Please give me bible references in your answer, thank you!
musichalloffame 7 months ago
Hehehe that was funny! Thanks for posting.
I’m glad I'm free from the bondage of tithing. I did so for years (& found it hard) before I learned it is not for today.
Many pastors are teaching it as mandatory, & that’s unbiblical. The tithe was only for a particular time in history, & it wasn't actually money, but food for the Levite priests!
We don't have to give a set amount to any church & greedy pastors are banking (literally) on people's ignorance...
MustaffaCuppa 7 months ago
@MustaffaCuppa
What about Abraham's tithing? There was no Levi priests then.
daro2096 6 months ago 2
@daro2096 if you look at Abrams tithe as a model for present day giving you must realize something - Abram went to war on behalf of the sodomites and defeated the sodomite enemy, he then took the stuff that had been stolen by Chedorlaomer and, on the way back home met Melchizedek and gave him one tenth of the sodomites goods, along with one tenth of Lots stuff. How is this one off, never to be repeated act by Abram, who gave other peoples stuff away, a model for tithing today?
etherform66 4 months ago
@etherform66
Have you read what the New Testament says?
Christ is our High Priest of the order of Melchizedek. Chrsitians are the servants or followers of Christ. Abraham gave the example of Tithing. We are at war, a war between Christ and Satan. Malchi says withholding tithe is robbing God. The tithe is not ours it belongs to God and we are supposed to return it.
We are supposed to pay our tithe and offerings. Pastors and church workers in the field are paid from the tithe.
daro2096 4 months ago
@daro2096 Abraham also sacrificed animals - do we follow this example too? You are decietful. Tithing had nothing at all to do with money - money was paid to priests via sin, atonement and redemption monies. Tithe could only be taken up in Jerusalem by the Levites and if Jerusalem was too far away, tithes (corn oil etc) could be exchanged for money and used to purchase alchohol for the purpose of celebrating. Tithes are no longer mandated for NT christians - liberal giving is. Repent.
etherform66 4 months ago
@etherform66
Repent?
Thou shalt not steal. The tithe does not belong to you, it belongs to God. Jerusalem in the New Testament is the church. It is not any literal location on Earth.
God expects us to obey. If you are witholding tithe you are robbing God, you are a thief and no thief will enter the kingdom of God.
You are the one who needs to repent, hypocrite.
daro2096 4 months ago
@daro2096
Revelation 3:12 / Revelation 21:2 / Revelation 21:8-10
If the bible is true each of these prooves that New Jerusalem is not the Christian church and is not on the earth yet.
Looks like you need to study your bible more,But i trust you to continue in your ignorance being a blind teacher lying to yourself and decieving other christians.
Another christian corrected by an atheist using their owns words against them.Just how stupid are you people?
wwwuraRetard 4 months ago
@daro2096 If you are going to insist on maintaining old testament commands you had better embrace them all dero... you dont get to pick and choose which ones you want. There were 613 OT laws given - funny how you pick the one that has the potential to make you cash (if you twist it enough) and overlook the other 612 laws hahaha The reason you live in poverty is because you are under a curse! Serpent ! You mix law and grace - Paul warned the Galatians about your sort!
etherform66 4 months ago
@daro2096 Christians back in those days and still are Gentiles. Christians orginated in the Church of Antioch they was the first Christian Gentile. The true followers of Christ have been and is still is called Disciples of Christ. Acts11:19-26. Christians is a mockery of the Disciples of Christ Robbing funny didn't the people who did tithing steal what they gave.
kalaworld 3 months ago
I give to God's work, 10% is a good guideline. So give, laugh ,trust, and walk the walk.
Don't worry about legalism or todo/nottodo.
If you have the Comforter He will lead you into all truth.
Yikes so many "opinions" only one is correct, God's.
TR5T 7 months ago
Gotta love how they say we're not under the law yet still say we're under the law.
FAITHandLOGIC 7 months ago
You would have to be braindead to tithe. Next you would have to start sacrificing unblemished animals, observing every feast or holy day including the strict diet observed by the paharisees, and having your manhood reduced at eight days old - ouch.
WTU208 7 months ago
LOL for you people that go to church & say it's wrong to tithe, answer this 1 question for me. Have you seen someone give a piece of land for a church for free? What about the building? What about the electricity & other utilities in the church? How are those things supposed to get paid if people don't tithe? I got it bake sales and rummage sales right? How about a World's Finest Chocolate Fundraiser? What do you suggest people do to accomplish what Jesus told us to do in spreading the Gospel?
vkwill 8 months ago
@vkwill Show me where God has said to give to help pay for land and a building, mortgages, soft cushy chairs, big fancy sound systems and high paid preachers and I'll show you a hundred places God calls us to use what we have to help those in need around us.
The house of God is not a place or building it is a people.
jrmaximus 6 months ago
@jrmaximus I'll field this question thank you. Genesis28-20-22 say to tithe a full 10% of what you earn. I presume this is what you earn before taxes, or so a Church told my Father once. Liviticus27-30-32 says to tithe 20%. So tithe your balls off to the parasites who run your church. Your a worthless Christian if you do less. This is because your imaginary friends love you.
bigboy45454545 6 months ago
@bigboy45454545 I think you're agreeing with me. Sure sounds like you're a little bitter toward 'parasites'. ;-)
There are actually many who are preaching this tithing teaching because they have been deceived themselves and have been sucked into the system but are not deliberately trying to be deceptive. Hope they smarten up.
Gen 28:20-22 however does not say to tithe in fact. It's Jacob making a vow to God-'Do these things for me God and I'll give 10%'. God didn't tell or ask him to ever.
jrmaximus 6 months ago
this is stupid. thats a terribly mocking video. that is not how it really is. and although there are people who are like that they only call themselves christians. they give the real christians a bad name. but please know that that is not the real deal. people only see the bad parts of " christianity ". in reality it isnt christianity at all. don't be fooled by what the world wants you to see. this is not the real way it is.
Kilamanjaro96 8 months ago
I agree mostly with this, however tithing has always been lawfully about giving 10% of your INCOME, some believe before tax however I believe it's your income so that's after you've been tax. The bible doesn't empty the tithing request, but if Jesus fulfilled the law, then you still give 10% & over to God's work. Malachi says bring it to he storehouse, so what I interpret that, is give to where you get your spiritual food i.e. your church and more to other Godly interests. But how God leads you.
stoob1969 9 months ago
@stoob1969 thats where you messed up, you tried to interpret. Its clear tithes was in the form of food and was for the levites, are you a levite? Also they had to give 10% of their increase, not income so even if it was money you give based on how much you increase. Churches use that lie to get you to pay their bills, if you start a house then you are responsible for the bills, it cost nothing to go into the streets and preach the gospel
patcol82 9 months ago
@patcol82 Jesus commented about the widow who gave all she had to the church, the new testament has never done away with giving money to the church, I suggest you read your bible again.
stoob1969 9 months ago
@stoob1969 read it again, he was showing an example of how the poor would give all they have and how the leaders were taking advantage of the poor and how the rich wouldn't give much of anything, there were no where in that passage demanding us to tithe now you read your bible again because there is a difference between tithing to a church and giving DIRECTLY to the poor
patcol82 9 months ago
@patcol82 She wasn't giving to the poor, she was giving to the church, how can she give to the poor if she is poor herself? Regardless of the main point to Jesus' story, He never ruled out giving tithes to the church. Psalm 96:8 'bring an offering and come into his courts.' We are meant to respect our leaders and trust that they give the money to the appropriate places. 'You will recognise them by their fruit' If the leaders drive Rolls Royces, then obviously theres something wrong!
stoob1969 9 months ago
@stoob1969 Yeah see you read what you want to read. If you can't even read what i said correctly then you definately can't read the bible correctly, where did I say she gave that money to the poor and in the scripture you gave once again where does it say give money to a leader, it says bring an offering not gold or silver. see you believe because a pastor says money is offering that money is offering, an offering a a sacrifice and you had to burn that. God does not need your money
patcol82 9 months ago
@patcol82 God does not need your money? God wants everything! You are mishearing me, we are not under the law but the new covenant is the fulfillment of the law, we give over and above what we have and trust God with our money. Did Jesus say 'No poor widow, don't give your mite'? No, but He blessed her. I'm with Hank Hanegraff on this one: ht.salemweb.net/oneplace/realanswers/mp3/bam27.mp3
stoob1969 9 months ago
@stoob1969 and it says give unto the lord the GLORY due his name, and responding to the other statement jesus wouldn't take her money because he didn't need her money. Remeber Jesus was an example of how we should be and once again the tithing law was for the levites, so it don't apply to us unless your a levite like i said if you want to tithe, go get some food and bring it to the church because they did have currency in the times of the bible so don't even use that excuse
patcol82 9 months ago
@patcol82 and god created everything and everyone so if your gonna give it to god take it put it in a basket and burn it because thats how offerings were givin in the old testament not money, show me where we were suggested to give gold or silver to a temple, synagog, church, priest, preacher, or pastor
patcol82 9 months ago
@patcol82 Malachi says 'you are robbing God, bring your tithes and offerings into the storehouse', i.e where you get your spiritual food, which should be the church. No wonder churches are in the state they are today when people keep money for themselves are decide to spend it on what they want.
stoob1969 9 months ago
@stoob1969 book and verse please and where does it say money gold or silver and who was he talking to, like i said pastors twist scriptures and give you things out of context, its like if someone was to take one of your sentences, add it to my sentence then you can make it mean what you want ex: God wants everything! Remeber Jesus was an example of how we should be, bring your tithes and offerings into the storehouse. It says bring an offering. I took bits and pieces and copied and pasted them
patcol82 9 months ago
@patcol82 I've said about the storehouse. Proverbs 3:9-10 Honor the LORD with your WEALTH, with the firstfruits of all your crops; - in modern day terms, money if our harvest. ACTS 5:1-5:20 Ananias, with the consent of his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property but kept back some of the proceeds, and brought only a part and laid it at the apostles’ feet. ACTS 4:34-4:35 Sold possessions & laid it at the apostles feet. Malachi 3:10. Timothy 5:17-18 Genesis 14:18-20. Exodus 25:1-25:27. Amen
stoob1969 9 months ago
@stoob1969 the term money exists in the bible several times so you can throw that harvest meaning money crap out the window, and malachi 3:10 states bring ye all the tithesinto the storehouse, that there be MEAT in mine house. Key word meaning MEAT. in the days of old they were to bring an animal not money, so tithes were crops and offerings were ANIMALS that throws out you use of malachi next we'll go to acts.
patcol82 9 months ago
@patcol82 How many passages on money do you need? Are we all farmers?
I give up.
stoob1969 9 months ago
@stoob1969 got this one kinda late lol
patcol82 9 months ago
@stoob1969 A 5:1-20read verse 3 peter asked anaias why did he lie (come on man) see your not reading the entire passage just one verse that apostle was sent to prison and anaias died read it again now to acts 4:34-35 continues ti 5:1-20
patcol82 9 months ago
@patcol82 Enough already.
stoob1969 9 months ago
@stoob1969 that statement can be taken out of context and made to look like we're agreeing instead of debating
patcol82 9 months ago
@stoob1969 how is it wrong to drive a Rolls Royce? I never saw that in the Bible.
vkwill 8 months ago
@vkwill 1 Peter 5:2-6
stoob1969 8 months ago
@stoob1969 I didn't see Rolls Royce in that verse. You have a house and car right? To a homeless poor person with NOTHING you appear to have the best of what life offers. Now the church members bought him his first Rolls Royce as a gift because of all the work he puts in. Have you ever seen the parking lot of the World Dome? He's not the only 1 with a Rolls Royce. You will see Bentley's, Mercedes, all manner of LUXURY cars and God said He will give us the desires of our hearts right?
vkwill 8 months ago
@vkwill The bible says by their fruit you will know them, the disciples walked humbly with their God and gave everything to follow Jesus, Jesus said don't work for treasures on earth work for treasures in heaven. Luke 12:13-21, Funny you immediate think I was talking above Ceflo Dollar, that mans false teaching comes straight from Satan
stoob1969 8 months ago
@stoob1969 I agree their fruit will tell you about them. So helping millions, spreading the Gospel to millions, rebuilding communities, rebuilding cities in 3rd World Countries, teaching people about a walk with Christ isn't fruit? What is fruit then? I love when overly deep religious people say that, so tell me how do you work for treasures in Heaven? What treasures do you get in Heaven? If Jesus said Your Will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven, wouldn't those treasures translate to Earth?
vkwill 8 months ago
@stoob1969 If you're not to work for treasures on Earth why work? Tell me that...why don't you go live in the wilderness and live off the land because everything you have is a treasure. Your car, house, tv, furniture, bed, clothes, computer, internet service, etc are all treasures. What Jesus meant was have stuff, don't let stuff have you. Remember God's blessing gave you that. King Solomon was the richest man EVER, how did he become the richest EVER? David wasn't broke. Abraham wasn't broke.
vkwill 8 months ago
@stoob1969 if NONE of the men of God in the Bible lived poor, why do you feel we should today? If in the Old Covenant God provided for His saints, why under the New Covenant written in the blood of His Son which far surpasses the blood of goats & bulls leave us poor? How much sense does that make? Jesus said the enemy comes to steal, kill, & destroy, but He came to give life more abundantly. Now He can't mean spiritual life because Satan can't kill the spirit, only God can. What life then?
vkwill 8 months ago
@stoob1969 Satan can't steal anything from Heaven, he can't kill anything in Heaven, and he can't destroy anything in Heaven, so what life could Jesus be refering to? If a Christian's only purpose is to go to Heaven and have the best why don't God take us after we say the sinner's prayer? When a person becomes so religious they are not earthly good they say things that make no sense and form their own opinions based on what someone else told them and not what God intended.
vkwill 8 months ago
@vkwill What??! I hope you aren't one of those mentioned in 2 Timothy 4:3. God puts the desires in our hearts, look at Paul in prison, Stephen stoned, did they receive their hearts desires?Probably because they wanted God's will & God has their special rewards in heaven. You can't pick & choose a verse and apply that to your life without every other verse in context. These scam artist rich church leaders have made a business out of christianity, raping the poor and making them rich. God save us
stoob1969 8 months ago
@stoob1969 yes they received their hearts desires or you call God a liar. We don't know what Paul's desires were and you must also look at the time they lived in. The church was under attack from the government which is the total opposite of what we live in now, so you nor I know anything about that. Paul traveled a lot and last time I checked it costs money to travel and visit all these churches and countries. Where did the money come from? Paul didn't have a "job" did he?
vkwill 8 months ago
@stoob1969 trust me, I read the Bible in context, that's why everything I say to you makes sense. On the other hand you have failed to answer questions I have posed. So when do you plan on selling EVERYTHING you have and giving it to the poor? House, cars, jewelry, furniture, etc? Why is it ok for you to have those things but not the man or woman of God? Or are you saying there is a cap we should place on things? If so WHO makes that cap? I didn't see God make a cap, so are you saying man does?
vkwill 8 months ago
@stoob1969 Are you saying the only way to get treasures in Heaven is to get beaten or stoned & sent to prison? If that's the case a lot of inmates should be on God's speed dial list, & a lot of people like myself that have never been to prison is gonna be left out in the cold. That man-made theology you hold so dear to your heart has you blinded on reality & not understanding all the provision God has provided for you. He said He is calling a nation of kings and priests, ever seen a poor king?
vkwill 8 months ago
@stoob1969 let's look at the kings in the Bible, we see King Saul, was he poor? How about King David? King Solomon? Abraham paid tithes to the King of Salem Melchizedek who was a type and shadow of Jesus and Hebrews chapter 7 says Jesus receives our tithes eternally according to the Order of Melchizedek. Notice how Abraham become rich and wealthy after that? Better yet tell me who was poor in the Bible.
vkwill 8 months ago
@stoob1969 The Children of Israel leaving Egypt is a type & shadow of the New Covenant believer. Read what happened when they left Egypt. The Egyptians gave them ALL of their wealth. Where did they get the gold to build the golden calf? God was taking them to a land flowing with milk and honey, houses they didn't build, full of things they didn't buy. Now what provided that life for the Israelites? The Blood of the Lamb that was on the doorpost that freed them from bondage. Stop being a slave.
vkwill 8 months ago
@vkwill sorry but riches are a snare as Jesus said, I'll pray for your sanity and soul. About the laodecean church in Revelation 3:17–18"Because you say, 'I am rich, and have gotten riches, and have need of nothing;' and don't know that you are the wretched one, miserable, poor, blind, and naked. I am not a slave of this world, Jesus set me free, I am free indeed.
stoob1969 8 months ago
@stoob1969 Yes putting riches out of their place is a snare. You still failed to answer ANY of my questions. Define "riches". How much is "riches"? Because to a person that has nothing looking at someone with $10 is riches, so do we stop at $10? Once again you just quote scripture without UNDERSTANDING scripture. So if you read something and don't understand it you are still a slave mentally.
vkwill 8 months ago
@vkwill Enough. Listening to you reminds me of when the devil took Jesus up on the mountain and said to Jesus that he could have all of the earthly kingdom's riches if he bowed down to him. The bonded ameircan church, blinded slaves to men's teaches about being rich is bringing the church down to the devil's kingdom living. Be a berean and read the scriptures in context, don't listen to misguided men of selfish gain like Dollar, Price, Long, Jakes and others that make me spritually sick.
stoob1969 8 months ago
@stoob1969 enough of what? Don't ever compare me to the devil, I'm showing you TRUTH but you choose to be blind so you choose to have less. You choose to be the 3rd servant in the parable of the talents who took the gift of what his master gave him & instead of increasing it hides it in the ground. Notice how the 1st servant took his talents, went out & traded & made his master more? More of what? More riches!!! Notice how the master was upset at the 3rd but praised the 1st? That's business.
vkwill 8 months ago
@vkwill that parable was about those that recieve the gospel of Jeus Christ should spread the gospel.the more you receve through Jesus Cjrist you should bring more peoplr to Jesus Christ."more riches" doesnt match scriptures about teasure in heaven not earth,sell all you have..and follow me and easier for a camel to walk thru a needle.the 3rd was punished because he took what Jesus Christ gave hm and kept it to himself.God doesnt need your money God needs you.
ST8URCASE 8 months ago
@ST8URCASE huh? How do you receive more of the Gospel? The Gospel of Jesus is the same as it has been for 2000 years. That doesn't even make sense. The 3rd servant hid what his master gave him and gave it back to the master, so he wasn't keeping it for himself. I suggest you read again. God doesn't need your money, but His people doing His Will does. This is the system we live in, tell me what church is being built for free today? Free TV Broadcasts? Free land to build on? I'll wait...
vkwill 8 months ago
@vkwill you dont need tv,buildings or literature to tell people aout the blood of Jesus Christ and the mercy from God.youve been duped.we should take what talent God has given us and use it to bring people to God not to church buildings.we should take the gospel to them.Jesus Christ said"sell all you have,give it to the poor and follow me".He did not say sell it and give me the money.every example of money collected in nt was given to the poor as they needed.
ST8URCASE 8 months ago
@ST8URCASE once again religious thinking makes you of no earthly good. Jesus said go into the WORLD & preach the gospel right? How many people can you reach from your sidewalk as opposed to someone with an INTERNATIONAL tv broadcast? Jesus said sell all you have so I assume you are replying to me from a public library because you would have sold your house, computer, etc correct? Remember the poor woman who gave her last & Jesus commented on it? She was poor, why didn't she keep her money?
vkwill 8 months ago
@vkwill Jesus made a comment about the poor woman giving her last coin but I don't think it was commending her, but criticising the system!
Re your international TV comment: I actually think it’s a very bad idea, it doesn’t work as the enemy always corrupts it! I can't even think of an honest TV network without Illuminati crooks involved, that doesn’t have false preachers preaching false doctrine, & that never asks for your money. Sharing the gospel one-to-one is far better than trusting TV.
MustaffaCuppa 6 months ago
@MustaffaCuppa Jesus pointed the woman out & commended her faith for giving all she had & others had more & didn't. Everything in this world is corrupted so you can't run from corruption. Churches, preachers, etc so how does someone know if the church on the corner or the preacher is telling them the right thing? That little voice called the Holy Spirit is how, which means He'll also tell you which tv preachers are corrupt. If you think you reach more people by mouth than tv, you're mistaken.
vkwill 6 months ago
@vkwill Actually I don't think I'd reach more people by mouth than by TV. Nor did I suggest it. However, the fact that the TV networks are showing corruption right, left & centre, means that LOTS of people are hearing WRONG doctrine & watered-down stuff. The Holy Spirit showed me there are no TV networks to trust, & VERY few preachers worth listening to - so it's far better to avoid TV than hear rubbish. That's why a saved child of God sharing the Gospel of Jesus face to face is far better!
MustaffaCuppa 6 months ago
@ST8URCASE that 1 comment shows that all of your religious jargon makes no sense. God gave you a brain for a reason, use it. How many times have you stood on the corner and preached? How many people turned their lives to Christ? Now how many people do you think watch television broadcasts & turn to Christ? Instead of trying to argue a point that makes absolutely no sense you should probably start placing ALL of your earthly valuables on ebay or craigslist if you're going to do what Jesus said.
vkwill 8 months ago
These guy's nail the hypocrisy of the false church.
Pfsif 9 months ago
Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!
rejectofthemoon 9 months ago
even worse than a drug dealer you dont get anything :(
its sad to see this cause ive been to alot of churches that it seem that they were begging for money.
Nonexistanthuman 10 months ago
THey place us under CURSES when they tell us we are poor because we are not tithing! The poor in the Bible NEVER tithed since they received tithed. You can't pay tithes AND receive tithes. Tithes was the Law. Tithing puts you under the obligation of the Law and we are no longer under the Law. Now If you feel like tithing and can afford, good for you. When the poor widow pays her 2 mites, Jesus does not scold her! Instead he says the gave MORE to the Temple than the rich man before her!
Senteami 10 months ago
Oh my God this is sick. Tim what happend to you man? where is your brain? how can you let this happen to you?
people wake up! your salvation doesn't depend on tithing! You have salvation becuase of the complete work of Jesus Christ. what ever happend to John 3:16
Pls ppl use your mind that God has given you. Think for yourself.
As for Tim who will buy his groceries now?
changeishere2008 10 months ago
boy....u can tell were living in the end times!! Now folks don't wanna pay tithe....sad! the money should be for the poor & down trodden. the people that complaining about not wanting to pay tithes are probably rich. It is proven that poor & middle class people give more than the wealthy.
MsKittenz1 1 year ago
@MsKittenz1 I'm broke and I wouldn't mind paying tithes if I could but I can't. and if I do I have to sacrifice the little that I have and my debts are still here and touching the ceiling !!!! I do help the poor by givins and helping but I can not always give money. My pastor saiys tht if you don't pay tithes you are going to hell.
Some say tithe others say don't. I don't know is right or wrong and brings confusion more than anything
OMANI91 11 months ago
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tulsapro 10 months ago
@OMANI91 Google "Should the church teach tithing" and you'll find Dr. Russell Kelly's fine book. Tithing is NOT a New Covenant doctrine. Study and you'll find the truth.
tulsapro 10 months ago
@OMANI91
I give everynow and then. I am not under any obligation to tithe. I love God and He sure loves me. That is all that matters. I serve God not Man.
changeishere2008 10 months ago
@OMANI91 God is not the author of confusion. Let the Lord lead and guide you gently in his perfect wisdom. I tithed for yrs and God took care of me just fine. Ive not tithed for more yrs and God still loves me and takes care of me. God wants cheerful givers and tithing is like an obligation and there is no joy in that sometimes. I think everyone needs to work out thier own salvation . Seeking the truth from the word of God and then let the holy spirit help you to do whats best.
SusanRichardsDay 10 months ago
@OMANI91
The BIBLICAL Tithe was ALWAYS food produced by wealthy land-owners inside Israel. And the Biblical Tithe actually went TO the poor!
Salvation is NOT dependent on Tithing. Instead, it says "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved".
We cannot earn Salvation. Salvation is NOT based on what we do or don't do. Salvation is based on what God has already done for us.
Try reading a little bit of the Bible every day, and ask God to teach you about Himself. God LOVES you!
blueskunk12 9 months ago
@MsKittenz1 Well, you know the bible gave many signs of the end times......However, I do NOT, recall tithing or the not paying of tithes being one of those signs. You are obviously one that has been taught and believe this false doctrine, That Jesus Christ saved you, just to put a curse on you for not doing what you were NEVER commanded to do. Unless you are of one of the 12 tribes... SMH sad indeed.
kingsgirl30 9 months ago
What are the churches doing with all the tithe they collect from their members?
almenaja 1 year ago
@almenaja
They are getting richer. They are buying all the things they want and securing their families future while the members of their congrigation are forclosing, takeing buses or struggling to pay their bills.
This is sad but it happens all the time.
Once I heard a pastor say if you're having a hard time you MUST TITHE you can't afford Not to tithe?
I knew I was not going to be manupilated like that. I did not go back to that church.
changeishere2008 10 months ago
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1 Corinthians 9: 13Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
christianpreachr 1 year ago
@christianpreachr
Those who preach the gospel should live of the gospel is fine. This has nothing to do with the Tithe.
The Tithe is defined as "grain from the soil or fruit from the trees", and "every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd’s rod" (Lev 27:30,32).
The Tithe is part of the law that was fulfilled with Jesus' death. It's time to stop scrambling to fulfill the laws and regulations of the Old Covenant and accept the New Covenant, one where we share with all who have need.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
Hebrews 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
christianpreachr 1 year ago
@christianpreachr
Examine it thoroughly. Does it tell us to tithe? Does it tell anyone to tithe? Does it say Abraham tithed?
No. It says Levi tithed to Jesus, therefore, Jesus is a higher and better Priest than they are.
Heb 8:1
Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven.
That is the point of Hebrews 7. Not to carry over the Tithe (which is defined as FOOD in Lev 27:30-34).
blueskunk12 1 year ago
Acts 4:35And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. 36And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, 37Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
christianpreachr 1 year ago
@christianpreachr
Distributing according to need is something I can agree with.
But does the Church do this? Does the Tithe do this? Or does the Tithe take from EVERYONE, and give to those who aren't in need? Is this what the Biblical tithe did?
Deu 26:12
When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
Philippians 4:15 Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.
17Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account. 18But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.
christianpreachr 1 year ago
Luke 8:1 And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him, 2And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, 3And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.
christianpreachr 1 year ago
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
christianpreachr 1 year ago
@christianpreachr
Notice who Jesus was speaking to. Scribes and Pharisees. Notice what Jesus said about the Tithe. It was a matter of the law. Notice what Jesus has done to the law. He has fulfilled the law.
Did the New Covenant begin with Jesus' birth, or with His death? Don't we all sing about how it's His blood shed for us that pays for our sins? Then it's His death that rings in the New Covenant.
So of course the Old Covenant was still in effect while Jesus was alive and teaching.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
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Romans 15:4For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
christianpreachr 1 year ago
@christianpreachr
So while I disagree with everything you said, I do thank you for finally being willing to discuss your views. And I urge you to open your Bible, pray long and hard, and open yourself up to the possibility that you may be wrong.
Only then can we see the Truth, when we, fallible man, open ourselves up to correction and learning.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 Just this once I'm going to go back on my word and respond to you. After this, I will not again. I don't appreciate your words, nor attitude. You have been rude and childish. I have no intention on arguing the bible. I will simply post scripture and let God have His way. You have no authority here. You are not saved. You do not know Christ for the pardoning of your sins.
John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
christianpreachr 1 year ago
@christianpreachr
How sad that you have such hatred for the truth.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@christianpreachr
The fact is, the Tithe as the Church teaches is unBiblical.
The Biblical Tithe was 10% of the food produced in Israel. The Tithe was a COMMAND from God for the Israelites. The Tithe went to the poor who had no way to support themselves. The Tithe ended at the Cross. We now have a new and better Covenant, one based on spirit-led giving to those who are in need.
The Church is not a building; it is those inside the building. Open your eyes, your mind, your heart to the truth.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
Genesis 28: 20And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, 21So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: 22And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.
christianpreachr 1 year ago
@christianpreachr
Did Jacob keep his vow?
Is this the type of tithe vow we are to make?
Notice what Jacob said. "If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, so that I come again to my father's house in peace; THEN shall the LORD be my God...."
Is this the type of tithe vow we should make? We should all give God a list of all our wants and needs and tell God that if He completes our list, THEN we will Tithe.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
The Sabbath is Frid @ 6p till Sat. @6p I wish someone would take a survey to see how many people that believe in the tithe mandate are also keeping the Sabbath mandate and how many of them have circumcised their male babies on his 8th day of life by a Priest? IF THEY ARE NOT KEEPING THE OTHER LAWS, THEY HAVE VOIDED THE ONES THEY KEPT ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE.
It is called selective picking one law when all 613 had to be kept under the Old Covenant again it was a crime to break any one of them!
NotFlaking 1 year ago
I notice that whenever people that demand that Christians keep the tithe law are asked if they are keeping the Sabbath and circumcision law they never answer back. The Sabbath means resting with no activity from Frid @ 6 to Sat @ 6 no blogging, no driving, no cooking, prepare your meal the day before, TV no leisure activities at all, no texting or phone calls on the Sabbath. They ignore that all 613 laws had to be kept. Seems like they are stuck on the tithng law only.,
NotFlaking 1 year ago
I respectfully disagree that all people who are not tithing are not managing their money. Firsf of all they may be out of work or not receiving money to tithe.
The poor in the Old Testament recieved the tithes. That's what the tithe (food) was for. The Tithe in Malachi was food, not gold or silver coins!
NotFlaking 1 year ago
I have given all the scriptures on grace vs law that I will give. We will respectfully agree to disagree. U keep the law and I will receive God free gift of Grace. I'll give as Paul Instructed in 2nd Corinthian 9:7 VOLUNTARILY! I pray one day all will learn what Grace means and how God's grace is available daily for free, thanks to the payment Jesus made. You missed an important word in your verse that Heaven & earth will not pass away from the law. The word you failed to understand is UNTIL!.
NotFlaking 1 year ago
I have given all the scriptures on grace vs law that I will give. We will respectfully agree to disagree. U keep the law and I will receive God free gift of Grace and give as Paul Instructed in 2nd Corinthian 9:7 voluntarily. I pray one day you will learn what Grace means and how God's grace t is available daily for free thanks to the payment Jesus made. You missed an important word in your verse that Heaven & earth will not pass away from the law. The word you failed to understand is UNTIL!.
NotFlaking 1 year ago
Thats funny, if your not saved and dont want to see the church around much longer.
78702ike 1 year ago
Galatians 3:12 "However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM."
Galatians 3:13 "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us-- for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE "--
Galatians 3:14 "so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised by faith
NotFlaking 1 year ago
There is one mention to tithe by Jesus in Matthew 23:23 but since he had not yet gone to the Cross to fulfill the law or said paid in full, the Old Covenat law was still in effect!
Christians should be taught to start Giving & stop paying. He already did the paying for U. Quote the word to people to help them wake up and learn the meaning of Grace. Don't be robbed of Gods gift of daily Grace!
He is your Grace, period!
Whoever said He pd. a debt he did not owe, for a debt we could not pay
NotFlaking 1 year ago
Galatians 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Acts 15:24 "Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions", (on keeping the laws of Moses/ circumcisions)
NotFlaking 1 year ago
Acts 13:39
..and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.
Galatians 2:21 "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose
Colossians 2 :14 "by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
Jesus said Paid in full as in it is finished, not partially paid / partially finished
NotFlaking 1 year ago
Ttithing is a modern day stronghold that is working to diminish Grace & Jesus work on the Cross. It is causing people to boast and glory in their own paymt, instead of the paymt Jesus made for us on the Cross.
B cuz so many fail to understand what Jesus meant when he said Paid in full as in it is finished people are being duped into paying for what Jesus already paid for. Plus if they don't they believe they will be cursed!
Gal.3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law!
NotFlaking 1 year ago
@NotFlaking Tithing is not a stronghold. Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? What Christ did on the cross was to reconcile us with God, not remove our works. Christ spoke in the perfect tense in Greek when He said "it is finished." He was speaking into eternity about our reconciliation with God. After all, Matt 5:17 says Christ didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill the law. And yes, He is coming back again for it is not yet done. His redemptive work is done, He has more to do yet.
christianpreachr 1 year ago
@christianpreachr Come with Scriptures please and not your own ideology. Yes he fulfilled the law what other scriptures do you have to back up that Jesus partially fulffilled the law?
NotFlaking 1 year ago
@NotFlaking
When I said tithing was a stronghold I meant it is causing the bondage and stronghold of fear, guilt and condemnation in many people who cannot pay ten percent of their gross money because they are being told they are under the Old Covenant Malachi curse and not being told Christ redeemed them from the curse of the law.
Let God be true!
NotFlaking 1 year ago