Joseph Smith & the Book of Mormon - An Apostle's Testimony

[mvagusta750]

this poor misguided fool. try looking at historical records, among other things the man was a sexual preditor, see the research by Sandra Tanner and let me know why her conclusion are incorrect, if not please feel free and keep your head in the sand

[mvagusta750]

smart actions, start filling kids heads with what you want them to believe because it will not work when thy get older, when they learn to think and reason.

[mvagusta750]

now i learn there is extensive records of smith being a sexual predator (Sandra Tanner) has research on this fact. Warrant issued upon written complaint upon oath of Peter G. Bridgeman, who informed that one Joseph Smith of Bainbridge was a disorderly person and an imposter. Prisoner brought before Court March 20, 1826.

IT KEEPS GETTING BETTER

[scottwins2]

Like Oliver Cowdery, and Martin Harris, David Whitmer bore the testimony to the truthfulness of reality of his encounter with the angel and the authenticity of the Book of Mormon until the day he died. Book of Mormon critics have not been able to impugn their testimonies but have instead resorted to character assassination. As history demonstrates, however, the honesty, integrity and reliability of these witnesses confound the critics every bit as much as the testimony of the three witnesses.

[scottwins2]

The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it. JOSEPH SMITH

[magnus56j]

The Book of Mormon is a fairytale and Jeffrey R. Holland is clearly fake crying which I find disgusting. The One True Church can be none other than the Orthodox Christian Church. Mormons have slaughtered more people in the Mountain Meadows Massacre than Mormons themselves have been victims of violence. Orthodoxy has been the most and still is the most persecuted Christian Church. Around 100 million Orthodox Christians were slaughtered in the 20th century alone.

[scottwins2]

This is a great video, terrific talk!

[dorisfenella]

@scottwins2 You are awesome brother. Keep the faith. Some times it´s not worthy to talk so much with some people, they need to be more humble and ask to God not to men.

[scottwins2]

@dorisfenella Thankyou kind of you, God bless

[sadrequiem]

what a bunch of crap!

as if Joseph Smith was the first or the last fraud who died because of his own invention.

[scottwins2]

@sadrequiem Excuse me? Who are you to say? History of his murder is a fact and what went on there! All you do is add to the flame. John Taylor was there you were not.

Tell me, other than heresay, second hand or third hand information what is it you claim sir? Fraud? Witness after witness stand in his stead. He died innocently and faithful to his God. Your nothing but a lapping dog with your mob friends always returning to its vomit.

[sadrequiem]

@scottwins2 Maybe you read as you write. That's why you don't see that what you say is exactly the point I'm refuting. I'm not arguing that he didn't die or was killed. What I'm saying is that he's not the first fraud who died because of his own lies. Have you ever heard of the cool-aid cult? They also died for their crazy believes and that doesn't make them true.

Oh, and next time, it's "you're" or "you are", not "your".

[scottwins2]

@sadrequiem Appear hate is your friend and mOrmonism the enemy, I didn't think you would answer the question? Give me a first hand account of your accusations from a credible source. You can't and you won't. Joseph had witnesses you have heresay.

[sadrequiem]

@scottwins2 I don't hate mormonism, but it doesn't deserve respect because it is provable (and proven) that it's not true. I don't need to do your homework. Read my claim and you will see that I don't need to give you the "first hand account" of anything. If I did you would just brush it under the rug. To say that Joseph Smith was a fraud includes also logic, history, geology, geography and plain common sense.

I'll just give you 2. Horses and cimiters in the Book of Mormon. Laughable.

[scottwins2]

@sadrequiem No facts, no facts as usual.

[sadrequiem]

@scottwins2 jajajaja as if reading a book from a hat is fact. You wouldn't recognize a fact about mormonism, yet you take all those unproven fables as fact without any proof.

[dorisfenella]

@sadrequiem You are under Satan power. period.



[sadrequiem]

@dorisfenella jajajajaja you made my day! you're the first person to ever say that to me.

[kevinbreen]

This Holland bloke is a jerk. Liar. Fraud. And he knows it!

[scottwins2]

@kevinbreen As if you know, in your ignorance what is he a fraud of? Looks like a hit and run accusation to me sir. You could only wish to be as great a person as Holland.

[kevinbreen]

Boo!

[Mendiesa]

I believe in God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit but NOT the latter day saints. I certainly don't believe in the book of Mormon, I feel, as most Christians do that it is a ficticious work, and Star Trek has more credibility than this book. Hey we are all entitled to our opinion arent we?

[BOON70]

@Mendiesa As Mormons we do not condemn those who do not believe the Book of Mormon but we do ask those who want to investigate Mormonism should read the Book of Mormon and ask God if its true. From the scriptures we read that God is the source of all truth. But I ask you to keep statements of StarTrek and the Book of Mromon to yourself. I do not seek to be childish and purposely offend you I only want to state the truth when it comes to Mormons and our religion. Not the propaganda

[BOON70]

@Mendiesa that is always fleeting in truth and the spirit of God.

[yellowcorba1]

@Mendiesa did you read it?

[followthesheperd01]

There is not one shed of historical evidence to back the book of morman. Here check this you tube vid out. The Book of Mormon vs The Bible, Part 1 of an indepth study of Latter Day Saints Archeology

[theYwpp]

That is a very SATANIC video>

[BOON70]

@followthesheperd01 Have you ever meet with Mormons? Have you ever been to church with Mormons? I watch your video to be honest I have other people point me to this video. What does comparable mean? It means similar or alike. You have a old man that is asked a question he answers that the Book of Mormon is the more correct than the Bible. Well what is meant by this as you can see you don't explain you only go about to show what suits your needs to fulfill your purpose, but

[BOON70]

@followthesheperd01 not the truth. From what we read in history is that the Bible has been translated many times. Those who know how to speak different languages know that some words can lose meaning when translated to English. Plus they didn't have printers, copiers, scanners, or computers like we do now back then. So how was the Bible preserved? They would make multiple copies on scrolls. They would then try to preserve these scrolls. But what about when they had to make

[BOON70]

@followthesheperd01 copies? This was done by hand and we know that when it is done by hand words can be missed, misspellings, and you can have bad hand writing too like b may look h or a may look like u or something of that nature. We know that the Bible was originally written in Hebrew, Greek, and Arabic. Those who know these languages know that even the smallest mark in the wrong place can change not just the meaning of word but entire sentence. We also have the different

[BOON70]

@followthesheperd01 versions of the Bible. The most widely used is the King James version. Its called the King James version is because King James went through and took out what he didn't want in the Bible otherwise you can say it was translated by King James. Is there any proof of anything I am saying? John 4:24 says God is a Spirit? Oh my this doesn't confer with Mormon doctrine at all. I don't know if you have read the Articles of Faith We believe the Bible to be the

[BOON70]

@followthesheperd01 word of God "as far as it is translated correctly". But if you continue on it it doesn't say this about the Book of Mormon only the Bible. Is there anything to support this statement. Lets go back to John 4:24 First the word "a" is added by discretion of the translator. Irrenaus who wasn't a Mormon said that scripture was mistranslated and its actually supposed to say God is the breath of life or God is life. He also is not the only one that says this.

[BOON70]

@followthesheperd01 Oh and if you go look up Irrenaus he lived around 180 AD.

[BOON70]

@followthesheperd01 I have only watch part 1 and found some mistakes in what you state as fact. I am not going to waste my time reading or watching the rest of it because to me if they only want to state something to bend to their point of view I don't want to watch it because then the video or statements they have made are false.

[followthesheperd01]

Not one shed of historical evidence to back the book of morman :)

[BOON70]

@followthesheperd01 Did you know that according to Scientific American Magazine there has been 400 ancient unearthed written on different types of metal plates? Something else you should know Scientific American isn't run by Mormons.

[jayhawk88z]

Book of mormon is a counterfit

[3rinmariee]

This is absolutely amazing.

[plunderpunk]

Not sure if 19th century figure Joseph Smith Jr, occultist practitioner of divination from a family of flim- flamers who founded the Mormon church, was a true prophet as the Mormon church has claimed all through out its history?

Google these four things and make up your own mind:

Joseph Smith +

01 first vision discrepancies

02 the book of abraham FAIL

03 kinderhook plates HOAX

04 verbatim mistakes from KJV

[PCEggo]

@plunderpunk fairlds org and fairmormon org among others actually add a bit of fairness to the arguments you reference.

plus its not just shallow, it's flat ignorant, to reject Mormonism by Google searching those topics alone without researching apologist arguments as well, but by also not even taking into account evidences and virtues that the LDS church DOES have.

[plunderpunk]

@PCEggo here's my point: the church was founded on very specific claims of supernatural abilities by it's founder. these claims should be able to withstand the scrutiny they bring upon themselves. if they don't then STOP including them in your religion. STOP claiming Joseph Smith to be a true prophet. we live in far more informed and sophisticated times then the early mid-1800's. we needn't continue to believe in disproven claims to live fulfilled spiritual lives.

[PCEggo]

@plunderpunk they have not been disproven if they haven't been PROVEN false. for example, minor discrepancies in the first vision accounts? Are there not minor discrepancies in the four gospels? Tell me that's not the same thing, but i take it you still believe in the gospels. Its just that at a closer glance we find the authors adapting the information as they saw fit to different audiences. Its not evidence of collusion, in fact its the opposite. in a court of law such a thing is expected

[PCEggo]

as for the other three,there are pro-LDS theories on the book of abraham you would find interesting if you'd bother to read them.Its never been proven that the kinderhook plates were hoax or even that Joseph actually said what it is recorded he said in the Hofthechurch.And when the dead sea scrolls were first discovered, they used the current translation of the bible, and only modified key parts they felt were significantly different to help the reader compare and contrast, trivial errors or not

[plunderpunk]

@PCEggo the boa "translations" have been entirely dismissed by noted egyptologists for 150 years. i've attempted/bothered to read the insane apologetic screeds of Gee - holy smokes! what goobly gook! it's never been proven that he said what he said (about the k plates) as recorded in the history of the church?!!? seriously? weird! in that case, how can you be certain if anything attributed to him was "actually said" by him? whatever.

[PCEggo]

@plunderpunk its pausible when you think about how the history of the church was put together. after 1838, even though it records joseph in the first person, its actually a whole bunch of misc quotes from first second and third hand sources attributed to joseph smith, but they were changed to first person to create a flowing narrative, a common practice of the day. All I'm saying is that the kinderhook plate issue is too shaky of evidence to PROVE anything concrete one way or the other

[plunderpunk]

@PCEggo "they have not been disproven if they haven't been PROVEN false."

Fair enough. Here are proven, 100% FAILS:

Smiths papyrus "translations" in the book of abraham were proven to be 100% farcically FALSE.

The Kinderhook Plates, from which Smith had started to "translate", were proven to be 100% farcically FALSE. These epic FAILS under mind any credibility attributed to Smiths claims of supernatural abilities.

Given his many claims, Smith is thus a pious fraud, at best.

[PCEggo]

@plunderpunk there were huge portions of the that papayrus scroll we do not have. Things such as the Testament of Abraham have proven that Egytian jews of that time would take plain funerary documents and add their own semitic interpretation of the facsimilies with their own writings upon the same scrolls.

Kinderhook plates are ridiculous. the men who supposed made the plates didn't fess up for 40 years. If Joseph had been had, why wait 40 years? expose him and make your claim to fame.

[PCEggo]

but here's a challange for you. On the banks of the Mississippi in Commerce Illinois in 1839, a massive faith/priesthood healing took place. There were hundreds laying sick and dying in the swampy muds of cholera, Joseph Smith himself was stricken, then rising one day whole, he healed a number of the 12 and then led a procession throughout the camp raising up hundreds whole from a disease from which few recovered in those days. there were thousands of witnesses. is that irrelevant?

[plunderpunk]

@PCEggo your religions self-promoting lore is no more a "challenge" to me then say, the lore of any other religion would be to you. all religions have their tales of the supernatural, the supposedly unexplainable, that lends credibility to the core identity of the faith. i' ve studied religions my entire adult life, and as with most things, they follow specific patterns. mormonism is no different. "thousands of witnesses" are useless if no other non-vested parties could back up their claims.

[PCEggo]

@plunderpunk so "thousands of witnesses" are liars? this isn't like it was 3000 years ago where the only surviving reference to the event is a single ancient text that may have been made up after the fact. this was only last century, well into the modern era. We still have hundreds of their journals, correspondence, etc. documenting this event hardcore. but to you a mormon is not allowed to testify of mormonism legitimately? than who is?

[plunderpunk]

@PCEggo Again, all religions have their lore, which is almost always related to the supernatural. Most would understand my meaning. The Mormon church has proven to be very tight with their own history over the years, given the amount of changes they make to it when necessary. This isn't about being against Mormons and not taking them at their word. As a non-member I am afforded the intellectual luxury of viewing this incident from an unclouded point of view. You cant.

[PCEggo]

@plunderpunk your an exmormon aren't you? no one refers to themselves as "non-members" of the mormon church unless they are or were members at one point. 

The mormon church has not changed its history to cover anything up. That's just antimormon trash. The "History of the Church" series is not changed but updated as new evdience comes to light, same as any other history.

But aside from that, I'm speaking of records kept or preservered by individuals, not the church.

[plunderpunk]

@PCEggo Nope, not an exmo. So tell me, at what point did the quote attributed to Smith concerning the Kinderhook Plates come under scrutiny by church members? Before the hoaxers claim in 1879? In 1920 when the first inconclusive tests were done on one of them? In 1966 when tests at BYU concluded they weren't of ancient origin? Certainly not in 1980 when a Mormon apostle wrote "most experts agree they are of ancient vintage"? Help me out here.

[PCEggo]

@plunderpunk

They were never of any importance since the beginning. Even if they were authentic ancient things, we have no record of Joseph ever getting around to saying anything substantial about their contents. But we don't know if their authentic. The only quote in question is the one in the HoftheCh. And we don't know if that is 2nd hand, 3rd, or worse. So when exmo's and anti's come along with their clamorous kinderhook arguments we have to point out that there's nothing to go on here

[plunderpunk]

@PCEggo missing portions aren't important if the portions you do have aren't translated correctly.

The Kinderhook plates hoax are a documented part of your churches history.

"I have translated a portion of them and find they contain the history of the person with whom they were found. He was a descendant of Ham, through the loins of Pharaoh, king of Egypt..."

History of the Church, Vol. 5, p. 372

consider "why didn't the hoaxers fess up?' vs "why didn't Smith recognize these as fakes"?

[PCEggo]

the missing portions mean everything. If we did have them it could 100% plausibly turn out to be something like the Testament of Abraham where a Jewish redactor took a plain funerary scroll and wrote a second Semitic narrative adapting the facsimiles of the Egyptian text to an interpretation that tells the story of the Semitic text.

the point being that none of your accusations bring the Mormon church tumbling to the ground. and i suppose whatever evidence i bring up you will just discount.

[plunderpunk]

@PCEggo I approach your prophet from an outside observer pov. I have no inherit like or dislike of him outside of what recorded church and secular history presents me. His being right or wrong affects me in no palpable way as I have no vested interest in him being right or wrong. It's from this starting point that I have researched him. Can you say the same? No. You NEED him to be the second coming. I don't. These basic points of contention say more then our debating could.

[PCEggo]

@plunderpunk outsiders perspectives are not necessarily objective perspectives. it does not make you free from sentimental views on the man Joseph smith. exmo's and Christians with bias against Mormons are apt to interpret history and facts as they see fit, that is against Smith, and not let the facts and history speak for themselves. I know exmos and anti's self righteously claim things to be the other way around, but they're conventions and meetings and classes and literatures endlessly...

[PCEggo]

weave webs of cross references between the Bible and historic events and quotes from church leaders with the preconceived object in mind to deliberately tell the tale of the devil and a charlatan deceiving and leading a backwards people astray. objective my butt. 9 out of every 10 written tracts don't mention a single Mormon virtue. beliefs aside, the facts of reality are that the mormons are generally a more compassionate, moral, and higher achieving (especially academically) people than...

[PCEggo]

than you find in the world today. for those who can't make ends meet between our "crazy" mormon beliefs and and good christian fruits that come out of them, i say YOU have been deceived and brainwashed. You've had the wool pulled over your eyes to mormons' virtures and their rational thinking in choosing their religion. Its instigated by pastors of other faiths who preach for money and perceive a threat. Its fueled on the highly polished testimonials of exmormons. and its perpetuted on the

[PCEggo]

basis that if you tell a lie big enough and repeat it often, the general ignorant masses will believe you.

your views and information are objective and mine are not? bull... This is the nature of the crap that you've read into during your "lifelong religious studies." if you want to be objective, then take the chances of LDS claims being true into account, be aware of its critics' bias, and be aware that if it is true, then mormons are the authorities on mormonism... you can't just discount

[PCEggo]

not only our arguments, but our perspectives and carefully documented past (of the most recent nature in comparision to other religious claims) just because they are ours and not someone else's

But there have been people who noticed the good character of not only the first generation of Mormons, but the man they gathered around. Outsiders who did witness miracles usually converted. You can't say that they lose their objectivity by converting. That's bias.

you are anything but objective

[lainamarie75]

and truly pray about the things that you read and the feelings you have as you read them , then you will know and learn of the truth that i know for myself about the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.

It's worth a try, what do you have to loose?

all you have to do is just get on your knees.

[lainamarie75]

Amazing Video!

I loved, just as I love the Gospel with all my heart, I know the content in this video to be true, and I testify that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the true and living church upon the earth today. I testify that Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God, and that Thomas S. Monson is the true and living Prophet today. I testify that Jesus Christ is my Savior and the son of God. I also Testify that the Book of mormon is true and if you open up your heart .......

[999LDS]

Nothing here about Jesus, nothing here about Christ's words. Nothing here about Smith carrying a pistol at Carthage.

Nothing in this clip that the BOM has been changed over 4000 times, when every word is supposed to be from God. Sounds like a false prophet to me.

[motherjerker]

Oh my gosh will you anti-Mormons get a freaking life. I wonder, do you devote an equal amount of time hating other religions that are different than yours like,let's say Buddism? Mormon's have a heck of a lot more in common with you than they do, and there are a lot more of them than there are Mormons, so why don't you go "save"/hate them and leave us alone.

[harvestsoulfly]

Mormons believe God is a finite man of flesh and bone, married up to heaven to multiple wife's & that we are all sexual offspring of mother and father god.

They teach polytheism, that there are millions of other gods scattered throughout the universe populating their own galaxy's and that every male Mormon believes he can become a god himself (the same lie satan told eve in the garden) by his earthly works. It's science fiction and not Biblical. I really love Mormons and pray for them.

[PCEggo]

@harvestsoulfly its biblical. when satan said "ye shall be as gods, knowing good from evil" that wasn't a lie, because later God himself admitted, "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil" so that part of Satan's statement was a statement of fact. And it was God's tree that allowed this to happen: for man to become as gods in this sense, knowing good from evil.

Also, when God was talking who was he talking to? referencing gen 3 7 and 3 20, we realize it was other gods

[harvestsoulfly]

@PCEggo Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, "Ye shall not surely die". Go ahead & believe the lie as Eve did. Gen 3:22: "man has become like one of us, knowing good & evil" But know where in the Bible does it mention any other deity's other then the Triune God (one God). He's talking to the angels in Gods heavenly counsel here. Gen 3:24- So God stationed a cherubim (angel) before the tree of life.

Man becoming a god like Christ is not biblical, PERIOD! It's Another heresy from J.S.

[harvestsoulfly]

@PCEggo One more thing. Jesus said that every word that cometh out of satans mouth is a lie, for he is the father of lies. By saying Satan spoke the truth, shows that the truth is not in you & you refuse the truth. For Mormons preach and believe (without knowing) in the original sin... That they will be exaulted above the earth in the heavens and become a god, perhaps even god.

This is the very reason lucifer was cast from heaven. Because he found iniquity in himself & wanted to be like God.

[PCEggo]

@harvestsoulfly lucifer was cast out for militant rebellion. He wanted to supplant God, not just be like him.

Some of his best lies are the ones he mixes with truth.

"To him who overcometh will I grant to sit with me on my throne, even as I overcame and sat down with my father on his throne." (Rev 3:21)

"ye are gods and all of you are children of the most high." (psalms 82:6)

"be ye therefore perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect." (mat 5:48)

[harvestsoulfly]

@PCEggo I don't know where your getting yr beliefs from but that's not biblical. Must be from the BOM. Satan wanted to be above God because he found iniquity in himself which is found in the word of God.

Isa 14:13-14 "But you said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.'

[PCEggo]

@harvestsoulfly but you also have to think about the war in heaven in Revelations 14. that one says Lucifer was cast out after a civil war he started among the hosts of heaven. While one quoted verse might give one impression, you cannot use it to give an ultimate interpretation until after you take like scriptures into account. Ask yourself, is God so insecure about his throne that Lucifer was condemned just for a sideways glance, or was the gravity of Lucifer's crime that he rebelled forit?

[PCEggo]

The scriptures describe "eternal life" with words such as thrones, crowns, ruling, glory, dominion, etc.  but of course, all at the right hand of christ, not as far as supplanting him. he will always be our God, but we can be like him in our relation to our own dominions in eternity.

its not blasphemy, its the greatest truth that God ever tried to reveal to man about mankind's potential, but they will not hear it.

[harvestsoulfly]

@PCEggo God said "man is become as one of us to know good and evil" Did God say we shall be like Himself? No! Satan did, saying: "you will be like GOD". So was God speaking to other gods when He said this? If so, where in the bible does it say there are many gods in Gods kingdom? Nowhere! I believe your being miss-led by the writings of JS & teachings of LDS.There is no fault in God or the bible. 2000 yr old translations have proven the test of time.Yet 3000 changes have been made in the BOM

[PCEggo]

@harvestsoulfly no, there are like 3 changes in the BofM that can be argued to be changes of content, the rest are corrections of typographical errors to the intent to bring the BofM back into conformity with earlier texts. But if the BofM is condemned for that, then the Bible is screwed 100 times more!

You may find it interesting that the singular "God" never occurs in the Hebrew Old Testament. Only the plural form does: "elohim", not "el" or "eloah," over 3,500 times.

[plunderpunk]

@PCEggo

BOM go BOOM!

utlm.org/onlinebooks/3913intro­.htm

[bearmanguy]

i can't even watch a talk from a latter-day saint apostle with out finding some profanity in the text.

[bearmanguy]

to all of those who dont agree with our doctrine, please dont come on here and tell us how "wrong" we are. I enjoy videos like this as do many Latter-day saints so please just let us share it with each other without being criticized and chastised . I don't go out of my way to tell other people how "wrong" they are, so please treat us with the same decencies.

[RedSun875]

@bearmanguy Ummm, tell you what... as soon as you pull your missionarys from going to door to door telling the people all the preachers of christianty are currupt and all thier creeds an abomination we might have a deal. Tell then it is war. Have a great day. :D

[harvestsoulfly]

@bearmanguy Is there any shred of archeological evidence found that supports the BOM in the America's? City's, temples, war sites, metal, coins, ANYTHING? There's no doubt that according to all the historic events written in the BOM that we would have found at least one item. I know faith should not be based on only what we can prove, but why is it we're constantly discovering incredible archeological sites that support the Bible? Your opinion please?

[kramd1]

Bereft of evidence the only evidence offered for the book of Mormon is to "ask god"

100 splinter groups of Mormonism all claim the one & only sure witness. Any and all physical evidences are claimed as irrelevant. How can they all have God's witness ? "contrary to Mormonism's claims of being a mainstream Christian sect, we discovered it clung to peculiar and offensive notions of polygamy, racial superiority, blood sacrifice, polytheism and Masonic-cult temple rituals."

[LDStothecore]

@kramd1 You know nothing of the LDS church.

[ShylyRilee14]

@kramd1 You don't know what you're talking about . We quit polygamy a long time ago and we only started it because we received revelation from God to do so. Same with blood sacrifices. And if you think we use polytheism you are SO wrong! We have one God and one God only. We believe in his SON Jesus Christ and in the Holy Ghost. They are three separate beings, but there is only one God. Learn before you preach.

[kramd1]

@ShylyRilee14 Na, incorrect. it was given up 1890's in Utah in agreement with the US government to admit Utah as a recognised state. Nothing to do with "revelation" . Brigham Young brought the practise to Utah. Joseph Smith first wife widowed Emma denied his practice of it and to this day the RLDS deny Smith ever practised Polygamy. Brighamites and the Utah mormons Utah Mormon splinter groups Own polygamy. Mormon men can still marry multiple wives for the here after. women cannot.

[ShylyRilee14]

@kramd1 Hahaha you seriously are an imbecile, aren't you. The RLDS church IS NOT AT ALL AFFILIATED with the LDS church. Heaven forbid we have similar names. We did not stop to become a recognized state. We stopped because of revelation. Wherever you're learning this nonsense its bull. Mormon men (as well as women) will BE REMOVED from the Mormon church if they are found practicing polygamy today. Get your facts right you troll.

[kramd1]

@ShylyRilee14 RLDS also receive a spiritual witness , just like LDS. Are also mormons, believe in Joseph Smiths the Book of Mormon. In the LDS temple a mormon man can be sealed to multiple wives for the hereafter.

Even tho' LDS denounced the practise of polygamy in mortality it's principle is taught and founding falounderer practise upheld.

[ShylyRilee14]

@kramd1 Yes, they branched from the LDS church because they wanted polygamy and we didn't. But they ARE NOT our church. If you are sealed to a wife in the temple and your wife dies, yes you can get sealed to another wife to be sealed for eternity. I'm sorry to say that I don't know much about this sealing topic. But I'm sick and tired of fighting with you, it's ridiculous and we're both obviously never going to get anywhere. I'll leave you with this. When I was two years old I had Acute Myeloid

[kramd1]

@ShylyRilee14 RE: who owns polygamy. The RLDS now called the Community of Christ affirms its long history of vigorous opposition to polygamy as a doctrine or practice, regardless of what historical research concludes about its origins in the early Latter Day Saint movement. The church has consistently taught monogamy as the basic principle of Christian marriage (Doctrine and Covenants, Sections 111 and 150)

[kramd1]

I think you will find that The Utah splinter groups occurred over the Polygamy issues. The Utah mormons ie those that followed Brigham Young ( Brigamites ) practised and taught the principles of polygamy. The Nauvoo Illinois mormons ( Emma Smith ) RLDS did not practise or uphold it's doctrine. This would account for the many Utah and surrounding states fundamentalist mormon groups still practising Polygamy.

[ShylyRilee14]

@kramd1 (Continue from 1st post) Cancer. The survival rate for a Caucasian child is 20%. My health was going so far downhill, the doctors told my mother to prepare for the worst. I was literally about to die. That night, my mother called down a local Bishop from our church who gave me a divine blessing through the power of the priesthood. He told my mother she would live to see me married. The next day, my health began to get better. Now I'm fifteen and healthy as ever. I know with all my heart

[ShylyRilee14]

@kramd1 (continue from 2 post) that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is true. Its a miracle for me to be here. I don't know everything about our church, as there is still a lot of information to be taught, but I have prayed to my Heavenly Father and I have received answers. I know this church is true. Now, I'm sorry that we fought. But I will try to respect your opinion and I would like for you to respect mine. So please, you're not doing any good by being here. Please leave.

[kramd1]

@ShylyRilee14 It works for you. I am happy that faith does work for many people and of all faiths sects and creeds. I'm glad that your well also. Take care. I am an agnostic lacking faith.

[markpee29]

what ihe hell is this your telling me this story took place in the late 1800s!!!!! this is bullshit im sorry!!!!!!!

[johnlds1965]

@markpee29 It all started in 1820, This particular talk was aimed at our critics regarding the Book of Mormon. Perhaps this might shed more light on two other often contenious issues:

'The Only True God and Jesus Christ Whom He Hath Sent'

Text: tinyurl dot com/2gek6b

Video: tinyurl dot com/66qnak

“My Words … Never Cease”

Text: tinyurl dot com/5vdtzg

Video: tinyurl dot com/6d859z

Enjoy!

[lainamarie75]

@markpee29

So then I guess you don't believe any of the stories from the Bible then right? Because they are from even before the 1800's.

You are just jealous that you don't have the gospel in your life.

Deep down you wish you were a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

[BOON70]

@markpee29 From what I can tell you don't know much about the Book of Mormon. But what i will tell you before the 2nd Coming of Christ there will be enough evidence that the Book of Mormon is true that no man in the right man shall say it is false. But because of the darkness and evilness of the learning of men there will still be those that will deny it.

[theYwpp]

I agree!

[wesleyathompson]

@southerngent253 My friend, with the proper understanding of LDS beliefs and the Bible, one can see that the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price all work hand-in-hand. They support each other and each testifies to the truthfulness of the others. I know this to be true. It is a pretty enjoyable experience to see how Heavenly Father works like that.

[cougarman08]

He has such a powerful testimony! I really appreciate the way he stands up for every one of us. I wish people would close their mouths and open their hearts. Forget about what you thought or what you heard. If you have questions about mormons... ask a mormon. Read the Book of Mormon, pray to know if it is true, and you will have you answer.

[frodoj67]

To all who may read this... May God be my witness that I know that Joseph Smith was a true and living prophet called by God our Father and his Son our Savior Jesus Christ to restore the True and Living Gospel of Jesus Christ to the Earth once again to NEVER be taken away again. Wake up world for the truth has been revealed! You want true joy? You want true peace? You want truth? It is here! It is found in the teachings and ordinances of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Amen!

[MegaDiarrhea]

Everytime this man speaks, he never testifies of Jesus Christ. The only words that come out of his mouth are Joseph Smith, Joseph Smith, The Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith, I know The Book of Mormon is true and did I mention Joseph Smith? Elder Holland, cut the crap. And why don't you ever testify of the Holy Bible? If anyone is pathetic, it's you. If anyone has a failed theory, it's you. Stop posing as a false apostle and start preaching about JESUS CHRIST, not a false prophet.

[johnlds1965]

@MegaDiarrhea Elder Hollland is always testifying of Christ, this particular talk was aimed at our critics regarding the Book of Mormon. Sorry but these things are always in context. For example, talks testifying of Christ and his works can be found at:

'The Only True God and Jesus Christ Whom He Hath Sent'

Text: tinyurl dot com/2gek6b

Video: tinyurl dot com/66qnak

“My Words … Never Cease”

Text: tinyurl dot com/5vdtzg

Video: tinyurl dot com/6d859z

[Whyzitsotough]

@johnlds1965 You mormons mock the REAL Jesus Christ the Son of God by making up a mormon jesus..then you satanic pigs worship the prophet of satan joseph smith above Jesus Christ..

[theYwpp]

You are acting very stupid. If you watch other videos we have, there are many referencing to The Bible. We are even making videos reenacting stories from the bible. You can go on to lds.org and search The Bible videos.

[VerusFides]

Amazing ppl can still see this video and open their mouth and show their treasured ignorance.

[skiroyalsummit]

This is powerful...let us move forward in so great a cause...elder hollands words are true...the book of Mormon is true!