These older heroes of all sports where no doubt, talented but, they are no way capable of hanging with the best of this era or any superstars that come our way in the future. The reality of explaining this is, although they were considered to be an A+ player of there time, there was nowhere near as many A, A- or B+ players in that era....Bottom Line!.....Every year the talent pool for every single sport only gets deeper and deeper as the years roll by.
@ThomasMcElroy1 Honus Wagner weighed 200 pounds of solid muscle,had huge hands,was timed 10 seconds flat in 100 yard dash,won a throwing contest by throwing the ball just over 403 feet in the air.Even apart from his great stats,it would seem from measurable facts that he would be MUCH more than capable of "hanging with the best" players today.Mantle`s rookie season was 60 years ago How many active players can hit the ball over 500 feet AND get down to first base in 3.1 seconds like Mantle?Zero.
what a Player he was he had a great career and he was a Louisville Colonel untill 1900 when he along with the rest of Colonels I believe were sold to the Pittsburgh. The Royal Rooters gave him hell in the first World Series
Players today as a rule are larger and faster than ones of years gone by but .... Wagner could throw a baseball approx 400+ feet in his prime according to accounts later mentioned in Baseball Digest. That is *rare* -- even nowadays . He was about as tall as todays average player and heavily muscled. Yes, he'd be awesome in today's game once he adjusted to the slider and the newer lighter bats. Talent is talent regardless of when
@sloppyoscar I agree totally.I also think Wagner would of much rather deal with today`s slider than yesteryear`s spit ball (which was perfectly legal during Wagner`s career).Wagner also spent his whole career during the "dead ball"age when the same ball would be used throughout the whole game. Wagner weighed 200 pounds and ran the 100 yard dash in 10 seconds flat-he WOULD be awesome in today`s game!Wagner was considered by many as the greatest all around player ever.
goddamit what is this music from? it fits the era perfectly and is beautiful. A lot of times user videos pick the most awful garbage to set sports videos to. You did well joeya2006. Now please what is the music from? PLEASE.
Dead ball All Stars: 1B Nap Lajoie(move him form 2nd); 2B Eddie Collins; SS Honus Wagner; 3B Home Run Baker; Catcher Roger Bresnahan; OF Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Joe Jackson; Pitchers Cy Young, Christy Matthewson, Walter Johnson Grover Alexander LHP Rube Wadell of Eddie Plank. If they played under deadball conditions they'd win every game. If they played under modern conditions they'd have to relearn the game. Pitchers with at most 4 days rest and expected to pitch a complete game. Few Home runs.
I'm not sure these guys couldn't hit home runs if that what was required. I believe Ty Cobb hit three home runs in one game just to prove how easy it was for him.
hey, check out my summary of 1903 world series. wagner played in it. he went up against Cy young at one point. i have pictures and exact account of all 8 games
What are you talking about!!? Honus Wagner was 5'11", 200 lbs, Mantle was about 6' and about 200 lbs of beastly muscle, and Berra, although 5'8", was also about 200 lbs and a power hitter. To be honest, most of the best players are around these heights and weights. The average height of the US male population has risen a few inches over the last century , but the average baseball player in the early 1900s was still above that average, at around 5'11".
You should also consider that baseball does not have discontinuous eras. Guys that started their careers when Honus Wagner was retiring went on to face pitchers like Bob Feller, who threw 98.6 mph at the plate (i.e., definitely over 100mph at release point), and they were not suddenly unable to hit anymore. Guys who played with Ruth, like Lou Gehrig, could easily make contact with Feller's fastball, and Gehrig and Ruth were roughly equal in batspeed (slight edge to Ruth and his perfect swing).
Although today's players may be better trained, and in better health overall, baseball is not a game of pure athleticism, as much as sprinting and football are. Take David Wells for example. His athleticism was practically non-existent, yet he had a quite successful career. The physical characteristics that make a good major league player could not have changed that much in 100 years. The only observable differences would be due simply to nutrition and a larger population of new players.
<--continued. It's a silly as saying the early white football players like Red Grange would be a match for Ray Lewis or Ed Reed. It's pure athleticism as well.
Look. I am a lifelong Pirates fan, and I love Hans. But the old white players who smoked and drank, looked 60 when they were 30, and gathered their stats against other white players with bad training could not compete with today's players who are drawn from a larger genetic pool, have better health and training habits, and who have evolved genetically for 100 years. It's as ridiculous as saying Jim Thorpe would beat Usai Bolt in the 100 meters, or George Mikan would stop Dwight Howard.
I hate how every conversation on youtube always turns into either "you're gay" or some racial thing, so I can't believe I'm contributing. I agree though. Old time athletes couldn't compete with today. For the record, Jim Thorpe wasn't white.
No player from that era could make a major league team today. Players are bigger faster stronger. A 6'5 guy would have been a monster in 1909. A freak. We have blacks and hispanics playing now. Nutrition and training are so much better. Back then those guys ate junk, smoked, drank, and didn't train in the off season.
Sorry but i'd have to disagree. I don't think guys like Babe Ruth could make it in today's game, but take one look at Ted William's swing and you can tell that he'd utterly destroy the pitching of today.
The best ballplayers of today are the gritty, five-tool gamers that can do it all - Chase Utley, Ichiro Suzuki, Derek Jeter and the like - and that's the way the great players of the 20s, 30s and 40s were. Guys like Ty Cobb and Lou Gehrig were better than all these guys. They'd be just fine.
im srry 4 that comment that was my anoyying frend i dont hav any iformation that honus was beter than jeter.. personally i think jeter is the best shorstop living 2day nxt 2 cal ripken
They also didn't have expensive equipment and personal trainers to baby every single injury. And these guys had to work in the off season to actually support themselves because they didn't make squat. Try telling ARod to be go back at a lumbermill for the winter. They didn't have perfectly groomed fields which contributed to their high error totals. Oh yeah and they didn't use steroids to make themselves "freaks". You people who claim to be baseball fans seriously need to educate yourselves.
OK, no expensive equipment, no trainers. Sounds like you're supplying additional reasons to make my case. As for steroids, they don't make you 6'5", do they? The old bastards didn't take care of themselves, partially because they didn't know how. They never heard of plyometrics, inertial impulse machines or long-duration iso squats. Their idea of a square meal was a hot dog and a beer followed by a half pack of smokes. It's no fucking wonder those players all looked like they were 60.
I was stating that these players were tougher. Players from most eras after 1900 would probably stack up well today. Players before 1940, however, rarely saw pitching anywhere near as fast as today, which would be a disadvantage. On the other hand, players today do not see trick pitches like the spitball or shine ball which would give any modern player the fits. Longevity-wise, careers of players on the whole are probably about the same length. Wagner played until he was 43. No shame in that.
I never said players of today are tougher or have more character. I am saying the stars of yesteryear couldn't make today's roster through not fault of their own. . The 100 meter dash record is almost a full second faster than it was in 1912.
Evolution of the game, of training, and of genetics means players will get better and better and better over time.
In their condition at the time, I would say no. If you dtropped them into today's time, they might well adapt enough to become good players, but they wouldn't put up the big numbers they did then.
let's reverse the argument. let's tell jeter, arod et al, he's gotta bus/train it to the games, and share a bed with rube wadell, and he's gotta produce or he's goin' to be working in a coal mine for the rest of his life. those men might not be able to compete in today's game, but godammit, they were tough sonsofbitches. finally, there are no aterisks beside any of there numbers. correct me if i'm wrong. i'm not a fanatic, or a "real" sports expert..
Nobody said the old guys were tough or gritty or lacked character. I'm saying they couldn't compete with today's ballplayers because of the reasons I mentioned.
@ddrose06 The guys from the deadball era could definitely play in today's game. Ty Cobb would probably hit .500, and Babe Ruth would probably hit 80 home runs a year.
@deltapunk21 SO. Have you ever worked in a coal mine, you dumb cocksucker? I have , and while I can't be sure, I'm almost certain that playing pro baseball is preferable to working in a coal mine, which was my original point, you motherless waste of skin. Go fuck yourself, ya piece of crap.
Since when does height make you a better baseball player? A hot dog, a beer, and half a pack of smokes never seemed to hurt Babe Ruth's career and his 714 steroid free home runs and his .342 career batting average. Let's see any one player top his numbers today with all of your fancy training. If players today are so much better, why hasn't anyone hit .400 since 1941 or won 30 games since 1968?
Well if you took all the blacks and Latinos out of the game, then sure, you'd see some .400 seasons & some 30-game winners. If that's your measure of greatness in baseball.
Denny McLain won 30 games in 1968 when there were plenty of Latinos and African Americans playing. And if minority players are such game breakers they should be hitting .400 and winning 30 games, also, right? I stand by my opinion that the best players from any era would play well today. No one seems to take into consideration that there are also twice as many major league teams today which thins out competition considerably.
back when baseball was still a young game, like when honus played it was completely different from today...so you cannot compare...back then people went to the ballpark in trench coats and bowl hats, nowadays some people go half dressed painted blue and white in manny wigs screaming at the top of thier lungs..not to mention technology these days always scouts to see players all over the country which wasnt availible back then..and pitching back then would be worse cus that was dead ball era duh
Honus is the greatest shortstop of all time. He has the 12th best fielding of ALL position players at .947, & is 2nd all time for shortstops (Ripken is 1st). To that end, I'd love to see Ripken play with that undersized chunck of leather they called a fielding glove back in Wagner's day!! lol. & he is one of the greatest right handed hitters of all time!
I get frustrated with people who just talk off the top of their head on YT. My thinking is you are already on the Internet, check it out
and i would love to see wagner field 100mph + line drives and grounders coming at him like ripken did? let alone try to some of these fastballs that these pitchers throw today? which are the likes that wagner and players of his time have never seen. im not a ripken fan or dislike wagner but dont be a fool and compare cuz ripken could put up stats to the sky playing back then but dont kid yourself cuz those guys back then never saw anything like the athletes we have today
@BudmanPackfan Stated beautifully. it couldn't have been a picnic fielding a line drive from Ty Cobb with that mashed up piece of crap that passed for a "glove". experiment- get some winter mittens and catch a few line drives with them. Plus , the man could played any position with equal acumen according to his team mate Tommy Leach. He even pitched during a game. He's the best. he also beat the shit out of Ty Cobb in the 1909 world series. this was a big dude. serious error judgment Ty.
im pretty sure the game back then wasn't the same as now..alot of great baseball players these days get overlooked...and pitching now has certainly evolved since houns and babe's era...still honus is a beast
pitchers now cant compare to pitchers back then back then. if you look it up pitchers back then had 10 times better winning percentages and the could get past the 5th inning unlike most pitchers now
I would say that any of the players from those days would make it today. some of todays players have very little ability, but tons of attitude. Babe Ruth said "it ain't bragging if you can do it, many of them today can't
Back in 1980, my son and I met a older gentlemen who saw all the old players play the game. He told us, when my son asked him who was the greatest he ever saw, this man said,"Honus Wagner." Shame on baseball for not naming him to the all century team a few years ago. We, who never saw these men play, must realize the likes of Wagner, Speaker, Hornsby, The Big Train Johnson, and of course Cy Young, might indeed be better than todays players we are familiar with. Ruth & Cobb,
rockerduff do you know anything about baseball the dead ball era ended in 1911 know wonder why he didnt hit like Barry Roid. And he was way better than Ty Cobb
Baseball's best shortstops are Wagner, Arky Vaughn, Ripken, A-Rod, Jeter, Smith, Trammel, Larkin, Banks, Joe Cronin and Robin Yount. If we were to rank these guys 1 to 11, the only thing that could not be debatable is that Honus would be number one.
wouldn't it be amazing to have a honus wagner card right now. i dont think i would sell it but treasure it like it's the only thing i had.if i did buy it that would be the only thing i had lol
In 1908 he led the league in batting average, RBIs, hits, doubles, triples, on-base percentage, slugging percentage, total bases, extra-base hits, and stolen bases
because it's rare, there used to be a series of cards that came with the American Tobacco Company products back in the day and Wagner wouldn't let them produce any more cards of him because he didn't want kids buying cigarettes to get his card, as a reault only a few were made,the Honus Wagner card from that series in good condition is worth over 3 million Greatzky used to own that card
his card is so desireable because it is such a rare card and a common honus wagner ANYTHING whether its t-206 or y-486 or u-102 or w/e im just naming random things but ALL honus wagner cards are worth a lot of money if they are in good condition and one of him on the back of a cigarette sponsor? odd? uncommon? rare? valuable!
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JaVolimBosna 1 month ago
These older heroes of all sports where no doubt, talented but, they are no way capable of hanging with the best of this era or any superstars that come our way in the future. The reality of explaining this is, although they were considered to be an A+ player of there time, there was nowhere near as many A, A- or B+ players in that era....Bottom Line!.....Every year the talent pool for every single sport only gets deeper and deeper as the years roll by.
ThomasMcElroy1 7 months ago
@ThomasMcElroy1 actually every single "older heroes" are 1000x better then every single player today.
reyes2303MS 7 months ago
@ThomasMcElroy1 Honus Wagner weighed 200 pounds of solid muscle,had huge hands,was timed 10 seconds flat in 100 yard dash,won a throwing contest by throwing the ball just over 403 feet in the air.Even apart from his great stats,it would seem from measurable facts that he would be MUCH more than capable of "hanging with the best" players today.Mantle`s rookie season was 60 years ago How many active players can hit the ball over 500 feet AND get down to first base in 3.1 seconds like Mantle?Zero.
brianwells456comcast 6 months ago
At least old ball players didn't feel the need to use performance enhancing drugs...
Shivierie 7 months ago
@Shivierie your right thats why i hate ryan braun sammy sosa barry bonds and others
travis8352 1 month ago
what a Player he was he had a great career and he was a Louisville Colonel untill 1900 when he along with the rest of Colonels I believe were sold to the Pittsburgh. The Royal Rooters gave him hell in the first World Series
Wehategod 1 year ago
Honus Wagner was the greatest baseball player of all time, period.
manco82 1 year ago
@manco82 no ty cobb babe ruth honus
travis8352 1 month ago
honus wagner greatest baseball player ive seen
TheJaycee00 1 year ago
Players today as a rule are larger and faster than ones of years gone by but .... Wagner could throw a baseball approx 400+ feet in his prime according to accounts later mentioned in Baseball Digest. That is *rare* -- even nowadays . He was about as tall as todays average player and heavily muscled. Yes, he'd be awesome in today's game once he adjusted to the slider and the newer lighter bats. Talent is talent regardless of when
sloppyoscar 1 year ago 5
@sloppyoscar I agree totally.I also think Wagner would of much rather deal with today`s slider than yesteryear`s spit ball (which was perfectly legal during Wagner`s career).Wagner also spent his whole career during the "dead ball"age when the same ball would be used throughout the whole game. Wagner weighed 200 pounds and ran the 100 yard dash in 10 seconds flat-he WOULD be awesome in today`s game!Wagner was considered by many as the greatest all around player ever.
brianwells456comcast 10 months ago
goddamit what is this music from? it fits the era perfectly and is beautiful. A lot of times user videos pick the most awful garbage to set sports videos to. You did well joeya2006. Now please what is the music from? PLEASE.
brianCIM 1 year ago
Dead ball All Stars: 1B Nap Lajoie(move him form 2nd); 2B Eddie Collins; SS Honus Wagner; 3B Home Run Baker; Catcher Roger Bresnahan; OF Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Joe Jackson; Pitchers Cy Young, Christy Matthewson, Walter Johnson Grover Alexander LHP Rube Wadell of Eddie Plank. If they played under deadball conditions they'd win every game. If they played under modern conditions they'd have to relearn the game. Pitchers with at most 4 days rest and expected to pitch a complete game. Few Home runs.
trajan75 1 year ago
@trajan75
I'm not sure these guys couldn't hit home runs if that what was required. I believe Ty Cobb hit three home runs in one game just to prove how easy it was for him.
bertmustin 1 year ago
@bertmustin NO doubt they would adjust.
trajan75 1 year ago
CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT THIS MUSIC IS? it's really beautful.
brianCIM 1 year ago
hey, check out my summary of 1903 world series. wagner played in it. he went up against Cy young at one point. i have pictures and exact account of all 8 games
avalsonline 1 year ago
@avalsonline 8 games?
shadowhawk72 1 year ago
@shadowhawk72 yeah, first world series was a best of 9 contest
avalsonline 1 year ago
@avalsonline oh. well that's something i didn't know
shadowhawk72 1 year ago
"There's not much to being a ballplayer, if you're a ballplayer."
-- Honus Wagner
PeerlessPaavo 2 years ago
The original ruth... He was the best b4 ruth!
MIke
MikeKlaxton 2 years ago
You people who are using the size arugument that yesterdays players can't cut it with todays bigger players need to consider.
Cobb,Wagner,Ruth,Grove,Johmson,.Mathewson,amd plenty more,were all at least 6' or more.
The pitchers could top 90 mph,the hitters could clear todays drawn in fences.There were plenty of speedsters back then.
The arugement that yesterdays great players coudn't cut it today because they aren't bigger or faster is wrong.
Rusfi16 2 years ago 3
actually, most players in the early 1900's of baseball were very small. Honus was only 5'8, mantel 5'6 and berra about 5'4
magicman6151 2 years ago
What are you talking about!!? Honus Wagner was 5'11", 200 lbs, Mantle was about 6' and about 200 lbs of beastly muscle, and Berra, although 5'8", was also about 200 lbs and a power hitter. To be honest, most of the best players are around these heights and weights. The average height of the US male population has risen a few inches over the last century , but the average baseball player in the early 1900s was still above that average, at around 5'11".
YourAverageBear 2 years ago
You should also consider that baseball does not have discontinuous eras. Guys that started their careers when Honus Wagner was retiring went on to face pitchers like Bob Feller, who threw 98.6 mph at the plate (i.e., definitely over 100mph at release point), and they were not suddenly unable to hit anymore. Guys who played with Ruth, like Lou Gehrig, could easily make contact with Feller's fastball, and Gehrig and Ruth were roughly equal in batspeed (slight edge to Ruth and his perfect swing).
pussyfat12 2 years ago 2
Although today's players may be better trained, and in better health overall, baseball is not a game of pure athleticism, as much as sprinting and football are. Take David Wells for example. His athleticism was practically non-existent, yet he had a quite successful career. The physical characteristics that make a good major league player could not have changed that much in 100 years. The only observable differences would be due simply to nutrition and a larger population of new players.
pussyfat12 2 years ago
<--continued. It's a silly as saying the early white football players like Red Grange would be a match for Ray Lewis or Ed Reed. It's pure athleticism as well.
fruticetum 2 years ago
Look. I am a lifelong Pirates fan, and I love Hans. But the old white players who smoked and drank, looked 60 when they were 30, and gathered their stats against other white players with bad training could not compete with today's players who are drawn from a larger genetic pool, have better health and training habits, and who have evolved genetically for 100 years. It's as ridiculous as saying Jim Thorpe would beat Usai Bolt in the 100 meters, or George Mikan would stop Dwight Howard.
fruticetum 2 years ago
I hate how every conversation on youtube always turns into either "you're gay" or some racial thing, so I can't believe I'm contributing. I agree though. Old time athletes couldn't compete with today. For the record, Jim Thorpe wasn't white.
phully 2 years ago
Right. My point about Thorpe wasn't about race; it was about performance evolving over the past 100 years.
fruticetum 2 years ago
It's kind of funny that the so called best shortstop of all time had such terrible error totals.
Rusfi16 2 years ago
maybe you should consider the poor quality of the gloves and field conditions he had to work with before you make that statement
calvinhobbes0bluejay 2 years ago 4
No player from that era could make a major league team today. Players are bigger faster stronger. A 6'5 guy would have been a monster in 1909. A freak. We have blacks and hispanics playing now. Nutrition and training are so much better. Back then those guys ate junk, smoked, drank, and didn't train in the off season.
fruticetum 2 years ago
Sorry but i'd have to disagree. I don't think guys like Babe Ruth could make it in today's game, but take one look at Ted William's swing and you can tell that he'd utterly destroy the pitching of today.
The best ballplayers of today are the gritty, five-tool gamers that can do it all - Chase Utley, Ichiro Suzuki, Derek Jeter and the like - and that's the way the great players of the 20s, 30s and 40s were. Guys like Ty Cobb and Lou Gehrig were better than all these guys. They'd be just fine.
Philly1330 2 years ago
Hey, I love Hansand hate Jeter, but do you think for a second the short squat Wagner could cover half the ground Jeter can?
fruticetum 2 years ago
Honus is a fuck load better than jeter and any other shortstop in the universe dont even go there
caughtinwire 2 years ago 2
It's easy to blab, but you have nothing to back up your statement.
fruticetum 2 years ago
im srry 4 that comment that was my anoyying frend i dont hav any iformation that honus was beter than jeter.. personally i think jeter is the best shorstop living 2day nxt 2 cal ripken
caughtinwire 2 years ago
no prob:)
fruticetum 2 years ago
They also didn't have expensive equipment and personal trainers to baby every single injury. And these guys had to work in the off season to actually support themselves because they didn't make squat. Try telling ARod to be go back at a lumbermill for the winter. They didn't have perfectly groomed fields which contributed to their high error totals. Oh yeah and they didn't use steroids to make themselves "freaks". You people who claim to be baseball fans seriously need to educate yourselves.
bigzach1000 2 years ago
OK, no expensive equipment, no trainers. Sounds like you're supplying additional reasons to make my case. As for steroids, they don't make you 6'5", do they? The old bastards didn't take care of themselves, partially because they didn't know how. They never heard of plyometrics, inertial impulse machines or long-duration iso squats. Their idea of a square meal was a hot dog and a beer followed by a half pack of smokes. It's no fucking wonder those players all looked like they were 60.
fruticetum 2 years ago
I was stating that these players were tougher. Players from most eras after 1900 would probably stack up well today. Players before 1940, however, rarely saw pitching anywhere near as fast as today, which would be a disadvantage. On the other hand, players today do not see trick pitches like the spitball or shine ball which would give any modern player the fits. Longevity-wise, careers of players on the whole are probably about the same length. Wagner played until he was 43. No shame in that.
bigzach1000 2 years ago
I never said players of today are tougher or have more character. I am saying the stars of yesteryear couldn't make today's roster through not fault of their own. . The 100 meter dash record is almost a full second faster than it was in 1912.
Evolution of the game, of training, and of genetics means players will get better and better and better over time.
fruticetum 2 years ago
Are you saying that Gehrig,Dimaggio,Cobb,Collins,Speaker et al couldnt play in todays game? Come on!
sagamoreboy 2 years ago
In their condition at the time, I would say no. If you dtropped them into today's time, they might well adapt enough to become good players, but they wouldn't put up the big numbers they did then.
fruticetum 2 years ago
let's reverse the argument. let's tell jeter, arod et al, he's gotta bus/train it to the games, and share a bed with rube wadell, and he's gotta produce or he's goin' to be working in a coal mine for the rest of his life. those men might not be able to compete in today's game, but godammit, they were tough sonsofbitches. finally, there are no aterisks beside any of there numbers. correct me if i'm wrong. i'm not a fanatic, or a "real" sports expert..
ddrose06 2 years ago 15
Nobody said the old guys were tough or gritty or lacked character. I'm saying they couldn't compete with today's ballplayers because of the reasons I mentioned.
fruticetum 2 years ago
damn right
deanw0rmer 2 years ago
@ddrose06 The guys from the deadball era could definitely play in today's game. Ty Cobb would probably hit .500, and Babe Ruth would probably hit 80 home runs a year.
crwnikeboy 1 year ago
@ddrose06 aint nothing wrong then or now working in a coal mine jackass
deltapunk21 1 year ago
@deltapunk21 have you ever worked in a coal mine?
ddrose06 1 year ago
@deltapunk21 SO. Have you ever worked in a coal mine, you dumb cocksucker? I have , and while I can't be sure, I'm almost certain that playing pro baseball is preferable to working in a coal mine, which was my original point, you motherless waste of skin. Go fuck yourself, ya piece of crap.
ddrose06 1 year ago
Since when does height make you a better baseball player? A hot dog, a beer, and half a pack of smokes never seemed to hurt Babe Ruth's career and his 714 steroid free home runs and his .342 career batting average. Let's see any one player top his numbers today with all of your fancy training. If players today are so much better, why hasn't anyone hit .400 since 1941 or won 30 games since 1968?
bigzach1000 2 years ago
Babe Ruth and his contemporaries weren't hitting against guys with 95 mph sliders night in and night out.
fruticetum 2 years ago
Well if you took all the blacks and Latinos out of the game, then sure, you'd see some .400 seasons & some 30-game winners. If that's your measure of greatness in baseball.
The games themselves would suck, though.
chicobangs 2 years ago
Denny McLain won 30 games in 1968 when there were plenty of Latinos and African Americans playing. And if minority players are such game breakers they should be hitting .400 and winning 30 games, also, right? I stand by my opinion that the best players from any era would play well today. No one seems to take into consideration that there are also twice as many major league teams today which thins out competition considerably.
bigzach1000 2 years ago
back when baseball was still a young game, like when honus played it was completely different from today...so you cannot compare...back then people went to the ballpark in trench coats and bowl hats, nowadays some people go half dressed painted blue and white in manny wigs screaming at the top of thier lungs..not to mention technology these days always scouts to see players all over the country which wasnt availible back then..and pitching back then would be worse cus that was dead ball era duh
emanuelfrost1 2 years ago
the most underated player of all time
cherpy0562 2 years ago 4
Honus is the greatest shortstop of all time. He has the 12th best fielding of ALL position players at .947, & is 2nd all time for shortstops (Ripken is 1st). To that end, I'd love to see Ripken play with that undersized chunck of leather they called a fielding glove back in Wagner's day!! lol. & he is one of the greatest right handed hitters of all time!
I get frustrated with people who just talk off the top of their head on YT. My thinking is you are already on the Internet, check it out
BudmanPackfan 2 years ago 9
and i would love to see wagner field 100mph + line drives and grounders coming at him like ripken did? let alone try to some of these fastballs that these pitchers throw today? which are the likes that wagner and players of his time have never seen. im not a ripken fan or dislike wagner but dont be a fool and compare cuz ripken could put up stats to the sky playing back then but dont kid yourself cuz those guys back then never saw anything like the athletes we have today
cleancutt2001 2 years ago
yeah thats cause the didnt fuckin use steroids you asshole
culinary531 2 years ago
@BudmanPackfan Stated beautifully. it couldn't have been a picnic fielding a line drive from Ty Cobb with that mashed up piece of crap that passed for a "glove". experiment- get some winter mittens and catch a few line drives with them. Plus , the man could played any position with equal acumen according to his team mate Tommy Leach. He even pitched during a game. He's the best. he also beat the shit out of Ty Cobb in the 1909 world series. this was a big dude. serious error judgment Ty.
brianCIM 1 year ago
hous is mah hero
RandomSPORTS12 2 years ago
im pretty sure the game back then wasn't the same as now..alot of great baseball players these days get overlooked...and pitching now has certainly evolved since houns and babe's era...still honus is a beast
emanuelfrost1 2 years ago
pitchers now cant compare to pitchers back then back then. if you look it up pitchers back then had 10 times better winning percentages and the could get past the 5th inning unlike most pitchers now
culinary531 2 years ago
does anyone know if there is any action footage of honus availible
wesisdadon 2 years ago
it's sad music!
basketballrizzo 3 years ago
I would do anything for that card.
jkeith2525 3 years ago
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yahboydude123 2 years ago
ty cobb says that wagner was the greatest baseball player that he ever saw...and i wouldnt disagree
afcsoccer1016 3 years ago 3
@afcsoccer1016
So did Hall of Fame Manager John McGraw ! Incredibly high praise coming from these two tough old bastards...
kirbycol4 1 year ago
A good film is The Winning Season, starring Matthew Modine as Hons Wagner.
VanWhistler 3 years ago 2
saw the movie yesterday........and you`re right, it is really a pretty good one, although it`s a low budget
DxStyla 2 years ago
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as far as you all know, wagoner had a .500 fielding percentage. Stats weren't reliable back then.
cheeriopisser2 3 years ago
I would say that any of the players from those days would make it today. some of todays players have very little ability, but tons of attitude. Babe Ruth said "it ain't bragging if you can do it, many of them today can't
kapute2 3 years ago
they would make it because they are strong hitters and its not the dead ball era
BryceTannerCooper 3 years ago
Back in 1980, my son and I met a older gentlemen who saw all the old players play the game. He told us, when my son asked him who was the greatest he ever saw, this man said,"Honus Wagner." Shame on baseball for not naming him to the all century team a few years ago. We, who never saw these men play, must realize the likes of Wagner, Speaker, Hornsby, The Big Train Johnson, and of course Cy Young, might indeed be better than todays players we are familiar with. Ruth & Cobb,
not too shabby.
Elfweir 3 years ago 3
fuck that all century team there are tons of errors
rockerduff1231 2 years ago
I bet you if Honus was a Yankee, he would have been named to the team.
Harshcore811 2 years ago
Wagner was nominated to the All Century Team. He was added by a panel of experts.
bigzach1000 2 years ago 2
Honus Wagner was the greatest SS ever to live. Period.
1927MurderersRow 3 years ago 8
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Alex Rodriguez is the best SS ever...but he has a second rate SS playing that position in front of him.
cheeriopisser2 3 years ago
OZZIE SMITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mikeskating9 3 years ago
Ozzie was a great fielder, but couldn't hit worth a squirt of piss. He also lacked an arm, therefore is definitely not the greatest SS ever.
cheeriopisser2 3 years ago 3
Honus Wagner = best short stop in the history of baseball.
Thatsfun08 3 years ago 3
vintage
LADs55 3 years ago
Honus was the greatest and the smartest baseball player in the world!
BrevenD22 3 years ago 2
Oh and Houns and Me is the best book.
Jmf8337 3 years ago 6
it is isnt it haha
SILENT1Guy 3 years ago
rockerduff do you know anything about baseball the dead ball era ended in 1911 know wonder why he didnt hit like Barry Roid. And he was way better than Ty Cobb
Jmf8337 3 years ago 2
retard he was the best he had no errors
BrevenD22 3 years ago
Rockerduff is rockerdork he barely commited any errors and didn't hit for power because it was the dead ball era
qxxblondeexxb 3 years ago 3
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wagner made a lot of errors and he hit for almost no power
rockerduff1231 3 years ago
he's the best short stop in the history of baseball
CaffinatedMonkey 3 years ago 21
Baseball's best shortstops are Wagner, Arky Vaughn, Ripken, A-Rod, Jeter, Smith, Trammel, Larkin, Banks, Joe Cronin and Robin Yount. If we were to rank these guys 1 to 11, the only thing that could not be debatable is that Honus would be number one.
SnWmodel29 3 years ago 5
you're forgetting omar visquel, who has the best fielding percentage of any shortstop ever.
thekillercure21 3 years ago
He is effinily the best shortstop to ever play the game aand his hands were huge!! Yall should read that book Honus And Me its really really good!!
johncenafu54 4 years ago 4
The best player before Cobb, and might even be the best player after Cobb.
Not saying he is, but he's up there. I believe he could've been quite a power threat in the lively ball era.
DiMagRocks 4 years ago 5
I have one.
soad10ratm 4 years ago
7 million dollar card
okay
09JERBEAR 4 years ago
I have several of them. I use them as shims around my house.
nonsuchfabio 3 years ago
lol even the replicas cost two shakes of a persian kitten's whiskers
rockerduff1231 3 years ago 2
wouldn't it be amazing to have a honus wagner card right now. i dont think i would sell it but treasure it like it's the only thing i had.if i did buy it that would be the only thing i had lol
spracklen15 4 years ago
In 1908 he led the league in batting average, RBIs, hits, doubles, triples, on-base percentage, slugging percentage, total bases, extra-base hits, and stolen bases
pensgoalie41 4 years ago
I bring my Honus Wagner reprint to work for "Good Luck"!
sayitaintso08 4 years ago
over one million dollars ok i need that. i will search i collect baseball cards
bostonkids6 4 years ago
because it's rare, there used to be a series of cards that came with the American Tobacco Company products back in the day and Wagner wouldn't let them produce any more cards of him because he didn't want kids buying cigarettes to get his card, as a reault only a few were made,the Honus Wagner card from that series in good condition is worth over 3 million Greatzky used to own that card
bobcaygeonfrench 4 years ago
i was there
falconfan1995 4 years ago
his card is so desireable because it is such a rare card and a common honus wagner ANYTHING whether its t-206 or y-486 or u-102 or w/e im just naming random things but ALL honus wagner cards are worth a lot of money if they are in good condition and one of him on the back of a cigarette sponsor? odd? uncommon? rare? valuable!
rockerduff1231 4 years ago
I know that his card is the most desirable ever. But why?
BronxBomber182 4 years ago
0:26 ?...who is that batting?..he was right handed...hmm..odd
darrin924 4 years ago
apparently late in games when he felt he "couldn't hit a lick" he'd get up and bat lefty....
joeya2006 4 years ago
wow...thats AMAZING...i have rarely , if ever , had someone tell me something i didnt know about the greats of the game
thanx for the info...cant believe i never knew that
darrin924 4 years ago
no more 206
Kurfan26 4 years ago
my mistake wish i had his T206 card
sammysosa45 4 years ago
nice
kojtx1v 4 years ago