People being jailed for burning a book is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I could burn a Harry Potter book right about now and no one would give a damn. Not even those die-hard Harry Potter fans. However, the Muslims went crazy because Pastor Terry Jones burnt the Koran. The left condemns this but doesn't condemn the fact that in the UK, Muslim extremists burnt poppies and condemned dead British soldiers to hell. They say the latter is free speech but not what Jones did
You do have to admit, though, that Terry Jones SHOULD'VE known better than to burn the Koran knowing the possible reaction/consequences that would result from it. To top that off, any potential for reconciliation betweeen moderate Muslims and non-Muslims has been significantly pushed away with this kind of idiocy.
Responsible for the killings? No. An idiot for burning the Koran knowing the possible consequences? TBH, calling him an "idiot" would be a bit generous!
If Terry Jones had no right to burn the Koran as a public statement, then why should Marylin Manson have ever had the right to desecrate Christian images and distroy Bibles onstage during his AntiChrist Superstar tour?
I LIVE INCOUNTRY WITH MUSLIM CONFESSION! AND I KNOW STUPIDNESS AND HERD INSTINKT THAT TAKES OVER RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. WE ARE ALL HUMAN WHO HAS RIGHT TO EXPRESS HIS/HER OPINION. HE JUST BURNED THE BOOK SO WHAT?! HE DIDN'T CAUSE PHISICAL HARM TO ANYONE AND THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. NO BOOK OR IDEOLOGY (BELIEF) WHATSOEVER ARE WORTH HUMAN LIFE. MUSLIMS ALSO CAN BURM BIBLE, SO WHAT?! THOSE WHO FIND IT AS PROVOCATION SHOULD HAVE HIS/HER HEAD EXAMINED. BECOUSE IT'S SERIOUS PSYCOLOGICAL DISORDER.
I'M NEITHER CHRISTIAN NOR MUSLIM! BUT I'M CONVINCED TARRY HAD DONE NOTHING WRONG! HE JUST MADE HIS POINT OF VIEW ARTICULATE, THAT'S IT. WE LIVE IN XXI CENTURY AND WE SHOULD FINALLY BE TOLLERANT AND LEARN TO LISTEN TO OTHER'S OPINIONS.
Those people didn't just "run out of their mosque." The imam's who run these mosques whip these crowds into a frenzy w/ these occasions. The imams incited this mob, but cowards (by virtue of their cowardice) are choosing to attack some other scapegoat b/c they are afraid to address the real aggressors.
Thw whole Islamic doctorine is based on hatred and poison the the ordinary muslims mind. Mustafa kemal Ataturk as well regarded Islam as poison of society.
Before Mr. Jones, muslims were killing infidels. Before US occupation of Iraq & Afghanistan, muslims were killing infidels. Muslims kill people regardless, and im glad to see someone who is not afraid to be politically incorrect and point out the obvious flaw in the teachings of Islam that politicians have remained ignorant to.
More lies from a Liberal Moron who appease Racist Sexist Fascist Islam.
Islam is not a religion its Nazi Pedophile death cult. and you keep believing the lie that Islam is peaceful. If islam was peaceful then Non Muslims would be allowed to enter mecca which they are not cause they are considered unclean. Hamas other muslim groups Count bin laden their holy leader. but in the end Israel will crush your muslim heroes.
@freedombase Islam is truly another form of Satanism, it is about following without choice, lying, and murdering. Also you know how they say Jesus was one of their prophets? 8 of their commandments contradict that and say he was evil.
Terry Jones is not responsible but what terry Jones did was made to provoke a response... Rejecting the Koran is different from burning it: burning it implies an act of malice. The murders are not on him but it's questionable as to his motivations.
@freedombase peaceably assemble, freedom of religion etc... Honestly I don't see what the first amendment has to do with anything I said. He has the right to say whatever, I never said what he did was illegal (I was careful not to do that), but when he knows the consequences of his actions could lead to deaths on the battle field then he should himself know his own responsibility. And so should the media that gave him the time of day...
@nanaforiod More lies from a sheep it was Muslim Neo Nazi Pedophiles who killed the UN staff save one who pretended to be a muslim. If you do not like America then go to Iran where they hate free speech and censor the Internet. Terry Jones have every right to burn the KKK quran and protest in front of the Mosque even the ALCU grudgingly says terry Jones is in the right . I cant wait till Dear Born has to pay Jones legal fees.
@freedombase ummm, wtf? Seriously did you just copy paste this from some sort of forum because nothing in this sad excuse for a response was in any way related to what I said.
No matter what anyone says Terry Jones is not "in the right" and never will be but I don't think you are interested in arguing with me anyway, I think you are trying to prove how ultra nationalist you are and that is just sad.
Lastly when did I EVER say that I did not like America?
@freedombase Also, you fucking RAGER, throwing in words like "KKK" and "Neo Nazi Pedophiles" shows how IMMATURE and IGNORANT you really are.
BTW If you ever want to call your self a true American you cannot hide behind the laws as if they were loopholes, you have to think about consequences! Like if you get innocent's killed as collateral because you are too proud then YOU are the REAL enemy!! (namely Terry Jones)
Terry Jones Did not Kill Innocents Islam Did. Americans will not give up our rights to appease Islam. Americans will in fact fight for our freedoms and we will use the 2nd Amendment to defend our 1st Amendment.
TRENTON — The New Jersey Transit employee fired for burning pages of the Quran at the site of a proposed Islamic center near Ground Zero will get his job back, according to a settlement obtained by The Star-Ledger.
@freedombase YOU again? Seriously "did not kill" is that your final argument? Technically the "president" of the KKK did not (necessarily) kill black people. So I guess you are right, being an ignorant Bigot who preaches hatred and ignorance is technically NOT against the law. SO THE F*CK WHAT!! You're an idiot: The SECOND Amendment and the FIRST Amendment have NOTHING to do with each other!!!
@nanaforiod KKK ran by Robert Byrd a Liberal democrat and the KKK backed the gun control the 2nd Amendment is the teeth of the BOR/Constitution . Terry Jones will win in the end and you Muslim Loving Anti Freedom of Speech nuts will Lose and Dearborn will pay the price.
@freedombase Muslim loving? Anti freedom of speech? Do those even count as insults (especially the first one)? Who cares what the KKK did the Second Amendment still has nothing to do with the first... also what does Robert Byrd being a Liberal Democrat figure into this argument at all? I have Muslim friends. I practice my freedom of speech daily. I am not gonna let a fucking hick threaten me.
@nanaforiod Hick typical just another racist Anti Semite Slur from a Liberal Leftest Muslim Lackey.
your Muslim Friends are just following the quran by lying to you to further Islam. But no Matter Terry Jones will have all of his legal bills paid for by Dearborn and still protest in front of that Nazi Pedophile Mosque. and not a damn thing you liberal Jew hating Muslim Child rapist can do about it.
@freedombase Now I KNOW you are a troll. Now I'm an Anti Semite am I?
Let me put this to you simply, Terry Jones's legal situation does not affect me in the least, what I pointed out was that there were unfortunate (avoidable) consequences to his actions. As to the reason I called you a "Hick", well you can figure that out for yourself.
Your an ignorant, lead brained, and confused little Troll.
I'm the racist? Really? "Muslim Child Rapist"? Really?
@nanaforiod Poor liberal still defending Muslim savages and hates free speech. so i guess Salman Rushide is responsible for Islam putting a Bounty on his head as well? and Theo Van Goth is also responsible for a Muslim Savage stabbing him to death and cutting his head off What about all the people who leave islam and have bounties put on their heads are the cause of being marked for death. Leaving Islam is considered Blasphemy which is punishable by Death
@freedombase That is not a part of the religion itself, that is a cult of people who practice the religion as extremists.
Extremists exist in all religions and as religions themselves in some cases. The only reason that you are recognizing the extremist Muslims is that there is a spotlight on them now (because they are opposed to the US in their country).
Not only are you ignorant but willfully so. Have you ever read the Qua-ran? How can you judge a religion you know nothing about?
@nanaforiod Terry Jones is a publicity-seeking tool. If you perform a search, though, you'll find dozens of other people on YouTube who have posted videos of qu'ran burnings. The only difference between them and Terry Jones is the attention Jones received from the national press. I don't condone qu'ran burnings, but in the same vein I don't think they should be punished (see Brian de Palma below). If we capitulate to threats of violence, we're the ones allowing terrorism to work.
@FreemanicParacusia Your point? Example. You see a kid with a weapon poking out of his pocket in a store. Do you:
a Alert the proper authorities that there may be a threat of robbery.
b Try to provoke the boy into an attack by emasculating him.
We don't allow terrorism to happen by thinking of consequences, we allow them to win when we make enemies of their potential allies. Islam is not the enemy, terrorism is; choose your battles or lose the war.
@nanaforiod Capitulating to threats of violence only leads to more demands. Ask Neville Chamberlain. Our freedoms can only be stripped away when we allow it to be done to us.
You'll never win a war if you refuse to acknowledge why your enemies are fighting it. How long was Nidal Hassan's extremism ignored before he shot up Fort Hood? Pretending that a problem doesn't exist won't make it go away. When the theater's on fire, I won't apologize for seeing where the smoke is coming from.
@FreemanicParacusia I think u are an intelligent person (more so by far than the other "free" on this message board) but I think you have mis-understood me. I don't think that appeasing the terrorists is the way to go, I just think that attacking them head on without realizing their end game is folly. For example people who say that Islam leads to terrorism might alienate the entire Muslim population and become the de facto "voice of America".
@Andsormida01 You sure? Can I ask where you heard this? I'd just be really interested to find this is true but I'm a big fan of his and I've always heard Christopher Hitchens say he is "a Socialist and NOT a liberal".
@migkillertwo So, you're saying that the one billion plus Muslims in the world should all share the blame for the actions of a relatively small, radical faction?
@PapaT74 It's time to stop pretending this is a "relatively small, radical faction." 40% of UK Muslims - not Iran, not Saudi Arabia, ENGLAND - want Sharia, not parliamentary democracy in that country. 7% in the same survey said suicide bombings were justified. Even if we were to assume that those in the mideast fell along the same lines (which would be lowballing it, considering +90% of women are FGM'd in places like Egypt), we're still talking about hundreds of millions of people worldwide.
@FreemanicParacusia All your credibility is weak. You're saying a lot of things without proper evidence and without proper context. Also, in the case of half of the numbers, you have even admitted that you have made them up. How can you use such a flimsy argument to justify anything?
Also what do any of these assumptions prove? I think you are just another ignorant bigot on the internet; another liar who justifies his lies with preconceptions and more lies.
@nanaforiod I never "made up" anything. Since you can't seem to be bothered to perform a single Google search before leveling all the familiar accusations, here are my sources.
Sharia in England survey from UK-Telegraph:
telegraph co uk news uknews 1510866 Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK html
90% FGM in Egypt:
huffingtonpost com evelyn-leopold female-circumcism----90-p_b_822283 html
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@FreemanicParacusia "Want Sharia law in England" and are a threat to democracy (or whatever) are two different things. Kind of like the difference between having (relatively) radical views and being a terrorist.
For another example: Americans who disagree with people of different religious backgrounds are different from bigot's, the difference is all in the context. If you decided that because of your differing views that they were inferior to you then... you're a bigot.
@nanaforiod Not all Muslims want Sharia, as the survey showed. Certainly not all Muslims are bigots, far from it. What makes a person a bigot is when they want to enforce their views on the rest of society. Unfortunately, Sharia law demands exactly that.
Islam is not just a religion, it's the full package: an economic, financial, military, and legal system rolled into one, meant to apply to everyone, not just Muslims - and under this system, non-Muslims are third-class citizens (dhimmi).
@FreemanicParacusia If your definition ofBigot is to stand you would literally have to call out the entire US government and it's «containment theory» approach. Was America bigotted in their aproach? Maybe. But the idea was that the US was promoting freedom by spreading Democracy. BTW many religions [including christianity] found their ways into politics, military and society at points in their histories.
I am on the left, I'm an atheist, and I think that Terry Jones is a complete ass hat, but he has every right to burn the Qu'ran and Muslims acting out in dispicable ways, that is on them, well, it's on the environment they were nurtured in too. The Bible is just as atrocious as the Qu'ran but people are raised in a society that allows free speech and that you can't get violent just because someone is shitting on your beliefs. That is secular morality talking by the way. Read Deuteronomy 13...
@MacabreManifesto ...the writers of the bible would never advocate silently sitting by and defending your beliefs and making fun of the opposition, they would want you to commit genocide against anyone who would dare defy Judaism, and, by extension, Christianity.
@MacabreManifesto This is a pretty standard tactic by critics of judeo-christian philosophy. Pick a couple of old-testament quotes and pretend it's representative of the whole. The fact of the matter is, there are no open-ended calls to violence in the torah or the bible. Early violence is superseded with later calls for peace. The qu'ran reverses this, with early peace superseded by later calls for violence, which we see in abundance to this day. This kind of relativism is completely unhinged.
@MacabreManifesto For a bit of perspective, Muhammad routinely had his critics killed. Jesus was killed by his critics - and chastised one of his apostles for trying to defend him. The dichotomy could not be more clear.
What's wrong with burning the Bible or the Qur'an? Both books are equally worthless. Jesus was a faggot and Mohammed drank camel piss, only religious freaks care. I loved it when I found out the Romans burned the Christians. ...and everyone knows Terry Jones looks like a total freak. Just look at the fat lazy pig that started the fire....he looks like he ate a few too many Qur'an. ...We should have holiday for burning Muslims, Christians, and Jews. lol ...typical religious freaks. lol :D
I will bite. Christians are a bunch of barbarians. I've yet to hear about Muslims or Jews going on to crusades and killing mountains of people. Religions don't kill people. People kill people. I'm ignostic btw ;)
Beheading is not an exception from being killed - stop miss-speaking, you of all people better get your words straight - seeing as how you crucify others for their faulty talkin'. otherwise, good job.
Shouldn't Thunderf00t be held accountable too since last month he held a "draw Muhammad day"? Couldn't we just as easily argue that TF pissed the Muslim community off, and pastor Terry was just the straw that broke the camels back? Why do liberals defend Islam so much, or at least, why do they ignore its violent tendencies.
Terry Jones is no more responsible for any of those deaths than Julian Assange is responsible for any U.S. operative being exposed by his journalism. Apply duty-based ethics if you're not sure why.
I dont think Brits have screwy teeth Americans just have really really bright teeth, some people like the Royals and some dont and people enjoy football by the barrel fool because its amazing
@jesushatesyoutoo A man named Arif Uka shot and killed two U.S. servicemen at Frankfurt Airport this March as they were boarding a bus. He said he was inspired by a video on YouTube (gqY3byKolSA) which depicted American soldiers raping Iraqi women.
What he had watched was a clip from Brian de Palma's anti-war film "Redacted," which was re-cut to look like real footage with text calling for muslims to rise up against the west.
By your logic, Brian de Palma should be brought up on charges, too.
Hahaha, Islam has just proved his point that they are violent! I liked this video, although I did NOT appreciate you calling him looney at the beginning.
I don't think he should be thrown in jail, because the "speech" he pulled is protected by the First Amendment just like everyone else. However, the burning of a sacred text like the Quran is somewhat comparable to the KKK burning crosses on lawns (go figure), and I think this nutjob (I say that with a passion) SHOULD have known better!
So this guy sees a fire and he shouts fire. The fire kills (12) people before the audience notices it. People point at Jones and shout ""murderer". On April 22, he is going to Dearborn. This will prove if American islam is any different. First he will speak about violence being bad. If he survives that he will express why the Koran is to blame for the UN murders. If he survives that, he will burn a Koran. If he survives that, the islamists in America are not like the islamsits in the east.
@fizzingwhizbeee Who'd have thunk it: Jones was arrested in Dearborn before he even got to the "speak about violence being bad" part - for fear that doing so would incite Muslim violence.
well I disagree....and agree. You are correct in stating that he is not directly responsible for the murders. As he did not do it himself nor was he there watching/helping. However you are incorrect in saying that he did not incite violence...He obviously did....this is evident in when he wanted to burn it on 9/11 and the General suggested not to. he knew it would incite violence and he listened. Why did he think that it wouldn't incite violence now?because there was nobody telling him it would?
Bill O'Reilly stated that "Jones has blood on his hands". So he's putting guilt on him, so I'm saying both people on the left and right are blaming Jones
I don't give a rat's ass about some insignificant pastor in the backwoods of Florida burning a Quran, but it does concern me that our news media gave him the attention he wanted and gave him his fifteen minutes of fame.
I could gather Bibles, Talmuds, Qurans, piss on the pile, burn it, and upload the whole thing to YouTube and nobody will care.
tl;dr: I blame the news media for giving him attention and the idiots in Afghanistan looking for an excuse to kill people, not the pastor.
This guys analogy is flawed. Everyone knows Christians aren't going to kill innocents if you criticize them. Conversely everyone knows radicals will kill if you burn the Muslim holy book. That makes what Terry Jones did fundamentally different than what Dawkins or Hitchin's do. Terry Jones should not be thrown in jail, he was within his rights, but he is a dumb twit and partially responsible for the results he triggered.
What would anybody sane & spiritually-developed (by that I mean over the age of 5) do to the Qu'ran after reading it? This is not a difficult question. What do muslims find holy in KILL KILL KILL?
Sorry everyone, for flooding the comments. It's frustrating when somebody who so obviously doesn't study a subject with any diligence or know much about it in general decides to make themselves an authority with borrowed material and start heckling people (and their God, ffs) with trollish and irreverent non sequiturs. People like NoSheepWonder are similar to the subject of this video: Narcissistic, disrespectful assholes. Violence & regulation being invalid, what is the advantage of sacrilege?
oh, and it isn't true that atheists get shit from the left. there are tons of people on the left who think that if you dislike islam, you're a "racist," because you must be an antisemite too or something. There are a ton of religious people on the left who act like if you insult religion you're worse than a racist. Hitchens and Dawkins are pretty controversial among liberals.
We just need to step up our holy book burning. Shit, come to my house and cut off my head. It'd be worth it.
Thank you, Terry Jones, for exposing Islam for what it is.
Islam is a vile, intolerant, inhumane, archaic, fascist ideology - for the civilized world to kow tow and cave to that evil death cult is absolutely disgusting and wrong.
Let's have an official 'Burn the Qur'an' day and barbeque some pork while the flames devour that vicious hate manual.
What if a few more people burned the Koran? Would the Islamofascists hate us any more than they already do? This idea that we can't do anything to upset them because it endangers our troops is wrong-headed. Of course I don't want them put in harm's way, and I don't think what Terry Jones did was appropriate. But we can't take the attitude that we all better watch our step or the Muslims will get us, because that amounts to nothing more than appeasement of the enemy.
Trying to say that Terry Jones is no different than Bill Maher, et al is just silly. The two sides would be much more analogous if Jones hadn't taken the extra step of burning the sacred tome of an enormous religious body.
There is absolutely no way that the killings are justified but to try to argue that Jones is blameless is ridiculous. He was repeatedly asked to NOT go through with the act of burning the Qur'an for fear of what might happen and did so anyway. What good was he expecting?
@Omagus Alright. How far are you prepared to go with that kind of thinking? Stay with your psychopathic husband so he won't kick somebody else's head? Not criticising Mein Kempf in case the nazis are offended and go on a rampage? Let criminals do their own thing to keep them calm? Problems are not solved by pretending they don't exist, or by blaming your own behaviour. These people are FUCKING MAD. Maybe it's time to tell them, before whole generations follow suit.
@BoredToDistraction Your first example is an illogical comparison. It keeps a spouse in imminent danger herself. How was Jones threatened? Your other two make moderately more sense except for one thing: it doesn't address the question I asked about *any* possible benefit Jones should have expected from his actions. It's less than a zero sum game. If Jones burns the Qur'an, bad things will probably happen because of it. If he doesn't, no repercussions are coming. SO WHY DO IT AT ALL?
@Omagus Islam & the Qu'ran are threatening the whole of humanity, if you haven't noticed yet. As for your zero sum game analogy, shutting up about millions of people being taught from nursery school that murdering non-muslims is the key to paradise, has no repercussions? Think again. This insanity is growing exponentially. Psychopaths united behind ONE cause, whole states, whole generations. Increasing wealth, numbers, & power. Soon nuclear weapons. Wake up.
@BoredToDistraction "As for your zero sum game analogy, shutting up about millions of people being taught from nursery school that murdering non-muslims is the key to paradise, has no repercussions?"
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When did I say he should shut up? I *specifically* said he crossed the line when he took the action of burning the Qur'an. He's free to say whatever he wants. That anyone would try to absolve him of any blame in this situation is to willingly succumb to blindness.
@Omagus Ah, it's ok to denounce the qu'ran, but burning paper that COMMANDS MURDER is BIG TABOO so he MUST NOT be absolved of his BLAME. Are human beings completely losing the plot? Is this still planet Earth or Planet of the Apes where burning paper justifies MURDER? Does this new principle apply to (American) flags too?
@BoredToDistraction "Is this still planet Earth or Planet of the Apes where burning paper justifies MURDER?"
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Wow. Just...wow. It seems you have a gift for finding statements that don't exist. While you're looking for where I said Jones should "shut up," please also find where I said that the murders are justified.
@Omagus You states that anyone 'who tries to absolve Jones of any blame" is blind. To summarize, Jones must share the blame with MURDERERS because he burned a BOOK (but he's allowed to speak). I will argue: in memory of the 270 million of people so far KILLED to spread the filthy quranic message, burning it to the last molecule is the ONLY ETHICAL & SANE thing to do. Bending our rules to protect psychopaths' feelings is criminal & insane. Fetishising paper & ink is plain bonkers/medieval.
@BoredToDistraction "in memory of the 270 million of people so far KILLED to spread the filthy quranic message, burning it to the last molecule is the ONLY ETHICAL & SANE thing to do."
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So when dealing with a group that has a history of violent outrage, the "sane" thing to do is commit to an act that we know will lead to more violent outrage?
"That tiger didn't go crazy; that tiger went tiger."
And since you still haven't answered it, I'll ask again: what is the benefit of the burning?
@Omagus Symbolic, therefore INFORMATIONAL/EDUCATIONAL. Personally, I would not burn it but drown it, bin it, flush it, spit & drive on it, copy it on t-shirts, sing it, shout it, scream it, cry it... So that more & more people understand the filth that kids are ingesting around the world, some being trained from age 6/7 to kill yours & my kids. Former muslim TERRORISTS have seen the light. 0.000001% may kill, 5-10% may open their eyes. Psychos will NOT DESIGN the world.
@Mathewmatic they dont care because these lefties see people with different skin colour and think that because they arent white that they need help, its inverse racism, id deport every last muslim, even the white converts - we dont need scum like that in our society
Lee. I would NOT consider myself a fan but you are right on this one. Terry Jones is a nobody and an idiot, the real villains are the murders in Afghanistan.
youve got to realise how silly you sound. could say the exact same thing about the christian religion all you have to do is swap some names and youll see that your just as bad if not worse. When the muslims had their empire you could practice your religion freely along with the jews. When the shoe was on the other foot in andalusian spain for example you killed muslims and jews for not converting to christianity. You may not believe he was a prophet but its a fact evidence shows he existed
As much as you want to project onto Christianity, they've at least modernized. It's false to blame today's Christians for centuries old atrocities since generally they neither defend nor perpetuate them.
Christianity hasn't done anything like what Muslims are doing for centuries. Today it is secular statologists and radical Muslims that are the danger to life and liberty everywhere.
The muslims in the united arab emirates and Qatar look like theyve modernized to me. Seen as though dubai is one of the most futuristic cities today. Thats just it. the western christian states throughout history have done much more than muslims. you invaded a whole continet, Your not really americans your just an occupying crowd of european imigrants just because the world has forgot about it doesnt mean it isn true.The danger today is America, which country will it invade next.
If you youve come to that conclusion then its you whos not a clear thinker friend. Perhaps even not a thinker at all. I think with an open mind, and look at the facts, evidence and proof, then i judge. Put you emotion and patriatism aside, otherwise everything you come up with will be bias.
or maybe the case is that you are living on this planet but the frame of mind which you use to think isnt. Your just not looking at things the right way. Unlucky
@waddyzzz7 Man, do you know anything about the history of Islam? Islam has been on the warpath for the last 1400 years straight during which time some 270 million people have paid with their lives for resisting that death cult, incl. 80 mio. Hindus and 60 mio. Christians. Islam started on the Arabian peninsula and invaded half of Africa, the whole Middle East, Asia Minor, huge chunks of Asia from Syria to Indonesia, and had to be beaten back from Europe at least twice. Learn history - then talk!
the Koran IS a violent religion. Why did not just those people pray for that pastor rather than go kill? Think Progress n LGFBs are ajatators////expect that from them. Christians do not nessaceraly go in mobs and kill.....anymore.
It seems like Lee and a lot of other people here are simply assuming for their own convenience that anyone(which apparently means the left?) suggesting Jones shouldn't have done what he did is somehow relinquishing the Muslims of blame.
If someone isn't talking about the Muslims' liability here, in all likelihood it's because it literally goes without saying.
As a professional musician for many years (longer than Mr Doren has even been alive, in fact), I have on more than one occasion seen images of me defaced by people with mustaches, exaggerated sexual characteristics, word balloons, etc.
I've heard people parody songs I wrote & the name of my band. Also we've been accused of doing bad things just because of hostile publicity.
with respect, Your looking at this wrong, your not one of the worlds major religions. One of which is in a crises as some of its followers have become extreme and misgueded by rage and revenge from what they consider constant foul play against its people by the western powers dating from the very first crusade till the present day. to provoke this kind of a group in this way at this present time in there history can only lead to a violent response. like pissing of a dangerous prison inmate.
You are totally right. If we don't take a stand for freedom of speech here, where does it end? It's hard for people to be clear headed and maintain their principles when they see news of people getting beheaded, but it's still disappointing to see comments stating that this man should be thrown in jail.
By their logic, you'd vindicate the bully (the violent terrorist types in the Muslim religion) by capitulating to every loony demand they make. Which would lead to shariah law, and fascism.
Why the Europeans are so evils, full of hates, revenges because they learned these evils in their pagan book call the Bible.
Why GOD wants kill all and only save Virgin girls? Numbers 31:17-18
Why God want women, children and infants to be killed? . 1 Samuel 15:3
3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
They're more upset with the pastor that the savages who actually committed the murders!!!!
The left is completely condescending. They think Muslims don't know any better not to slaughter people when they get offended, so Pastor jones must take the blame!
You are told not to hit the hornets nest with a stick by many experts. You hate hornets so much you go ahead and do it anyway even though many of your friends and family are near the nest. I suppose YOU would blame the hornets.
@jesushatesyoutoo I'm for blaming people over hornets/animals, since people know the difference between right and wrong, the innocent and guilty. Yes, i have just enough faith in the human race to not equate them with simple non thinking animals in survival mode....
@jesushatesyoutoo I admitted nothing but your false analogy of equating hornets and humans. Apart from that, I'm just all for free speech and human rights.
@kevronium when you yell 'fire' in a crowded theatre
As opposed to raghead muslims yelling death to unbelievers and the koran advocating marital rape and domestic violence? Seriously, why don't the same rules apply?
@PhilipPorter And statistics show if your home country were part of the US it would have probably at least the 5th poorest economy in the nation. You'd probably end up around Wisconsin Michigan or W Virginia
@Mike2020able Oh really? I think You forgot to mention the part about how italian Americans caused 9/11 by dancing at 6:15 and that Sarah Palin will be the collaborator behind the next attack. Along with the Irish the Chinese and that puerto ricans kidnap baptized infants to sell to buddhists to make drums out of their hides.
@tubaboy71 Don't mind this little dipshit kevronium. He's another one of those little marxists who draws out welfare from our hard earned sweat and tears so he doesn't have to work.
@kevronium Actually there is. I'm hoping it will start in Wisconsin now that the union parasites are trying to recall the few remaining senators for trying to prevent them from squeezing what little wealth is left out of the few taxpayers left.
haha i wonder if it is the same troll leftists who disliked this for his economic views, that have disliked this one
because as it stands, Dee Loren isn't making a wild claim here. clearly if it was the beheaders, not the people who have incited the beheadings that caused the death
in fact, if you think burning the koran, then being blamed for what people do because of their anger to seeing you burn the koran, makes the burner of the koran guilty. then YOU are clearly COMPLETELY WRONG and nuts
@ TheBizarreGuitarist7 and watch incessant amounts of anything anime, so with that mental picture, youre most likely someone that never really leaves their house, unless to go the mall with your lone guy friend. And was the guy in high school everyone secretly laughed at and hoped he wouldn't go columbine from all the grossed out looks he'd get from the chicks.
@ TheBizarreGuitarist7 so instead of addressing my query, you instead make a personal attack on me. My father is not my uncle, my mothers milk was not 80 proof, I got an 2000 on my SAT. I'm 19 and I live in an apartment in southern California. From the looks of your channel, you spend your waking hours watching/playing resident evil (and maybe even write your own zombie video games!)
I enjoy parodies of video games and animes that I enjoyed when I was younger. Nostalgia with a bit of humor is a nice way to spend the day in my book. In your book, a nice way to spend the afternoon probably involves family orgies and blowing the family dog. If that's what you call a "busy, busy schedule", then I'm happy to say I'm a very lazy man. :)
Christopher Hitchens is not on the left. And he has debated leftists (Michael Moore, Ronald Reagan, Jr., George Galloway) on numerous issues. That aside, none of those guys go through with something contentious after being warned that it will result in bloodshed because we are living amidst a time where two major wars are going on in parts of the world that happen to be predominantly Muslim.
Christain should wake up too because he just burn stories of Jesus and his mother Marry which are in Quran... Disrespecting christains muslims and jews ... Terry jones is pathetic.and extremist and yu so proud of freedom.of rights ....shame on those who supporting him..apperntly this guy insulting the main three religions because quran defines all of them....
The Jesus in the Bible is not the Jesus in the Quran. The Jesus of the Bible is God, and far greater than Mohammed, or any man that has ever, does, or will ever walk this earth. Even when the Bible is burned, Christians should understand that the Word of the Lord stands forever, and no matter if it's burned, it will never cease to exist. This is why Christians should not riot and kill people. Our God is mighty, awesome, and powerful enough to defend himself. His glory will not be tarnished.
There is no evidence supporting his existence and I challenge you provide some. "But, but, but the historians and scholars" isn't evidence, fyi. Try again.
Since you obviously can't offer up any evidence of your own, I help you out a little bit. You could've talked about Josephus and claimed that his writings prove that Jesus existed. But then, of course, I would have to remind you that Josephus was born AFTER Jesus' supposed death, so his writings don't mean jack shit.
lol good way of showing that your'e not violent by killing 20 people
Team3starftw 1 week ago
People being jailed for burning a book is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I could burn a Harry Potter book right about now and no one would give a damn. Not even those die-hard Harry Potter fans. However, the Muslims went crazy because Pastor Terry Jones burnt the Koran. The left condemns this but doesn't condemn the fact that in the UK, Muslim extremists burnt poppies and condemned dead British soldiers to hell. They say the latter is free speech but not what Jones did
sumrandomguy3 2 weeks ago
You do have to admit, though, that Terry Jones SHOULD'VE known better than to burn the Koran knowing the possible reaction/consequences that would result from it. To top that off, any potential for reconciliation betweeen moderate Muslims and non-Muslims has been significantly pushed away with this kind of idiocy.
Responsible for the killings? No. An idiot for burning the Koran knowing the possible consequences? TBH, calling him an "idiot" would be a bit generous!
JayLaher 2 weeks ago
@JayLaher No you have to admit, those muslims who killed a bunch of people should've known better.
hooplablahblahblah 2 weeks ago
@hooplablahblahblah No SHIT, sherlock!!
JayLaher 2 weeks ago
@JayLaher Do you object to various peices of "art" involving bodily fluids and objects pertaining to the Christian faith?
wormer104 2 weeks ago
???
JayLaher 2 weeks ago
@gmann1695 I believe you mean the Muslims should put it away before they blow themselves up?
bigravensfan21 3 weeks ago
Whats the song in the end? Please answer me!!!
TrueScandinavia 1 month ago
Listen Lee I disagree with you on a lot of things, but on this you are 100% right. Good job spreading this message.
evercor91 1 month ago 2
People burn Bibles all the time. Have you ever seen Christians rioting in the streets and resorting to mob violence as a result?
Whenever I see someone destroying or desecrating a Bible I just laugh. Do they really think they burned the last one?
formerevolutionist 1 month ago 7
@formerevolutionist Yea, there are millions possibly billions of Qurans.
macy725 3 weeks ago
If Terry Jones had no right to burn the Koran as a public statement, then why should Marylin Manson have ever had the right to desecrate Christian images and distroy Bibles onstage during his AntiChrist Superstar tour?
eskimospy77 1 month ago 2
Let me guess, you're a Christian.
The reality is, all religion is ridiculous.
Christopher Hitchens is completely right.
ec123456789able 2 months ago
I LIVE INCOUNTRY WITH MUSLIM CONFESSION! AND I KNOW STUPIDNESS AND HERD INSTINKT THAT TAKES OVER RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. WE ARE ALL HUMAN WHO HAS RIGHT TO EXPRESS HIS/HER OPINION. HE JUST BURNED THE BOOK SO WHAT?! HE DIDN'T CAUSE PHISICAL HARM TO ANYONE AND THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. NO BOOK OR IDEOLOGY (BELIEF) WHATSOEVER ARE WORTH HUMAN LIFE. MUSLIMS ALSO CAN BURM BIBLE, SO WHAT?! THOSE WHO FIND IT AS PROVOCATION SHOULD HAVE HIS/HER HEAD EXAMINED. BECOUSE IT'S SERIOUS PSYCOLOGICAL DISORDER.
mirzhantube 3 months ago
@mirzhantube
I'M NEITHER CHRISTIAN NOR MUSLIM! BUT I'M CONVINCED TARRY HAD DONE NOTHING WRONG! HE JUST MADE HIS POINT OF VIEW ARTICULATE, THAT'S IT. WE LIVE IN XXI CENTURY AND WE SHOULD FINALLY BE TOLLERANT AND LEARN TO LISTEN TO OTHER'S OPINIONS.
P.S LISTENING DOESN'T MEAN FOLLOWING
mirzhantube 3 months ago
Those people didn't just "run out of their mosque." The imam's who run these mosques whip these crowds into a frenzy w/ these occasions. The imams incited this mob, but cowards (by virtue of their cowardice) are choosing to attack some other scapegoat b/c they are afraid to address the real aggressors.
VictorLepanto 5 months ago
Thw whole Islamic doctorine is based on hatred and poison the the ordinary muslims mind. Mustafa kemal Ataturk as well regarded Islam as poison of society.
GrandmasterTigerfist 8 months ago
Before Mr. Jones, muslims were killing infidels. Before US occupation of Iraq & Afghanistan, muslims were killing infidels. Muslims kill people regardless, and im glad to see someone who is not afraid to be politically incorrect and point out the obvious flaw in the teachings of Islam that politicians have remained ignorant to.
MurphyMonster 9 months ago 12
how dare you call us aggressive??? **kills 20 people**
see!? we're nice!
DoubIeRose 9 months ago
More lies from a Liberal Moron who appease Racist Sexist Fascist Islam.
Islam is not a religion its Nazi Pedophile death cult. and you keep believing the lie that Islam is peaceful. If islam was peaceful then Non Muslims would be allowed to enter mecca which they are not cause they are considered unclean. Hamas other muslim groups Count bin laden their holy leader. but in the end Israel will crush your muslim heroes.
freedombase 10 months ago
@freedombase Islam is truly another form of Satanism, it is about following without choice, lying, and murdering. Also you know how they say Jesus was one of their prophets? 8 of their commandments contradict that and say he was evil.
ThatHaloGuy117 8 months ago
Terry Jones is not responsible but what terry Jones did was made to provoke a response... Rejecting the Koran is different from burning it: burning it implies an act of malice. The murders are not on him but it's questionable as to his motivations.
nanaforiod 10 months ago
@nanaforiod Go read the 1st Amendment of the Constitution
freedombase 10 months ago
@freedombase peaceably assemble, freedom of religion etc... Honestly I don't see what the first amendment has to do with anything I said. He has the right to say whatever, I never said what he did was illegal (I was careful not to do that), but when he knows the consequences of his actions could lead to deaths on the battle field then he should himself know his own responsibility. And so should the media that gave him the time of day...
nanaforiod 10 months ago
@nanaforiod More lies from a sheep it was Muslim Neo Nazi Pedophiles who killed the UN staff save one who pretended to be a muslim. If you do not like America then go to Iran where they hate free speech and censor the Internet. Terry Jones have every right to burn the KKK quran and protest in front of the Mosque even the ALCU grudgingly says terry Jones is in the right . I cant wait till Dear Born has to pay Jones legal fees.
freedombase 10 months ago
@freedombase ummm, wtf? Seriously did you just copy paste this from some sort of forum because nothing in this sad excuse for a response was in any way related to what I said.
No matter what anyone says Terry Jones is not "in the right" and never will be but I don't think you are interested in arguing with me anyway, I think you are trying to prove how ultra nationalist you are and that is just sad.
Lastly when did I EVER say that I did not like America?
nanaforiod 10 months ago
@freedombase Also, you fucking RAGER, throwing in words like "KKK" and "Neo Nazi Pedophiles" shows how IMMATURE and IGNORANT you really are.
BTW If you ever want to call your self a true American you cannot hide behind the laws as if they were loopholes, you have to think about consequences! Like if you get innocent's killed as collateral because you are too proud then YOU are the REAL enemy!! (namely Terry Jones)
nanaforiod 10 months ago
Terry Jones Did not Kill Innocents Islam Did. Americans will not give up our rights to appease Islam. Americans will in fact fight for our freedoms and we will use the 2nd Amendment to defend our 1st Amendment.
TRENTON — The New Jersey Transit employee fired for burning pages of the Quran at the site of a proposed Islamic center near Ground Zero will get his job back, according to a settlement obtained by The Star-Ledger.
freedombase 10 months ago
@freedombase YOU again? Seriously "did not kill" is that your final argument? Technically the "president" of the KKK did not (necessarily) kill black people. So I guess you are right, being an ignorant Bigot who preaches hatred and ignorance is technically NOT against the law. SO THE F*CK WHAT!! You're an idiot: The SECOND Amendment and the FIRST Amendment have NOTHING to do with each other!!!
nanaforiod 10 months ago
@nanaforiod KKK ran by Robert Byrd a Liberal democrat and the KKK backed the gun control the 2nd Amendment is the teeth of the BOR/Constitution . Terry Jones will win in the end and you Muslim Loving Anti Freedom of Speech nuts will Lose and Dearborn will pay the price.
freedombase 10 months ago
@freedombase Muslim loving? Anti freedom of speech? Do those even count as insults (especially the first one)? Who cares what the KKK did the Second Amendment still has nothing to do with the first... also what does Robert Byrd being a Liberal Democrat figure into this argument at all? I have Muslim friends. I practice my freedom of speech daily. I am not gonna let a fucking hick threaten me.
nanaforiod 10 months ago
@nanaforiod Hick typical just another racist Anti Semite Slur from a Liberal Leftest Muslim Lackey.
your Muslim Friends are just following the quran by lying to you to further Islam. But no Matter Terry Jones will have all of his legal bills paid for by Dearborn and still protest in front of that Nazi Pedophile Mosque. and not a damn thing you liberal Jew hating Muslim Child rapist can do about it.
freedombase 10 months ago
@freedombase Now I KNOW you are a troll. Now I'm an Anti Semite am I?
Let me put this to you simply, Terry Jones's legal situation does not affect me in the least, what I pointed out was that there were unfortunate (avoidable) consequences to his actions. As to the reason I called you a "Hick", well you can figure that out for yourself.
Your an ignorant, lead brained, and confused little Troll.
I'm the racist? Really? "Muslim Child Rapist"? Really?
nanaforiod 10 months ago
@nanaforiod Poor liberal still defending Muslim savages and hates free speech. so i guess Salman Rushide is responsible for Islam putting a Bounty on his head as well? and Theo Van Goth is also responsible for a Muslim Savage stabbing him to death and cutting his head off What about all the people who leave islam and have bounties put on their heads are the cause of being marked for death. Leaving Islam is considered Blasphemy which is punishable by Death
freedombase 10 months ago
@freedombase That is not a part of the religion itself, that is a cult of people who practice the religion as extremists.
Extremists exist in all religions and as religions themselves in some cases. The only reason that you are recognizing the extremist Muslims is that there is a spotlight on them now (because they are opposed to the US in their country).
Not only are you ignorant but willfully so. Have you ever read the Qua-ran? How can you judge a religion you know nothing about?
nanaforiod 10 months ago
@nanaforiod Terry Jones is a publicity-seeking tool. If you perform a search, though, you'll find dozens of other people on YouTube who have posted videos of qu'ran burnings. The only difference between them and Terry Jones is the attention Jones received from the national press. I don't condone qu'ran burnings, but in the same vein I don't think they should be punished (see Brian de Palma below). If we capitulate to threats of violence, we're the ones allowing terrorism to work.
FreemanicParacusia 10 months ago
@FreemanicParacusia Your point? Example. You see a kid with a weapon poking out of his pocket in a store. Do you:
a Alert the proper authorities that there may be a threat of robbery.
b Try to provoke the boy into an attack by emasculating him.
We don't allow terrorism to happen by thinking of consequences, we allow them to win when we make enemies of their potential allies. Islam is not the enemy, terrorism is; choose your battles or lose the war.
nanaforiod 10 months ago
@nanaforiod Capitulating to threats of violence only leads to more demands. Ask Neville Chamberlain. Our freedoms can only be stripped away when we allow it to be done to us.
You'll never win a war if you refuse to acknowledge why your enemies are fighting it. How long was Nidal Hassan's extremism ignored before he shot up Fort Hood? Pretending that a problem doesn't exist won't make it go away. When the theater's on fire, I won't apologize for seeing where the smoke is coming from.
FreemanicParacusia 10 months ago
@FreemanicParacusia I think u are an intelligent person (more so by far than the other "free" on this message board) but I think you have mis-understood me. I don't think that appeasing the terrorists is the way to go, I just think that attacking them head on without realizing their end game is folly. For example people who say that Islam leads to terrorism might alienate the entire Muslim population and become the de facto "voice of America".
nanaforiod 10 months ago
Christopher Hitchens is NOT on the left, he used to be now he's a libertarian.
Andsormida01 10 months ago
@Andsormida01 You sure? Can I ask where you heard this? I'd just be really interested to find this is true but I'm a big fan of his and I've always heard Christopher Hitchens say he is "a Socialist and NOT a liberal".
OatSharpener 10 months ago
@migkillertwo So, you're saying that the one billion plus Muslims in the world should all share the blame for the actions of a relatively small, radical faction?
PapaT74 10 months ago
@PapaT74 It's time to stop pretending this is a "relatively small, radical faction." 40% of UK Muslims - not Iran, not Saudi Arabia, ENGLAND - want Sharia, not parliamentary democracy in that country. 7% in the same survey said suicide bombings were justified. Even if we were to assume that those in the mideast fell along the same lines (which would be lowballing it, considering +90% of women are FGM'd in places like Egypt), we're still talking about hundreds of millions of people worldwide.
FreemanicParacusia 10 months ago
@FreemanicParacusia All your credibility is weak. You're saying a lot of things without proper evidence and without proper context. Also, in the case of half of the numbers, you have even admitted that you have made them up. How can you use such a flimsy argument to justify anything?
Also what do any of these assumptions prove? I think you are just another ignorant bigot on the internet; another liar who justifies his lies with preconceptions and more lies.
nanaforiod 10 months ago
@nanaforiod I never "made up" anything. Since you can't seem to be bothered to perform a single Google search before leveling all the familiar accusations, here are my sources.
Sharia in England survey from UK-Telegraph:
telegraph co uk news uknews 1510866 Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK html
90% FGM in Egypt:
huffingtonpost com evelyn-leopold female-circumcism----90-p_b_822283 html
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FreemanicParacusia 10 months ago
@FreemanicParacusia "Want Sharia law in England" and are a threat to democracy (or whatever) are two different things. Kind of like the difference between having (relatively) radical views and being a terrorist.
For another example: Americans who disagree with people of different religious backgrounds are different from bigot's, the difference is all in the context. If you decided that because of your differing views that they were inferior to you then... you're a bigot.
nanaforiod 10 months ago
@nanaforiod Not all Muslims want Sharia, as the survey showed. Certainly not all Muslims are bigots, far from it. What makes a person a bigot is when they want to enforce their views on the rest of society. Unfortunately, Sharia law demands exactly that.
Islam is not just a religion, it's the full package: an economic, financial, military, and legal system rolled into one, meant to apply to everyone, not just Muslims - and under this system, non-Muslims are third-class citizens (dhimmi).
FreemanicParacusia 10 months ago
@FreemanicParacusia If your definition ofBigot is to stand you would literally have to call out the entire US government and it's «containment theory» approach. Was America bigotted in their aproach? Maybe. But the idea was that the US was promoting freedom by spreading Democracy. BTW many religions [including christianity] found their ways into politics, military and society at points in their histories.
nanaforiod 10 months ago
@nanaforiod One more source on suicide bombings:
reuters com article 2007 05 22 us-usa-muslims-poll-idUSN2244293620070522
FreemanicParacusia 10 months ago
One might observe that those particular Muslims proved Terry Jones correct.
DeadeyeSteve 10 months ago
I am on the left, I'm an atheist, and I think that Terry Jones is a complete ass hat, but he has every right to burn the Qu'ran and Muslims acting out in dispicable ways, that is on them, well, it's on the environment they were nurtured in too. The Bible is just as atrocious as the Qu'ran but people are raised in a society that allows free speech and that you can't get violent just because someone is shitting on your beliefs. That is secular morality talking by the way. Read Deuteronomy 13...
MacabreManifesto 10 months ago
@MacabreManifesto ...the writers of the bible would never advocate silently sitting by and defending your beliefs and making fun of the opposition, they would want you to commit genocide against anyone who would dare defy Judaism, and, by extension, Christianity.
MacabreManifesto 10 months ago
@MacabreManifesto This is a pretty standard tactic by critics of judeo-christian philosophy. Pick a couple of old-testament quotes and pretend it's representative of the whole. The fact of the matter is, there are no open-ended calls to violence in the torah or the bible. Early violence is superseded with later calls for peace. The qu'ran reverses this, with early peace superseded by later calls for violence, which we see in abundance to this day. This kind of relativism is completely unhinged.
FreemanicParacusia 10 months ago
@MacabreManifesto For a bit of perspective, Muhammad routinely had his critics killed. Jesus was killed by his critics - and chastised one of his apostles for trying to defend him. The dichotomy could not be more clear.
FreemanicParacusia 10 months ago
@lordloudmouth2020 Yes, you actually are suggesting with subtly. Doing it gently doesn't mean you aren't doing it at all.
Fuunken 10 months ago
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What's wrong with burning the Bible or the Qur'an? Both books are equally worthless. Jesus was a faggot and Mohammed drank camel piss, only religious freaks care. I loved it when I found out the Romans burned the Christians. ...and everyone knows Terry Jones looks like a total freak. Just look at the fat lazy pig that started the fire....he looks like he ate a few too many Qur'an. ...We should have holiday for burning Muslims, Christians, and Jews. lol ...typical religious freaks. lol :D
Born2Flesh 10 months ago
Islams are a bunch of barbarians. I've yet to hear about Christians or Jews slam planes into buildings.
TheSimpsonssince90 10 months ago
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@TheSimpsonssince90
I will bite. Christians are a bunch of barbarians. I've yet to hear about Muslims or Jews going on to crusades and killing mountains of people. Religions don't kill people. People kill people. I'm ignostic btw ;)
zbigniewzapora 10 months ago
Beheading is not an exception from being killed - stop miss-speaking, you of all people better get your words straight - seeing as how you crucify others for their faulty talkin'. otherwise, good job.
corenothing 10 months ago
Shouldn't Thunderf00t be held accountable too since last month he held a "draw Muhammad day"? Couldn't we just as easily argue that TF pissed the Muslim community off, and pastor Terry was just the straw that broke the camels back? Why do liberals defend Islam so much, or at least, why do they ignore its violent tendencies.
friendlyfire53 10 months ago
Terry Jones is no more responsible for any of those deaths than Julian Assange is responsible for any U.S. operative being exposed by his journalism. Apply duty-based ethics if you're not sure why.
hallavast 10 months ago
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why are most americans gay and or fat
supermorshu 10 months ago
why are most americans gay and fat
supermorshu 10 months ago
@supermorshu
Why do Brits have screwy teeth, continually worship Royals, and enjoy an occasionally interesting game like football?
Sounds better than your question. You sound like a teenage wanker.
TheSimpsonssince90 10 months ago
@TheSimpsonssince90
I dont think Brits have screwy teeth Americans just have really really bright teeth, some people like the Royals and some dont and people enjoy football by the barrel fool because its amazing
NefariousVirtuoso88 10 months ago
@supermorshu You resorting to calling people 'gay' and 'fat' shows that you have no valid arguments to counter this guy's opinion.
HalalKafir 10 months ago
@jesushatesyoutoo A man named Arif Uka shot and killed two U.S. servicemen at Frankfurt Airport this March as they were boarding a bus. He said he was inspired by a video on YouTube (gqY3byKolSA) which depicted American soldiers raping Iraqi women.
What he had watched was a clip from Brian de Palma's anti-war film "Redacted," which was re-cut to look like real footage with text calling for muslims to rise up against the west.
By your logic, Brian de Palma should be brought up on charges, too.
FreemanicParacusia 10 months ago
Tell it to the family of UN workers family, face to face..!
condebayard 10 months ago
Hahaha, Islam has just proved his point that they are violent! I liked this video, although I did NOT appreciate you calling him looney at the beginning.
GeneralJWA 10 months ago 2
You're sorta right but WAY for the wrong reasons.
inademv 11 months ago
A crazy man accuses a major religion of inciting violence.
Some members of that religion go out and kill innocent people because of this.
SEEMS LIKE LEGIT LOGIC TO ME.
Ryuuken117 11 months ago 20
I don't think he should be thrown in jail, because the "speech" he pulled is protected by the First Amendment just like everyone else. However, the burning of a sacred text like the Quran is somewhat comparable to the KKK burning crosses on lawns (go figure), and I think this nutjob (I say that with a passion) SHOULD have known better!
Juzlahindahaus 11 months ago
How is it Lee Doren has so many subscribers? Are there so few people on youtube with common sense and an expensive camera?
Atreus21 11 months ago
So this guy sees a fire and he shouts fire. The fire kills (12) people before the audience notices it. People point at Jones and shout ""murderer". On April 22, he is going to Dearborn. This will prove if American islam is any different. First he will speak about violence being bad. If he survives that he will express why the Koran is to blame for the UN murders. If he survives that, he will burn a Koran. If he survives that, the islamists in America are not like the islamsits in the east.
fizzingwhizbeee 11 months ago 5
@fizzingwhizbeee Who'd have thunk it: Jones was arrested in Dearborn before he even got to the "speak about violence being bad" part - for fear that doing so would incite Muslim violence.
What is happening to this country?
FreemanicParacusia 10 months ago
@FreemanicParacusia Admittedly, I'm mad as hell. I don't even know what to say for once.
fizzingwhizbeee 10 months ago
well I disagree....and agree. You are correct in stating that he is not directly responsible for the murders. As he did not do it himself nor was he there watching/helping. However you are incorrect in saying that he did not incite violence...He obviously did....this is evident in when he wanted to burn it on 9/11 and the General suggested not to. he knew it would incite violence and he listened. Why did he think that it wouldn't incite violence now?because there was nobody telling him it would?
talha318 11 months ago
Bill O'Reilly stated that "Jones has blood on his hands". So he's putting guilt on him, so I'm saying both people on the left and right are blaming Jones
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cameron3512641 11 months ago
I don't give a rat's ass about some insignificant pastor in the backwoods of Florida burning a Quran, but it does concern me that our news media gave him the attention he wanted and gave him his fifteen minutes of fame.
I could gather Bibles, Talmuds, Qurans, piss on the pile, burn it, and upload the whole thing to YouTube and nobody will care.
tl;dr: I blame the news media for giving him attention and the idiots in Afghanistan looking for an excuse to kill people, not the pastor.
thebsdguy 11 months ago
Although, Hitchens wouldn't do or condone anything as fatuous or demagogic as book-burning.
SharpesAccomplice 11 months ago
i completely agree with your analogy of the tea party and the constitution :thumbs up:
Zgembo1223 11 months ago
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"Is this still planet Earth or Planet of the Apes where burning paper justifies MURDER?"
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Wow...just wow. While you're trying to where I said that Jones should shut up, also please find where I said that the murders are justified.
Omagus 11 months ago
This guys analogy is flawed. Everyone knows Christians aren't going to kill innocents if you criticize them. Conversely everyone knows radicals will kill if you burn the Muslim holy book. That makes what Terry Jones did fundamentally different than what Dawkins or Hitchin's do. Terry Jones should not be thrown in jail, he was within his rights, but he is a dumb twit and partially responsible for the results he triggered.
IcemanCDA 11 months ago
What would anybody sane & spiritually-developed (by that I mean over the age of 5) do to the Qu'ran after reading it? This is not a difficult question. What do muslims find holy in KILL KILL KILL?
BoredToDistraction 11 months ago
Sorry everyone, for flooding the comments. It's frustrating when somebody who so obviously doesn't study a subject with any diligence or know much about it in general decides to make themselves an authority with borrowed material and start heckling people (and their God, ffs) with trollish and irreverent non sequiturs. People like NoSheepWonder are similar to the subject of this video: Narcissistic, disrespectful assholes. Violence & regulation being invalid, what is the advantage of sacrilege?
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fartsanony 11 months ago
oh, and it isn't true that atheists get shit from the left. there are tons of people on the left who think that if you dislike islam, you're a "racist," because you must be an antisemite too or something. There are a ton of religious people on the left who act like if you insult religion you're worse than a racist. Hitchens and Dawkins are pretty controversial among liberals.
We just need to step up our holy book burning. Shit, come to my house and cut off my head. It'd be worth it.
EucharistOfHypnos 11 months ago
I disagree with most of your videos, but you're absolutely right about this. Absolutely.
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EucharistOfHypnos 11 months ago
Thank you, Terry Jones, for exposing Islam for what it is.
Islam is a vile, intolerant, inhumane, archaic, fascist ideology - for the civilized world to kow tow and cave to that evil death cult is absolutely disgusting and wrong.
Let's have an official 'Burn the Qur'an' day and barbeque some pork while the flames devour that vicious hate manual.
HalalKafir 11 months ago
@HalalKafir
I agree. What a bunch of barbarians.
TheSimpsonssince90 10 months ago
What if a few more people burned the Koran? Would the Islamofascists hate us any more than they already do? This idea that we can't do anything to upset them because it endangers our troops is wrong-headed. Of course I don't want them put in harm's way, and I don't think what Terry Jones did was appropriate. But we can't take the attitude that we all better watch our step or the Muslims will get us, because that amounts to nothing more than appeasement of the enemy.
a4b6c10 11 months ago
Trying to say that Terry Jones is no different than Bill Maher, et al is just silly. The two sides would be much more analogous if Jones hadn't taken the extra step of burning the sacred tome of an enormous religious body.
There is absolutely no way that the killings are justified but to try to argue that Jones is blameless is ridiculous. He was repeatedly asked to NOT go through with the act of burning the Qur'an for fear of what might happen and did so anyway. What good was he expecting?
Omagus 11 months ago
@Omagus Alright. How far are you prepared to go with that kind of thinking? Stay with your psychopathic husband so he won't kick somebody else's head? Not criticising Mein Kempf in case the nazis are offended and go on a rampage? Let criminals do their own thing to keep them calm? Problems are not solved by pretending they don't exist, or by blaming your own behaviour. These people are FUCKING MAD. Maybe it's time to tell them, before whole generations follow suit.
BoredToDistraction 11 months ago
@BoredToDistraction Your first example is an illogical comparison. It keeps a spouse in imminent danger herself. How was Jones threatened? Your other two make moderately more sense except for one thing: it doesn't address the question I asked about *any* possible benefit Jones should have expected from his actions. It's less than a zero sum game. If Jones burns the Qur'an, bad things will probably happen because of it. If he doesn't, no repercussions are coming. SO WHY DO IT AT ALL?
Omagus 11 months ago
@Omagus Islam & the Qu'ran are threatening the whole of humanity, if you haven't noticed yet. As for your zero sum game analogy, shutting up about millions of people being taught from nursery school that murdering non-muslims is the key to paradise, has no repercussions? Think again. This insanity is growing exponentially. Psychopaths united behind ONE cause, whole states, whole generations. Increasing wealth, numbers, & power. Soon nuclear weapons. Wake up.
BoredToDistraction 11 months ago
@BoredToDistraction "As for your zero sum game analogy, shutting up about millions of people being taught from nursery school that murdering non-muslims is the key to paradise, has no repercussions?"
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When did I say he should shut up? I *specifically* said he crossed the line when he took the action of burning the Qur'an. He's free to say whatever he wants. That anyone would try to absolve him of any blame in this situation is to willingly succumb to blindness.
Omagus 11 months ago
@Omagus Ah, it's ok to denounce the qu'ran, but burning paper that COMMANDS MURDER is BIG TABOO so he MUST NOT be absolved of his BLAME. Are human beings completely losing the plot? Is this still planet Earth or Planet of the Apes where burning paper justifies MURDER? Does this new principle apply to (American) flags too?
BoredToDistraction 11 months ago
@BoredToDistraction "Is this still planet Earth or Planet of the Apes where burning paper justifies MURDER?"
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Wow. Just...wow. It seems you have a gift for finding statements that don't exist. While you're looking for where I said Jones should "shut up," please also find where I said that the murders are justified.
Omagus 11 months ago
@Omagus You states that anyone 'who tries to absolve Jones of any blame" is blind. To summarize, Jones must share the blame with MURDERERS because he burned a BOOK (but he's allowed to speak). I will argue: in memory of the 270 million of people so far KILLED to spread the filthy quranic message, burning it to the last molecule is the ONLY ETHICAL & SANE thing to do. Bending our rules to protect psychopaths' feelings is criminal & insane. Fetishising paper & ink is plain bonkers/medieval.
BoredToDistraction 11 months ago
@BoredToDistraction Why not just do away with outdated Bronze Age superstition altogether? Religion, in and of itself, has never helped anyone.
thebsdguy 11 months ago
@BoredToDistraction "in memory of the 270 million of people so far KILLED to spread the filthy quranic message, burning it to the last molecule is the ONLY ETHICAL & SANE thing to do."
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So when dealing with a group that has a history of violent outrage, the "sane" thing to do is commit to an act that we know will lead to more violent outrage?
"That tiger didn't go crazy; that tiger went tiger."
And since you still haven't answered it, I'll ask again: what is the benefit of the burning?
Omagus 11 months ago
@Omagus Symbolic, therefore INFORMATIONAL/EDUCATIONAL. Personally, I would not burn it but drown it, bin it, flush it, spit & drive on it, copy it on t-shirts, sing it, shout it, scream it, cry it... So that more & more people understand the filth that kids are ingesting around the world, some being trained from age 6/7 to kill yours & my kids. Former muslim TERRORISTS have seen the light. 0.000001% may kill, 5-10% may open their eyes. Psychos will NOT DESIGN the world.
BoredToDistraction 10 months ago
Was Theo Van Gogh guilty of yelling "Fire"??
I wonder how these lefties feel about the fatwas on Salman Rushdie or Geert Wilders.
Mathewmatic 11 months ago 19
@Mathewmatic they dont care because these lefties see people with different skin colour and think that because they arent white that they need help, its inverse racism, id deport every last muslim, even the white converts - we dont need scum like that in our society
utrapzab 11 months ago
Lee. I would NOT consider myself a fan but you are right on this one. Terry Jones is a nobody and an idiot, the real villains are the murders in Afghanistan.
TheScrewOnHead 11 months ago
So people just stopped watching this? :/
again2021 11 months ago
Last year I burned a few Quarans on "Quran book burning day".
That was after I shot them full of holes first.
Funny how upset people get. HA HA!
I also burn false doctrine bible's liek the NIV.
I burn ALL Satanic books.
GodGunsGutsGlory4KJV 11 months ago
youve got to realise how silly you sound. could say the exact same thing about the christian religion all you have to do is swap some names and youll see that your just as bad if not worse. When the muslims had their empire you could practice your religion freely along with the jews. When the shoe was on the other foot in andalusian spain for example you killed muslims and jews for not converting to christianity. You may not believe he was a prophet but its a fact evidence shows he existed
waddyzzz7 11 months ago
@waddyzzz7
As much as you want to project onto Christianity, they've at least modernized. It's false to blame today's Christians for centuries old atrocities since generally they neither defend nor perpetuate them.
Christianity hasn't done anything like what Muslims are doing for centuries. Today it is secular statologists and radical Muslims that are the danger to life and liberty everywhere.
Oh wait... you're kind of trolling aren't you?
Zodgod5 11 months ago
The muslims in the united arab emirates and Qatar look like theyve modernized to me. Seen as though dubai is one of the most futuristic cities today. Thats just it. the western christian states throughout history have done much more than muslims. you invaded a whole continet, Your not really americans your just an occupying crowd of european imigrants just because the world has forgot about it doesnt mean it isn true.The danger today is America, which country will it invade next.
waddyzzz7 11 months ago
@waddyzzz7 You're not a clear thinker, are you?
flyoverjoe 11 months ago
If you youve come to that conclusion then its you whos not a clear thinker friend. Perhaps even not a thinker at all. I think with an open mind, and look at the facts, evidence and proof, then i judge. Put you emotion and patriatism aside, otherwise everything you come up with will be bias.
waddyzzz7 11 months ago
@waddyzzz7 I must be dreaming. Because if the world is as you describe it, I must be living on another planet.
flyoverjoe 11 months ago
or maybe the case is that you are living on this planet but the frame of mind which you use to think isnt. Your just not looking at things the right way. Unlucky
waddyzzz7 11 months ago
@waddyzzz7 Yes. That is a possibility.
flyoverjoe 10 months ago
yes and a very high possibility
waddyzzz7 10 months ago
@waddyzzz7 Man, do you know anything about the history of Islam? Islam has been on the warpath for the last 1400 years straight during which time some 270 million people have paid with their lives for resisting that death cult, incl. 80 mio. Hindus and 60 mio. Christians. Islam started on the Arabian peninsula and invaded half of Africa, the whole Middle East, Asia Minor, huge chunks of Asia from Syria to Indonesia, and had to be beaten back from Europe at least twice. Learn history - then talk!
HalalKafir 11 months ago
@Zodgod5 Lets talk women's clinic bombing and the murder of abortion doctors!
jesushatesyoutoo 11 months ago
Your failure is trying to rationalize to the minds of the irrational.
salinagrrrl69 11 months ago
the Koran IS a violent religion. Why did not just those people pray for that pastor rather than go kill? Think Progress n LGFBs are ajatators////expect that from them. Christians do not nessaceraly go in mobs and kill.....anymore.
salinagrrrl69 11 months ago
It seems like Lee and a lot of other people here are simply assuming for their own convenience that anyone(which apparently means the left?) suggesting Jones shouldn't have done what he did is somehow relinquishing the Muslims of blame.
If someone isn't talking about the Muslims' liability here, in all likelihood it's because it literally goes without saying.
Bleuski 11 months ago
Terry Jones is an idiot, but the terrorists who murdered these innocent people are much bigger idiots
johnsonfromwisconsin 11 months ago
As a professional musician for many years (longer than Mr Doren has even been alive, in fact), I have on more than one occasion seen images of me defaced by people with mustaches, exaggerated sexual characteristics, word balloons, etc.
I've heard people parody songs I wrote & the name of my band. Also we've been accused of doing bad things just because of hostile publicity.
Did it occasionally anger me? Yes.
Did it make me want to kill anybody...?
These Muslims need to GROW UP.
scarlett156 11 months ago
with respect, Your looking at this wrong, your not one of the worlds major religions. One of which is in a crises as some of its followers have become extreme and misgueded by rage and revenge from what they consider constant foul play against its people by the western powers dating from the very first crusade till the present day. to provoke this kind of a group in this way at this present time in there history can only lead to a violent response. like pissing of a dangerous prison inmate.
waddyzzz7 11 months ago
Terry was able to do something our generals haven't been able to do...draw out the enemy. Burn more of'em.
derfo20 11 months ago
this proves what religion of Irac is and how stupid people are.
jakcloudhighwind 11 months ago
You are totally right. If we don't take a stand for freedom of speech here, where does it end? It's hard for people to be clear headed and maintain their principles when they see news of people getting beheaded, but it's still disappointing to see comments stating that this man should be thrown in jail.
By their logic, you'd vindicate the bully (the violent terrorist types in the Muslim religion) by capitulating to every loony demand they make. Which would lead to shariah law, and fascism.
ZoozaTheBink 11 months ago
@ZoozaTheBink
Not to say that I think the pastor acted in a way one wishes true religious leaders would behave.
ZoozaTheBink 11 months ago
Think, it is not illegal to think please.
Why did Jews want to kill Jesus?
Jews accuse Jesus of committing blasphemy calling himself (Messiah) prophet of God.
If the Jews succeed killing Jesus then Jesus was an imposter.
If the Jews failed to kill him then Jesus was a prophet of God.
I and the Father are one. John 10:30-36
This is what Jesus was telling the Jews (sees the answer to your problem below)
"Whoever obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God
BiblesOnLine 11 months ago
Why the Europeans are so evils, full of hates, revenges because they learned these evils in their pagan book call the Bible.
Why GOD wants kill all and only save Virgin girls? Numbers 31:17-18
Why God want women, children and infants to be killed? . 1 Samuel 15:3
3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
BiblesOnLine 11 months ago
your better than news busted. man that youtube channel sucks!!!
beefstu20077 11 months ago
These Liberals are such idiots.
They're more upset with the pastor that the savages who actually committed the murders!!!!
The left is completely condescending. They think Muslims don't know any better not to slaughter people when they get offended, so Pastor jones must take the blame!
TimeWarp66 11 months ago
You are told not to hit the hornets nest with a stick by many experts. You hate hornets so much you go ahead and do it anyway even though many of your friends and family are near the nest. I suppose YOU would blame the hornets.
jesushatesyoutoo 11 months ago
@jesushatesyoutoo I'm for blaming people over hornets/animals, since people know the difference between right and wrong, the innocent and guilty. Yes, i have just enough faith in the human race to not equate them with simple non thinking animals in survival mode....
Connnacht 11 months ago
@Connnacht Really, you and your ilk think Muslims are human? That's not what I heard from many of your compatriots.
But you just admitted that Terry Jones is in part, responsible for the killings in Afghanistan.
jesushatesyoutoo 11 months ago
@jesushatesyoutoo I admitted nothing but your false analogy of equating hornets and humans. Apart from that, I'm just all for free speech and human rights.
Connnacht 11 months ago
@kevronium when you yell 'fire' in a crowded theatre
As opposed to raghead muslims yelling death to unbelievers and the koran advocating marital rape and domestic violence? Seriously, why don't the same rules apply?
mainestategop 11 months ago
@PhilipPorter And statistics show if your home country were part of the US it would have probably at least the 5th poorest economy in the nation. You'd probably end up around Wisconsin Michigan or W Virginia
mainestategop 11 months ago
@Mike2020able Oh really? I think You forgot to mention the part about how italian Americans caused 9/11 by dancing at 6:15 and that Sarah Palin will be the collaborator behind the next attack. Along with the Irish the Chinese and that puerto ricans kidnap baptized infants to sell to buddhists to make drums out of their hides.
Fucking nazi idiot.
mainestategop 11 months ago
@tubaboy71 Don't mind this little dipshit kevronium. He's another one of those little marxists who draws out welfare from our hard earned sweat and tears so he doesn't have to work.
mainestategop 11 months ago
@kevronium Actually there is. I'm hoping it will start in Wisconsin now that the union parasites are trying to recall the few remaining senators for trying to prevent them from squeezing what little wealth is left out of the few taxpayers left.
mainestategop 11 months ago
Subscribed!
frankiebaby725 11 months ago
haha i wonder if it is the same troll leftists who disliked this for his economic views, that have disliked this one
because as it stands, Dee Loren isn't making a wild claim here. clearly if it was the beheaders, not the people who have incited the beheadings that caused the death
in fact, if you think burning the koran, then being blamed for what people do because of their anger to seeing you burn the koran, makes the burner of the koran guilty. then YOU are clearly COMPLETELY WRONG and nuts
100CommonCents 11 months ago
good speech, JEW BOY NOWMARCH TO OVEN!!
infiltratorr 11 months ago
@ TheBizarreGuitarist7 Oh and you also advocate open borders on YouTube when you have time to spare from your busy, busy schedule :]
adventuretime77 11 months ago
@ TheBizarreGuitarist7 and watch incessant amounts of anything anime, so with that mental picture, youre most likely someone that never really leaves their house, unless to go the mall with your lone guy friend. And was the guy in high school everyone secretly laughed at and hoped he wouldn't go columbine from all the grossed out looks he'd get from the chicks.
adventuretime77 11 months ago
@ TheBizarreGuitarist7 so instead of addressing my query, you instead make a personal attack on me. My father is not my uncle, my mothers milk was not 80 proof, I got an 2000 on my SAT. I'm 19 and I live in an apartment in southern California. From the looks of your channel, you spend your waking hours watching/playing resident evil (and maybe even write your own zombie video games!)
adventuretime77 11 months ago
@adventuretime77 Your query was too stupid to address.
"An 2000 on my SAT?" I'm sure.
I enjoy parodies of video games and animes that I enjoyed when I was younger. Nostalgia with a bit of humor is a nice way to spend the day in my book. In your book, a nice way to spend the afternoon probably involves family orgies and blowing the family dog. If that's what you call a "busy, busy schedule", then I'm happy to say I'm a very lazy man. :)
TheBizarreGuitarist7 11 months ago
Christopher Hitchens is not on the left. And he has debated leftists (Michael Moore, Ronald Reagan, Jr., George Galloway) on numerous issues. That aside, none of those guys go through with something contentious after being warned that it will result in bloodshed because we are living amidst a time where two major wars are going on in parts of the world that happen to be predominantly Muslim.
muaddib17 11 months ago
Excellent.
BallsInYourJawsBitch 11 months ago
I didn't even know they're blaming Terry Jones for that. That's just illogical.
emmthreejonny 11 months ago
The next time someone insults my religion, I'm beheading them!
Rajaat99 11 months ago
Wake up Christains muslims and jews !!!!!
Christain should wake up too because he just burn stories of Jesus and his mother Marry which are in Quran... Disrespecting christains muslims and jews ... Terry jones is pathetic.and extremist and yu so proud of freedom.of rights ....shame on those who supporting him..apperntly this guy insulting the main three religions because quran defines all of them....
pakikiss 11 months ago
The Jesus in the Bible is not the Jesus in the Quran. The Jesus of the Bible is God, and far greater than Mohammed, or any man that has ever, does, or will ever walk this earth. Even when the Bible is burned, Christians should understand that the Word of the Lord stands forever, and no matter if it's burned, it will never cease to exist. This is why Christians should not riot and kill people. Our God is mighty, awesome, and powerful enough to defend himself. His glory will not be tarnished.
Andrilyas 11 months ago
@Andrilyas
Jesus never existed,, and neither did Mohammed. 16th century superstition without the violence is still stupid.
NoSheepWonder 11 months ago
@NoSheepWonder All serious and scholarly historians agree to the existence of Jesus
Sean2112bd 11 months ago
@Sean2112bd
There is no evidence supporting his existence and I challenge you provide some. "But, but, but the historians and scholars" isn't evidence, fyi. Try again.
NoSheepWonder 11 months ago
@Sean2112bd
Since you obviously can't offer up any evidence of your own, I help you out a little bit. You could've talked about Josephus and claimed that his writings prove that Jesus existed. But then, of course, I would have to remind you that Josephus was born AFTER Jesus' supposed death, so his writings don't mean jack shit.
NoSheepWonder 11 months ago