my TA WS6 is dynoing 650 rwhp & 685 torq i been hooking it up since i got it 5 years ago i i love my TA glad i went for it wen i saw it if not i would of been driving a gay stang lol ... My plate says I pimp slap mustangs haha
Wow, i like how it goes from trans ams and gto's to aerodynamics of a truck, wow, seriously...take the truck comments elsewhere, they are not needed in a video about muscle cars...terrible to argue something so stupid on such a video...you people should be ashamed of yourselves...
Nice race. I figured it might be more even, but the WS6 takes it. My Dad has a mostly stock 1999 WS6 30th Aniv with exhaust and intake, and I have 2005 LS2 GTO. Given he has less mods it might be closer but still looks like his WS6 would win =\... mod time for me!!
I heard a rumor from an old buddy that putting the tailgate down on a truck can give ya 1 mile more to the gallon on the freeway cause of drag. Lol. Don't know if its true and yes its off topic here but just so anybody who owns a truck wanted to know. Give it a shot.
they proved on myth busters that the drag you are talking about actually creates more strain on the engine lowering MPGs with the tail gate up creates moving air inside the bed allowing better aero dynamics
That makes no sense. How the hell would it make better aerodynamics with the tail gate up? Air hits that thing at freeway speed. That makes absolutely no sense.
when traveling the circulated air in the bed rotates which causes the frontal air to roll over the truck. with the tail gate down the circulated air escapes and the frontal air pushes down on the tail gate causing more MPGs then normal. air doesn't hit the tail gate head on like you said
And the GTO weighs more and is not as aerodynamic as the Trans Am. Alot of people don't take aerodynamics into account when racing. I race with me headlights down at night when I street race. It can create drag. Put your hand out the window on the freeway vertical and see how your hand is forced back. Then make it go horizontal and cut through the wind. Point made..... Thats why my Trans Am gets 30 miles to the gallon on the freeway and trucks are always stuck at 24 tops.
Ya, to go on with what driftslave said, even the LT1 trans am were underestimated just for the corvettes. The LT1's would lay down 300 horsepower, not 275.
yea gto had to be shiftin early or takein his dear sweet time shiftin. Own an 05 gto and i experience almost no lag in acceleration when i shift... but i dont shift til around 6400rpm sometimes all but red line. Moded ws6 should take a stock ls2, but car to car drivers race with slight advantage to the goat.
6500 is the rev limiter... And no I wouldnt lose my power curve, I make HP all the way to red line, I have the dyno sheet to prove it. My torque curves begin to fall but the HP line continues to climb. The LS2 lkes to rev...
He would 'not' have smoked him! A stock '98-'02 Trans Am WS6 can run the 1/4 in 13.1 stock and a '05-'06 GTO can run 13.0 (auto)/13.3 (manual) stock, so don't be surprised that a T/A can keep up with a GTO! A late model '02 T/A has an LS6 intake and 85mm MAF, those would be a little faster.
The Trans Am actually has the exact same 345hp LS1 that the Corvette had, but they underrated it so the Corvette owners wouldn't feel screwed. Also, there is almost NO difference between the base model Trans AM and the WS6 besides the hood and wheels and a badge...and the hood doesn't really do much at all.
The hood allows more cool air to flow into the engine acting like a cool air intake. Plus it has lighter aluminum rims, a racing suspension, and a couple other things special not found on a non WS6.
Yeah, but the IMPORTANT difference between the two models was false. GM loves to do that though. Basically, the base model AND the WS6 Trans Ams BOTH made 345hp. Exact same engine as the vette. They just advertised 305hp and 325hp for the WS6. In reality they dyno the same.
The only power difference is on the 01 and 02 models because they had the LS6 Intake manifold stock so they made closer to 360hp.
@driftslave not if your talking about the zo6 otherwise yes they are the same motor and the ws6 are a pretty good amount quicker. ive been in the car with a stock ws6 vs a stock regular trans am both automatic and every race the ws6 pulled a good three cars.
@driftslave actually the suspension is different as well from a ws6 to a trans am. nad yes the horsepower is different as well. its about a 15 hp difference. i dont know about the ws6 but the hood scoop on the ss is actually functional
the ls1 was under rated, ws6 actually has 345 hp at the crank, but the gto is a little heavier. So stock for stock its usually a drivers race. But a bolt on ws6 should have pulled him harder than that, I know I have a bolt on camaro
yeah i have to totally agree with you Flabernat, the ws6 is really intimidating, and i seen one driving down the road the other day and it just looked totally pissed off lol
Yea I talked my way out of one of those cops on the "between the buildings" road. Had I not pulled over and sat for 5 min for him I would have stood a good chance of getting away. I was 5 blocks from my storage at night with a 3 block + lead.
was that GTO a 5.7 or a 6.0 cause the even though the WS6 has a 5.7 if the 5.7 GTO ran against the T/A it would get owned due to how much heavier it is
The TA will be back my sons. if kevin morgans concept designs get recognized im sure GM would be willing to bring it back. personally i think the TA is the coolest muscle car built.
ehhh. its a 6.o gto, doesn't look like he pushed it past 2nd gear tho. cuz after that he fell way behind. and its only 200 pounds more. yeah its a diff but not huge
stock for stock they are close... the ws6 had bolt ons so why does that make the GTO driver suck? obviously if two cars are even stock, the modified one should win. i dont think its that confusing.... The GTO is a beautiful car. I own a 2000 ws6 but would own a gto in a heart beat. The interior is a little better, but the outside is just kinda boring... plus its a bit on the heavy side.
that gto driver was shifting very early. it looks like he bogged it in 3rd gear... or accidently shifted back into first. he obviously was crap for a driver. LS2 gto and an LS1 f-body are actually a fairly even match stock for stock. it's to bad there are a lot of noob drivers out there with these cars. they're not getting the respect they deserve. don't judge a car on a bad driver. if you want to find out how fast a car is, drive one yourself. i drove 3 of them before i bought mine.
the lt1 (which i own) puts out just as much torque and alittle less HP. My '95 T/A with K&N FIPK and Flowmasters has run with GTO's just like shown in the Vid. Races stoplight to stoplight are more about out of the hole torque than all out HP
GTO was such a fucking faggy replacement they should of never stopped making the firebird although it does make it cool now because that car will always look modern and not old like 90 percent of cars and still will be a beast although with the one I'm getting I plan to give it so much HP it will cry!
my TA WS6 is dynoing 650 rwhp & 685 torq i been hooking it up since i got it 5 years ago i i love my TA glad i went for it wen i saw it if not i would of been driving a gay stang lol ... My plate says I pimp slap mustangs haha
Mclovin123ba 10 months ago
hay bro good job nice cars i have a gto 04 m6 but i never got beet buy a trans am
but some of the gto s are realy slow for some reson dont know y keep winnig
waposgto 11 months ago
lol two sexy cars...one bad time to race. you see all those cars on the road? i wouldnt even think about racing. wouldnt wanna scratch my ride : )
inflames625 2 years ago
Wow, i like how it goes from trans ams and gto's to aerodynamics of a truck, wow, seriously...take the truck comments elsewhere, they are not needed in a video about muscle cars...terrible to argue something so stupid on such a video...you people should be ashamed of yourselves...
LickMyBoard 2 years ago
Nice race. I figured it might be more even, but the WS6 takes it. My Dad has a mostly stock 1999 WS6 30th Aniv with exhaust and intake, and I have 2005 LS2 GTO. Given he has less mods it might be closer but still looks like his WS6 would win =\... mod time for me!!
WoodburyMan 2 years ago
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Fucking police... shit.
fuzzywuzzy18 2 years ago
good race, but why is ur mirror red?
xrelapse13 2 years ago
I heard a rumor from an old buddy that putting the tailgate down on a truck can give ya 1 mile more to the gallon on the freeway cause of drag. Lol. Don't know if its true and yes its off topic here but just so anybody who owns a truck wanted to know. Give it a shot.
lpxstr33tsoldier 2 years ago
they proved on myth busters that the drag you are talking about actually creates more strain on the engine lowering MPGs with the tail gate up creates moving air inside the bed allowing better aero dynamics
JerbertLawner 2 years ago
That makes no sense. How the hell would it make better aerodynamics with the tail gate up? Air hits that thing at freeway speed. That makes absolutely no sense.
lpxstr33tsoldier 2 years ago
when traveling the circulated air in the bed rotates which causes the frontal air to roll over the truck. with the tail gate down the circulated air escapes and the frontal air pushes down on the tail gate causing more MPGs then normal. air doesn't hit the tail gate head on like you said
JerbertLawner 2 years ago
This is the guy who watched the MythBusters episode on it!
Aspired329 2 years ago
And the GTO weighs more and is not as aerodynamic as the Trans Am. Alot of people don't take aerodynamics into account when racing. I race with me headlights down at night when I street race. It can create drag. Put your hand out the window on the freeway vertical and see how your hand is forced back. Then make it go horizontal and cut through the wind. Point made..... Thats why my Trans Am gets 30 miles to the gallon on the freeway and trucks are always stuck at 24 tops.
lpxstr33tsoldier 2 years ago
GTO's weigh too much plus they're a rippoff of a manaro
techking231 2 years ago
GTO is a better car. It drives like a German car, very quiet and stable at high speeds, and the auto is even faster than the manual!
RandyMedion 2 years ago
How bout they run a race where the TA doesnt have half a car on him when they take off.
usmcpitboy 2 years ago
i like the gto but i would always chose the fbody
nastyassdick12 3 years ago 2
howd you talk your way out of it?
rextheracer 3 years ago
Ya, to go on with what driftslave said, even the LT1 trans am were underestimated just for the corvettes. The LT1's would lay down 300 horsepower, not 275.
95WhiteTransam 3 years ago
Nice pass on the shoulder.
giannicash 3 years ago
lol u got lucky man
Ls1Willis 3 years ago
goats is a bad ass car. its just a pig.
PeteDragoon 3 years ago
yea gto had to be shiftin early or takein his dear sweet time shiftin. Own an 05 gto and i experience almost no lag in acceleration when i shift... but i dont shift til around 6400rpm sometimes all but red line. Moded ws6 should take a stock ls2, but car to car drivers race with slight advantage to the goat.
red70tvhs 3 years ago
6400?? so you must have a tuner and taken off the rev limiter... but if you did that, you would lose your power curve, its not a civic..
sourblood0110 3 years ago
6500 is the rev limiter... And no I wouldnt lose my power curve, I make HP all the way to red line, I have the dyno sheet to prove it. My torque curves begin to fall but the HP line continues to climb. The LS2 lkes to rev...
red70tvhs 2 years ago
What the fuck GTO you could have smoked him
bk32591 3 years ago 3
He would 'not' have smoked him! A stock '98-'02 Trans Am WS6 can run the 1/4 in 13.1 stock and a '05-'06 GTO can run 13.0 (auto)/13.3 (manual) stock, so don't be surprised that a T/A can keep up with a GTO! A late model '02 T/A has an LS6 intake and 85mm MAF, those would be a little faster.
PONTIACMUSCLE1 3 years ago
Yea i have 01 formula and beat a gto manual 6.0l by about 2 cars lenths sound right q mile? :)
tahoe1222 4 years ago 2
I love both of these cars..the ws6 only has 325 ponies stock..and the gto 400?? wonder what happend?
hellbound413 4 years ago
gto is a porker and the driver seems like he is shifting early
SomeDumbAss88 3 years ago
The Trans Am actually has the exact same 345hp LS1 that the Corvette had, but they underrated it so the Corvette owners wouldn't feel screwed. Also, there is almost NO difference between the base model Trans AM and the WS6 besides the hood and wheels and a badge...and the hood doesn't really do much at all.
driftslave 3 years ago 5
The hood allows more cool air to flow into the engine acting like a cool air intake. Plus it has lighter aluminum rims, a racing suspension, and a couple other things special not found on a non WS6.
lpxstr33tsoldier 2 years ago
Yeah, but the IMPORTANT difference between the two models was false. GM loves to do that though. Basically, the base model AND the WS6 Trans Ams BOTH made 345hp. Exact same engine as the vette. They just advertised 305hp and 325hp for the WS6. In reality they dyno the same.
The only power difference is on the 01 and 02 models because they had the LS6 Intake manifold stock so they made closer to 360hp.
driftslave 2 years ago
Awesome. Then I love my car even more. Its an 02.
lpxstr33tsoldier 2 years ago
Where did you get that from?
PONTIACMUSCLE1 2 years ago
Common knowledge dude. GM under-rates cars to help market more expensive ones.
driftslave 2 years ago
I know that, but where did you get those exact numbers?
PONTIACMUSCLE1 2 years ago
@driftslave not if your talking about the zo6 otherwise yes they are the same motor and the ws6 are a pretty good amount quicker. ive been in the car with a stock ws6 vs a stock regular trans am both automatic and every race the ws6 pulled a good three cars.
jons2000camaro 1 year ago
@driftslave actually the suspension is different as well from a ws6 to a trans am. nad yes the horsepower is different as well. its about a 15 hp difference. i dont know about the ws6 but the hood scoop on the ss is actually functional
mrtriplesix 1 year ago
@driftslave ws6 has a ram air intake and less restrictive exhaust.
recoil080 1 year ago
@driftslave do you know if the corvette has a faster 1/4 mile time? idk if its lighter or not and pretty sure better aerodynamics
Soulscarz 1 year ago
the ls1 was under rated, ws6 actually has 345 hp at the crank, but the gto is a little heavier. So stock for stock its usually a drivers race. But a bolt on ws6 should have pulled him harder than that, I know I have a bolt on camaro
4vrzero 3 years ago
yeah i have to totally agree with you Flabernat, the ws6 is really intimidating, and i seen one driving down the road the other day and it just looked totally pissed off lol
yinger07 4 years ago
yeah i agree i own 3 mustangs (1998cobra,04 cobra, 06 GT) but damm i would have to say the ws6 is the most intimidating even coming from a ford guy
hockeydude202 4 years ago
i would have took off
hotdude655 4 years ago
Yea I talked my way out of one of those cops on the "between the buildings" road. Had I not pulled over and sat for 5 min for him I would have stood a good chance of getting away. I was 5 blocks from my storage at night with a 3 block + lead.
ramairgto72 4 years ago
was that GTO a 5.7 or a 6.0 cause the even though the WS6 has a 5.7 if the 5.7 GTO ran against the T/A it would get owned due to how much heavier it is
hockeydude202 4 years ago
It says LS2 in the description, which is the 6.0L
Too bad the TA was discontinued :-( , . . for now :-)
Flabernat 4 years ago
The TA will be back my sons. if kevin morgans concept designs get recognized im sure GM would be willing to bring it back. personally i think the TA is the coolest muscle car built.
NUNPUNCHER714 4 years ago
Yeah dude, the WS6 is still the most intimidating looking muscle car out there as well. IMO
Flabernat 4 years ago
GTO went down in 06 also :(
God bless the F Body and lets all pray they stick around this time.
SomeDumbAss88 4 years ago
Yeah seriously. Well it's got the right ingredients, LS2, german tuned suspension, Gorgeous looks, I think it'll be around for a while.
Flabernat 4 years ago
yea but the price could keep it from selling tho (only thing wrong i can think of)
SomeDumbAss88 4 years ago
true . . .
Flabernat 4 years ago
but hey lets think positive ya know :)
SomeDumbAss88 4 years ago
Yeah man, definitely. GM needs a good come-back.
Flabernat 4 years ago
ehhh. its a 6.o gto, doesn't look like he pushed it past 2nd gear tho. cuz after that he fell way behind. and its only 200 pounds more. yeah its a diff but not huge
scottwatt47 4 years ago
stock for stock they are close... the ws6 had bolt ons so why does that make the GTO driver suck? obviously if two cars are even stock, the modified one should win. i dont think its that confusing.... The GTO is a beautiful car. I own a 2000 ws6 but would own a gto in a heart beat. The interior is a little better, but the outside is just kinda boring... plus its a bit on the heavy side.
ws6transam1971 4 years ago
i have a stock 2000 trans am and i keep up with my buddies ls2 gto all the time..even beat him on a good day..oh wait..but his is auto..
thestiffmiester2000 4 years ago
racerj32 what times are you running through the 1/4?
jtnja123 4 years ago
in my opion that is not a GTO. the GTO died in 74. may she rest in peace.
Transam1117 4 years ago 2
amen to to transam1117! the GTO died in 74...
jackfrost281 4 years ago 2
that gto driver was shifting very early. it looks like he bogged it in 3rd gear... or accidently shifted back into first. he obviously was crap for a driver. LS2 gto and an LS1 f-body are actually a fairly even match stock for stock. it's to bad there are a lot of noob drivers out there with these cars. they're not getting the respect they deserve. don't judge a car on a bad driver. if you want to find out how fast a car is, drive one yourself. i drove 3 of them before i bought mine.
jpvulpes 4 years ago
is that GTO the '04 with an LS1 or an '05-'06 with the LS2's?
ReXLuvSeX 4 years ago
its an 05 with the ls2
LightEmUpLs1 4 years ago
wow no SH!T... maybe i should keep my WS6.. i was thinking of trading it in for a GTO too.
ReXLuvSeX 4 years ago
what did u tell the cops?
beto903 5 years ago
Damn I wish you had taken video of talking your way out of it so I could do it when cops pull me over on my bike
AurelionZX10R 5 years ago
What was with the rolling start? It's a drag race...no moving before the light.
Lordoctomonkey 5 years ago
it did have bolt ons, catback and lid. no joke
marcelovw 5 years ago
lol very nice, glad u got out of it... :-P. gto shoulda taken u but none the less u raped him 8)
highrolla435 5 years ago
lol at "bolt ons".
privatejoker76 5 years ago
could anyone tell me if that was a LT1 or LS1 and what bolt ons
racerj32 5 years ago
that is a ls1 a lt1 can't take on an ls2 the lt1 si to old
mmlitt 4 years ago
the lt1 (which i own) puts out just as much torque and alittle less HP. My '95 T/A with K&N FIPK and Flowmasters has run with GTO's just like shown in the Vid. Races stoplight to stoplight are more about out of the hole torque than all out HP
racerj32 4 years ago
I OWN A LS1 T/A I AGREE THE LT1 IS STRONG 2
djdirtyz28 4 years ago
seems like ol' GTO boy was shiftin' early cuz he kept pullin' on ya then slumpin' back after a shift...either way ya won
silfocus84 5 years ago
And the Trans Am for the win...i own a '97 Trans Am...i love it
NN072288 5 years ago
GTO was such a fucking faggy replacement they should of never stopped making the firebird although it does make it cool now because that car will always look modern and not old like 90 percent of cars and still will be a beast although with the one I'm getting I plan to give it so much HP it will cry!
MetalHeadXi158 5 years ago