Very good video! Craig is constantly quoting other people, sometimes quote-mining... (Jacques Monod, for ex.)
Isn't it Aristotle who spoke first about the "prime mover' (somebody who has to move things around), but then Decart and Leibnitz, following Newton and the law of inertia, said things are moving by themselves, so there's no need for 'prime-mover' (scientists hadn't discovered big bang yet, they thought the universe was eternal).
@dewinthemorning You are right, Aristotle was first with prime-mover ideas. But I think Craig's mover is more like Descarte'ss, who basically saw the Divinity as something that simply put matter into motion (he was all but Deist), crossed with the Christian god. In other words, its basically enlightenment Natural Theology for the TV age. As for Leibniz, that's where Craig's ideas of Theodicy come from (and so King, ultimately). The bulk of his filler argument seems to come from Daley.
@dewinthemorning I agree to most of this but just felt like putting in a little correction. Scientists thought the universe was infinite, not eternal.
Which is a big difference because one goes on forever (eternal) while the other stops at some point but no one can at the moment say when (infinite ,"not measurable")
Theo Warner (no relation) has demonstrated that William Lane Craig is not an x - where x is many things - the stuff he has come out with from what I have heard is just repackaged old theology mostly 17th century but as I haven't read Paley I could not comment about him.
LOL you left out alghazali not many people no that all his good arguments a ripp off of incoherence of philosophy written by al ghazali
0ptimusbibIe 1 month ago
Very impressive video - short, sweet, to the point. Thanks!
1n354a 1 month ago
when you say he "put's a new name on it, like "Kalam" actually even "Kalam" is an old muslim argument.
BillKiernan 1 month ago
"You're just making it up"
What a fucking well-thoughted brilliant argument. Craig is gonna have a hard time dealing with that one. Disliked video.
poisionarrowclean 1 month ago 2
Are you on meth?
eltopus4747 1 month ago
@eltopus4747 Touchdown! We have a troll.
mrgodbehere 1 month ago
@eltopus4747 Touchdown! We have a troll.
mrgodbehere 1 month ago
@eltopus4747 Oh I'm sorry;) Actually, I meant to ask if you are on medication? You wanna know why?
You are struggling very hard to make no sense. lol
eltopus4747 1 month ago
Hume sounds like a pretty cool guy.
Hyardacil 1 month ago
WLC often states that you can't create 'something' from 'nothing'.
Ironically, he's actually come very close to refuting that statement himself.
He's created a 30+ year career, countless books and a reputation as a formidable christian apologist - all from three dusty old sentences of the KCA.
papillon7 1 month ago
@papillon7 A most excellent observation :)
DeeDemonwitch 1 month ago
@papillon7 There's more arguments than the KCA.
poisionarrowclean 1 month ago
Very good video! Craig is constantly quoting other people, sometimes quote-mining... (Jacques Monod, for ex.)
Isn't it Aristotle who spoke first about the "prime mover' (somebody who has to move things around), but then Decart and Leibnitz, following Newton and the law of inertia, said things are moving by themselves, so there's no need for 'prime-mover' (scientists hadn't discovered big bang yet, they thought the universe was eternal).
dewinthemorning 1 month ago
@dewinthemorning You are right, Aristotle was first with prime-mover ideas. But I think Craig's mover is more like Descarte'ss, who basically saw the Divinity as something that simply put matter into motion (he was all but Deist), crossed with the Christian god. In other words, its basically enlightenment Natural Theology for the TV age. As for Leibniz, that's where Craig's ideas of Theodicy come from (and so King, ultimately). The bulk of his filler argument seems to come from Daley.
mrgodbehere 1 month ago
@dewinthemorning Oh, and thank you !
mrgodbehere 1 month ago
@dewinthemorning I agree to most of this but just felt like putting in a little correction. Scientists thought the universe was infinite, not eternal.
Which is a big difference because one goes on forever (eternal) while the other stops at some point but no one can at the moment say when (infinite ,"not measurable")
ShadeOnTheUtube 1 month ago
Nice video mate. You come off as well versed. Rarely watch a video responce to the end. Cheers mate.
MrImmobile 1 month ago
@MrImmobile It's all an illusion ;-). Thank you!
mrgodbehere 1 month ago
It would help if Craig's honesty wasn't into question. He admitted that he would ignore evidence against Christianity.
emailpobox666 1 month ago
William Lane Craig, Philosopher, Theologian and all round Smarmy Git! who brings nothing but a big wooden spoon to a debate.
123backinyerface 1 month ago
Theo Warner (no relation) has demonstrated that William Lane Craig is not an x - where x is many things - the stuff he has come out with from what I have heard is just repackaged old theology mostly 17th century but as I haven't read Paley I could not comment about him.
johncrwarner 1 month ago