Comparing Evolution to Creationism The Atheist Experience #424

[BggProductions]

Teaching creationism in schools is like teaching astrology on an astronomy course, alchemy in a chemistry class, magic in physics class.

Ignorant people should get their blood-stained hands out of modern education and let the human race flourish; we aren't toiling in the desert anymore, grow the fuck up.

[Richardisdorky]

The only fair comparison between evolution and creation. They are both words in the English language. That's pretty much it.

[moonlightavenger]

I really liked the argument that "scienc is not democratic". How true.

[Antimidation]

The biggest problem a lot of people who simply don't accept evolution is the simple fact that they DO NOT accept the evidence, they simply deny it. The more open minded, logical, objective, and reasonable people are the ones you can convince....not the truth deniers. They are never going to bend on what they have been poisoned with....like Ray Comfort for example, he just plays dumb when you actually present him with evidence. Also, he can't afford to accept evolution, he's stuck.

[Vampyrekai]

@Antimidation Yes, unfortunately some people in the public eye are literally stuck in their position. They could never accept the evidence and say, "I was wrong." because of the implications such a statement would bring. Not to mention the fact that their fans actually like how they are unwavering in their conviction. So they think its a good thing to be thick. There are so many psychological aspects that go into the nature of a belief.

[wolfbane378]

I think matt's lost weight. He also looks better without the hair. Go matt :D

[no2religions]

The Raelians ideas are WAY more believable to be than the bible. 

[AmericanGayAtheist]

What a wonderful loophole... You have to have "faith" to believe in god and he did that on purpose so you could prove you goodness (AND THEREFORE A PLACE IN HEAVEN) by just believing it without proof. As the "church Lady" use to say, "How convenient!!!"" LMFAO.. Talk about con jobs!

[skywize]

@AmericanGayAtheist I still love the Nuns on the Run definition. "...some con men sell life insurance. The church sells afterlife insurance. It's brilliant! Everyone thinks you might need it, and no one can prove you don't. "

[gulbirk]

07:27 REALLY, who?

[mcshundess]

The more I listen to these ID/creationism proponents, the more I'm convinced these guys KNOW PRETTY WELL they are talking nonsense. But the problem lies when it comes to their audiences. These are flabbergastingly gullible. And that's the core of the problem : education.

[JosephMorganFPS]

the beginning seemed it felt ackward

[CommanderC4]

Evolution: I come from a monkey. And I am ok with that.

Creationism: I think like a monkey. And I am ok with that.

[Jayoung1000]

@CommanderC4 hahaha I'll have to remember that one! :)

[NefariousVirtuoso88]

@CommanderC4

... let me correct your comment.

Evolution: I have a common ancestor with ape's. And I am ok with that.

Creationism: I think like a monkey. And I am ok with that.

[CommanderC4]

@NefariousVirtuoso88 By biological classification, humans are a subset of the Monkey family; so technically we ARE monkeys. Even if that wasn't the case, the implication is the same. We are monkeys. Stupid little monkeys on an insignificant blue dot, orbiting a dying star situated on the tail of a galaxy destined for an apoplectic collision with another, all of this being merely an unimaginably small fraction of an ever cooling universe. That doesn't seem like "divine planning" to me. : )

[NefariousVirtuoso88]

@CommanderC4

No. Humans are Apes. A Monkey is a sub set of Ape's just like Humans.

I'm not religious just correcting your false classification of humans. I didn't edit the Creationism part for this very reason.

[CommanderC4]

@NefariousVirtuoso88 That was the former classification, however things have changed recently; kinda like how Pluto is now no longer a planet. Modern humans and apes are both old world monkeys. Birds are technically dinosaurs too (don't ask me, ask the biologists, lol). Anyways nothing has changed, except now we longer have to define the WHOLE theory of evolution every time we speak with a Creationist. They ask "so you came from a monkey", we can now say "I am a monkey, as are you".

[NefariousVirtuoso88]

@CommanderC4

No.

I dont need to ask a Biologist anything ... you're 100% wrong on nearly everything.

I cant be bothered with you anymore.

[CommanderC4]

@NefariousVirtuoso88 Whatever man. Do what you gotta do. I am right though. 100% right by the way. I also keep with the times. By modern science's standards Pluto is NOT a planet and we ARE in fact monkeys. AronRa does a good explanation if you're interested in changing your mind. Of course this doesn't quite explain why you're getting so huffy over semantics. Someone needs an update and a nap.

[DarthFennec]

@CommanderC4 Yeah I believed you about this lol, no, AronRa quotes NCSU who's ID (found 3 or 4 obviously creationist papers without trying), so this is actually false. And I think what convinced me is the explanation sounds good, like they're simplifying it because the `old' system was inaccurate ... wow when you actually say those words out loud it stinks of Creationism XP

We've both been fooled. So has AronRa, apparently :P

[CommanderC4]

@DarthFennec The problem has more to do with the fact that within the international scientific community there is no official organized systems of governance, especially when it comes to newer fields. The Pluto incident is a prime example. This is what both I and AronRa were referring to when we said that humans are monkeys, not that the classifications have changed, but rather that a more comprehensive understanding of the purpose behind classification is needed. It is a critique, not a thesis.

[DarthFennec]

@CommanderC4 said: `That was the former classification, however things have changed recently'

Doesn't sound as if you meant to critique at all. It sounds as if you were suggesting that the international scientific community had agreed on a new standard. Classification is not a newer field. Pluto is not a planet because `planet' has been redefined, but not classification. For example, birds are not dinosaurs, any more than cats are fish, and there has not been widespread agreement to change this.

[CommanderC4]

@DarthFennec Again, that is where the critique comes in. Said "That was the former classification, however things have changed recently" referencing the RECENT Pluto incident and at large a growing movement within the academic fields to FINALLY get their ducks is a row and agree on some more adamant standards of classification; in no small way as a direct counter to the creationists who pass themselves off as scientists and infiltrate the school boards under those false pretenses.

[NUTCASE71733]

@DarthFennec

Birds may not be dinosaurs anymore, but they still are considered Archosaurs due to the original taxinomic clade they decsended from.

[DarthFennec]

@NefariousVirtuoso88 Wow ... I was as skeptical as you were but apparently he's right. At least, that's what the page on the NCSU website says. Go figure ...

[NefariousVirtuoso88]

@DarthFennec

hes not right at all ... dont learn Biology from from Creationist websites.

[DarthFennec]

@NefariousVirtuoso88 Woah NCSU is ID? Did not know that, damn, thanks. Yeah I just found an article on there about Tyrannosaurus bones lol, before I was just looking at the `one of the nation's top public universities' part XD

Well, now I know ... and here my university is telling me `every source with an edu domain is completely accurate and Wikipedia should never be trusted,' I should shove this in their face.

Thanks again, I actually believed it for a while O.o

I should be more careful ...

[Hyperplaterine]

@CommanderC4 I was under the impression that monkeys have tails and apes don't.

[CommanderC4]

@Hyperplaterine That is generally correct in regards to common understanding. My opponent here had mistakenly assumed that I was inferring that biological classification is arbitrary, when in reality I was merely stating that the former (and to a degree still current) system of classification was outdated and often creates needless misunderstandings as a result of its ambiguous standards.

[Hyperplaterine]

@NefariousVirtuoso88 ... let me correct your comment.

Evolution: I am an ape. I am ok with that.

Creationism: I think like a monkey. I am ok with that.

[tmafkap]

All hell will break loose when some banksters get the idea of introducing something like "democratic mathematics"... "well, you lend 1000$, but we voted on it and now you owe us 5000$..."

[ELREndLondonRule]

@tmafkap you could reply "well, that's unfair. I held a vote and we landed on $40. So here yours money."

[GoblinXXX]

Atheist staring contest there in the beginning.

[UnderlordZ]

New rule: if you don't think science is reliable, you aren't allowed to use any scientific...anything. No electronics, no automobiles, no modern medicine. You only get to use what they use in your holy book: hand-made candles and oil lamps, camel caravans and your own 2 feet, and superstitious bullshit medicine.

[miclefa]

@UnderlordZ

And do not forget stones. Man they loved stones, gotta' love them, they are everywhere in the middle east. Used as a killing tool by almost every religion back then in the middle east. Stones and Religion, they are linked!

[ELREndLondonRule]

@miclefa Stones and Beards! That's where it's at!

[Vampyrekai]

@UnderlordZ Technology is actually just applied science. EVERY single invention ever is a form of technology. A pencil is technology. Those candles are technology. Crude tools...yep, technology. The truth is that every human ever loves applied science...yet religious people use it and then bash it whenever it goes against their personal oppinion. There is no greater form of hypocrisy. Its like a tween tweeting, "Science ish so dum cuz it believes we come frum monkies!!!1" on their iphone

[1RadicalOne]

I do have a substantial amount of respect for Ken Ham; while he believes some ridiculous things and is often willing to lie to support his beliefs, he does often express some level of honesty - like the example mentioned here, and his list of discredited creationist arguments - and he is able to think, and is just foundationally biased.

[RockBanned]

omfg matt has hair in this video!

Sort of

[1rishShaman]

@RockBanned

Have to comment. Awesome name.

[RockBanned]

@1rishShaman Thanks, I like it because it has so many different meanings. I'm a drummer, so phoenetically it makes sense. It's also a play on the word Rock Band (it's actually my xbox live band name for Rock Band 2 lol).

Plus I've had people say "so you're like really anti crack or something?" so lol there's that too.

[1rishShaman]

@RockBanned Haha nice. I got the Rock Band part of it. Was just playing it (Bad Omen/Black Friday/Caprici Di Diablo) before I got online but can only do like 1 song at a time or the same one over and over in practice. Took it out of the case a few weeks ago and the inner circle of the game cracked -.-'

[RockBanned]

@1rishShaman It sucks because I can't play my Ions in my new apartment because it's on 3rd floor so I haven't been able to play. I moved like a month after I got Platinum Artist on drums, so I was pretty mad I didn't get to enjoy it that much.

[Th3chozen1]

classic