lets say theoretically, on a raid boss all 5 of your dps miss twice, and lets say all of those hits would have been 15k, thats 150k damage lost right there. Do the math, trust me on this DPS missing = very very bad.
are you dumb? lmfao how are you goin to test something out casting only 30 times? and expect that to be the end of your retarded theorycrafting lmao. jesus noobs , hit rating will matter always did always will .
hit cap as an ele sham is 12% and yes it is very important, and also think about it like this you could put in a 19 SP gem and make your average lighting bolt hit for 15 more or you could put in a 16 hit gem and get hit capped so you dont miss a cast that could hit for 7k
As you said, maybe you just got lucky.... Yes, you will miss sometimes even when you are "hit-capped" this term is referred to the basis that is achievable with not loosing too much of other stats. You will still miss, it is possible to have like 1k hit rating and never miss, but then again your dps will be at 500... It's an issue about balance.
I'm with 271 hit rating (10.33%) + 3% talents and i missed like 20 LB's in a couple of bosses in Ulduar. It sucked. It sucked BIGTIME. A miss is wasted mana, dps not counting and valuable 1.6 sec wasted. Every caster that wants to be top, must be hit capped. First, hit cap your char, then, as gear comes, start investing in other stats when u can..
Hit rating cap for an Elemental Shaman is 368 when you are by yourself. With debuffs on the target, Misery from SP, or improved Farie Fire from boomkins, the hit cap is 289. So either way you are not at hit cap. Oh and hit cap is not 9% it is 13%. And for some more complaining this was not at all in-depth with only 30 casts.
You are correct, this showed the power of RNG more than anything. People get hung up on DPS so much that don't realize that on Patchwerk without changing gear i can do as low as 4.2k dps or as high as 5.1k it all about random LO, procs, hits and misses.
depends, if your just there for raid buff crit is all you need to do. 3200 dps is low for my guild since everyone was pushing 4.5k besides me, 1 rogue and the tanks.
Also you should note that if you measure the effectiveness of hit over a whole naxx run then you're going to get wrong results. The reason being a fair chunk of your dps will be from trash, who are lower levels than bosses. The hit cap values people talk about are on boss level mobs, which are effectively level 73. Most trash is usually 70-72 and requires far less hit to not miss
You should never gem for anything but spell power once you're hit capped (289 with a shadow priest or moonkin in raid). Crit is the worst stat because 2 of your spells arent affected by it in the slightest. You may be happy with 4k dps with no hit but i'll keep my 5.5k hit capped with naxx gear, ta
You're claiming that 30 lightning bolt casts is a sufficient test of hit rating? . . . . .
Why don't you go back and cast under the same circumstances (and relative hit rating) until you're out of mana and then see if you think hit rating doesn't matter.
The hit cap is 17%. It wont change with harder raid instances, a skull level boss is a skull level boss regardless of what instance its in. I sometimes run karazhan at level 80 to try farm the attumen mount and i still frequently get misses on attumen at level 80 with about 200ish hit rating (i mix in some resto gear cause i heal mostly on those runs). Its very well established that the chain of command for stats atm is:
I've been waiting for a discussion about hit rating for a long time. I was afraid of posting it in the blizz forums because shamans priorize hit so much. I went naxx 25 man last week, and with no hit at all (40-50 hit) I had something like 13% missed. What I mean is that ur dps is not to decrease at the same rate as ur hit rating, but with you want to be a top dpser the hit cap is needed to ensure that you will not miss due to the lack of hit rating. All top dpsers are hit cap or almost.
While I won't argue that hit cap is needed. I will argue that 17% is not needed right now. On my shaman I can get 4k dps without special buffs almost always now after the last patch and found zero dps increase by going from 180 HR to 260 HR
Well how about I did heroic naxx with hit gear and than with no hit gear and I did 300 more dps overall with no hit gear? How many LB and CL do you think I cast in a full clear naxx? Prob more than a 1000. And % are a rounded thing. So if I did something 10 times and got 2 misses than chances are if I did it 1000 times I would get 200 misses.
not necessarily, its all RNG, 10 times with 2 misses is lucky imo. Only 10 times is a very small chance to miss and/or hit, its all about RNG. just think about crit chance, you can go 10+ lightning bolts, or you could get 10 in a row its all about luck.
To be honest, I tried the same thing with hit. And it seems it dont really come into play that well against a dummy for some reason. But I did notice at hit cap, that my Lightning Overload proc'd more. I had the opposite effect, with hit cap'd I went up almost 800dps. and far more damage output. Most people have to realize we might not have top dps due to cast time, but look at damage done next time against a boss. Crit is almost a wasted stat for elemental shamans. Hit>SP>Crit>Haste.
Can you honestly say crit is a wasted stat? We proc off crits. Cheaper spells 5% more crit, and come next patch 10% more SP when we crit. I took my normal 232 hit rating heroic naxx and than took off my gear same dps. It does not matter at this point.
Your test was about 1 minute long, if that.. RNG can make ur hit rating of 0 look like it isnt needed.. i personally have 293 hit rating on my shaman and if we have no shadow priest / moonkin in the group i drop some items to get the missing 3% hit.. hit IS the most important stat.. especially for a shaman. Missing with Flameshock is a MASSIVE dps loss, making ur next LvB not crit.
Well I did drop most of my hit gear for crit and SP gear and my dps went from about 2.9-3.2k in a raid to almost 4k. Luck? Maybe, but the fact is the bosses and mobs out there right now don't need 17%. I am willing to bet money. Maybe in Ice Crown 17% will be needed.
Its true you didn't miss a whole lot more, but losing that hit rating did drop your average damage per hit by about half (partial resists most likely). crits with hit were in the 5.2k to 6k range without hit I think the highest I saw was 3.7k so it does help you avoid partial resists. However, in the end I do agree that shamans in general can relax on hit rating
L O L!! that hunter pet is hitting fast too so.. are u hitting ?? LOLLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
WoWofAhtisaari 1 year ago
Get off your ass and get exalted with thrallmar
addalilirishtourgame 1 year ago
If your FS or LB misses or like a CH its a huge dps loss its better to be hit cap'd always.
ShammyWoWLoL 1 year ago
hit rating is useless
H3llicus 1 year ago
well first get your haste rating up to 500+ haste is the primary stat for the shammy
idollos 1 year ago
lol, bosses have resistance nub
Xsuma 1 year ago
lol u take of gear! lollollol
wowshammy96 1 year ago
lets say theoretically, on a raid boss all 5 of your dps miss twice, and lets say all of those hits would have been 15k, thats 150k damage lost right there. Do the math, trust me on this DPS missing = very very bad.
lullylewj 2 years ago
are you dumb? lmfao how are you goin to test something out casting only 30 times? and expect that to be the end of your retarded theorycrafting lmao. jesus noobs , hit rating will matter always did always will .
princeh89 2 years ago
the point of this vid is in the description
ilikepoptarts1000 2 years ago
wel.. i crit more with my 70shammy :P
hussa91 2 years ago
if your enh you need to have 3 hit caps.
15% (can be 12%) melee, 17% spell, 26/26 expertise.
TehJoker001 2 years ago
crappy dmg, but what was the point of this vid?
hussa91 2 years ago
@hussa91 fucking dumbass it was jan 08 when this was put up WOTLK came out in november thats rally good damage at the time so shut the fuck up
odstroy22 2 years ago
i got 360 :P
ApacheGate2 2 years ago
you suck
TheMikaellol 2 years ago
Lol
Hitcap is 17%
3 frmo elemental precision
and 14% from gear
Get less...and you wont hit bosses Good xD
Coz Hit rating for most bosses are 17% for eles
normal mobs wont matter
naskoon 2 years ago
i got like 400 hit xD
dillern93 2 years ago
On raid bosses, 17% (446 Hit Rating) total hit percentage is needed to never miss with
a spell. With Elemental Precision, that drops it to 14% (368 Hit Rating, 289 with Misery
or Improved Faerie Fire debuff) needed from gear.
Hit rating>Spell Power>Haste Rating>Crit rating
TheRockChamp 2 years ago
hit cap as an ele sham is 12% and yes it is very important, and also think about it like this you could put in a 19 SP gem and make your average lighting bolt hit for 15 more or you could put in a 16 hit gem and get hit capped so you dont miss a cast that could hit for 7k
rageaddict777 2 years ago
on my enh shammy i have 345 hit and im capped not sure about elemental.
SuperWowcrazy 2 years ago
302 hit gogo
ZERKUM 2 years ago
i like the tauren the feigns right at the end.
KaB0m 2 years ago
As you said, maybe you just got lucky.... Yes, you will miss sometimes even when you are "hit-capped" this term is referred to the basis that is achievable with not loosing too much of other stats. You will still miss, it is possible to have like 1k hit rating and never miss, but then again your dps will be at 500... It's an issue about balance.
itrlol 2 years ago
I'm with 271 hit rating (10.33%) + 3% talents and i missed like 20 LB's in a couple of bosses in Ulduar. It sucked. It sucked BIGTIME. A miss is wasted mana, dps not counting and valuable 1.6 sec wasted. Every caster that wants to be top, must be hit capped. First, hit cap your char, then, as gear comes, start investing in other stats when u can..
Foxalhao 2 years ago
hit rating:
28% melee auto atks(dual)
8% melee auto atks(2 hander)
8% yellow atks
17% spell atks based on a boss at +3 lvs then you
mswagg30 2 years ago
hit rating also means that u dont get partial resists, so ur 0% hit goes would have been less damage due to partial resists
penguin2005 2 years ago
he has the hack called stat changer
dylanstube01 2 years ago
I have a hack? lol
charbelcher00 2 years ago
He's not hacking anything. o.O WHAT ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED!?
Hankatu 2 years ago 3
@dylanstube01 ...no, you moron. It's called he changed his gear. >.<
Shadowsofheartagram 1 year ago
Hit rating cap for an Elemental Shaman is 368 when you are by yourself. With debuffs on the target, Misery from SP, or improved Farie Fire from boomkins, the hit cap is 289. So either way you are not at hit cap. Oh and hit cap is not 9% it is 13%. And for some more complaining this was not at all in-depth with only 30 casts.
Shandowslash 2 years ago 3
You are correct, this showed the power of RNG more than anything. People get hung up on DPS so much that don't realize that on Patchwerk without changing gear i can do as low as 4.2k dps or as high as 5.1k it all about random LO, procs, hits and misses.
charbelcher00 2 years ago
He put off his shoes etc ^^
inflames1994 2 years ago
Hmm, i ran naxx with with 0 hit rating as ele did 3k dps, ran naxx next week with 220HR and did 3200dps.... i could have stacked more crit.
jacobbz08 2 years ago
stack haste over crit, more ele shams need to get out of the BC mentality thats it's crit uber alles. Haste is the new lifeblood (until LB is at 1.6)
roflbatsupreme 2 years ago
depends, if your just there for raid buff crit is all you need to do. 3200 dps is low for my guild since everyone was pushing 4.5k besides me, 1 rogue and the tanks.
jacobbz08 2 years ago
with lava burst EO has 100% uptime built in, so proper stat stacking puts me head and shoulders above most people in my guild
roflbatsupreme 2 years ago
A 200 dps increase with 220 mroe hit is about right.
1 hit = ~1.6 dps (until capped, 0 dps once you're capped)
1 spell power = ~1.4 dps
1 haste = ~0.8 dps
1 crit = ~0.6 dps
As you can see from those values you should never gem for anything but spell power once you're at the hit cap.
tehAC 2 years ago
Also you should note that if you measure the effectiveness of hit over a whole naxx run then you're going to get wrong results. The reason being a fair chunk of your dps will be from trash, who are lower levels than bosses. The hit cap values people talk about are on boss level mobs, which are effectively level 73. Most trash is usually 70-72 and requires far less hit to not miss
tehAC 2 years ago
im guessing u mean 80
T1G9R 2 years ago
hey men what addons do u use there?
serduq123 3 years ago
Dominos, totemcandy, recount, expearl, and few others
charbelcher00 2 years ago
coulda just used dr dmg
waldo04 3 years ago
Shockolate :D
Best name ever for a shammy^^
awesomeSimon 3 years ago
On top of that:
You should never gem for anything but spell power once you're hit capped (289 with a shadow priest or moonkin in raid). Crit is the worst stat because 2 of your spells arent affected by it in the slightest. You may be happy with 4k dps with no hit but i'll keep my 5.5k hit capped with naxx gear, ta
tehAC 3 years ago
340 HR showed zero dps difference than 120 HR with more SP and crit. That's all I'm saying
charbelcher00 3 years ago
You're claiming that 30 lightning bolt casts is a sufficient test of hit rating? . . . . .
Why don't you go back and cast under the same circumstances (and relative hit rating) until you're out of mana and then see if you think hit rating doesn't matter.
kelltik2000 3 years ago
Ill toss up a video of a complete naxx run with zero HR will that help prove to you? 1000+ spells
charbelcher00 3 years ago
The hit cap is 17%. It wont change with harder raid instances, a skull level boss is a skull level boss regardless of what instance its in. I sometimes run karazhan at level 80 to try farm the attumen mount and i still frequently get misses on attumen at level 80 with about 200ish hit rating (i mix in some resto gear cause i heal mostly on those runs). Its very well established that the chain of command for stats atm is:
hit > spell power > haste > crit
tehAC 3 years ago
yellow dmg ftw...you where over the hit cap with that 232 think..isn't it like 9% hit cap and you had 11% gear+talents?
omfghardtogetnameher 3 years ago
Thats wrong, it's 8% for melee mail dps. ANd something like 17% or around there for Spell dps. Spell hit and melee hit is different.
mattchew911 2 years ago
you need 17% hit as an caster, but you get 3% from your spec and 3% by a shadow oder boomkin so 11% by your eq ist enough
TodesHuehnchen 2 years ago
Interesting >.>
liro9089 3 years ago
God i wanna lvl my shaman, but damn its so boring XD
thobiashs 3 years ago
I've been waiting for a discussion about hit rating for a long time. I was afraid of posting it in the blizz forums because shamans priorize hit so much. I went naxx 25 man last week, and with no hit at all (40-50 hit) I had something like 13% missed. What I mean is that ur dps is not to decrease at the same rate as ur hit rating, but with you want to be a top dpser the hit cap is needed to ensure that you will not miss due to the lack of hit rating. All top dpsers are hit cap or almost.
MichelIchiy 3 years ago
While I won't argue that hit cap is needed. I will argue that 17% is not needed right now. On my shaman I can get 4k dps without special buffs almost always now after the last patch and found zero dps increase by going from 180 HR to 260 HR
charbelcher00 3 years ago
I tried it my self and yeah, shamans dont need hitraiting..
n0rb3rg 3 years ago
omfg first... 2133 SP
second... 1000 omfg...
dusanqo94 3 years ago
shaman hit rating is bugged you ill get the same resluts with 0 hit rating
zebi269 3 years ago
you're an idiot, you tested 30 lightning bolts, that isnt in any way accurate, try 1000
gohan11110 3 years ago
Well how about I did heroic naxx with hit gear and than with no hit gear and I did 300 more dps overall with no hit gear? How many LB and CL do you think I cast in a full clear naxx? Prob more than a 1000. And % are a rounded thing. So if I did something 10 times and got 2 misses than chances are if I did it 1000 times I would get 200 misses.
charbelcher00 3 years ago
not necessarily, its all RNG, 10 times with 2 misses is lucky imo. Only 10 times is a very small chance to miss and/or hit, its all about RNG. just think about crit chance, you can go 10+ lightning bolts, or you could get 10 in a row its all about luck.
drokdaman 3 years ago
To be honest, I tried the same thing with hit. And it seems it dont really come into play that well against a dummy for some reason. But I did notice at hit cap, that my Lightning Overload proc'd more. I had the opposite effect, with hit cap'd I went up almost 800dps. and far more damage output. Most people have to realize we might not have top dps due to cast time, but look at damage done next time against a boss. Crit is almost a wasted stat for elemental shamans. Hit>SP>Crit>Haste.
etsmith3 3 years ago
Can you honestly say crit is a wasted stat? We proc off crits. Cheaper spells 5% more crit, and come next patch 10% more SP when we crit. I took my normal 232 hit rating heroic naxx and than took off my gear same dps. It does not matter at this point.
charbelcher00 3 years ago
Your test was about 1 minute long, if that.. RNG can make ur hit rating of 0 look like it isnt needed.. i personally have 293 hit rating on my shaman and if we have no shadow priest / moonkin in the group i drop some items to get the missing 3% hit.. hit IS the most important stat.. especially for a shaman. Missing with Flameshock is a MASSIVE dps loss, making ur next LvB not crit.
stuartong87 3 years ago
Well I did drop most of my hit gear for crit and SP gear and my dps went from about 2.9-3.2k in a raid to almost 4k. Luck? Maybe, but the fact is the bosses and mobs out there right now don't need 17%. I am willing to bet money. Maybe in Ice Crown 17% will be needed.
charbelcher00 3 years ago
Nice one, i also have an elemental specced troll shaman at level 80 and have been wondering the exact same thing. Good work!
mattrip 3 years ago
Its true you didn't miss a whole lot more, but losing that hit rating did drop your average damage per hit by about half (partial resists most likely). crits with hit were in the 5.2k to 6k range without hit I think the highest I saw was 3.7k so it does help you avoid partial resists. However, in the end I do agree that shamans in general can relax on hit rating
hutc0130 3 years ago
To make things fair I unequpied a lot of gear to get no hit rating so I only had 1100 SP instead of 2200
charbelcher00 3 years ago