when we used to lace up we threaded it though platter to the projector and laced it up then back to the cake stand (platter) you dont have to bypass the projector, it makes the only difference to film never touches the floor (my arse, i wonder how many people actually never let film touch the floor) good video though, i do miss my vic 9's and phillips cake stands.
Also the xenon can explode in the lamp house if, careless opened up and the change in temperature = duck! KABOOM! LOL Ive seen the mess they make in lamp house.
Plastic perforated screens came around in the 1950s. In the old days they used bed sheets that was washed constantly due to cigarette smoke and often shrank and ripped when replacing them. Sound will pass though a bed sheet like butter!
Australian tv drama shows used to use a technique where everything would be shot on video, the video then transferred to 35mm film, then telecine'd back to video, all to get that film look you speak off. Process was much cheaper than shooting on film.
In 2008 they could do the effect digitally I'm sure.
That was fascinating! :) Even though the first metre or so of the actual film is nothing, I'm still surprised that he didn't handle the entire reel with gloves especially when moving it off the carousel and even threading it... as for computers being out of date after 3 years... shhhhhhhh my 6 year old computer might hear that and decide to go on strike!!! :)
is this still what the bigger cinema places are doing? film makes sense but I thought they would have gone digital by now. btw I did watch and I understand why film is beter than digital(they havn't even made a digital still camera that takes beter photos than the old skool film doo-hickeys).
Yes they are all still using film. A number of locations have got some digital installations - but these are primarily used for the advertising pre-show and not the feature. The cinema featured in this documentary has two digitally capable screens. It comes down to three factors - Significant Capital Expense - Low availability of digital content - Quality
Hey do you small cinema chains still have to wait weeks after release for 2nd hand copies of films due to distributor red tape (and maybe the cost of a new print?) that favours the corporate cinemas?
I think there was something on the ABC about this. but it was quite a while ago, and I can't recall the details.
Basically they were saying that is why all the independents are dying or dead. They can't get (or afford) prints when movies come out.
When you hire a 'print' you pay a large percentage of each ticket sold directly to the distributor, particularly in the first few weeks -- a commission based pricing model. This is one of the reasons why you pay so much at the candy bar, and are forced to sit through advertisements. You may also be required by the distributor to play the film a certain amount of times per day and guarantee a certain amount box-office sales. Ultimately the distributor needs to maintain a healthy profit.
I noticed when that 3D movie beowulf came out, my local Corporate cinema would never reduce the price for the 3D digital version, not on Tuesday when every other film was cheap, not not weeks into the run. They wanted $16 for every session for it's entire run.
No concessions available, no Cheap arse Tuesday screenings. Can you tell me the logic ni that? I never saw the film simply based on princial. I could not see why they couldn't have cheap screenings. Surely a full cinema is better.
Yes I can, the logic is fairly simple - Digital 3D is tremendously more expensive. A successful business must maintain a reasonable cost-to-income ratio to remain profitable. The digital projector is very expensive, but in addition you also need a specialised 'silver treated' screen and a polarising unit -- both of which have very high costs. You would have also been provided with a set of glasses to watch the feature - which are relatively cheap... but still contribute to the overall cost.
Yeah but if the cinema is like 1/5 full due to the price it doesn't seem to make sense.
But if the screen is so expensive and maybe the projectors aren't as bright, they might use the smallest cinema, and so they don't need a lot of people to sell out the session and therefore can demand the premium price for it's entire run.
Has anyone been caught at your cinema filming the screen, with the suspected intention of either selling it on DVD or putting it on the internet?
Cinemas claim they have devices that detect people video'ing the screen. I don't buy that one little bit. and I strongly suspect it's MPAA bullshit propaganda , but can you set the record straight?
I have never witnessed a customer attempting to dub a film with a video camera. I think that claim is a scare tactic. Some locations do install infrared emitters, with the intent to degrade any content filmed directly off the screen.
However, It is true that most (if not all mainstream films) are protected by a special hidden water mark that appears sporadically throughout the feature. It's not particularly hidden, and once you know what you're looking for you will be constantly distracted . Even with hideous compression over the web you would be able to identify this unique security feature -- allowing the distributor to pin-point exactly which cinema the 'bootleg' has originated from.
Its just so stupid, why dont they use computers, store it all on harddrives etc. It would be much more elite quality, you wont get that stupid dust effect you get in a cinema, and it would be cheaper as you wont have to pay for a $50,000 machine and pay for alot of staff to handle it.
well as said in the documenary, it could be out of date in just a few years but alot of peopel would lose their jobs including transportation of the films, and film printing and what not. same with projectionist, would lose their jobs to a task where u just press a few buttons.
I used to be a projectionist, a junior one anyway, this brings back memories.. Sitting in the projection room watching the same movie OVER... and OVER... and OVER again
I had a mate that worked in a cinema, I was able to go up to the projectionist room and saw a lot of this first hand, but this documentary has information new to me, very well done.
I CAN'T FUCKING STAND YOU, and my comment might not even show cause you've probably blocked me, BUT, this is good & interesting, probably because you're not in it.
Can you get that cinema guy to come to youtube to answer questions?
uhh i try to be behind the camera not infront, the guy who is int he video is "matroxDV" and he has commented on this page, you can ask him questions and he may answer
interesting but old school, i should show you what i do for work. it would blow your mind... 3* i would have done 4 but your cheap with your stars lol
First off, I've always wanted a behind the scenes at a cinema... Secondly, this was well done. You got great coverage. And it's so true- digital simply cannot equal film quality. I never knew projector bulbs were xenon. awesome vid.
I'm not actually in this video, however i did shoot and edit it over 2 visits to the cinema about 2 months apart (im lazy). My old friend matthew is a projectionist and the cinema is a small local venue
when we used to lace up we threaded it though platter to the projector and laced it up then back to the cake stand (platter) you dont have to bypass the projector, it makes the only difference to film never touches the floor (my arse, i wonder how many people actually never let film touch the floor) good video though, i do miss my vic 9's and phillips cake stands.
showreel2 4 months ago
I remember seeing a movie where the film strip broke XD. Luckily, they had another one at standby.
Game1ngAssass1n 8 months ago
SHIT JOB....BUT I STILL MISS IT
MANTLEBERG 8 months ago
ok i didnt watch the end lol
MTran0708 1 year ago
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MTran0708 1 year ago
This is a very good mini documentary. This dude explained every detail I wanted to know and is very informative. Thanks!
pspython4 1 year ago
Also the xenon can explode in the lamp house if, careless opened up and the change in temperature = duck! KABOOM! LOL Ive seen the mess they make in lamp house.
Plastic perforated screens came around in the 1950s. In the old days they used bed sheets that was washed constantly due to cigarette smoke and often shrank and ripped when replacing them. Sound will pass though a bed sheet like butter!
I hope digital cinema fails! 35mm 70mm rules!
Nice video by the way cheers.
EmpireLS56KW 1 year ago
Im a former projectionist for UCI and Warner Village.
1:26 looks like Vic V? Mind you its been 20 years since I seen a Vic V.
Red LED that has replaced the common old exciter lamp. Longer lasing and sound wise its an improvement in terms of analogue sound quality.
Dolby Cat#700 is the pick-up for the digital track. The red LED is passing over the analogue track.
The Dolby 700 is CCD video camera that translates the digital bits into 6channel.
sound. I've worked on CP500 at Warner. Oh QSC amps
EmpireLS56KW 1 year ago
DIGATAL FILM IS BETTER
TheJayster1234 1 year ago
i like your point of view about the digital cinema :) our projectors are in use since 1948! =)
samfisher20041 1 year ago
That's not a proper way of talking? Ending every sentence like it's a question? When it's not a question? But a statement?
peteuseisthebest 2 years ago
that was very interesting stuff..I will never look at a movie theater the same.
trizack 2 years ago
nice work steve
hsvnow 3 years ago
I await the day that Morphix creates a new video!!!!!!!!!
whatthedoe 3 years ago
very interesting especialy the part about sound coming from behind the screen...
thanks for sharing mate
wezz84 3 years ago
Cool video!
DrewCameron 3 years ago
sweet! Pretty interesting video!
whatthedoe 3 years ago
great vid !!
always interested in the workings of a cinema
more plz !
lonewolf74 3 years ago
Awesome. Nice job.
RandomnessAzn 3 years ago
Interesting!
magictricks3 3 years ago
Disclaimer:
35mm film has an aesthetic look that's very hard to replace or replicate in digital. And of course thats something that should be considered here.
What people shouldn't say is "Digital will never be as good as film.."
They're two different mediums, and at the moment they're equal in definition.
Just look at Digital Intermediate use in films...
The only thing being, that film at the moment as a CAPTURE source is almost impossible to beat in terms of latitude and warmness.
Flavouredspine 3 years ago
Australian tv drama shows used to use a technique where everything would be shot on video, the video then transferred to 35mm film, then telecine'd back to video, all to get that film look you speak off. Process was much cheaper than shooting on film.
In 2008 they could do the effect digitally I'm sure.
eveningniteshade 3 years ago
Ah thats really interesting.
I've always wondered if people had ever done that.
Flavouredspine 3 years ago
Great interesting video.
Nice points, though I think soon we may be seeing a change in the industry.
Considering that 2k and 4k technology is readily available, and 4k projectors are becoming competitive.
4k is Comparable/exceeding in definition to film.
I reckon it's fair to say that this technology won't be getting out dated all too quickly.
It's not like VHS or the old PC.
Like someone said before, could have used some more light on subjects etc.
But the message is there and it's good.
Flavouredspine 3 years ago
That was fascinating! :) Even though the first metre or so of the actual film is nothing, I'm still surprised that he didn't handle the entire reel with gloves especially when moving it off the carousel and even threading it... as for computers being out of date after 3 years... shhhhhhhh my 6 year old computer might hear that and decide to go on strike!!! :)
welcomestranger 3 years ago
is this still what the bigger cinema places are doing? film makes sense but I thought they would have gone digital by now. btw I did watch and I understand why film is beter than digital(they havn't even made a digital still camera that takes beter photos than the old skool film doo-hickeys).
T0bSure 3 years ago
Yes they are all still using film. A number of locations have got some digital installations - but these are primarily used for the advertising pre-show and not the feature. The cinema featured in this documentary has two digitally capable screens. It comes down to three factors - Significant Capital Expense - Low availability of digital content - Quality
MatroxDv 3 years ago
Hey do you small cinema chains still have to wait weeks after release for 2nd hand copies of films due to distributor red tape (and maybe the cost of a new print?) that favours the corporate cinemas?
I think there was something on the ABC about this. but it was quite a while ago, and I can't recall the details.
Basically they were saying that is why all the independents are dying or dead. They can't get (or afford) prints when movies come out.
eveningniteshade 3 years ago
When you hire a 'print' you pay a large percentage of each ticket sold directly to the distributor, particularly in the first few weeks -- a commission based pricing model. This is one of the reasons why you pay so much at the candy bar, and are forced to sit through advertisements. You may also be required by the distributor to play the film a certain amount of times per day and guarantee a certain amount box-office sales. Ultimately the distributor needs to maintain a healthy profit.
MatroxDv 3 years ago
I noticed when that 3D movie beowulf came out, my local Corporate cinema would never reduce the price for the 3D digital version, not on Tuesday when every other film was cheap, not not weeks into the run. They wanted $16 for every session for it's entire run.
No concessions available, no Cheap arse Tuesday screenings. Can you tell me the logic ni that? I never saw the film simply based on princial. I could not see why they couldn't have cheap screenings. Surely a full cinema is better.
eveningniteshade 3 years ago
Yes I can, the logic is fairly simple - Digital 3D is tremendously more expensive. A successful business must maintain a reasonable cost-to-income ratio to remain profitable. The digital projector is very expensive, but in addition you also need a specialised 'silver treated' screen and a polarising unit -- both of which have very high costs. You would have also been provided with a set of glasses to watch the feature - which are relatively cheap... but still contribute to the overall cost.
MatroxDv 3 years ago
Yeah but if the cinema is like 1/5 full due to the price it doesn't seem to make sense.
But if the screen is so expensive and maybe the projectors aren't as bright, they might use the smallest cinema, and so they don't need a lot of people to sell out the session and therefore can demand the premium price for it's entire run.
eveningniteshade 3 years ago
Has anyone been caught at your cinema filming the screen, with the suspected intention of either selling it on DVD or putting it on the internet?
Cinemas claim they have devices that detect people video'ing the screen. I don't buy that one little bit. and I strongly suspect it's MPAA bullshit propaganda , but can you set the record straight?
atropine1 3 years ago
I have never witnessed a customer attempting to dub a film with a video camera. I think that claim is a scare tactic. Some locations do install infrared emitters, with the intent to degrade any content filmed directly off the screen.
MatroxDv 3 years ago
However, It is true that most (if not all mainstream films) are protected by a special hidden water mark that appears sporadically throughout the feature. It's not particularly hidden, and once you know what you're looking for you will be constantly distracted . Even with hideous compression over the web you would be able to identify this unique security feature -- allowing the distributor to pin-point exactly which cinema the 'bootleg' has originated from.
MatroxDv 3 years ago
your question was also shot to be in this feature, but I didn't include it.
morphix007 3 years ago
wow i thought it was just all on computers these days!
TJPRSproductions 3 years ago
Nice job & interesting, thanks. long live film !
mail2259 3 years ago
fantastic.
BaronVonGotha 3 years ago
I'm waiting for the sequel - "Behind the scenes of an IMAX cinema"
noswonky 3 years ago
this was easy to do because i know a number of people that work at this small family owned cinema.
morphix007 3 years ago
Its just so stupid, why dont they use computers, store it all on harddrives etc. It would be much more elite quality, you wont get that stupid dust effect you get in a cinema, and it would be cheaper as you wont have to pay for a $50,000 machine and pay for alot of staff to handle it.
Luky1Jay 3 years ago
well as said in the documenary, it could be out of date in just a few years but alot of peopel would lose their jobs including transportation of the films, and film printing and what not. same with projectionist, would lose their jobs to a task where u just press a few buttons.
morphix007 3 years ago
But the big bosses dont care if you loose your job, it means more money for them.
Luky1Jay 3 years ago
Sounds like you could relate it to petrol prices. And going from fossil fuels to green fuels?
MyXL2 3 years ago
I've always wondered what went on up there :p
thanks. and nice work.
twininjo 3 years ago
I used to be a projectionist, a junior one anyway, this brings back memories.. Sitting in the projection room watching the same movie OVER... and OVER... and OVER again
CHADTHEWORMKING 3 years ago
It was good.
Very interesting.
You needed a bit more lighting on your subjects though.
I learnt something though.
S2333 3 years ago
Cool little doco, nice info on a cinema.
Arthur40TwoDent 3 years ago
I had a mate that worked in a cinema, I was able to go up to the projectionist room and saw a lot of this first hand, but this documentary has information new to me, very well done.
megaleach 3 years ago
Well done!
Texaslobo 3 years ago
MORE PLZ!!
fuzzyargy 3 years ago
all you people want is moar moar moar moar!
morphix007 3 years ago
hahaha leave cinemas alone!
BigMilan 3 years ago
loads of stuff i never knew..thanks!
evilbrainproductions 3 years ago
wow this was cool! good job!
darkrealm666 3 years ago
show me the money
morphix007 3 years ago
hey,
I CAN'T FUCKING STAND YOU, and my comment might not even show cause you've probably blocked me, BUT, this is good & interesting, probably because you're not in it.
Can you get that cinema guy to come to youtube to answer questions?
eveningniteshade 3 years ago
uhh i try to be behind the camera not infront, the guy who is int he video is "matroxDV" and he has commented on this page, you can ask him questions and he may answer
morphix007 3 years ago
Nice!
TheJayEffect 3 years ago
interesting but old school, i should show you what i do for work. it would blow your mind... 3* i would have done 4 but your cheap with your stars lol
RIPFILMS 3 years ago
lol he is known to be stingy
ApauledTV 3 years ago
its complicated, though,
FadedHolySoldier 3 years ago
so you were the ugly guy at the cinema a couple days ago, fuck dude, you were fucking ugly
dirtyepic1 3 years ago
That was interesting!
TVnewsGuya 3 years ago
Kewl.
~L~
WoosterFanGirl 3 years ago
Very, very cool. Thanks for putting this together.
AngryAussie 3 years ago
excellent video, good info to know.
{too professional = soon(i hope)}
kmattson118 3 years ago
Really interesting. Great mini documentary. ★★★★★
topcat4eva 3 years ago
First off, I've always wanted a behind the scenes at a cinema... Secondly, this was well done. You got great coverage. And it's so true- digital simply cannot equal film quality. I never knew projector bulbs were xenon. awesome vid.
-jason
ApauledTV 3 years ago 2
Thats a hell of alot of distance for film to travel in a cinema
dctcool 3 years ago
Leave a comment people it dont take long!
morphix007 3 years ago
Really good doc, the whole production was well done.
FunnelofFun 3 years ago 2
fuck all that effort.
DVD mate (y)
haha
mini doco was good
you like making videos steve
its ur kool thing
hemeinc 3 years ago
good stuff steven, that was really well made
Souperman100 3 years ago 2
Sweet. =) Lots of interesting info there.
killert00thbrush 3 years ago
wow that was really cool, i had no idea that's how cinemas worked- thanks for the info man.
squirrelygurl 3 years ago 2
hm this was quite interesting actually =]
ManicTheFanatic 3 years ago 2
My uncle was a projectionist. I used to press start, I felt special I even got my own name badge.
noobtubefilm 3 years ago
very very fascinating
channeIreview 3 years ago
Great video, VERY informative, thanks Steven
SpaceboyProductions 3 years ago
intersting...
musicania 3 years ago
Wow, do you work in a cinema??? Awesome!!! I wanna work there! Lol, you gonna enter this in best documentry?
Chrasityfilms 3 years ago
I'm not actually in this video, however i did shoot and edit it over 2 visits to the cinema about 2 months apart (im lazy). My old friend matthew is a projectionist and the cinema is a small local venue
morphix007 3 years ago
Haha cool! Um... LULZ!!! There's 20 cents
Chrasityfilms 3 years ago