important, yes. Smaller, with less income (but far from poor!), and with less real political power, but still an essential and integral part of commonwealth. So what? It was a commonwealth, one country. For reference: Polish–Lithuanian_Commonwealth at en wiki.
German soldiers fought in the rows of the Polish army as long as there was generally a Poland. In the early Middle Ages, they did not stand as a support people of slavic sovereigns rarely against its own emperor. German peers received large Begüterungen as a wage that they fought 1410 in fir mountain Grunwald bravely against the order knights.
@Polish607 Best to do research yourself and not ask others and relly on teachers and historyans because they hide the truth... so in conclusion i want to say that none of us (Lithuanians,Polish people and Germans) know exactly what happened ^^
@Polish607 See that wasn't so hard not to swear :D there are many stories about this battle.All the fantasy broke out just 100 years after the battle...I guess we will only know that when a time machine is invented :D nobody knows exactly how it happened even if it's written the person could of exadurated.
@Polish607 maybe ;) ok now let's have a normal conversation not the one you started with curse words...See a foreign writter (or someone) wrote that Lithuanian cavalry retreat was planned and that they rallied and charged again and Polish people say what happened ?
@DelTevynes what? about 70% was Polish knights, rest was Lithuanian, tatars and other mercenaries. Lithuanian forces was most light cavalry which run from the battlefield.
@PLNacjonalista like you are a nationalist of Poland i am of Lithuania now please do as i say
1.find someone who speaks Lithuanian
2.show him watch?v=K3BXZl7cq30&feature=related
3.let him translate
it tells that Lithuania's archealogists found armors and weapons that showed that Lithuania was as good equiped as theyre neighbours (that includes Poland)
and if we were to fight in leather for 20 minutes we would of died :) good luck nationalist ^^ and next time let's keep a descent conversation:)
They did came back. I´m from the Netherlands, and chroniclers here tell us that the Lithuanian cavalry retreat was planned in order to get the Teutonic Knights into the fields. This is one of the most heroic action in Middle-Ages. Nonetheless, no matter what happened, nor the Polish nor the Lithuanians would have survived if they where not together. They needed eichother and kicked some German ass:)
@PLNacjonalista uzasadnij bo to jak napisałeś ze spierdolili w krzaki to niewiele mówi ... Polacy też schowali się w lesie ale ani my ani litwini nie zrobili tego z powodu strachu . jesteś szowinista a nie nacjonalistą, główną robotę odwalili litwini
@WhitePolishPatriot schować się przed słońcem a uciec z pola bitwy to co innego.
Niech Ci będzie - litwini WYCOFALI się i już nie wrócili. Natomiast krzyżacy wrócili z pościgu za litwinami i włączyli się do bitwy. Nie wierzysz - poczytaj. Oczywiście w jakiś sposób pomogli nam wygrać. Ale my odwaliliśmy zdecydowaną większość roboty. Chyba nie sądzisz że lekkie odziane w skóry litewskie oddziały mogły się równać z Polskimi i krzyżackimi zakutymi w stal rycerzami. Taka jest prawda.
@ramizuPL przepraszam ,sugerując się Twoją końcówką w nicku "PL", myślałem żeś z Polski i posługujesz się polską historiografią.Jeszcze raz przepraszam,lecz dla większości Niemców hasło Tannenberg ( ,kojarzy się z rokiem 1914 a jeszcze bardziej kojarzą go z "potęgą" cesarstwa niemiecko-pruskiego II Rzeszy , mauzoleum-pomnikiem Hindenburga.Pozdrawiam , szacunek za całokształt i pasję poznawania historii.
Pierwsza bitwa pod Tannenbergiem to w niemieckiej historiografii to samo co u nas bitwa pod Grunwaldem, a bitwa o której mówisz to druga bitwa pod Tannenbergiem. Niemniej dzięki za komentarz, pozdrawiam.
@ramziuPL To tylko kwestia propagandy: Niemcy nazywają Grunwald Tannenbergiem, bo pozwala im to podciągnąć prawdziwą bitwę pod Tannenbergiem (1914) jako rewanż za Grunwald. A że to pierwsze to nie Tannenberg, a drugie to nie zwycięstwo nad Polakami, to już się tym specjalnie nie przejmują. Ważne, że się mogą dowartościować.
@susepoland co ty pedale szkopski mi tu piszesz na naszą historie!! Władysław Jagiełło poślubił polską księżną i Tak powsała historia gdzie rycerze jazda konna czego sarmaccy nauczyli rzymian czyli polski teraz i na zawsze i w 1410 RYCERZE I CHŁOPI zdobyli wolność dla POLSKI!!! ORZEŁ W KORONIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a kiedyś Litwini mieli nakręcić swoją wersję tej bitwy bo uważali że poniżono ich w tym filmie uważając ich za zwykłych dzikusów , co nie jest prawdą ... byli tak naprawdę odważniejsi od naszych ...
@1453Galatasaray Fakt, nie byli dzikusami. Tylko 20% mieszkańców Wielkiego Księstwa Litewskiego było rodowitymi Litwinami. Pozostała część była Rusinami, a oni stali na bardzo przyzwoitym poziomie kulturalnym i cywilizacyjnym. Już w czasach Jagiełły język litewski był w zaniku. On sam mówił po Rusku. Nie był też tak na prawdę poganinem, bo matka była prawosławna i właściwie wychował się w otoczeniu chrześcijan. Przyjęcie katolicyzmu to była już betka dla niego ;)
@Pit2x Don,t make my laugh, maybye learn history, for example chronicals wrote what language Jogaila used for talking with Vytautas in 1430 meating in Luck.
@LaukineShiaure I co z tego, że rozmawiali po Litewsku? Nie zmienia to faktu, że językiem urzędowym w Wielkim Księstwie Litewskim był starobiałoruski :)
@Husarz28 Zawisza to pojedynczy rycerz ,a naród litewski słynął w tamtych czasach z czynów takich jak pierwsze uderzenie lekkiej jazdy na krzyżaków w tej bitwie , ale również oblężenie Kowna i różne drobniejsze bitwy w których Litwini popisali się wręcz fanatyzmem bo już nie odwagą ...
@1453Galatasaray tak tylko że pod Grunwaldem Witold próbował ich powstrzymać przed ucieczką biczem i krzykiem . Przecież to Jagiełło kazał Litwinom najpierw zaatakować wroga .
@1453Galatasaray ale mówiąc "naród litewski" rozumiem że masz na myśli wszystkie te rozliczne narodowści jakie tam mieszkały np. Tatarów widocznych na tym filmie? WKL sięgało aż poza Ukraine, Litwini jako tacy byli mniejszością
In simple words for everyone :P Poland and Lithuania established union to kick tauteonic asses and make come good moves in region ;] Jagiełło was Duke of Lithuania. In 1386 he married daughter of polish king Ludwik Węgierski and he became King of Poland.
Dont forget to be see the battle next week ;] 17.07.2010r !!
dobry film, mile mnie zaskoczył, na początku dodałbym tylko odgłos mieczy uderzanych przez Jagiełłe dla wzmocnienia efektu, ale to tylko takie subiektywne odczucie. 5!
Zalozyciel mojego miasta w tej bitwie sam zdobyl choragiew krzyzacka za co Krol Jagiello w uznaniu mestwa i odwagi nadal mu ziemie w poludniowej Wielkopolsce!!! Taka jest historia mojego miasta a Ów rycerz zwal sie... KROTOSZ !!!!!!!!!
Zalozyciel mojego miasta w tej bitwie sam zdobyl choragiew krzyzacka za co Krol Jagiello w uznaniu mestwa i odwagi nadal mu ziemie w poludniowej Wielkopolsce!!! Taka jest historia mojego miasta a Ów rycerz zwal sie... KROTOSZ !!!!!!!!!
Zalozyciel mojego miasta w tej bitwie sam zdobyl choragiew krzyzacka za co Krol Jagiello w uznaniu mestwa i odwagi nadal mu ziemie w poludniowej Wielkopolsce!!! A rycerz zwal sie KROTOSZ !!!!!!
hoo sayng that poland beat crusades withaut as or that lithuania wood be nothing this out poland are strongly wron becouse we was very very strong coutry just look at the maps of medievals we even been near moscow three times.
P.S. Poland brouht crusades to boltic countries becouse you was about to give as a christianity Later you understud that crusades its not so saint as it looks and we was fighting together
I judged the Poles by their enemies. And I found it was an almost unfailing truth that their enemies were the enemies of magnanimity and manhood. If a man loved slavery, if he loved usury, if he loved terrorism and all the trampled mire of materialistic politics, I have always found that he added to these affections the passion of a hatred of Poland. She could be judged in the light of that hatred; and the judgment has proved to be right."
ja osobiście tą bitwę nazywam, bitwą między wschodem a zachodem europy po stronie krzyżaków Frankończycy, anglisy, hispanie. a po naszej Białorusini Smoleńscy itp..
I dont wan`t to say anything about POLAND but you guyz are spitting shits about Lithuania. We were one country ^^ Polish guys always says Lithuania didint help us bla bla bla..
sceny batalistyczne z "Krzyżaków" jak na tamte czasy stoją na światowym poziomie, nawet w dzisiejszych czasach nie wyglądają sztucznie, jak np. na rosyjskim gównie, pełnym żenady i propagandy - "1612".
It was a law in Poland in XIV century that only the king could to manage the country. Please look into any historical book about this matter and you can find sentence like that "Jadwiga of Anjou (1373/4 July 17, 1399) was a Monarch of Poland from 1384 to her death. Her official title was 'king' rather than 'queen' "
Polish language was Poland not OFFICIAL LITHUANIAN language We never speaked Polish . .!. We speaked Lithuanian even you tried to make Lithuania to speak Polish. We have different culture and etc. .!.
In 1466 when Moldavia was polish vassal. "polaks language is fucked up"??? In XVI,XVII,XVIII,XIX and even XX your ancestors speaked in polish language. On yours ground stayed traces of Polish culture. And dont call Poles "polack".
back to the ages when nowdays Belarus and Ukraine was part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania, there was no vassality (like Moldova was to Polish kingdom), it was teritory of GDL
Braty ja wam tylko powiem ze niedoceniacie roli litwinow w bitwie pod grunwaldem. Mowiono ze oni uciekli a niedawne odkrycia kronikarskie dowodza ze byl to odwrot ktory zaabsorwowal sily krzyzackie. Moze wyskoczylem jak partyzant ,ale chcialem zauwazyc wage dzialan litwinow w tej bitwie z ktorej wszyscy ich wykreslaja.
Prawdę mówisz, mało kto wie, ale bitwa ta przerodziła się po pewnym czasie w zbite grupy walczących. Lekka jazda Litwy i Ruska odciągała Krzyżaków, męczyły ostrzałem , dzięki czemu łatwiej było ich pokonać. To jest taktyka, która pokazała geniusz Litwina, rządzącego Polska i Litwą.
Napewno odkrycia tego dokonali litewscy historycy.Nie dziwie sie ze odwrot zaabsorbowal uwage niemcow.Nigdy wczesniej nie widzeli tak wielu uciekajacych na raz.Parafrazujac nigdy jeszcze w historii tak wielu nie uciekalo przed tak nie wieloma.
Gdy inne państwa są obronne wodą, mają porty warowne, góry niedostępne, my nic... Owe zewsząd do Polaków pola i grogi nieprzyjacielowi wyborne, przestrzenne; postąpi, ustąpi, wejdzie, wynijdzie: żywności, jeńców nabierze, gdzie chce i jako chce. W samych rękach naszych, piersiach i gardłach naszych munitia nasza to nasze góry, to nasze wody, to zamki, mury i wały Polski.
Piotr Grabowski: O pięciu rzeczach Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej należących, 1595
This werent polish kings- Jagiellon dynasty come from Lithuania. Doesnt metter.. Important is that you really helped us. Sad that we werent in alliance in 1939. Poland and Czechs could stop german barbarians once more like under Grunwald...
Lithuania.. STFU! Spit out this word, our brother betrayed. They left us at WW2 and even, whats worst, THEY HELP HITLER. There is no more PL-LT brotherhood.
ziutek998.Lithuania left that brotherhood of poland aggression to Vilnius and land around it, that territory had never belonged to poland. If poland was so good,so why they attacked?
and grammar. Although non-Polish administrations in Poland sometimes attempted, historically, to suppress the Polish language, a rich literature has nonetheless developed over the centuries, and many works by Polish authors are available in translations in English and other languages.
Polish (język polski, polszczyzna), an official language of Poland, has the largest number of speakers of any West Slavic language and, as for all the Slavic languages, its popularity is second only to Russian.[4] Polish-speakers use the language in a uniform manner through most of Poland, and it has a Latin-based orthography. The language developed indigenously and retains many ancient Slavic features of pronunciation
and about ur inviting teutonic order to duchy lands :D yh thats for the freash meat coz they failed masivly.... exept we hate u mostly coz it was ur foult of inviting them , then they massacre our 3rd tribal bloodlines brother sister Prusa [prussia renamed by germans] Thanks Alot :D Outof 3 brothers/sisters left only 2 Lietuva/Latvia .. oh yeah go to wikipedia or something read about IndoEuropean [its our language] not polish not russia u fags.. :D
know a shit about other nation history and the Liublin Unijons Rules And its Purpose.. Liublin Unijon had same Rules as EU/UN/NATO has now..thats why historians says it was unique!!!!! Good Day and Screw u Hippies! :D
chirstian holidays or customs is 95% pagan...90% of ltu populiations reject chirstianity.. 5% r polish or other minoritys...5% old ppl after ww2 survivors who still believes in jesus coz they think he saved them .... Btw Hitler said : Blame Polad for the Jews in Europe, Warsaw is Jew capital in europe. Not that im supporting his words..just rewriting them here...Proud that 26Batallions of LTU joined Wermacht to fight Komunists [not proud of Nazi genocide].. so stop trowing trashwords if u dont
Lituanian soldiers from Lietuvos Vietine Rinktine during WW2 fightt not with komiunist. They fight with Polish AK and they were defeated 13 and 14.05.1944 by Polish 3, 8, 9, 12 and 13 AK Brigades.Lituanian brave soldiers were sent baack to Jaszun, Wilno and Oszmiany
I do not know who ? I do not remember Lituanian soldier detached Wilno from Poland or polish soldiers.
I think that You do not have to be vulgar.
From other side In Wilno in 1916 live 2,6% Lithuanians and 50,2% Poles ( list of population made by Germans ) In 1931 0,8% Lithuanians and 65,9% Poles.
I think there are no reason to treate Wilno as only Lithuanian city. It is city of many nations.
Vilnius - international Lithuanians city :))) There are many Jews, many Russians, many Belorussians, many Ukrainians and also Lithuanians. Also there are many niggers, Asians and etc. Every nation is welcome in this beautiful city!
Newest statistics says, that there lives 17% of poles and this number is declining very hard, because of emigration and negative Poles increase. Especially this number is declining in Vilnius district.
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its not WIlno...its VIlnius butpipe..and 50.2% of poles was coz u bitches taked over..until we got it back..so screw u poles we hate u all....everyone hates poles especialy in UK...coz ur douchebags..
;D so what that there was 50% of poles sometime just picouse you have it ocupied LOL, but Wilno was build by all ages by lithuanians and it is etnografic place of lithuanians I dont know ehat they teaches you in poland shools , but youre opinion makes me angry just picouse you have ocupied vilniu for a short time doesnt mean its youres !!!! so fuck this opinion it's the same as I will say that part of Ireland is lithuanians picouse there is a lot of them living there ^^
In long history Wilno was also Lithuanian and Polish becouse Lithuanians in meaning nation as people talking in lithuanian lunguage was rather peasant and they can not hae big influence for developing Wilno. Almost all nobilitis or officials, and big part of townspeople were Poles or polonized Lithuanians or Russians. They talk Polish or Russian lunguage.
yeas there was many polish nobilitys but all lithuanian kings were living there, city was started by lithuanians and was always(except short period after ww1) runned by lithuanians and it was ALWAYS territory of lithuania , its just we accepted all emigrants , there was also so many jews they called wilno a litle jerusaleum
and there was many russians picouse at medyval ages lithuanians were rulling alot of russian lands up to black see
I agree that Lithuanian Kings were living in Wilno but from 1447 - 1569 polish kings were also king of Lithuania.
From 1569 to 1795 Lithuania Duchy is part of Polish Pepublic with capital in Warsaw and polish king is also king of Grat Duchy. King of Poland was elected by nobilities from Poland and Lithuania.
I think that there are many reason we may be proud becouse of union of our nations .
LT+PL? LOL? PL+LT. It was your PRINCE which married our QUEEN and he begin KING OF POLAND. It was PL+LT not LT+PL, if he will be a king then will be LT+PL but he wasn't so don't change facts!
we are not English in Lithuania were only one King many Dukes and grand Dukes...i never heard that sombody Duke called Prince...perhaps Duke means prince for you but for me Duke is Duke...peace...lets stop commenting :)
Borpiast, in Lithuaninan_Polish commonweatlh Lithuania wasn't part fo Polish Republic. First becouse Polish republic didn't exist - it was Kingdom. Second - it was union of two indpendent states. So Lithuania wasn't parto of Poland. Claiming that is the same if I say that Poland was part of Lithuania. Thank you.
@gegrenas lithuania was nothing without us, just a bunch of savage pagan beasts, you would have been defeated without us, have some honour and admit it....
Poland and Lithuania became one country. Lithuania was not part of Poland, or Poland part of Lithuania. It was a commonwealth of two Nations !! very successful one I may add..... cheers !as
@arka67 successful for Lithuania, but slightly less for Poland in the end ;) Mostly because of the wars with Sweden. Oh well ;)
Anyways, Republic of Nations had a single elective king, and it was *sort of* democratic (only nobles had a vote). Also insanely powerful before it has fallen. That is the risk of the democracy - electors might prove wrong... and it went wrong ;)
Commonwealth was very successful for Poland, because we managed to survive 1000 years beside Germany, who managed to assimilate almost all westerns Slavic tribes, Germany swallowed Silesians, Pomeranians, Sorbs or Plebians.. who are all part of Lechickie Slavic Tribes (Polish). in 1900 Poznan was 65% German, in 1944 Warsaw was gone. I do not believe in historical accidents.
The Commonwealth (Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów) lasted only fraction of the millennium you are talking about. During its time, it was (for a while) THE MOST powerful (on all grounds, economical, military, educational...) country in Europe.
Sweden flood might not have happened, if not king elector fighting to regain his crown in Sweden ;P But it is a speculation, what's done, is done.
Stop quoting mistranslated info from en wiki. It was not a commonwealth, but "Abiejų tautų respublika", or "Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów" = *Republic* of both nations, made of Kingdom of Poland and Principality of Lithuania combined, with nobles democracy and *ONE* elective king (so, *not* 2 independent nations), covering territories of at least another 5 todays countries (990 000 km²).
Also, polish had 5x higher tax income and twice the population of the Principality of Lithuania.
Stop quoting mistranslated info from en wiki. It was not a commonwealth, but "Abiejų tautų respublika", or "Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów" = *Republic* of both nations, made of Kingdom of Poland and Principality of Lithuania combined, with nobles democracy and *ONE* elective king (so, *not* 2 independent nations), covering territories of at least another 5 todays countries (990 000 km²).
Also, polish had 5x higher tax income and twice the population of the Principality of Lithuania
Well, Polish-Lithuanian Union pretty much always existed, however from 1569 I would say that NEITHER Poland or Lithuania existed, so Poland wasn't part of Lithuania, or Lithuania part of Poland.
Poland was the part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
Lithuania was the part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
It's a shame we gave that much freedom to the nobility. Instead of constitution we should just make absolute monarchy and 1 strong leader, keeping everything organized.
@gegrenas of corse, Lithuania was never part of Poland, because there were two states in the Union, the Crown and The Grand Duchy, but after 1569 (Union of Lublin) there was just one state The Commonwealth of Both Nations, and by the law that was one country . It was not Poland, it was not Lithuania, it was Both :) and It was a kind of Republic, some people call it The Old Republic, cause The King was chosen by free elections, not free for everyone, just nobles, but still kind of free.
Ten flim był kolorowy zresztą co to ma być!
Przeciesz w połowie przylażł darth vader i rozwalił jungena tak mam w książce
Armatoring 4 weeks ago
co to za miusic w tle?? robi wrażenie
tessoq1978 1 month ago
I feel kinda bad that other Poles keep saying "We did it all, Lithuania just ran away", and "Poland was more important than Lithuania all the time".
Those were forces of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, not just Poland or Lithuania.
Besides, Lithuania was enormous, if it wasn't for Lithuania, the Commonwealth would have been much, much smaller.
I'm Polish, but when it comes to Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, I never forget about how important Lithuania was.
Monxy100 7 months ago
@Monxy100
important, yes. Smaller, with less income (but far from poor!), and with less real political power, but still an essential and integral part of commonwealth. So what? It was a commonwealth, one country. For reference: Polish–Lithuanian_Commonwealth at en wiki.
lordplenty 3 months ago
szkoda tylko, że sceny bitwy pod Grunwaldem nie kręcone były pod Grunwaldem ;)
zgredek2000 8 months ago in playlist The Largest Victories of Polish Army
Zobaczie moj film o Polsce, GRUNWALD.
CHeck out my film about Grunwald.
HistoryBricks 10 months ago
German soldiers fought in the rows of the Polish army as long as there was generally a Poland. In the early Middle Ages, they did not stand as a support people of slavic sovereigns rarely against its own emperor. German peers received large Begüterungen as a wage that they fought 1410 in fir mountain Grunwald bravely against the order knights.
janissari 1 year ago
@Polish607 Best to do research yourself and not ask others and relly on teachers and historyans because they hide the truth... so in conclusion i want to say that none of us (Lithuanians,Polish people and Germans) know exactly what happened ^^
Good luck and thanks for the conversation.
DelTevynes 1 year ago
@Polish607 See that wasn't so hard not to swear :D there are many stories about this battle.All the fantasy broke out just 100 years after the battle...I guess we will only know that when a time machine is invented :D nobody knows exactly how it happened even if it's written the person could of exadurated.
DelTevynes 1 year ago
@DelTevynes Poland grasped the German... Out of revenge, the entire city systematically was destroyed and was devastated totally
janissari 1 year ago
@Polish607 maybe ;) ok now let's have a normal conversation not the one you started with curse words...See a foreign writter (or someone) wrote that Lithuanian cavalry retreat was planned and that they rallied and charged again and Polish people say what happened ?
DelTevynes 1 year ago
@Polish607 Ignorant bastard... i have never met a normal Polish person that doesn't speak lies.
DelTevynes 1 year ago
@Polish607 dokładnie stary
pozdrawiam
PLNacjonalista 1 year ago
Grunwald is a lithuanian victory...
WhitePolishPatriot 1 year ago
@WhitePolishPatriot to było Polskie zwycięstwo litwini spierdolili w krzaki
PLNacjonalista 1 year ago 2
@PLNacjonalista This was like Lithuania 55% Poland 40% and other country merceneries 5% :)
DelTevynes 1 year ago
@DelTevynes what? about 70% was Polish knights, rest was Lithuanian, tatars and other mercenaries. Lithuanian forces was most light cavalry which run from the battlefield.
PLNacjonalista 1 year ago
@PLNacjonalista hahaha go read books :D Lithuania ran and rallied and did a charge from the rear that led to the victory :)
DelTevynes 1 year ago
@DelTevynes you read about this in lithuanian books?
man read disinterested books
When Poland was strong and big, lithuanians wearing leathers and live in wood.
Lithuanians ran away and dont came back.
hahahahahahahhahahaha
PLNacjonalista 1 year ago
@PLNacjonalista like you are a nationalist of Poland i am of Lithuania now please do as i say
1.find someone who speaks Lithuanian
2.show him watch?v=K3BXZl7cq30&feature=related
3.let him translate
it tells that Lithuania's archealogists found armors and weapons that showed that Lithuania was as good equiped as theyre neighbours (that includes Poland)
and if we were to fight in leather for 20 minutes we would of died :) good luck nationalist ^^ and next time let's keep a descent conversation:)
DelTevynes 1 year ago
@PLNacjonalista
They did came back. I´m from the Netherlands, and chroniclers here tell us that the Lithuanian cavalry retreat was planned in order to get the Teutonic Knights into the fields. This is one of the most heroic action in Middle-Ages. Nonetheless, no matter what happened, nor the Polish nor the Lithuanians would have survived if they where not together. They needed eichother and kicked some German ass:)
kriddie88 1 year ago
@WhitePolishPatriot stary poczytaj troche zanim coś napiszesz. To było nasze zwycięstwo
PLNacjonalista 1 year ago
@PLNacjonalista uzasadnij bo to jak napisałeś ze spierdolili w krzaki to niewiele mówi ... Polacy też schowali się w lesie ale ani my ani litwini nie zrobili tego z powodu strachu . jesteś szowinista a nie nacjonalistą, główną robotę odwalili litwini
WhitePolishPatriot 1 year ago
@WhitePolishPatriot schować się przed słońcem a uciec z pola bitwy to co innego.
Niech Ci będzie - litwini WYCOFALI się i już nie wrócili. Natomiast krzyżacy wrócili z pościgu za litwinami i włączyli się do bitwy. Nie wierzysz - poczytaj. Oczywiście w jakiś sposób pomogli nam wygrać. Ale my odwaliliśmy zdecydowaną większość roboty. Chyba nie sądzisz że lekkie odziane w skóry litewskie oddziały mogły się równać z Polskimi i krzyżackimi zakutymi w stal rycerzami. Taka jest prawda.
PLNacjonalista 1 year ago
@ramizuPL przepraszam ,sugerując się Twoją końcówką w nicku "PL", myślałem żeś z Polski i posługujesz się polską historiografią.Jeszcze raz przepraszam,lecz dla większości Niemców hasło Tannenberg ( ,kojarzy się z rokiem 1914 a jeszcze bardziej kojarzą go z "potęgą" cesarstwa niemiecko-pruskiego II Rzeszy , mauzoleum-pomnikiem Hindenburga.Pozdrawiam , szacunek za całokształt i pasję poznawania historii.
susepoland 1 year ago
Tannenberg to nie Grunwald a Stębark pod którym Prusacy walczyli z Rosją.Popraw to.
susepoland 1 year ago
@susepoland
Pierwsza bitwa pod Tannenbergiem to w niemieckiej historiografii to samo co u nas bitwa pod Grunwaldem, a bitwa o której mówisz to druga bitwa pod Tannenbergiem. Niemniej dzięki za komentarz, pozdrawiam.
ramziuPL 1 year ago 5
@ramziuPL To tylko kwestia propagandy: Niemcy nazywają Grunwald Tannenbergiem, bo pozwala im to podciągnąć prawdziwą bitwę pod Tannenbergiem (1914) jako rewanż za Grunwald. A że to pierwsze to nie Tannenberg, a drugie to nie zwycięstwo nad Polakami, to już się tym specjalnie nie przejmują. Ważne, że się mogą dowartościować.
elahgabal 1 year ago
@susepoland Mylisz sie:
katowittz 10 months ago
@susepoland co ty pedale szkopski mi tu piszesz na naszą historie!! Władysław Jagiełło poślubił polską księżną i Tak powsała historia gdzie rycerze jazda konna czego sarmaccy nauczyli rzymian czyli polski teraz i na zawsze i w 1410 RYCERZE I CHŁOPI zdobyli wolność dla POLSKI!!! ORZEŁ W KORONIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lysy212 1 month ago
a kiedyś Litwini mieli nakręcić swoją wersję tej bitwy bo uważali że poniżono ich w tym filmie uważając ich za zwykłych dzikusów , co nie jest prawdą ... byli tak naprawdę odważniejsi od naszych ...
1453Galatasaray 1 year ago
@1453Galatasaray Fakt, nie byli dzikusami. Tylko 20% mieszkańców Wielkiego Księstwa Litewskiego było rodowitymi Litwinami. Pozostała część była Rusinami, a oni stali na bardzo przyzwoitym poziomie kulturalnym i cywilizacyjnym. Już w czasach Jagiełły język litewski był w zaniku. On sam mówił po Rusku. Nie był też tak na prawdę poganinem, bo matka była prawosławna i właściwie wychował się w otoczeniu chrześcijan. Przyjęcie katolicyzmu to była już betka dla niego ;)
Pit2x 1 year ago
@Pit2x Don,t make my laugh, maybye learn history, for example chronicals wrote what language Jogaila used for talking with Vytautas in 1430 meating in Luck.
LaukineShiaure 1 year ago
@LaukineShiaure I co z tego, że rozmawiali po Litewsku? Nie zmienia to faktu, że językiem urzędowym w Wielkim Księstwie Litewskim był starobiałoruski :)
Pit2x 1 year ago
@1453Galatasaray Dlaczego odważniejsi ? Przecież nasi rycerze słyneli z męstwa w całej Europie - taki Zawisza .
Husarz28 1 year ago
@Husarz28 Zawisza to pojedynczy rycerz ,a naród litewski słynął w tamtych czasach z czynów takich jak pierwsze uderzenie lekkiej jazdy na krzyżaków w tej bitwie , ale również oblężenie Kowna i różne drobniejsze bitwy w których Litwini popisali się wręcz fanatyzmem bo już nie odwagą ...
1453Galatasaray 1 year ago
@1453Galatasaray tak tylko że pod Grunwaldem Witold próbował ich powstrzymać przed ucieczką biczem i krzykiem . Przecież to Jagiełło kazał Litwinom najpierw zaatakować wroga .
Husarz28 1 year ago
@1453Galatasaray ale mówiąc "naród litewski" rozumiem że masz na myśli wszystkie te rozliczne narodowści jakie tam mieszkały np. Tatarów widocznych na tym filmie? WKL sięgało aż poza Ukraine, Litwini jako tacy byli mniejszością
MsAppleeater 1 year ago
@MsAppleeater to fakt litwinów w ich państwie nie było zbyt wielu ale księstwo btł w miarę pożądnym państwem jak na owe czasy
1453Galatasaray 1 year ago
@ramziuPL czemu?
decp12 1 year ago
In simple words for everyone :P Poland and Lithuania established union to kick tauteonic asses and make come good moves in region ;] Jagiełło was Duke of Lithuania. In 1386 he married daughter of polish king Ludwik Węgierski and he became King of Poland.
Dont forget to be see the battle next week ;] 17.07.2010r !!
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kamilzol 1 year ago
dobry film, mile mnie zaskoczył, na początku dodałbym tylko odgłos mieczy uderzanych przez Jagiełłe dla wzmocnienia efektu, ale to tylko takie subiektywne odczucie. 5!
krzysio208 1 year ago
@krzysio208 i jeszcze na koniec zabrakło najbardziej sugestywnego momentu: składania zdobytych chorągwi
MsAppleeater 1 year ago
Lithuania. Latvia is Łotwa. : P
Neerdrin 1 year ago
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lookaszx 1 year ago
muzyka plox
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@ramziuPL
Latvia to Łotwa. Litwa to Lithuania.
khulik 1 year ago
poland the best
SSMateuszSS 1 year ago
poland the best
SSMateuszSS 1 year ago
yeah like putun
genowefa80 1 year ago
Zalozyciel mojego miasta w tej bitwie sam zdobyl choragiew krzyzacka za co Krol Jagiello w uznaniu mestwa i odwagi nadal mu ziemie w poludniowej Wielkopolsce!!! Taka jest historia mojego miasta a Ów rycerz zwal sie... KROTOSZ !!!!!!!!!
Hylass101 1 year ago
Zalozyciel mojego miasta w tej bitwie sam zdobyl choragiew krzyzacka za co Krol Jagiello w uznaniu mestwa i odwagi nadal mu ziemie w poludniowej Wielkopolsce!!! Taka jest historia mojego miasta a Ów rycerz zwal sie... KROTOSZ !!!!!!!!!
Hylass101 1 year ago
Zalozyciel mojego miasta w tej bitwie sam zdobyl choragiew krzyzacka za co Krol Jagiello w uznaniu mestwa i odwagi nadal mu ziemie w poludniowej Wielkopolsce!!! A rycerz zwal sie KROTOSZ !!!!!!
Hylass101 1 year ago
@Hylass101
A więc pozdro dla Krotszyna przesyła Kalisz (tzn. normalni ludzie, nie kibole KKSu Kalisz).
khulik 1 year ago
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LITHUANIA GREAT!POLAND SHIT!
Ukrainist 1 year ago
hoo sayng that poland beat crusades withaut as or that lithuania wood be nothing this out poland are strongly wron becouse we was very very strong coutry just look at the maps of medievals we even been near moscow three times.
P.S. Poland brouht crusades to boltic countries becouse you was about to give as a christianity Later you understud that crusades its not so saint as it looks and we was fighting together
snupsas 1 year ago 2
Much of what was Samogitia then now is Lithuania today.
Areillis 1 year ago
Całkiem zręczny montaż... niezły filmik
u17c 1 year ago
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I judged the Poles by their enemies. And I found it was an almost unfailing truth that their enemies were the enemies of magnanimity and manhood. If a man loved slavery, if he loved usury, if he loved terrorism and all the trampled mire of materialistic politics, I have always found that he added to these affections the passion of a hatred of Poland. She could be judged in the light of that hatred; and the judgment has proved to be right."
Gilbert Keith Chesterton
divustitus 1 year ago
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mistrzostwo jeszcze jak bys husarie wkleil tu sztos...........a z kad wziasc ta piosenke
darek1569unia 2 years ago
@darek1569unia
Jaką husarie?! O czym ty chłopcze mówisz tutaj?!!!
guropl 2 years ago 8
@darek1569unia Husarie w 1410 roku?????
pomysl dwa razy nim cos palniesz
SmykuPL 2 years ago
Bogurodzica nie jest piosenką
Radomirius 1 year ago 3
@ramziuPL
Ramziu: litewskie - Lithuanian, Latvian, to łotewskie. Dobrze, aby też byłypoprawne ;-)
Pozdrawiam.
radled 2 years ago
Poland was HUGE imperium !
CanBeYours 2 years ago 23
@CanBeYours You have just insulted your country! Poland wasn't imperial, it was a peacefull republic forced to fight.
SparrowNoblePoland 1 year ago
@CanBeYours was
tovarishchump 1 year ago
ja osobiście tą bitwę nazywam, bitwą między wschodem a zachodem europy po stronie krzyżaków Frankończycy, anglisy, hispanie. a po naszej Białorusini Smoleńscy itp..
romekpmc 2 years ago
@romekpmc A Ruscy z Nowogrodu? Też, a i Tatary są! No i wschód wygrał!
BBbomba1994 1 year ago
bardzo dobrze tylko Latvia to Łotwa a nie Litwa ( Lithuania ;) )
CairSilverwolf 2 years ago
there's no difference so don't bother so much anymore.Latvia and Lithuania are brother nations.
Areillis 2 years ago
Jak sie na zywa ta pieśń ?
Bardzo prosze o odpowiedz
TheSebek97 2 years ago
Początek to "Bogurodzica" śpiewana w filmie Bitwa pod Grunwaldem (jakieś 20 sekund) a potem to nie wiem
CairSilverwolf 2 years ago
i think you need a good kick in the ass
Latvis19 2 years ago 2
dont tok just do it baby
SAMEDI1976 2 years ago
I dont wan`t to say anything about POLAND but you guyz are spitting shits about Lithuania. We were one country ^^ Polish guys always says Lithuania didint help us bla bla bla..
xMoNaco 2 years ago 3
Well , there were some things we blamed you about, and some you blamed us about ... usual thing in case of divorces ;)
CairSilverwolf 2 years ago
@xMoNaco I don't think so, I don't know who you talk to, we know about Lithuania, it' in the film too
MsAppleeater 1 year ago
Go educate yourselfe...
ditzhastati 2 years ago 2
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dominik0w 2 years ago
A mnie najbardziej podoba się Fragment, jak Wielki Mistrz pada z rąk zwykłego, polskiego chłopa :)
LeruaMerleu 2 years ago 4
@LeruaMerleu chlopi nie mieli w zwyczaju walczyc.... dopiero batory wprowadzil cos co zwano piechota wybraniecka
KatolickieScierwo 1 year ago
0:56 najlepszy moment gdy nasi wybiegają z lasu
Tomkar998 2 years ago
świetny filmik, jak reszta serii
sceny batalistyczne z "Krzyżaków" jak na tamte czasy stoją na światowym poziomie, nawet w dzisiejszych czasach nie wyglądają sztucznie, jak np. na rosyjskim gównie, pełnym żenady i propagandy - "1612".
L19Cataphract22P 2 years ago 7
Co to za muzyka ?? film Swietnie zrobiony :) 5
Tom55T 2 years ago
Bogurodzica.
damianjaga 2 years ago
Oj, nie tylko.
Not only.
kpc211 2 years ago
It was a law in Poland in XIV century that only the king could to manage the country. Please look into any historical book about this matter and you can find sentence like that "Jadwiga of Anjou (1373/4 July 17, 1399) was a Monarch of Poland from 1384 to her death. Her official title was 'king' rather than 'queen' "
Czetwertynski 2 years ago
@Czetwertynski yes she was king, not queen, odd but true
MsAppleeater 1 year ago
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Polish language was Poland not OFFICIAL LITHUANIAN language We never speaked Polish . .!. We speaked Lithuanian even you tried to make Lithuania to speak Polish. We have different culture and etc. .!.
xMoNaco 2 years ago
Język urzędowy (w Koronie łacina, później polski, na Litwie do 1699 r. białoruski, a dopiero później polski)
Official language (in Crown latin, later Polish; in Lithuania until 1699 byelorussian, later Polish)
Choć myślę że plebs zawsze mówił po litewsku tak jak u nas w czasie łaciny i innych obcych języków urzędowych.
DragunDragon 2 years ago 5
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Paclaw111 2 years ago
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Once again.. when "great" polaks country was from sea to sea?
juokis 2 years ago
In 1466 when Moldavia was polish vassal. "polaks language is fucked up"??? In XVI,XVII,XVIII,XIX and even XX your ancestors speaked in polish language. On yours ground stayed traces of Polish culture. And dont call Poles "polack".
Paclaw111 2 years ago 8
when lithuania was from sea to sea?
SAMEDI1976 2 years ago
back to the ages when nowdays Belarus and Ukraine was part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania, there was no vassality (like Moldova was to Polish kingdom), it was teritory of GDL
juokis 2 years ago 2
@juokis
Yes, it's true. Grand Duchy of Lithuania had territories from Baltic Sea to Black Sea.
radled 2 years ago
btw, it was from the Baltic sea to the Black sea
juokis 2 years ago 2
type " Poland Borders 990 -2008 " on youtube and you'll see from sea to sea
CairSilverwolf 2 years ago
i think that was 16 - 17 century... google it you will check
lllubieRS 2 years ago
@lllubieRS
No, exactly 1410. It was one battle in the Great War with Teutonic Knights (1409-1411).
radled 2 years ago
True, but i was talking to someone who had question when Poland was from sea to sea.
lllubieRS 2 years ago
no no no, just in PL duke and prince is książe.
ziutek998 2 years ago
Gaude, mater Polonia,
prole fecunda nobili!
matfeez 2 years ago
today it is exactly 599 years ago.
Stratobendix81 2 years ago 2
Braty ja wam tylko powiem ze niedoceniacie roli litwinow w bitwie pod grunwaldem. Mowiono ze oni uciekli a niedawne odkrycia kronikarskie dowodza ze byl to odwrot ktory zaabsorwowal sily krzyzackie. Moze wyskoczylem jak partyzant ,ale chcialem zauwazyc wage dzialan litwinow w tej bitwie z ktorej wszyscy ich wykreslaja.
Tzarssoldier 2 years ago 2
Prawdę mówisz, mało kto wie, ale bitwa ta przerodziła się po pewnym czasie w zbite grupy walczących. Lekka jazda Litwy i Ruska odciągała Krzyżaków, męczyły ostrzałem , dzięki czemu łatwiej było ich pokonać. To jest taktyka, która pokazała geniusz Litwina, rządzącego Polska i Litwą.
Erthion 2 years ago
Napewno odkrycia tego dokonali litewscy historycy.Nie dziwie sie ze odwrot zaabsorbowal uwage niemcow.Nigdy wczesniej nie widzeli tak wielu uciekajacych na raz.Parafrazujac nigdy jeszcze w historii tak wielu nie uciekalo przed tak nie wieloma.
SAMEDI1976 2 years ago
Слава Предкам!
rusdremuchiy 2 years ago
Gdy inne państwa są obronne wodą, mają porty warowne, góry niedostępne, my nic... Owe zewsząd do Polaków pola i grogi nieprzyjacielowi wyborne, przestrzenne; postąpi, ustąpi, wejdzie, wynijdzie: żywności, jeńców nabierze, gdzie chce i jako chce. W samych rękach naszych, piersiach i gardłach naszych munitia nasza to nasze góry, to nasze wody, to zamki, mury i wały Polski.
Piotr Grabowski: O pięciu rzeczach Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej należących, 1595
marekkam1 2 years ago
nice to find out ,that Czechs were helping too .
on Polish - Lithuanian side
well our kings was Jagellons hundred years later.
napajedlacek 2 years ago 5
you are right- there was 3 brave Czechs squads of elite infantry:)
radekpatlewicz 2 years ago
We Czechs had a polish kings - Jagelonci ...for over hundred years after hussite wars ..and Czechs were helping ..Poles ..
napajedlacek 2 years ago 3
This werent polish kings- Jagiellon dynasty come from Lithuania. Doesnt metter.. Important is that you really helped us. Sad that we werent in alliance in 1939. Poland and Czechs could stop german barbarians once more like under Grunwald...
radekpatlewicz 2 years ago 5
Long life to Poland and Lithuania- two greatest nations in history!!!
radekpatlewicz 2 years ago 20
Lithuania.. STFU! Spit out this word, our brother betrayed. They left us at WW2 and even, whats worst, THEY HELP HITLER. There is no more PL-LT brotherhood.
ziutek998 2 years ago
never was...
Latvis19 2 years ago
ziutek998.Lithuania left that brotherhood of poland aggression to Vilnius and land around it, that territory had never belonged to poland. If poland was so good,so why they attacked?
morduzas 2 years ago 2
and grammar. Although non-Polish administrations in Poland sometimes attempted, historically, to suppress the Polish language, a rich literature has nonetheless developed over the centuries, and many works by Polish authors are available in translations in English and other languages.
SpellHowlerAidas 2 years ago
Polish (język polski, polszczyzna), an official language of Poland, has the largest number of speakers of any West Slavic language and, as for all the Slavic languages, its popularity is second only to Russian.[4] Polish-speakers use the language in a uniform manner through most of Poland, and it has a Latin-based orthography. The language developed indigenously and retains many ancient Slavic features of pronunciation
SpellHowlerAidas 2 years ago
and about ur inviting teutonic order to duchy lands :D yh thats for the freash meat coz they failed masivly.... exept we hate u mostly coz it was ur foult of inviting them , then they massacre our 3rd tribal bloodlines brother sister Prusa [prussia renamed by germans] Thanks Alot :D Outof 3 brothers/sisters left only 2 Lietuva/Latvia .. oh yeah go to wikipedia or something read about IndoEuropean [its our language] not polish not russia u fags.. :D
SpellHowlerAidas 2 years ago
Hey fag, did you know that polish and russian are indoeuropean languages too? Go to wikipedia or something and read it, duh.
czornyk 2 years ago
yo fag read this :D
SpellHowlerAidas 2 years ago
know a shit about other nation history and the Liublin Unijons Rules And its Purpose.. Liublin Unijon had same Rules as EU/UN/NATO has now..thats why historians says it was unique!!!!! Good Day and Screw u Hippies! :D
SpellHowlerAidas 2 years ago
chirstian holidays or customs is 95% pagan...90% of ltu populiations reject chirstianity.. 5% r polish or other minoritys...5% old ppl after ww2 survivors who still believes in jesus coz they think he saved them .... Btw Hitler said : Blame Polad for the Jews in Europe, Warsaw is Jew capital in europe. Not that im supporting his words..just rewriting them here...Proud that 26Batallions of LTU joined Wermacht to fight Komunists [not proud of Nazi genocide].. so stop trowing trashwords if u dont
SpellHowlerAidas 2 years ago
Lituanian soldiers from Lietuvos Vietine Rinktine during WW2 fightt not with komiunist. They fight with Polish AK and they were defeated 13 and 14.05.1944 by Polish 3, 8, 9, 12 and 13 AK Brigades.Lituanian brave soldiers were sent baack to Jaszun, Wilno and Oszmiany
only in underclothes :)
Borpiast 2 years ago
Vietine rinktine means Lockal Volunteers not regular army udouche..btw who fcked up 100 000 ur regular army soldires to fuck u back from vilnius....
SpellHowlerAidas 2 years ago
I do not know who ? I do not remember Lituanian soldier detached Wilno from Poland or polish soldiers.
I think that You do not have to be vulgar.
From other side In Wilno in 1916 live 2,6% Lithuanians and 50,2% Poles ( list of population made by Germans ) In 1931 0,8% Lithuanians and 65,9% Poles.
I think there are no reason to treate Wilno as only Lithuanian city. It is city of many nations.
Borpiast 2 years ago
Vilnius - international Lithuanians city :))) There are many Jews, many Russians, many Belorussians, many Ukrainians and also Lithuanians. Also there are many niggers, Asians and etc. Every nation is welcome in this beautiful city!
LTUcronus 2 years ago 3
I know that mane nations live in Wilno now , also about 100 000 Poles ( it is about 20% of citizens ) I know that it is beauttifull city :)
Borpiast 2 years ago
Newest statistics says, that there lives 17% of poles and this number is declining very hard, because of emigration and negative Poles increase. Especially this number is declining in Vilnius district.
LTUcronus 2 years ago
Meybe You are right , meybe it is emigration , so meybe not all nations are welcome in this beautiful city :)
Borpiast 2 years ago
Everyone is welcome, but well Poles want to live like millionaires so they emigrate to GB ^^ Good luck to them ^^
LTUcronus 2 years ago
meybe You are right :)
Borpiast 2 years ago
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its not WIlno...its VIlnius butpipe..and 50.2% of poles was coz u bitches taked over..until we got it back..so screw u poles we hate u all....everyone hates poles especialy in UK...coz ur douchebags..
SpellHowlerAidas 2 years ago
SpellHowlerAidas - You are agrsive and primitive. Your lunguage testify about Your culture. I think it is Your big problem.
Borpiast 2 years ago
lol, maybe you should take your pills, I really pity you. You clearly have some mental problems, such hate :D
czornyk 2 years ago
;D so what that there was 50% of poles sometime just picouse you have it ocupied LOL, but Wilno was build by all ages by lithuanians and it is etnografic place of lithuanians I dont know ehat they teaches you in poland shools , but youre opinion makes me angry just picouse you have ocupied vilniu for a short time doesnt mean its youres !!!! so fuck this opinion it's the same as I will say that part of Ireland is lithuanians picouse there is a lot of them living there ^^
cyberic853 2 years ago
Please try think without notice .
I wrote city of many nations not polish city.
After WW I Wilno was Polish now is Lithuanians.
In long history Wilno was also Lithuanian and Polish becouse Lithuanians in meaning nation as people talking in lithuanian lunguage was rather peasant and they can not hae big influence for developing Wilno. Almost all nobilitis or officials, and big part of townspeople were Poles or polonized Lithuanians or Russians. They talk Polish or Russian lunguage.
Borpiast 2 years ago 2
yeas there was many polish nobilitys but all lithuanian kings were living there, city was started by lithuanians and was always(except short period after ww1) runned by lithuanians and it was ALWAYS territory of lithuania , its just we accepted all emigrants , there was also so many jews they called wilno a litle jerusaleum
and there was many russians picouse at medyval ages lithuanians were rulling alot of russian lands up to black see
cyberic853 2 years ago 2
I agree that Lithuanian Kings were living in Wilno but from 1447 - 1569 polish kings were also king of Lithuania.
From 1569 to 1795 Lithuania Duchy is part of Polish Pepublic with capital in Warsaw and polish king is also king of Grat Duchy. King of Poland was elected by nobilities from Poland and Lithuania.
I think that there are many reason we may be proud becouse of union of our nations .
Borpiast 2 years ago 5
wrong
lithuania has never kings, they were never kingdom
there were only grand duke of lithuania
slavuBOG 2 years ago
lithuania were kingdom in XIII century...asshole
Latvis19 2 years ago
do not offence me but please write, who was first king of LTV, when hew gained crow nad HOW, or those questions are too hard yor you.
slavuBOG 2 years ago
First king was Mindaugas...He gained crown in 1253 and was assassinated in 1263...Lithuania- Poland had many Kings...
Latvis19 2 years ago
LT+PL? LOL? PL+LT. It was your PRINCE which married our QUEEN and he begin KING OF POLAND. It was PL+LT not LT+PL, if he will be a king then will be LT+PL but he wasn't so don't change facts!
ziutek998 2 years ago 3
Lithuania never had prince...
Latvis19 2 years ago
You idiot, guy who marry our queen was a prince (DUKE)
ziutek998 2 years ago
only idiot here is you...prince and duke is two diferent things
Latvis19 2 years ago
ROLF, it means the same. Just in English is fucked up
ziutek998 2 years ago
we are not English in Lithuania were only one King many Dukes and grand Dukes...i never heard that sombody Duke called Prince...perhaps Duke means prince for you but for me Duke is Duke...peace...lets stop commenting :)
Latvis19 2 years ago
Yeah, just in PL duke and prince is the same word and sometimes I forget about it :D
ziutek998 2 years ago
@ziutek998 just say you were not right, it's not f... up
MsAppleeater 1 year ago
Jadwiga was the KING, not a queen. Please check on books or on wikipedia.
Czetwertynski 2 years ago
First one and last one.
SAMEDI1976 2 years ago
Borpiast, in Lithuaninan_Polish commonweatlh Lithuania wasn't part fo Polish Republic. First becouse Polish republic didn't exist - it was Kingdom. Second - it was union of two indpendent states. So Lithuania wasn't parto of Poland. Claiming that is the same if I say that Poland was part of Lithuania. Thank you.
gegrenas 1 year ago 10
@gegrenas lithuania was nothing without us, just a bunch of savage pagan beasts, you would have been defeated without us, have some honour and admit it....
KatolickieScierwo 1 year ago
@KatolickieScierwo
ow realy... and your king was lithuanian too...
pasiputez 1 year ago
@pasiputez With the passing of time he was getting more and more Polish..
KatolickieScierwo 1 year ago
@KatolickieScierwo ohhh what a argument, how deep
MsAppleeater 1 year ago
@KatolickieScierwo the same way about Poland, have some honor and admit it
MsAppleeater 1 year ago
@gegren
Poland and Lithuania became one country. Lithuania was not part of Poland, or Poland part of Lithuania. It was a commonwealth of two Nations !! very successful one I may add..... cheers !as
arka67 1 year ago 2
@arka67 successful for Lithuania, but slightly less for Poland in the end ;) Mostly because of the wars with Sweden. Oh well ;)
Anyways, Republic of Nations had a single elective king, and it was *sort of* democratic (only nobles had a vote). Also insanely powerful before it has fallen. That is the risk of the democracy - electors might prove wrong... and it went wrong ;)
lordplenty 1 year ago
@lordplenty
Wars with Sweden would happen anyway !
Commonwealth was very successful for Poland, because we managed to survive 1000 years beside Germany, who managed to assimilate almost all westerns Slavic tribes, Germany swallowed Silesians, Pomeranians, Sorbs or Plebians.. who are all part of Lechickie Slavic Tribes (Polish). in 1900 Poznan was 65% German, in 1944 Warsaw was gone. I do not believe in historical accidents.
arka67 1 year ago
@arka67
The Commonwealth (Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów) lasted only fraction of the millennium you are talking about. During its time, it was (for a while) THE MOST powerful (on all grounds, economical, military, educational...) country in Europe.
Sweden flood might not have happened, if not king elector fighting to regain his crown in Sweden ;P But it is a speculation, what's done, is done.
lordplenty 3 months ago
@gegrenas
Stop quoting mistranslated info from en wiki. It was not a commonwealth, but "Abiejų tautų respublika", or "Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów" = *Republic* of both nations, made of Kingdom of Poland and Principality of Lithuania combined, with nobles democracy and *ONE* elective king (so, *not* 2 independent nations), covering territories of at least another 5 todays countries (990 000 km²).
Also, polish had 5x higher tax income and twice the population of the Principality of Lithuania.
lordplenty 1 year ago
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@gegrenas
Stop quoting mistranslated info from en wiki. It was not a commonwealth, but "Abiejų tautų respublika", or "Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów" = *Republic* of both nations, made of Kingdom of Poland and Principality of Lithuania combined, with nobles democracy and *ONE* elective king (so, *not* 2 independent nations), covering territories of at least another 5 todays countries (990 000 km²).
Also, polish had 5x higher tax income and twice the population of the Principality of Lithuania
lordplenty 1 year ago
@gegrenas
Well, Polish-Lithuanian Union pretty much always existed, however from 1569 I would say that NEITHER Poland or Lithuania existed, so Poland wasn't part of Lithuania, or Lithuania part of Poland.
Poland was the part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
Lithuania was the part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
It's a shame we gave that much freedom to the nobility. Instead of constitution we should just make absolute monarchy and 1 strong leader, keeping everything organized.
RuchPolskichKielbas 1 year ago
@gegrenas of corse, Lithuania was never part of Poland, because there were two states in the Union, the Crown and The Grand Duchy, but after 1569 (Union of Lublin) there was just one state The Commonwealth of Both Nations, and by the law that was one country . It was not Poland, it was not Lithuania, it was Both :) and It was a kind of Republic, some people call it The Old Republic, cause The King was chosen by free elections, not free for everyone, just nobles, but still kind of free.
rosassin 1 year ago