Can We Adapt Our Way Through Climate Change? - Sander van der Leeuw

[rafaelrosad2387]

Nice vid..keep up the good work...

[goog2k]

Dissolved CO2 makes acid.

By 2100, at current rates of increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide, average ocean pH will drop 0.3 - 0.4 and be @ 7.8 with an increase in acidic H+ ion concentration of 150-200%.

That will cause a 50% DECREASE of ocean carbonate ions (CO3).

Carbonate ions are needed for growth by plankton & corals at the base of the ocean's food chain.

Oops!!!

For info. on CO2 ocean acidification check:

Dr. Richard Feely, NOAA

Ocean Acidification Part 1 of 3

/watch?v=0KgRpJxWQDw&NR=1

[tuttt99]

Must tax carbon now! Must have World government now! Must worship AlGore now! LALALALALALALALALALA!!!!!!!!!!­!!!

[Turfan369]

China has completely blocked after an eyewitness account of the crucial back-room negotiations at the Copenhagen Climate Summit -

[stengevarsel]

My main concern is that essential science and technology will be lost. We are on the virge of understanding the human body almost completely, barely able to grasp its most complex functions and manipulate them, and then boom, a societal breakdown.

[deathByStupid]

er? its the low/middle income/gdp countries that will suffer most, last i checked all those break through finding are restricted to a few places, like US, Canada and a few rich countries in Europe. Somehow i dont think we will be heading back to the caves just yet.

What scenario do you forsee where we could lose essential science and technology? You aint making sense.

[stengevarsel]

Never mind, I just watched the documentary Collapse, and got carried away. Anyways, cavedwelling would be nice.

[blackiron60]

The 21st Century will be a time of change whether we like it or not. The challenge is how to make things better in light of the realities we face. Humanity has always faced this challenge, sometimes we succeeded, other times not. Just as the slave-driven economy of Rome shifted into the Feudal economy of the Middle Ages then on into industrial capitalism - where we are at now is the transition point between capitalism and socialism. All this happened out of necessity. So let's make it work.

[deathByStupid]

Considering there are far more capitalistic democracies and dictatorships then there are socialist countries i have no idea what transition you are talking about.

If you look at the biggest power house of socialism china, it has embraced capitalism.

If you look at this break down 20 years ago all of eastern europe has thrown out socialism. Where exactly is this shift happening?

[totaldreck]

It would be more accurate to say that the most successful states are now a blend of socialism and capitalism (e.g. Norway). The states that embraced full socialism were also plagued by extreme poverty. Curiously you ignore countries like Venezuela in your analysis - probably because it doesn't fit your simplistic view.

As for China, it is the worst of both worlds now - low individual freedom AND unfettered capitalism. They're not socialists, they're fascists.

[deathByStupid]

Sorry totaldreck i didn't mean to discount some of South America but because there has been strong leftist sentiment amongst south americans for sometime, i do not really consider this to be a shift of any sort. Venezulas changes can be gauges for a few more years.

You say that China is the worst of both worlds now but that is completely the opposite of what is true. Living conditions in china have improved dramatically for most citizens since embracing capitalism. Is it perfect? No.

[totaldreck]

Further, looking at the actual history of your capitalistic democracies, there is a steady history of more and more regulation as business has demonstrated time and again (Triangle Factory Fire, Love Canal, Enron, and the recent housing bubble) that it cannot or will not regulate itself properly. Some regulation is necessary for a stable and prosperous society.

[deathByStupid]

Regulation is just a form of safety barriers and laws to prevent exploitation of a system that allows billions of dollars to change hands in seconds.

Regulation does not equal socialism.

State subsidy of private firms is more akin to socialism then regulation, if companies where not bailed and bankrupted then this would be the correct form of capitalism.

[blackiron60]

We've been living in capitalism and there's growing sentiment that it's just not working. I'm not talking about government leaders and elites here, they're always the last to see the need for change anyway. But there is a growing recognition among the people that we can't go on like this and that's where the change begins and it's happened before. Public engagement, popular empowerment, a public economy, public planning etc. is the only way forward in a world of finite resources.

[deathByStupid]

Al gore would tell you the sun provides enough energy to sustain the entire human population. So what finite resources?

There are few who have lived under socialism who share your perspective.

You sound like a romantic uni student with a baret.

The public have rejected socialism, it is the number one cause of misery in the last century. Multiple mass starvations, mass executions, mass detention of dissidents. Only someone who hasn't experienced it would like it.

[CBlargh]

The sun provides enough energy to sustain our needs now, but populations need more than energy to survive. The more limiting factor is usually water.

With exponential population growth, the supplies of fresh water available to humankind can easily be outrun, and in many parts of the world this has already happened.

[deathByStupid]

Predicted growth for earth is 3 billion in next 150 year. We will not run out of water in our life time. You can sleep soundly.

[CBlargh]

Define "we".

We in America may not run out of water in our lifetime, but many in the third world already have. The starvation which has resulted breeds desperation which breeds violence which breeds terrorists... which affects us! This will only get worse as their populations grow.

Do you really think the Somali pirates are primarily motivated by magic? They are primarily motivated by desperation! Magic is just their excuse for breaking the universal moral code against stealing.

[deathByStupid]

1) The third world does struggle with fresh water but this is because they dont have the same ability to capture and store water that you do in the US. Think lake mead taking water to vegas.

2) Millions of African suffer from water shortages. Yet most pirates come from one region of one country. Anarchy and vast weopans caches as a result of an ongoing 20 year civil war are probably the cause and not "water shortages".

Their original motives were survival, now their motive is success.

[CBlargh]

An Aussie not worried about water shortages!!!

I love it. Do you actually turn on the news about your country? You live in one of the driest places on earth, and the only reason you can continue your standard of life is the huge amounts of mineral wealth deposited there.

As you build de-salination plants to combat drought caused by global warming, you pay for them and fuel them with more and more coal which increases global warming which increases your problem...

Completely unsustainable.

[deathByStupid]

It is the driest country on earth.I agree continued population growth in Australia probably is unsustainable. Whats your point.

Africa has lots of freshwater, and regular flooding, the problem they have is lack of water storage and water piping. ie. development.

They suffer 100 times more then Australians do when there is a water shortage, despite the fact that most places have higher annual rainfall.

So explain to me how socialism stops water shortages?

[CBlargh]

Uh, I think you were the one saying socialism stops water shortages, weren't you?

Didn't you just say Africa needs development?

Where are they going to get that development if not from the developed world? Isn't that Rich Countries giving aid to Poor Countries?

This sounds like socialism to me.

[CBlargh]

All wars are caused by competition over resources. The civil unrest in most of Africa is caused by skirmishes over mineral wealth or water. These resources are finite, as is the amount of energy that the sun sends to our planet.

[dannywizz]

"All wars are caused by competition over resources".

This is a wrongful statement. More correct would be: All wars are caused by a clash off wills.

You have the trinity: political, army and the people.

Some wars are cause by competition over resources but most are not.

[CBlargh]

Tror du det?

Name for me one conflict that couldn't be attributed to a struggle over resources.

Or better, name for me one conflict for which the stated reason was the same as the actual reason.

Manifest destiny was a land grab, but Americans attributed it to divine will, the crusades were over spice routes, but the crusaders said it was a holy war... I'll bet even the Vikings had some mystical excuse for their pillaging. Thor made me do it, perhaps? I'll bet you know the excuse...

[CBlargh]

Humankind has already outstripped the ability of the earth to sustain it for any prolonged period of time. In a few thousand years, the carbon blanket currently around the earth will heat our environment to the point where we can only grow crops near the poles. It's a done deal, and any extra carbon we add to the atmosphere only makes our problem more difficult to fix.

[CBlargh]

The issue in Australia is not native population growth, but immigration and pollution of the atmosphere. You have hordes of desperate humans all around you risking their lives on rubber dinghies to get into your country because their places of origin cannot support them, and the coal you sell to the Asian death machine causes the flooding and desertification that drives their movement in the first place.

I don't think socialism is the answer to this problem.

[blackiron60]

And capitalism has done all that and more, do you really believe everything the mainstream media tells you little man? Is Al Gore gospel truth all of a sudden? And what public are you speaking of? There are hundreds of "publics" in this world and they certainly wouldn't all agree with you. Not that they often have much choice in the matter. Have you gone and interviewed everyone who has ever lived under socialism? I didn't think so. And you spelled "beret" wrong.

[deathByStupid]

What does the mainstream media tell me, i have seen it for myself.

The sun does irradiate the planet with far more energy then we use, his mention was simply tongue in cheek.

Ask yourself this genius?

How many people have escaped to a socialist country from a capitalist country?How many people have emigrated to a socialist country from a capitalist country?

How many people have been killed escaping a capitalist country to goto a socialist country?

If its so good, why are we goin?

[mynameisbobtoo]

@deathByStupid You used all the rules of grammar. You spell the words correctly as defined in the dictionary. You pay your taxes. I bet you even stop at red lights. You are polite to people. You live in a secure country protected by a volunteer Military force. You went to school You drive on interstates and pay tolls You can call an EMT if you are hurt and you must be treated in an Emergency room no matter if you are insured or not. You pay taxes on goods and services You are a Socialist.

[deathByStupid]

Yes i don't live in a cave and fling faeces at people who walk into my territory, so i must be a socialist.

Governments existence and it functions do not automatically make a country socialist.

PS. I dont spell words correctly. See above "beret"

[stengevarsel]

Last time I checked, I live in a socialist country. No starvations, very low unemployment rate, low crime, Highest GDP PPP on earth, world class quality of life, only superficially struck by the financial crisis, etc, etc, etc. I think you were referring to marxist-leninism.

[stengevarsel]

I thought you didn't have the guts to go face to face with a Norwegian. Few Anarchists do.

Process all your doubts in your mind, then do some googling. Credits for hidden points. Good luck.

[deathByStupid]

Well if you have the highest GDP PPP in the world then you live in Qatar. In which case you live in a absolute monarchy, not a socialist country.

Anyway the initial discussion circles around the failures of capitalism and how socialism must fix these failures. This is a false premise as capitalism isnt failing.

Norway is a capitalist country, so while they have some aspect of socialism, there is no failure of capitalism that needs to be fixed.

[stengevarsel]

Sorry I'm late, at least I'm back. Let's stick to the western world for now shall we?

Claiming that Norway is a capitalist country is false, as it has more features from the traditional interpretation of socialism, than from capitalism. If you want to call that capitalism, go right ahead.

Any given system can only be measured by its success rate. My point was that Norway has the highest success rate.

[deathByStupid]

This is an argument that is quite difficult for me to win. As you have hands on knowledge. But i will give it a shot.

If you look up the classic definition of "Welfare State", Norway matches the definition perfectly. The Socialist demand of production to be publically owned is not met. Instead there is a healthy mix of private ownership + free market principles with generous government intervention.

Mind you, any system fueled by resource money might not work so well without.

[stengevarsel]

You are right. Over the last 20-25 years, Norway has intentionally drifted towards a more mixed economy, giving up on monopolies such as energy, milk production, telephone services, Television etc.

But the government still largely owns and controls the petroleum sector, electric power production,aluminum production and telecommunication; all in all over 30% of shares on the Oslo stock exchange.

[stengevarsel]

The system is fueled by resource money, that is also true. That's why 96% of all resource(oil) revenue goes straight to a pension fund. This fund now owns over 1% of all the shares in the world. It's like the Kuwait or Dubai you never heard of, except we still live middle class lives while putting all the money in the bank.

[cristop5]

I think with the right amount of money the Heartland Institute, the Competitive Enterprise Institute or any of those so called "think tanks" could come up with a positive spin on the devolution of society.

[seanbedlam]

You are WRONG! Remember that, it'll come in handy.

[michaelispan]

It is what it Is....

[1RadicalOne]

What a load of crap.

[DeletedDelusion]

I don't know, I'd rather avoid the collapse of civilization as we know it today, and with collateral damage he probably means millions of dead people and immense suffering on a global scale...

Could we please change our practices even if it means less convenience?

[CRAPCANNONS]

"Organized Crime in Charge of EU Carbon Trade, Europol Says"

- EUXTV

[1RadicalOne]

Yes and no. While you can adapt to maintain some level of civilization, there WILL be major losses unless you change your practices.