For all the Catholics making comments on how Luther became anti-Semitic in his later years, let us not forgot the Spanish Inquisition, sanctioned by the Church itself. The ideas of Martin Luther when he had become a senile old man, which were never acted upon, hardly compare to the Inquisition.
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As far as Luther being anti-semetic, I concur that there is some evidence. However, Luther was a man of both his time and his environment and considering the prevelence of such things in both areas, this sinfullness in his life hardly negates every other witness he had "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God"; he was wrong in this area because he was a fallible man, he did not represent himself as anything else, "God's grace is sufficient" even for this bigotry I am sure.
Luther was not the first to address the corruption in the Western Catholic Church he was the first to succeed without being silenced. In part due to the weakening of the Church with the renissance and the enlightenment (John Wycliffe burned - Luther lived). Rome had become entagled with secular governments and Church leadership was hopelessly corrupted by power (FALLIBLE humans intrusted with the gosepl living in sin). The sin of pride in Catholic leadership caused this uneccesary schism.
@28804ecorrell That is what the corrupt Catholic Church labeled him. A judge could falsely label you a sex offender. By your reason, innocent or not the law say's you're a sex offender, "it's a fact, not an opinion weather you like it or not."
@28804ecorrell Facts are usually backed by empirical data...there is an entire Eastern Catholic Church (Eastern Orthodox) that feels the exact same way about Roman Catholics and the Pope and they can show their lineage to the begginning. Either everybody is a herectic by proclomation (depending on who the human authority is) or more grace needs to be given in throwing around the "heretic" label in every minor in-house dispute that rubs a person in power the wrong way.
@fundie2008 he didnt try to reform the catholic church he was trying to take them down so luther tried to form his own he made christianity the religion and he and the roman catholics seperated so they were their own people
Martin luther proved the roman catholics wrong and he started his own so he ha many followers so he didnt burn any of the jews since he is christian and god says that the jews are his chosen people so luther couldnt do that
@soterioss8787 I believe the Pope is a man and nothing else. Luther had troubles but salvation through faith alone is not one of them. I believe it because it is what the bible says.
@southparkfan2717 Very well said, Luther no doubt had some issues - yet he never claimed to be infallible, he stood on the word of God and its promises and left the rest with the grace of God.... much like St. Ignatious, St. Iraneus, St. Polycarp, St. Origin and others before him. He wasn't perfect, but perhaps St. Luther might be appropriate considering his contribution to reforming the Church and standing against godless corruption.
@soterioss8787 ...you should ask yourself the very same questions about the popes and priests in the RCC. Their dogma has changed over the centuries and they commend and allow you to worship statues, live by traditions instead of the word of God, and flock to worship the sun and demons in the form of a female apparition among other evil and ungodly practices. Does this concern you at all?
@soterioss8787 We do place our essence of Christianity on the shoulders of one man but it is not Martin Luther. It's that other guy, what's his name? Oh yeah, Jesus Christ.
This is the single biggest misconception among Catholics, that Martin Luther was the soul person behind the Reformation. Not true. People had been questioning corruption in the church for hundreds of years. Luther was just the one who came up to bat when the time was write.
BUT MY CUESTION IS THEY GO APRT OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, AND NOW THEY ARE LUTHERANS AND OTHER KIND OF PROTESTANTS, NOW A DAYS IF U DON'T WANT TO BE CATHOLIC YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATE, SO WHY THEY DON'T LEAVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ALONE?
If you are all Christians, no matter your denomination, you ought to believe the words Jesus spoke. With all this arguing, you are all doing the opposite of 'Love one another, as I have loved you."
Luther made one of the biggest mistakes in history, trying to reform Catholic Church instead of remove all the false teaching. Restorationism, not Reformation. Now protestants share some believes with the biggest sect in the world, the Catholic Church.
@fundie2008 That's exactly what Luther tried to do. He never wanted to break apart from the Catholic Church. They kicked him out. His only intention was to remove all the false teaching. However, the Church would not listen and labeled him a heretic, but Luther had already gathered all the support he needed. Really, the Catholic Church made one of the biggest mistakes in history by excommunicating Luther.
@PastorSchmidt I would like to point you to one of Luther's books: On the Jews and Their Lies. Do some research about what this 'hero' had to say. Look it up on wikipedia. He is a godforsaken monster of a man. Luther was an evil man with avaricious ambitions and false doctrines.
@PastorSchmidt I was originally baptized Lutheran, then I became Catholic where I didn't understand a thing that was going on or what they were saying. More important I wasn't getting out there doing anything for anybody. In 5th grade I was moved back to my Lutheran Church, and I'm now 20 and have been a missionary 4 times now, to Juarez, Sparks Texas (which looks like Juarez), and last summer the Lower 9th Ward. If it hadn't been for Luther I'd still be at Mass scratching my head.
@fundie2008 With all due respect, removing all the false teachings of the Church and Pope, clearly required the reformation. The reformation was sparked by the nailing of the 95 theses but what what really started it was the Catholic Church's inability to let go of power and intolerance of any word that was not sanctioned by the pope. You can't reform a Church that puts man into the position of God. It would be foolishness on your part to try; Luther recognized this and took necessary action.
You make it sound like if he was wrong about usury and other jewish misdeeds he talked about. You have this picture of jews as somekind of a saintly group who has never commited an evil deed during their entire history. I mean come on! Get real!
@leaf732 Was he really? In all my studies I've never realized that...He was definitely an advocate of tolerance for other religious faiths....but...lol...idk, that's interesting though. :)
Who is the heretic? The one who stands upon the word of God and refuses to recant? Or one who continues to regularly attend a blasphemous mass which declares the INSUFFICIENCY of Christs propitiatory sacrifice on the cross which was ONCE for all that is at the very heart of the Christian faith! You trample Christ underfoot and insult the Spirit of grace! You are an unreprentant, proud blasphemer and an apostate, an enemy of Christ as is Rome.
Today, there exists no more moral, more powerful, more able force than Lutheranism.
What is our aim? We will take on the challenges humanity is confronted with today; hedonic Papism, Islamofascism, Marxism and every other such teaching that does not acknowledge the idea of human dignity.
Lutheran Scandinavian forces will one day conquer all of Afghanistan.
Once, Vikings were heathens. Today, we're not - but have begun waging war anew.
It's easy. The Jews had to be out of the equation so that these gentlemen "protest". Human bigotry at its finest. :P WELL FUCK THAT SHIT. ALL IS FOR THE MONEY.
Yo Martin Luther, I Im really happy for you, ima let you finish but Calvin was one of the best Reformers of all time, one of the best Reformers of all time.
i'm pretty sure the Ex-Father Martin Luther new the catholic church better then most people taking shots at him on here... even in colleges and high schools that only have secular history classes teach that Luther was a liberator of the the corrupt catholic church of the 1500's.
@wallywallz His intention at first was a good one, but soon in pride he started an entire new Church, with heretical theology and an invalid priesthood, ie invalid apostolic succession. The 'Secular' schools you are talking about are located in the modern day reformation countries, England and Germany, for example.
@southparkfan2717 I have no idea what you are trying to point out. The Lutherans do not have a valid priesthood, they severed their apostolic succession when they started their own new version of Christianity.
the ancient languages didn't have complex structured sentences like we do now days. even with all or our different words many sentences can be taken of context.. my girlfriend told me her grandmother whipped her because of a miscommunitcation.. her grandma was having a bad day and told her i wish i would have just stayed home. my girlfriend said me too mean my girlfriend wish my girlfriend would have stayed home. thinking she ment she wished her grandma to stay home my girlfriend was whipped
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9). Also where does Jesus Christ speak of killing the wicked is okay? I thought Jesus said turn the other cheek. Before Christ died people had to sacrifice their crops and lambs to God so maybe eye for an eye worked then. A lot of the Words from the languages spoken in Jesus' time could stand for more then one word. they weren't
@wallywallz "You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only" (James 2:24) - the only place in the entire Bible in which the words faith + alone are put together. Paul's writings are unclear and nobody knows what the hell he was talking about ("His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction" (2 Peter 3:16) (explains Protestantism perfectly)). Pwned.
@TheOldBeef Respectfully, you are incorrect. Paul is not difficult to understand at all. He clearly says in Ephesians 2:8-10 that after one is justified by faith, GOD will produce good works in and through him. Those are the only good works He honors because they come from His indwelling Spirit. A Christian does good works, but not works dictated by man -- works produced by God's Spirit.
@danieltwelve3 The Bible says Paul is hard to understand, you lunatic! If you think everything he wrote is easy to understand then you are disagreeing with the Bible itself, not just me. But James is easy to understand, and he clearly states in James 2:24 that works justify. It doesn't say that "works dictated by man" justify, but it does say that works justify, indicating that some type of works justify.
@danieltwelve3 So, naturally, in order to harmonize the passage in James with the passage in Ephesians, only the works produced by God's spirit justify. Faith, which comes from God, and works, which also come from God, both justify, and since they both come from God, no one can boast. Paul is neglecting a certain type of works, and James is affirming that a different type of works do indeed justify, and that without them, faith is DEAD. Respectfully, YOU are incorrect.
Martin Luther is what you'd call a TRUE reformer. Not ML King Jr, not Gandhi, not Susan B Anthony. Martin Luther changed all of history. MLK Jr, Gandhi, Susan B Anthony etc only left a speck on the timeline. Don't get me wrong, they did great things, but I believe Martin Luther did MUCH more to the world than those others.
Protestantism is really a product of luck. Had Saxony not provided Luther with asylum the movement would surely have been stamped out. And Henry VIII inability to sire an heir led to the legitimacy of Protestantism.
@cenacattakproduction Yes but Religion does, and its power in shaping the world in which we live in cannot be denied. This is why people debate the issues, the existence or non-existence of God/Allah/Yahweh whatever name you want to put on "it" is moot.
Of course a Lutheran propoganda film on youtube will be full of militant lutherans attacking the Church. If you actually open a book and research the reformation from a neutral point of view, you find that it was only really certain individuals in the Church that were corrupt. The Council of Trent fixed that.
@assasincomedy "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9).
"Judea Declares War On Germany! Jews of all the World Unite!"
- London Daily Express Headline, March 24, 1933
"Hitler will have no war but we will force it on him, not this year, but soon"
- Emil Ludwig Cohn Les Annales, June, 1934 "The New Holy Alliance"
"We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany."
- David A. Brown, National Chairman, United Jewish Campaign, 1934 (quote "I Testify Against The Jews" by Robert Edward Edmondson, pg 188 "The Jewish War of Survival" by Arnold Leese, pg 52
One really does wonder at the intellectual level of some RCs, when you see them use a book Luther wrote over 20 years after Worms, to try to argue that he was wrong at Worms.
Furthermore: Luther was a child of his time, and anti-semitism had been rampant in Europe for centuries, sanctioned by the RC church. To blame Luther for anti-semitism is revisionism at its worst.
'MARTIN LUTHER YIELDED TO THE INFLUENCE OF HIS JEWISH FRIENDS UNKNOWINGLY, AND AGAIN, BY JEWISH AUTHORITY, AND WITH JEWISH FINANCE, HIS PLOT AGAINST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH MET WITH SUCCESS.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY HE DISCOVERED THE DECEPTION, AND BECAME A THREAT TO US, SO WE DISPOSED OF HIM AS WE HAVE SO MANY OTHERS WHO DARE TO OPPOSE US'
(Jewish B'nai B'rith Convention in Paris, published in the London Gazette, February, 1936; Paris Le Reveil du Peuple
@JesusFreakDK Luther had the audacity to challenge the church on its other misgivings but not on its mistreatment of Jews? Treating a human as less than is appalling no matter what the circumstance. How about the founders of the KKK or the leaders of Neo-Nazism? Are they merely children of their times and circumstances? Even if that is the case they still need to be held accountable for their actions and Luther's legacy should reflect his fierce antisemitism.
@nljensen Luther reflected common catholic teaching in his time that placed an emphasis on the guilt of the Jews in Christ's crucifiction. I have yet to hear evidence of actual acts of persecution or torture being conducted by Luther against Jews (the whole KKK/Nazi comparison doesn't exactly line up). He reflected in some statements the skewed Catholic theology he was taught in the religious education of his day, nothing more, nothing less.
@soldierofchrist2011 Luther advocated setting fire to their synagogues and schools, destroying their houses, taking their religious books, forbidding rabbis to teach under threat of violence or death, forcing them to stay home, and making them slaves. He also said many other atrocious things. I never said he personally physically harmed any Jews. That doesn't matter to me; he was a dick! BTW not every KKK or Neo-nazi member physically harms another person.
@nljensen to say that Martin Luther overall is a jerk I feel is a very generalizing statement. You are correct, towards the end of his life, when he was stricken with illness, he did become quite antisemitic. Was this right? No. However, we must look at all he did, not just the wrong aspects. He changed the Catholic Church for the better and he fought for individual relationships with God, not just through the Pope. Everyone has done good and bad things, Luther is by no means perfect.
@MissKierie99 It sounds as if you're trying to blame the illness for the crap he wrote. From what I've read he wasn't suffering from any sort of dementia so what's your point? That angina causes antisemitism? If someone like Luther was here today spouting the same things from a pulpit about any race, religion, etc, I would call that person a dick. I don't care if he delivers meals on wheels, or helps old ladies cross the street in the meantime. It's still inexcusable.
@nljensen just admit you are a kike dude. Martin Luther learned hebrew so he could study the old testament and eventually came to study the jewish scriptures, what he found there (anti-gentile hate) shocked him. What he said about you kikes was correct.
This film is Protestant propoganda. It's a pity. Every single thing in this film paints the Church in a horrible light, while luther is painted as the liberator of freedom.
@assasincomedy that's what happened lol... it's the truth.. you'd be buying indulgences right now if it wasn't for Luther, you'd also not be able to read the bible he's the one that translated it to mondern day language for all to read
@wallywallz No. It was in one area of Germany that indulgences were sold. That was an abuse and was reformed via the Council of Trent. He would of known nothing about the heirachy of the Catholic Church. He was a friar, not a bishop or prince of the Church. There were several Bibles written in German before Luther wrote his. Stop spewing stereotypical garbage that has no place in real history. Trying to convince people of the 'utterly corrupt medieval Church' just does not work anyway/
@PeiperJ2 Mine's pretty correct. It corresponds with the main online one.
The weird thing is that after reading it, I felt pretty convinced that Jews sucked. Then I got to Part XI and just said What the Fuck to the whole thing.
@PeiperJ2 I checked it out at my local library. My name is on a government list somewhere, but it's amazing how many Protestants praise Martin Luther without ever knowing what he was really all about.
@jesusisonlyway Martin Luther was the driving force behind the German antisemitism that led to the Holocaust. Read his book "On the Jews and Their Lies" if you're such a proud protestant.
@airsoftiscandy Well, minus that LOL. Other then that I admire how he stood up to the Roman Catholic Church, and such, thats what I was talking about.
@danieladventist Martin Luther's book "On the Jews and Their Lies" was a driving force behind the rise of antisemitism in Germany. You know the same Germany that kind of spearheaded the whole holocaust. We really need more Christians like him today.
@mavriksfan11 Ok, if you haven't seen my reply to another fellow who said what you said I will repeat it. I admire the fact that he had the guts to rise up against papal rome and also the fact that he discovered many great doctrines. I am not a Lutheran, but I still do appreciate SOME of the things he did. I have Jewish in my background, I do not appreciate antisemitism, or anything to that effect, but I do not focus on the negative. My glass is half full.
@danieladventist So when you said, "We need more Christians like this today!" You didn't mean it? Because there are lots of Christians like him today, they're called Nazis.
@mavriksfan11 No, I meant that we need more Christians who are willing to stand up for the Truth. I detest the fact that he was a rascist, but I'd rather focus on the positive.
He certainly had a problem in 1543 (I believe...) when he wrote that book. And as a friend of Israel and the Jewish people, I of course has as little regard for that book as everyone else here. But that still does not change the fact that it was written more than two decades after his stand at Worms - which is why it's utterly ridiculous to use the book as a slander against the young Luther who stood up for the truth.
Thank You Jesus for Martin Luther. He was a part of Bible Prophecy that exposed the heretical doctrines of the catholic church, that is not christian, for its doctrines are in opposition to the Pure Word of God. Written by Jews, inspired by GOD,a JEW & salvation is of the Jews NOT the catholic GENTILE church John4:22. God chose 12 Jews commissioned from JE-RU-SA-LEM, Holy City of GOD, & gave them ALL manner of doctrine needed for the salvation of HIS Church UNTIL His return to NEW Jerusalem AMEN
@mavriksfan11 no its not weird, its a dogma that early church bishops with evil agenda's perpetrated and the cc promoted it to seperate themselves from judism. ML was not perfect, neither was Peter, the ELDER 1 Peter 5:1, nor was Paul the apostle to the gentiles Gal 2:6-8. Martin Luther was a regular man that God used to do a mighty GREAT work, the job was accomplished, so what ML did after his great assignment is irrelevant. We all will stand before God and have to deal with our prejudices/sins
@1978dagreat Martin Luther's On the Jews and Their Lies, Part XI is basically a how-to guide for the later Nazi party and their holocaust. I think it's hardly irrelevant that Martin Luther, a man who did God's work on Earth as you claim, also was responsible for the fucking holocaust.
ML had a powerful german radical prince behind his exploits,,he knew well he would not be murdered by the catholics,,his last years would be spent cursing the jews. Now he is burning in hell for his countless unrepentent sins.
May protestantism in all her ungoldly forms fall , be destroyed.
This movie looks very historically inaccurate. It's the old, "Let's make the bad guys look ugly and the good guys look pretty" trick. Martin Luther and his ragtag group of peasants take down the big bad Catholic church in typical Rebel Alliance vs. Empire fashion. The Catholics are impatient, petty, and mean and Martin is calm, humble, and mellow. I'm not a Catholic, but I just can't stand films that take a "good guy-bad guy" stance when talking about historical facts.
@ryanmshepard92 i would agree with you ordinarily but the funny part that when i actually studied this time period, its actually very true. luther did bring light when all the Catholic Church wanted was money. if you watch the rest of the movie you see luther and his own demons they dont just portray him all calm, humble, mellow. and his answer was historically recorded if im not mistaken but feel free to correct me
The WWII holocaust, as well as the treatment of women is directly attributable in no small measure to Luther's vileness. In the end he was no better than that which he challenged.
What Martin did, what all of us needs to do! People can tell you what the Word of God says but Luther read for himself and learn from reading the Bible. 1st John "ye need not that any man teach you" we all have the same anointing to teaches all things.
When the scene of "my conscience is captive to the Word of God" is amazing because he stood for his own faith and what he personally believed.
Best thing is Let not anyone tell you what they believe but rather you find out what YOU believe!
@MrSuperEman Luther didn't let anyone tell him what to believe, and as a result, he started a wave of antisemitism in Germany that culminated in the Holocaust years later...awkward.
@mavriksfan11 If you want to blame anybody blame the jesuits, they are known for having incited most of the anti-semitic rage throughout the centuries and were even kicked out of France for instigating the "Dreyfus Affair" which sparked anti-jewish sentiment throughout Europe. The whole "blame Luther for the nazi's" thing is nothing but a catholic attempt to dishonor a great man who did not mince words and stood up against unrighteousness wherever he saw it.
@WorshipInTruth I'll blame Luther thank you. His book "On the Jews and Their Lies" in Part XI specifically says that people must first burn down all Jewish synagogues and schools, second destroy their homes, third burn all their books, fourth threaten rabbis to stop preaching upon punishment of death, fifth abolish safety of the highways for Jews (do not let them travel), and sixth all their gold be taken from them. Sounds a lot like those Nazis doesn't it? You wanna know why?
@mavriksfan11 The views of the nazis's and those of Luther are completely different. The views of the nazi's were based on twisted quasi-pagan race based theories, things which Luther completely rejected and acutually speaks against in "On the Jews and Their Lies". In fact, as I said, the whole thing was actually an anti-racist polemic and completely refutes nazi philosophy, perhaps you should actually read it.
@mavriksfan11 Luther would have completely opposed the nationalist-socialist policies of Hitler and his "blood cult". The nazi's did many things Luther never would have done such as go into alliance with the Vatican via the "reich concordat" and many incidences. It was the pope Eugenio Pacelli who paved the way for the nazi's to rise to power by agreeing with them to dissolve Zentrum (centre party). The papacy has always murdered the jews, ever heard of the inquisitions? You fool.
@WorshipInTruth You completely disregarded the fact that Luther's instructions were the beginning of the Nazi policy on Jews. Because of his status as Germany's greatest intellectual up to that time, his writings were taken very very seriously. Had he not been an antisemitic, the holocaust would not have occurred. It's that simple, and a widely expressed view by most historians. He certainly was influenced by other sources, but it's his acceptance of these views and writing of them that ruins it
I also belive that praying to a dead pope, having relics from dead nuns and popes claiming they are holy is heresy. To me that is having false idols. Jesus teaches not to not take pleasure in building up material things. When does he say take a piece of my sandle and hold it when you pray for it will do magical things and bring you luck from God. Jesus didn't pray to Noah or Aaron, Job,Eve or anyone else. I also belive that praying to Mary is a sin. She is not part of the Holy Trinity.
Also the popes have winged it for centuries and pulled stuff out of thin air that to catholics is God's word. I believe that Luther wanted Resoration but once he had a death target on his back he did what he had to. The Catholic church caused the division by corrupting itself. That Luther tried to right a wronged ship and the church divided was the Pope of the 1500s doing not Luther. He could have taken his money and kept his mouth shut but he truely belived in God's word.
*holier then thou, and there were men before Luther that were killed by the catholic church. what kind of christian would kill someone because they are questioning a questionable practice... sounds like extremist muslims today.
Those videos are silly. Clearly Martin Luther developed his views on theology over time. He didn't want to start a new church, he wanted to reform the Catholic Church of its corruption. As he studied more he realized that the practice of indulgences was just the tip of the iceburg. There was no basis for any of a mutlitude of catholic doctrines in scripture itself, which became his only guide. Also, nobody that knows anything about him would acknowledge that he wasn't one to mince words.
@moloko5 The Church needed RESTORATION, not REFORMATION. What he did was to divide the Church and create hundreds of Protestant sects. He also came with with his own ideas (which is also heresy)... and he threw excrement at the church's door... amazing guide for Protestants for sure.
So in his scripture "Wider das Papsttum zu Rom, vom Teufel gestiftet. " ('Against the Papacy at Rome, founded by the devil. ') for example, as well as in his other late scriptures, he didn't try to start a new church ?
Protestant versions of the Bible, when revised, are submitted to an organization known as the “Council of Rabbis” for verification/proof-reading, prior to publication.
This is how the printed word of GOD becomes corrupted/obfuscated. A clear example is the commandment;…”Thou shall not kill.”
Which in reality reads…”Thou shall not murder.”
Murder is defined as the taking of INNOCENT life. Note that in the O.T., GOD endorses the killing of wicked life.
@moloko5 ORIGINALLY he only wanted to reform the Catholic Church. Over time, he grew in dislike toward the pope and the Catholic Church. In fact, he had a quote: "I feel much freer now that I am certain that the pope is the antichrist"
Onchocerciasis schistosomiasis are major biological weapons and their use to create harm because of theological disposition will be prosecuted according to the law of conservation.
And to the sick people of earth suffering from rickettsial diseases, remember the evil doers of business law and medicine will face judgement for their choices.
I really enjoyed this movie. Well acted and researched. While I'm sure some folks are more intersted in finding fault with Luther, the main thing "Faith alone, by grace alone, in Christ alone" and getting us back to the basics of our faith is the most important part.of his life and what we should concentrate on.
@AgApE010 This movie says indulgences bought your way into heaven, thats not what an indulgence does. And, there is no real proof that Luther ever nailed the theses to the door, he mailed them to his superiors. Also, even at this time, Luther still hadent invented protestantism, he was expressing his willingness to retract if they decided against him.
Indulgences were sold to reduce one's time in Purgatory. So in that sense, they were buying their way into heaven.
It is universally agreed upon that Luther did nail the 95 Theses to the Castle door in Wittenburg. However, this was not an act of rebellion. The front of the Church was where people congregated and where bulletins were posted for the townspeople to see.
No one credits Luther with "inventing Protestantism." That is Papist rhetoric.
@AgApE010 Luther was the first protestant, so he did invent it. And, indulgences only remove the left over punishment of already forgiven sins, it is not as you fundeys suggest, a means of buying one's way into Heaven.
I already argued in what sense it is buying your way into heaven. So repeating yourself without addressing my argument is pointless.
Actually, 100 years before Luther there was Jan Huss, another Protestant. He met his demise by being burned to death by the Romanists. 100 years before Huss, there was John Wyclif; 200 years before Wyclif, there was Peter Waldo; 200 years before Waldo, there was Gottschalk. And the list of "Protestants" goes on.
@YeshuaisYahweh1 Do not forget Philip Melancthon. The key was predestination, a truth that the world sorely needs today. You cannot suicide bomb your way into heaven.
@YeshuaisYahweh1 actually the catholic "church" was selling indulgences as a way to buy your way into heaven in the 1500s. Go buy this book... The Church In History by B.K. Kuiper and you'll see the history of the church the second chapter starts from 33 AD to 313 AD. You'll really see how much paganism has shaped the catholic church and the holy then thou approach catholics take is so funny. 50 percent of what you believe is man made superstition.
@wallywallz And ALL your beliefes came from a man when throwing his excrement back and forth with the devil in the bathroom. And that book, was more than likely written by a anti-Catholic fundey. And ALL of the Bible you read comes from the same "pagan" Catholic Church.
@YeshuaisYahweh1 Luther did not invent Protestantism. There were many proto-protestant groups long before Luther, ever heard of the Waldensians? The Hussies? The Lollards? I could go on and on. Luther was just one notable character in the Churches response to the excessess of the papacy.
Even I know that personal ambition, be it power or money or authority, should never cross with religion. People back then, people used simony, which is the selling of clerical positions, and ANYONE with enough money could buy them. It's similar to what Blagojavich was trying to do with Obama's Senate seat. To let ANYBODY buy a seat of authority, be it political or religious, is just plain wrong.
KNOW the meaning of a scientific theory as opposed to a "normal" theory, before you start making silly claims. Science's theories are established scientific models, and they can also be facts. For example, evolution is both a theory AND a fact.
Your date for Moses is plain wrong. My date is from the Seder Olam Rabbah, quite authoritative. And your source?
As for your god, that's not even a theory! It's a silly myth, not even supported by any evidence! Talk about not having facts...
@grimlund Luther's problem was an issue of those things which are written in a book called "The Talmud". In it are some rather unique and interesting accusations against Christ Jesus and his followers. Even Luther understood that the Christian faith is really a sect of Judaism (as recorded in Acts). Luther's thoughts and actions in those regards are a temper tantrum. This has been resolved.
@WashingtonCommander Sorry, my friend. It's not that simple. Luther was what we would call today an "anti-semite," there's no getting around that. But so was about 90% of the Christian church. That's just the way they were, there is no use trying to white-wash it. But I have no desire to engage in "presentism," and am not judging him, he was a man of his era, no more and no less when it came to some things. He would agree.
@proffromgview He was not anti-semetic, he was anti-judaic, theres a difference, he didn't hate them as a "race" but as a religion. He was innitialy supportive of the Jewish cause before the reformation, but after, as he saw Jews were unwilling to convert, he lashed out against them in anger.
@leafkill9 lol! I was using the term as it's commonly employed today. The Jews are not a "race," as you indicated by your quotes too. But I've read enough of Luther to know he agreed with the commonly held assumption of their religion as "Christ-killers," and his views of their religion bled over into his views of them as people. Compare that to his writing on the peasants, and you see the same thing. Luther (like us) was a man of his times.
@proffromgview (for leafkill9)...If you search "Martin Luther and the Jews" you come to his famous treatise in V 47 (YT would not let me link it here), and It's clear Luther's denunciation of their theology has largely flavored his views on the Jews as a people. Thus, it is very hard to truly separate his views like you tried to do. Like all thinkers of his age, he did not engage in that kind of compartmentalizing that we do today.
For all the Catholics making comments on how Luther became anti-Semitic in his later years, let us not forgot the Spanish Inquisition, sanctioned by the Church itself. The ideas of Martin Luther when he had become a senile old man, which were never acted upon, hardly compare to the Inquisition.
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They must have smelled very bad.
peymaania 1 month ago
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navroopshoker 1 month ago
why this germans speak english ?
ManuelB1b3r 1 month ago
As far as Luther being anti-semetic, I concur that there is some evidence. However, Luther was a man of both his time and his environment and considering the prevelence of such things in both areas, this sinfullness in his life hardly negates every other witness he had "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God"; he was wrong in this area because he was a fallible man, he did not represent himself as anything else, "God's grace is sufficient" even for this bigotry I am sure.
soldierofchrist2011 1 month ago
Luther was not the first to address the corruption in the Western Catholic Church he was the first to succeed without being silenced. In part due to the weakening of the Church with the renissance and the enlightenment (John Wycliffe burned - Luther lived). Rome had become entagled with secular governments and Church leadership was hopelessly corrupted by power (FALLIBLE humans intrusted with the gosepl living in sin). The sin of pride in Catholic leadership caused this uneccesary schism.
soldierofchrist2011 1 month ago
Martin Luther is a heretic. Its a fact, not an opinion weather you like it or not.
28804ecorrell 2 months ago
@28804ecorrell That is what the corrupt Catholic Church labeled him. A judge could falsely label you a sex offender. By your reason, innocent or not the law say's you're a sex offender, "it's a fact, not an opinion weather you like it or not."
southparkfan2717 2 months ago
@28804ecorrell Facts are usually backed by empirical data...there is an entire Eastern Catholic Church (Eastern Orthodox) that feels the exact same way about Roman Catholics and the Pope and they can show their lineage to the begginning. Either everybody is a herectic by proclomation (depending on who the human authority is) or more grace needs to be given in throwing around the "heretic" label in every minor in-house dispute that rubs a person in power the wrong way.
soldierofchrist2011 1 month ago
@fundie2008 he didnt try to reform the catholic church he was trying to take them down so luther tried to form his own he made christianity the religion and he and the roman catholics seperated so they were their own people
TheJackie7Jackie 2 months ago
Martin luther proved the roman catholics wrong and he started his own so he ha many followers so he didnt burn any of the jews since he is christian and god says that the jews are his chosen people so luther couldnt do that
TheJackie7Jackie 2 months ago
@soterioss8787 I believe the Pope is a man and nothing else. Luther had troubles but salvation through faith alone is not one of them. I believe it because it is what the bible says.
southparkfan2717 2 months ago
@southparkfan2717 Very well said, Luther no doubt had some issues - yet he never claimed to be infallible, he stood on the word of God and its promises and left the rest with the grace of God.... much like St. Ignatious, St. Iraneus, St. Polycarp, St. Origin and others before him. He wasn't perfect, but perhaps St. Luther might be appropriate considering his contribution to reforming the Church and standing against godless corruption.
soldierofchrist2011 1 month ago
@soldierofchrist2011 He was no St. Luther.
southparkfan2717 1 month ago
Thank God for Martin Luther!!!
bella50008 2 months ago
@soterioss8787 ...you should ask yourself the very same questions about the popes and priests in the RCC. Their dogma has changed over the centuries and they commend and allow you to worship statues, live by traditions instead of the word of God, and flock to worship the sun and demons in the form of a female apparition among other evil and ungodly practices. Does this concern you at all?
bella50008 2 months ago
Am I the only one who thinks the guy that keeps asking him to recant looks like Nick Swardson?
thecharvelshredder 2 months ago
who says order in the hall?
MrHahah69 2 months ago
@soterioss8787 We do place our essence of Christianity on the shoulders of one man but it is not Martin Luther. It's that other guy, what's his name? Oh yeah, Jesus Christ.
This is the single biggest misconception among Catholics, that Martin Luther was the soul person behind the Reformation. Not true. People had been questioning corruption in the church for hundreds of years. Luther was just the one who came up to bat when the time was write.
southparkfan2717 2 months ago 7
Dazu gehörte sehr viel Mut. Denn damnals war das Papstum eine gotteslästerliche. mörderisches Schlangengrube, nur an MACHT interessiert.
PapagenoHannover 2 months ago
He was Great person i respect him ver much
ZZZANNAMARIYZZZ 2 months ago
BUT MY CUESTION IS THEY GO APRT OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, AND NOW THEY ARE LUTHERANS AND OTHER KIND OF PROTESTANTS, NOW A DAYS IF U DON'T WANT TO BE CATHOLIC YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATE, SO WHY THEY DON'T LEAVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ALONE?
luisbassooon 2 months ago
If you are all Christians, no matter your denomination, you ought to believe the words Jesus spoke. With all this arguing, you are all doing the opposite of 'Love one another, as I have loved you."
lovehorses57 2 months ago
OH baby...I'm not Lutheran but I wish I was his sexy little nun...lolol
Thumbs up to those who get the reference to the Yale History Dept's 95 These Rap! :)
virinder07 3 months ago
Luther made one of the biggest mistakes in history, trying to reform Catholic Church instead of remove all the false teaching. Restorationism, not Reformation. Now protestants share some believes with the biggest sect in the world, the Catholic Church.
fundie2008 3 months ago
@fundie2008 That's exactly what Luther tried to do. He never wanted to break apart from the Catholic Church. They kicked him out. His only intention was to remove all the false teaching. However, the Church would not listen and labeled him a heretic, but Luther had already gathered all the support he needed. Really, the Catholic Church made one of the biggest mistakes in history by excommunicating Luther.
PastorSchmidt 3 months ago 18
@PastorSchmidt I would like to point you to one of Luther's books: On the Jews and Their Lies. Do some research about what this 'hero' had to say. Look it up on wikipedia. He is a godforsaken monster of a man. Luther was an evil man with avaricious ambitions and false doctrines.
D3uscaritas3st 2 months ago
@PastorSchmidt
I believe i the Holy Christian Church, the Communion of Saints, the forgiveness o sins, the resurrection of the body, and the Life everlasting . Amen
thegirlremem 2 months ago
@PastorSchmidt I was originally baptized Lutheran, then I became Catholic where I didn't understand a thing that was going on or what they were saying. More important I wasn't getting out there doing anything for anybody. In 5th grade I was moved back to my Lutheran Church, and I'm now 20 and have been a missionary 4 times now, to Juarez, Sparks Texas (which looks like Juarez), and last summer the Lower 9th Ward. If it hadn't been for Luther I'd still be at Mass scratching my head.
southparkfan2717 2 months ago
@fundie2008 With all due respect, removing all the false teachings of the Church and Pope, clearly required the reformation. The reformation was sparked by the nailing of the 95 theses but what what really started it was the Catholic Church's inability to let go of power and intolerance of any word that was not sanctioned by the pope. You can't reform a Church that puts man into the position of God. It would be foolishness on your part to try; Luther recognized this and took necessary action.
virinder07 3 months ago
Many Christians praise Martin Luther for what he accomplished, unknowing he was an advocate of Antisemitism.
leaf732 3 months ago
@leaf732
You make it sound like if he was wrong about usury and other jewish misdeeds he talked about. You have this picture of jews as somekind of a saintly group who has never commited an evil deed during their entire history. I mean come on! Get real!
BENNYSIEGEL90 3 months ago
@BENNYSIEGEL90 Well first of all i never said a thing against jews or anything. Idk where you're getting your facts...
leaf732 3 months ago
@leaf732 Was he really? In all my studies I've never realized that...He was definitely an advocate of tolerance for other religious faiths....but...lol...idk, that's interesting though. :)
virinder07 3 months ago
@virinder07 Look up his book, "On jews and their lies"
leaf732 3 months ago
@leaf732 OHHH! Yes, actually I do remember hearing about that in class...funny how no one ever points out that kind condemning stuff anymore.
virinder07 2 months ago
@leaf732
As far as I know, he didn't burn any of Jews.
WolfeSVK 2 months ago
MARTIN LUTHER, YOU HERETIC.
28804ecorrell 3 months ago
@28804ecorrell
Who is the heretic? The one who stands upon the word of God and refuses to recant? Or one who continues to regularly attend a blasphemous mass which declares the INSUFFICIENCY of Christs propitiatory sacrifice on the cross which was ONCE for all that is at the very heart of the Christian faith! You trample Christ underfoot and insult the Spirit of grace! You are an unreprentant, proud blasphemer and an apostate, an enemy of Christ as is Rome.
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TheOldBeef 3 months ago
We have Martin Luther, more than any other man, to thank for the rise of atheism and anti-christian-ness in the world today.
TheOldBeef 3 months ago
Protestantism can not be stopped.
Today, there exists no more moral, more powerful, more able force than Lutheranism.
What is our aim? We will take on the challenges humanity is confronted with today; hedonic Papism, Islamofascism, Marxism and every other such teaching that does not acknowledge the idea of human dignity.
Lutheran Scandinavian forces will one day conquer all of Afghanistan.
Once, Vikings were heathens. Today, we're not - but have begun waging war anew.
scholion 3 months ago
@scholion drugs are bad for you
TheOldBeef 3 months ago
We should have discussions on how relevant his anti-semitism was in forming his original theology.
goldenarms12 3 months ago
@goldenarms12
It's easy. The Jews had to be out of the equation so that these gentlemen "protest". Human bigotry at its finest. :P WELL FUCK THAT SHIT. ALL IS FOR THE MONEY.
VonManavis 3 months ago
Yo Martin Luther, I Im really happy for you, ima let you finish but Calvin was one of the best Reformers of all time, one of the best Reformers of all time.
WorshipInTruth 3 months ago
The only Martin Luther worth ma' attention is the King bitches!
VonManavis 3 months ago
@VonManavis That fool who called himself Martin Luther King Jr. wasnt even half the man that Martin Luther was.
WorshipInTruth 3 months ago
@VonManavis And who do you think he was named for?
southparkfan2717 3 months ago
@southparkfan2717
My grocer next door.
VonManavis 3 months ago
@VonManavis Are you 80 or Amish? Because that has got to be the most out of date, "and stupid" sounding response I've ever gotten.
southparkfan2717 3 months ago
Thumbs up if you think Martin Luther looks like a Jedi in those robes :D
gilbert4321 4 months ago
i'm pretty sure the Ex-Father Martin Luther new the catholic church better then most people taking shots at him on here... even in colleges and high schools that only have secular history classes teach that Luther was a liberator of the the corrupt catholic church of the 1500's.
wallywallz 4 months ago
@wallywallz His intention at first was a good one, but soon in pride he started an entire new Church, with heretical theology and an invalid priesthood, ie invalid apostolic succession. The 'Secular' schools you are talking about are located in the modern day reformation countries, England and Germany, for example.
assasincomedy 4 months ago
@assasincomedy Priesthood itself was invalid. Who was carrying the out the Popes dirty works at the time?
southparkfan2717 4 months ago
@southparkfan2717 I have no idea what you are trying to point out. The Lutherans do not have a valid priesthood, they severed their apostolic succession when they started their own new version of Christianity.
assasincomedy 4 months ago
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wallywallz 4 months ago
the ancient languages didn't have complex structured sentences like we do now days. even with all or our different words many sentences can be taken of context.. my girlfriend told me her grandmother whipped her because of a miscommunitcation.. her grandma was having a bad day and told her i wish i would have just stayed home. my girlfriend said me too mean my girlfriend wish my girlfriend would have stayed home. thinking she ment she wished her grandma to stay home my girlfriend was whipped
wallywallz 4 months ago
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9). Also where does Jesus Christ speak of killing the wicked is okay? I thought Jesus said turn the other cheek. Before Christ died people had to sacrifice their crops and lambs to God so maybe eye for an eye worked then. A lot of the Words from the languages spoken in Jesus' time could stand for more then one word. they weren't
wallywallz 4 months ago
@wallywallz "You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only" (James 2:24) - the only place in the entire Bible in which the words faith + alone are put together. Paul's writings are unclear and nobody knows what the hell he was talking about ("His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction" (2 Peter 3:16) (explains Protestantism perfectly)). Pwned.
TheOldBeef 3 months ago
@TheOldBeef Respectfully, you are incorrect. Paul is not difficult to understand at all. He clearly says in Ephesians 2:8-10 that after one is justified by faith, GOD will produce good works in and through him. Those are the only good works He honors because they come from His indwelling Spirit. A Christian does good works, but not works dictated by man -- works produced by God's Spirit.
danieltwelve3 3 months ago
@danieltwelve3 The Bible says Paul is hard to understand, you lunatic! If you think everything he wrote is easy to understand then you are disagreeing with the Bible itself, not just me. But James is easy to understand, and he clearly states in James 2:24 that works justify. It doesn't say that "works dictated by man" justify, but it does say that works justify, indicating that some type of works justify.
TheOldBeef 3 months ago
@danieltwelve3 So, naturally, in order to harmonize the passage in James with the passage in Ephesians, only the works produced by God's spirit justify. Faith, which comes from God, and works, which also come from God, both justify, and since they both come from God, no one can boast. Paul is neglecting a certain type of works, and James is affirming that a different type of works do indeed justify, and that without them, faith is DEAD. Respectfully, YOU are incorrect.
TheOldBeef 3 months ago
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wallywallz 4 months ago
Martin Luther is what you'd call a TRUE reformer. Not ML King Jr, not Gandhi, not Susan B Anthony. Martin Luther changed all of history. MLK Jr, Gandhi, Susan B Anthony etc only left a speck on the timeline. Don't get me wrong, they did great things, but I believe Martin Luther did MUCH more to the world than those others.
joquanpro 4 months ago
Protestantism is really a product of luck. Had Saxony not provided Luther with asylum the movement would surely have been stamped out. And Henry VIII inability to sire an heir led to the legitimacy of Protestantism.
modularbadger 4 months ago
To bad god doesn't exist :U
cenacattakproduction 4 months ago
@cenacattakproduction Yes but Religion does, and its power in shaping the world in which we live in cannot be denied. This is why people debate the issues, the existence or non-existence of God/Allah/Yahweh whatever name you want to put on "it" is moot.
modularbadger 4 months ago
@modularbadger Dude, I fucking love you right now.
cenacattakproduction 4 months ago
Of course a Lutheran propoganda film on youtube will be full of militant lutherans attacking the Church. If you actually open a book and research the reformation from a neutral point of view, you find that it was only really certain individuals in the Church that were corrupt. The Council of Trent fixed that.
assasincomedy 5 months ago
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@assasincomedy "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9).
wallywallz 4 months ago
"Judea Declares War On Germany! Jews of all the World Unite!"
- London Daily Express Headline, March 24, 1933
"Hitler will have no war but we will force it on him, not this year, but soon"
- Emil Ludwig Cohn Les Annales, June, 1934 "The New Holy Alliance"
"We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany."
- David A. Brown, National Chairman, United Jewish Campaign, 1934 (quote "I Testify Against The Jews" by Robert Edward Edmondson, pg 188 "The Jewish War of Survival" by Arnold Leese, pg 52
StSimonMartyr 5 months ago
One really does wonder at the intellectual level of some RCs, when you see them use a book Luther wrote over 20 years after Worms, to try to argue that he was wrong at Worms.
Furthermore: Luther was a child of his time, and anti-semitism had been rampant in Europe for centuries, sanctioned by the RC church. To blame Luther for anti-semitism is revisionism at its worst.
JesusFreakDK 5 months ago 4
'MARTIN LUTHER YIELDED TO THE INFLUENCE OF HIS JEWISH FRIENDS UNKNOWINGLY, AND AGAIN, BY JEWISH AUTHORITY, AND WITH JEWISH FINANCE, HIS PLOT AGAINST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH MET WITH SUCCESS.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY HE DISCOVERED THE DECEPTION, AND BECAME A THREAT TO US, SO WE DISPOSED OF HIM AS WE HAVE SO MANY OTHERS WHO DARE TO OPPOSE US'
(Jewish B'nai B'rith Convention in Paris, published in the London Gazette, February, 1936; Paris Le Reveil du Peuple
StSimonMartyr 5 months ago
@JesusFreakDK Luther had the audacity to challenge the church on its other misgivings but not on its mistreatment of Jews? Treating a human as less than is appalling no matter what the circumstance. How about the founders of the KKK or the leaders of Neo-Nazism? Are they merely children of their times and circumstances? Even if that is the case they still need to be held accountable for their actions and Luther's legacy should reflect his fierce antisemitism.
nljensen 2 months ago
@nljensen Luther reflected common catholic teaching in his time that placed an emphasis on the guilt of the Jews in Christ's crucifiction. I have yet to hear evidence of actual acts of persecution or torture being conducted by Luther against Jews (the whole KKK/Nazi comparison doesn't exactly line up). He reflected in some statements the skewed Catholic theology he was taught in the religious education of his day, nothing more, nothing less.
soldierofchrist2011 1 month ago
@soldierofchrist2011 Luther advocated setting fire to their synagogues and schools, destroying their houses, taking their religious books, forbidding rabbis to teach under threat of violence or death, forcing them to stay home, and making them slaves. He also said many other atrocious things. I never said he personally physically harmed any Jews. That doesn't matter to me; he was a dick! BTW not every KKK or Neo-nazi member physically harms another person.
nljensen 1 month ago
@nljensen to say that Martin Luther overall is a jerk I feel is a very generalizing statement. You are correct, towards the end of his life, when he was stricken with illness, he did become quite antisemitic. Was this right? No. However, we must look at all he did, not just the wrong aspects. He changed the Catholic Church for the better and he fought for individual relationships with God, not just through the Pope. Everyone has done good and bad things, Luther is by no means perfect.
MissKierie99 1 month ago
@MissKierie99 It sounds as if you're trying to blame the illness for the crap he wrote. From what I've read he wasn't suffering from any sort of dementia so what's your point? That angina causes antisemitism? If someone like Luther was here today spouting the same things from a pulpit about any race, religion, etc, I would call that person a dick. I don't care if he delivers meals on wheels, or helps old ladies cross the street in the meantime. It's still inexcusable.
nljensen 1 month ago
@nljensen just admit you are a kike dude. Martin Luther learned hebrew so he could study the old testament and eventually came to study the jewish scriptures, what he found there (anti-gentile hate) shocked him. What he said about you kikes was correct.
homonecan 4 weeks ago
@homonecan Actually homo I used to be a Lutheran until I woke up and ditched religion altogether. Enjoy your hate filled life.
nljensen 2 weeks ago
@nljensen yeah for sure, enjoy your pork sandwich...not, Mr Kike.
homonecan 2 weeks ago
@homonecan jesus was a jew dipshit. now you enjoy shaving your head... dude.
donutsndingleberries 1 week ago
This film is Protestant propoganda. It's a pity. Every single thing in this film paints the Church in a horrible light, while luther is painted as the liberator of freedom.
assasincomedy 6 months ago
@assasincomedy that's what happened lol... it's the truth.. you'd be buying indulgences right now if it wasn't for Luther, you'd also not be able to read the bible he's the one that translated it to mondern day language for all to read
wallywallz 4 months ago
@wallywallz No. It was in one area of Germany that indulgences were sold. That was an abuse and was reformed via the Council of Trent. He would of known nothing about the heirachy of the Catholic Church. He was a friar, not a bishop or prince of the Church. There were several Bibles written in German before Luther wrote his. Stop spewing stereotypical garbage that has no place in real history. Trying to convince people of the 'utterly corrupt medieval Church' just does not work anyway/
assasincomedy 4 months ago
So called reformation was the biggest blow to western civilization
papist77 6 months ago
@PeiperJ2 Mine's pretty correct. It corresponds with the main online one.
The weird thing is that after reading it, I felt pretty convinced that Jews sucked. Then I got to Part XI and just said What the Fuck to the whole thing.
mavriksfan11 6 months ago
@PeiperJ2 I checked it out at my local library. My name is on a government list somewhere, but it's amazing how many Protestants praise Martin Luther without ever knowing what he was really all about.
mavriksfan11 6 months ago
The scriptures alone does the saving. Not of that of the catholic faith.
wasnt4me 6 months ago
Proud Protestant!
jesusisonlyway 6 months ago
@jesusisonlyway Martin Luther was the driving force behind the German antisemitism that led to the Holocaust. Read his book "On the Jews and Their Lies" if you're such a proud protestant.
mavriksfan11 6 months ago
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jesusisonlyway 6 months ago
Odd that ML remained a catholic all of his life, in spite what most people think
cirosuperiore 6 months ago
We need more Christians like this today! Thank you Martin Luther!
danieladventist 7 months ago
@danieladventist Yes! we need more Jew hating Christians' today, just like we need more Islamic extremists.
airsoftiscandy 7 months ago
@airsoftiscandy Well, minus that LOL. Other then that I admire how he stood up to the Roman Catholic Church, and such, thats what I was talking about.
danieladventist 7 months ago
@danieladventist Martin Luther's book "On the Jews and Their Lies" was a driving force behind the rise of antisemitism in Germany. You know the same Germany that kind of spearheaded the whole holocaust. We really need more Christians like him today.
mavriksfan11 6 months ago
@mavriksfan11 Ok, if you haven't seen my reply to another fellow who said what you said I will repeat it. I admire the fact that he had the guts to rise up against papal rome and also the fact that he discovered many great doctrines. I am not a Lutheran, but I still do appreciate SOME of the things he did. I have Jewish in my background, I do not appreciate antisemitism, or anything to that effect, but I do not focus on the negative. My glass is half full.
danieladventist 6 months ago
@danieladventist So when you said, "We need more Christians like this today!" You didn't mean it? Because there are lots of Christians like him today, they're called Nazis.
mavriksfan11 6 months ago
@mavriksfan11 No, I meant that we need more Christians who are willing to stand up for the Truth. I detest the fact that he was a rascist, but I'd rather focus on the positive.
danieladventist 6 months ago
ooooo...the tension and pressure that must have been in that room!!..thus..The Lutherans began...BLAM!!!
jadedsaint1776 7 months ago
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blepp28 7 months ago
Martin Luther's Book "On The Jews and Their Lies" is Extremely Anti-Semitic. Is He Honorable? No.
JewForJesusAlways 7 months ago
@JewForJesusAlways
He certainly had a problem in 1543 (I believe...) when he wrote that book. And as a friend of Israel and the Jewish people, I of course has as little regard for that book as everyone else here. But that still does not change the fact that it was written more than two decades after his stand at Worms - which is why it's utterly ridiculous to use the book as a slander against the young Luther who stood up for the truth.
JesusFreakDK 5 months ago
Martin Luther had it right! I love this movie.
57smeyer 7 months ago
@57smeyer Especially with that whole "Let's kill and torture all the Jews" thing.
mavriksfan11 6 months ago
Thank You Jesus for Martin Luther. He was a part of Bible Prophecy that exposed the heretical doctrines of the catholic church, that is not christian, for its doctrines are in opposition to the Pure Word of God. Written by Jews, inspired by GOD,a JEW & salvation is of the Jews NOT the catholic GENTILE church John4:22. God chose 12 Jews commissioned from JE-RU-SA-LEM, Holy City of GOD, & gave them ALL manner of doctrine needed for the salvation of HIS Church UNTIL His return to NEW Jerusalem AMEN
1978dagreat 8 months ago
@1978dagreat Martin Luther was a huge antisemite too. Weird.
mavriksfan11 6 months ago
@mavriksfan11 no its not weird, its a dogma that early church bishops with evil agenda's perpetrated and the cc promoted it to seperate themselves from judism. ML was not perfect, neither was Peter, the ELDER 1 Peter 5:1, nor was Paul the apostle to the gentiles Gal 2:6-8. Martin Luther was a regular man that God used to do a mighty GREAT work, the job was accomplished, so what ML did after his great assignment is irrelevant. We all will stand before God and have to deal with our prejudices/sins
1978dagreat 6 months ago
@1978dagreat Martin Luther's On the Jews and Their Lies, Part XI is basically a how-to guide for the later Nazi party and their holocaust. I think it's hardly irrelevant that Martin Luther, a man who did God's work on Earth as you claim, also was responsible for the fucking holocaust.
mavriksfan11 6 months ago
ML had a powerful german radical prince behind his exploits,,he knew well he would not be murdered by the catholics,,his last years would be spent cursing the jews. Now he is burning in hell for his countless unrepentent sins.
May protestantism in all her ungoldly forms fall , be destroyed.
paulfbest 8 months ago
This movie looks very historically inaccurate. It's the old, "Let's make the bad guys look ugly and the good guys look pretty" trick. Martin Luther and his ragtag group of peasants take down the big bad Catholic church in typical Rebel Alliance vs. Empire fashion. The Catholics are impatient, petty, and mean and Martin is calm, humble, and mellow. I'm not a Catholic, but I just can't stand films that take a "good guy-bad guy" stance when talking about historical facts.
ryanmshepard92 8 months ago
@ryanmshepard92 i would agree with you ordinarily but the funny part that when i actually studied this time period, its actually very true. luther did bring light when all the Catholic Church wanted was money. if you watch the rest of the movie you see luther and his own demons they dont just portray him all calm, humble, mellow. and his answer was historically recorded if im not mistaken but feel free to correct me
xxoRebel 7 months ago
The WWII holocaust, as well as the treatment of women is directly attributable in no small measure to Luther's vileness. In the end he was no better than that which he challenged.
sheavepin 8 months ago
What Martin did, what all of us needs to do! People can tell you what the Word of God says but Luther read for himself and learn from reading the Bible. 1st John "ye need not that any man teach you" we all have the same anointing to teaches all things.
When the scene of "my conscience is captive to the Word of God" is amazing because he stood for his own faith and what he personally believed.
Best thing is Let not anyone tell you what they believe but rather you find out what YOU believe!
MrSuperEman 8 months ago
@MrSuperEman Luther didn't let anyone tell him what to believe, and as a result, he started a wave of antisemitism in Germany that culminated in the Holocaust years later...awkward.
mavriksfan11 6 months ago
@mavriksfan11 If you want to blame anybody blame the jesuits, they are known for having incited most of the anti-semitic rage throughout the centuries and were even kicked out of France for instigating the "Dreyfus Affair" which sparked anti-jewish sentiment throughout Europe. The whole "blame Luther for the nazi's" thing is nothing but a catholic attempt to dishonor a great man who did not mince words and stood up against unrighteousness wherever he saw it.
WorshipInTruth 6 months ago
@WorshipInTruth I'll blame Luther thank you. His book "On the Jews and Their Lies" in Part XI specifically says that people must first burn down all Jewish synagogues and schools, second destroy their homes, third burn all their books, fourth threaten rabbis to stop preaching upon punishment of death, fifth abolish safety of the highways for Jews (do not let them travel), and sixth all their gold be taken from them. Sounds a lot like those Nazis doesn't it? You wanna know why?
mavriksfan11 6 months ago
@mavriksfan11 The views of the nazis's and those of Luther are completely different. The views of the nazi's were based on twisted quasi-pagan race based theories, things which Luther completely rejected and acutually speaks against in "On the Jews and Their Lies". In fact, as I said, the whole thing was actually an anti-racist polemic and completely refutes nazi philosophy, perhaps you should actually read it.
WorshipInTruth 6 months ago
@mavriksfan11 Luther would have completely opposed the nationalist-socialist policies of Hitler and his "blood cult". The nazi's did many things Luther never would have done such as go into alliance with the Vatican via the "reich concordat" and many incidences. It was the pope Eugenio Pacelli who paved the way for the nazi's to rise to power by agreeing with them to dissolve Zentrum (centre party). The papacy has always murdered the jews, ever heard of the inquisitions? You fool.
WorshipInTruth 6 months ago
@WorshipInTruth You completely disregarded the fact that Luther's instructions were the beginning of the Nazi policy on Jews. Because of his status as Germany's greatest intellectual up to that time, his writings were taken very very seriously. Had he not been an antisemitic, the holocaust would not have occurred. It's that simple, and a widely expressed view by most historians. He certainly was influenced by other sources, but it's his acceptance of these views and writing of them that ruins it
mavriksfan11 6 months ago
at 3:56 my conscience it captive to the Word of God, Amen and amen !
treasureinvessel 8 months ago
I also belive that praying to a dead pope, having relics from dead nuns and popes claiming they are holy is heresy. To me that is having false idols. Jesus teaches not to not take pleasure in building up material things. When does he say take a piece of my sandle and hold it when you pray for it will do magical things and bring you luck from God. Jesus didn't pray to Noah or Aaron, Job,Eve or anyone else. I also belive that praying to Mary is a sin. She is not part of the Holy Trinity.
wallywallz 8 months ago 4
@wallywallz I believe that we shouldn't burn and execute Jews, but Martin Luther would have thought I was crazy as well.
mavriksfan11 6 months ago
Also the popes have winged it for centuries and pulled stuff out of thin air that to catholics is God's word. I believe that Luther wanted Resoration but once he had a death target on his back he did what he had to. The Catholic church caused the division by corrupting itself. That Luther tried to right a wronged ship and the church divided was the Pope of the 1500s doing not Luther. He could have taken his money and kept his mouth shut but he truely belived in God's word.
wallywallz 8 months ago 3
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wallywallz 8 months ago
*holier then thou, and there were men before Luther that were killed by the catholic church. what kind of christian would kill someone because they are questioning a questionable practice... sounds like extremist muslims today.
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niwanthiumara 9 months ago
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ulsterman1980 9 months ago
Martin Luther was not as great as this movie makes him out to be
SolarflixTv 9 months ago
he was so right about jews all those years ago
hcwcars1 9 months ago
Those videos are silly. Clearly Martin Luther developed his views on theology over time. He didn't want to start a new church, he wanted to reform the Catholic Church of its corruption. As he studied more he realized that the practice of indulgences was just the tip of the iceburg. There was no basis for any of a mutlitude of catholic doctrines in scripture itself, which became his only guide. Also, nobody that knows anything about him would acknowledge that he wasn't one to mince words.
moloko5 9 months ago 22
@moloko5 The Church needed RESTORATION, not REFORMATION. What he did was to divide the Church and create hundreds of Protestant sects. He also came with with his own ideas (which is also heresy)... and he threw excrement at the church's door... amazing guide for Protestants for sure.
ChrisDaron 8 months ago
@moloko5 :
So in his scripture "Wider das Papsttum zu Rom, vom Teufel gestiftet. " ('Against the Papacy at Rome, founded by the devil. ') for example, as well as in his other late scriptures, he didn't try to start a new church ?
bullshit.
jerome96114 6 months ago
@moloko5 you win many interwebs for that
pokefan1994 6 months ago
Protestant versions of the Bible, when revised, are submitted to an organization known as the “Council of Rabbis” for verification/proof-reading, prior to publication.
This is how the printed word of GOD becomes corrupted/obfuscated. A clear example is the commandment;…”Thou shall not kill.”
Which in reality reads…”Thou shall not murder.”
Murder is defined as the taking of INNOCENT life. Note that in the O.T., GOD endorses the killing of wicked life.
Ya’ll catch that little bait & switch?
StSimonMartyr 5 months ago
@moloko5 ORIGINALLY he only wanted to reform the Catholic Church. Over time, he grew in dislike toward the pope and the Catholic Church. In fact, he had a quote: "I feel much freer now that I am certain that the pope is the antichrist"
joquanpro 4 months ago
Onchocerciasis schistosomiasis are major biological weapons and their use to create harm because of theological disposition will be prosecuted according to the law of conservation.
And to the sick people of earth suffering from rickettsial diseases, remember the evil doers of business law and medicine will face judgement for their choices.
hurryupche 10 months ago
I really enjoyed this movie. Well acted and researched. While I'm sure some folks are more intersted in finding fault with Luther, the main thing "Faith alone, by grace alone, in Christ alone" and getting us back to the basics of our faith is the most important part.of his life and what we should concentrate on.
DoctorJK3 10 months ago
I suggest you viewers of this watch videos on youtube called "What you dont know about Martin Luhter" and "Martin Luther, the devil and demoniations"
YeshuaisYahweh1 10 months ago
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Yes, because those videos sure sound scholarly and non-biased. *rolls eyes*
AgApE010 9 months ago
@AgApE010 And this movie isant????
YeshuaisYahweh1 9 months ago
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No, it isn't. This movie actually accurately records many historical events, such as the Diet of Worms here.
AgApE010 9 months ago
@AgApE010 This movie says indulgences bought your way into heaven, thats not what an indulgence does. And, there is no real proof that Luther ever nailed the theses to the door, he mailed them to his superiors. Also, even at this time, Luther still hadent invented protestantism, he was expressing his willingness to retract if they decided against him.
YeshuaisYahweh1 9 months ago
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Indulgences were sold to reduce one's time in Purgatory. So in that sense, they were buying their way into heaven.
It is universally agreed upon that Luther did nail the 95 Theses to the Castle door in Wittenburg. However, this was not an act of rebellion. The front of the Church was where people congregated and where bulletins were posted for the townspeople to see.
No one credits Luther with "inventing Protestantism." That is Papist rhetoric.
AgApE010 9 months ago
@AgApE010 Luther was the first protestant, so he did invent it. And, indulgences only remove the left over punishment of already forgiven sins, it is not as you fundeys suggest, a means of buying one's way into Heaven.
YeshuaisYahweh1 9 months ago
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I already argued in what sense it is buying your way into heaven. So repeating yourself without addressing my argument is pointless.
Actually, 100 years before Luther there was Jan Huss, another Protestant. He met his demise by being burned to death by the Romanists. 100 years before Huss, there was John Wyclif; 200 years before Wyclif, there was Peter Waldo; 200 years before Waldo, there was Gottschalk. And the list of "Protestants" goes on.
AgApE010 9 months ago 10
@YeshuaisYahweh1 Do not forget Philip Melancthon. The key was predestination, a truth that the world sorely needs today. You cannot suicide bomb your way into heaven.
P1B1U1H1 9 months ago
@YeshuaisYahweh1 actually the catholic "church" was selling indulgences as a way to buy your way into heaven in the 1500s. Go buy this book... The Church In History by B.K. Kuiper and you'll see the history of the church the second chapter starts from 33 AD to 313 AD. You'll really see how much paganism has shaped the catholic church and the holy then thou approach catholics take is so funny. 50 percent of what you believe is man made superstition.
martin
wallywallz 8 months ago
@wallywallz And ALL your beliefes came from a man when throwing his excrement back and forth with the devil in the bathroom. And that book, was more than likely written by a anti-Catholic fundey. And ALL of the Bible you read comes from the same "pagan" Catholic Church.
YeshuaisYahweh1 8 months ago
@YeshuaisYahweh1 Luther did not invent Protestantism. There were many proto-protestant groups long before Luther, ever heard of the Waldensians? The Hussies? The Lollards? I could go on and on. Luther was just one notable character in the Churches response to the excessess of the papacy.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
Even I know that personal ambition, be it power or money or authority, should never cross with religion. People back then, people used simony, which is the selling of clerical positions, and ANYONE with enough money could buy them. It's similar to what Blagojavich was trying to do with Obama's Senate seat. To let ANYBODY buy a seat of authority, be it political or religious, is just plain wrong.
BreakawayBlack 10 months ago
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BreakawayBlack 10 months ago
KNOW the meaning of a scientific theory as opposed to a "normal" theory, before you start making silly claims. Science's theories are established scientific models, and they can also be facts. For example, evolution is both a theory AND a fact.
Your date for Moses is plain wrong. My date is from the Seder Olam Rabbah, quite authoritative. And your source?
As for your god, that's not even a theory! It's a silly myth, not even supported by any evidence! Talk about not having facts...
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
talk about Cojones
artygunnar 11 months ago
If he had not been promised safe passage there and back, he would have died that day....
proffromgview 11 months ago
I lately discovered that Luther was a big antisemite. He thougt that the Jews should be converted to christianity by force.
grimlund 11 months ago
@grimlund Luther's problem was an issue of those things which are written in a book called "The Talmud". In it are some rather unique and interesting accusations against Christ Jesus and his followers. Even Luther understood that the Christian faith is really a sect of Judaism (as recorded in Acts). Luther's thoughts and actions in those regards are a temper tantrum. This has been resolved.
WashingtonCommander 11 months ago
@WashingtonCommander Sorry, my friend. It's not that simple. Luther was what we would call today an "anti-semite," there's no getting around that. But so was about 90% of the Christian church. That's just the way they were, there is no use trying to white-wash it. But I have no desire to engage in "presentism," and am not judging him, he was a man of his era, no more and no less when it came to some things. He would agree.
proffromgview 11 months ago
@proffromgview He was not anti-semetic, he was anti-judaic, theres a difference, he didn't hate them as a "race" but as a religion. He was innitialy supportive of the Jewish cause before the reformation, but after, as he saw Jews were unwilling to convert, he lashed out against them in anger.
leafkill9 11 months ago
@leafkill9 lol! I was using the term as it's commonly employed today. The Jews are not a "race," as you indicated by your quotes too. But I've read enough of Luther to know he agreed with the commonly held assumption of their religion as "Christ-killers," and his views of their religion bled over into his views of them as people. Compare that to his writing on the peasants, and you see the same thing. Luther (like us) was a man of his times.
proffromgview 11 months ago
@proffromgview (for leafkill9)...If you search "Martin Luther and the Jews" you come to his famous treatise in V 47 (YT would not let me link it here), and It's clear Luther's denunciation of their theology has largely flavored his views on the Jews as a people. Thus, it is very hard to truly separate his views like you tried to do. Like all thinkers of his age, he did not engage in that kind of compartmentalizing that we do today.
proffromgview 11 months ago
@leafkill9
Yeppers!
lonewolf379th 9 months ago