The Bible says the wicked suffer "death" Rom 6:23, will suffer destruction Job21:30, shall perish Ps 37:20, will burn up Mal 4:1, shall be destroyed together Ps 37:38), consume away Ps 37:20, shall be cut off Ps 37:9, be slain Ps 62:3. God will destroy them Ps 145:20,fire shall devour them Ps 21:9. If u’r dog pooped in the corner, would u beat it for a whole year, month, week, day, hour. NO u wouldn't , u, a sinner, make u’r self more merciful to a dog than God to His creatures He created.
Love never fails. God will never fail. If He truly loves people, He wouldn't torture them for all of eternity. Love & eternal torment cannot go together. God is just, yes, but He is not cruel.
1 Tim 4:10- This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers.
1 John 2:2- He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world.
Bill said that he didn,t understand where he was??????? but your senses are keenr your aware of much more???? this is a CONTRADICTION! people wake up!!!
The description is borrowed from the local features of the Dead Sea and its vicinity. The towns of the vale of Siddim were fertile and well watered (compare Genesis 13:10) until devastated by the wrath of God Genesis 19:24-25. The ruin of Israel and its land should be of the like sort (compare Leviticus 26:31-32; Psalm 107:34; Zephaniah 2:9). The desolate state of Palestine at present, and the traces of former fertility and prosperity, are attested by every traveler
The inner part of the earth is the core. This part of the earth is about 1,800 miles (2,900 km) below the earth's surface. The core is a dense ball of the elements iron and nickel. It is divided into two layers, the inner core and the outer core. The inner core - the center of earth - is solid and about 780 miles (1,250 km ) thick
@bopityboi or should i rather say is it bad to expose those who clearly contradcit themelves? you know those who can,t keep teir story straight and for some odd reason the stories seem to change and not stay the same ,sounds suspicious imo
Jesus allowed him to see many elements of Hell, do not mock to word of God which speaks of Hell or you may end up there! Look i dont want there to be a hell either but our lord is very clear Luke 12:5
But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Mark 9:48 “where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched”
Revelation 14:10 “he will be tormented with fire and brimstone”
@MrSlippin22 you think you have all the answers,but imo you,re no different than most christians out there who know one thing and one thing only and that,s the traditions of men. The true church is the remnant and there,s onlt a few of them left ,are you a part of this church?
there will be a lake of fire and the bible tells us that the wicked will be destroyed both body and soul,be brought to ashes,will be no more,time to wake up and take those traditional blinders off and rather than follow popular church doctrine ,follw what he bible teaches instead. you hear me WAKE UP MR SLIPP,N WAKE UP!!!!!!
The bible does teach there is a hell.It's not a literal place of fiery torment-some assumed this,by lack of further investigation A righteous man Job actually prayed to go to hell. It must mean something else, then.Ok, look up Job 14:13(40% way in bible)-O that in She'ol (the grave) you would conceal me. It's a place of inactivity: Psalms 6:5; Eccleciastes 9:10; Isaiah 38:18,19. Jesus was raised from grave=hell: Acts2:27,31,32. Hell will deliver up other dead, be destroyed: Revelation 20:13,14
This story frightenes all gods children. So far all I can see you've nailed him for is saying "skyline" should have said horizon. That's all I agree with you so far. Every scape has a horizon
Sir you may need to read the Bible with an open heart and find out about this horrible place call hell. But overall, I pray that you finds the one that loves YOU so much that doesn’t want you to end there.
He probably at first was taken with the revelation of the author, but he let fear and disbelieve get him critical. To me his voice sounds like someone that is scared and is trying to find little thing to denied the reality of such horrible place. He sounds not sure of where he is going to be for eternity.
This man is acting like a fool, bless his soul. He doesn’t know the difference between the natural and the supernatural. It’s like Moses and the red sea; it is naturally impossible for Moses to part the waters, but in the supernatural all this are possible. This man can’t see, because it takes revelation and an open heart to believe God.
I dont know who this guy is but he dosnt stop to think that maybe god let him see the skyline...or that everyones spirits are their so their is no life...he dosnt even think about it...
@sararudd92 and what about the glass of water? who went and grabbed him a glass of water?,at first after his wife calmed him down he got up she said and "ran to the kitchen for a glass of water". and in another video she gives the same account and says "Bill asked for a glass of water and i went and got it for him" hmmmm?????
@timsh6 You gotta be freakin kidding me....this isnt even a valid argument.....ONE little thing he said he prob dosnt remember because he was so scared he dosnt remember if he got the water or his wife....the one i saw said his wife got it for him, i would be so scared talking about just coming out of hell, im sure it would be hard to remember one little detail as to who got him water...my gosh
@sararudd92 perhaps you should listen better,that is not the only flawe in his story,His wife also stated that whn she foud Bill he was literally traumatised,and prior to this he said that he prayed to God to take the trauma away and he did,and this was before his wife arrived.c,mon now use your head.
@timsh6 He prayed to God, then when she found him she prayed for him too and thats when he came out of it....He said God lifted some of the pain away so that it wasnt all felt....but he never said he took him out of it completely
@sararudd92 ok what i,m trying to tell you is that Bills wife Annette is telling the story here of the same account and in two different videos she says two different things video 1 " i got him a glass of water" in another video" bill got up and ran into the kitchen for a glas of water huh????? now c,mon people!
@sararudd92 no that was not how it happened according to Ray, she said in the first video that after she calmed him down Bill got up and ran to the kitchen for a glass of water,and in a seperate video she gave the same account and said that after Bill calmed down he asked her for a glass of water and she went and got it for him.
@sararudd92 and what aboutt he glass of water and remember this ,this is his wife by the way giving the account not Bill she said in one video that as soon as she calmed Bill down he got up an ran to the kitchen for a glass of water,and in another video she giving th same account says this "Bill asked for a glass of water and i went and got it for him" theses are two different stories!
God loves us all...no matter what you have done...his understanding is unphathomable...and he wants us all to be in heaven with him...god bless everyone if anyone ever wants prayer just let me know...
Whats crazy is the narrow path is LITERALLY a path just like the fire, don't go down the wide path duh, PROBLEM SOLVED no one else has to go to hell now.
"Do we become Christians to escape hell or is it a desire to accept a God's love? The point of becoming a Christian is love. It's not about escaping hell or earning or deserving our way out of punishment. None deserve the sacrifice that Christ made." I agree with that. But escaping Hell is a bonus thrown in. I believe Eph 2:8-10 by grace we are saved...this does not negate the reality of Hell. I am amazed that we are even having this discussion! I have had before. It saddens me.
@dogooda12 I too am sad about it but NOT surprised. I agree that our personal beliefs do not negate the truth of the real hell whatever it is. (we only disagree on what it is) The truth remains the truth no matter what we choose to believe. As believing Christians our destination is not hell no matter what it is.
So you would have us supping with Hitler, Stalin, Jack the ripper & co? Unless we are annihilated-cease to exist after we die. If that's the case what is the point in living a Christian life. Whats the point in living period? Mans nature is rotten to the core( thanks Adam) Jesus is the last Adam through him we have redemption. If you read what Christ said about hell at face value there is no denying it's existence.
@dogooda12 They were sinners but God forgave them at Calvary. Do you think God made a mistake? We are all sinners. Christ's blood is stronger than any sin. Still..They must accept Jesus and believe before they can receive thier free gift. Do we become Christians to escape hell or is it a desire to accept a God's love? The point of becoming a Christian is love. It's not about escaping hell or earning or deserving our way out of punishment. None deserve the sacrifice that Christ made.
@whiskeyfoxpix I agree that the blood of Jesus is the only cleansing agent for a sin-sick soul. But one is not saved by osmosis. You must believe on the Lord Jesus to be saved(Rom 10:5-17I suggest reading the entire book of Romans it's awesome!) God does not make mistakes, Christ was slain from the earths foundation. he'd already made provision for us. I revel in the grace of God and it is His gentleness that leads to repentance. It is at the cross where love and justice meet.
@dogooda12 I don't think I can find anything to disagree with you on this post. Although we were all forgiven on Calvary, ALL must accept the free gift. God didn't ask our permission to forgive us but how can we enjoy the gift unless we accept it? The forgiveness is not conditional. God chose us, we don't choose Him but our acceptance of the fact MUST be accepted by ALL in thier proper order. No need to force acceptance, it will become obvious. No salvation by osmosis.
@whiskeyfoxpix Yes ALL must accept but many will not. Narrow road and the broadroad(Matt713). I agree that forgiveness is for all mankind. Jesus came to seek and save the lost. But if ALL peoples were to be ultimately saved. then why did Christ come in the first place? Seems like a cosmic waste of time. We are rebels totally depraved in our Adamic nature. Without Christ we will remain in our sins. The wages of sin is death. 2 Cor 5:17 we are new creations IN Christ. That is the Gospel!
@dogooda12 Matt 7:13 does not specify destruction in hell or eternal destruction. Take His words at face value, Jesus tells us that narrow is the path that leads to life and wide are the paths that leads to destruction. Jesus himself is the one and only way to life. Why did Jesus come to save us in the first place?? That's your answer; To save us from our sins. Without the cross we would ALL still be lost. We were not forgiven until He forgave us. Thats why He came. Not a waste of time.
@dogooda12 My friend, I have read all that Christ said and I have been forced to abandon my previous belief in hell fire and torture. I used to believe it becuase the church taught it. That was good enough for me. I now believe what the scripture says. I now reject the idea of Eternal Torture for the majority of God's children becuase its unscriptural. I reject pagan spin supported by poor translations inspired by yet more church spin. I accept the scripture at face value.
Oh dear. Read your Bible friend. Bill Wiese has many scriptures that speaks to the truth of Hell. Don't believe his testimony but go to the scripture. Laugh if you will but the truth is the truth. (Peter recognized Moses and Elijah[transfiguration] no one told him). Universalism is a clear denial of the plane truth of scripture.
this is a shame smh god gives so many scriptures and descriptions of hell and for you to mock a fellow christian brother of his testimony shows me your walk with the father smh ill be praying for you
why does he get off at denying the truth of a hell?my christian music was a beautifully sad background of cry for the fallin ways of mankind and me myself no one is righteous not one.only Jesus is righteous and He is the Judge..His blood atoned for our sins..lets worship with our lives shall we?
here we are in a time where, there is a lots and lots of people that are testifying to day, of the fact, that there is a hell. God is answering a lot of you people that say there is no hell. He has shown many many people.
It is not wise to throw out some ones witness, by what they have witnessed.
Jesus has not died for the sins of the world in vain. But if there was no need, why would he do it?
I don't know how people are coming to this conclusion, that read the bible. Jesus preached hell fire again and again.
John chapter 3, every one knows 3:16, but I would read the whole chapter. also the parable of the rich man and the poor man, the rich man was in hell, tormented in flame.
and He wanted some one to be sent from the dead, and here we are in a time, where Jesus has conquered death
@IwillhonorGod- I have had this debate with universalists. It's a waste of time to try and argue objectively. The truth escapes them. It really boggles the mind! Hell is clearly taught in scripture, but they deny the the truth.
@dogooda12 I am a Christian. I am not a Universalist any more than I am a Baptist. However, the concepts of Baptism and Universal Reconcilliation are Biblical. The pagan place of Eternal Torture called hell is not Biblical. Bill Wiese's account of hell is laughable. Even if I still believed in hell as a place of torture I could still easily detect the many falsehoods in his story. No matter what my beliefs of hell are, Wiese's story holds no water whatsoever. He is not good at lying.
@whiskeyfoxpix I too am a Christian. What I appreciate about Bill is that he is insistent about telling those who hear his testimony to search the scriptures just like the Berean Jews in Acts17:11-12. Sure his experience is subjective yes. But that does not discount the fact that hell is a scriptural reality. Purgatory is a false doctrine(Catholic)-Hades, Gehenna,Tartarus are not. We have courts that sentence and punish criminals. So it is, if we do not have Christ our advocate(lawyer). jn2:1-2
@dogooda12 I listen to Bill and he sounds like such a nice man. I alaways want to think well of others so its hard for me to voice my opposition. I just have to take a stand even if it makes me feel uncomfortable. His claims are more than subjective, they are contradictory and absurd. Its becuase I have searched the scriptures that I can make that statement. Thats why I MUST condemn his lies. I don't believe in purgatory either. We will ALL receive justice, eternal torture is not justice.
@whiskeyfoxpix Well I'm not going to debate a mans experience you can take it or leave it. The scriptures very clear. Man without Christ is lost and will perish. There would have to be some serious hermaneutical gymnastics going on to interpret Hell fire and torture out of the scripture. If I were to read the Bible without out side influence(eg. L. Ray Smith) I would have no choice but believe that Hell exists just as believe in 6 literal days of creation, or the bodily resurrection of Christ.
@dogooda12 Thats all fine brother. I don't want to debate it either. I reject what Bill said becuase I don't believe him at all. That's it for me. I hardly blame you for choosing to believe in a literal hell of eternal torture. You are in the good company of millions of genuine good hearted and true, fellow Christians, who believe poorly translated scripture twisted to suport church tradition. God bless you anyway for standing up to defend something that you believe is the Word of God.
@whiskeyfoxpix Thank you. It is for truth that I defend. I would say: you read the same Bible I do? With such textual evidence for the NT alone, what we have today is far greater accuracy. So to cast doubt on the scriptures(which Church influence do you refer?) in such away would allow you to interpret it any way you wish. I had many preconceived ideas until I started searching the scriptures.
@dogooda12 I prefer Young's Literal translation. I want to have the most accurate translation for the actual words of Moses, Jesus, Paul, etc. Unfaithfull translations of God's Word cannot be tolerated. I was very surprised to become aware of some translation mistakes. I used to firmly believe in the inerrancy of the KJV Bible. I now see that church tradition had a horrible influence on the way that certain words were translated. My loyalty is not to the translators, its to the Word.
@whiskeyfoxpix Yes i would agree with you there. Understanding the words in it's original languages is something i think is very important. Yes there are errors within most versions but they are fairly minor but it does not impede when comes to fundemental doctrines of orthodoxy. Eg.Virgin birth, Salvation through Christ alone, the resurrection, the coming of Christ. These are all intact. Which is why with the amount of textual evidence(manuscripts) We are can be confident in our translations
@dogooda12 I agree. I am not awarre of any translation errors regarding Virgin birth, Salvation through Christ alone, the resurrection, the coming of Christ, etc. The KJV and many others contain the Holy Words of God and are worthy instruments for Christians to learn about God. There are some translation errors regarding Hell and words like Forever but the minor twisting of some words has had a huge impact. I remain confidant in the Word of God, but not blind to horrible mistakes of men.
@dogooda12 P.S. You suggest that it would take hermaneitcal twisting to interpret hell and torture out of the Bible. I have discovered that it was translational twisting that put the idea into some translations in the first place. UN-twisting scripture to make key words conform to the original language of the men who first put pen to paper, untangles the idea of hell and provides a coherant message for the entire set of accepted books of the Bible. What a relief to hear the full "Gospel"
@whiskeyfoxpix How did you discover this? Tradition and orthodox scholarship would say otherwise. If you tell me your sources. I can pretty much tell you where you err. I subscribe to fine biblical scholarship such as Chuck Missler, john MacArthur just to name two.
@IwillhonorGod I never said there is no judgement. The Bible says there is. I just know that God's judgements are full of love, and correction. His mercy endures FOREVER. Judgement does not = eternal torture. Why did He make known to us the Good News? Why would He hide it? The Good News is that He died for the sins of the word and we are now forever reconciled. The Good News is not that He saved us from Eternal Torture. A few saved from torture is bad news for MOST, good for a few.
@whiskeyfoxpix I think you are confused a bit about what is good. By Gods standard none of us are good. we have all broken the law and all sinned. Jesus said, 17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good?[f] No one is good but One, that is, God.[g] But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
@whiskeyfoxpix the bible says forever a lot of times, I would read through all the places where it says that before you tell me, it will not be forever.
@whiskeyfoxpix I want some evidence from you...scriptural, or don't waste you breath. God is just, and those that reject mercy, God will honor that free will decision. For the sake of people like you, God has sent mary k baxter, telling her to write a book, a divine revelation of hell.
@IwillhonorGod I will offer scripture for any single point, one at a time so as not to confuse the discussion. Good for you to demand scripture.
God will honor a spiritualy insane mind that would choose eternal torture over an eternal relationship with Him? Why should He? Since when is the will of man stronger than the will of God? Salvation is a free gift and I will have to agree that I don't think God will force anyone to accept it. "Every knee will bow.." eventualy and willingly
@whiskeyfoxpix He should honor it because He gave people free will. It says in the scripture, it is appointed a man once to die and then the judgment. God has given free will, and He will honor free will. He will honor, the rejection of wisdom. very likely He will try to tell people again, and again, and again, while they are in the land of the living, because He does correct people.
@whiskeyfoxpix But regarding his Justice and judgment. those that reject God, and Reject Jesus. Jesus Blood is the only way in to heaven. by Jesus Blood there is only forgivness of sins.
@whiskeyfoxpix For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
@whiskeyfoxpix If you are going to say to me, if I remember this correctly, that hell is just a garbage dump. I would sure ask you about 2 peter where it talks about......for if God did not spare the angels who sinned, buy cast them down, to hell, and delivered them in to chains of darkness.....I would say, in a burning garbage dump, where is the chains of darkness?
@whiskeyfoxpix I think if you just take a read through Hebrews 11. And through as you read through the scriptures, just think about and consider, the concept of receiving by faith, and saving faith.
@whiskeyfoxpix 42 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—
@whiskeyfoxpix 44 where ‘ Their worm does not die And the fire is not quenched.’[d] 45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—
@whiskeyfoxpix 46 where ‘ Their worm does not die And the fire is not quenched.’[e] 47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where ‘ Their worm does not die And the fire is not quenched.’[f]
18 For[i] I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add[j] to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away[k] his part from the Book[l] of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
@whiskeyfoxpix it is kind of ringing in my spirit about the version bible you are using, that this is the problem in your understand about hell being a real burning place that is forever.
@whiskeyfoxpix The parable of the rich man and the poor man, also is told. many times the fire that is never quenched is talked about, and where the worm does not die.
you need to start taking this word NEVER seriously.
@IwillhonorGod You kind of shotgunned me with comments brother. I fear that if I try to answer one question you will ask another set of questions before I can give good answers to a single issue. Please give me one thing at a time and we can discuss them here or in private messeges. How about Bible versions? I use KJV, NIV, etc. but I have a fondness for Young's Lteral Translation. I will always prefer the literal Word of God or as close as we can get. Don't you think that's best?
@whiskeyfoxpix I have heard good things about that version, I know kenneth E Hagin used that one, along with the amplified. I have not read out of youngs, but I am convinced it is good. amplified I am convinced is good also.
as close as we can get, to the true meaning, that is what is best. I think so.
@IwillhonorGod You will not find Eternal Torture in Young's Literal Translation. I believe that certain other versions twisted certain words to support thier own church traditions of Eternal Torture. Find your favorite verse to support E.T. and then go to YLT and see what it says.
@sararudd92 What makes you think that? I don't believe in Bigfoot or flying saucers but I know people actualy see something. I am inclined to agree with you that the aliens people see might actualy be angels or spirits from another place or demension as you call it. People see ghosts too. They are not all liars. Most cases can be explained by natural phenomenom but some defy explanation. Just becuase we can't explain them does not mean there isnt a rational or spiritual explanation.
@whiskeyfoxpix All i know is that we all need salvation...i dont think anyones a liar i just think our spirit either goes to heaven or hell...and if your gonna be wicked and have uglyness in your heart then your going to hell...ghosts are demons trying to fool you...just please trust me satans trying to pull the wool over our eyes...especially with all this new age crap out their
@sararudd92 We agree. We all need salvation. Nobody on this world has a perfectly clean heart. If there is something bad in your heart should you be tortured forever in a burning lake of fire? We also agree that all the new Age stuff is a bunch of crap. I also agree that ghosts might just be demons trying to fool people into thinking they are dead people. The Bible is clear that when we die we go to the grave. Satan is trying to fool people into thinking we don't go to the grave and sleep.
@whiskeyfoxpix You took the words right out of my mouth....see and some people dont even think about that...they just wanna be ignorant forever i guess...the see the fun in that
@sararudd92 I am glad we agree on that. You don't also think that someone should be tortured forever if they have an imperfect heart do you? If it was in the scriptures I might believe it but its not there. I can tell some spooky ghost stories but I don't think any of them are dead people. I have even seen a ghost cat. LOL! I really did and I know it was not the spirit of a dead person or a dead cat. hah ha.
@whiskeyfoxpix I dont think they should be tortured if their heart is imperfect...people can always change...yeah i know animals wouldnt have spirits it dosnt say that in the bible...i think ghosts are demons and half the time they do wicked things...so im pretty sure they are demons...i may be only 18 but i know god is real i have ultimate faith
@whiskeyfoxpix Don't you ever think about God, and sin? and how God can not look away from sin? maybe you could look away from some thing you did not like to see, but God sees every thing. God is aware of every thing.
God has a burning anger for sin. BURNING!
consider this today, seeing all the sin in the world, of every one, through out time. what is going to happen to those that reject wisdom, discernment, and knowledge?
@IwillhonorGod Are you asking me how God is going to deal with stupid people? I think He will treat us all the same since none of us are very smart in His eyes.
@whiskeyfoxpix have you considered, that when God remembers sin, He remembers it perfectly? The memory does not fade, as it does with us. He does not forget why He is angry at these things, (sin).
@IwillhonorGod Some would point out Heb 10:17 "And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more". that is out of context and I think it refers to God not counting the sin anymore, not actual forgetfullness. How can any of us escape God's anger if we ALL have sinned and God recalls exactly what we ALL did? My answer is still found at CALVARY, 1 Timothy 4:10, John 3:16, etc.
@IwillhonorGod I was only telling you what some people say about God forgetting sin. Its not my opininon at all. Like I said, its out of context but some people use it anyway. I don't thiink God forgets anything. I think He chooses to hold us blameless for our sin becuase of the blood of Christ.
@whiskeyfoxpix you say, "We will ALL receive justice, eternal torture is not justice."
The scripture says, it is appointed a man once to die and then the judgment. The scripture says, the wages of sin is death.
John 3:16 says, For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that who so ever should believe in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
so since those that believe in Jesus don't perish, it is not talking about physical death, is it?
@IwillhonorGod Well? Do you think that Eternal Torture is an act of justice? We can't stand and judge God's methods even if we don't understand them or even if we think they might be wrong...However, a child can see that Eternal Torture is not JUSTICE, even for Hitler. If the Bible says that it IS justice then I choose to accept it even if I don't understand it. Thats what i did for YEARS. I was happy to learn that the Bible does NOT say that people will be tortured for eternity.
@whiskeyfoxpix It does not matter what I think, it only matters what God says and what the Word says, as that is the measuring rod, and not what I think, or what you think.
I think hell is brutal, beyond imagination really, but I trust in God's judgment and justice, and mercy also for those that will believe.
Once the judgment is set, it is set. concerning the time of the judgment, you should read your bible, I said it once, but the bible says forever and unquenchable a lot of times
@IwillhonorGod The majority of God's human creation are now counted as non-believers. Billions have lived that never heard the Word of God and had no opportunity to choose Jesus. Should they then be tortured for eternity? Some would be right to say that those people will receive judgements for the light that they receive or reject. I agree since I know we are all judged. I also believe that ALL were forgiven on Calvary. I still beleive that ALL will accept the truth, in thier proper order.
@whiskeyfoxpix He sure is not good at lying. He does not practice it. Now you say you are a christian....what the heck does that mean?
I would ask you first this, is God perfect? if He is not perfect, then He is not God. Now is God perfectly just? If He is not, then He is not God.
Now what is going to happen to people, that reject, Jesus blood for there sins? There is a sin debt to God, it is ether their soul, or Jesus blood, or why then, has Jesus died?
@IwillhonorGod When Bill Weise says that he went to Hell he is either lying or very confused. If he is lying he is not good at it. I am a Christian becuase I believe and follow Christ. Yes, God is perfect. The sin debt to God was paid in full for ALL men on Calvary. The Bible says so. Only acceptance remains. Jesus died to save us from our sin, that is why He decided to come to earth and die for us ALL, becuase He loves us ALL.and didn't want us to remain in that sin. Simple.
@IwillhonorGod I used to believe in a hell of eternal torture becuase that is what the church taught. I took it mostly on faith becuase the people I loved and trusted would never tell such a horrible story if it wasn't true. Throw in a few mistranslated words and I was convinced.that it was a fact. Once the truth was uncovered I did weigh it against scripture and was amazed that it all fit perfectly. There is no scriptural support for a Hell as described by Bill Weise. NONE.
@IwillhonorGod I became a Christian becuase I felt led by the Spirit to accept the free gift of salvation. I accepted the gift that was bought and paid for almost 2000 years before I was born. I knew I was a sinner and needed God in my life. I believed the words that were preached to me that Jesus loved me and died for me.
I read scripture every day. Not as much as I should but quality is always better than quantity.
@whiskeyfoxpix There is a lot of scriptures on hell. it says a lot of times in the bible, some thing like, where the fame never goes out, or where the flame is never quenched.
you better have some pretty good scripture to back up your claims, if you don't, don't waste your breath.
@IwillhonorGod I can back up what I believe and am not afraid at any truths I might learn that I don't know already. I welcome the idea learning more about the Word of God. How about you? Have you already made up your mind? Thats okay if you have becuase I too had once been sure of hell as a place of torture. I have been where you are now. The Bible changed my mind.
you mock this guy saying the sky line. and you mock that he said, that he was how much below the earth. I can understand what he means, how come you can not? How can you stumble over such a dumb little thing? Don't you get what he is talking about? don't you understand the purpose of the message? The bible says, what will a man give for his soul? The bible says, God is perfectly just, and there is a payment required for sins, and it says many people are going to hell. so what don't youunderstand
don't you think that there is some things that are going to be different in heaven and hell? What did it mean in the beginning when God separated light from darkness? could you understand what it would be like if they were not separated?
I don't think much of you people that mock God's people. If you are a christian, it looks like you have some sort of christian named web site up there, you better be giving your scriptures, and not your own opinion about this. Your mocking is not good to me.
@NoHellForeverandever I want scripture in context. Christians follow Christ or at least try to.
It is pretty simple to me, what is going to happen to people that reject, Jesus blood, the mercy of God, what is left to pay for there souls, but there souls. Righteouness, sin, and free will are some things for some one to look up.
It doesn't matter what people think HELL IS REAL. The devil is laughing at people who thinks it's fake. Good and evil Heaven and Hell. To be carnal minded is death
Mr L.Ray Smith is entitled to his opinion on a subject, just like all of us. mr Bill Wise had to him a real experience... No one can take that away from him with what they say about it, or what their opinion is about it. I'd like to know Mr Smith what your opinion about life is... Where did you come from? Where did the very first atom come from??? Instead of tearing down other people's experiences, why don't you put up some of your own???
"The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love." 1Jn.4:8
Why do I get the impression you have no LOVE? You come one here cussing, calling names etc etc.....Neither I nor anyone here has insulted you in ANY way whatsoever. It's very obvious your heart is full of hate. I WILL NOT, AND NEVER WILL speak the things you say to ANYONE! Your words are obvious to ANYONE you you serve. I will not read no more comments from you. They are nothing but a waste of time.
Polybius (120 BC) said since the multitude is ever fickle, full of lawless desires, irrational passions, and violence there is no other way to keep them in order but by the fear and terror of the invisible world.
The Christian philosopher Origen (AD 230) said that literal terrors of hell were false, but they ought to be publicized in order to scare simple believers in order to keep them from evil deeds.
u are without a doubt the biggest dumbest fucking worthless neysaying piece of trash ive ever herd in my entire life......i know god doesnt need me to defend an honest mans word from a moron but i cant help it.......u spew ur ignorance like fire.....u just cant except somthing that ur pathetic little ant mind cant comprehend.......u fucking waste of life puke.........hope u wake up n smell the coffee asshole or ull regret it in the long run.........i hope u can join the rest of civilization
The NDE's are quite convincing I can't find peace with this subject I get paranoid everytime I see the Hell word are picture of fire or wat ever it increases my Hate for God, he's the one who belongs in Hell not us
The internet is full of the rantings of evil shits who claim to be christians. All they are doing is preying on the old and sick in this world.
Whatever you perception of god might be these parasites on our emotions and primeval fears have nothing to do with it. In another time they would have been burning children at the stake for their own good.
Have a very happy new year and may your god, whatever you perceive him to be, be with you.
Why is it that everytime Someone has a NDE of Hell, each testimony is diffrent from the other?????? It's a ballox, it is further Proof that God is a God of Hate and not love
The Bible says the wicked suffer "death" Rom 6:23, will suffer destruction Job21:30, shall perish Ps 37:20, will burn up Mal 4:1, shall be destroyed together Ps 37:38), consume away Ps 37:20, shall be cut off Ps 37:9, be slain Ps 62:3. God will destroy them Ps 145:20,fire shall devour them Ps 21:9. If u’r dog pooped in the corner, would u beat it for a whole year, month, week, day, hour. NO u wouldn't , u, a sinner, make u’r self more merciful to a dog than God to His creatures He created.
elwoodmorine 2 weeks ago
Love never fails. God will never fail. If He truly loves people, He wouldn't torture them for all of eternity. Love & eternal torment cannot go together. God is just, yes, but He is not cruel.
1 Tim 4:10- This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers.
1 John 2:2- He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world.
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whatthehellbook 3 months ago
Bill said that he didn,t understand where he was??????? but your senses are keenr your aware of much more???? this is a CONTRADICTION! people wake up!!!
timsh6 6 months ago
Bill weise did in fact say that it,s so dark in Hell than you cannot see.
timsh6 6 months ago
DEUTORONOMY 29:23:
timsh6 6 months ago
The description is borrowed from the local features of the Dead Sea and its vicinity. The towns of the vale of Siddim were fertile and well watered (compare Genesis 13:10) until devastated by the wrath of God Genesis 19:24-25. The ruin of Israel and its land should be of the like sort (compare Leviticus 26:31-32; Psalm 107:34; Zephaniah 2:9). The desolate state of Palestine at present, and the traces of former fertility and prosperity, are attested by every traveler
timsh6 6 months ago
does anyone believe Timothy 4:4?
timsh6 6 months ago
The Core
The inner part of the earth is the core. This part of the earth is about 1,800 miles (2,900 km) below the earth's surface. The core is a dense ball of the elements iron and nickel. It is divided into two layers, the inner core and the outer core. The inner core - the center of earth - is solid and about 780 miles (1,250 km ) thick
timsh6 6 months ago
@timsh6 and 3700 miles down also ???
timsh6 6 months ago
so where Bill wiese was it was onyl 300 degrees? wow!
timsh6 6 months ago
They prophesy to you a false vision and a worthless divination, and a thing of no value, and the deceit of their heart." (Jer14:14
timsh6 6 months ago
This guy really thinks he's a funny genius, all he did was make retarded comments and get technical on the meanings of words. What a idiot
bopityboi 6 months ago
Go see it for yourself idiot if your so confident, by the sound of your voice you have smokers lungs
bopityboi 6 months ago
@bopityboi that sounds christianlike
timsh6 6 months ago
@timsh6 i really dont care. I like how he can bash everything but when he gets bashed people defend him. hes just a old lonely troll
bopityboi 6 months ago
@bopityboi bashed for telling the truth and exposing liars is not a bad thing
timsh6 6 months ago
@bopityboi or should i rather say is it bad to expose those who clearly contradcit themelves? you know those who can,t keep teir story straight and for some odd reason the stories seem to change and not stay the same ,sounds suspicious imo
timsh6 6 months ago
Acts 20:30
King James Version (KJV) 30Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them
timsh6 6 months ago
and jonah was in the bell of the whale for 3 days not in Hell,and then later was spewed out of the whales mouth ,read your bible
timsh6 6 months ago
hells not in the middle of the earth!!!
if it was we could dig our way there!
xDan1997 6 months ago
Jesus allowed him to see many elements of Hell, do not mock to word of God which speaks of Hell or you may end up there! Look i dont want there to be a hell either but our lord is very clear Luke 12:5
But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Mark 9:48 “where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched”
Revelation 14:10 “he will be tormented with fire and brimstone”
is Jesus your savior?
MrSlippin22 6 months ago
@MrSlippin22 you think you have all the answers,but imo you,re no different than most christians out there who know one thing and one thing only and that,s the traditions of men. The true church is the remnant and there,s onlt a few of them left ,are you a part of this church?
timsh6 6 months ago
there will be a lake of fire and the bible tells us that the wicked will be destroyed both body and soul,be brought to ashes,will be no more,time to wake up and take those traditional blinders off and rather than follow popular church doctrine ,follw what he bible teaches instead. you hear me WAKE UP MR SLIPP,N WAKE UP!!!!!!
timsh6 6 months ago
@MrSlippin22 and whn is judgement day ,has it happened yet?
timsh6 6 months ago
this dude is really and idiot.
ChrisPargon 8 months ago
@ChrisPargon he,s and idiot?
timsh6 6 months ago
@timsh6 ya, he is
ChrisPargon 6 months ago
The bible does teach there is a hell.It's not a literal place of fiery torment-some assumed this,by lack of further investigation A righteous man Job actually prayed to go to hell. It must mean something else, then.Ok, look up Job 14:13(40% way in bible)-O that in She'ol (the grave) you would conceal me. It's a place of inactivity: Psalms 6:5; Eccleciastes 9:10; Isaiah 38:18,19. Jesus was raised from grave=hell: Acts2:27,31,32. Hell will deliver up other dead, be destroyed: Revelation 20:13,14
eternityandforever 8 months ago
If you keep this video up criticizing God's Word you will get to see Hell and know for sure.
MichaelChapala 8 months ago
Do you believe in genocidal aliens comming behind a comet by any chance. It was a good plot for transformers. Not my faith in my creater.
shawn7902 9 months ago
This story frightenes all gods children. So far all I can see you've nailed him for is saying "skyline" should have said horizon. That's all I agree with you so far. Every scape has a horizon
shawn7902 9 months ago
did satan make this video..go to church man
ReALesTVIDEO562 9 months ago
isnt smog a form of moshter.i read someone said that the walls were slitley damp.hello...
LionZion00 10 months ago
Sir you may need to read the Bible with an open heart and find out about this horrible place call hell. But overall, I pray that you finds the one that loves YOU so much that doesn’t want you to end there.
Sir, His name is JESUS!
raquelorachel 1 year ago
@raquelorachel EXPOSINGCHRISTIANITY,COM
hailtosatansvictory8 8 months ago
He probably at first was taken with the revelation of the author, but he let fear and disbelieve get him critical. To me his voice sounds like someone that is scared and is trying to find little thing to denied the reality of such horrible place. He sounds not sure of where he is going to be for eternity.
raquelorachel 1 year ago
This man is acting like a fool, bless his soul. He doesn’t know the difference between the natural and the supernatural. It’s like Moses and the red sea; it is naturally impossible for Moses to part the waters, but in the supernatural all this are possible. This man can’t see, because it takes revelation and an open heart to believe God.
raquelorachel 1 year ago
this man is lost.
TheRedComet777 1 year ago
HOW DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS YOU HAVENT BEEN TO HELL SO STOP TRYIN TO MAKE FUN OF THE MAN WHO HAS REALLY BEEN THERE
pinknpretty3000 1 year ago
@mcmorma Only white people believe in hell? Go tell that Creflo Dollar.
cumbco 1 year ago
I dont know who this guy is but he dosnt stop to think that maybe god let him see the skyline...or that everyones spirits are their so their is no life...he dosnt even think about it...
sararudd92 1 year ago
@sararudd92 There's no sky in the middle of the earth.
NoHellForeverandever 1 year ago
@sararudd92 dude i totaly agreee with you. i wached 1 minute and 30 seconds and i thought "WOW.tis guy is an idiot."
ChrisPargon 8 months ago
@ChrisPargon Yeah i agree...
sararudd92 8 months ago
@sararudd92 and what about the glass of water? who went and grabbed him a glass of water?,at first after his wife calmed him down he got up she said and "ran to the kitchen for a glass of water". and in another video she gives the same account and says "Bill asked for a glass of water and i went and got it for him" hmmmm?????
timsh6 6 months ago
@timsh6 You gotta be freakin kidding me....this isnt even a valid argument.....ONE little thing he said he prob dosnt remember because he was so scared he dosnt remember if he got the water or his wife....the one i saw said his wife got it for him, i would be so scared talking about just coming out of hell, im sure it would be hard to remember one little detail as to who got him water...my gosh
sararudd92 6 months ago
@sararudd92 you need to find better ways to spend your time!
timsh6 6 months ago
@sararudd92 perhaps you should listen better,that is not the only flawe in his story,His wife also stated that whn she foud Bill he was literally traumatised,and prior to this he said that he prayed to God to take the trauma away and he did,and this was before his wife arrived.c,mon now use your head.
timsh6 6 months ago
@timsh6 He prayed to God, then when she found him she prayed for him too and thats when he came out of it....He said God lifted some of the pain away so that it wasnt all felt....but he never said he took him out of it completely
sararudd92 6 months ago
@sararudd92 he said that God left the memory and took away the trauma after he prayed the last i knew.
timsh6 6 months ago
@sararudd92 according to what i have read it says that he prayed to God to take away the trauma and god removed it instantly,but left him the memory.
timsh6 6 months ago
@sararudd92 ok what i,m trying to tell you is that Bills wife Annette is telling the story here of the same account and in two different videos she says two different things video 1 " i got him a glass of water" in another video" bill got up and ran into the kitchen for a glas of water huh????? now c,mon people!
timsh6 6 months ago
@timsh6 Maybe he got some water and she got some for him too
sararudd92 6 months ago
@sararudd92 no that was not how it happened according to Ray, she said in the first video that after she calmed him down Bill got up and ran to the kitchen for a glass of water,and in a seperate video she gave the same account and said that after Bill calmed down he asked her for a glass of water and she went and got it for him.
timsh6 6 months ago
@sararudd92 and what aboutt he glass of water and remember this ,this is his wife by the way giving the account not Bill she said in one video that as soon as she calmed Bill down he got up an ran to the kitchen for a glass of water,and in another video she giving th same account says this "Bill asked for a glass of water and i went and got it for him" theses are two different stories!
timsh6 6 months ago
I do think the way he quotes scripture is odd, but don't you think that he believes what he is saying is true?
snoopval 1 year ago
God loves us all...no matter what you have done...his understanding is unphathomable...and he wants us all to be in heaven with him...god bless everyone if anyone ever wants prayer just let me know...
sararudd92 1 year ago
@noHellForeverandever is it possible that god gave him the scenery and where does it say that sodom and gomorrah are or are not in hell??
jo3jo3221 1 year ago
Whats crazy is the narrow path is LITERALLY a path just like the fire, don't go down the wide path duh, PROBLEM SOLVED no one else has to go to hell now.
tienen23 1 year ago
"Do we become Christians to escape hell or is it a desire to accept a God's love? The point of becoming a Christian is love. It's not about escaping hell or earning or deserving our way out of punishment. None deserve the sacrifice that Christ made." I agree with that. But escaping Hell is a bonus thrown in. I believe Eph 2:8-10 by grace we are saved...this does not negate the reality of Hell. I am amazed that we are even having this discussion! I have had before. It saddens me.
dogooda12 1 year ago
@dogooda12 I too am sad about it but NOT surprised. I agree that our personal beliefs do not negate the truth of the real hell whatever it is. (we only disagree on what it is) The truth remains the truth no matter what we choose to believe. As believing Christians our destination is not hell no matter what it is.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
So you would have us supping with Hitler, Stalin, Jack the ripper & co? Unless we are annihilated-cease to exist after we die. If that's the case what is the point in living a Christian life. Whats the point in living period? Mans nature is rotten to the core( thanks Adam) Jesus is the last Adam through him we have redemption. If you read what Christ said about hell at face value there is no denying it's existence.
dogooda12 1 year ago
@dogooda12 They were sinners but God forgave them at Calvary. Do you think God made a mistake? We are all sinners. Christ's blood is stronger than any sin. Still..They must accept Jesus and believe before they can receive thier free gift. Do we become Christians to escape hell or is it a desire to accept a God's love? The point of becoming a Christian is love. It's not about escaping hell or earning or deserving our way out of punishment. None deserve the sacrifice that Christ made.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix I agree that the blood of Jesus is the only cleansing agent for a sin-sick soul. But one is not saved by osmosis. You must believe on the Lord Jesus to be saved(Rom 10:5-17I suggest reading the entire book of Romans it's awesome!) God does not make mistakes, Christ was slain from the earths foundation. he'd already made provision for us. I revel in the grace of God and it is His gentleness that leads to repentance. It is at the cross where love and justice meet.
dogooda12 1 year ago
@dogooda12 I don't think I can find anything to disagree with you on this post. Although we were all forgiven on Calvary, ALL must accept the free gift. God didn't ask our permission to forgive us but how can we enjoy the gift unless we accept it? The forgiveness is not conditional. God chose us, we don't choose Him but our acceptance of the fact MUST be accepted by ALL in thier proper order. No need to force acceptance, it will become obvious. No salvation by osmosis.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Yes ALL must accept but many will not. Narrow road and the broadroad(Matt713). I agree that forgiveness is for all mankind. Jesus came to seek and save the lost. But if ALL peoples were to be ultimately saved. then why did Christ come in the first place? Seems like a cosmic waste of time. We are rebels totally depraved in our Adamic nature. Without Christ we will remain in our sins. The wages of sin is death. 2 Cor 5:17 we are new creations IN Christ. That is the Gospel!
dogooda12 1 year ago
@dogooda12 Matt 7:13 does not specify destruction in hell or eternal destruction. Take His words at face value, Jesus tells us that narrow is the path that leads to life and wide are the paths that leads to destruction. Jesus himself is the one and only way to life. Why did Jesus come to save us in the first place?? That's your answer; To save us from our sins. Without the cross we would ALL still be lost. We were not forgiven until He forgave us. Thats why He came. Not a waste of time.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@dogooda12 My friend, I have read all that Christ said and I have been forced to abandon my previous belief in hell fire and torture. I used to believe it becuase the church taught it. That was good enough for me. I now believe what the scripture says. I now reject the idea of Eternal Torture for the majority of God's children becuase its unscriptural. I reject pagan spin supported by poor translations inspired by yet more church spin. I accept the scripture at face value.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
Oh dear. Read your Bible friend. Bill Wiese has many scriptures that speaks to the truth of Hell. Don't believe his testimony but go to the scripture. Laugh if you will but the truth is the truth. (Peter recognized Moses and Elijah[transfiguration] no one told him). Universalism is a clear denial of the plane truth of scripture.
dogooda12 1 year ago
I wonder how many people have seen Constantine that's a good movie with hell in it.
tienen23 1 year ago
this is a shame smh god gives so many scriptures and descriptions of hell and for you to mock a fellow christian brother of his testimony shows me your walk with the father smh ill be praying for you
bryantp18 1 year ago
@bryantp18 A brothers testimony? There's no sky in the middle ot the earth.
NoHellForeverandever 1 year ago
why does he get off at denying the truth of a hell?my christian music was a beautifully sad background of cry for the fallin ways of mankind and me myself no one is righteous not one.only Jesus is righteous and He is the Judge..His blood atoned for our sins..lets worship with our lives shall we?
jgilbert888 1 year ago
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HeadbangingDude2011 1 year ago
there is the parable with jonah, and the scripture says, what does it mean that He ascended, but that he first descended.
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
here we are in a time where, there is a lots and lots of people that are testifying to day, of the fact, that there is a hell. God is answering a lot of you people that say there is no hell. He has shown many many people.
It is not wise to throw out some ones witness, by what they have witnessed.
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
Jesus has not died for the sins of the world in vain. But if there was no need, why would he do it?
I don't know how people are coming to this conclusion, that read the bible. Jesus preached hell fire again and again.
John chapter 3, every one knows 3:16, but I would read the whole chapter. also the parable of the rich man and the poor man, the rich man was in hell, tormented in flame.
and He wanted some one to be sent from the dead, and here we are in a time, where Jesus has conquered death
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@IwillhonorGod- I have had this debate with universalists. It's a waste of time to try and argue objectively. The truth escapes them. It really boggles the mind! Hell is clearly taught in scripture, but they deny the the truth.
dogooda12 1 year ago
@dogooda12 I am a Christian. I am not a Universalist any more than I am a Baptist. However, the concepts of Baptism and Universal Reconcilliation are Biblical. The pagan place of Eternal Torture called hell is not Biblical. Bill Wiese's account of hell is laughable. Even if I still believed in hell as a place of torture I could still easily detect the many falsehoods in his story. No matter what my beliefs of hell are, Wiese's story holds no water whatsoever. He is not good at lying.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix I too am a Christian. What I appreciate about Bill is that he is insistent about telling those who hear his testimony to search the scriptures just like the Berean Jews in Acts17:11-12. Sure his experience is subjective yes. But that does not discount the fact that hell is a scriptural reality. Purgatory is a false doctrine(Catholic)-Hades, Gehenna,Tartarus are not. We have courts that sentence and punish criminals. So it is, if we do not have Christ our advocate(lawyer). jn2:1-2
dogooda12 1 year ago
@dogooda12 I listen to Bill and he sounds like such a nice man. I alaways want to think well of others so its hard for me to voice my opposition. I just have to take a stand even if it makes me feel uncomfortable. His claims are more than subjective, they are contradictory and absurd. Its becuase I have searched the scriptures that I can make that statement. Thats why I MUST condemn his lies. I don't believe in purgatory either. We will ALL receive justice, eternal torture is not justice.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Well I'm not going to debate a mans experience you can take it or leave it. The scriptures very clear. Man without Christ is lost and will perish. There would have to be some serious hermaneutical gymnastics going on to interpret Hell fire and torture out of the scripture. If I were to read the Bible without out side influence(eg. L. Ray Smith) I would have no choice but believe that Hell exists just as believe in 6 literal days of creation, or the bodily resurrection of Christ.
dogooda12 1 year ago
@dogooda12 Thats all fine brother. I don't want to debate it either. I reject what Bill said becuase I don't believe him at all. That's it for me. I hardly blame you for choosing to believe in a literal hell of eternal torture. You are in the good company of millions of genuine good hearted and true, fellow Christians, who believe poorly translated scripture twisted to suport church tradition. God bless you anyway for standing up to defend something that you believe is the Word of God.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Thank you. It is for truth that I defend. I would say: you read the same Bible I do? With such textual evidence for the NT alone, what we have today is far greater accuracy. So to cast doubt on the scriptures(which Church influence do you refer?) in such away would allow you to interpret it any way you wish. I had many preconceived ideas until I started searching the scriptures.
dogooda12 1 year ago
@dogooda12 I prefer Young's Literal translation. I want to have the most accurate translation for the actual words of Moses, Jesus, Paul, etc. Unfaithfull translations of God's Word cannot be tolerated. I was very surprised to become aware of some translation mistakes. I used to firmly believe in the inerrancy of the KJV Bible. I now see that church tradition had a horrible influence on the way that certain words were translated. My loyalty is not to the translators, its to the Word.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Yes i would agree with you there. Understanding the words in it's original languages is something i think is very important. Yes there are errors within most versions but they are fairly minor but it does not impede when comes to fundemental doctrines of orthodoxy. Eg.Virgin birth, Salvation through Christ alone, the resurrection, the coming of Christ. These are all intact. Which is why with the amount of textual evidence(manuscripts) We are can be confident in our translations
dogooda12 1 year ago
@dogooda12 I agree. I am not awarre of any translation errors regarding Virgin birth, Salvation through Christ alone, the resurrection, the coming of Christ, etc. The KJV and many others contain the Holy Words of God and are worthy instruments for Christians to learn about God. There are some translation errors regarding Hell and words like Forever but the minor twisting of some words has had a huge impact. I remain confidant in the Word of God, but not blind to horrible mistakes of men.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@dogooda12 P.S. You suggest that it would take hermaneitcal twisting to interpret hell and torture out of the Bible. I have discovered that it was translational twisting that put the idea into some translations in the first place. UN-twisting scripture to make key words conform to the original language of the men who first put pen to paper, untangles the idea of hell and provides a coherant message for the entire set of accepted books of the Bible. What a relief to hear the full "Gospel"
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix How did you discover this? Tradition and orthodox scholarship would say otherwise. If you tell me your sources. I can pretty much tell you where you err. I subscribe to fine biblical scholarship such as Chuck Missler, john MacArthur just to name two.
dogooda12 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix you talk about the gospel, aka the good news, and you talk about salvation.
and if you believe God is perfect, then why did He make known to us this good news? And what need is there for salvation, if there is no judgment?
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@IwillhonorGod I never said there is no judgement. The Bible says there is. I just know that God's judgements are full of love, and correction. His mercy endures FOREVER. Judgement does not = eternal torture. Why did He make known to us the Good News? Why would He hide it? The Good News is that He died for the sins of the word and we are now forever reconciled. The Good News is not that He saved us from Eternal Torture. A few saved from torture is bad news for MOST, good for a few.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix I think you are confused a bit about what is good. By Gods standard none of us are good. we have all broken the law and all sinned. Jesus said, 17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good?[f] No one is good but One, that is, God.[g] But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix the bible says forever a lot of times, I would read through all the places where it says that before you tell me, it will not be forever.
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix I want some evidence from you...scriptural, or don't waste you breath. God is just, and those that reject mercy, God will honor that free will decision. For the sake of people like you, God has sent mary k baxter, telling her to write a book, a divine revelation of hell.
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@IwillhonorGod I will offer scripture for any single point, one at a time so as not to confuse the discussion. Good for you to demand scripture.
God will honor a spiritualy insane mind that would choose eternal torture over an eternal relationship with Him? Why should He? Since when is the will of man stronger than the will of God? Salvation is a free gift and I will have to agree that I don't think God will force anyone to accept it. "Every knee will bow.." eventualy and willingly
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix He should honor it because He gave people free will. It says in the scripture, it is appointed a man once to die and then the judgment. God has given free will, and He will honor free will. He will honor, the rejection of wisdom. very likely He will try to tell people again, and again, and again, while they are in the land of the living, because He does correct people.
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix But regarding his Justice and judgment. those that reject God, and Reject Jesus. Jesus Blood is the only way in to heaven. by Jesus Blood there is only forgivness of sins.
John the 3:16 says it good.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that who so ever believes in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.
people always miss that though,....that who so ever believes, but what then? what about those that don't believe?
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
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@whiskeyfoxpix For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix If you are going to say to me, if I remember this correctly, that hell is just a garbage dump. I would sure ask you about 2 peter where it talks about......for if God did not spare the angels who sinned, buy cast them down, to hell, and delivered them in to chains of darkness.....I would say, in a burning garbage dump, where is the chains of darkness?
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix 2 peter 2 is a good chapter to take a look through, also Hebrews 11, the great faith chapter.
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix I think if you just take a read through Hebrews 11. And through as you read through the scriptures, just think about and consider, the concept of receiving by faith, and saving faith.
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix 42 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix 44 where ‘ Their worm does not die And the fire is not quenched.’[d] 45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix 46 where ‘ Their worm does not die And the fire is not quenched.’[e] 47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where ‘ Their worm does not die And the fire is not quenched.’[f]
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix that is out of mark 9 by the way, sorry, usually I give the scripture reference first.
Jesus said never.
also, I should let you know, this is out of the new king james version bible, which I would recommend, also kjv.
But NIV I would not recommend, because of all the verses that they have removed, and they have removed a lot.
The scripture warns about that, in revelation, if I remember rightly.
revelation 22:18
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix
Revelation 22:18
18 For[i] I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add[j] to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away[k] his part from the Book[l] of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix it is kind of ringing in my spirit about the version bible you are using, that this is the problem in your understand about hell being a real burning place that is forever.
Is it a NIV? What version bible are you using?
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix The parable of the rich man and the poor man, also is told. many times the fire that is never quenched is talked about, and where the worm does not die.
you need to start taking this word NEVER seriously.
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@IwillhonorGod You kind of shotgunned me with comments brother. I fear that if I try to answer one question you will ask another set of questions before I can give good answers to a single issue. Please give me one thing at a time and we can discuss them here or in private messeges. How about Bible versions? I use KJV, NIV, etc. but I have a fondness for Young's Lteral Translation. I will always prefer the literal Word of God or as close as we can get. Don't you think that's best?
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix I have heard good things about that version, I know kenneth E Hagin used that one, along with the amplified. I have not read out of youngs, but I am convinced it is good. amplified I am convinced is good also.
as close as we can get, to the true meaning, that is what is best. I think so.
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@IwillhonorGod You will not find Eternal Torture in Young's Literal Translation. I believe that certain other versions twisted certain words to support thier own church traditions of Eternal Torture. Find your favorite verse to support E.T. and then go to YLT and see what it says.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix I think hell is another dimension and i think the real aliens are the angels...
sararudd92 1 year ago
@sararudd92 What makes you think that? I don't believe in Bigfoot or flying saucers but I know people actualy see something. I am inclined to agree with you that the aliens people see might actualy be angels or spirits from another place or demension as you call it. People see ghosts too. They are not all liars. Most cases can be explained by natural phenomenom but some defy explanation. Just becuase we can't explain them does not mean there isnt a rational or spiritual explanation.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix All i know is that we all need salvation...i dont think anyones a liar i just think our spirit either goes to heaven or hell...and if your gonna be wicked and have uglyness in your heart then your going to hell...ghosts are demons trying to fool you...just please trust me satans trying to pull the wool over our eyes...especially with all this new age crap out their
sararudd92 1 year ago
@sararudd92 We agree. We all need salvation. Nobody on this world has a perfectly clean heart. If there is something bad in your heart should you be tortured forever in a burning lake of fire? We also agree that all the new Age stuff is a bunch of crap. I also agree that ghosts might just be demons trying to fool people into thinking they are dead people. The Bible is clear that when we die we go to the grave. Satan is trying to fool people into thinking we don't go to the grave and sleep.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix You took the words right out of my mouth....see and some people dont even think about that...they just wanna be ignorant forever i guess...the see the fun in that
sararudd92 1 year ago
@sararudd92 I am glad we agree on that. You don't also think that someone should be tortured forever if they have an imperfect heart do you? If it was in the scriptures I might believe it but its not there. I can tell some spooky ghost stories but I don't think any of them are dead people. I have even seen a ghost cat. LOL! I really did and I know it was not the spirit of a dead person or a dead cat. hah ha.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix I dont think they should be tortured if their heart is imperfect...people can always change...yeah i know animals wouldnt have spirits it dosnt say that in the bible...i think ghosts are demons and half the time they do wicked things...so im pretty sure they are demons...i may be only 18 but i know god is real i have ultimate faith
sararudd92 1 year ago
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@whiskeyfoxpix God says what HE means, and means what He says.
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Don't you ever think about God, and sin? and how God can not look away from sin? maybe you could look away from some thing you did not like to see, but God sees every thing. God is aware of every thing.
God has a burning anger for sin. BURNING!
consider this today, seeing all the sin in the world, of every one, through out time. what is going to happen to those that reject wisdom, discernment, and knowledge?
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@IwillhonorGod Are you asking me how God is going to deal with stupid people? I think He will treat us all the same since none of us are very smart in His eyes.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix choice silver
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix have you considered, that when God remembers sin, He remembers it perfectly? The memory does not fade, as it does with us. He does not forget why He is angry at these things, (sin).
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@IwillhonorGod Some would point out Heb 10:17 "And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more". that is out of context and I think it refers to God not counting the sin anymore, not actual forgetfullness. How can any of us escape God's anger if we ALL have sinned and God recalls exactly what we ALL did? My answer is still found at CALVARY, 1 Timothy 4:10, John 3:16, etc.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Can people have faith in some thing they have not heard about?
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix those that are forgiven ya I am pretty sure some where it talks about a sea of forgetfulness.
your Hebrews quote does not seem right, I read through it.
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@IwillhonorGod I was only telling you what some people say about God forgetting sin. Its not my opininon at all. Like I said, its out of context but some people use it anyway. I don't thiink God forgets anything. I think He chooses to hold us blameless for our sin becuase of the blood of Christ.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix you say, "We will ALL receive justice, eternal torture is not justice."
The scripture says, it is appointed a man once to die and then the judgment. The scripture says, the wages of sin is death.
John 3:16 says, For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that who so ever should believe in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
so since those that believe in Jesus don't perish, it is not talking about physical death, is it?
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@IwillhonorGod Well? Do you think that Eternal Torture is an act of justice? We can't stand and judge God's methods even if we don't understand them or even if we think they might be wrong...However, a child can see that Eternal Torture is not JUSTICE, even for Hitler. If the Bible says that it IS justice then I choose to accept it even if I don't understand it. Thats what i did for YEARS. I was happy to learn that the Bible does NOT say that people will be tortured for eternity.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix It does not matter what I think, it only matters what God says and what the Word says, as that is the measuring rod, and not what I think, or what you think.
I think hell is brutal, beyond imagination really, but I trust in God's judgment and justice, and mercy also for those that will believe.
Once the judgment is set, it is set. concerning the time of the judgment, you should read your bible, I said it once, but the bible says forever and unquenchable a lot of times
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix What about unbelievers then? and those that are perishing?
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@IwillhonorGod The majority of God's human creation are now counted as non-believers. Billions have lived that never heard the Word of God and had no opportunity to choose Jesus. Should they then be tortured for eternity? Some would be right to say that those people will receive judgements for the light that they receive or reject. I agree since I know we are all judged. I also believe that ALL were forgiven on Calvary. I still beleive that ALL will accept the truth, in thier proper order.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix we are saved through faith...and you can not have faith in some thing you have not heard of.
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix He sure is not good at lying. He does not practice it. Now you say you are a christian....what the heck does that mean?
I would ask you first this, is God perfect? if He is not perfect, then He is not God. Now is God perfectly just? If He is not, then He is not God.
Now what is going to happen to people, that reject, Jesus blood for there sins? There is a sin debt to God, it is ether their soul, or Jesus blood, or why then, has Jesus died?
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@IwillhonorGod When Bill Weise says that he went to Hell he is either lying or very confused. If he is lying he is not good at it. I am a Christian becuase I believe and follow Christ. Yes, God is perfect. The sin debt to God was paid in full for ALL men on Calvary. The Bible says so. Only acceptance remains. Jesus died to save us from our sin, that is why He decided to come to earth and die for us ALL, becuase He loves us ALL.and didn't want us to remain in that sin. Simple.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Have you ever thought about hell? by the scriptures, it says it is in the earth.
have you ever thought, about why the earth is so hot on the inside? at the core?
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@IwillhonorGod I used to believe in a hell of eternal torture becuase that is what the church taught. I took it mostly on faith becuase the people I loved and trusted would never tell such a horrible story if it wasn't true. Throw in a few mistranslated words and I was convinced.that it was a fact. Once the truth was uncovered I did weigh it against scripture and was amazed that it all fit perfectly. There is no scriptural support for a Hell as described by Bill Weise. NONE.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix and why have you become a christian? I would like to know how much bible you have read in the last week..?
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@IwillhonorGod I became a Christian becuase I felt led by the Spirit to accept the free gift of salvation. I accepted the gift that was bought and paid for almost 2000 years before I was born. I knew I was a sinner and needed God in my life. I believed the words that were preached to me that Jesus loved me and died for me.
I read scripture every day. Not as much as I should but quality is always better than quantity.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
@whiskeyfoxpix There is a lot of scriptures on hell. it says a lot of times in the bible, some thing like, where the fame never goes out, or where the flame is never quenched.
you better have some pretty good scripture to back up your claims, if you don't, don't waste your breath.
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@IwillhonorGod I can back up what I believe and am not afraid at any truths I might learn that I don't know already. I welcome the idea learning more about the Word of God. How about you? Have you already made up your mind? Thats okay if you have becuase I too had once been sure of hell as a place of torture. I have been where you are now. The Bible changed my mind.
whiskeyfoxpix 1 year ago
Yeah i agree. Thats your reason in life if you just mock Gods people.
Gordovince 1 year ago
you mock this guy saying the sky line. and you mock that he said, that he was how much below the earth. I can understand what he means, how come you can not? How can you stumble over such a dumb little thing? Don't you get what he is talking about? don't you understand the purpose of the message? The bible says, what will a man give for his soul? The bible says, God is perfectly just, and there is a payment required for sins, and it says many people are going to hell. so what don't youunderstand
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
don't you think that there is some things that are going to be different in heaven and hell? What did it mean in the beginning when God separated light from darkness? could you understand what it would be like if they were not separated?
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
I don't think much of you people that mock God's people. If you are a christian, it looks like you have some sort of christian named web site up there, you better be giving your scriptures, and not your own opinion about this. Your mocking is not good to me.
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
@IwillhonorGod He has a 100 page article debunking this crap on his "some sort of christian website". You want scipture? Go read the article.
NoHellForeverandever 1 year ago
@NoHellForeverandever I want scripture in context. Christians follow Christ or at least try to.
It is pretty simple to me, what is going to happen to people that reject, Jesus blood, the mercy of God, what is left to pay for there souls, but there souls. Righteouness, sin, and free will are some things for some one to look up.
IwillhonorGod 1 year ago
It doesn't matter what people think HELL IS REAL. The devil is laughing at people who thinks it's fake. Good and evil Heaven and Hell. To be carnal minded is death
mickeymouseusa 1 year ago
Mr L.Ray Smith is entitled to his opinion on a subject, just like all of us. mr Bill Wise had to him a real experience... No one can take that away from him with what they say about it, or what their opinion is about it. I'd like to know Mr Smith what your opinion about life is... Where did you come from? Where did the very first atom come from??? Instead of tearing down other people's experiences, why don't you put up some of your own???
:o)
joshsamandy 1 year ago
"The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love." 1Jn.4:8
Why do I get the impression you have no LOVE? You come one here cussing, calling names etc etc.....Neither I nor anyone here has insulted you in ANY way whatsoever. It's very obvious your heart is full of hate. I WILL NOT, AND NEVER WILL speak the things you say to ANYONE! Your words are obvious to ANYONE you you serve. I will not read no more comments from you. They are nothing but a waste of time.
phillip78 1 year ago
Polybius (120 BC) said since the multitude is ever fickle, full of lawless desires, irrational passions, and violence there is no other way to keep them in order but by the fear and terror of the invisible world.
The Christian philosopher Origen (AD 230) said that literal terrors of hell were false, but they ought to be publicized in order to scare simple believers in order to keep them from evil deeds.
phillip78 1 year ago
u are without a doubt the biggest dumbest fucking worthless neysaying piece of trash ive ever herd in my entire life......i know god doesnt need me to defend an honest mans word from a moron but i cant help it.......u spew ur ignorance like fire.....u just cant except somthing that ur pathetic little ant mind cant comprehend.......u fucking waste of life puke.........hope u wake up n smell the coffee asshole or ull regret it in the long run.........i hope u can join the rest of civilization
mrcuddles4life 1 year ago
LAUGH IN HELL LIKE THAT YOU STUPID REDNECK PREACHER COCK SUCKING SON OF A BITCH
tarryarah 1 year ago
WHY DO U LAUGH, GOD BLESS YOU
france490 2 years ago
You GO Ray!!!
Give them (NO) hell!!!!!
LOL!
Ah, it is SO refreshing to come back here and hear the truth once in a while!!
EmeiBaguazhang 2 years ago
Sounds a mite hot in hell.
Funny how the word wasnt invented until 700AD innit...funny that.
FRIENDOFMANKIND 2 years ago
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tpsossff 2 years ago
The NDE's are quite convincing I can't find peace with this subject I get paranoid everytime I see the Hell word are picture of fire or wat ever it increases my Hate for God, he's the one who belongs in Hell not us
virtuallad06 2 years ago
@virtuallad06
The internet is full of the rantings of evil shits who claim to be christians. All they are doing is preying on the old and sick in this world.
Whatever you perception of god might be these parasites on our emotions and primeval fears have nothing to do with it. In another time they would have been burning children at the stake for their own good.
Have a very happy new year and may your god, whatever you perceive him to be, be with you.
tpsossff 2 years ago
Why is it that everytime Someone has a NDE of Hell, each testimony is diffrent from the other?????? It's a ballox, it is further Proof that God is a God of Hate and not love
virtuallad06 2 years ago
Have you watched the series? It's SO obvious Bill is lying. It is actually funny. If I want a good laugh I'll watch this series over and over.
phillip78 2 years ago 2
if u want a laugh then go take an iq test and review ur score.......ull laugh at urself in pitty for days.........fucking stupid child......
mrcuddles4life 1 year ago
@mrcuddles4life is that how you show your intelligence?
phillip78 1 year ago