everyone should view this and remember that once that all christianitywas the catholic church. yes briother baptist joihn baptist did not create the baptist sect of christianity, it's an offshoot of catholicism. these guys are yuor bringers of yuor religion. if yuo are a not catholic it's probly because your ancessors lived in england at the uime when the king of englandf could not get a divorce and susquencly started the church of england
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You should pray to the one true God. You should pray from your heart. You should ask for repentance, confession of sins, accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Ask for eyes to see Him and ears to hear Him. Ask for a hunger and thirst for His word.
Ask for discernment which will let you know what is from God and what is not from God. This will let you know when God is speaking to you because it will line up with His word and morals in the bible.
OK, which God should I drop down and pray to, what is the correct way to pay, and what should I ask for?
God created morality? So whatever God says is moral? If you were absolutely sure God visited you one night and told you to hack your neighbours head off, would you do it? If so, you have no morality, if yes when whatever god says is moral and its all completely arbitrary.
Did i say that? I said that would be best to do and I think its great to continue to learn what all God created, more power to you.
Just because you call yourself a church does not mean your living for God. People without love in their heart or with selfish motives are not living right.
Being as God created everything I believe He formed morality along the same lines as when He created righteousness, holiness and humanity.
I asked "[should we] drop to our knees, and praise something you call "god"? and you responded "... that would be the best thing to do". So what am I meant to think?
"God created everything I believe He formed morality"
Missed the question I see. Let me restate: Where did God get his morality?
Are you seriously suggesting we should stop trying to figure out how the world works? Imagine where we would be if the church was in power and actually did that. Oh wait, they were and they did - we call it the dark ages. 1,000 years of almost complete stagnation.
I am not defining god, I am responding to other people's definition (if they have one at all).
So because you assert we can never know everything, we may as well stop now, drop to our knees, and praise something you call "god"? Pretty poor argument.
Morality can be explain with science, as all things in reality can. If you posit a god to explain morality, then where did god get it from?
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If science could prove everything then it would have right?
As I know it, scientists are still discovering things God all ready knew. For example, God spoke about the fountains at the bottom of the ocean, wasn't until 1970 man had technology to go that deep, guess what they found, fountains on the ocean floor. God has His fingerprints on the earth, He revealed things to us before we could even see them.
The bible is not for scientific facts, but to show the moral state of mankind.
Actually, the "fountains of the deep" mentioned in the Bible were well known fresh water springs near the shore. "The Deep" basically meant any water too deep to see through.
Claiming that deep sea springs were the ones discussed in the Bible is a comical rationalization with no actual basis in Biblical scholarship. It implies there was mystery in the text that those for whom it was written would not have seen.
Unluckily for him, I have a capture of the entire conversation up until a few hours ago. I sometimes do this when I think the comments will be deleted.
I will place a link in the description as a matter of public record.
Shameful on his part.If you are going to delete your own comments it shows that either his argument was weakened or frutitous.Either way it looks terrible for him.Excellent video by the way.
Shameful on his part.If you are going to delete your own comments it shows that either his argument was weakened or frutitous.Either way it looks terrible for him.Excellent video by the way
Matthew 16:17 Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, [Son of Jonah] because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you
John 21:15 Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?"
Jonah and John are two different names. This points out that the passage establishing the Catholic Church is bogus because they didn't get Peter's father's name right.
[Some translations fraudulently correct this error]
I care because Christianity, Catholics included, are restricting my rights and freedom. I pay more taxes because all the churches in my town do not . I am a senior who is begining to develop degenerative disease. Stem cell research offers hope for a cure, but I had had to wait 8 years while George Bush stopped stem cell research for religious reasons.
I care because Christians vote for religion and not what's best for society.
The ""upon this rock I will build My church"" passage is certainly a later addition to the text. The Monks monkeying with the text. Such an important doctrine would have been mentioned by one of the other gospels, but t was not.
Mathew 16:17 And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. THIS IS NOT TRUE
John 1:40-42 One of the two who heard John speak and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. He found first his own brother Simon [Peter] and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which translated means Christ). He brought him to Jesus.
Peter's brother Andrew told him Jesus was Messiah not God
Your own comment serves against you.Yes we can see electricity and we can also meausre it and test it.I rather much trust a scientist,since science has created everything we use so far,than a person of any myth.
haven't you lightning? or an electrical spark. have you ever unplugged something wrong and touched the prongs and got a zap? electricity is very noticeable, god however is not.
I can play this sceanrio since it is just merely ones own version of imagination based upon the premise made by men in a world long ago they knew nothing of.
My evdience would be for god itself.Showing itself to all of humanity.Not just for me since what i believe in the supernatural differs from others.
the reason why you dont believe in allah is that you believe its a "false"god,the same goes for the millions of other dieties that were before your god(yeshua).Man made creations last only as long as the consensus wishes it to exsist before another god or religion appears.
I will make it simple.God,dieties,beings are indeed man made creations of the mind.There are literally millions of gods,all of them are creations from humankind.They dont exsist.This is the underlying point.Hopefully now im more "clear".
Let's say there is a creator - how could I determine which religion has his wishes and desires correctly interpreted? How do you know this information? How could I verify it?
Atomic theory makes predictions about electron and electrical behaviour. We can verify these predictions through experimentation and observation. The results have been used to build lights, motors, computers, toasters, batteries, vacuum cleaners, and particle colliders. What has the prediction of a creator given us?
1. Evolution doesn't have a reason in itself. It's basically the process whereby organisms become better suited to their habitats from generation to generation.
2. Self awarness and self expression are the result of intelligence, not God.
3. The watchmaker/artist argument has been debunked.
1. Evolution is just a natural process. Besides, there doesn't need to be a reason behind evolution or life.
2. You have it backwards. Self awareness and expression are a result of intelligence. Without intelligence, self awarness and expression are impossible.
3. We can also smell feces and rotting corpses. What is your point?
We know there is an artist because we know that artwork doesn't occur through natural processes and we can meet the artist or know him through well documented scripture.
It has been scientifically proven that life can appear through natural processes. Furthermore, we can't meet your supposed creator. In fact, their is no proof of his existence.
By the way, false and dishonest assurtions don't count as proof of God's existence.
You have basically disowned the god character of the Bible, and retreated to a "creator god". The stories in the Bible are as true as we can versify the various claims in each.
A creator is possible, now just show evidence to support your hypothesis.
Prayer has been scientifically tested multiple times in well documented multi-million dollar experiments. It utterly fails.
Let's try this: Given the creator or the universe might be eternal; devise an experiment to tell the two scenarios apart, run the experiment and collect your data. I'll have a look when your done. Best of luck.
The difference between an Atheist and a Christian is actually quite small. Both of them disbelieve in thousands of Gods. The real difference is that Atheists reject one more god than Christians.
What many Christians fail to understand is that an atheist's reasons for not believing in the Christian God are not that different from a Christian's reasons for not worshiping Thor, Apollo or Shiva.
The catholic policy on the use of condoms is the biggest single cause of the spread of aids in Africa and as a result has affected/killed more people than nazism.Which the catholic church condoned as Hitler was catholic!!
Given Pope Paul IV confined the Jews to the ghetto of Rome in the mid 1500's, and his insistence they wear special clothing, etc it is not much of a stretch to see where the Nazi's got their ideas from. Hitler, being a good Catholic, viewed the Jews as Christ killers and therefore subject to brutal treatment and extreme prejudice.
Nazism depends on the ruler. That's why the catholic church likes it. Everything including corporations are controlled by one man, the state is completely centralized. The direction the state takes is completely dependent on the personality of the ruler. Catholic church has been advocating nazism for thousands of years.
I do not mean to suggest that all Catholics are like their Popes, or are bad people. This would clearly be an absurd claim. However, there seems to be a mindset that all Popes throughout history have been kind, gentle people. This is certainly not the case - far from it.
Wasn't that long ago that this church supported the Nazis and their genocide. Heck, their African policy is pretty telling. I am thankful that I was indoctrinated into this religion. It made it much easier to leave and discover the truth.
While I am not Catholic, I grew up with John Paul II. He seemed to be a nice old man - a kind of gentle grandfather figure. However some of his views (especially on abortion, homosexuality, and female priests) were backward. Still, I liked him personally.
Of all the Popes I read about, Pope John XXIII seems to be the best. Largely because he did not do too much. One wonders why it took 1958 years to find a good person.
I am not suggesting unborn babies not be cared for. When did I say that? The Catholic Church has a dogmatic rule - no abortions, not ever. Ever. This results in horrible consequences where both mother and baby die, mothers to unwanted baby's, etc. These are awful circumstances, and as you rightly point out, why call the doctors immoral for making such a terrible decision in such tough circumstances?
I would just like to point out no question mark belongs at the end of that last one. We know he did it for a fact. There are official church documents demonstrating as much.
I distrust those who know so well what god wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. Susan B. Anthony. Isn't it amazing what free will can do, for so called Christian leaders.
... and yet the RCC claims that God uses these "sinful, fallen" men anyway--like it'll all work out great in the end even when horrible douchebags are running the show. They just can't let go of the idea that This is just a man-made monarchy and the guy with the most power and guts wins. God has nothing to do with it.
Anwyll, exactly! I am not saying that askeggs point is wrong, it cant be because it is void of truth value. This also means that it can't be right! His point is subjective and it would be equivilant to any other completely subjective claim. In atheism saying that a certain action is wrong has the same truth value as saying that lasagna is repugnant, absolutely none.
Virtually everyone in the developed world draws their morals from the same source, and no, it's not religion or the bible. Typically, if an action has a harmful effect on society or other individuals then it is deemed to be evil or "bad". However this is usually weighed against the potential good of the action. However none of this argues for the existence of absolute morals.
You state that without objective morality then no one can claim to be moral. OK, let's accept that as fact for a moment - where does that get us? If "god" is the source of your morality then where did god get his morality from (because entities need external objectively true morals). If morality is separate from god, then where did they originate.
If anything god does is moral, then the killings he has performed are perfectly alright. If this is your stance, then YOU are immoral. Want to be Pope?
I stated that as a question. If someone hold that everything god does is moral by definition, then they have sacrificed their humanity and are totally immoral.
Which god are you talking about when you ask about killings? Pick up the Bible if you want an example of a god personally killing.
Given you have given NO definition beyond "creator" (to spite being asked), then what CAN we talk about? You suffer from a lack of a concrete definition of "god" you can use to discuss with anybody else. You're welcome to it.
What the hell are your beliefs beyond the possibility that a creator MIGHT exist? There is no reason to believe that. If you want to say that it's just possible - then so what - lots of things are theoretically possible. What we know about the universe through science is real tangible knowledge with practical results. Saying 'God did it' doesn't explain anything at all.
It seems that people just want to believe because they can't face the thought of an impersonal universe. But tough luck, it is
Almost all German boys were in the Hitler youth as it was mandatory. They would offer boy scout like activity and use it to indoctrinate children. Why that would be the fault of the children who had to participate is mysterious to me, it's like blaming kids for having to participate in Jesus camp. Apart from that, interesting video.
I had heard that the pope is a pope by divine order. When I read about these popes in this video, I see a completely human, primate history. Nothing divine here by any stretch of the imagination.
You r missing the point, i am not even trying to prove that objective morality exists, this is besides the point. The point is that assuming subjective morality ( which ur worldview holds) these popes did not do anything wrong and any claim that they did wrong is subjective and void of truth value.
I (that is me, all by myself) consider the actions by these various Popes to be morally repugnant. Those who agree with me I may consider moral.
I also fully accept that others may consider the behaviour exhibited exactly what is required to build a peaceful and prosperous society upon. I am guessing you are in this camp.
On what basis can you assert the "truth value" of any moral standpoint?
You can't assert that askegg was incorrect in saying the behaviour of these popes was morally reprehensible because without asserting objective morality you are merely left with your subjective view of what is moral and not, so you are just as unjustified as you maintain askegg is.
Unless you want to discuss the basis for each other's subjective morality and compare the strengths of each like an adult.
Dude, if objective morality does not exist then your claim that they did horrible things is completely subjective and has no truth value. How does this not indermine ur message?
Calm down, just showing a blatant contradiction in ur worldview
Oh really? Then what objectively judges God's morality? If this entity can exist without an objective moral compass, then why can't another? You argument is fatally flawed. In Australia we would call it "totally fucked". Live with it.
Sentencing generations for the crimes of one, global genocide by flood, drowning opposing armies, killing worshipers of other gods, annihilating cities, turning people to salt for looking over their shoulder, torturing and killing people to wash away his mistakes, confounding communication because he was scared we would reach him, should I go on?
Why don't you tell me what kind of god you believe in, what is attributes and qualities are, what he desires (if anything), what his personality is like, and what you consider moral. Until then I am stabbing in the dark at what the fuck you mean by "god".
They are not my categories, they are the definitions used in English language. If each believer gets to define their own meanings, then we have no common ground to exchange ideas and language becomes totally useless. Surely you understand that?
Who decides for you which things are moral and which are not? Do you think there are violent and disgusting things in the Bible? I do. Do you know many people consider the "good book" to be directly inspired by god? If this is the case, then they must accept their god is prone to horrendous acts. This is not a position I could take. These actions are immoral, even by the standards you say god gave me.
Plenty of people tell me "god" gave me my morality. I agree with you about learning morality from society, and religions do form part of that fabric, but they are not the source of all morality.
beatnikcafe - would you say that a creator god is immoral if it has remained indifferent to the suffering of his creation despite having the capacity to intervene? (I assume even your "deist" god is omnipotent and omniscient otherwise he is as irrelevant as any conceivable entity or object that exists outside our universe and you as well be a functional atheist).
Think of it like watching someone get hit by a car when you can easily prevent it with out any real cost to you.
You need to review the concept of omnipotence - an action only has a cost to an entity who is not all powerful. Basically, for God to intervene and prevent all suffering and it to somehow come at a cost to his resources and time he would not be omnipotent by definition.
I recommend you watch this video:
/watch?v=sUC3F6PnCYI
I think he does a good job of explaining what is wrong with your assertion of a creator God regardless of any other features it may possess.
First show objective morality exists, then we might discuss it.
Of course, I fully expect you to either be a troll, or completely ignorant of the views you spew. Hence, I do not expect a reply, let alone a coherent one.
from what I heard their constitution requires an anti-blasphemy law so they didnt really have much choice. apparently they wrote it to be as hard to enforce as possible because it would seem even the politicians can see how backwards it is.
the only way to get rid of it is through a referendum
Ok, after seeing the whole video I just gotta say...
Brilliant.
I was going to comment by asking you how much research you had to put into making this video but then I read the vid description and got my answer... a bunch.
Great video man, a game of "fun facts" gone horribly wrong. I wonder how many Catholics are familiar with this portion of their church's history?
everyone should view this and remember that once that all christianitywas the catholic church. yes briother baptist joihn baptist did not create the baptist sect of christianity, it's an offshoot of catholicism. these guys are yuor bringers of yuor religion. if yuo are a not catholic it's probly because your ancessors lived in england at the uime when the king of englandf could not get a divorce and susquencly started the church of england
otherworldtrader1 9 months ago
@otherworldtrader1 It's surprising just how many people are completely ignorant of the church's history.
askegg 9 months ago
christ all trucking un-mighty thats messed up
inquiry10 1 year ago
halleyscomet...
christian believe in the one true God. We don't believe in many gods.
read the book of proverbs chapter 8
kingkino1021 1 year ago
Well that was an eye opener!
enhanceUK 2 years ago
Citation Needed
halleyscomet 2 years ago
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You should pray to the one true God. You should pray from your heart. You should ask for repentance, confession of sins, accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Ask for eyes to see Him and ears to hear Him. Ask for a hunger and thirst for His word.
Ask for discernment which will let you know what is from God and what is not from God. This will let you know when God is speaking to you because it will line up with His word and morals in the bible.
Then seek Him everyday.
kingkino1021 2 years ago
Wow. Three is a massive claim. Do you have any evidence that Jesus is the one true god?
Also, I think an omniscient God knows what it would take to convince me he exists and thereby save my eternal soul. He knows where I live.
You think the Bible is a moral book? Have you read it?
askegg 2 years ago 4
Okay, I'll have to be completely direct and thorough. Dropping to your knees and praising the one true God, would be the best thing to do.
I asked is that a serious question because its comprehensible or at least should be that God created morality so it is something from Himself.
kingkino1021 2 years ago
OK, which God should I drop down and pray to, what is the correct way to pay, and what should I ask for?
God created morality? So whatever God says is moral? If you were absolutely sure God visited you one night and told you to hack your neighbours head off, would you do it? If so, you have no morality, if yes when whatever god says is moral and its all completely arbitrary.
askegg 2 years ago 3
Jesus died nailed to a cross.
Thor (Who was around a few thousand years before the birth of Christ) wields a hammer.
Do the math.
halleyscomet 2 years ago
Did i say that? I said that would be best to do and I think its great to continue to learn what all God created, more power to you.
Just because you call yourself a church does not mean your living for God. People without love in their heart or with selfish motives are not living right.
Being as God created everything I believe He formed morality along the same lines as when He created righteousness, holiness and humanity.
kingkino1021 2 years ago
I asked "[should we] drop to our knees, and praise something you call "god"? and you responded "... that would be the best thing to do". So what am I meant to think?
"God created everything I believe He formed morality"
Missed the question I see. Let me restate: Where did God get his morality?
askegg 2 years ago 2
that wasn't my argument but that would be the best thing to do.
I'd rather hear your definition of God.
Where did God get morality from......is that a serious ?
kingkino1021 2 years ago
Are you seriously suggesting we should stop trying to figure out how the world works? Imagine where we would be if the church was in power and actually did that. Oh wait, they were and they did - we call it the dark ages. 1,000 years of almost complete stagnation.
I am not defining god, I am responding to other people's definition (if they have one at all).
Morality? Yes - serious question. Can you answer?
askegg 2 years ago
By the time science catches up with proving everything, this world will have been destroyed.
I gave scientific prove to show you that God is far beyond simple science because science hasn't caught up with what God already knows.
To show the moral standard of mankind was to give you the purpose. If all you want is scientific fact then that's all you'll live for isn't?
All of this was to show you your point of view and bring you into mine. My facts are straight, God is real.
kingkino1021 2 years ago
So because you assert we can never know everything, we may as well stop now, drop to our knees, and praise something you call "god"? Pretty poor argument.
Morality can be explain with science, as all things in reality can. If you posit a god to explain morality, then where did god get it from?
"God is real"
Define God.
askegg 2 years ago
"My facts are straight, God is real. "
Citation Needed.
halleyscomet 2 years ago 8
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If science could prove everything then it would have right?
As I know it, scientists are still discovering things God all ready knew. For example, God spoke about the fountains at the bottom of the ocean, wasn't until 1970 man had technology to go that deep, guess what they found, fountains on the ocean floor. God has His fingerprints on the earth, He revealed things to us before we could even see them.
The bible is not for scientific facts, but to show the moral state of mankind.
kingkino1021 2 years ago
"If science could prove everything then it would have right? "
Give it time.
"The bible is not for scientific facts, but to show the moral state of mankind."
First you start by giving supposed examples of scientific proofs, then you say it's not a science book. Get your story straight.
askegg 2 years ago
Actually, the "fountains of the deep" mentioned in the Bible were well known fresh water springs near the shore. "The Deep" basically meant any water too deep to see through.
Claiming that deep sea springs were the ones discussed in the Bible is a comical rationalization with no actual basis in Biblical scholarship. It implies there was mystery in the text that those for whom it was written would not have seen.
halleyscomet 2 years ago
@halleyscomet
I have never heard of that explanation before about the deeps
where did you get that from?
science bless you
inquiry10 1 year ago
@inquiry10 I can't remember where I first read the general idea. I think it might have been in a discussion about Dawkins.
halleyscomet 1 year ago
beatnikecafe
Why are you erasing all your comments?Was your argument for god a "solid"one?
Killer0fTheSun 2 years ago
Unluckily for him, I have a capture of the entire conversation up until a few hours ago. I sometimes do this when I think the comments will be deleted.
I will place a link in the description as a matter of public record.
askegg 2 years ago
askegg
Shameful on his part.If you are going to delete your own comments it shows that either his argument was weakened or frutitous.Either way it looks terrible for him.Excellent video by the way.
Killer0fTheSun 2 years ago
askegg
Shameful on his part.If you are going to delete your own comments it shows that either his argument was weakened or frutitous.Either way it looks terrible for him.Excellent video by the way
Killer0fTheSun 2 years ago
Matthew 16:17 Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, [Son of Jonah] because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you
John 21:15 Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?"
Jonah and John are two different names. This points out that the passage establishing the Catholic Church is bogus because they didn't get Peter's father's name right.
[Some translations fraudulently correct this error]
Ebal the Atheist
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
I care because Christianity, Catholics included, are restricting my rights and freedom. I pay more taxes because all the churches in my town do not . I am a senior who is begining to develop degenerative disease. Stem cell research offers hope for a cure, but I had had to wait 8 years while George Bush stopped stem cell research for religious reasons.
I care because Christians vote for religion and not what's best for society.
Ebal the Atheist
ebaltrace 2 years ago 2
The ""upon this rock I will build My church"" passage is certainly a later addition to the text. The Monks monkeying with the text. Such an important doctrine would have been mentioned by one of the other gospels, but t was not.
Ebal the Atheist
ebaltrace 2 years ago
Mathew 16:17 And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. THIS IS NOT TRUE
John 1:40-42 One of the two who heard John speak and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. He found first his own brother Simon [Peter] and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which translated means Christ). He brought him to Jesus.
Peter's brother Andrew told him Jesus was Messiah not God
Ebal
ebaltrace 2 years ago
one star
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
beatnikcafe
Your own comment serves against you.Yes we can see electricity and we can also meausre it and test it.I rather much trust a scientist,since science has created everything we use so far,than a person of any myth.
Killer0fTheSun 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
haven't you lightning? or an electrical spark. have you ever unplugged something wrong and touched the prongs and got a zap? electricity is very noticeable, god however is not.
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
beatnikcafe
Regardless of the matter electricty is something we can test.Your god or diety is not something we can test,thus it remains a claim.
Killer0fTheSun 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
beatnikcafe
You are assuming there is something called a "spiritual"vision.Somehow this is also assumed by you that people own.Care to explain.
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
beatnikcafe
I can play this sceanrio since it is just merely ones own version of imagination based upon the premise made by men in a world long ago they knew nothing of.
My evdience would be for god itself.Showing itself to all of humanity.Not just for me since what i believe in the supernatural differs from others.
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
beatnikcafe
the reason why you dont believe in allah is that you believe its a "false"god,the same goes for the millions of other dieties that were before your god(yeshua).Man made creations last only as long as the consensus wishes it to exsist before another god or religion appears.
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
beatnikcafe
I will make it simple.God,dieties,beings are indeed man made creations of the mind.There are literally millions of gods,all of them are creations from humankind.They dont exsist.This is the underlying point.Hopefully now im more "clear".
Killer0fTheSun 2 years ago
beatnikcafe
You are assuming there is something called a "spiritual"vision.Somehow this is also assumed by you that people own.Care to explain.
Killer0fTheSun 2 years ago
Let's say there is a creator - how could I determine which religion has his wishes and desires correctly interpreted? How do you know this information? How could I verify it?
Atomic theory makes predictions about electron and electrical behaviour. We can verify these predictions through experimentation and observation. The results have been used to build lights, motors, computers, toasters, batteries, vacuum cleaners, and particle colliders. What has the prediction of a creator given us?
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
- The creator gave us all those things you mention that you can observe
There is a claim for which you have no evidence. Why is it SO impossible that the universe itself it uncreated?
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
1. Evolution doesn't have a reason in itself. It's basically the process whereby organisms become better suited to their habitats from generation to generation.
2. Self awarness and self expression are the result of intelligence, not God.
3. The watchmaker/artist argument has been debunked.
Marcaurelix 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
1. Evolution is just a natural process. Besides, there doesn't need to be a reason behind evolution or life.
2. You have it backwards. Self awareness and expression are a result of intelligence. Without intelligence, self awarness and expression are impossible.
3. We can also smell feces and rotting corpses. What is your point?
Marcaurelix 2 years ago
We know there is an artist because we know that artwork doesn't occur through natural processes and we can meet the artist or know him through well documented scripture.
It has been scientifically proven that life can appear through natural processes. Furthermore, we can't meet your supposed creator. In fact, their is no proof of his existence.
By the way, false and dishonest assurtions don't count as proof of God's existence.
Marcaurelix 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
Because it's not testable, observable, or verifiable in any way.
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
I'm sorry, who mentioned the Bible?
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
Not in this thread.
You have basically disowned the god character of the Bible, and retreated to a "creator god". The stories in the Bible are as true as we can versify the various claims in each.
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
"everything we know of the creation needs a cause to come into existence."
Actually, nothing in our experience is created from nowhere - it ALL has a cause. So what caused your creator, or are you special pleading?
"It's elementarily logical."
No - it's flawed logic. Apply logic to your "solution" and you might see this.
"It would be easier to believe in the easter bunny than atheism, that's just my opinion."
It IS your opinion. I suppose you believe everything with no evidence?
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
A creator is possible, now just show evidence to support your hypothesis.
Prayer has been scientifically tested multiple times in well documented multi-million dollar experiments. It utterly fails.
Let's try this: Given the creator or the universe might be eternal; devise an experiment to tell the two scenarios apart, run the experiment and collect your data. I'll have a look when your done. Best of luck.
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
We could counter this with signs that read "The Catholic church is full of child rapists and is lead by an ex-Nazi."
davism97 2 years ago
LMAO
and that was only the Popes, imagine all the deluded fooks out there that are trying to out do the Popes in ignorant bliss.
Ignorrant = Ignore Rant!
5*Fav Well done!
MilitantPeaceist 2 years ago
Saint Peter
Cut *off* the ear of a high priest.
outofnowheres 2 years ago
And the mafia still lives on to this day!...they have quite the history...dont' they?...5*
utoobasaurus 2 years ago
Pope Julius II sounds like a tough pope, a pope we could use now. Kill them all and forgive them later
heatflash888 2 years ago
The Pope John Pablo II protected the pederast Marcial Maciel
Licenciada 2 years ago
Christianity and its hypocrisy know no bounds.
TheFlST 2 years ago 5
The difference between an Atheist and a Christian is actually quite small. Both of them disbelieve in thousands of Gods. The real difference is that Atheists reject one more god than Christians.
What many Christians fail to understand is that an atheist's reasons for not believing in the Christian God are not that different from a Christian's reasons for not worshiping Thor, Apollo or Shiva.
halleyscomet 2 years ago 4
The catholic policy on the use of condoms is the biggest single cause of the spread of aids in Africa and as a result has affected/killed more people than nazism.Which the catholic church condoned as Hitler was catholic!!
TheBertiebean 2 years ago 6
Given Pope Paul IV confined the Jews to the ghetto of Rome in the mid 1500's, and his insistence they wear special clothing, etc it is not much of a stretch to see where the Nazi's got their ideas from. Hitler, being a good Catholic, viewed the Jews as Christ killers and therefore subject to brutal treatment and extreme prejudice.
askegg 2 years ago
Nazism depends on the ruler. That's why the catholic church likes it. Everything including corporations are controlled by one man, the state is completely centralized. The direction the state takes is completely dependent on the personality of the ruler. Catholic church has been advocating nazism for thousands of years.
Satanicallyfree 2 years ago
Absolutely superb video. You MUST make more like this! Liked the music, too.
SqueezyMcFeelpants 2 years ago
Great video and it's presentation in magnificant!!
ProudHumanist 2 years ago
holy crap this was a REALLY good video!!!
JamesCalico 2 years ago
I do not mean to suggest that all Catholics are like their Popes, or are bad people. This would clearly be an absurd claim. However, there seems to be a mindset that all Popes throughout history have been kind, gentle people. This is certainly not the case - far from it.
askegg 2 years ago
Wasn't that long ago that this church supported the Nazis and their genocide. Heck, their African policy is pretty telling. I am thankful that I was indoctrinated into this religion. It made it much easier to leave and discover the truth.
saxmanchiro 2 years ago 2
very nice
jeffersondong 2 years ago
whats your opinion on John pope 2 .. In my opinion he trully got the good parts of the religion ..
resistanceunion 2 years ago
While I am not Catholic, I grew up with John Paul II. He seemed to be a nice old man - a kind of gentle grandfather figure. However some of his views (especially on abortion, homosexuality, and female priests) were backward. Still, I liked him personally.
Of all the Popes I read about, Pope John XXIII seems to be the best. Largely because he did not do too much. One wonders why it took 1958 years to find a good person.
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
You must be joking. Abortion is a sin in every circumstance including rape and despite the consequences to the mother? Criminal.
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
I am not suggesting unborn babies not be cared for. When did I say that? The Catholic Church has a dogmatic rule - no abortions, not ever. Ever. This results in horrible consequences where both mother and baby die, mothers to unwanted baby's, etc. These are awful circumstances, and as you rightly point out, why call the doctors immoral for making such a terrible decision in such tough circumstances?
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
I consider the Pope's views on abortion backwards. Perhaps you should read my original post again?
askegg 2 years ago
one star
kingtafari9 2 years ago
I would just like to point out no question mark belongs at the end of that last one. We know he did it for a fact. There are official church documents demonstrating as much.
Archaneus 2 years ago
I distrust those who know so well what god wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. Susan B. Anthony. Isn't it amazing what free will can do, for so called Christian leaders.
Dwicker64 2 years ago 2
... and yet the RCC claims that God uses these "sinful, fallen" men anyway--like it'll all work out great in the end even when horrible douchebags are running the show. They just can't let go of the idea that This is just a man-made monarchy and the guy with the most power and guts wins. God has nothing to do with it.
wearspjsinpublic 2 years ago
well done, fav
bilboinc 2 years ago
Good Video!
You spelled "REIGN" incorrectly.
ebaltrace 2 years ago
Errr - maybe I meant they kept the reins on society.
Nope. I failed. Damn.
askegg 2 years ago
Awesome
raistlin072 2 years ago
and the one common thread tying them all together?
desire for power.
1n354a 2 years ago
now i need to go puke! damn shitrocks of church...
TilenKow 2 years ago
well done
AAL 2 years ago
Simply unbelievable.
agnosticman77 2 years ago
Anwyll, exactly! I am not saying that askeggs point is wrong, it cant be because it is void of truth value. This also means that it can't be right! His point is subjective and it would be equivilant to any other completely subjective claim. In atheism saying that a certain action is wrong has the same truth value as saying that lasagna is repugnant, absolutely none.
solid444 2 years ago
Virtually everyone in the developed world draws their morals from the same source, and no, it's not religion or the bible. Typically, if an action has a harmful effect on society or other individuals then it is deemed to be evil or "bad". However this is usually weighed against the potential good of the action. However none of this argues for the existence of absolute morals.
Tavereen 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
Here's my response:
You state that without objective morality then no one can claim to be moral. OK, let's accept that as fact for a moment - where does that get us? If "god" is the source of your morality then where did god get his morality from (because entities need external objectively true morals). If morality is separate from god, then where did they originate.
askegg 2 years ago
If anything god does is moral, then the killings he has performed are perfectly alright. If this is your stance, then YOU are immoral. Want to be Pope?
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
Your god didn't, so what's the point?
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
I stated that as a question. If someone hold that everything god does is moral by definition, then they have sacrificed their humanity and are totally immoral.
Which god are you talking about when you ask about killings? Pick up the Bible if you want an example of a god personally killing.
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
You're being deliberately thick.
You ask for examples of "god" killing, and I give examples of a god killing. You say that's not your god.
When asked to define your god you say "it's a creator god". So I ask you to define it further and you say everyone has their own definition.
So with zero common definitions of "god" there is no point in continuing this futile conversation.
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
Given you have given NO definition beyond "creator" (to spite being asked), then what CAN we talk about? You suffer from a lack of a concrete definition of "god" you can use to discuss with anybody else. You're welcome to it.
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
What the hell are your beliefs beyond the possibility that a creator MIGHT exist? There is no reason to believe that. If you want to say that it's just possible - then so what - lots of things are theoretically possible. What we know about the universe through science is real tangible knowledge with practical results. Saying 'God did it' doesn't explain anything at all.
It seems that people just want to believe because they can't face the thought of an impersonal universe. But tough luck, it is
trifelgeputinage 2 years ago
Ten Stars for this one cobber. Shows the vile hipocrytical bastards up for what they are. Well done, and lets have more
HURUHRA 2 years ago
Nice paintings, especially that one of St. Peter.
As for the current pope, he's not very photogenic =)
onotheo 2 years ago
Excellent work.
What the catholic church does in Africa is really outrageous.
DeletedDelusion 2 years ago
Well, if I wasnt already (which I was..) I'm protesting when the Pope comes a-visiting the UK next year. Gah.
bewarethelizards42 2 years ago
Almost all German boys were in the Hitler youth as it was mandatory. They would offer boy scout like activity and use it to indoctrinate children. Why that would be the fault of the children who had to participate is mysterious to me, it's like blaming kids for having to participate in Jesus camp. Apart from that, interesting video.
grebrim 2 years ago 3
...you could have focussed on what he said about birth control on his last visit to Africa..
grebrim 2 years ago 2
Fair comment.
askegg 2 years ago
stunning.... and you have just barely scratched the surface of the priests and altar boy issues...
sickening... but still good vid askegg....
Paxmax 2 years ago 3
Bloody hell mate that was one of a fuckin' brilliantly made video and the music is damn fine!
I'm trying to put together something at the moment with my own music ......need to spend hours correcting mistakes!
flyingfisbeefilms 2 years ago
I favourited it.
I had heard that the pope is a pope by divine order. When I read about these popes in this video, I see a completely human, primate history. Nothing divine here by any stretch of the imagination.
dewonthegrass 2 years ago
Creepy *_*
A11ex 2 years ago
I think christianity and the bible prove evolution: only deranged and superstitious primates could come up with this shit!
Raptor302 2 years ago 4
It is said there are vats of cocks taken from statues crammed in the bowels of the Vatican.
grenangle 2 years ago
I am not sure the Church will be jamming too many things into their bowels given the Vatican's stance on homosexuality.
askegg 2 years ago
Link is broken.
TXagnostic 2 years ago
Not anymore.
askegg 2 years ago
So many skeletons in the closet and so little time.
Great video.
kelliko70 2 years ago 2
How scandalous! I love this video.
yo1o2eggs 2 years ago
Thank you :)
askegg 2 years ago
You r missing the point, i am not even trying to prove that objective morality exists, this is besides the point. The point is that assuming subjective morality ( which ur worldview holds) these popes did not do anything wrong and any claim that they did wrong is subjective and void of truth value.
solid444 2 years ago
Ok then.
I (that is me, all by myself) consider the actions by these various Popes to be morally repugnant. Those who agree with me I may consider moral.
I also fully accept that others may consider the behaviour exhibited exactly what is required to build a peaceful and prosperous society upon. I am guessing you are in this camp.
Each to their own I guess.
askegg 2 years ago
On what basis can you assert the "truth value" of any moral standpoint?
You can't assert that askegg was incorrect in saying the behaviour of these popes was morally reprehensible because without asserting objective morality you are merely left with your subjective view of what is moral and not, so you are just as unjustified as you maintain askegg is.
Unless you want to discuss the basis for each other's subjective morality and compare the strengths of each like an adult.
anwyll 2 years ago 2
Thank you for putting it all together like this!
KasparHauser4 2 years ago
You are most welcome.
askegg 2 years ago
Dude, if objective morality does not exist then your claim that they did horrible things is completely subjective and has no truth value. How does this not indermine ur message?
Calm down, just showing a blatant contradiction in ur worldview
solid444 2 years ago
Oh really? Then what objectively judges God's morality? If this entity can exist without an objective moral compass, then why can't another? You argument is fatally flawed. In Australia we would call it "totally fucked". Live with it.
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
- Criticism of the Pope's actions is not the same as critiquing God
Never said it was.
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
Sentencing generations for the crimes of one, global genocide by flood, drowning opposing armies, killing worshipers of other gods, annihilating cities, turning people to salt for looking over their shoulder, torturing and killing people to wash away his mistakes, confounding communication because he was scared we would reach him, should I go on?
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
Fuck me.
Why don't you tell me what kind of god you believe in, what is attributes and qualities are, what he desires (if anything), what his personality is like, and what you consider moral. Until then I am stabbing in the dark at what the fuck you mean by "god".
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
I apologise, but so often Christians are in here and the Bible is all they know.
Why are we discussing morality if you believe in a deist god?
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
Desit: belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe.
Does your god intervene? If not you are a deist. If so, you are theist.
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
They are not my categories, they are the definitions used in English language. If each believer gets to define their own meanings, then we have no common ground to exchange ideas and language becomes totally useless. Surely you understand that?
askegg 2 years ago
"For your argument to make any sense you should start by pointing out just one single act of god that is immoral"
Read the Old Testament.
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
"For one, you don't know (by your own admission) the difference between an act of God and chance."
Neither do you.
askegg 2 years ago
OK - a little more serious this time.
Who decides for you which things are moral and which are not? Do you think there are violent and disgusting things in the Bible? I do. Do you know many people consider the "good book" to be directly inspired by god? If this is the case, then they must accept their god is prone to horrendous acts. This is not a position I could take. These actions are immoral, even by the standards you say god gave me.
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
Plenty of people tell me "god" gave me my morality. I agree with you about learning morality from society, and religions do form part of that fabric, but they are not the source of all morality.
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
beatnikcafe - would you say that a creator god is immoral if it has remained indifferent to the suffering of his creation despite having the capacity to intervene? (I assume even your "deist" god is omnipotent and omniscient otherwise he is as irrelevant as any conceivable entity or object that exists outside our universe and you as well be a functional atheist).
Think of it like watching someone get hit by a car when you can easily prevent it with out any real cost to you.
anwyll 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
You need to review the concept of omnipotence - an action only has a cost to an entity who is not all powerful. Basically, for God to intervene and prevent all suffering and it to somehow come at a cost to his resources and time he would not be omnipotent by definition.
I recommend you watch this video:
/watch?v=sUC3F6PnCYI
I think he does a good job of explaining what is wrong with your assertion of a creator God regardless of any other features it may possess.
anwyll 2 years ago
And yet in atheism, none of them did anything objectively immoral,
So what was ur point again?
solid444 2 years ago
First show objective morality exists, then we might discuss it.
Of course, I fully expect you to either be a troll, or completely ignorant of the views you spew. Hence, I do not expect a reply, let alone a coherent one.
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
Troll was only one option. Note I never received a reply to my question.
askegg 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
beatnikcafe
morality is subjective.
Killer0fTheSun 2 years ago
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beatnikcafe 2 years ago
beatnikcafe
But morals itself doesnt come from any being or diety..they remain purely subjective.Whats right for one may be wrong for another.
Killer0fTheSun 2 years ago
why hasen't anyone done anything about the blasphemy bill that passed in ireland? great video btw.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago
from what I heard their constitution requires an anti-blasphemy law so they didnt really have much choice. apparently they wrote it to be as hard to enforce as possible because it would seem even the politicians can see how backwards it is.
the only way to get rid of it is through a referendum
carnut666 2 years ago
These guys fit in well with the characters in the Old Testament.
Hey! When the Rapture comes, I get the Pope's hat!
8WholeThing 2 years ago
Ok, after seeing the whole video I just gotta say...
Brilliant.
I was going to comment by asking you how much research you had to put into making this video but then I read the vid description and got my answer... a bunch.
Great video man, a game of "fun facts" gone horribly wrong. I wonder how many Catholics are familiar with this portion of their church's history?
Probably not a whole lot.
ogjimkenobi 2 years ago