Rumsfeld shakes hands with Saddam (full video, no sound)

[billp37abq]

Google 'ryan crocker j orlin grabbe' Crocker is likely involved in genocide . The late J Orlin Grabbe helped implicate him. Crocker is a 1971 english major of whitman college, bill is 1959 math major.

[billp37abq]

rummy on facebook.

Google 'fred fair'.

[jbrah69]

if you want to keep your neck never do business with the usa. if they insist, then i guess letting them come in and borrow a few acres to grow poppies to then ship back the final product may leave you unscathed. but for how long?

[salvadory]

Sept 10 2001 rumsfeld speech excerpt"(feel free to look up whole speech on us dod site( "we know the adversary we know the threat!( then next sentence) "some might ask how could the sec of defense attack the pentagon in front of its own people? To them i reply i have no desire to attack the pentagon- i want to liberate it- we need to save it from itself" (His actual words in speech) he then promotes privatization(corporate takeover ove the miltary to save money) makes u wonder!!

[foxsux6000]

america the biggest buddy cop movie of terror

[slappymcgroundout]

Glad to see that you censor speech. And we weren't in Vietnam to "oust" the Soviets. How do you "oust" the Soviets when the Republic of Vietnam was its own country and we never even tried to invade the north. Think of the whole domino theory. So not "ousting" but instead to stop a domino from falling.

[BI30]

@slappymcgroundout I don't "censor" speech. The fact your comment is even on here is proof of that. And to say "we weren't in Korea to oust the Soviets" is like saying we didn't storm the beaches of Normandy to oust the Nazi's. The Soviets tried to capture the Korean government and turn it into a Communist Republic. The "domino theory" was that if they succeeded, Russia would do the same to other nations until we were "surrounded by Communist countries". (What does this have to do w/ this vid?)

[ACRScout57]

In 1944/45, under a Democrat (Harry Truman), the U.S. supported, supplied and paid soldiers of the Viet Minh and "Uncle Ho", because at the time it was convenient and useful to U.S. aims in the region.

[ACRScout57]

Later, Under Kennedy and Johnson, we would be fighting these same forces and our own weapons in the Vietnam War.

[BI30]

@ACRScout57 The problem with that analogy is that we went back into Vietnam to oust the Soviets, not because JFK/LBJ falsely suggested Vietnam might declare war on us.

[ACRScout57]

@BI30 The point is that the liberals whine about the U.S. fighting Saddam after supporting him, and blame that on Bush. Yet they hypocritically ignore that Democrats in the past have committed the same actions. BTW we did not go to VietNam to oust the Soviets, we went to VietNam to stop the Viet Minh from taking over the South. There was never any effort to remove the Soviets or the Chicoms who were both supplying the north.

[BI30]

@ACRScout57 Perhaps you need to read the description below the video (particularly the first 7 words). And claiming we weren't in Vietnam because of the Soviets is like claiming we weren't in France because of the Germans. And again, no one ever claimed Vietnam might attack us.

[jess1up]

@ACRScout57 Regardless of what any political party whines about or supports, the Iraq war is complete bullshit and illegal. Rumsfeld lied and lied again, so did Rice, Cheney, and Bush. They all deserve a noose around their necks!

[st3v3nftw]

if you compare saddams criminal activities with bush and cheney, saddam was a saint compared to them.

[BI30]

Albright and Chamberlain weren't supplying those same dictators with weapons. They were negotiating for peace.

[Snake762x51]

Least he didn't bow and kiss his hand like some other moron *roll eyes*

[BI30]

...or hold his hand and kiss his cheek? (*roll eyes*)

[LiquidT3nsion]

The Bombing of England by Nazi Germany wouldn't been possible without millions of dollars sale of oil from the Americans to the Nazis, not mention that Hitler's raise to power was financed by American banks.

[BI30]

I know it may seem that way, but no U.S. oil companies sold oil to Germany during WWII. By the end of the war, desperate for oil, Germany developed the technology to convert coal into oil, a process the coal industry is pushing today.

[LiquidT3nsion]

Please give me a break America's corporate connections to Hitler's Holocaust was from beginning to the end!! The oil and the funds were the main links between both and at the end of the Nazi era even CIA disclassified their files about Operation Paperclip were thousands of Nazi high rank officers became American citizens!! This is not a theory its a FACT.

[BI30]

No argument that many American corporations did business with Germany prior to Pearl Harbor, but oil was not one of those commodities.

[LiquidT3nsion]

IG Farben built a factory (named Buna Chemical Plant) for producing synthetic petroleum and rubber (from coal) in Auschwitz, which was the beginning of SS activity and camps in this location during the Holocaust.

[BI30]

You should tell the guy above who said America sold "millions of dollars sale of oil" to the Nazi's.

Thank you for repeating/confirming what I said about synthetic oil from coal.

[aviomaster]

STUPID american assholes , CCCP ,,  fucked Germany alone , name me on e of the weapons theyh used ,,, from USA ... NONE ... 0 ... WHEN GErmany was on it's knees , THAN your pussy ass country entered a war ,,,

[elchingonaso76]

The U.S.A A-bombed Japan during WW2 to finally make the Japs surrender. TODAY.............we are allies. So what is your fucking point?  1983-2001..........things change, you cock-sucker. CHANGE is CONSTANT.

[BI30]

Okay, that makes no sense. We didn't give Japan the weapons they used to threaten us, nor did we build them up into a military powerhouse before declaring them a threat to us. So I ask you your own question: what's your point?

[Dimaggio369]

We did give give wepons to the soviet union to fight Germany, and we did give weapons to China to fight Japan including Mao which were later used on us. No one is actually psychic. Sometimes you support the lesser of 2 evils. Sorry you have to be wrong, but hey you're a liberal. You'll get used to it.

[BI30]

we were at war with Germany and Japan at the time, numbnuts.

[elchingonaso76]

Have your type ever heard of the old saying, "My enemie's enemy, is my friend?"

[BI30]

Those chemical weapons Saddam used against the Kurds in the 1980's... where do you think he got them? Were the Kurds "our enemy"? (BTW: in your example above, China and the USSR were not the aggressors when he helped them during WWII, unlike Saddam.)

I know you're not old enough to know this, but Iran did not "attack us first" with the '78 Hostage Crisis. You call Iran "the enemy", but I bet you couldn't give a reason why that pre-dates 1978.

[jjfyke01]

The point is Saddam was just as bad back then. They kiiling innocent people then. But they were at war with Iran, so it was ok with us. The point is Rumsfeld and the Republicans are hypocrites. Got it, cocksucker?

[wolffroneastland]

yeah..

Bin Laden was made by USA.....

America likes to play off one against another.

[aviomaster]

-- USA is largest terrorist organisation on EARTH .

[thelgrabain]

i agreeeeeeeee, all the crisis in this world are made BY THE UNITED STATES.

[supraman181]

greed will empower us all

[JoyfulSuccess]

we live in a messed up world, eh? Politics are too... political, lol. I wish our politicians valued integrity over popularity & power.

[pandasnakeman]

did you resist the economic hitmen? fuck no you didn't, you little bitch.

[JoyfulSuccess]

I hate to say it, but we did sell him weapons

[Rafdaganga]

well to the two-faced America he wasn't he bought weapons off them.

[BI30]

Why?

[PersianDictator]

saddam was executed for war crimes and murder in his country is so bullshit, the usa was aware of that before and never did anything about it until 20 years after iran iraq war.

[WJBigham]

Iraq was never an ally or friend of the US. It was waging a war at that time against one of our biggest enemies -- Iran. ... So naturally we helped Iraq financially during that time. It's not some grand conspiracy people, it's politics.

[BI30]

The US Secretary of State's office still listed Iraq as a U.S. *ally* the day AFTER they invaded Kuwait. It may politics, but Saddam certainly WAS regarded an ally that received not just money, but weapons from the U.S. in their war with Iran. Then we discovered under Iran/Contra, that Reagan was arming the Iranians too.

[baretta1983]

He could no longer comply with US demands, so bush made up a storey. The US needs money and lots of money (trillions) to reach its goal, the New World Order. It does'nt give a shit about nobody.

[11051988]

yo all u fags r just little kids who have no idea what ur talking about

[BI30]

...said the 25 year old kid.

[toddkin]

its the people who are aware of these little tidbits of information that are called crazy, paranoid ...god knows what else, nowadays rednecks are finally starting to see what we saw pre-iraq- we could see the mess we are in now even back then- I want the govt to be truthful about what its real mission is in the mideast- We (United States Citizens) are NOT THE EMEMY!

[blenderfroggy]

well put toddkin. The state of politics in the USA is shit. Everyone of our leaders are bought and sold like cheap prostitutes. It is like this in many countries, but we are the most powerfull and that makes our political charlatans more dangerous. The citizens of the USA are the most charitable in the world, but our "Leaders" are the most atrocious.

[knoxjt]

"Saddam is bad." - George H.W. Bush

[whitesuninc]

And so is George H.W. Bush

[thesilentpatriot]

This video perfectly illustrates the sad state of American political discourse. "Those who don't know history are doomed to reapeat it."

I completely understand that, at the time, it made sense to support Saddam but it's the height of hypocrisy to comdemn a man for committing atrocoties that he perpetrated with the outright support of our govt. Fact is that most Americans are completely unaware of this. :(

[hoctor]

THe British empire ran the world like this for centuries unfotunately, Americans are trying to shape it in much the same way. The British understand mad monarchs and failed wars at the edges of the empire, read Gallipoli, Kartoum, and Malaysia etc. That's why JLennon's protest songs were so hard hitting and Dylans in 1971 were not existent. He understood, see US vs. JLennon today

[randomusernamemygod]

US Empire is very Different from the British Empire. Britain was more blunt and actually admitted it had an Empire and had a good reason up until 1945, the US does not and is very sly for one main reason.

The largest problem Imperialists in Parliment had was the British people who would not stand for atrocities and unfairness. The US has corrected that problem almost with misinforming its citizens. Britain treats every Politician with suspicion, whilst the US almost idealizes its Politicians.

[shanebarrow1]

Great points. THe thing is Democracy is supposed to automatically breed skepticism and dissent. I would like to know from you iswhat are the main reasons Americans are so ignorant of our governments' actions? Why do we idolize these crooks? I think it has much to do with the media hleping to dumb down our people. But i think the main problem is the Money that controls our politics. The average person cant even dream of running for office due to money barriers.

[2alive2die]

thats capitalism, those who have the money will keep it and reign the world.

[Rodzilla131]

"what's love got to do, got to do with it"

[Mousabro]

fucking Rumsfeld, he would shake the devils hand if it would get him an advantage. A government driven by greed, good choice Americans!!!

[chechechenrebel]

This is nothing. What was the *most shameful* was USS Vincennes shooting down a civilian Iranian Airliner (Flight 655), in order to help Saddam during his war with Iran. Google it. Why is this so little known? A national disgrace.

[djscheisse]

good point. do you know anything about the USS Liberty? thanks from germany

[jungleman123]

This is tough to say.. Iraq AND the US had good relations back then in the early 80s. But i guess beef can happen in 1 second to war.

[BI30]

The Reagan Administration supported Saddam in his war against Iran (1980-1988), providing him with weapons, logistical support and a butt load of cash.

In fact, Saddam was still listed as a U.S. ally by the U.S. State Department the day AFTER he invaded Kuwait in 1990, and it wasn't until a public outcry over stories of his soldiers shooting caged animals in the Kuwaiti National Zoo did the Bush-I Administration begin to get involved months later.

[jlab]

Now he's scheduled to death by hanging from the same year as this clip when we supported his gov against Iran...isn't it ironic, don't you think? A little too ironic yeah I really do think...it's like a schedueled hanging before election day, it's a free pass when you've been to blame, it's the good advice (300-400 thousand troops for the war) that you just didn't take, and who would have thought...it figures.

[whitesuninc]

He was silienced

[rokarolla]

My, that's a looong handshake. At least they didn't kiss like GW and Prince Abdullah!

[kieraninozz]

dumb americans is right

[TerrorAgainstTerror]

gotta love hypocrisy and dumb americans who fall for it