It's hard to stomach that 40 years later, some people are still dissing this kind of music. Ignore Wynton and his fellow haters. Don't even engage them. That's wasting precious energy that could be spent absorbing and studying the greatness of music like this.
The magic of this is what the artist experiences while in the creative moment,
Whether it is "good," or "not," is subjective. Whether we appreciate, or not, is secondary. These musicians are sharing with us a glimpse into what it is to be in the divine place of inspiration & creation. Catch this if you can. Glimpse the heart and soul of the moment. All opinion is invalidated by the experience. Appreciate its essence and you may find youself transported from the mundane to 'elsewhere.' Blessings
@macdaddy33 Because I have played that kind of jazz I can appreciate what Jarrett and Bartz were experiencing while they were playing. People who have not played improvisational jazz cannot know what musicians experience. I believe by what you have written, that you have not played improvised jazz. Players know something you don't know. It doesn't make anyone superior or anyone's opinion better. It's just a fact, jack. Deal with it however you like.
@deacontad I second that! Seeing Miles at Fillmore West all the times he played there changed my life. It started me on a 40+ year journey into improvised music (I don't use the "J" word anymore). I'm just now scratching the surface. It is kind of shocking to realize this was over 40 years ago. Couple things need to be said; recordings of any kind don't really impart the transference of energy that these guys produced live... and nobody else was doing anything remotely like this, not even now.
I would agree with those who recognize the virtuosity and great artistic expression in this piece. Like many, I'm not fond of this type of jazz, but you have to acknowledge the great effort of these musicians. I'm a big fan of Coltrane, but I rarely listen to his later "free jazz" stuff.
Are any of you jazz musicians? Do you know what it's like to play exactly what you feel with other cats who groove the same? Each musician totally into himself, the people, the jam. Completely free to express yet maintaining the structure, even while you twist and violate it. You love the music created by the giants who came before even while you tear it to pieces. Self-indulgent crap? Pure genius? Is that what destroyed jazz; or is it the true heart of jazz? Players know. You DON'T know.
@marcdaddy33 Just saying what's on my mind. I played that kind of music in the 70's. Do you suppose Gary Bartz was ranting about or against something in his sax playing? Some people might say his music sounded like he was trying to put a scrape on someone's ear. Can you identify with his state of mind, or with Jarrett's? Would you say they were trying to make a point?
Point or no point, I don't like it. I'll give you another example... there was some artist at a NY exhibit who had a painting of Mary with a breast out and elephant dung was used as her breast... additionally, there have artists who have made paintings of jesus having homosexual orgies, pissing on a cross, etc... there have also been many other provocative paintings made by various artists... EACH had their particular messages that they wanted to convey... (cont...)
we also have Lady Gaga today, and some of her videos. ALL have their particular messages that they wish to convey in their art. That does not mean that because they have a mesage they are now above any form of criticism, nor does it mean that such artwork is so "in the clouds" beautiful and profound that if a person doesn't "get" the "message" being conveyed that they are therefore wrong or don't truly appreciate good art. a person may "get" the messag and STILL think the "art" is CRAP
@marcdaddy33 I can't compare a disgusting picture to a jazz musician playing some nasty sounding dissonant riffs. I respond more to sound than sight. I have no idea what someone who painted Mary with elephant dung feels. I do know what Jarrett and Bartz were feeling. Do you? I have no opinion on your dislike of the music, nor do I have an opinion on the validity or appropriateness or your opinion. Your opinion is as meaningful as you think the music is. Can you dig?
"I have no opinion on your dislike of the music, nor do I have an opinion on the validity or appropriateness or your opinion. Your opinion is as meaningful as you think the music is. Can you dig?"
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The same can be said in the reverse towards you, ergo what was the purpose of your orginal comment? Afterall, everyone on this board is simply giving their opinions for or against this video. And how do you know what they know?
maybe it's just me, but I was expecting to see a video where Bartz was actually meeting Jarrett, forty years after this footage, exchanging thoughs about the whole experience..but maybe it's just me
@jgrodnik come on, are you serious?? This is pure expression from musicians who have spent years practicing and studying everything there is to know about music. What do you mean????
I love Jazz... but this is terrible... cacaphony of noise is not music... the saxophone grates my ears.
Reminds me of John Coltrane's "A Love Supreme". (and coltrane's my favorite jazz artist, but I cannot stand that album and the straining of the saxophone)
@marcdaddy33 Please excuse me my bad english,but I think that you are wrong ...You don't love jazz,but cocktail music.This music is for transformate the world and people minds instead or use in background track.I really love jazz and all music that can be transform the old perception of beauty.A love supreme is one o the most important albums in the jazz history o jazz,and opinions like yours can change it. Keith Jarrett is a genius,
To love Jazz does not mean that you love EVERY jazz artist or song... just like you don't have to love The Beatles to or the Sgt. Peppers album to love Rock. Sure, I appreciate the importance of that album (A Love Supreme), just a Rock fan can apprecaite an album by the Beatles, but doesn't mean that I like it. Or I may appreciate the importance of Picasso's paintings, but as an art fan I don't like his paintings... they are NOT aesthecally pleasing.... (cont)
...SOME are, but many are disgusting looking... he is no Michaelangelo. Gary Bartz may be a good artist (I don't know, haven't heard much outside of this video)... but I doubt his albums are anything comparable to Davis' "Kind of Blue".
This sounds like an old lady with very long nails scratching her nails on a blackboard.
It's hard to stomach that 40 years later, some people are still dissing this kind of music. Ignore Wynton and his fellow haters. Don't even engage them. That's wasting precious energy that could be spent absorbing and studying the greatness of music like this.
quagga88 3 weeks ago
and 40 years later, afros are back!
salsabluetrane 8 months ago
thank you !
123must 9 months ago
Amazing!! I love Keith Jarrett!!!
maisqpoesia9999lcg 9 months ago
The magic of this is what the artist experiences while in the creative moment,
Whether it is "good," or "not," is subjective. Whether we appreciate, or not, is secondary. These musicians are sharing with us a glimpse into what it is to be in the divine place of inspiration & creation. Catch this if you can. Glimpse the heart and soul of the moment. All opinion is invalidated by the experience. Appreciate its essence and you may find youself transported from the mundane to 'elsewhere.' Blessings
enilegnave21 9 months ago 4
Nice....thanks jazzvideoguy
tonyfreejazz20 9 months ago
Maybe they studied too much.
jgrodnik 9 months ago
@macdaddy33 Because I have played that kind of jazz I can appreciate what Jarrett and Bartz were experiencing while they were playing. People who have not played improvisational jazz cannot know what musicians experience. I believe by what you have written, that you have not played improvised jazz. Players know something you don't know. It doesn't make anyone superior or anyone's opinion better. It's just a fact, jack. Deal with it however you like.
deacontad 9 months ago 3
@deacontad I second that! Seeing Miles at Fillmore West all the times he played there changed my life. It started me on a 40+ year journey into improvised music (I don't use the "J" word anymore). I'm just now scratching the surface. It is kind of shocking to realize this was over 40 years ago. Couple things need to be said; recordings of any kind don't really impart the transference of energy that these guys produced live... and nobody else was doing anything remotely like this, not even now.
claryscat 9 months ago
I would agree with those who recognize the virtuosity and great artistic expression in this piece. Like many, I'm not fond of this type of jazz, but you have to acknowledge the great effort of these musicians. I'm a big fan of Coltrane, but I rarely listen to his later "free jazz" stuff.
gsco82 9 months ago
Are any of you jazz musicians? Do you know what it's like to play exactly what you feel with other cats who groove the same? Each musician totally into himself, the people, the jam. Completely free to express yet maintaining the structure, even while you twist and violate it. You love the music created by the giants who came before even while you tear it to pieces. Self-indulgent crap? Pure genius? Is that what destroyed jazz; or is it the true heart of jazz? Players know. You DON'T know.
deacontad 9 months ago
@deacontad
what exactly are you ranting about and against?
marcdaddy33 9 months ago
@marcdaddy33 Just saying what's on my mind. I played that kind of music in the 70's. Do you suppose Gary Bartz was ranting about or against something in his sax playing? Some people might say his music sounded like he was trying to put a scrape on someone's ear. Can you identify with his state of mind, or with Jarrett's? Would you say they were trying to make a point?
deacontad 9 months ago
@deacontad
Point or no point, I don't like it. I'll give you another example... there was some artist at a NY exhibit who had a painting of Mary with a breast out and elephant dung was used as her breast... additionally, there have artists who have made paintings of jesus having homosexual orgies, pissing on a cross, etc... there have also been many other provocative paintings made by various artists... EACH had their particular messages that they wanted to convey... (cont...)
marcdaddy33 9 months ago
we also have Lady Gaga today, and some of her videos. ALL have their particular messages that they wish to convey in their art. That does not mean that because they have a mesage they are now above any form of criticism, nor does it mean that such artwork is so "in the clouds" beautiful and profound that if a person doesn't "get" the "message" being conveyed that they are therefore wrong or don't truly appreciate good art. a person may "get" the messag and STILL think the "art" is CRAP
marcdaddy33 9 months ago
@marcdaddy33 I can't compare a disgusting picture to a jazz musician playing some nasty sounding dissonant riffs. I respond more to sound than sight. I have no idea what someone who painted Mary with elephant dung feels. I do know what Jarrett and Bartz were feeling. Do you? I have no opinion on your dislike of the music, nor do I have an opinion on the validity or appropriateness or your opinion. Your opinion is as meaningful as you think the music is. Can you dig?
deacontad 9 months ago
@deacontad
"I have no opinion on your dislike of the music, nor do I have an opinion on the validity or appropriateness or your opinion. Your opinion is as meaningful as you think the music is. Can you dig?"
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The same can be said in the reverse towards you, ergo what was the purpose of your orginal comment? Afterall, everyone on this board is simply giving their opinions for or against this video. And how do you know what they know?
marcdaddy33 9 months ago
maybe it's just me, but I was expecting to see a video where Bartz was actually meeting Jarrett, forty years after this footage, exchanging thoughs about the whole experience..but maybe it's just me
heyfratello 9 months ago
Keith runs the voodoo down ... and Gary too !!!
tonartification 9 months ago
Jazz at it's finest!!
zu0832 9 months ago
The fact that you don't understand this music doesn't actually mean that there's no music. "The song is you"... Keith is awesome.
Fistfizzle 9 months ago
@Fistfizzle Well said sir!
twodogs09 9 months ago
Get it!!!
dendogg55 9 months ago
Any relationship between this and music is purely coincidental.
jgrodnik 9 months ago
@jgrodnik come on, are you serious?? This is pure expression from musicians who have spent years practicing and studying everything there is to know about music. What do you mean????
sysphus13 9 months ago
I don't like it either, it's just a lot of noise ...
brikble 9 months ago
I love Jazz... but this is terrible... cacaphony of noise is not music... the saxophone grates my ears.
Reminds me of John Coltrane's "A Love Supreme". (and coltrane's my favorite jazz artist, but I cannot stand that album and the straining of the saxophone)
marcdaddy33 9 months ago
@marcdaddy33 Please excuse me my bad english,but I think that you are wrong ...You don't love jazz,but cocktail music.This music is for transformate the world and people minds instead or use in background track.I really love jazz and all music that can be transform the old perception of beauty.A love supreme is one o the most important albums in the jazz history o jazz,and opinions like yours can change it. Keith Jarrett is a genius,
jazzybeatle 9 months ago
@jazzybeatle
To love Jazz does not mean that you love EVERY jazz artist or song... just like you don't have to love The Beatles to or the Sgt. Peppers album to love Rock. Sure, I appreciate the importance of that album (A Love Supreme), just a Rock fan can apprecaite an album by the Beatles, but doesn't mean that I like it. Or I may appreciate the importance of Picasso's paintings, but as an art fan I don't like his paintings... they are NOT aesthecally pleasing.... (cont)
marcdaddy33 9 months ago
...SOME are, but many are disgusting looking... he is no Michaelangelo. Gary Bartz may be a good artist (I don't know, haven't heard much outside of this video)... but I doubt his albums are anything comparable to Davis' "Kind of Blue".
This sounds like an old lady with very long nails scratching her nails on a blackboard.
marcdaddy33 9 months ago
great comping from keith here. and GB rips hard of course.
unclejunglebass 9 months ago
@unclejunglebass hadnt even gotten to keith's solo when i wrote that. hot damn that was some otherworldly shit!
unclejunglebass 9 months ago
I LOVE Keith Jarrett. Great video.. Thank you Brett for all of your hard work.
steelydanbowler 9 months ago