Guide: Choke-Point Jungling

[RevnaVarea]

Gotta love that Champloo soundtrack.

[KuwaSai]

doesn't work in Dota 2.

[BiggestTrollAlive42]

@KuwaSai Yes it does, moron.

[FS11111]

hmmm.. now that we can sell culling blade, can i use that to jungle like this as well?

[nickol0l23]

nice guide!. btw I was smiling when i heard the deathnote and samurai champloo as background music



[boitulis]

WHERE CAN I DOWNLOAD THAT KIND OF MAP ITS COOL

[MaristelleCuteX]

@boitulis It's on Dota-Utilities . com

[PriLScrMaEaM]

@boitulis ffs, Dota-Utilities is a hack site. Getdota . com is the official one. Disregard the retard.

[asdfha19]

@boitulis Actualy the map is 6.66b but the theme is "CITY'' download warcraft3 styler if you want that

[dracksan]

Some of these don't work in dota2. I just tried with naix (as he just came out) and the creeps seem to be able to melee over some of the trees.

[dracksan]

@dracksan In addition, some trees are placed differently and unit collision seems to be slightly smaller. To rectify what I said before, some camps do work properly, but only about half or less. I'm assuming there may be different points for proper chokepoint jungling though.

[Sandokan4]

@dracksan

Yep, i got exactly the same thing.

[Mordax14]

thanks, nice vid!

[CrossMax122]

BLEACH!!!! :)

[Krazywoot]

your blowing into the mic too much, good guide htough

[GooeyBastard]

perfect video :)

[torned00kaz]

furion,naix,skeleton king,sand king

are good at jungling

[Nailsinmytummy]

How exactly do you do this with the bristleback from lvl 1?

[Arvendragon]

What are the best heroes to do this then?

Besides the obvious Lifestealers.

[moguledge123]

@Arvendragon maybe BS, not a life stealer or TB

[Aimismyname]

creeps spawn.. every minute?

[jumpinshade]

Lumi I though you should also show how pros do the same with help of dominator and a satyr/troll/ursa at ancient camps

[Trez0r]

nice vid guys only thing you guys should fix is it sounds like (white guy?) mic there is alot of feedback or noises everytime you speak, kind of hard to understand at times. other than that great video boyz!

[theknight27]

whats the better tree to tango @2:15?

[InstantChill0r]

@theknight27 pause at 2:08, there's a square group of four trees right to the satyr trickster, eat the downright tree of that group and go between the remaining 3 trees

[rolasVH]

oooo very good can you plis make a vid farming with storm?? i wana learn n_n

[bfmvshinigami]

it feels so fucked up sometimes lol you're trapped and there's no escape and dang!,

(name) has died to neutral creeps. :P

[TheSynq]

awesome vid man helped me a lot

subd

[aauthority]

you mean lvl 1 no need pull neutral creep ?!!!! other hero like bs some pls tell me.....\

[j4ur14]

thx a lot.

L's theme was a cool addition

[deathzito]

@j4ur14 L's theme? the first one is bleach's o.0

[karmahgeddon]

what is the first background song? the second one is from samurai champloo, right? :) both great

[GriloOwnz]

I can do this with Syllabear? or any kind of hero?

[Kengdarot]

wow very clever jungling method and if u 2 are the founders of choke-point jungling well u are geniuses :) gg

[toweliegfg]

At 2:14 there is a blurb that says there's a better tree to eat for the 5 spawn. I followed the link and I couldn't find the tree it was talking about.

[FlamingoGuf]

@toweliegfg

Same goes for me. Som1 plz - help a poor noob (me) out and tell where the better tree to eat is at the 5 spawn (2:14)

[JuBa347]

do that with axe ... one unit can hit you , but your helix hit all ... pretty devastating farming :)

[sllovaku]

@drakert12 neutrals respawn every 2 min..

im also trying to menage that but its a bit hard :X

[Cecekcz]

lol. I tried it on signle player and I got trolls in the first camp and died XDXD

[whyee22]

THIS dsnt Work every time i pull the creeps when i come bak it dsnt spawn another creep camp and i do exactly like the vid !!! :SSS

[niuren]

@whyee22 In order for creeps to spawn, there has to be nothing on top of the spawning location and around the area at spawning time. That means, if there is corpse or even wards or mines the creeps wont respawn even if you pull. Hope that helps!

[WoShiBearBear]

LOL, I love the farewell part. People say bye but you two said GG. Something that only computer nerds would say that. No offense...

[drakert12]

how many seconds does it take for the neutral creeps to respawn?

[mimisim2007]

@drakert12 neutral creeps spawn every 30 seconds

[BloodyMaSSacR3]

@mimisim2007

They only spawn on the first 30 seconds of the game and then continue to spawn at every minute...so the first one goes 30th sec then 60th, 120th and so on

[plplplplomg]

Great video and tactic must try.

[klabrinakos]

Scout/Stout Shield + Quelling blade > 2xScout Shield !

+ The tree cut ability = no tango need

[jasdadAD]

@klabrinakos haha u think u r tht smart? to start jungling at lvl 1, u dont have enough for stout shield + quelling blade dumbass.

[klabrinakos]

@jasdadAD Plz learn how to add numbers and Delete your stupid comment !

[jasdadAD]

@jasdadAD oh ya, ps. my bad, i have never actually bought a culling blade after the 1st time it came out, back then it costed 450. but tangos are still better for their regenaration purpose

[22justforfun]

How u make the ground not green ? 

[il0v39074]

@22justforfun map theme

[plplplplomg]

@22justforfun You need to download and use program called DotA Theme Menager.

[flectz]

deathnote music lol

[Aelijus]

Love that you end with the samurai champloo song.. such a good show..

[KidFrenzy]

when every i try to do that i lvl so slow

[morone91]

wow this will really help..gud job and thx

[waferstick32]

Recognized and enjoyed the music. =D

[Juliet2809]

lol..i found the way u guys spoke so funny...ahaha..but nice vid btw

[gimnazija1]

OMG MUSIC FROM DEATH NOTE I LOVE OYOUUU

[n0vafoccus]

Great! Realy creative. Gj @ all sub + favo

[shoneFOX]

suk ka wa e shuz dae na

[MrAfiandi]

Very nice idea, I believe this will help me a lot in pubs, I am a newbie after all, so there's no need to talk about inhouse game^_^..

..

Anyway, Can I use this technique for terrorblade too? I fear it will make his images useless,I want to hear your opinion about that..

Oh yeah, would you like to tell me how to change the terrain please?

[canadarm2008]

lol you guys dont see a problem with trapping yourself in a choke point?, 1 ward = gg

and if you dont believe me , try to find 1 competitive game where an observer ward was not purchased in the first 6 mins

i like it for its creativeness and definitely good for pub gameplay

[Pervsalom]

@canadarm2008 Nobody wards the shit out of the map at the begining of the game. You just have to get away from the hotspots aka close to rune. Even with more wards, there are 2 spots that are safe in it's side, the ones close to mid. I don't think it can make it to competitie, but it can get inhouse.

[nminhcuong]

Great. Thanks

[caderz]

i hear samurai champloo! awesome!

[HAKERfromGREECE]

you use city terain because with this you see what tree you need to cut more easily xD.I found this out when i was trying diabolic wc3 tools before 1 month its a very useful tool

[ObituaryMan666]

good video ;)

[yaerni]

thanks ! :) very useful video -fingerling

[simlei]

Hey,

nice Video!

Tried it with Naix, and it seems to work. A few Questions:

1) Running out of tangoes. If you can't have a chick, is this strategy still viable (running back etc)

2) I tried Troll and Bloodseeker. They die fucking fast, even with two stouts, against double camps. Can they jungle like this from lvl 1? Your hint to those heroes is?

[Stratadiablo]

thanks alot..

[MrJethroastig25]

w8t this need men a quik reply pls how do you got dota theme manager on 6.66b mine wont work when its patch are 1.24 it wont work but in 1.20 it work pls help me luminous because i really want to play at beach mode

[MrJethroastig25]

this is one hell nice guide ^_^

[XxJackTheRipper23xX]

LOL nyc tutorial. I was wearing my headset and the it's volume was low. But as soon as I heard the guitar I was like "L!"

[azntothebone]

nice vid but dual stoutshields don't stack. dual vanguards do, however.

[Luminous48]

wtf??

[sorik20]

Nice vid and background songs

But I cant help to notice that the gameplay in the vid isnt a replay and its zoomed out

Cam hack? but then again you need one of those to completely elaborate the video

Thanks again

[Luminous48]

this is recorded 'live' when I was playing, and not off a replay. We were a little short on time, so rather do a single player version of it, instead of testing it out in game.

[sorik20]

Nah its cool man

It was a decent vid and I learned alot

@Heart

ROFL Its not hentai, its called anime OP/End songs "bro"

[nick290696]

thx man not bad....

[sham1nator]

how to make ground like tis?

[sorik20]

Google "Infrisios Dota theme"

[Heckenscheij3er]

ThanKs MAn!

[Preqallec]

Great work! Nice video, good explanations! Keep on ;)

[ionlysee23]

i just noticed, theyre using naix fun name ^^

[WipedOutWesley]

in this video, forum lurkers

[sieghart113vn]

well the creep will use the attack command if they see you, and they can't reach you so they'll just use the sight of the only creep that can attack you directly to use the attack command again and again on you, so I guess Axe will spin like hell, but I haven't tried that out yet. But it is true that Axe has a chance to counter whenever a unit release an attack command on him, even the attack hasn't done yet

[riddick31]

No, you're wrong. Axe won't spin if enemy just right-clicks on him. And in this video neutrals will "right-click" on hero. That's just the way how they react.

In order to make Axe spin around, the enemy has to start his attack animation.

Even if enemy started his attack animation but cancels it with "stop" command. Axe will still spin and take no damage.

[mishocker]

Hi,

Nice guide! I will definitely try those techniques.

Question - does Axe benefit from those choke points? He won't be able to spin frequently when attacked by a single creep and will basically be reduced to a standard melee hero, right?

[birdie123]

Axe's spin has a chance to be triggered whenever a unit targets him. There is NO need for the unit to physically deal damage to him.

[ShadowRaze999]

Holy shit awesome guide Luminous, didn't know that 0o (but I don't jungle that often) So thanks really nice, I hope you will make more guides for all kinds of stuff, some ideas:

-If you're low hp and you wanna bottle but your mana is full, use a spell first

-If you're low hp and you're going back to fountain, use up your mana

-If you're an intelligence hero and you have mana regeneration items, use spells so your regen won't be wasted

Hope I've given you some ideas!

[gemzrocker]

you suck!

[Ferielars]

This will get nerfed, way 2 op :o

[murm3ll]

awesome "easy-pro-guide" :-o

-Murmel-

[Anderkent]

I wonder, can veno with wards use those chokes to jungle safely ? Gotta try

[oQoJo]

This will show up in pro dota for sure

[Innightmare]

Great Guide

thx

[MKILNivz]

Awesome guide...

[anonymoux100]

the creep was like take a number to att

[sup3rkangkong]

great

[Ljrobison]

Awesome guide...

AND FUCKING AWESOME BACKGROUND MUSIC.

Ryuuzaki_L is my Bnet name lol.

[Avatespectrum]

bestest guide. 5 stars of course. it's really a thing i never knew before... good job on realizing me!

[ChrisAllmighty87]

did i hear minmi in the background?!

samurai champloo <3

n1 guide again

[JMSB92]

with axe is possible?

[jasdadAD]

yup. even better. but u will need more tangos cause of no life steal.

[miniSANG]

great guide...

5*

[Solocharged]

how did u guys change the landscape to that kinda human thing?

[JMSB92]

poor man shield?

[sooooooooDark]

good idea

[vhentexingco]

you all dumbass

you can stack neutrals when you lure the creeps away from their camp at least 52-55 seconds..

@video

i thought when you go to the places where you eat a tree,you can respawn another creeps by going to the deeper place..

[restocker2]

I agree with you here...some people suggest that you go around 50-51...its much better to pull later around 52-54, rather than earlier...if you run into the little Satyr dudes (ones that purge) you might wanna pull around 48-49

[QbbeQ]

creeps spawn every 60 seconds ... dont give him false information

[DanielAntonsen94]

Hey lumi! I tested this with Strygwyr, and I can say that its impossible for the lvl 5 creep stack. The dmg from Centaur is too high, and you will die at lvl 1. I actually had problems vs those 2 ranged, with frost attack and 4 of those hellhounds(?), and died there aswell...

I did some thinking, and the only hero that really can do this WELL is Naix imo, because the lifestealskill makes his dmgoutput higher aswell. The more HP the creep has, the more dmg and lifesteal will naix get.

[Pohaku207]

@DanielAntonsen94

you can use leoric with his life steal aura that gives a hefty amount of life steal or maby centaur with his massive hp and return aura, ursa would most likely kill the creeps due to his lame orb :o or TB with his immages, warlock with his recover, drow with the slow, clockwork with his awesome dps guns, and bane if you lure the small one first and then sleep it so you can kill the bigger one but this is all just from the top of my head...

[DanielAntonsen94]

@Pohaku207

Some of this may work, yes. I tried with troll as well, but he died because the dmg output from the lvl 5 creeps was 2 big. I can only imagine that a hero with lifesteal can actually do this, because as soon as i bought Mask of Death, I never died while doing it.

Leoric may work yes, though that myself.

I dont actually think Centaur can do it, basically because he takes a lot of dmg without lifesteal. Maybe som creeps, but not a stacked lvl 5. TB immages die 2fast. Warlock has 0 dmg.

[HongKoon93]

Nice one guys. Undisputed 5 stars. Although it would be better if you guys could speak clearer or maybe it was the mic's fault?

[Lodispappa]

How do you spawn x2 creeps? I tried running back but got the same creeps running back...

[poisonNova123]

hehe so old tactics...

[SamTheKiwasian]

@Lodispappa creeps spawn every 30 seconds, if at about 25 seconds you take the creeps out of the camp, more creeps will spawn

[Lodispappa]

@SamTheKiwasian Ah okey, cheers <3

[ilovegunzzzz]

Thks dude.

[sammessi027]

nice video abt choke points.but creeps spawn only after 1 min in normal game

[Luminous48]

that's incorrect, creeps spawn at 0:30, and then at every minute

[pavjoe2]

lol you guys sound like your selling the strategy or like its an infomercial lol but seriously good idea i never thought of that actually

[Caliibri]

this is sick

[39myil04rpr]

i thought stouts dont stack anymore?

can u explain the mechanics?

[jameshermanto]

yea qb is nicest item for farming. example huh? Syllabear. you put stout and qb on bear. try to farm fast. try. :D

[Jonathanchh2j]

imba video

[XiaoLongNui]

just tried it. when trying to do a 5 stack, if theres a purging satyr, it messes me up and sometimes niether of the camp stacked. that just makes me mad lol.

[hobbes3k]

With those purge Satyrs i always subtract 4 seconds to my original planned time. For example, I normally pull at :52 to try to stack camps, if I see those satrys I start pulling at :48 instead. Same goes for pulling top scrouge lane to your creeps. I normally pull at :13 or :43, but with the satyrs pull at :9 and :39 instead. Hope that helps!

[lich610]

awesome!

this is really informative

I like the song that you used

[zhouwei987]

hmm I should really try this out next time i play troll =D ty

[restocker2]

Good shiz! Never even thought about finding a choke point to fight creeps...I gotta play starcraft again...keep it up!

[femtau]

lol luminous nice L's theme frmo death note :)

[Luminous48]

@Jeelikeyou that's really creep camp dependent. For camps that has a Centaur, his aura will make him run faster such that a 50 sec pull is possible.

49 sec pull is also possible if there's a purging satyr, but for the best pulls, try not to get purged and go at ~:51 mark

[XiaoLongNui]

wow great video. This would really help me out with my jungling. I usually stack creep camps early but then i can never take them on.

[Luminous48]

To those that are thinking about Quelling Blade and Stout instead of the double Stout, the link in the info bar should provide further information.

[Uareanoob01]

Almost all spots you want to pull form 51-51.5 seconds.

[AzazelBelphegor]

Pull a camp at time 57

[Kasparao]

indeed, would like a warding guide. Good vid!

[ewanl33t]

i'm finding it very difficult to understand uareanoob :(

[xPazux]

For the camp that you made the choke point for at 2:11 you said you were worried about being spotted. There is actually another spot there where you can make a choke point. Directly to the right of where the creeps spawn there is a tree set up that looks something like:

x x

x x x

Obviously, you just eat/chop down the tree at the bottom. Hopefully you get which tree I'm talking about.

[lendial]

awesome guide

[MAATIR]

A warding guide would be cool

[MAATIR]

I like these tutorial/learning videos, you should do more of them :)

I did not know about this and have never seen it in any replay, very good to know. Thanks for another great video.

[StFuNwAtCh]

hmm.. helpful guide ;)

[StompPerm]

IMO you're better off with a quelling blade + stout + tango/salve. Get a support to buy you a courier and finish PMS asap. You wouln't really need to tango out trees with the substitute quelling blade, considering you go for a Salve. When it comes to dying, level up open wounds to lifesteal back the HP you need.

[Antonyni]

@StompPerm Tested the build out and not as effective, not tanking enough for lifesteal to keep you alive. The QB damage is not large enough to compensate for the other stout

[StompPerm]

Then I guess courier out the QB asap instead and start with the recommended 2 souts. I remember testing this strat a long time ago with my build and it worked out fine.

[LLlap]

nice one.

[soulstrike18]

what a genius

[dranzersfv]

nice... i think in a competitive game the courier would send a culling blade after clearing 1 camp? culling blade was invented for junglers =)

[ahyuk44]

i think culing blade was invented for axe XD

[beLphe6ore]

lol .. haha .. ((:

nyc , xD

[zorexproductions]

Thanks! This will come in really handy!

[EvilSSJ]

thats what i do with axe =D

[lDeepBlueSkyl]

L's theme in the background ^^

[bulgarinaaa]

thank you ^_^

[zer0marv]

change one of the shield to an axe imo :/

[mhaipao]

gj lvl 1 jungle.. lol

[TheMakiMakii]

Its pretty good video. some people knew this spots. and some didnt.. so good video and keep it up :)

[XLJantey]

damn not 1st :P lol. Good vid!

[mhaipao]

they used 2 stout sheild for naix how bout using a qeulling blade? naix got good lifesteal can he survive at lvl 1? with stout shield and tango?