@formidable38: I'm speaking of anitclimbers on the "F" and "E" sytle locos. Such anticlimbers are not heavy duty enough to serve the purpose you speak of; furthermore, those anticlimbers extended in "wrap around" fashion, above the pilot, from one side of the loco to the other, and completely useless in deflecting drawbars. There may have been some ancillary benefit to which you note, but such anticlimbers predate deflector pilots.
@polarablues64 : Anticlimbers are actually to prevent climbing action of motor vehicles in grade crossing accidents. Vehicles so impacted are then not likely to climb up the front of the locomotive and into the windshield/cab area
@doodlejtr Incorrect. Anti climbers are to prevent 2 locomotives impaling each other and destroying each others cabs in the event of collision. The coupler of either loco will lock under the anti climber of the other loco preventing it from climbing up and into the other cab, instead both loco's deflect sideways as amply demonstrated in the Chatsworth crash. It has nothing to do with road vehicles on crossings which will simply be pushed out of the way or pushed along until the train stops.
It's a real shame that the US now has a Third World rail network because of the lack of Political will to get people out of planes and their cars. Even the Spanish are whizzing around in 180mph+ trains now....
Depends how far you are going. Less than 400 miles and high speed rail (180mph+) is much quicker, easier and more environmental sound going city centre to city centre. London to Paris or Brussels in 2 hours...
We don't have a 3rd world rail network. The systems in the US, Canada and Mexico are modern, heavy-tonnage railroads. We move massive amounts of freight over incredible distances. We do so safely and without taxpayer involvement.
In Europe your taxes support the railroads that operate short, light high-speed shipments. Different railroading for different purposes.
omg, its not all passenger trains there dude, this is a yard if u havent noticed. the reason that train was sitting there was because they didnt get a signal.
in my opinion, the amtrak shouldve went into emergency. but idk im not an expert
From someone who has worked in the rail industry for his entire working career and having significant PR experience in dealing with the news media....trust me on this....the news "NEVER" gets it right. I doubt a single reporter would have a clue what emergency even means.
WTF are you talking about. Although I am a professional railroader I am always willing to learn from those smarter than I.
Please explain your observation. What is it you see in this video that in any way indicates the operators of any freight railroad were responsible for this accident.
Poor old #8...funny thing thing is, I had seen this engine twice, and the last time I saw it was just TWENTY-SIX days before this crash (11/4/07)- and I videotaped it, too. I guess it just goes to show you never know when your video might be historic!
Another strange thing is, I saw #8 on the exact same day (Nov 4th) seven years earlier!
you all say it was the engineer, the dispatch, the signals, the male, the female, but looks like to me it was a spagehttie and meatballs waiting to happen. anyway, the engineer should file for a patent on the new front end design for the P40!
DS didn't fuck up, the Engineer did... Thought he was on a slow approach but was actually on a restricting, so he was doing 40 and prepared to stop at the next signal when he should have been doing 15 prepared to stop short of ANYTHING on the tracks ahead (Including but not limited to a bad switch, derail, red flag, freight train, etc). Add in the other trains moving on either side and yeah, it was a recipe for disaster. Nobody was killed but some crewmembers were seriously hurt.
Signal displayed the right signal, displayed a restricting signal... What happened was the engineer confused it for a Slow Approach (which uses the same aspect on a different RR) and sped up to 40 MPH rather then staying at 15. When the mistake was pointed out and realized he engaged the emergency brakes but it was too late.
The funny thing is, the engineer in question had just come over from the UP. He was a freight engineer. The BRAND NEW engineer was the one that started raising questions. It turns out she was right.
Idiot. How can you mistake a restricting for a medium approach? (that's what he thought he had)even so medium approach is slow to 30mp immediately. Idiot.
Attention you-tubers!!! Ignore all videos and comments from RRSloth. He is just a green new hire that doesn't know too much about the railroad. I see he is also a foamer and in violation of Union Pacific policy by filming these videos while on duty. His name is WILLIAM L.MYERS working out of Portland, Oregon. The posting of all these videos is currently under investigation.
I don't know much about railroads, but from what I am reading, it appears that there is no established nation wide standard for rail road signals.
Thats retarded! it would be like if you drive your car into another state, red means go and green means stop. I hope this is a wake-up call for NTSB to make a single standard.
You have to remember that the railroads years ago had their own "styles" of signals. That's how we have color, searchlight, position, and color position signal types. Through the mergers that have gone on over the past few decades, lines with different signal types have been combined. Unless the signals are upgraded for maintenance or financial reasons, they're generally left as is, and crews must learn their routes and the signals on them.
And the original reason for each road having a different system is that the characteristics of each road were different: a high-density, high-speed road with a mix of passenger and freight in the Northeast will require a different set of signal aspects to facilitate operations than, say, a single-track, moderate-density all-freight railroad out West. (For example, the former might employ 45-MPH turnouts and four-block signaling; the latter, nothing but 15-MPH turnouts and three-block signaling)
Note the person filming the crash here refuses to warn the Amtrak Engeneer. He should of phoned Amtrak and told them this was going to happen so the engeneer knew. This would likly prevent this crash.
keep in mind engineers running that train go across the former Grand Trunk, CSX, NS, and Amtrak trackage on that route. Each route has its own unique signal system. Thats what can make it confusing. Grant it is no excuse for misreading the signal but that is a possibility. However a restricting signal is displayed on all their signal systems the same.
From photos taken during Norfolk Southern part of the investigation. That Amtrak engine is most likely a scrapper. In the collision the floor buckled so in the cab there was less than 4 feet of head room floor to ceiling. One of the seats with one of the engineer's grip was embedded in the ceiling and the desktop control stand was push up through the windshield.
Has this been determined as a human factor incident??? It would seem that it is because of the distance involved before this crash, but I wouldn't want to speculate...There is a possibility of a ctc malfunction which put this train on a diverging route and the engineer complied with the signal indication.. Another question is, was this cab signal territory?
Actually if you do some research you'll find the FRA reportable rate has improved. Through September of this year the rate improved considerably. What this accident does to the rate remains to be seen, however, being that it's the end of the year the overall accident rate for 2007 likely will remain better than years past. Meaning you're full of shit Frank.
The above claim is based on research of the Federal Railroad Administration accident rate data for human factor accidents operating on main track. Data indicates a total of 5 such accidents in 2006 with 3 in 2007 prior to this accident. Which still suggests that you're full of shit, Frank.
This is security camera footage from a camera that happened to be pointing north at the time; it doesn't say whether this is owned by Norfolk Southern, Amtrak, or the Chicago Police Department.
I wonder, did you turn this footage over to the cops? Local news is acting like seeing it on YouTube is the first time investigators have ever seen or heard of this footage. What a far-reaching tool this YouTube thing is...
Update - Everyone is out of the hospital now, there were no fatalities. The train was doing 35-40mph at the time of the accident. Investigators are trying to figure out why the train was speeding.
Limit was 15 mph. and in fact the driver was 40 mph. The usual limit on that track is 80 but was 15 at that tiem because of the other train on the track.
driver probably thought 15 wayy to slow so decided to go 40mph
You don't understand that this accident occurred on the MAIN TRACK, not on a 'yard track.' IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT AND YOU CAN'T BACK UP YOUR IGNORANT CLAIMS, THEN THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE: DON'T MAKE THEM!
Don't talk about ignorant claims because I am not the ignorant person here, you are. If it were a main track, which it may as well could have been, something went terribly wrong because (1) a passenger train was going too fast for conditions and (2) what appeared to be a train yard scenario with slow moving trains on both sides was where the accident took place. But don't get on here telling people about being ignorant because your response to my comment MAAM shows who is really ignorant.
That's former Pennsylvania RR track with position indicator lights. Is it possible the rookie engineer confused the signals? "- over /" is approach medium (following a moving train on the track ahead), "- over \" is restricted speed (stopped train on the track ahead). People mix up / and \ in URL's all the time...
Actually the signal they took at CP Englewood is a color signal not the old position signal. Red over Yellow, Restricting, not to exceed 15mph, prepared to stop in half the range of vision.
Just curious do you work for the RR? cause I work for the BNSF out here in Washington state and red over yellow is a diverging approach aspect which basicaly means proceed at prescribed timetable speed through turnout and be prepared to stop at the next signal. Im not being a smartass, just curious if the signal system is different out there.
That is exactly what the engineer thought, diverging approach but he forgot. This territory he was running on was NORAC rules not GCOR, and red over yellow is restricting, and NORAC restricting has a max speed of 15mph. You have to remember, Chicago has a bunch of different railroads, and we all run over each other's territory. The CORA book is over 500 pages long and covers all the signals and rules in brief for each railroad.
Sounds like a pain in the Ass. Bet the company officials have a field day Ops testing you guys. Be safe out there. Oh and Jeff4098 Im not sure if your post was directed at me but for the Record I am not a Hoghead I am a Conductor with fifteen years seniority. Not exactly a rookie. If it was directed at me you can kiss my ass if not Have a nice day.
It looks like they were on a curve. If they were traveling at restricted speed, they should have been traveling at less than 20mph, in order to be able to stop within half of the visible unobstructed track ahead.
Naw, they were doing 40 per the lastest news. Anyone looking at that video could tell that they were not going 20mph. Maybe one of the trains on the other tracks was.
Engineer of the Amtrak train had a restricting signal, meaning to proceed at 15 mph or be able to stop in half your sight distance so that it could pull up behind the freight. Instead the engineer accelerated to 40, came around the curve, and hit the freight.
Actually I heard that he was a newbie driver, like about 3 months into the job or so. Either way the fault maybe due to him, or it may be due to equipment failure. But yeah I've also heard of veterans doing that kinda stuff.
actually there were 2 engineers. The one that was not running was the 3 month veteran, she was the one that pointed out when it was too late that she thinks the last signal was a restricting. The veteran was sure it was medium approach. And making mistakes with signals is ALWAYS the crews fault. being complacent is the number one killer in railroading
Non agreement with signals is a killer...Im a u.p. hog head and conflict on signals in the cab is never a fun thing...and the old heads sometimes are wrong.
those are superliners, i thought Pere Marquette had horizon cars.
jfsa380 7 months ago
@formidable38: I'm speaking of anitclimbers on the "F" and "E" sytle locos. Such anticlimbers are not heavy duty enough to serve the purpose you speak of; furthermore, those anticlimbers extended in "wrap around" fashion, above the pilot, from one side of the loco to the other, and completely useless in deflecting drawbars. There may have been some ancillary benefit to which you note, but such anticlimbers predate deflector pilots.
doodlejtr 11 months ago
AMTRAK FAIL
chris40539 1 year ago
BOOM BOOM
thebuilderddd 1 year ago
wow better hope the drivers are ok
2010californa 1 year ago
I guess they didn't have anti climbing devices on that particular locomotive?
polarablues64 1 year ago
@polarablues64 : Anticlimbers are actually to prevent climbing action of motor vehicles in grade crossing accidents. Vehicles so impacted are then not likely to climb up the front of the locomotive and into the windshield/cab area
doodlejtr 1 year ago
@doodlejtr Incorrect. Anti climbers are to prevent 2 locomotives impaling each other and destroying each others cabs in the event of collision. The coupler of either loco will lock under the anti climber of the other loco preventing it from climbing up and into the other cab, instead both loco's deflect sideways as amply demonstrated in the Chatsworth crash. It has nothing to do with road vehicles on crossings which will simply be pushed out of the way or pushed along until the train stops.
formidable38 11 months ago
it actually doesn't look as bad as other accident but still the engineer probably sustained bad injuries
MultiMonster69 1 year ago
I think it's one thing: ignorance.
GonzoJam 1 year ago
nasty!!
partygirl209 1 year ago
ouch
mesaraw 1 year ago
ouch
mesaraw 1 year ago
too me I sad.
NateNATENate19 2 years ago
Sad..
ClawRaved 2 years ago
That AMtrak train is the Mini-Light (Mini Coast Starlight)
metroliner89 2 years ago
there is no incentive to run amtrak well because they are on the government dole. They get their funding no matter what. That's why Amtrak sucks.
pete5668 2 years ago
It's a real shame that the US now has a Third World rail network because of the lack of Political will to get people out of planes and their cars. Even the Spanish are whizzing around in 180mph+ trains now....
oocares 2 years ago
Ehh, traveling by air is better.
AmericanAirlinesRule 2 years ago
Depends how far you are going. Less than 400 miles and high speed rail (180mph+) is much quicker, easier and more environmental sound going city centre to city centre. London to Paris or Brussels in 2 hours...
oocares 2 years ago 6
I like airplanes a lot more. trains seem...boring
DerPilotMann 2 years ago
Me too.
AmericanAirlinesRule 2 years ago
yeah and to us in Europe, Spain to us is like Mexico to you
toolongtoremember 2 years ago
We don't have a 3rd world rail network. The systems in the US, Canada and Mexico are modern, heavy-tonnage railroads. We move massive amounts of freight over incredible distances. We do so safely and without taxpayer involvement.
In Europe your taxes support the railroads that operate short, light high-speed shipments. Different railroading for different purposes.
Due to distances here in NA....we fly.
It's not wrong. Just different.
Boss302fan 2 years ago 12
why sdeos amtrak alway's derail. poor guys have badluck. who leaves a freigth car on the passanger train railway?
tctendercrisp 2 years ago
omg, its not all passenger trains there dude, this is a yard if u havent noticed. the reason that train was sitting there was because they didnt get a signal.
in my opinion, the amtrak shouldve went into emergency. but idk im not an expert
ballparkfrank10 2 years ago
How do you know they did not go into emergency?
Boss302fan 2 years ago
because i live in chicago and i remember this on the news. if i remember correctly they didnt go into emergency
ballparkfrank10 2 years ago
From someone who has worked in the rail industry for his entire working career and having significant PR experience in dealing with the news media....trust me on this....the news "NEVER" gets it right. I doubt a single reporter would have a clue what emergency even means.
Boss302fan 2 years ago
ok, u got me there lol. but alls i know is that the signals got fucked up. so yeah lol
ballparkfrank10 2 years ago
Hmmm. Not really. From what I have gathered the signals were not fucked up. The engineer on the passenger train did not properly interprete them.
Boss302fan 2 years ago
same here
KartKing4ever 2 years ago
Uh other way around Amtrak runs passenger trains on freight railroads
Ham549 2 years ago 11
Who leaves them there? The freight railroads who own the track.
Boss302fan 2 years ago
fuckk
artecatra 2 years ago
did the people get out?
tweety9102 2 years ago
poor engine 8 lol
amtrk128 2 years ago
A recent NTSB report shows that the amtrak train engineer misread the signal, thus causing the Pere Marqutte to rear end the NS intermodel train.
bc14canada 2 years ago
What the fuck....stupid freight assholes.
KawasakiPlant 2 years ago
wait what do you mean stupid freight assholes? don't blame anyone until you know the facts
Guser223 2 years ago 6
WTF are you talking about. Although I am a professional railroader I am always willing to learn from those smarter than I.
Please explain your observation. What is it you see in this video that in any way indicates the operators of any freight railroad were responsible for this accident.
Can't wait to hear this.
charlieb640 2 years ago 6
bite me
walleye1969 2 years ago
Ha ha ha ha ha ha sweet crash
nkx1 2 years ago
that is TRAIN SEX
xxxyboy3000 2 years ago
i guess what they say is true, the Genesis can withstand a head on Colision. Just Like GE promised.
danielday36 3 years ago
Uh withstand no the older F40PH's were far safer and better in crashes than those POS.
Ham549 2 years ago
the front of the train in the last scene looks a bit like a face. creepy...
zeekers2012 3 years ago
amtrak vs intermodel
NorfolkWestern34 3 years ago
LOL that was funny! Just like the train wreck on Hancock!
wiley207 3 years ago
i ride the amtrak a lot but now i dont like it.
spotadam1 3 years ago
ppoor conductor did he survive?
trainsforever8 3 years ago
Two people in the cab - pretty beat up in the accident, but they both survived w/ injuries. I know one of them.
Sublette217 2 years ago 2
Way to go Amtrak! We could always count on you for stuff like that.
This one was most likely not your fault.
I feel so bad for that train.
287robot 3 years ago
( this vid makes me so sad. some1 msg me!! xD O
caroleen2007 3 years ago
Poor old #8...funny thing thing is, I had seen this engine twice, and the last time I saw it was just TWENTY-SIX days before this crash (11/4/07)- and I videotaped it, too. I guess it just goes to show you never know when your video might be historic!
Another strange thing is, I saw #8 on the exact same day (Nov 4th) seven years earlier!
EverywhereWest 3 years ago
thats one way to stop a train quickly
pengapop12 3 years ago
pengapop12 (4 months ago)
thats one way to stop a train quickly
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EXACTLY what I was thinking. heh
StarryKid06 2 years ago
I feel bad for the last car of the freight train, imagine if there was a camera on FRED...wow, that would be a video to see
Hermdog69 3 years ago
you all say it was the engineer, the dispatch, the signals, the male, the female, but looks like to me it was a spagehttie and meatballs waiting to happen. anyway, the engineer should file for a patent on the new front end design for the P40!
techphy100 3 years ago
This is the train I take to Chicago from Grand Rapids where I live; I am a little scared to go back on it, but hey man its Chicago!
sherrilynne1974 3 years ago
the dispatcher fucked up, the accident was at 15mph and as far as i heard no one was hurt to bad ???
shorehamsoo 3 years ago
DS didn't fuck up, the Engineer did... Thought he was on a slow approach but was actually on a restricting, so he was doing 40 and prepared to stop at the next signal when he should have been doing 15 prepared to stop short of ANYTHING on the tracks ahead (Including but not limited to a bad switch, derail, red flag, freight train, etc). Add in the other trains moving on either side and yeah, it was a recipe for disaster. Nobody was killed but some crewmembers were seriously hurt.
Jaanfo 3 years ago 3
uh.....whoops?
TheArtsyTuber 3 years ago
cool
petergriffin986 3 years ago
ouch!!!!
ES44ACKCSM 3 years ago
Why was he going so fast in the yard?
imbologna 3 years ago
The moron running the engine was grandstanding. I reckon the moron was fired along with the rest of the brain donors in the cab that day.
and0243 3 years ago
The signals displayed the wrong indication. It was a combination of dispatcher and engineer error.
ConnyJ10 3 years ago
Signal displayed the right signal, displayed a restricting signal... What happened was the engineer confused it for a Slow Approach (which uses the same aspect on a different RR) and sped up to 40 MPH rather then staying at 15. When the mistake was pointed out and realized he engaged the emergency brakes but it was too late.
Jaanfo 3 years ago 2
good god...i'm glad nobody was killed
anvil357 3 years ago
was anyone seriously hurt?
Jasondvg 3 years ago
no one was killed
Leifanator 3 years ago
This accident happened the day before I took Amtrak from Chicago to Los Angeles.
jaybrad77 3 years ago
Horray! I FINALLY managed to find video footage of a bona fide derailment! Thanks, man!
Amtraniac 3 years ago
There are a good deal of them the best one was the British nuclear flask test where they crashed a train at 100 m.p.h.
Ham549 3 years ago
Yes, the flask one. You could enjoy it knowing no one was injured.
WWBZT1 3 years ago
Wonder if that engine will ever run the rails again?
NEBY25 3 years ago
Whoops.
jba1995 3 years ago
OH MAN! THAT WAS HORRIBLE!
1f5sda 4 years ago
oh no!
thetrainman407 4 years ago
Go AmSLAM!!!!
blisster01 4 years ago
i am surprized that amtrak did not get sued. Anyway i am sure the engineer got fired because he or she did not follow the speed limit.
Bigkarch 4 years ago
Yeah. The news said he was going more than twice the speed limit of 15mph, that means more than 30. Morons those amtrak engineers are!
LNERMallard 3 years ago
shovit your face hole
railmogul2 3 years ago
agreed, there are tons of amtrak crashes you hear about...
ITALIANdaSTALION 3 years ago
agreed, there are tons of amtrak crashes you hear about...
ITALIANdaSTALION 3 years ago
The funny thing is, the engineer in question had just come over from the UP. He was a freight engineer. The BRAND NEW engineer was the one that started raising questions. It turns out she was right.
ThirdRail7 3 years ago
the accident report said he was reading a New York Central style signal that he thought was a C&NW style signal
railmogul2 3 years ago
What happened here?? What went wrong? Was anyone hurt?
Cchrisbud813 4 years ago
The train enginer must be a deedeedee cuz he probley never thought to apply the emergancy brakes. Buts thats my opinon
Stupidaso2 4 years ago
Even with emergency breaks, it takes pretty long to completely stop a train. Something must have went wrong.
Cchrisbud813 4 years ago 3
What a POS that P42 is - it hit basically a flimsy sheet metal container and was trashed.
gwuengr2 4 years ago 3
I have video footage of that exact locomotive just six months prior to this crash. I will post it as a video response.
sasilv1129 4 years ago
Nice video of #8 on the earlier trip. This accident sure was a waste of a great engine.
railfunny 4 years ago
"Nice video of #8 on the earlier trip. This accident sure was a waste of a great freight car."
-fixed
Ham549 4 years ago
Idiot. How can you mistake a restricting for a medium approach? (that's what he thought he had)even so medium approach is slow to 30mp immediately. Idiot.
billyraybar 4 years ago
The Engine Driver is live????
Szergej001 4 years ago
THat p42 is gone!
alx2925 4 years ago
ouch
wingman552 4 years ago
lol, consoles damn near flew out the windshield! good everybodys more or less ok though.
midaran 4 years ago
Attention you-tubers!!! Ignore all videos and comments from RRSloth. He is just a green new hire that doesn't know too much about the railroad. I see he is also a foamer and in violation of Union Pacific policy by filming these videos while on duty. His name is WILLIAM L.MYERS working out of Portland, Oregon. The posting of all these videos is currently under investigation.
You've been caught Billy!!!!
MOPinPDX 4 years ago
I don't know much about railroads, but from what I am reading, it appears that there is no established nation wide standard for rail road signals.
Thats retarded! it would be like if you drive your car into another state, red means go and green means stop. I hope this is a wake-up call for NTSB to make a single standard.
monte0007 4 years ago
You have to remember that the railroads years ago had their own "styles" of signals. That's how we have color, searchlight, position, and color position signal types. Through the mergers that have gone on over the past few decades, lines with different signal types have been combined. Unless the signals are upgraded for maintenance or financial reasons, they're generally left as is, and crews must learn their routes and the signals on them.
chatanugadotorg 4 years ago 2
And the original reason for each road having a different system is that the characteristics of each road were different: a high-density, high-speed road with a mix of passenger and freight in the Northeast will require a different set of signal aspects to facilitate operations than, say, a single-track, moderate-density all-freight railroad out West. (For example, the former might employ 45-MPH turnouts and four-block signaling; the latter, nothing but 15-MPH turnouts and three-block signaling)
aeolus925 4 years ago
Can You Say "Puppy Mill Engineer" from Wilmington rush rush training center of knowledge? I wonder where his and her classmates are working?
Jeff4098 4 years ago
Note the person filming the crash here refuses to warn the Amtrak Engeneer. He should of phoned Amtrak and told them this was going to happen so the engeneer knew. This would likly prevent this crash.
canadiancatgreen 4 years ago
This was an unmanned camera owned by the railroad and monitored by the city
Aeschris 4 years ago 2
In other words, it was a surveilence camera (sorry for spelling) :)
wiiliketofly 4 years ago 2
so the city never told Amtrak
was this on porpose or a acciedent
canadiancatgreen 4 years ago
that's true.
lirr56890 4 years ago
Did the maniac engeneer get put in jail for life?
The idiot could of hurt someone when he decided he wanted to hit the other train.
canadiancatgreen 4 years ago
que raro que choque un amtrak
yourpageitsasheed 4 years ago
And to think, I just left Chicago on the 13th to N'awlins on the City of New Orleans.
weatherman2007 4 years ago
keep in mind engineers running that train go across the former Grand Trunk, CSX, NS, and Amtrak trackage on that route. Each route has its own unique signal system. Thats what can make it confusing. Grant it is no excuse for misreading the signal but that is a possibility. However a restricting signal is displayed on all their signal systems the same.
vindogus 4 years ago
From photos taken during Norfolk Southern part of the investigation. That Amtrak engine is most likely a scrapper. In the collision the floor buckled so in the cab there was less than 4 feet of head room floor to ceiling. One of the seats with one of the engineer's grip was embedded in the ceiling and the desktop control stand was push up through the windshield.
vindogus 4 years ago
WOW
BLAKEamtrak 4 years ago
Well, I think in the end, someone is going to be losing there job, there would be hell to pay if this occured in my Harrisburg East territory.
Hickler90 4 years ago
bloody lucky the head end crew survived!!! The boys'll be shopping for new shorts I bet!!! I know I would!!!
cratergrease 4 years ago
my mom was on that.
im sereious.
audriexpeace 4 years ago
When will godzilla stop leaving his hotwheels
toys lying around? lol...no seriously, that
must have been a really jarring moment for
the conductor, assuming the train had one.
produde2008 4 years ago
How did you come across this video?? NTSB hasn't released this yet.
chicagorehab247 4 years ago
Has this been determined as a human factor incident??? It would seem that it is because of the distance involved before this crash, but I wouldn't want to speculate...There is a possibility of a ctc malfunction which put this train on a diverging route and the engineer complied with the signal indication.. Another question is, was this cab signal territory?
chytown2k 4 years ago
This is not cab signal territory.
railfunny 4 years ago
Damn Amtrak is getting worse every year. What a great way to end 2007!
BoxcarFrank 4 years ago
Actually if you do some research you'll find the FRA reportable rate has improved. Through September of this year the rate improved considerably. What this accident does to the rate remains to be seen, however, being that it's the end of the year the overall accident rate for 2007 likely will remain better than years past. Meaning you're full of shit Frank.
bmwr1150rider 4 years ago
The above claim is based on research of the Federal Railroad Administration accident rate data for human factor accidents operating on main track. Data indicates a total of 5 such accidents in 2006 with 3 in 2007 prior to this accident. Which still suggests that you're full of shit, Frank.
bmwr1150rider 4 years ago
yes they are forced to lower their standards for all employees even engineers because theys gets so muches governments moneys. Get my drifts dude.
Jeff4098 4 years ago
Man, I hope everyone will survive.
CSXRP 4 years ago
I live in Chicago, and they just did a news report on how ya someone leaked this video, but they don't know who it was
PsychedelicGuy 4 years ago
My pops works for Amtrak. The video was offically released by Amtrak, it was not a leak.
pacman467 4 years ago
so did your pops release this video?
68jaytee68 4 years ago
he got it in an email released offically from amtrak. Amtrak relased it to the public
pacman467 4 years ago
Bullshit - no way - you're full of shit pacman. No way they released this video, much less e-mailed it to people.
bmwr1150rider 4 years ago
no bullshit - my uncle works for the railroad. He did get a video, too. It was released publicly.
ronthecyborg 4 years ago
5 in the cab is a serious FRA violation
rutlandrr 4 years ago
They had a relief crew on board....How is that a violation?
NOOK17 4 years ago
Guess you better get a rule book. 4 in the cab is the max no matter who or what they are
rutlandrr 4 years ago
By the way, there were 5 people IN the locomotive at the time of impact! That tells me distraction might have been a strong contributing factor here.
elizara54 4 years ago
its good all those people r safe tho. How did u get the vid!?!?!?
ragingfire1 4 years ago
...how did u get this footage...oh and this vid is on the news..nice job..but really how did u get the footage..
ragingfire1 4 years ago
This is security camera footage from a camera that happened to be pointing north at the time; it doesn't say whether this is owned by Norfolk Southern, Amtrak, or the Chicago Police Department.
lpangelrob 4 years ago
It's on just about every train message board on the internet. I got a copy from trainorders.
railfunny 4 years ago
I wonder, did you turn this footage over to the cops? Local news is acting like seeing it on YouTube is the first time investigators have ever seen or heard of this footage. What a far-reaching tool this YouTube thing is...
DroverChicago 4 years ago
Update - Everyone is out of the hospital now, there were no fatalities. The train was doing 35-40mph at the time of the accident. Investigators are trying to figure out why the train was speeding.
railfunny 4 years ago
Limit was 15 mph. and in fact the driver was 40 mph. The usual limit on that track is 80 but was 15 at that tiem because of the other train on the track.
driver probably thought 15 wayy to slow so decided to go 40mph
jhansher78 4 years ago
They is no way that train should have been going nearly that fast, it was passing through a train yard. Train yard are not clearways to go fast.
kwkable11 4 years ago
You don't understand that this accident occurred on the MAIN TRACK, not on a 'yard track.' IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT AND YOU CAN'T BACK UP YOUR IGNORANT CLAIMS, THEN THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE: DON'T MAKE THEM!
bmwr1150rider 4 years ago
shut up
frogscar 4 years ago
Don't talk about ignorant claims because I am not the ignorant person here, you are. If it were a main track, which it may as well could have been, something went terribly wrong because (1) a passenger train was going too fast for conditions and (2) what appeared to be a train yard scenario with slow moving trains on both sides was where the accident took place. But don't get on here telling people about being ignorant because your response to my comment MAAM shows who is really ignorant.
kwkable11 4 years ago
I can't believe that injured 51 people!
s7o0a0p 4 years ago
You try running into a wall or a seat at 35 mph and see how you turn up.
lpangelrob 4 years ago
I live in Chicago and i See this Exact amtrak train everyday and i am so surprised at the Engineer. And the Engineers are Fine.
Jabbajawz4life 4 years ago
Holy Crap!
Mikey34549 4 years ago
So is that P42 totaled?
LightMyFire92 4 years ago
Yeah, it's scrap metal. The undercarriage was torn off, and the frame is warped.
railfunny 4 years ago
About $1.3M in damage
djo9c1 4 years ago
I'm sure glad I wasn't on that train. Although I'd pick a train wreck over a plane crash any day!
aspie8086 4 years ago
That's former Pennsylvania RR track with position indicator lights. Is it possible the rookie engineer confused the signals? "- over /" is approach medium (following a moving train on the track ahead), "- over \" is restricted speed (stopped train on the track ahead). People mix up / and \ in URL's all the time...
glutenfree83 4 years ago
I doubt it, since one misinterpreted signal will end a career.
railfunny 4 years ago
Actually the signal they took at CP Englewood is a color signal not the old position signal. Red over Yellow, Restricting, not to exceed 15mph, prepared to stop in half the range of vision.
grutzius 4 years ago
what can be confusing about that Red over flashing yellow is medium approach
vindogus 4 years ago
Just curious do you work for the RR? cause I work for the BNSF out here in Washington state and red over yellow is a diverging approach aspect which basicaly means proceed at prescribed timetable speed through turnout and be prepared to stop at the next signal. Im not being a smartass, just curious if the signal system is different out there.
gotobeans 4 years ago
That is exactly what the engineer thought, diverging approach but he forgot. This territory he was running on was NORAC rules not GCOR, and red over yellow is restricting, and NORAC restricting has a max speed of 15mph. You have to remember, Chicago has a bunch of different railroads, and we all run over each other's territory. The CORA book is over 500 pages long and covers all the signals and rules in brief for each railroad.
Cruiser95fm 4 years ago 3
Sounds like a pain in the Ass. Bet the company officials have a field day Ops testing you guys. Be safe out there. Oh and Jeff4098 Im not sure if your post was directed at me but for the Record I am not a Hoghead I am a Conductor with fifteen years seniority. Not exactly a rookie. If it was directed at me you can kiss my ass if not Have a nice day.
gotobeans 4 years ago 2
Um, NO.....pennys signals are
"stop on top, speed is first" "-" over "/" is Slow Approach
Norac rule 288
bmichel5581 4 years ago
It looks like they were on a curve. If they were traveling at restricted speed, they should have been traveling at less than 20mph, in order to be able to stop within half of the visible unobstructed track ahead.
RailLifesaver 4 years ago
Are you sure they were only doing 20? From the video, it looks like they were doing at least 30.
highspeedrailfan 4 years ago
All the news reports say 20mph. The event recorder data hasn't been recorded/reported yet.
railfunny 4 years ago
Naw, they were doing 40 per the lastest news. Anyone looking at that video could tell that they were not going 20mph. Maybe one of the trains on the other tracks was.
kwkable11 4 years ago
If it was a signal problem, I hope the fix it, so this doesn't happen again.
essexmt 4 years ago
Why did they not stop before crashing???
HoblikBrno 4 years ago
They probably couldn't see it coming.
railfunny 4 years ago
Engineer of the Amtrak train had a restricting signal, meaning to proceed at 15 mph or be able to stop in half your sight distance so that it could pull up behind the freight. Instead the engineer accelerated to 40, came around the curve, and hit the freight.
chatanugadotorg 4 years ago
Not really his fault though. He might have been a vetran a was used to always getting that sign.
SF3751 4 years ago
Actually I heard that he was a newbie driver, like about 3 months into the job or so. Either way the fault maybe due to him, or it may be due to equipment failure. But yeah I've also heard of veterans doing that kinda stuff.
NickyVeee 4 years ago
actually there were 2 engineers. The one that was not running was the 3 month veteran, she was the one that pointed out when it was too late that she thinks the last signal was a restricting. The veteran was sure it was medium approach. And making mistakes with signals is ALWAYS the crews fault. being complacent is the number one killer in railroading
vindogus 4 years ago
Non agreement with signals is a killer...Im a u.p. hog head and conflict on signals in the cab is never a fun thing...and the old heads sometimes are wrong.
bestrex84 3 years ago
Pretty wild stuff
armyleggy 4 years ago
Next stop Chicago.
philr1962 4 years ago
Ouch!
5thgreat 4 years ago
What a mess. Has anyone heard an update on how the crew is doing?
NSCatFish 4 years ago
Decertification and now on the street
vindogus 4 years ago