i dont understand while people are so narrow minded. the 5.0 mustang brought back the muscle car war. Ford is making big power with little displacement with new technology. Chevy is making big power with bigger displacement but still running pushrods. i drive a stang and race a 71 Chevelle. im an american car guy till i die, however i give respect to anyone who has a fast car regardless of the make. dont get me wrong, i will take a slower V-8 any day over a 4 banger.
not a real cobra.....mexicans dont have cobras....but they do buy stock gt's, put loud exhaust on them, paint them lime green with cobra badges and call them "COBRAS"....sorry but i can here that SOHC motor and it isnt a DOHC cobra.....
@FrisbeeBaller17 ....this camaro pulled good....but a gt of this year was like 215hp... vs a 305hp cobra....it would be alot closer, haha...but if this is a 350ci H/C/I N/A camaro...its is most likely around 340-360hp...
305=5.0 5.0=2011 Mustang GT engine pushing out an underrated 412hp. Don't you dare tell me a 305 can't make power. I don't care how much money it costs, you can do it. I have a 91 RS with the LO3 305. I've never dynoed but with $2500 i am taking on LT1's and dead f****** even with the firebreathing LS1. 4th gen GT's? Forget them. They're toast. So they CAN scream when you call for power
Calm down that was probly a v6 with that slow ass maro so loud but it was barely going anywere my 98 cobra would smaaaaaaash that maro with bald tires on a sick day .single cam? Mite aswell be a honda sukas doch
@twheadon5 lol i could take your 98 cobra to the cleaners with my 86 iroc and i have the 305 in it but not just a normal 305 so bet youd feel pretty gay getting smashed by my iroc with a 305 huh? fucking dick weed
Sorry.... That got messed up.... What i meant was the roushe and svt are the only two, post 69, mustangs worth owning and they technically aren't made by ford
Around here ppl run high 13 low 12's in a lot of cars.... Point I'm making is with no bolt ons, no special tires, just good driving... Ppl in ls1 camaros and trans ams are running high twelves with stock/ factory engines with 120(+),000 mile motors.... But if they were to put a nice set of wheels and some minor bolt ons, cai, headers, catback, they would be high twelves to mid twelves. I was just making the point Mach mustangs aren't " all that", I like mustangs... But to me a rouche, and svt a
Why are u ppl bashing mustangs Camaros non of that stuff matters the camaro was just a faster car the stang lost that day I beat stangs all day in my IROC 305 but sure y'all not going to beleave me look at my vids and look up TRYMEHws6 98ws6 with ls2 swap so he say but he was not stock I know him and I drove in his car but he had to run me down. Shit u win some u loose some all these sore loosers on Youtube
that is not a cobra...mexicans dont own cobra's...but they do buy gt's and put cobra body kits on them and then paint them lime green along with some cobra emblems
Agreed! He must be. Everything I read up on the Mach 1, they weren't that much faster than a stock lt1, if any bit faster. I've seen lt1 camaros run 13.5 at the track with better tires and suspension alterations, but bone stock motor. But when you supercharged the Mach 1, which is what most do as soon as they buy them, they are pretty quick, but then again... You have to boost them to make them worth a decent race.
I had a 94 z28 13.01 @ 108mph, got beat by my best friends 2002 z28, he ran a 12.98 all stock all he did was use drag radials, I used street tires. I had mods he was all stock. In fact every z28/ss ls1 that has ran here at Jacksonville, they are running an average of 13-13.3 in the 1/4. That's faster than a stock 03/04 mach 1.
2003 MUSTANG MACH 1 TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS 2002 SEMA POWERTRAIN Engine Engine Layout Front engine, rear-wheel drive Engine Type MOD 4.6L DOHC V-8 Displacement 4.6L, 281 cu. in. Horsepower @ rpm 305 @ 5800 Torque lb.-ft. @ rpm 320 @ 4200 Redline (Automatic) 5800 rpm (6250 fuel cutoff) (Manual) 6800 rpm (7050 fuel cutoff) Compression Ratio 10.1:1 Not too sure but that's about 13.5 in the 1/4...give or take a tenth. Stock ls1 camaros ran low 13 to high 12's. I personally know this, I had a 94
And a 5.7 is 4.0 bore. I didn't say ls1. Ls1 is not technically a 350 it's a 346. I have a 350, stock 4.0 bore. I'm sry, you are correct... When I said the bore of a 4.6, I was meaning 5.0. That's a miss type.
Funny!! Then my neighbors cars must be rare equipped cars.... Hmmm his gt has a dohc. And his mach1 lost to the guy across the street with an 00' formula, auto- ls1 stock. And he has a nasty miss, which is another funny thing, bc the neighbor that owns the mustangs, is fixing the miss. I'll be sure to let him know he has a one off.... Make that two off bc my dads gt has dohc.
Aerodynamics, mustangs lack it. I have never lost to a stock gt mustang. Modded, that's a different story. Although my friend blew his 427 stroker racing me.... When you're not afraid to take your Camaro to it's limits, you'll never lose ;)
Your 88 isn't stock is it?? Nope! I believe they were speaking stock vs stock. Mod any of those camaros, you say you "spank", and they would destroy your mustang. 13 whatever seconds you posted, my 94 I just sold ran 13.01 @ 108, that's with lt headers, cai, 3-1/2" exhaust, and high output opti, with good tires.
Personally, I have a 91, have had an 83, 86, 90, 91, and 92 of the third gens, all stock besides headers and k&n, all beat 91-92 mustangs. Thing called aerody
The anniversary 02 ss was nothing special but a stripe kit and some decals.... The 02 camaro y'all are thinking of is the ZL1 camaro.... Until the bugatti veyron came out, that camaro held the record for the fastest produced car at 252 mph, and ran 10 seconds in the quarter, with different tires, they had it in the 9 second range, with a 427 small block aluminum engine.
@motohorse87 I hope you mean 03/04 cobra, because the mach 1's were barely faster than the GT's. The only thing GM would have to be embarrassed about, is having to race such an uncompetetive car.
The funniest thing I have read is the 96 cobra vs the 97 lt1 camaros... The most powerful fourth gens were the 97, not all, but the ssz28 camaros had an lt4 not an lt1. Cobras are supercharged, not n/a. And as far as 351 vs 350 weight vs weight.... The only reason mustangs had a chance was bc of the dohc, take that away with the 351, they lose.... Badly, that's why they went with dohc.
@Badrs2810 no, 96-01 Cobra were NA, 96-98 had "B" DOCH heads and used IMRC plates in the intake, 99 and 01 CObra's used "C" heads, they ALL are 4.6 (281 CID) except for the 2000 Cobra R which used a DOHC 5.4 (330 CID) and prototype versions of the Ford GT heads...
and FWIW, the 95 Cobra R, which is the ONLY SN95 to come stock with a 351W, made better numbers than the LT1 Camaro's back in the day, with GT40 iron heads and a garbage cam... most dyno at around 300rwhp, and thats a 9:1 motor...
@harutmakina driver plays a huge role. I knew a guy who went 12.87 with his z28 bone stock. I think it was a 2000. Some people can just drive their asses off.
@SpeedDemions420 uhh, yeah, it did go back and forth. 67-70 mustangs were dominating. Mid 70s the camaro was better. Mid 80s the mustang took over again. 94-98 the camaro was quicker in most trim levels. The cobras held their own, in 99 the mustang started to take back over, and it did when it killed off the camaro in 02. It's back now, but still getting beat by mustangs.
@Milehighsnake98 heh....The SS Camaros blew away the cobras right up until their final production year (2002). The IROC-Z 5.7 TPI cars were all faster than the mid 80s Mustangs as well. The Mustang didn't "kill off" the Camaro. GM's brand-manager advertising structure did.
@johntvette No, the mustang did a fair job killing it. Between being better assembled, easier to drive, more comfortable, not to mention you could actually SEE out of a mustang, cheaper insurance rates than the Camaro...And the fact that Ford sold as many Cobras in 2001 as GM sold ALL Camaros in 2002...
@Milehighsnake98 "easier to drive, more comfortable" those are subjective views, of which you are in the minority. Performance wise, it wasn't even close. At no time during the 4th gen run for the F-bodies were the Mustangs competitive.
Comfortable? I have to revisit that one....Surely you jest! The Mustangs were known for cheap interiors and awful seats.
@johntvette You obviously haven't sat in a 4th gen Camaro then. Never seen even panel gaps, Lego makes better quality plastics, no visibility out of any of the windows, especially the rear window. And nobody who owns any generation F body can say ANYTHING about quality. And FYI, a 96 Cobra is faster than a 96 SS or Z28. Same with 97. 98-01 were about even. Except the mustangs handled slightly better, and braked far better.
@Milehighsnake98 Do you just make this stuff up? The 96 SS was absolutely faster than a 96 Cobra and same for 97. The 4th Gen Camaro seats were light years ahead of the Mustang seats. I'm not saying the Camaro's seats were great, but they were compared to those flat, no side support having mustang seats. I've never had any visibility issues in the Camaro. Certainly not worse than the cramped Mustang view.
Actually you got it backwards the Camaros were known for cheap interiors and awful seats. I don't know what camaros you've been in or any GM sports car hell the Vette to this day is cheesy inside and poked at for being cheap. The only decent interior GM product that I have ever been in was the Newer GTO's for the money they werent that bad. Performance wise my 01 cobra when it was stock it never had a problem with Ls1 z28's,SS,Trans ams,WS6 either won or lost by a nose???
I agree with you to a extent about Fon. rd being bested by Chevrolet and vise-versa but Mustang didn't own Camaro between 96-02 by any stretch of the imagination. The Lt1 rap ed that puny 4.6 day in & day out & the Ls1 routinely outran them without breaking a sweat. When 2003 came around though the Mustang was a monster esp that damn bad-ass Cobra.
@brokdik99 Actually, the DOHC 4.6 mustangs could beat the 14 second LT1s just fine, the LS1s were much more trouble, but were also much more of a drivers race. Driven right, a 96-01 Cobra could go 13.30s, and driven right a 98 LS1 could go 13.0 with a couple freaks going 12.9 stock with phenomenal drivers. The GTs, yeah you're right. They were pretty anemic, though the 99-04s could at least run high 13s.
When my 01 cobra was stock (stock everything) I routinely ran 13.1-13.30's at 101-107. Off of a dragstrip with highway pulls or even street light starts I honestly have to say I bested all Ls1 f-body variants probly a 2-1 win ratio ws6's and z28's where close the SS honestly where weak. On a road course which is what 99-01 cobras where really set up for wasn't even a comparison the handeling is so much smoother than the f-body anyone that drove/raced both will tell you that.
With drag radials and 4.30 gears with tune I was runnin 12.4-12.7 at 112-115. Those DOHC mod motors are monsters with big rear gears something LSx motors have a hard time streeting. Take that 6800 rpm cap of that DOHC set it to 7500 rpm limit with stock intake manifold that motor will run circles around an Ls1 with the same mods It just breaths better throughout the rpm band less peak tq but usable tq in rpm band is 10x better. The 4.6L and 5.7L are small blocks each are puny.
Ive got the good ol cobra runnin 10.25s at 137mph now alot more mods now but shes still NA on a 5.0l. Like I said before the High rpm with a great HCI set up this 96-01 NA DOHC Mod. will run with any LSx series motor just a little more expensive to do. Remember the 4v heads make up for the 70 ci loss no problem.
Motors are nothin but airpumps and its easier and more efficient to have a smaller ci motor draw in air from a 4v head than it is for a larger ci motor to force air in past only 2v's givin the same cylinder quantity.
some people ..boy i tell ya lol can you imagine if the mustangs came with a 351 instead of a 281?? and let the z28 and the mustang weight the same and chevy keep there 350...it would be a bad situation for chevy..but!! i have had many mustangs...and i am now looking at buying me my 1st ls1 z28 ...i just want to see what all the fuss is about..because it looks to me like gto has the shit right now??
that is not a cobra...mexicans dont own cobra's...but they do buy gt's and put cobra body kits on them and then paint them lime green along with some cobra emblems
@ROBBY639 Yes the sure as hell can do that, but who's to say it's not a cobra? Because a built 350 can have well over 400whp, while a near stock 97 cobra would have less than or right around 300whp.
@admiraljimmy "a built 350 CAN have well over 400whp" Can is the key word here.. I have seen many "built" 350 chevy motors that wouldn't touch 300 horse at the wheels let alone 400.. It just depends what you describe "built" as..
@Fireshaker9117 Apparently it's built well enough to leave an sn95 cobra, why does everyone act like that's such a hard accomplishment? If he was racing an 03-04 i'd call bullshit, but he's not it's a 97 n/a 32valve 4.6, not God, my 04 gt keeps up with my buddies 97 cobra in a roll with pretty much the same bolt ons. Out the hole is different, that's where his 315/35 r17 tires and 3.55 gears help. But yes being "built" can mean a lot of different things, top end, bottom end, etc..
@admiraljimmy I dont really think the issue most has here is that the camaro cant beat the cobra, I think its that the mustang isnt a real cobra. who would take a car that has less than a few years being a classic worth some bank and paint it lime green? dont mean to sound racist but i know alot of mexicans around my town that does just that. and they put fake badges on them as well. Im just sayin.
@tobroke2007 Not racist at all lol, just pointing out what everyone knows.. and to be honest I didn't really even think about it but yeah lime green isn't exactly a factory color...
@iamcoolpeanuts haha i cant come up with a cool ass slogan but i have gone though several chevys only good thing is there engines are bullet proof but everything else is shit i put about 7 grand into my old camaro but spend another 9k on just repairing the body but im a ford guy now and its not hard to figure out why
@iamcoolpeanuts yea...find something new to say you poser...that has been around for years, how about CHEVY...Cheap, Hardly Efficient, Virtually Run On Luck Every Time....or How do you make a Chevy go faster down hill?....turn the engine off....see there are alot worse jokes for chevy than ford...sorry
@SpeedDemons420 look dude dont try to start something..im a chevy and ford fan...both are awsome....but what you said is not true...mustang was over camaro 65-73...camaro was over ford 74-82...mustang was over camaro 83-93....camaro was over ford 94-95...mustang was over camaro 96-02...camaro went out due to not enough sales because of mustang...06 camaro was better...07-12..mustang has been better...all of this has been from multible reviews ever since the race started...stock vs stock
@ROBBY639 No offense dude but i said in PERFORMENCE not sales the Mustang was not even close to the Camaros performence in 96-02 what kinda drugs are you on can i try? the 4.6 was never on the LS1's level even in the latest 4.6 models 05-09? I love Mustangs dont get me wrong i like ford and chevy im just stating facts Camaros where always faster untill recently
@SpeedDemons420 well, if i am correct the ls1's were in the ss...not the z28..the z28 was in the gt class...you cant compare apples to oranges..but indeed the cobra was and they were very close, they were in the same tests together, they both had ups and downs and the cobra came out ahead...but i dont really care...all of them i would drive..but all in all this guy makes a bad name for ford guys or even muscle cars to lie and say he has a cobra...
@ROBBY639 Actually LS1s where in the Z28s from 98-02 and made basically the same power as the SS's like a 10 bhp diff if there was one. Btw they never made Camaros on 06... and the Terminator didnt come out till the Camaros where done. Year for year Camaros where faster even the 94 Z28's with the LT1's had 285bhp 04 Mustang GT's had 260... so there ya go i like Mustangs just as much tho
@SpeedDemons420 Have to correct you a little. LS1 were in Z28 but there really was no HP difference unless you got the SLP options. I know alot of guys who chose the Z28 because it was actually lighter. Also the LT1 had 275 hp unless you were lucky enough to get an SS which was on par with the LS1 with the HP numbers. From 93-02 Camaro owned Mustang. I owned an 89 GT a 94 Z28 and an 02 SS Camaro.
@ftsk420 Yeah i know the SS and Z28 from 98-02 where rated diff tho but where the same and any LS1 Camaro is faster than any Mustang GT from 97-02 both LT1 and LS1 gens Chevy>Ford the Terminator didnt come out till Camaros where gone
@SpeedDemons420 I will say Mustang are easier to mod then 4thgen Camaro. Anybody could mod a mustang in their garage but the 4th gen Camaro was a lil harder. Worst part of the LT1 opti spark. But pound for pound their is no better motor then the LS1.
@Milehighsnake98 There is, but it takes a lot of engineering. Take a look at Ferrari engines. All N/A (F40 not included). Air charge is sometimes better than volume.
@johntvette No, there isn't. Because you can apply the same principles to a larger engine and make more power. That's why if you have a 200hp 2.5L, you do the same thing to a 5.0L engine and end up with about 400hp.
@SpeedDemons420 Actually, the last of the Camaros in 02 were still available plenty when the 03 cobra came out. The 03 was actually an 02, but because it came in late in the model year, Ford just changed the VIN and made them all 2003s.
@ROBBY639 Sorry dude but your numbers are fail. There was no 06 Camaro first of all. Second Mustang couldn't touch Camaro from 93 till 02 those are facts trust me.
@ROBBY639 All you said was right accept 96-02 Camaro was over mustang; the 98 Z28 was 305HP looked a lot better and the 98 GT was 260HP and ugly as shit and the camaro raped it in every magazine; I remember because this feud back in High School in 1998; Chevy topped it; then they came out with the cobra-R which became and ejaculation motive for all the gear heads yet no one could buy one; then in 03; no more camaro because mustang sold more; then the Cobra came out with 390HP engine;
@ROBBY639 But ultimately as a car dude; the Best as far as NEW is concerned is 2002 Camaro SS 35th anv. T-top with a LS-7 engine and tranny from the Corvette ZO6; would rape any new mustang or camaro thats new; and as far as OLD in the 60's its all about the Mustang fastback 67 or 68 with a 429; as far as vintage 70's the best car then was the 74 Trans Am 455 SD; and the Best Corvette ever made was the 67 sting ray; no a fan of new vettes; best Viper; GT-S coupe Venome-R
@Harutmakina yea man..those 02 camaros are bad ass...extremly fast, but i dont think it would beat the NEW 2012 5.0...but hey...who keeps the stock anyways haha....totally agree on everything else, yea 74 TA was sooo much faster than those pos mustang2's...i wanted a 99-02 trans am, but couldnt find one in good condition, they have bad history repair records too...so i got some foxbody mustangs
@ROBBY639 Na a new mustang or camaro would smash on a 02 Camaro; For its time it was the shit; However, the 02 Camaro is still my favorite design and much lighter than the ugly ones they make today; So popping a corvette ZO6 drive train in there and you're in business HAHA
@ROBBY639 Na a new mustang or camaro would smash on a 02 Camaro; For its time it was the shit; However, the 02 Camaro is still my favorite design (camarowise) and much lighter than the ugly ones they make today; So popping a corvette ZO6 drive train in there and you're in business HAHA; Yea dude the 74 T/A was pretty much the only thing that was nice that year; It was then, that the market and quality crashed Pontiac kept fighting to stay alive! Really expensive now though; Dear Santa.....
@Milehighsnake98 thanks for the info; but I had a 1998 Z28 same specs as 01 and 02 and I do recall it pulled a 14; the SS pulled 13..9 these are stock specs; however, the handling was actually much better on those than on the new ones; I'm planning on buying a 2002 SS and dropping a ZO6 engine and tranny with full weight strip;
@johntvette i am talking about the car itself...and performance...the lt1's were shit, sorry...and the 08-2011 camaros are not as good as you might think they are, name ONE thing that they beat the mustang in of any year from 08-2011...the 2011 mustang, they do not even run against the camaro anymore because it has too high of performance stats...that is just the way it is....sorry
@ROBBY639 WHAT!? That paragraph you just puked all over youtube is bullshit. I see so many flaws in years its not even funny! 2006 Camaro? What? They didnt make an 06 Camaro! 93 Mustang better than the 93 Z28? Not as far as speed is concerned. The Lt1 has more balls stock vs stock than the good old 5 liter FoMoCo powerplant. My God son!! Not only that, but the 07-10 Stang is ok.. The 2011 GT is awesome!
@Milehighsnake98 No it didnt Stangs rarely had the upperhand and when they did it wasnt by much when the Camaros had the upperhand they murdered the Stangs
@ROBBY639 HAHA I like Ford and chevy and Dodge (real car dudes don't segregate its the model not the car company) but if you wanna piss em off just say chevrogay
@iamcoolpeanuts The amount of pure ignorance in this comment is simply remarkable.
For starters, it's "any" not "eney".
And you shouldn't say any stock Camaro Vs any stock Mustang, because a stock p.o.s 87 camaro couldn't come close to, say, a Terminator (by the way, that's a 2003/2004 Mustang Cobra), hell for that matter, hardly any Camaros could hang with a Terminator.
@IROCwarriorAMC88 That's what all the slow pussies say when they don't want to get embarassed. You ain't gonna run anyone with your slow shit and you know it. You go on home to mommy and let the real wrench turners worry about speed. She may have a dress all hemmed up for you already. LT1's have been mopping the floor with IROCs since 1992 and it will always be the case, loser. I'm done with your ignorant lying bullshitting ass because you don't want any of my LT1'ssss.
@IROCwarriorAMC88 Show me you're not a BOY when you bring that four figure amount to pay me when I lay the smack down on your stock IROC with my STOCK DOWN TO THE PAPER FILTER 93 TA....BOY. You ain't shit...your car ain't shit and you can only talk about running fast. I'm in Raleigh NC....let me know when you want to lose. I can arrange it with ease. If not then shut the hell up, boy. Your lies and bullshit bore me.
@IROCwarriorAMC88 Dude, you're a joke. I have owned both the 88 and 89 IROC with the 350 and it ain't no big deal. I know LS1's too since I own three of them. I got LT1's in the high tens with just cam and heads package. I run in the Lloyd Elliott and Jeff Creech circles, boy. You talk about raping, put up four figures to lose and we'll go at it with the stock 93 TA I own and I'll give you two lenghts in the quarter with your IROC and still take your money. This ain't no rookie here,boy.
@IROCwarriorAMC88 The IROC was just a marginally quick car and any....any....any LT1 will eat one alive. Been there and done that on both accounts. I have one LT1 that is BONE stock with 66,000 miles and it turns a 13.55 on street tires. That particular one is a 93 TA with speed density, 700r4, 2.73s. No stock IROC is anywhere close to that, none. Stock IROC was a 15 second car and full bolt ons couldn't get it out of the 14's. Facts are facts.
@IROCwarriorAMC88 Agreed. I still like the body style of your IROC-Z over the style that came right after it, with the LT1's and LS1's by a long shot. I had bolt-ons, cam, intake and exhaust on the 1986 GT 5.0, with 5-speed borg warner stick and hurst shifter. I swapped the stock 3.08 rear end for a 3.55, and was running low 13's on street tires. One thing is for sure, a 350 will make more power than a 302 with the same mods, because it's a bigger engine to start with and the GM V8 is great.
@IROCwarriorAMC88 All I know is whatever year they were, they lost. GTA's were the slowest of the lot. The IROC's were a tad quicker. I did get beat by one IROC, and the guy said it was a 1988 with a chip, and he didn't pull until 3rd gear anyway, plus I had 2 passengers, he only had his 100lb GF in front... -Peace.
@IROCwarriorAMC88 A 350 from 87-88 was SLOW. The 89's were quicker stock for stock than my 5.0. But by then, I'd modded it, so I was still KING. Poor Chevy... Took until the LT1 in the 90's to catch up... lol...
hahaha cobra stock on a 94-98 model comes with bout 320hp stock. 03-04 cobra rated at 390hp stock eaton s/c. clearly this aint no cobra it must be a gt in cobra bodykit but cnt be a cobra hahaha nice try. and we all know chevy rules!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@turbo98gt it was a V6 mustang. no dual exhaust, if it had cutouts it be loud as hell. and a real cobra driver ALWAY, I MEAN ALWAYS drives with fog lights ON, to indicate hey fuckers.. this aint no GT look at my round fog lights.
@santiagomel00 lol i know damn well it couldnt be a cobra. 94-98 cobra are fast but not that fast. which brings me to this question i have a 98gt i broken 3 belts within 1 and half wks what u think could be causing this???
@turbo98gt your serp belts? do you have under drive pulleys on? check the alignment of your pulleys. sometimes over the time the front main bolt that goes on the harmonic balancer might back off and cause it to sowly move forward. or check your pulleys for any damage that might cause a rigid edge. check your idler pulleys make sure they are free spining with no hesitation. bearings do wear out. also check the air conditioning compressor. the pulley might not be spinning when you turn it on.
Whats the number of hp on that 350! people just put 350 but theirs 3 or 4 different 350 engines! Plus i i think think that may be a fake cobra! 4.6 SOHC-215hp,.. 4.6 DOHC- 305hp(Cobra) cobras have more balls then that!
Thank God you yanked that POS 305 from that super slow stock 1986 IROC. God those cars are soooo slow with that stock 305... I used to own a 1986 Mustang GT and would SPOT IROC's a full length off the line and pass them on the 1-2 shift and be completely gone by the 2-3 shift. Even the 350's, up to 1988 were getting dusted. By 1989, things evened up and your built 350 is for sure a force...
@649alex do you like being obnoxious+wrong? Anyway, built 350 huh? Put a built 347 in the fox and admire it's tail lights. 350vs281- chicken shit. But the stang driver asked for it. Nice smack down dude
@649alex ROTFLOL!!!! I owned a 1986 GT 5.0 and DUSTED ALL F-BODY'S UP TO 1989. CryMaros used to turn rather than face me heads up at a light... Of course, they DID look sexier, I'll give you that much... But for acceleration, back in the 80's, nothing except a 'vette or GN could touch a 5.0. It's the truth and I was there, so I'd know... P.S. I've driven a GM for the past 16 years, so don't accuse me of bias... -peace.
dude nevermind those jealous ford guys, I have a friend who as a 04 termi cobra and I can't stay next to him from 100-200km, I can on 0-100 runs but that supercharger pushes like mad on rolling runs. So the fact that you eat cobras like that is proof that your IROC rocks!! :D
nice to see that camaro win
86IROCZ86 10 hours ago
A green mustang... Wow!
FastNewEdge 1 day ago
Hey you know what? Both are awesome cars. I like the camaro's more room but mustang is a compact house. I'll drive both and Love every minute of it
SN1PERNOSNIPING 2 days ago
i dont understand while people are so narrow minded. the 5.0 mustang brought back the muscle car war. Ford is making big power with little displacement with new technology. Chevy is making big power with bigger displacement but still running pushrods. i drive a stang and race a 71 Chevelle. im an american car guy till i die, however i give respect to anyone who has a fast car regardless of the make. dont get me wrong, i will take a slower V-8 any day over a 4 banger.
ttigerplaya 6 days ago
not a real cobra.....mexicans dont have cobras....but they do buy stock gt's, put loud exhaust on them, paint them lime green with cobra badges and call them "COBRAS"....sorry but i can here that SOHC motor and it isnt a DOHC cobra.....
ROBBY639 2 weeks ago
@ROBBY639 doesnt matter a the camaro was buiilt the mustang would have still lost.
FrisbeeBaller17 5 days ago
@FrisbeeBaller17 ....this camaro pulled good....but a gt of this year was like 215hp... vs a 305hp cobra....it would be alot closer, haha...but if this is a 350ci H/C/I N/A camaro...its is most likely around 340-360hp...
ROBBY639 5 days ago
@ROBBY639 i really dont care about speed, as long as she looks sharp and sounds mean! but mustangs and camaros are my two favorite muscle cars!
FrisbeeBaller17 3 days ago
I new I should have went with the Iroc-Z. Instead I bought an 1992 RS and am really regretting it.
CuuchCRUSHER 2 weeks ago
I think my 88 Iroc-z28 5.7L bored 350 TPI will smash all you!!! Lol for real, lovin the camaro's though.. Chevy all the the way busta
Irocxxzs 2 weeks ago
305=5.0 5.0=2011 Mustang GT engine pushing out an underrated 412hp. Don't you dare tell me a 305 can't make power. I don't care how much money it costs, you can do it. I have a 91 RS with the LO3 305. I've never dynoed but with $2500 i am taking on LT1's and dead f****** even with the firebreathing LS1. 4th gen GT's? Forget them. They're toast. So they CAN scream when you call for power
deadlyairsoft1 3 weeks ago
Bowtie till i die
14k4life 3 weeks ago 2
How much u sprayin??? Lol jkjk
dloc330 3 weeks ago
... that was an ugly paint job on that cobra lol
askloglog 2 months ago
Calm down that was probly a v6 with that slow ass maro so loud but it was barely going anywere my 98 cobra would smaaaaaaash that maro with bald tires on a sick day .single cam? Mite aswell be a honda sukas doch
twheadon5 2 months ago
@twheadon5 lets see a vid of your cobra then.
cutlassrkt 2 months ago
@twheadon5 lol i could take your 98 cobra to the cleaners with my 86 iroc and i have the 305 in it but not just a normal 305 so bet youd feel pretty gay getting smashed by my iroc with a 305 huh? fucking dick weed
The91489 1 month ago
Like A BOSS! ~Pct3ch~
Pct3ch 2 months ago
Sorry.... That got messed up.... What i meant was the roushe and svt are the only two, post 69, mustangs worth owning and they technically aren't made by ford
Badrs2810 2 months ago
And they aren't technically made by ford.
Badrs2810 2 months ago
Around here ppl run high 13 low 12's in a lot of cars.... Point I'm making is with no bolt ons, no special tires, just good driving... Ppl in ls1 camaros and trans ams are running high twelves with stock/ factory engines with 120(+),000 mile motors.... But if they were to put a nice set of wheels and some minor bolt ons, cai, headers, catback, they would be high twelves to mid twelves. I was just making the point Mach mustangs aren't " all that", I like mustangs... But to me a rouche, and svt a
Badrs2810 2 months ago
Why are u ppl bashing mustangs Camaros non of that stuff matters the camaro was just a faster car the stang lost that day I beat stangs all day in my IROC 305 but sure y'all not going to beleave me look at my vids and look up TRYMEHws6 98ws6 with ls2 swap so he say but he was not stock I know him and I drove in his car but he had to run me down. Shit u win some u loose some all these sore loosers on Youtube
sojer6mile 2 months ago
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lendada13 2 months ago
dammmmmmmmmmmnnnn
protectyaneck1120 2 months ago
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that is not a cobra...mexicans dont own cobra's...but they do buy gt's and put cobra body kits on them and then paint them lime green along with some cobra emblems
ROBBY639 3 months ago
The 97 Cobra is 305rwhp form the factory.
dylanmcown3d 3 months ago
@ticond.
Agreed! He must be. Everything I read up on the Mach 1, they weren't that much faster than a stock lt1, if any bit faster. I've seen lt1 camaros run 13.5 at the track with better tires and suspension alterations, but bone stock motor. But when you supercharged the Mach 1, which is what most do as soon as they buy them, they are pretty quick, but then again... You have to boost them to make them worth a decent race.
Badrs2810 3 months ago
I had a 94 z28 13.01 @ 108mph, got beat by my best friends 2002 z28, he ran a 12.98 all stock all he did was use drag radials, I used street tires. I had mods he was all stock. In fact every z28/ss ls1 that has ran here at Jacksonville, they are running an average of 13-13.3 in the 1/4. That's faster than a stock 03/04 mach 1.
road&track 2004 .
2003 Mach 1 0-60 5.2, 0-100 12.2, 1/4mile 13.7a 105.7, top speed 151 .
Badrs2810 3 months ago
@Badrs2810 That's faster than any pre-2011 mustang V8, other than the GT500's and the 03-04 cobras.
TiconderogaX 3 months ago
@Badrs2810 Around here most mach's with mild bolt-ons, stickies and tunes are running 13.0's to high 12's.
smallfry0764 2 months ago
Badrs2810 3 months ago
And a 5.7 is 4.0 bore. I didn't say ls1. Ls1 is not technically a 350 it's a 346. I have a 350, stock 4.0 bore. I'm sry, you are correct... When I said the bore of a 4.6, I was meaning 5.0. That's a miss type.
Badrs2810 3 months ago
Funny!! Then my neighbors cars must be rare equipped cars.... Hmmm his gt has a dohc. And his mach1 lost to the guy across the street with an 00' formula, auto- ls1 stock. And he has a nasty miss, which is another funny thing, bc the neighbor that owns the mustangs, is fixing the miss. I'll be sure to let him know he has a one off.... Make that two off bc my dads gt has dohc.
Badrs2810 3 months ago
Aerodynamics, mustangs lack it. I have never lost to a stock gt mustang. Modded, that's a different story. Although my friend blew his 427 stroker racing me.... When you're not afraid to take your Camaro to it's limits, you'll never lose ;)
Badrs2810 3 months ago
@aw11kona:
Your 88 isn't stock is it?? Nope! I believe they were speaking stock vs stock. Mod any of those camaros, you say you "spank", and they would destroy your mustang. 13 whatever seconds you posted, my 94 I just sold ran 13.01 @ 108, that's with lt headers, cai, 3-1/2" exhaust, and high output opti, with good tires.
@black87gt
Personally, I have a 91, have had an 83, 86, 90, 91, and 92 of the third gens, all stock besides headers and k&n, all beat 91-92 mustangs. Thing called aerody
Badrs2810 3 months ago
Mustang= 4.6(4.0bore), supercharged, dohc
Camaro= 5.7(4.0bore), n/a, single cam
Mustang is lighter and still loses.
The anniversary 02 ss was nothing special but a stripe kit and some decals.... The 02 camaro y'all are thinking of is the ZL1 camaro.... Until the bugatti veyron came out, that camaro held the record for the fastest produced car at 252 mph, and ran 10 seconds in the quarter, with different tires, they had it in the 9 second range, with a 427 small block aluminum engine.
Badrs2810 3 months ago
@Badrs2810 youre an idiot 4.6 modular V8 = 3.552" bore,
GM LT1 V8 = 4.000" bore,
LS1/LS6 = 3.890" bore,
LS2/LS3/LS9 = 4.000",
LS7 = 4.125"
only the 03/04 Cobra's came with the Eaton M112 blower (only supercharged SN95), all modular Cobra's have a 32V DOHC, GT's have a 16V SOHC motor
and ass for the Mustang losing, have you ever seen a stock 03/04 MACH 1 (NA) race an LS1 SS/WS6 F-body?... pretty embarrassing for the GM...
motohorse87 3 months ago
@motohorse87 I hope you mean 03/04 cobra, because the mach 1's were barely faster than the GT's. The only thing GM would have to be embarrassed about, is having to race such an uncompetetive car.
TiconderogaX 3 months ago
The funniest thing I have read is the 96 cobra vs the 97 lt1 camaros... The most powerful fourth gens were the 97, not all, but the ssz28 camaros had an lt4 not an lt1. Cobras are supercharged, not n/a. And as far as 351 vs 350 weight vs weight.... The only reason mustangs had a chance was bc of the dohc, take that away with the 351, they lose.... Badly, that's why they went with dohc.
Badrs2810 3 months ago
@Badrs2810 no, 96-01 Cobra were NA, 96-98 had "B" DOCH heads and used IMRC plates in the intake, 99 and 01 CObra's used "C" heads, they ALL are 4.6 (281 CID) except for the 2000 Cobra R which used a DOHC 5.4 (330 CID) and prototype versions of the Ford GT heads...
and FWIW, the 95 Cobra R, which is the ONLY SN95 to come stock with a 351W, made better numbers than the LT1 Camaro's back in the day, with GT40 iron heads and a garbage cam... most dyno at around 300rwhp, and thats a 9:1 motor...
motohorse87 3 months ago
im sorry, but that was a riced out 3.8 mustang, no cobra lol. your car may be faster, but a cobra would have put up a little more than that.
BunjeeJumper 3 months ago
another mustang getting walked what's new? chevy>ford will be the way it will always be... yawn (;
DimwittedDinobot 3 months ago
wetbacks shouldnt buy american cars... they cant drivr them worth jack shit
mrchaseharing 3 months ago
@ROBBY639 FUCK YOU RACIST!!!!!!!!!
you think that just by being mexicans we cant have a good car
like america has good economy right now ¬¬
omblig0 3 months ago
@omblig0 what are u talking about?....mexicans are the ones who ruined the economy!!!
ROBBY639 3 months ago 2
That paint job made the cobra lose 50 hp. :(
vfIskullangel 3 months ago
wait wtf the 91-92 slomaros owned something besides a sore ass?
lol
I dont think so!!!!
My '88 killed camaros from '73-95 easily!!
13.79 @ 101 205,000 miles
AW11KONA 3 months ago
@AW11KONA 9.91 @ 126 :)
MetalRulesRapSux 3 months ago
Why did they stop making camaros if they were so good. Piece of shit to me. Still are. It's all bout the stangs.
cato12 3 months ago
This really a cobra? Why the awful paintjob?
texastboneking 3 months ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA that junkstang got OWNED!!!!!!!
CBRHurricane6 3 months ago
Eat shit, that camaro sounded beautifull
SANDMANN517 4 months ago
@harutmakina driver plays a huge role. I knew a guy who went 12.87 with his z28 bone stock. I think it was a 2000. Some people can just drive their asses off.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@SpeedDemions420 uhh, yeah, it did go back and forth. 67-70 mustangs were dominating. Mid 70s the camaro was better. Mid 80s the mustang took over again. 94-98 the camaro was quicker in most trim levels. The cobras held their own, in 99 the mustang started to take back over, and it did when it killed off the camaro in 02. It's back now, but still getting beat by mustangs.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 heh....The SS Camaros blew away the cobras right up until their final production year (2002). The IROC-Z 5.7 TPI cars were all faster than the mid 80s Mustangs as well. The Mustang didn't "kill off" the Camaro. GM's brand-manager advertising structure did.
johntvette 4 months ago
@johntvette No, the mustang did a fair job killing it. Between being better assembled, easier to drive, more comfortable, not to mention you could actually SEE out of a mustang, cheaper insurance rates than the Camaro...And the fact that Ford sold as many Cobras in 2001 as GM sold ALL Camaros in 2002...
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 "easier to drive, more comfortable" those are subjective views, of which you are in the minority. Performance wise, it wasn't even close. At no time during the 4th gen run for the F-bodies were the Mustangs competitive.
Comfortable? I have to revisit that one....Surely you jest! The Mustangs were known for cheap interiors and awful seats.
johntvette 4 months ago
@johntvette You obviously haven't sat in a 4th gen Camaro then. Never seen even panel gaps, Lego makes better quality plastics, no visibility out of any of the windows, especially the rear window. And nobody who owns any generation F body can say ANYTHING about quality. And FYI, a 96 Cobra is faster than a 96 SS or Z28. Same with 97. 98-01 were about even. Except the mustangs handled slightly better, and braked far better.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 Do you just make this stuff up? The 96 SS was absolutely faster than a 96 Cobra and same for 97. The 4th Gen Camaro seats were light years ahead of the Mustang seats. I'm not saying the Camaro's seats were great, but they were compared to those flat, no side support having mustang seats. I've never had any visibility issues in the Camaro. Certainly not worse than the cramped Mustang view.
johntvette 4 months ago
@johntvette
Actually you got it backwards the Camaros were known for cheap interiors and awful seats. I don't know what camaros you've been in or any GM sports car hell the Vette to this day is cheesy inside and poked at for being cheap. The only decent interior GM product that I have ever been in was the Newer GTO's for the money they werent that bad. Performance wise my 01 cobra when it was stock it never had a problem with Ls1 z28's,SS,Trans ams,WS6 either won or lost by a nose???
The2001cobra 3 months ago
I agree with you to a extent about Fon. rd being bested by Chevrolet and vise-versa but Mustang didn't own Camaro between 96-02 by any stretch of the imagination. The Lt1 rap ed that puny 4.6 day in & day out & the Ls1 routinely outran them without breaking a sweat. When 2003 came around though the Mustang was a monster esp that damn bad-ass Cobra.
brokdik99 4 months ago
@brokdik99 Actually, the DOHC 4.6 mustangs could beat the 14 second LT1s just fine, the LS1s were much more trouble, but were also much more of a drivers race. Driven right, a 96-01 Cobra could go 13.30s, and driven right a 98 LS1 could go 13.0 with a couple freaks going 12.9 stock with phenomenal drivers. The GTs, yeah you're right. They were pretty anemic, though the 99-04s could at least run high 13s.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@brokdik99
When my 01 cobra was stock (stock everything) I routinely ran 13.1-13.30's at 101-107. Off of a dragstrip with highway pulls or even street light starts I honestly have to say I bested all Ls1 f-body variants probly a 2-1 win ratio ws6's and z28's where close the SS honestly where weak. On a road course which is what 99-01 cobras where really set up for wasn't even a comparison the handeling is so much smoother than the f-body anyone that drove/raced both will tell you that.
The2001cobra 3 months ago
@brokdik99
With drag radials and 4.30 gears with tune I was runnin 12.4-12.7 at 112-115. Those DOHC mod motors are monsters with big rear gears something LSx motors have a hard time streeting. Take that 6800 rpm cap of that DOHC set it to 7500 rpm limit with stock intake manifold that motor will run circles around an Ls1 with the same mods It just breaths better throughout the rpm band less peak tq but usable tq in rpm band is 10x better. The 4.6L and 5.7L are small blocks each are puny.
The2001cobra 3 months ago
@brokdik99
Ive got the good ol cobra runnin 10.25s at 137mph now alot more mods now but shes still NA on a 5.0l. Like I said before the High rpm with a great HCI set up this 96-01 NA DOHC Mod. will run with any LSx series motor just a little more expensive to do. Remember the 4v heads make up for the 70 ci loss no problem.
The2001cobra 3 months ago
@brokdik99
Motors are nothin but airpumps and its easier and more efficient to have a smaller ci motor draw in air from a 4v head than it is for a larger ci motor to force air in past only 2v's givin the same cylinder quantity.
The2001cobra 3 months ago
MY COBRA WILL SMOKE YOU 460HP
CAMRO440 4 months ago
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some people ..boy i tell ya lol can you imagine if the mustangs came with a 351 instead of a 281?? and let the z28 and the mustang weight the same and chevy keep there 350...it would be a bad situation for chevy..but!! i have had many mustangs...and i am now looking at buying me my 1st ls1 z28 ...i just want to see what all the fuss is about..because it looks to me like gto has the shit right now??
fordman0351 4 months ago
That was a nice run but should of been longer in my view.
MrBigg626 5 months ago
that is not a cobra...mexicans dont own cobra's...but they do buy gt's and put cobra body kits on them and then paint them lime green along with some cobra emblems
ROBBY639 5 months ago 15
@ROBBY639 Racism kind of shows us you're a big ass douche. Grow up.
ralatorre9 4 months ago
@ROBBY639 Oh oh!! Don't forget they heavily modify the exhaust to make it sound tough.
Keepinemclassic 4 months ago
@Keepinemclassic ohh..sorry, i forgot about that one...and 99.9% of the time the motor is STOCK haha..
ROBBY639 4 months ago
@ROBBY639 fk you racist fuck. LATINOS. dnt go around driving daddys car.
uninspire23 4 months ago
@ROBBY639 Yes the sure as hell can do that, but who's to say it's not a cobra? Because a built 350 can have well over 400whp, while a near stock 97 cobra would have less than or right around 300whp.
admiraljimmy 4 months ago
@admiraljimmy "a built 350 CAN have well over 400whp" Can is the key word here.. I have seen many "built" 350 chevy motors that wouldn't touch 300 horse at the wheels let alone 400.. It just depends what you describe "built" as..
Fireshaker9117 4 months ago
@Fireshaker9117 Apparently it's built well enough to leave an sn95 cobra, why does everyone act like that's such a hard accomplishment? If he was racing an 03-04 i'd call bullshit, but he's not it's a 97 n/a 32valve 4.6, not God, my 04 gt keeps up with my buddies 97 cobra in a roll with pretty much the same bolt ons. Out the hole is different, that's where his 315/35 r17 tires and 3.55 gears help. But yes being "built" can mean a lot of different things, top end, bottom end, etc..
admiraljimmy 4 months ago
@admiraljimmy I dont really think the issue most has here is that the camaro cant beat the cobra, I think its that the mustang isnt a real cobra. who would take a car that has less than a few years being a classic worth some bank and paint it lime green? dont mean to sound racist but i know alot of mexicans around my town that does just that. and they put fake badges on them as well. Im just sayin.
tobroke2007 4 months ago
@tobroke2007 Not racist at all lol, just pointing out what everyone knows.. and to be honest I didn't really even think about it but yeah lime green isn't exactly a factory color...
admiraljimmy 4 months ago
@ROBBY639 racist
818chamillitary 3 months ago
haha hell yeah chevy all the way
acdc2197 5 months ago
All u guys are dumb i own a z28 and a gt 5.0 who gives a shit if its ford or chevy the only think that matters is whats under the hood
Ruggishone 5 months ago
ford sucks
camarotoro 5 months ago
wow thats one slow mustang. if it wasnt for the tittle i would of think it was a v6.
CaMaRo1RoC89 5 months ago
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the 03 04 terminators are ment to keep up with the corvette how about a gt vs ls1? or a 97 cobra vs 97 ss
rajatheman209 5 months ago
the 03 04 terminators are ment to keep up with the corvette how about a gt vs ls1?
rajatheman209 5 months ago
ford stands for found on road dead or fix or repair daly
iamcoolpeanuts 5 months ago
@iamcoolpeanuts haha i cant come up with a cool ass slogan but i have gone though several chevys only good thing is there engines are bullet proof but everything else is shit i put about 7 grand into my old camaro but spend another 9k on just repairing the body but im a ford guy now and its not hard to figure out why
Madmustangman99 5 months ago
@Madmustangman99 im a mustang man myself,like the saying ford tuff with chevy stuff.
Darkangel4880 5 months ago
@iamcoolpeanuts Crappy Hot-Running Engines, Very Rusted Out, Lose Every Time back at ya
Pyrothos666 5 months ago
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@iamcoolpeanuts Crappy Hot-Running Engines, Very Rusted Out, Lose Every Time
back at ya
Pyrothos666 5 months ago
@iamcoolpeanuts Can't America Make A Real One?
Pyrothos666 5 months ago
@iamcoolpeanuts yea...find something new to say you poser...that has been around for years, how about CHEVY...Cheap, Hardly Efficient, Virtually Run On Luck Every Time....or How do you make a Chevy go faster down hill?....turn the engine off....see there are alot worse jokes for chevy than ford...sorry
ROBBY639 5 months ago
@ROBBY639 Fuck the Jokes chevy as repeatedly over the years RAPED Ford in performence untill maybe recently
SpeedDemons420 4 months ago
@SpeedDemons420 look dude dont try to start something..im a chevy and ford fan...both are awsome....but what you said is not true...mustang was over camaro 65-73...camaro was over ford 74-82...mustang was over camaro 83-93....camaro was over ford 94-95...mustang was over camaro 96-02...camaro went out due to not enough sales because of mustang...06 camaro was better...07-12..mustang has been better...all of this has been from multible reviews ever since the race started...stock vs stock
ROBBY639 4 months ago
@ROBBY639 No offense dude but i said in PERFORMENCE not sales the Mustang was not even close to the Camaros performence in 96-02 what kinda drugs are you on can i try? the 4.6 was never on the LS1's level even in the latest 4.6 models 05-09? I love Mustangs dont get me wrong i like ford and chevy im just stating facts Camaros where always faster untill recently
SpeedDemons420 4 months ago
@SpeedDemons420 well, if i am correct the ls1's were in the ss...not the z28..the z28 was in the gt class...you cant compare apples to oranges..but indeed the cobra was and they were very close, they were in the same tests together, they both had ups and downs and the cobra came out ahead...but i dont really care...all of them i would drive..but all in all this guy makes a bad name for ford guys or even muscle cars to lie and say he has a cobra...
ROBBY639 4 months ago
@ROBBY639 Actually LS1s where in the Z28s from 98-02 and made basically the same power as the SS's like a 10 bhp diff if there was one. Btw they never made Camaros on 06... and the Terminator didnt come out till the Camaros where done. Year for year Camaros where faster even the 94 Z28's with the LT1's had 285bhp 04 Mustang GT's had 260... so there ya go i like Mustangs just as much tho
SpeedDemons420 4 months ago
@SpeedDemons420 Have to correct you a little. LS1 were in Z28 but there really was no HP difference unless you got the SLP options. I know alot of guys who chose the Z28 because it was actually lighter. Also the LT1 had 275 hp unless you were lucky enough to get an SS which was on par with the LS1 with the HP numbers. From 93-02 Camaro owned Mustang. I owned an 89 GT a 94 Z28 and an 02 SS Camaro.
ftsk420 4 months ago
@ftsk420 Yeah i know the SS and Z28 from 98-02 where rated diff tho but where the same and any LS1 Camaro is faster than any Mustang GT from 97-02 both LT1 and LS1 gens Chevy>Ford the Terminator didnt come out till Camaros where gone
SpeedDemons420 4 months ago
@SpeedDemons420 I will say Mustang are easier to mod then 4thgen Camaro. Anybody could mod a mustang in their garage but the 4th gen Camaro was a lil harder. Worst part of the LT1 opti spark. But pound for pound their is no better motor then the LS1.
ftsk420 4 months ago
@ftsk420 The Ford 4.6 isn't feeble, it just likes boost. When you're talking N/A, there's no replacement for displacement.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 There is, but it takes a lot of engineering. Take a look at Ferrari engines. All N/A (F40 not included). Air charge is sometimes better than volume.
johntvette 4 months ago
@johntvette No, there isn't. Because you can apply the same principles to a larger engine and make more power. That's why if you have a 200hp 2.5L, you do the same thing to a 5.0L engine and end up with about 400hp.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@SpeedDemons420 till Camaros were scared away more like it. pussies.
trevinboy 4 months ago
@SpeedDemons420 Actually, the last of the Camaros in 02 were still available plenty when the 03 cobra came out. The 03 was actually an 02, but because it came in late in the model year, Ford just changed the VIN and made them all 2003s.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@ftsk420 I wouldn't say owned. The 96-01 cobras held their ground fine against the Z28 and SS. The GT's? We just won't talk about those...
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@ROBBY639 LS1 was in both the Z28 and SS. SS was an option started as a Z28 then you get the hood spoiler ect.
ftsk420 4 months ago
@ROBBY639 Sorry dude but your numbers are fail. There was no 06 Camaro first of all. Second Mustang couldn't touch Camaro from 93 till 02 those are facts trust me.
ftsk420 4 months ago
@ROBBY639 All you said was right accept 96-02 Camaro was over mustang; the 98 Z28 was 305HP looked a lot better and the 98 GT was 260HP and ugly as shit and the camaro raped it in every magazine; I remember because this feud back in High School in 1998; Chevy topped it; then they came out with the cobra-R which became and ejaculation motive for all the gear heads yet no one could buy one; then in 03; no more camaro because mustang sold more; then the Cobra came out with 390HP engine;
Harutmakina 4 months ago
@ROBBY639 But ultimately as a car dude; the Best as far as NEW is concerned is 2002 Camaro SS 35th anv. T-top with a LS-7 engine and tranny from the Corvette ZO6; would rape any new mustang or camaro thats new; and as far as OLD in the 60's its all about the Mustang fastback 67 or 68 with a 429; as far as vintage 70's the best car then was the 74 Trans Am 455 SD; and the Best Corvette ever made was the 67 sting ray; no a fan of new vettes; best Viper; GT-S coupe Venome-R
Harutmakina 4 months ago
@Harutmakina yea man..those 02 camaros are bad ass...extremly fast, but i dont think it would beat the NEW 2012 5.0...but hey...who keeps the stock anyways haha....totally agree on everything else, yea 74 TA was sooo much faster than those pos mustang2's...i wanted a 99-02 trans am, but couldnt find one in good condition, they have bad history repair records too...so i got some foxbody mustangs
ROBBY639 4 months ago
@ROBBY639 Na a new mustang or camaro would smash on a 02 Camaro; For its time it was the shit; However, the 02 Camaro is still my favorite design and much lighter than the ugly ones they make today; So popping a corvette ZO6 drive train in there and you're in business HAHA
Harutmakina 4 months ago
@ROBBY639 Na a new mustang or camaro would smash on a 02 Camaro; For its time it was the shit; However, the 02 Camaro is still my favorite design (camarowise) and much lighter than the ugly ones they make today; So popping a corvette ZO6 drive train in there and you're in business HAHA; Yea dude the 74 T/A was pretty much the only thing that was nice that year; It was then, that the market and quality crashed Pontiac kept fighting to stay alive! Really expensive now though; Dear Santa.....
Harutmakina 4 months ago
@Harutmakina Actually, the new Camaro is equal to the 01-02s in performance. They both run low 13s with a few hitting high 12s stock.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 thanks for the info; but I had a 1998 Z28 same specs as 01 and 02 and I do recall it pulled a 14; the SS pulled 13..9 these are stock specs; however, the handling was actually much better on those than on the new ones; I'm planning on buying a 2002 SS and dropping a ZO6 engine and tranny with full weight strip;
Harutmakina 4 months ago
@ROBBY639 06 camaro? i think you have lost your typing privelages lol. camaros were made from 67 to 02, and 2010 to present. not 2006
muscletruckdude 4 months ago
@ROBBY639 Considering the Camaro was out of production from 2003-2008, how was the 2006 Camaro better than the 2006 Mustang? could you explain that?
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 yea...here it is.....typing error...i was thinking of an 06 mustang while typing about the camaro...you feel better?
ROBBY639 4 months ago
@ROBBY639 I sure hope you are talking sales figures only, because if you mean performance wise then you are 100% wrong
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johntvette 4 months ago
@johntvette i am talking about the car itself...and performance...the lt1's were shit, sorry...and the 08-2011 camaros are not as good as you might think they are, name ONE thing that they beat the mustang in of any year from 08-2011...the 2011 mustang, they do not even run against the camaro anymore because it has too high of performance stats...that is just the way it is....sorry
ROBBY639 4 months ago
@ROBBY639 WHAT!? That paragraph you just puked all over youtube is bullshit. I see so many flaws in years its not even funny! 2006 Camaro? What? They didnt make an 06 Camaro! 93 Mustang better than the 93 Z28? Not as far as speed is concerned. The Lt1 has more balls stock vs stock than the good old 5 liter FoMoCo powerplant. My God son!! Not only that, but the 07-10 Stang is ok.. The 2011 GT is awesome!
TunedPortZ28 4 months ago
@ROBBY639
When did the Mustang ever beat the Camaro in the late 4th gens? Not to mention 91-92 was owned by the Camaro. I can vouch for this personally.
Slipknotdraken 4 months ago
@Slipknotdraken Youre a fucking moron, the 87-93 5.0s walked all over the turd gen camaros.. "i can vouch this personally"
black87gt 3 months ago
@black87gt
Stock for stock, 5.0's had nothing on the Third gens.
Slipknotdraken 3 months ago
@SpeedDemons420 It went back and forth. Some years the mustangs were faster, some years the camaro.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 No it didnt Stangs rarely had the upperhand and when they did it wasnt by much when the Camaros had the upperhand they murdered the Stangs
SpeedDemons420 4 months ago
@ROBBY639 HAHA I like Ford and chevy and Dodge (real car dudes don't segregate its the model not the car company) but if you wanna piss em off just say chevrogay
Harutmakina 4 months ago
@iamcoolpeanuts Or FUCKED ON RACE DAY but i still love fords :)
SpeedDemons420 4 months ago
U guys are so mean picking on the ford boys leave them alone u no they can't keep up
f133n0r86 6 months ago
that is why u shuld get a camaro eney stock camaro could eny stock mustang eny day
iamcoolpeanuts 6 months ago
@iamcoolpeanuts The amount of pure ignorance in this comment is simply remarkable.
For starters, it's "any" not "eney".
And you shouldn't say any stock Camaro Vs any stock Mustang, because a stock p.o.s 87 camaro couldn't come close to, say, a Terminator (by the way, that's a 2003/2004 Mustang Cobra), hell for that matter, hardly any Camaros could hang with a Terminator.
NadeHere 6 months ago
@iamcoolpeanuts that is not true dude
ACLongboard 6 months ago
@iamcoolpeanuts Maybe you should learn to spell "any" before you get on here talking up something you know nothing about.
marshallstrat1 5 months ago
This in VA?
DodgeTheRam92 6 months ago
BYE BYE WETBACK!
SL8R71 6 months ago
fuck that guy in the stang deserved to lose with that shit lookin green color
sparkalanio 6 months ago
mustang super snake putos
3tcrew 7 months ago
Is that john deere green?!?
1quickcobra 7 months ago
@IROCwarriorAMC88 That's what all the slow pussies say when they don't want to get embarassed. You ain't gonna run anyone with your slow shit and you know it. You go on home to mommy and let the real wrench turners worry about speed. She may have a dress all hemmed up for you already. LT1's have been mopping the floor with IROCs since 1992 and it will always be the case, loser. I'm done with your ignorant lying bullshitting ass because you don't want any of my LT1'ssss.
LT1HILLINGHOE 7 months ago
@IROCwarriorAMC88 Show me you're not a BOY when you bring that four figure amount to pay me when I lay the smack down on your stock IROC with my STOCK DOWN TO THE PAPER FILTER 93 TA....BOY. You ain't shit...your car ain't shit and you can only talk about running fast. I'm in Raleigh NC....let me know when you want to lose. I can arrange it with ease. If not then shut the hell up, boy. Your lies and bullshit bore me.
LT1HILLINGHOE 7 months ago
@IROCwarriorAMC88 Dude, you're a joke. I have owned both the 88 and 89 IROC with the 350 and it ain't no big deal. I know LS1's too since I own three of them. I got LT1's in the high tens with just cam and heads package. I run in the Lloyd Elliott and Jeff Creech circles, boy. You talk about raping, put up four figures to lose and we'll go at it with the stock 93 TA I own and I'll give you two lenghts in the quarter with your IROC and still take your money. This ain't no rookie here,boy.
LT1HILLINGHOE 7 months ago
@IROCwarriorAMC88 The IROC was just a marginally quick car and any....any....any LT1 will eat one alive. Been there and done that on both accounts. I have one LT1 that is BONE stock with 66,000 miles and it turns a 13.55 on street tires. That particular one is a 93 TA with speed density, 700r4, 2.73s. No stock IROC is anywhere close to that, none. Stock IROC was a 15 second car and full bolt ons couldn't get it out of the 14's. Facts are facts.
LT1HILLINGHOE 7 months ago
@IROCwarriorAMC88 Agreed. I still like the body style of your IROC-Z over the style that came right after it, with the LT1's and LS1's by a long shot. I had bolt-ons, cam, intake and exhaust on the 1986 GT 5.0, with 5-speed borg warner stick and hurst shifter. I swapped the stock 3.08 rear end for a 3.55, and was running low 13's on street tires. One thing is for sure, a 350 will make more power than a 302 with the same mods, because it's a bigger engine to start with and the GM V8 is great.
marcomariaz26 7 months ago
@IROCwarriorAMC88 All I know is whatever year they were, they lost. GTA's were the slowest of the lot. The IROC's were a tad quicker. I did get beat by one IROC, and the guy said it was a 1988 with a chip, and he didn't pull until 3rd gear anyway, plus I had 2 passengers, he only had his 100lb GF in front... -Peace.
marcomariaz26 7 months ago
@IROCwarriorAMC88 A 350 from 87-88 was SLOW. The 89's were quicker stock for stock than my 5.0. But by then, I'd modded it, so I was still KING. Poor Chevy... Took until the LT1 in the 90's to catch up... lol...
marcomariaz26 7 months ago
that mustang sounded like shit. Camaro ftw.
JakeM624 7 months ago
hahaha cobra stock on a 94-98 model comes with bout 320hp stock. 03-04 cobra rated at 390hp stock eaton s/c. clearly this aint no cobra it must be a gt in cobra bodykit but cnt be a cobra hahaha nice try. and we all know chevy rules!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
turbo98gt 8 months ago
@turbo98gt it was a V6 mustang. no dual exhaust, if it had cutouts it be loud as hell. and a real cobra driver ALWAY, I MEAN ALWAYS drives with fog lights ON, to indicate hey fuckers.. this aint no GT look at my round fog lights.
santiagomel00 7 months ago
@santiagomel00 lol i know damn well it couldnt be a cobra. 94-98 cobra are fast but not that fast. which brings me to this question i have a 98gt i broken 3 belts within 1 and half wks what u think could be causing this???
turbo98gt 7 months ago
@turbo98gt your serp belts? do you have under drive pulleys on? check the alignment of your pulleys. sometimes over the time the front main bolt that goes on the harmonic balancer might back off and cause it to sowly move forward. or check your pulleys for any damage that might cause a rigid edge. check your idler pulleys make sure they are free spining with no hesitation. bearings do wear out. also check the air conditioning compressor. the pulley might not be spinning when you turn it on.
santiagomel00 7 months ago
@turbo98gt I know the 99 and up had about 320hp but below that was 302hp and then 240hp.
ftsk420 4 months ago
Whats the number of hp on that 350! people just put 350 but theirs 3 or 4 different 350 engines! Plus i i think think that may be a fake cobra! 4.6 SOHC-215hp,.. 4.6 DOHC- 305hp(Cobra) cobras have more balls then that!
Beast5oh 8 months ago
knew this would be the outcome from the beginning
hockeyprep22 8 months ago
goodbye cobra
kw9897 8 months ago
that stang just got killed
3rd4thgenFbody 8 months ago
Fake cobra me thinks...
boostfreak777 8 months ago
Thank God you yanked that POS 305 from that super slow stock 1986 IROC. God those cars are soooo slow with that stock 305... I used to own a 1986 Mustang GT and would SPOT IROC's a full length off the line and pass them on the 1-2 shift and be completely gone by the 2-3 shift. Even the 350's, up to 1988 were getting dusted. By 1989, things evened up and your built 350 is for sure a force...
marcomariaz26 9 months ago
@649alex do you like being obnoxious+wrong? Anyway, built 350 huh? Put a built 347 in the fox and admire it's tail lights. 350vs281- chicken shit. But the stang driver asked for it. Nice smack down dude
cheftreez 10 months ago
i love camaros im only 16 and my first car was a 75 camaro and im want an iroc now :D
Titoperezzz 11 months ago
@Titoperezzz You lucky bastard, I want a 70s camaro, I have an 86 Camaro Z28, I'm 16 too.
badnamajamas547 10 months ago
@badnamajamas547 hahahaha right bro its suited up to! lol camaros are the way to go!!!!
Titoperezzz 10 months ago
It doesn't matter what year. compare any camaro to any mustang in its class and the Camaro does everything better
649alex 11 months ago
@649alex ROTFLOL!!!! I owned a 1986 GT 5.0 and DUSTED ALL F-BODY'S UP TO 1989. CryMaros used to turn rather than face me heads up at a light... Of course, they DID look sexier, I'll give you that much... But for acceleration, back in the 80's, nothing except a 'vette or GN could touch a 5.0. It's the truth and I was there, so I'd know... P.S. I've driven a GM for the past 16 years, so don't accuse me of bias... -peace.
marcomariaz26 9 months ago
@649alex you sure bro? or are you that ignorant?
Texarmageddon 9 months ago
dude nevermind those jealous ford guys, I have a friend who as a 04 termi cobra and I can't stay next to him from 100-200km, I can on 0-100 runs but that supercharger pushes like mad on rolling runs. So the fact that you eat cobras like that is proof that your IROC rocks!! :D
therain2010 11 months ago
And find out camaros are and will always be # 1
multijerryboy 11 months ago