@SpencerBenedict2nd uh yeah... Thanks... We're on the same page... Ha i forgot about this crappy vid! Did this guy tell you to look at the revised vid? Oooo! freaky!
Your christian faith has no depth. Just look at the elementary vocabulary used in the bible. If this was the literal word of god, and he disseminated his word to the copiers ('authors'), throughout their life time they could have wrote down many library full of books. The issue is, the realm of knowledge just was very broad at that time, so the stupid bible is so short compared to say......a elementary school's library, so in reality the bible is less informative than data at the kidish level.
You are hopelessly confused, the water at the climax of the flood reached 30 feet above the highest mountain. And there were not two of every species of animal, but two of every family/familidae of animal (totaling less than a few thousand individuals). The Bible doesn't say Noah gathered the animals. Genetic diversity was exponentially greater and mutation was exponentially less, allowing incest to be viable. Furthermore, The remains of the Ark can be seen from space at Lat: 39.441 Lon: 44.235
So you stand by the literal interpretation of Noah's Flood, knowing full-well that ancient Hebrew cosmology considered the Earth to be a flat disk covered by a giant crystal dome; Knowing full-well that penguins can't walk to Antarctica; Knowing full-well nothing in geology, genetics, or logistics could lend any credence to this story...
Your head is now officially square up your ass. I have nothing but contempt for you.
@AntiCitizenX Yes, in 2349 BC the water inside the Earth was brought to the surface through the cracks in the plate tectonics, breaking up pangaea. Ancient Hebrew cosmologists misinterpreted Isaiah 40:22. As changes in atmosphere from the flood & plate movements caused the Ice Age, South America was connected to Antarctica via ice (perfect for penguins). And I also know full-well that everything in geology, genetics & logistics confirms every Biblical account, particularly, intelligent design.
@ConfederatePatriot Amen brother. Although i would steer clear of the pangea theory as i believe that to be another Jesuit created hoax like evolution theory. I would lean more toward the "fountains of the deep bursting forth" as the catalyst and cause for our present day fault lines that stretch across the earth like San Andreas. It's interesting how many fault lines parallel mountain ranges.
@SpencerBenedict2nd I'm a devout Methodist Christian, but also love science & geography. You can't ignore the fact, that South America's eastern border fits exactly to Africa's western border, as well as the other continents with one another. The Pangaea theory does not contradict (but is confirmed by) the Bible.
Gen 1:9 -water...gathered together into ONE place & let THE dry land appear
Gen 7:11(KJV)-"great deep BROKEN UP" (Plate Creation)
Evolutionists can't explain what created the plates.
@ConfederatePatriot It also could be the S.America & Africa conXtion apearance is an unfortunate coincidence. Continents r not plates floating round in a tub of water. U take all the water away and u'll c they r all very much connected as 1 big solid body of land w/"fountains of the deep fissures (fault lines) keeping everything pretty much in place Xcept when the 'rubbing' gets intense then quakes. I would care to broaden on the scripture passages you cite for deeper insight. (retort invited)
@SpencerBenedict2nd Based on the fossil distribution of species (buried @ the beginning of the flood), mountain range connections, and the locations of natural resources, I cannot accept that the continental borders fitting together like a puzzle as mere coincidence. And opposed to evolution & old earth theories, there is no reason why the Bible would not comply with the fact that Earth was created with 1 continent and 1 ocean. If the flood had not occured, it would still be the same way today.
@ConfederatePatriot REPLY 2-" I cannot accept that the continental borders fitting together like a puzzle as mere coincidence."-ConfederatePatriot
Can you accept the fact that if you remove all the water that lies between South America and Africa that it will reveal S. America, the earth under the water and Africa as one vast area of land? And if you accept this and still think the 2 continents once fit together like a puzzle that you can't think past your nose.
@SpencerBenedict2nd Yes, It would be absurd not to accept that the floor of the ocean is land. But, that land was inside the earth in 2349 BC, until the Flood and breaking up of the great deep radically changed the face of the planet forever. If you ever get a chance to go to Northern Kentucky, the "Creation Museum" is a great place to learn about the extreme geological and meteorological effects of the Flood.
@ConfederatePatriot Funny you should mention the museum because i have been talking about going with some folks for about a month or so. I have been looking forward to it. It is my belief that the Pangea theory is simply another Jesuit directed hoax of deception to mislead people just as Evolution theory and heliocentricity theory. For them to fit they shrink Africa by a 1/3 and eliminate a few places like Cuba. The continents are not floating.
@ConfederatePatriot "You are hopelessly confused, the water at the climax of the flood reached 30 feet above the highest mountain"-ConfederatePatriot
"And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered."-Ge 7:19-20 The mountains were covered-twenty-two and a half feet above the summits of the highest hills.
If you're going to debunk Noah's flood, great. It's crazy to believe that! But at least debunk what people believe and the Bible actually says instead of creating Straw Men. Are you smart enough to do that? The Bible says the the flood waters covered the mountain tops BY 15 cubits, NOT that the flood was only 15 cubits deep. Too lazy too read a book, I see. Also, according to YECs all the animals lived in close proximity to Noah, in a tropical climate, NOT that Kangaroos only lived in Australia.
@Quintapus Granted, that's what the bible says. Now, that aside, what can you say to the all the of the points made in this video and others? ... Nothing? I thought so. The fact that this was the only thing you harped on indicates the rest holds.
@charkopolis Huh? What can I say to all the points in this video? Why should I? What can YOU say to all the points in this video? What's your point? I could do a far more thorough debunking of Noah's Flood than this pathetic video tried to do. But my debunking would be of what the Bible says, not of something I pulled out of my ass. I could debunk Little Red Riding Hood, but I wouldn't debunk the part where she slays a Dragon, because it isn't in the story. That would make me look stupid.
there is one thing that people always try to tell others and that people would want others to believe what they want to believe. I mean come on people should think freely or believe in any religion they believe in. You shouldn't even be forced to do something your don't want to do. (I'm not talkin bout bein lazy and sit on yer ass on all day) Sure people can tell what they think about this and that, but if others don't want to follow, its their choice. heh go ahead. say im insane i don't care
Religious people hate when you try to use reason to work your way through the logistics of a Biblical flood. Some will try to rationalize it to actually make it sound as logical as possible. But others will not even attempt this and instead claim that anything is possible with God, so the Flood actually happened by magic. And this begs the question of why Noah is needed as a middleman if everything could be done by magic in the first place. Why not just poof everyone dead?
THE FLOOD WAS REGIONAL. Maybe that will help you folks out a little bit with your rants. Noah was only the 10th generation of mankind, hardly enough time to populate the whole world. Mose wrote THE WORLD THAT THEN WAS was flooded. Joshua wrote ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FLOOD four times in Chapter 24. Maybe you all should be your Bibles out and take another look if you want to speak as experts, then become experts.
@MegaSage007 10th generation of mankind? Only if you completely dismiss every hominid fossil found over the last 100 years. And then dismiss entire fields of anthropology, geology, and biology. All of which are independently verified and converge to the same conclusion: that if Noah existed as said in the bible. Then he would not be a 10th generation human. Since when has the bible been a literal and factual account of history? Wasn't that the point of this video?
Excellent video. So amusing to see the nervous angry reaction of the creationists who are mind numbingly believing the bible as truth in spite of the impossibilities of it. As predictable they revert to the "kinds" argument which has no basis nor even evidence to back up.
@philster611 ..."believing the bible as truth in spite of the impossibilities of it. As predictable they revert to the "kinds" argument which has no basis nor even evidence to back up."
What would you like to start with? One at a time please.
@AntiCitizenX You really think the bible said noah roamed all over the earth to gather animals? You think that the ark had to hold the same amount of species there are 2day 60 percent being insect dispite how big the ark was? You used the kj version? i could go on... Look up what the most ac-u-rat bible is, read care-fully and try again cuz this is fun-nay.
@DownHavenFilms I'LL TAKE ON YOUR POINTS ONE AT A TIME. "You really think the bible said noah roamed all over the earth to gather animals?"-DownHavenFilms
"Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive." Ge 6:20
that is they shall come of themselves, as Jarchi and Aben Ezra observe, the providence of God so directing and impelling them, just as the creatures came to Adam
of course the jew is known for his lies and his ability to tell woppers to dictate a false history, and false sympathy and then there is another whopper that theyforce on everyone that they were chosen by God and then He gave them a country, What a freakin laugh, the only god they were chosen by would have been Satan, and even then it is a far cry from reality, Jews didnt exodus from Egypt , they were thrown out for debauchery and evil demonic theft, and incest.
well i stopped listening at 2:30, might wanna get your story straight for your remake. He didn't need to of every creature, he need to of every kind. So for example he needed 2 bears, not a black bear, grizzly bear, polar bear etc etc. Just 2 bears.
@AntiCitizenX Not directly no, but those are breeds/species of bears right? That came from a common ancestor? From that common ancestor you got both bears, hence noah needed just 2 bears.
Twisted, if you want to get technical, then EVERYTHING shares a common ancestor. All bears are from the family urside. But all ursids, canids, and felids are carnivoras. Then all carnivoras and rodents are mammals, and all mammals and reptiles are vertebrates. Why not save yourself the trouble and just say that Noah only brought two vertebrates on the Ark? Do you think some form of hyper-evolution gave rise to our current biodiversity in only 5000 years?
@AntiCitizenX I wouldn't say that because the bible doesn't say that. It says he brought two of every kind of animal, and then goes through the trouble of listing the major categories at the time.
Okay, fine. Explain to me in precise terms what the exact phylogenetic distinction for "kind" is. Then justify to me why the original Hebrew word "miyn" means exactly this. When you're done, go out and produce for me a series of transitional fossils and that demonstrate the development from your "kinds" into today's biodiversity. And while you're at it, corroborate the whole thing genetically. Do this, and you have a case.
@AntiCitizenX Well I think you should accept that this is a possibility without an exhaustive proof like that since even if you are an evolutionist you would say this is possible. Anyway the hebrew word is leminehu, meaning "after its kind."
Twisted, please understand that I am not trying to be difficult. I am trying to show you that you can't just sit back in your armchair and make empty excuses. When you go around making claims about how you think the world works or what happened in the past, you have to justify that with more than ad hoc hypotheses. Simpy saying "the Bible sez so" just doesn't cut it. Unless you want people to think you are a fraud, you have to do better.
@AntiCitizenX Well I wasn't, I was pointing out that this videos assumptions about what the bible says is not founded. And I don't believe that the "the bible says" is all that is going on here. There are plenty of ancient tribes that still maintain their verbal creation myths and many also talk about a world wide flood. Lastly I don't have to justify my opinions, I can use whatever standard of truth I deem necessary. People can think I'm a fraud, its of no importance to me what people think.
" Lastly I don't have to justify my opinions, I can use whatever standard of truth I deem necessary."
We're not talking about opinions, Twisted. We're talking about you making categorical statements of fact with regards to reality. Anyone who says they do not have to justify their beliefs is making excuses for the fact that they believe in nonsense. If that doesn't sit well with you, then your'e just a fraud and I'm not interested in listening to anything you have to say.
@AntiCitizenX if you believe that you haven't truly dealt with nihilism or descartes demon. The fact is opinion is all we can talk about. So yes given this reality it is a fact that each being chooses its standard of truth.
Descartes Demon does not in any way give you justification for going around claiming that the scribblings of a bronze-age story book have anything to do with reality. All it does is demonstrate the absurd lengths you are willing to go for the sake of defending an obviously made-up fairytale. You seriously need to free your mind from this superstitious garbage and join us in the wonderful world of reality. At the very least, you won't have to lie to yourself so much.
@AntiCitizenX It does give me that justification. Knowing something amounts to nothing more than it crossing your subjective threshold of of "yea thats enough evidence." And if you recall the discussion is about the number of animals the bible says went onto noahs ark. Given my investigation it says two of every kind, not two of every breed/race/subspecie.
Twisted, I am trying to have a serious discussion with you, but you are admitting from the get-go that truth does not matter to you. You patently refuse to follow the basic rules of justifiable knowledge. And for what? The scribblings of a bunch of bronze-age goat herders? What could possibly motivate you into this? If you're going to sell your reason, at least have something to show for it.
Why do some christians insist the flood actaully happened?
Look at the geneology of jesus in Luke 1, WHO is the 11th person in the list?
NOAH!
jesus referred to noah, the time of noah, and the flood of noah as a historic event. If the flood never happened, if the story of Noah was a myth, how can jesus be the decendant of a myth? How could jesus be god and not KNOW the flood never happened.
the flood never happened, and therefore JESUS WAS NO GOD!
I think it was a oral history from the middle east from survivors of folks who suffered the flooding of low lying land from glacial melting at the end of the ice age.
God is the energy within and without all life. Its a very intelligent energy... My Life is like a book and my Soul is a bookcase. When your skin cells die new ones replace them everyday, without the death of those cells we wouldnt age, there would be no time. Without death there is no time. Everything has to die so it can be re-born, so we can continue to move thru time... God is life and death. Its the circle energy of life that flows thru time. God didnt just create the Universe, he became it
wow this guys trashes whats actually written taking one thing then creating / lying about a counterpart thing, its say every kind not every species, it says 7 of each not 2, it says there wasnt any mts till 100's of years later or divided lands etc, most predators can eats plants, the oldest known jewish version is in hebrew 100's yrs BC not aramaic, animals would hibernate, many plants / amphibians can live in flood waters / mud & many insects lay their eggs in water like mosquitoes, etc,
Genesis 7:2 says there were 7 of every clean animal and 2 of every unclean and 7:15 says they went on 2 x 2. Are you saying you still believe this story literally?
@meangreen4321 , the point is if your going to critisize a story get the context fully accurate, species is a non ancient latin word not a ancient hebrew pictographic word -there is no way it can being translated to mean the same thing, and the word itself has no known distinct definition, gen 10:25 - land divided- which can only happen by rising water or land moving up or down, so it had to be the land moving cause there isnt 30k ft of water, the land buckled as it does everywhere and crumbled
Respond to this video...ps 104.7-9, gen7;11, 8;2, it says under ocean fountains that broke open & came up not ice melting, noone knows how much water are in the ocean springs, u dont know what "breath of life" means to ancient hebrews, kids knows that if you tried to put one of every species on a boat it would need to be miles long boat, u only need kids of each genus, storms with darkness & disasters & winter etc cause all animals to hide & hibernate naturally, birds flock to boats
Actually, it says "The fountains of the great deep," which have NOTHING to do with springs under the Earth's oceans. It is a reference to the primordial waters that lie above the firmament. It is right there in Genesis chapter 1, Cheese.
@iseecheese "it says 7 of each not 2, " No, it says BOTH. Read the damn text, dude. " it says there wasnt any mts till 100's of years later or divided lands etc." The Bible does not say this. And even if it did, it would not make it true. "animals would hibernate" Says who? You? "every kind not every species" Actually, it says "miyn," which literally implies "species" in the translation. Give me one good reason why I should not insult you right now for being an idiot.
there is no point in arguing with the believers of all that religious crap, its like trying to talk some sense into a monkey. if they want to waste their lives believing in all that crap, they are free to do so
You're right. Why bother spreading counter-points against a highly organized political agenda that seeks to overturn science education? Let's just sit back and do nothing while they push superstitious beliefs into public education and indoctrinate their impressionable children with bronze-age fairy tales about genocidal gods they need to appease or else.
The video is great but the last part give too much credit to the bible. Most fairy tales have no particular real story behind them. People just made them up for entaritaining value. There was not TV and video games at that time, remember
The teacher will make or allowed intentional "mistakes" for the student to correct them, to learn and think in different ways. But the fool will see the "mistakes" and belittle the teacher and not learn anything from them. The Bible is an interpretation. It is as if I painted the Mona Lisa by Leonardo DaVinci and people critized Leonardo DaVinci instead of me. Remember that in the same way you judge God Almighty you will be judged. And with the measure you use, it will be measured unto you.
wooki, we're not talking about little "mistakes." We are talking about people who honestly believe in the factual validity of something completely unsubstantiated and entirely contrary to physical observation. There are no words to describe such behavior except for "stupid morons." Stop degrading yourself in the defense of what is obviously made-up fiction.
@AntiCitizenX "Stop degrading yourself in the defense of what is obviously made-up fiction."-AntiCitizenX
OF COURSE YOU DO REALIZE THAT IF YOU WERE COMPLETELY TO THE CORE CONVINCED OF YOUR STAND ON THIS ISSUE, THEN YOU WOULDN'T EVEN BE WATCHING THESE VIDEOS.
TRUTH BE TOLD YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING FOR CERTAIN. KEEP SEARCHING BROTHER.
@wooki53 Any deity that would create such evidence directly in contradiction too what is purported to have happened is by it's very nature deceitful and therefore nothing it states could be trusted. It's more likely that a local event entered folklore and got inflated over time. Local floods? Sure. Happen all the time. Global? No effing way.
@xXILuvJBieberXx You ignored everything that was said in this video. If 98% of the people believe something that is impossible, then 98% of the people are wrong.
you dont understand everything in the bible is the truth, it just needs your faith. mabye its not possbile for jesus to save you, but you just reach your hand out for him.
@xXILuvJBieberXx Believing something doesn't make it true. Evidence is required for belief to be justified. Faith for the sake of faith is nonsensical and wrong.
Well everytime my mom prays for something she gets it. car keys, remote control etc
also i experinced the light myself, when i'm going through rough times i pray! and it becomes better GOD helps me trough everything, he would help you too if you accepted JESUS as you're saviour
Okay. Cute. "Straw man fallacy". End to end. Your whole presentation. "Straw man fallacy". Look it up. Your 'knowledge' (and I use the term lightly) of plate techtonics, geophysics, oceanic hydraulics, wooden construction, animal husbandry, flood dynamics including stratigraphic deposition over vast areas, historical precedents of geocataclysmic events, etc, etc, etc... all are laughable.
@AntiCitizenX You're starting a different (if related) topic. The original debate here is whether or not there could have been a global cataclysmic flood in historical times.
But... to answer your question. Any small population will experience genetic decreptitude over generations IF the original host population (or pair) are genetically impaired. The Bible aserts that Noah was "perfect in his generations". God doesn't endorse incest when it leads to retardation (Leviticus' laws). So now? No.
And am I correct in assuming that you genuinely think the whole concept of a universal flood as described in the bible is literally and historically accurate?
"The original debate here is whether or not there could have been a global cataclysmic flood in historical times."
The answer to this is an unambiguous NO, and I'm really not interested in arguing this. The really interesting question here is how a seemingly rational person like yourself could still believe that such an obvious childhood fairytale is an historically literal event.
@AntiCitizenX dude in the bible it says the whole world flooeded yes? but it was a metaphor you see in noahs town people thought the whole town was the whole world they thought.god said whole world because they would not understand him by if he said the town only. there simple minded the bible is not normal stories of litteralism its mostly metaphors.the world was not flooded only noahs town.
@PHDcsfan You don't know what a metaphor is. It's not an exaggeration. If the bible says the whole world was flooded and the whole world was not flooded, then the bible was wrong. If it doesn't clarify itself, then it must have meant what it said.
@PHDcsfan So what you're saying is that nobody should believe what is written in the bible because it was written by ignorant men who didn't understand the world. I couldn't agree more.
@PluralOfEverything what im saying is is that you should not always take the bible litteraly the bible is 80 percent metaphor.dude ive been into many arguements.please gimme a break.
@PHDcsfan This isn't an argument. I agree. What's in the bible shouldn't be believed as if it all actually happened. The stuff about jesus is included in that. A guy dying on a cross to pay for the sins of mankind is just a metaphor for something.
@PHDcsfan I don't think that's what it meant in the story. It took place after the tower of babel story, so people had settled all over the world. Yahweh decided he wanted to kill every living thing on the planet, as in earth. It doesn't work any other way. It's clear when you look at the context that that's what it means. Another thing you can see from context is that it's not meant to be an analogy or a parable. If it was, it would say so in the text.
@PluralOfEverything dude common sense if those animals were only pairs of each animal type what will their children breed with? never said anything in the bible god created more animals.
@PHDcsfan I agree. That's one of many reasons the story makes no sense. My argument, however, is that the story is not meant to be an analogy or a metaphor. It was included in the bible as a historical account of something that many believe actually happened. It's stupid, but that's what it is.
@PHDcsfan Genesis 6:7 says this: And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
If you're going by a version where it suggests that it was only people in a small area that he didn't like, I'd love to read it for myself, but the KJV clearly states that it was the entire earth.
have you not heard of a documentary where noah's ark was found? and it is exactly as the bible described it 450 feet long.
anyways enough of that. this is last comment.
the earth was the earth to them to noah he thought its a small world. must i have to go to this again and again if god had said from the face of the land would be litteral its impossible for the world to be flooded because there is not enough water to flood the whole earth. and theres just too much animals species.
@PHDcsfan I've heard a lot of people claim that Noah's ark was found, but since the story can't possibly be true, whatever was found can't have been the ark described in the fairy tale. The story didn't happen. It's a myth.
@PHDcsfan Produce doesn't imply evolution. Genesis says that he put different "kinds" of animals and plants, all of which produce offspring "after their kind", which I think can be assumed to mean pretty much what all the anti-science hucksters say it meant. Nobody really thought of evolution in a Darwinian sense until people began to travel all over the world and study animals that lived in totally different places. There is no way the bible could have known about evolution.
@Countrygent100 Stop naming, or rather attempting to name, scientific disciplines to gain unearned credibility. Nothing in this video nor in that bible story is related in any way to plate TECtonics or geophysics - read a single sentence definition of each and you'd understand. And I assume by 'hydraulics' you mean hydrology. That respected science, along with grade 5 math, unequivocally denies the possibility of a global flood. Your remaining 'points' are gibberish.
@Countrygent100 You write utter nonsense! There is no straw man in this argument! The video does not misrepresent the bible story. QED. As for 'flood dynamics' 'stratigraphic deposition' and 'geocataclysms' - you don't know the first thing about Earth science. Earth scientists (I'm one) would be the first to offer volumes of incontrovertible evidence against the global flood, and none for it. Of course, biologists, engineers and rational 8-year olds could too. Read a real book.
@jk3696 Is there any point in us continuing this debate? You could cite 'volumes' of evidence, so could I. But evidence is not PROOF of a theory - whether Uniformitarianism or Creationism - it is merely 'evidence'. Cherished theories are constantly challenged and honest inquiry demands an open mind. Time was, no reputable scientist accepted continental drift theory; now it's orthodox science. I suggest Catastrophism will eventually be embraced as Scientific orthodoxy. Time will tell.
@Countrygent100 Catastrophism is real. It's been documented in the end of the Wisconsinan glaciation, is evidenced by the Chixculub impact structure, etc. You cite a great example in Wegener's continental drift. But that epitomizes the difference between science and religion. Once an idea, even if seemingly radical, passes scientific scrutiny, 'beliefs' change to match the evidence. Noah's flood can't be supported, and it is easily disproved. Only closed-minded if there were a case for the fable
@kovako01 have you heard about plate tectonics? Everest used to be ocean floor before the Indian plate collided with the Eurasian plate. No magical sky entity needed.
Remember the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. God placed two choices -- the tree of knowledge and the tree of life. The tree of knowledge represents the mind and the tree of life represents the heart. How do you want to experience God? -- with the mind or with the heart? God wants us to experience Him with the heart -- where you spirit resides -- for the mind distorts everything. The physical is an illusion. The invisible things of God are more real for they are everlasting.
@AntiCitizenX God in this verse is setting up protection for slaves or servants. A practive the ancient Israelites probably learned from the Egyptians. Slavery as practiced by the ancient Israelites was somewhat different -- people usually sold themselves as servants to paid a debt, people were not kidnapped (read Exodus 21:16 The practice of slave trading was also condemed in the N. T. 1 thimothy 1:8-10) the servitude only lasted for a number of years.
Wooki, that verse is giving slave-owners a free license to BEAT THEIR SLAVES! Look at yourself. You're actually defending this. What kind of sick, twisted person are you?
What is reality but an illusion. What is a rock but an illusion. What is language the tool that creates the illusion. Are you going to let language and senseless questions keep you from experiencing unconditional love?
Why do you limit God? -- a being who is infinite, to whom nothing is impossible. According to the Bible the Pacific and Atlantic oceans where not in existence before the flood -- this to me proves the validity of the Biblical flood. Think about it.
The Bible also says that the Earth is like a giant snow globe floating in a vast, cosmic ocean. Do you also believe this? There are many references to the "firmament," which is describing a hard, glass dome that is supposed to be the sky. The "abyss" and the "deep" are also references to the notion that outer space is full of water. It is not a question of limiting God. It is a question of demonstrably inaccurate claims made within the Bible.
@metubegirl69er Ad hominems and an opinion based on what, exactly? Apparently nothing. Therefore, dismissed just as fast. Next time, bring some evidence and a clue. See, I've got 9 trillion cu meters of NaCl that says the Noah story is just that. A story.
Wookie53- Your inept god limits himself. If there was evil in the world, drowning babies and fuzzy kittens to get rid of this evil was far from an elegant solution. Of course, none of this would have been necessary at all had this god paid more attention in design school.
@wooki53 idiot..genesis says that god floated across the water..b4 anything was created..so the bible says there was water b4 anything..get ur facts straight u fool.
@ironman197268 I fyeigured i'd give you something to read. it's easier than telling you to go pick up a college level textbook or two. i'm going to assume from your response you didn't read any of it. you can lead a horse to water
The two biggest issues I have with noahs ark is that in in gen 6:19 it talks about two of each animal but if you scroll a little bit further to 7:1 it talks about 7 pairs of every kind of clean animal..so it does not matter if it is kind vs species..it is still a hell of a lot of animals..also for god being so perfect...why is he filled with regret to the point of wiping everyone out including baby's who have yet to speak let alone act out abominations
@MsSquarebearz Right on the money. A flood is a total kludge. Why destroy those who have not sinned, or cannot sin (plants and animals)? Yawhe could smoke Sodom and Gomorrah? First born of Egypt? No prob. What, was Jehova waiting to level up? ACHEIVEMENT UNLOCKED: "GLOBAL DEATH MURDER BLAST!!!" (cue ominus theme music). It's total bullshit and I still am amazed that there are people who actually believe this nonsense.
@NorthForkFisherman LMAO I could not have put it better!! I always just saw the story as god hitting the Ctrl, Alt, Delete button on humanity....only to start us off with more incest (second time in the first book of the bible). Your version is much more mentally satisfying to picture :)
@NorthForkFisherman hahah well god is like darthvader..skulking around scaring the shit out of people, killing people needlessly, and try's to convince those he hurts that he's their father! I think the Imperial March would be most fitting LMAO
@MsSquarebearz Thanks. Though when looking at the followers of the various monotheisms, you know what comes to mind? The Benny Hill chase theme. Yes, you're hearing it now. (I'm terrible like that). On a more serious note, I'd like you to critique my work and line of thought so far in dealing with ironman. I'll admit I've gotten a bit more rough in my presentation, but I've totally lost respect for his ability to argue a point. Can you see anything that I could make more clear?
3:27 First you'll have to read what the Bible says. Ten times it says ''take the kinds'', NOT THE SPECIES!!! And the kinds have the genes to make new species very quick. See what the dog-breeders have done with the Chihuahua.
So why do you believe a stupid theory, which is never been proven right, before The Bible, which is never been proven wrong!!! It's probably because your lifestyle, isn't it? You could better give your short life to God, because you will be longer dead than you have lived.
@daan6843zt So the bible says "take the kinds", what is a "kind"? Since the bible doesn't reference how to distinguish between different kinds of animals. I'll be surprised to see what sort of claptrap you come up with. By the by, all species have the genes to make new species. Genetics is not on your side in this case. So why do you believe in such an obvious fairytale? The bible has been proven wrong on many occasions. Buddy, life is short, don't waste it in silly little superstitions.
@daan6843zt You mean that whole striped goats thing is factual? Well sakes alive, call Stockholm and get this boy a Nobel Prize for just thowing away all genetics and molecular biology with a bullshit bible story. /sarcasm. To be serious now, did you actually read what you wrote, or are you going to say that you left your workstation unlocked and someone else posted this to make you look silly? Because if the former is true, you've obviously not thought the whole thing out. Brains = thinking?
@NorthForkFisherman So, ice cubes wont melt if you drop them in boiling water? Oh I know the further down you go the hotter it gets. You're starting to do what you guys do best, keep on trying to flatter yourself when you're the one that's failing. When did the last ice age happen?
Mental illness can be genetic or environmental. In the case of creationists it's environmental.
NotEnoughLions 6 months ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd uh yeah... Thanks... We're on the same page... Ha i forgot about this crappy vid! Did this guy tell you to look at the revised vid? Oooo! freaky!
DownHavenFilms 6 months ago
Your christian faith has no depth. Just look at the elementary vocabulary used in the bible. If this was the literal word of god, and he disseminated his word to the copiers ('authors'), throughout their life time they could have wrote down many library full of books. The issue is, the realm of knowledge just was very broad at that time, so the stupid bible is so short compared to say......a elementary school's library, so in reality the bible is less informative than data at the kidish level.
MonkeySpecs301 6 months ago
You are hopelessly confused, the water at the climax of the flood reached 30 feet above the highest mountain. And there were not two of every species of animal, but two of every family/familidae of animal (totaling less than a few thousand individuals). The Bible doesn't say Noah gathered the animals. Genetic diversity was exponentially greater and mutation was exponentially less, allowing incest to be viable. Furthermore, The remains of the Ark can be seen from space at Lat: 39.441 Lon: 44.235
ConfederatePatriot 6 months ago
@ConfederatePatriot
Is your head up your ass for the warmth?
AntiCitizenX 6 months ago
@AntiCitizenX nope, but it looks like yers is gunna get some warmth in Hell.
ConfederatePatriot 6 months ago
@ConfederatePatriot
Did you watch the revised video at all? It addresses many of your claims.
/watch?v=8IPGwAf0Ivw
AntiCitizenX 6 months ago
@ConfederatePatriot
watch?v=8IPGwAf0Ivw
AntiCitizenX 6 months ago
@AntiCitizenX I watched (youtube.com/watch?v=8IPGwAf0Ivw) and still stand by my original post.
ConfederatePatriot 6 months ago
@ConfederatePatriot
So you stand by the literal interpretation of Noah's Flood, knowing full-well that ancient Hebrew cosmology considered the Earth to be a flat disk covered by a giant crystal dome; Knowing full-well that penguins can't walk to Antarctica; Knowing full-well nothing in geology, genetics, or logistics could lend any credence to this story...
Your head is now officially square up your ass. I have nothing but contempt for you.
AntiCitizenX 6 months ago 2
@AntiCitizenX Yes, in 2349 BC the water inside the Earth was brought to the surface through the cracks in the plate tectonics, breaking up pangaea. Ancient Hebrew cosmologists misinterpreted Isaiah 40:22. As changes in atmosphere from the flood & plate movements caused the Ice Age, South America was connected to Antarctica via ice (perfect for penguins). And I also know full-well that everything in geology, genetics & logistics confirms every Biblical account, particularly, intelligent design.
ConfederatePatriot 6 months ago
@ConfederatePatriot Amen brother. Although i would steer clear of the pangea theory as i believe that to be another Jesuit created hoax like evolution theory. I would lean more toward the "fountains of the deep bursting forth" as the catalyst and cause for our present day fault lines that stretch across the earth like San Andreas. It's interesting how many fault lines parallel mountain ranges.
PEACE & GOD BLESS ALL!!!
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd I'm a devout Methodist Christian, but also love science & geography. You can't ignore the fact, that South America's eastern border fits exactly to Africa's western border, as well as the other continents with one another. The Pangaea theory does not contradict (but is confirmed by) the Bible.
Gen 1:9 -water...gathered together into ONE place & let THE dry land appear
Gen 7:11(KJV)-"great deep BROKEN UP" (Plate Creation)
Evolutionists can't explain what created the plates.
ConfederatePatriot 6 months ago
@ConfederatePatriot It also could be the S.America & Africa conXtion apearance is an unfortunate coincidence. Continents r not plates floating round in a tub of water. U take all the water away and u'll c they r all very much connected as 1 big solid body of land w/"fountains of the deep fissures (fault lines) keeping everything pretty much in place Xcept when the 'rubbing' gets intense then quakes. I would care to broaden on the scripture passages you cite for deeper insight. (retort invited)
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd
There is ZERO scientific support for your crackpot ideas.....
odinata 6 months ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd Based on the fossil distribution of species (buried @ the beginning of the flood), mountain range connections, and the locations of natural resources, I cannot accept that the continental borders fitting together like a puzzle as mere coincidence. And opposed to evolution & old earth theories, there is no reason why the Bible would not comply with the fact that Earth was created with 1 continent and 1 ocean. If the flood had not occured, it would still be the same way today.
ConfederatePatriot 6 months ago
@ConfederatePatriot REPLY 2-" I cannot accept that the continental borders fitting together like a puzzle as mere coincidence."-ConfederatePatriot
Can you accept the fact that if you remove all the water that lies between South America and Africa that it will reveal S. America, the earth under the water and Africa as one vast area of land? And if you accept this and still think the 2 continents once fit together like a puzzle that you can't think past your nose.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd Yes, It would be absurd not to accept that the floor of the ocean is land. But, that land was inside the earth in 2349 BC, until the Flood and breaking up of the great deep radically changed the face of the planet forever. If you ever get a chance to go to Northern Kentucky, the "Creation Museum" is a great place to learn about the extreme geological and meteorological effects of the Flood.
ConfederatePatriot 6 months ago
@ConfederatePatriot Funny you should mention the museum because i have been talking about going with some folks for about a month or so. I have been looking forward to it. It is my belief that the Pangea theory is simply another Jesuit directed hoax of deception to mislead people just as Evolution theory and heliocentricity theory. For them to fit they shrink Africa by a 1/3 and eliminate a few places like Cuba. The continents are not floating.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd Well... Me, the Creation Museum, and many other true Christians would just have to disagree with you on this particular issue.
Question all things with boldness - Thomas Jefferson
(Thanks for a good debate) God Bless Ya
ConfederatePatriot 6 months ago
@ConfederatePatriot "You are hopelessly confused, the water at the climax of the flood reached 30 feet above the highest mountain"-ConfederatePatriot
"And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered."-Ge 7:19-20 The mountains were covered-twenty-two and a half feet above the summits of the highest hills.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
it's real whther you like it or not. ANYTHING can be debunked.
YAHIS4EVER 6 months ago
If you're going to debunk Noah's flood, great. It's crazy to believe that! But at least debunk what people believe and the Bible actually says instead of creating Straw Men. Are you smart enough to do that? The Bible says the the flood waters covered the mountain tops BY 15 cubits, NOT that the flood was only 15 cubits deep. Too lazy too read a book, I see. Also, according to YECs all the animals lived in close proximity to Noah, in a tropical climate, NOT that Kangaroos only lived in Australia.
Quintapus 7 months ago
@Quintapus
If you're going to bitch me out, then at least read the annotations and video description.
watch?v=8IPGwAf0Ivw
AntiCitizenX 7 months ago
@AntiCitizenX If you know you're wrong, them take down the old video so you don't get comment's like mine.
Quintapus 6 months ago
@Quintapus Granted, that's what the bible says. Now, that aside, what can you say to the all the of the points made in this video and others? ... Nothing? I thought so. The fact that this was the only thing you harped on indicates the rest holds.
charkopolis 7 months ago
@charkopolis Huh? What can I say to all the points in this video? Why should I? What can YOU say to all the points in this video? What's your point? I could do a far more thorough debunking of Noah's Flood than this pathetic video tried to do. But my debunking would be of what the Bible says, not of something I pulled out of my ass. I could debunk Little Red Riding Hood, but I wouldn't debunk the part where she slays a Dragon, because it isn't in the story. That would make me look stupid.
Quintapus 6 months ago
there is one thing that people always try to tell others and that people would want others to believe what they want to believe. I mean come on people should think freely or believe in any religion they believe in. You shouldn't even be forced to do something your don't want to do. (I'm not talkin bout bein lazy and sit on yer ass on all day) Sure people can tell what they think about this and that, but if others don't want to follow, its their choice. heh go ahead. say im insane i don't care
Artyom2122 7 months ago
Religious people hate when you try to use reason to work your way through the logistics of a Biblical flood. Some will try to rationalize it to actually make it sound as logical as possible. But others will not even attempt this and instead claim that anything is possible with God, so the Flood actually happened by magic. And this begs the question of why Noah is needed as a middleman if everything could be done by magic in the first place. Why not just poof everyone dead?
Ledwix 7 months ago
U sound like dog from up
kysmelmonge 7 months ago
THE FLOOD WAS REGIONAL. Maybe that will help you folks out a little bit with your rants. Noah was only the 10th generation of mankind, hardly enough time to populate the whole world. Mose wrote THE WORLD THAT THEN WAS was flooded. Joshua wrote ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FLOOD four times in Chapter 24. Maybe you all should be your Bibles out and take another look if you want to speak as experts, then become experts.
MegaSage007 7 months ago
@MegaSage007
Is your head up your ass for the warmth?
AntiCitizenX 7 months ago
@MegaSage007 10th generation of mankind? Only if you completely dismiss every hominid fossil found over the last 100 years. And then dismiss entire fields of anthropology, geology, and biology. All of which are independently verified and converge to the same conclusion: that if Noah existed as said in the bible. Then he would not be a 10th generation human. Since when has the bible been a literal and factual account of history? Wasn't that the point of this video?
charkopolis 7 months ago
@MegaSage007 The Bible says ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER. Flood for river is the old King James English.
Read The Biblical Hebrew Portal.
InternetDarkLord 7 months ago
@MegaSage007 Populate the world pre-flood or post? Where is the problem? I am not seeing it
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
I really like your title. "Me VS God"
tjtheplay 7 months ago
Excellent video. So amusing to see the nervous angry reaction of the creationists who are mind numbingly believing the bible as truth in spite of the impossibilities of it. As predictable they revert to the "kinds" argument which has no basis nor even evidence to back up.
philster611 7 months ago 2
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@philster611 ..."believing the bible as truth in spite of the impossibilities of it. As predictable they revert to the "kinds" argument which has no basis nor even evidence to back up."
What would you like to start with? One at a time please.
The anticipation is killing me. Please hurry.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
never compare yourself to god you bitch have fun in hell mother fucker
Thejunkman1991 7 months ago
@Thejunkman1991 Too bad god doesn't exist stupid bitch.
tjtheplay 7 months ago
@Thejunkman1991
"never compare yourself to god you bitch"
>Why not? According to the lore you seem to have faith in, states that your deity made humans as its own image. Which would enable comparison.
-Jahve is a petty, brutal, jealous maniac who likes the smell of burning flesh and also conducts mass murders and genocides.
-I am not.
See, comparison is easy.
"have fun in hell mother fucker"
>Have fun in the torture chambers created by your deity...who was supposed to be kind, loving etc..
ArmaFennica 7 months ago 2
this video is great, thank you.
thecisco666 8 months ago
lol awsome bro
thenormog 8 months ago
@AntiCitizenX You really think the bible said noah roamed all over the earth to gather animals? You think that the ark had to hold the same amount of species there are 2day 60 percent being insect dispite how big the ark was? You used the kj version? i could go on... Look up what the most ac-u-rat bible is, read care-fully and try again cuz this is fun-nay.
DownHavenFilms 8 months ago
@DownHavenFilms
Watch the revised video.
AntiCitizenX 8 months ago
@DownHavenFilms I'LL TAKE ON YOUR POINTS ONE AT A TIME. "You really think the bible said noah roamed all over the earth to gather animals?"-DownHavenFilms
"Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive." Ge 6:20
that is they shall come of themselves, as Jarchi and Aben Ezra observe, the providence of God so directing and impelling them, just as the creatures came to Adam
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
of course the jew is known for his lies and his ability to tell woppers to dictate a false history, and false sympathy and then there is another whopper that theyforce on everyone that they were chosen by God and then He gave them a country, What a freakin laugh, the only god they were chosen by would have been Satan, and even then it is a far cry from reality, Jews didnt exodus from Egypt , they were thrown out for debauchery and evil demonic theft, and incest.
DeutscheKreuze 8 months ago
@DeutscheKreuze Did the Nazi Party meeting end early?
InternetDarkLord 8 months ago
ha ha....lol ignorant.
AngelofLoveOne 8 months ago
well i stopped listening at 2:30, might wanna get your story straight for your remake. He didn't need to of every creature, he need to of every kind. So for example he needed 2 bears, not a black bear, grizzly bear, polar bear etc etc. Just 2 bears.
twistedbydsign99 8 months ago
@twistedbydsign99
POLAR BEARS CANNOT GIVE BIRTH TO GRIZZLY BEARS, TWISTED! Don't be a fucking moron...
AntiCitizenX 8 months ago
@AntiCitizenX Not directly no, but those are breeds/species of bears right? That came from a common ancestor? From that common ancestor you got both bears, hence noah needed just 2 bears.
twistedbydsign99 8 months ago
@twistedbydsign99
Twisted, if you want to get technical, then EVERYTHING shares a common ancestor. All bears are from the family urside. But all ursids, canids, and felids are carnivoras. Then all carnivoras and rodents are mammals, and all mammals and reptiles are vertebrates. Why not save yourself the trouble and just say that Noah only brought two vertebrates on the Ark? Do you think some form of hyper-evolution gave rise to our current biodiversity in only 5000 years?
AntiCitizenX 8 months ago
@AntiCitizenX I wouldn't say that because the bible doesn't say that. It says he brought two of every kind of animal, and then goes through the trouble of listing the major categories at the time.
twistedbydsign99 8 months ago
@twistedbydsign99
Okay, fine. Explain to me in precise terms what the exact phylogenetic distinction for "kind" is. Then justify to me why the original Hebrew word "miyn" means exactly this. When you're done, go out and produce for me a series of transitional fossils and that demonstrate the development from your "kinds" into today's biodiversity. And while you're at it, corroborate the whole thing genetically. Do this, and you have a case.
AntiCitizenX 8 months ago
@AntiCitizenX Well I think you should accept that this is a possibility without an exhaustive proof like that since even if you are an evolutionist you would say this is possible. Anyway the hebrew word is leminehu, meaning "after its kind."
twistedbydsign99 8 months ago
@twistedbydsign99
Twisted, please understand that I am not trying to be difficult. I am trying to show you that you can't just sit back in your armchair and make empty excuses. When you go around making claims about how you think the world works or what happened in the past, you have to justify that with more than ad hoc hypotheses. Simpy saying "the Bible sez so" just doesn't cut it. Unless you want people to think you are a fraud, you have to do better.
AntiCitizenX 8 months ago
@AntiCitizenX Well I wasn't, I was pointing out that this videos assumptions about what the bible says is not founded. And I don't believe that the "the bible says" is all that is going on here. There are plenty of ancient tribes that still maintain their verbal creation myths and many also talk about a world wide flood. Lastly I don't have to justify my opinions, I can use whatever standard of truth I deem necessary. People can think I'm a fraud, its of no importance to me what people think.
twistedbydsign99 8 months ago
@twistedbydsign99
" Lastly I don't have to justify my opinions, I can use whatever standard of truth I deem necessary."
We're not talking about opinions, Twisted. We're talking about you making categorical statements of fact with regards to reality. Anyone who says they do not have to justify their beliefs is making excuses for the fact that they believe in nonsense. If that doesn't sit well with you, then your'e just a fraud and I'm not interested in listening to anything you have to say.
AntiCitizenX 8 months ago
@AntiCitizenX if you believe that you haven't truly dealt with nihilism or descartes demon. The fact is opinion is all we can talk about. So yes given this reality it is a fact that each being chooses its standard of truth.
twistedbydsign99 8 months ago
@twistedbydsign99
Descartes Demon does not in any way give you justification for going around claiming that the scribblings of a bronze-age story book have anything to do with reality. All it does is demonstrate the absurd lengths you are willing to go for the sake of defending an obviously made-up fairytale. You seriously need to free your mind from this superstitious garbage and join us in the wonderful world of reality. At the very least, you won't have to lie to yourself so much.
AntiCitizenX 8 months ago
@AntiCitizenX It does give me that justification. Knowing something amounts to nothing more than it crossing your subjective threshold of of "yea thats enough evidence." And if you recall the discussion is about the number of animals the bible says went onto noahs ark. Given my investigation it says two of every kind, not two of every breed/race/subspecie.
twistedbydsign99 8 months ago
@twistedbydsign99
Twisted, I am trying to have a serious discussion with you, but you are admitting from the get-go that truth does not matter to you. You patently refuse to follow the basic rules of justifiable knowledge. And for what? The scribblings of a bunch of bronze-age goat herders? What could possibly motivate you into this? If you're going to sell your reason, at least have something to show for it.
AntiCitizenX 8 months ago
Why do some christians insist the flood actaully happened?
Look at the geneology of jesus in Luke 1, WHO is the 11th person in the list?
NOAH!
jesus referred to noah, the time of noah, and the flood of noah as a historic event. If the flood never happened, if the story of Noah was a myth, how can jesus be the decendant of a myth? How could jesus be god and not KNOW the flood never happened.
the flood never happened, and therefore JESUS WAS NO GOD!
MrHobiecat 8 months ago
I think it was a oral history from the middle east from survivors of folks who suffered the flooding of low lying land from glacial melting at the end of the ice age.
damic 8 months ago
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Death isnt the end and God knows that... Death is no big deal,
just like closing one book, your going to open another sooner or later....
My Life is a book and my Soul is a bookcase..... Someone asked me a question ...
"what would a God less world look like?"... A world without God would be a
world without Life.. because God is Life, the intelligent inter-connection of ALL LIFE...
He isnt a old man with a bread on a cloud, and the stories of the bible are just stories.
OooHesGood 8 months ago
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God is the energy within and without all life. Its a very intelligent energy... My Life is like a book and my Soul is a bookcase. When your skin cells die new ones replace them everyday, without the death of those cells we wouldnt age, there would be no time. Without death there is no time. Everything has to die so it can be re-born, so we can continue to move thru time... God is life and death. Its the circle energy of life that flows thru time. God didnt just create the Universe, he became it
OooHesGood 8 months ago
holy shit. literally.........
LordHines420 8 months ago
wow this guys trashes whats actually written taking one thing then creating / lying about a counterpart thing, its say every kind not every species, it says 7 of each not 2, it says there wasnt any mts till 100's of years later or divided lands etc, most predators can eats plants, the oldest known jewish version is in hebrew 100's yrs BC not aramaic, animals would hibernate, many plants / amphibians can live in flood waters / mud & many insects lay their eggs in water like mosquitoes, etc,
iseecheese 8 months ago
@iseecheese
Genesis 7:2 says there were 7 of every clean animal and 2 of every unclean and 7:15 says they went on 2 x 2. Are you saying you still believe this story literally?
meangreen4321 8 months ago
@meangreen4321 , the point is if your going to critisize a story get the context fully accurate, species is a non ancient latin word not a ancient hebrew pictographic word -there is no way it can being translated to mean the same thing, and the word itself has no known distinct definition, gen 10:25 - land divided- which can only happen by rising water or land moving up or down, so it had to be the land moving cause there isnt 30k ft of water, the land buckled as it does everywhere and crumbled
iseecheese 8 months ago
Respond to this video...ps 104.7-9, gen7;11, 8;2, it says under ocean fountains that broke open & came up not ice melting, noone knows how much water are in the ocean springs, u dont know what "breath of life" means to ancient hebrews, kids knows that if you tried to put one of every species on a boat it would need to be miles long boat, u only need kids of each genus, storms with darkness & disasters & winter etc cause all animals to hide & hibernate naturally, birds flock to boats
iseecheese 8 months ago
@iseecheese 1. The geothermal heat would boil everything alive, ark or no ark.
2. There are too many genera.
3. The Bible says clean animal pairs were 7s, not 2.
4. How did kiwis or dodos flock to a boat?
5. Inbreeding would be massive and obvious today.
6. Some animals don't have 2 genders, "male and female", as Genesis says.
7. A rocking and pitching boat is bad for hibernation, the storm itself was only 40 days.
8. you have no evidence for this hogwash.
InternetDarkLord 8 months ago
@iseecheese
"it says under ocean fountains that broke open"
Actually, it says "The fountains of the great deep," which have NOTHING to do with springs under the Earth's oceans. It is a reference to the primordial waters that lie above the firmament. It is right there in Genesis chapter 1, Cheese.
AntiCitizenX 8 months ago
AntiCitizenX 8 months ago
This is the best video I've seen on YouTube debunking this silly myth. PWNED, as they say! :)
inphanta 9 months ago
@inphanta
Stay tuned. I'm almost finished with a re-make of this video.
AntiCitizenX 9 months ago
God's will win OH it's Sherman
YoCuzwaasup 9 months ago
God's will win
YoCuzwaasup 9 months ago
there is no point in arguing with the believers of all that religious crap, its like trying to talk some sense into a monkey. if they want to waste their lives believing in all that crap, they are free to do so
coronagalvez19 9 months ago
@coronagalvez19
You're right. Why bother spreading counter-points against a highly organized political agenda that seeks to overturn science education? Let's just sit back and do nothing while they push superstitious beliefs into public education and indoctrinate their impressionable children with bronze-age fairy tales about genocidal gods they need to appease or else.
AntiCitizenX 9 months ago
LOL, I've been reading your replies, you crack me up - love the video, keep up the good work AntiCitizenX.
zombiehellmonkey 9 months ago
and lightning bolt in
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elgostine 9 months ago
The video is great but the last part give too much credit to the bible. Most fairy tales have no particular real story behind them. People just made them up for entaritaining value. There was not TV and video games at that time, remember
alive4ever1 9 months ago
God wasted Noahs life building the damn thing. god could of done it. LAZY GIT :|
nightname6 9 months ago
The people who believe such nonsense to be true must be the least critically thinking people in history.
Pinage 9 months ago
The teacher will make or allowed intentional "mistakes" for the student to correct them, to learn and think in different ways. But the fool will see the "mistakes" and belittle the teacher and not learn anything from them. The Bible is an interpretation. It is as if I painted the Mona Lisa by Leonardo DaVinci and people critized Leonardo DaVinci instead of me. Remember that in the same way you judge God Almighty you will be judged. And with the measure you use, it will be measured unto you.
wooki53 9 months ago
@wooki53
wooki, we're not talking about little "mistakes." We are talking about people who honestly believe in the factual validity of something completely unsubstantiated and entirely contrary to physical observation. There are no words to describe such behavior except for "stupid morons." Stop degrading yourself in the defense of what is obviously made-up fiction.
AntiCitizenX 9 months ago 11
@AntiCitizenX "Stop degrading yourself in the defense of what is obviously made-up fiction."-AntiCitizenX
OF COURSE YOU DO REALIZE THAT IF YOU WERE COMPLETELY TO THE CORE CONVINCED OF YOUR STAND ON THIS ISSUE, THEN YOU WOULDN'T EVEN BE WATCHING THESE VIDEOS.
TRUTH BE TOLD YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING FOR CERTAIN. KEEP SEARCHING BROTHER.
PEACE & GOD BLESS ALL !
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
@wooki53 Any deity that would create such evidence directly in contradiction too what is purported to have happened is by it's very nature deceitful and therefore nothing it states could be trusted. It's more likely that a local event entered folklore and got inflated over time. Local floods? Sure. Happen all the time. Global? No effing way.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
you really treating this like it happened? this is a story you idiot LOOOL
kevinjjfr 9 months ago
And also if this isn't true then why is 98% of america christians? they have all seen the light, you need to do that to
xXILuvJBieberXx 9 months ago
@xXILuvJBieberXx You ignored everything that was said in this video. If 98% of the people believe something that is impossible, then 98% of the people are wrong.
PluralOfEverything 9 months ago
you dont understand everything in the bible is the truth, it just needs your faith. mabye its not possbile for jesus to save you, but you just reach your hand out for him.
xXILuvJBieberXx 9 months ago
@xXILuvJBieberXx Believing something doesn't make it true. Evidence is required for belief to be justified. Faith for the sake of faith is nonsensical and wrong.
PluralOfEverything 9 months ago
@PluralOfEverything
Well everytime my mom prays for something she gets it. car keys, remote control etc
also i experinced the light myself, when i'm going through rough times i pray! and it becomes better GOD helps me trough everything, he would help you too if you accepted JESUS as you're saviour
xXILuvJBieberXx 9 months ago
if u can defend noahs ark u shud be locked away...
hyams1 10 months ago
Okay. Cute. "Straw man fallacy". End to end. Your whole presentation. "Straw man fallacy". Look it up. Your 'knowledge' (and I use the term lightly) of plate techtonics, geophysics, oceanic hydraulics, wooden construction, animal husbandry, flood dynamics including stratigraphic deposition over vast areas, historical precedents of geocataclysmic events, etc, etc, etc... all are laughable.
Countrygent100 10 months ago
@Countrygent100
So you think incestuous reproduction is a perfectly valid way for life to reproduce?
AntiCitizenX 10 months ago 4
@AntiCitizenX You're starting a different (if related) topic. The original debate here is whether or not there could have been a global cataclysmic flood in historical times.
But... to answer your question. Any small population will experience genetic decreptitude over generations IF the original host population (or pair) are genetically impaired. The Bible aserts that Noah was "perfect in his generations". God doesn't endorse incest when it leads to retardation (Leviticus' laws). So now? No.
Countrygent100 10 months ago
@Countrygent100
What exactly does "genetically impaired" mean?
And am I correct in assuming that you genuinely think the whole concept of a universal flood as described in the bible is literally and historically accurate?
AntiCitizenX 10 months ago 3
@Countrygent100
"The original debate here is whether or not there could have been a global cataclysmic flood in historical times."
The answer to this is an unambiguous NO, and I'm really not interested in arguing this. The really interesting question here is how a seemingly rational person like yourself could still believe that such an obvious childhood fairytale is an historically literal event.
AntiCitizenX 10 months ago 13
@AntiCitizenX I know why.....he's a moron!
mmeasy123 9 months ago
@AntiCitizenX dude in the bible it says the whole world flooeded yes? but it was a metaphor you see in noahs town people thought the whole town was the whole world they thought.god said whole world because they would not understand him by if he said the town only. there simple minded the bible is not normal stories of litteralism its mostly metaphors.the world was not flooded only noahs town.
PHDcsfan 9 months ago
@PHDcsfan You don't know what a metaphor is. It's not an exaggeration. If the bible says the whole world was flooded and the whole world was not flooded, then the bible was wrong. If it doesn't clarify itself, then it must have meant what it said.
PluralOfEverything 9 months ago
@PluralOfEverything actualy okay its not a metaphor still you should not take it all litteral.
noah thought the town was the whole world when god talks to you he makes sure you understand.
you just dont get it.
PHDcsfan 9 months ago
@PHDcsfan So what you're saying is that nobody should believe what is written in the bible because it was written by ignorant men who didn't understand the world. I couldn't agree more.
PluralOfEverything 9 months ago
@PluralOfEverything what im saying is is that you should not always take the bible litteraly the bible is 80 percent metaphor.dude ive been into many arguements.please gimme a break.
PHDcsfan 9 months ago
@PHDcsfan This isn't an argument. I agree. What's in the bible shouldn't be believed as if it all actually happened. The stuff about jesus is included in that. A guy dying on a cross to pay for the sins of mankind is just a metaphor for something.
PluralOfEverything 9 months ago
@PluralOfEverything im not catholic im jewish.jesus is not god theres evidence.
the word world can mean many thigns yes im wrong i should not have called it a metaphor
but let me give you an example :
example i have a girl friend i sing to her you rock my world though everyone shares the world
now.world can mean your life your surroundings and bounaries.
on the other hand world can mean earth.
world can mean your own life/your surroundings
world can mean earth.
thats what im saying.
PHDcsfan 9 months ago
@PHDcsfan I don't think that's what it meant in the story. It took place after the tower of babel story, so people had settled all over the world. Yahweh decided he wanted to kill every living thing on the planet, as in earth. It doesn't work any other way. It's clear when you look at the context that that's what it means. Another thing you can see from context is that it's not meant to be an analogy or a parable. If it was, it would say so in the text.
PluralOfEverything 9 months ago
@PluralOfEverything dude common sense if those animals were only pairs of each animal type what will their children breed with? never said anything in the bible god created more animals.
PHDcsfan 9 months ago
@PHDcsfan I agree. That's one of many reasons the story makes no sense. My argument, however, is that the story is not meant to be an analogy or a metaphor. It was included in the bible as a historical account of something that many believe actually happened. It's stupid, but that's what it is.
PluralOfEverything 9 months ago
@PluralOfEverything it actualy happened but not the way the christians did
you see? im a jew.all jews do not beleive the world was not flooded never was
.the term world ment surroundings or your town.
its stupid to think it ment what it ment.thanks to the christians for the increasing number of atheist's
PHDcsfan 9 months ago
@PHDcsfan Genesis 6:7 says this: And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
If you're going by a version where it suggests that it was only people in a small area that he didn't like, I'd love to read it for myself, but the KJV clearly states that it was the entire earth.
PluralOfEverything 9 months ago
have you not heard of a documentary where noah's ark was found? and it is exactly as the bible described it 450 feet long.
anyways enough of that. this is last comment.
the earth was the earth to them to noah he thought its a small world. must i have to go to this again and again if god had said from the face of the land would be litteral its impossible for the world to be flooded because there is not enough water to flood the whole earth. and theres just too much animals species.
PHDcsfan 9 months ago
@PHDcsfan I've heard a lot of people claim that Noah's ark was found, but since the story can't possibly be true, whatever was found can't have been the ark described in the fairy tale. The story didn't happen. It's a myth.
PluralOfEverything 9 months ago
@PluralOfEverything thats not realy a metaphor.
i dont know if noah knew its a big or small world
but in conclusion:
world can mean many things i only know 3 meanings.
your life
your home
our earth.
its not realy a metaphor
PHDcsfan 9 months ago
@PluralOfEverything also it makes no sense if noahs 3 sons had children who will they mate with?
example in the bible mentions evolution yes it does and i found it when god said produce all kinds of animals
produce ment make babies or multiply it mustve been evolution.
PHDcsfan 9 months ago
@PHDcsfan Produce doesn't imply evolution. Genesis says that he put different "kinds" of animals and plants, all of which produce offspring "after their kind", which I think can be assumed to mean pretty much what all the anti-science hucksters say it meant. Nobody really thought of evolution in a Darwinian sense until people began to travel all over the world and study animals that lived in totally different places. There is no way the bible could have known about evolution.
PluralOfEverything 9 months ago
@Countrygent100 "The original debate here is whether or not there could have been a global cataclysmic flood in historical times."
Then it's a short debate.
NO!
Serostern 9 months ago
@Countrygent100 This isn't a straw man fallacy. He doesn't misrepresent the story of Noahs ark here at all, nor does he present his own.
biggingeryeti 9 months ago
@Countrygent100 Stop naming, or rather attempting to name, scientific disciplines to gain unearned credibility. Nothing in this video nor in that bible story is related in any way to plate TECtonics or geophysics - read a single sentence definition of each and you'd understand. And I assume by 'hydraulics' you mean hydrology. That respected science, along with grade 5 math, unequivocally denies the possibility of a global flood. Your remaining 'points' are gibberish.
jk3696 9 months ago
@Countrygent100 You write utter nonsense! There is no straw man in this argument! The video does not misrepresent the bible story. QED. As for 'flood dynamics' 'stratigraphic deposition' and 'geocataclysms' - you don't know the first thing about Earth science. Earth scientists (I'm one) would be the first to offer volumes of incontrovertible evidence against the global flood, and none for it. Of course, biologists, engineers and rational 8-year olds could too. Read a real book.
jk3696 9 months ago
@jk3696 Is there any point in us continuing this debate? You could cite 'volumes' of evidence, so could I. But evidence is not PROOF of a theory - whether Uniformitarianism or Creationism - it is merely 'evidence'. Cherished theories are constantly challenged and honest inquiry demands an open mind. Time was, no reputable scientist accepted continental drift theory; now it's orthodox science. I suggest Catastrophism will eventually be embraced as Scientific orthodoxy. Time will tell.
Countrygent100 9 months ago
@Countrygent100 Catastrophism is real. It's been documented in the end of the Wisconsinan glaciation, is evidenced by the Chixculub impact structure, etc. You cite a great example in Wegener's continental drift. But that epitomizes the difference between science and religion. Once an idea, even if seemingly radical, passes scientific scrutiny, 'beliefs' change to match the evidence. Noah's flood can't be supported, and it is easily disproved. Only closed-minded if there were a case for the fable
jk3696 9 months ago
@Countrygent100 Is it better to admit you are wrong or hold a belief you know is false?
Is it better to accept every idea you hear or measure their validity for yourself?
Is it right to deny gravity exists because scientists do not yet know what causes it?
Your ideas are extremely unreasonable and can be turned on their heads by almost anyone.
MunkyDrag0n 9 months ago
dear anticitzen x!
Have you ever heard about that shells found on mount everest.
kovako01 10 months ago
@kovako01 Have you ever heard of plate tectonics?
tyflyer007 10 months ago
@kovako01 Dear kovako01, ever hear of Orogeny and Turbidity Currents?
NorthForkFisherman 10 months ago
@kovako01 have you heard about plate tectonics? Everest used to be ocean floor before the Indian plate collided with the Eurasian plate. No magical sky entity needed.
TheHomelessCripple 9 months ago
what a great video! funny as well as intelligent .
atheistfromaustria 10 months ago
Remember the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. God placed two choices -- the tree of knowledge and the tree of life. The tree of knowledge represents the mind and the tree of life represents the heart. How do you want to experience God? -- with the mind or with the heart? God wants us to experience Him with the heart -- where you spirit resides -- for the mind distorts everything. The physical is an illusion. The invisible things of God are more real for they are everlasting.
wooki53 10 months ago
@wooki53
Read Exodus 21:20-21 and tell me what that represents.
AntiCitizenX 10 months ago 2
@AntiCitizenX God in this verse is setting up protection for slaves or servants. A practive the ancient Israelites probably learned from the Egyptians. Slavery as practiced by the ancient Israelites was somewhat different -- people usually sold themselves as servants to paid a debt, people were not kidnapped (read Exodus 21:16 The practice of slave trading was also condemed in the N. T. 1 thimothy 1:8-10) the servitude only lasted for a number of years.
wooki53 10 months ago
@wooki53
"PROTECTION FOR SLAVES???"
Wooki, that verse is giving slave-owners a free license to BEAT THEIR SLAVES! Look at yourself. You're actually defending this. What kind of sick, twisted person are you?
AntiCitizenX 10 months ago 4
@AntiCitizenX Better Question: If Bible laws make it OK, why not legalize slavery?
InternetDarkLord 10 months ago
@wooki53 If he exists, I want to experience him with my mind. That's where the knowledge is.
PluralOfEverything 9 months ago
I shall rebunk thsi video!
In that time, mountains had never took their 1st steroid shot.
Noah was Chuck Norris.
KThxBai
Adamdre 10 months ago
What is reality but an illusion. What is a rock but an illusion. What is language the tool that creates the illusion. Are you going to let language and senseless questions keep you from experiencing unconditional love?
wooki53 10 months ago
@wooki53 Are you Zen?
InternetDarkLord 10 months ago
@wooki53 "Stop thinking and believe what makes you feel good." That would be an idiotic thing to do. Only a complete dumbass would do that.
PluralOfEverything 9 months ago
it should read ... Reality 1 - Spiritual pipe dream 0
Nautypaw 10 months ago
Why do you limit God? -- a being who is infinite, to whom nothing is impossible. According to the Bible the Pacific and Atlantic oceans where not in existence before the flood -- this to me proves the validity of the Biblical flood. Think about it.
wooki53 10 months ago
@wooki53
The Bible also says that the Earth is like a giant snow globe floating in a vast, cosmic ocean. Do you also believe this? There are many references to the "firmament," which is describing a hard, glass dome that is supposed to be the sky. The "abyss" and the "deep" are also references to the notion that outer space is full of water. It is not a question of limiting God. It is a question of demonstrably inaccurate claims made within the Bible.
AntiCitizenX 10 months ago
@AntiCitizenX your a idiot in so many levels ,
metubegirl69er 10 months ago
@metubegirl69er Ad hominems and an opinion based on what, exactly? Apparently nothing. Therefore, dismissed just as fast. Next time, bring some evidence and a clue. See, I've got 9 trillion cu meters of NaCl that says the Noah story is just that. A story.
NorthForkFisherman 10 months ago 2
Wookie53- Your inept god limits himself. If there was evil in the world, drowning babies and fuzzy kittens to get rid of this evil was far from an elegant solution. Of course, none of this would have been necessary at all had this god paid more attention in design school.
rjohn19 10 months ago
@wooki53 But what about the question, "Can god create a rock so heavy that even he can not lift it?"
charkopolis 10 months ago
@charkopolis Any size rock God Yahweh creates, He can lift.
ironman197268 10 months ago
@ironman197268 so i guess she cant create everything, if she can not create something even she cannot lift... mm food for thought ^^
Nautypaw 10 months ago
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@Nautypaw "so i guess she cant create everything, if she can not create something even she cannot lift"
I said no such thing. Sorry I don't fall for that stupid little trick question. Try harder!
ironman197268 10 months ago
@Nautypaw Only to demonstrate that any creation God must have a limit.
charkopolis 10 months ago
@wooki53 idiot..genesis says that god floated across the water..b4 anything was created..so the bible says there was water b4 anything..get ur facts straight u fool.
hyams1 10 months ago
@ironman197268 I fyeigured i'd give you something to read. it's easier than telling you to go pick up a college level textbook or two. i'm going to assume from your response you didn't read any of it. you can lead a horse to water
jirris 10 months ago
great video.:):) arguing against religion is like pissing into the wind.....whilst wearing shorts....
hyams1 10 months ago
You remind me of a computer that's about 15 years old that still works, but it's got old software that really needs some updates.
ironman197268 10 months ago
The two biggest issues I have with noahs ark is that in in gen 6:19 it talks about two of each animal but if you scroll a little bit further to 7:1 it talks about 7 pairs of every kind of clean animal..so it does not matter if it is kind vs species..it is still a hell of a lot of animals..also for god being so perfect...why is he filled with regret to the point of wiping everyone out including baby's who have yet to speak let alone act out abominations
MsSquarebearz 10 months ago
@MsSquarebearz Right on the money. A flood is a total kludge. Why destroy those who have not sinned, or cannot sin (plants and animals)? Yawhe could smoke Sodom and Gomorrah? First born of Egypt? No prob. What, was Jehova waiting to level up? ACHEIVEMENT UNLOCKED: "GLOBAL DEATH MURDER BLAST!!!" (cue ominus theme music). It's total bullshit and I still am amazed that there are people who actually believe this nonsense.
NorthForkFisherman 10 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman LMAO I could not have put it better!! I always just saw the story as god hitting the Ctrl, Alt, Delete button on humanity....only to start us off with more incest (second time in the first book of the bible). Your version is much more mentally satisfying to picture :)
MsSquarebearz 10 months ago
@MsSquarebearz Especially with the theme music? (Star Wars Imperial March?)
NorthForkFisherman 10 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman hahah well god is like darthvader..skulking around scaring the shit out of people, killing people needlessly, and try's to convince those he hurts that he's their father! I think the Imperial March would be most fitting LMAO
MsSquarebearz 10 months ago 2
@MsSquarebearz Thanks. Though when looking at the followers of the various monotheisms, you know what comes to mind? The Benny Hill chase theme. Yes, you're hearing it now. (I'm terrible like that). On a more serious note, I'd like you to critique my work and line of thought so far in dealing with ironman. I'll admit I've gotten a bit more rough in my presentation, but I've totally lost respect for his ability to argue a point. Can you see anything that I could make more clear?
NorthForkFisherman 10 months ago
3:27 First you'll have to read what the Bible says. Ten times it says ''take the kinds'', NOT THE SPECIES!!! And the kinds have the genes to make new species very quick. See what the dog-breeders have done with the Chihuahua.
So why do you believe a stupid theory, which is never been proven right, before The Bible, which is never been proven wrong!!! It's probably because your lifestyle, isn't it? You could better give your short life to God, because you will be longer dead than you have lived.
daan6843zt 10 months ago
@daan6843zt
So basically, you're suggesting a form of hyper-evolution based on lots of inbreeding after the flood. Is that really where you want to go with this?
AntiCitizenX 10 months ago 3
@daan6843zt So the bible says "take the kinds", what is a "kind"? Since the bible doesn't reference how to distinguish between different kinds of animals. I'll be surprised to see what sort of claptrap you come up with. By the by, all species have the genes to make new species. Genetics is not on your side in this case. So why do you believe in such an obvious fairytale? The bible has been proven wrong on many occasions. Buddy, life is short, don't waste it in silly little superstitions.
charkopolis 10 months ago
@daan6843zt You mean that whole striped goats thing is factual? Well sakes alive, call Stockholm and get this boy a Nobel Prize for just thowing away all genetics and molecular biology with a bullshit bible story. /sarcasm. To be serious now, did you actually read what you wrote, or are you going to say that you left your workstation unlocked and someone else posted this to make you look silly? Because if the former is true, you've obviously not thought the whole thing out. Brains = thinking?
NorthForkFisherman 10 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman So, ice cubes wont melt if you drop them in boiling water? Oh I know the further down you go the hotter it gets. You're starting to do what you guys do best, keep on trying to flatter yourself when you're the one that's failing. When did the last ice age happen?
ironman197268 10 months ago