President Obama and Dick Cheney Debate over terrorism!

[JustinBiebsFan14]

i believe that dogs have rights!!! this is just cruel!!!

[sciencemunk]

aight you just lost me. Dick Cheney is one of the worst things that ever happened to this country. Damn Bush did not keep us safe for no 8 years 911 happened under Bush and Cheney maybe you meant 6 years or something like that. not for obama. but Bush and Cheney are the worst thing that's ever happened you're buggin on that one

[BABABABA5555]

JediWill,

I would disagree with you a bit on this video. There is definitely two sides to the terrorist issue, if not many more.

The term blowback comes to mind. The US trained Osama, sold WMDs to Saddam, and helped overthrow the democratically elected leader of Iran to reinstate the shah, which helped spur the Iranian revolution.

If you go blast the shit out of a village and kill a bunch of civilians, you just created a wad of enemies, no matter if you managed to kill a few terrorists.

[BABABABA5555]

And to second that, you said a very true statement that the government was using those tools we gave them to "battle terror" and turning them against american people.

Fear mongering is an EXCELLENT way for the government to gain more power and control.

I do not deny that there are crazy islamists out there, but constantly giving up our own freedoms to our own rulers may be an even bigger threat, especially when actions of our rulers in the past are what helped create the enemies to beginwith.

[xaviermorris]

dude,please let me know how i can inform myself on these political issues as much as you

[Infantry9]

Good video. I'm glad to see you're back.

[imbubba56]

Glad to see you back Will! Thanks for your posts.

[mrvulcan2]

Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh DID critisize their own sides. I have heard it.

[mrvulcan2]

Welcome back, Your a great american

[brotherscoobs]

good to see ya back ! good video...

i have heard rush blast bush on many points...hannity? well i haven't listened to him all that much...check out mark levin...he's not afraid to blast a republican if he/she's wrong

[Fallstorm777]

Likewise I think higher education should be free like it is in the U.K. with the caveat that you get one free chance to go get it, but if you go and party and flunk out you are on your own from that point forward. So, I can get with the Libertarian ideal of the government staying out of the public's affairs as far as morality is concerned, and I agree people should band together on that, but I can't support this ideal from an economic standpoint. Too much is at stake. Companies are too corrupt.

[scorpiooooooh]

Corruption is destroying our nation. Politics, banks, wall st., the MIC, pharmaceuticals, healthcare, entitlement programs, they are all destroying our country. And to divert attention from solving the problem, just like the vid here about BO and Cheny, they do nothing but collect their checks and point fingers.

[Fallstorm777]

I will totally agree with you that there is a lot of finger pointing in Washington and both the Democrats and Republicans are beholden to corporate entities rather than the welfare of the people. I think the Republicans are take it to a whole other level over the democrats but the lesser of two evils is still an evil so speak. What we need is to do away with the 2 party system and have publically financed campaigns out of a tax pool rather than corporate/private political backers.

[Fallstorm777]

The first thing I worry about isn't my health, but rather what kind of B.S. my insurance plan BCBS will try to pull when they see the claim. I don't like the fact that my mother, who has always held a job and paid taxes could feasibly retire, but keeps working because a job is how most people retain health benefits. I'm all for an Optional public health system like exist in Canada, France, & the U.K (note none of these countries are dictatorships & they rate above us in healthcare efficiency.

[scorpiooooooh]

Fall.. I agree with you that our healthcare system needs some serious reforms. But people do not get free health care in the UK and Canada etc. it is state run and paid for with taxes.We cannot afford any more taxes. I find it funny as hell (not haha funny) that the Revolutionary War began over taxes, and look at us now.

The USA gives away OUR money to other nations, pays for all sorts of social services for illegal immigrants..I could go on but there is not enough room or time in a day.

[Fallstorm777]

The total of our economy given to foreign "aid" is approximately 1/10th of 1% of our total GDP. We don't have better services in this country not because of illegal immigrants or our "aid" to foreign governments but corporate greed/corruption plain and simple. As regards taxes and healthcare the amount of taxes it would cost to have public health policy would equal no more than what comes out of my paycheck to carry benefits now the only difference is I woudn't have to deal with insurance.

[Infantry9]

Actually government taking over healthcare would do more than just raise taxes and replace insurance. It would result in delayed healthcare for some patients. Canada actually has issues involving waiting periods for treatments for conditions that get worse as patients are forced to wait for the treatment to finally come. We need a more open and competitive healthcare system while government healthcare is only suppose to be a safety net for those in dire need that can't get private coverage.

[Fallstorm777]

Canada ranks 30th in Healthcare, the U.S. ranks 37th in Healthcare but No. 1 in cost. France & Italy rank No. 1 & 2 respectively w/ other Euro countries & Japan staying near the top in healthcare quality. The Neo-Cons might have a few Conservative think tanks that disagree with the W.H.O, but hey some groups believe in Big Foot too. I've seen what a free for all has done for healthcare so far & it sickens me, but I'm suppose to trust healthcare to do the right thing with even less laws. Please.

[Infantry9]

Fallstorm, I've read complaints from both American and Canadian patients about the issues involving government-run healthcare who posted their complaints on the Patients United site. Government can really screw up US healthcare if it completely takes over especially since patients would have no choice in treatments or doctors. I'd rather that the government grant more people the capability of getting their own healthcare through job and economic growth and reforms that don't expand itself.

[Infantry9]

Also, I know that free market healthcare has its issues and could use reform but government-run healthcare can be worse. Corruption and greed are problems but corruption can also exist in government-run programs as well as just plain incompetence. I feel safer under this current system since government can do way more damage than any private company since government has more power to misuse and even abuse.

[Fallstorm777]

For every complaint you have on a Patients United website there are dozens of other websites talking about the fallacy of the American "free market" healthcare system. Likewise the W.H.O. ranking speaks for itself. The U.S is low in quality but high in cost and other nations including Canada exceed us in this area. Also, as regards your remark abour the government doing more damage than private industry I whole-heartedly disagree. If you want to do a comparison of the U.S government in ..Cont

[Fallstorm777]

terms of human rights compared to private industry I will take that challenge any day. Just look at the history of U.S. labor. The reason we don't have child labor laws anymore, we some days off, lunchbreaks and essentially no slavery is because of the U.S. Government not because private industry just woke up one day and said, "Hey. let's stop using kids to go down into the coal mines for us." I will take the gov't vs a private sector with no controls any day.

[Infantry9]

I'm not talking about getting rid of every regulation out there and government has abused and misused its power in the past. Just look at every eminent domain abuse case. Local governments have tried to seize property outside of the limits of eminent domain and the federal government just sits on its hands while it happens. Also, just because a government one day does alright doesn't mean it will be no different the next year. Government can become very corrupt or become very incompetent.

[Infantry9]

Also, you can just look at the recent bailouts to see government misusing its power. Government isn't suppose to be a shareholder and all the bailouts have done was give government more power. Just look how the bailout for GM worked. Government acquired more power and spent billions of taxpayer money and the company still went bankrupt.

[Fallstorm777]

The Govt isn't an angel it is just more good than private industry. You talk about eminent domain abuse compared to the conditions workers faced in say the 1920-30s before Gov't stepped in and regulated them. Hell, just look at how private industry treats their workers in 3rd world countries. Yeah, I don't like the gov't bailing out private industry but one of the reasons all these bailouts came about was because of the deregulation that existed previously in private industry..Cont

[Fallstorm777]

You had a real estate industry that new the practices it was engaging in would go belly up but them & the bankds craved immediate profit at the expense of the economy..why because of no regulation. The various companys like Worldcom, Enron, etc that snatched their workers nest eggs. Segregation was ended because of the Feds not because private industry & the stsates had a change of heart. So, yeah both Gov't & priv. Industry can be corrupt but if I had to go with 1 I would chose the gov't.

[Infantry9]

It wasn't just the real estate industries and the banks but also the govt. sponsored institutions Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae which encouraged sub-prime mortgages by buying as many of them as they could. Some politicians like McCain tried to push for better regulation on Freddie & Fannie to help prevent economic meltdown but the proposed legislation was shot down. Had the legislation passed, the economic problems we have today would not be so bad.

[Fallstorm777]

The fault by and large rests in the private sector. Some gov't sponsored institutions were involved. It should be noted those sponsored groups had some lax laws on what they were allowed to do with their monies. Gov't control over private industry including healthcare can result in nothing but decreased corruption & more equitable access to said service, which is not to say corruption won't exist I just I trust the gov't more than private industry & I think history supports that hypothesis.

[Fallstorm777]

..safe working conditions and laws against child labor isn't because of the kindness of the companies, because American companies still abuse their workers today in the 3rd world countries they operate in. Rather, the reason we don't have to worry about it as much her is because Federal Government stepped in and brought some rules to the corporations. Furhtermore, I don't like the fact that everytime I as a hardworkign American, who has never drawn unemployment, etc has to go to the doctor CONT

[Fallstorm777]

Secondly, I'm not a Democrat but I'm not some uber Conservative Libertarian either. Yeah, I agree we need to band together for our rights but I don't think if we stripped away all the rules regarding say practices that corporations can do it will be a good thing for the American people and anybody who has done even a visceral study of U.S. Labor Practices will see that. I mean the only reason American workers get lunch breaks, a weekend/2 days off a week, and vacations plus fairly CONT

[Fallstorm777]

Barack isn't throwing national security under the bus to kill the Republican party. All the president is doing is restoring the rule of law that existed before this new breed of Republican the Neo-Cons came into power and felt that it was okay to have America become a theocracy, felt it was okay to wiretap U.S Citizens,etc and anybody who voiced any modicum of dissent (which I thought was an American privilige) was labeled as unpatriotic or a terrorist sympathizer. Furthermore..CONT

[Fallstorm777]

Obama has taken a stance on terrorism his stance is that some American Policies incite terrorism. I think anyone who has an understanding U.S. history in the Middle East could see that. To go with Dick and say the only thing to do is keep killing without regard to the underlying problem is like giving someone with stomach cancer an antacid tablet yeah, it might help with the nausea but it doesn't address the underlying issue contributing to the greater problem.

[jediwill1974two]

You have a good point, but what the former VP is saying is that once they have been established as terrorists it is full hardy to expect that they will just give and go away because you are being nice to them like BO wants to do. If you find you have an enemy and you don't take care of them now you will have to deal with an even more powerful enemy later that is something BO doesn't understand.

[Fallstorm777]

The president isn't advocating "being nice" to terrorist. He is advocating following the rules that the United States and the rest of the civilized world agreed to via the Geneva Convention and which the United States Supreme Court also stated we should follow. I don't expect a hardened terrorist to stop being a terrorist, but you can via diplomacy and policy changes cut down on the amount of recruits a hardened terrorist gets that turn into more hardened terrorist later.

[scorpiooooooh]

Fallstorm777.. The president, BO, is throwing national security under the bus to kill the Republican party. The Republicans AND the Democrats are BOTH doing our country a disservice. They are more interested in retaining political power and far less concerned for the common good of the American people or our global image. BO is no better than Cheny Bush, Rumsfeld, he just talks a better game. We need to drop polarized ideologies and become a united America again. If we don't, Rut Ro Rorge.

[smowkdaddy]

They should have killed them on the spot! That way there would be no gtmo or lib appeasement.controvercy! Exelllent point!

[Fallstorm777]

Since when is such things as habeas corpus, following the rules of the Geneva Convention (which a Conservative leaning Supreme Court ruled Bush had to do) become Un-American? I thought free speech, right to trial, being fair, etc was America's values. Perhaps, people like yourself who view such stuff as "lib appeasement" should move somewhere where people are shot on the spot, and people of faith rule (like the reli. right wants to do in this Country), etc. Might I suggest Saudi Arabia.

[jediwill1974two]

I'm sorry but this point is not valid. You don't try people like sheik khalid mohammad. You kill them. Period. This man would not hesitate to torture rape and kill the people you love. We need to stop making excuses for evil and just deal with it head on and smash it until it doesn't have anything left to thrive on.

[Fallstorm777]

Just because the "bad guys" don't play by the rules doesn't mean the U.S. disregards the rules of law that is what separates us and our allies from "the bad guys". This is why the U.S. has rules against torture even when our enemies torture. Your point that the U.S. should abandon the rule of law because Country X is breaking the law is what is not valid even by most conservative standards and certainly not valid by any Judicial standard. I'm sorry jediwill you sound more like sithiwill :)

[scorpiooooooh]

Fallstorm777..Lets play a game.

You arrive home from work one day to find the heads of all of your children laying on the floor in your kitchen. A note is on the fridge saying " We have your wife and are looking for your brothers and sisters, and their families too. We do not want money, we just want to kill you by the way, there is a video tape in the VCR of us raping your little girls just before we cut their heads off." On the tape you see 7 men wearing masks yelling Allah Akbar . Cont...

[scorpiooooooh]

Cont....

While the men defile your little girls screaming allah akbar, the girls beg and plead for mercy, they rape your kaffar wife for good measure too.

Three of the men are so exhausted from jihad, they remove their masks and you get a clear image of their faces.

You are on the way to the police and spot one of the jihadists. you capture him.

Now what? What are you willing to do to save the rest of your family and avenge the deaths of your innocent children?

[Fallstorm777]

Ah, this a derivitive of the fallacious ticking time bomb argument conservatives repeatedly use and has easily been rebutted against time and time again. Nevertheless, for this particular scenario I will ignore all htat and address your scenario.

1. You are trying to appeal to me on an emotional level via using family, etc. strategy and warfare should be based on calculation and reasoning not emotion.

Continued Next Post

[Fallstorm777]

2. Yes, understandably I as the victim would want to hurt those responsible for committing crimes against me, which is why the law doesn't allow me to be the judge but a third party of my peers and a judicial representative. Military tribunals work a differently but the premise is ultimately the same the individual wronged isn't the one trying the crime. Again, I fail to see how your scenario is applicable to the United States having to obey the rule of law, which thankfully CONT

[Fallstorm777]

even a Conservative leaning Supreme Court stated they had to do (but if the Bush Admin has any sense of judiciousness the U.S Supreme Court wouldn't have had to step in in the first place.

3. Traditional interrogation methods like those used by FBI interrogator Ali Soufan is what lead to the capture of Khalid Sheik Mohammad and derived more information from him than the waterboarding and other illicit tactics used by the private contractors hired by Bush/Cheney. In fact, in CONT

[Fallstorm777]

Ali Soufan stated in testimony before congress that the aggressive interrogation methods used by Bush and Co. often hindered the interrogation and made the FBI have to work harder to obtain the pertinent info that they did. As Ali Soufan stated tradition interro tactics aren't about being nice it is about outsmarting your captive to get info from him. If you torture somebody enough they'll admit to being behind the French Revolution to get you to stop but that don't make it true.

[scorpiooooooh]

Fallstorm.... You did not actually answer the question. :^)~

Anyway, people are not all like Mr Spock. Unless everyone has a lobotomy, emotions will play a role in every decision people make whether conciously or unconciously.

But I digress, The ticking time bomb scenerio is real whether you are a Repub or a Dem. Party does not change the fact that bombs must be difused. And make no mistake, there are ticking bombs (real and metaphorically) all over the world that must be dealt with.

[Fallstorm777]

I did answer the question. I would want to hurt those involved in the crime but the law is in place to prevent vigilantism as that is not in the best interest of anyone.

Emotions will play a role in public policy but laws are there to try to minimize the impact of emotions in public policy. Emotive policies don't make good policies. Yeah, I don't think eveyone should be Mr. Spock but I don't think everyone should be Frank Castle either :)

[volcombmth]

ya glen beck is good =]

[JSharmaine]

Cheney ran the office anyway. Not Bush.

I don't think they were real conservatives either, but I think Cheney was right on this one.

[iLuvAkeys4ever]

All presidents have speech writers and all president read of promter so that they don't make mistakes duh why is that such a problem. you would rather watch the most powerful man in the world recite a long speech and get it wrong. jesus he makes speeches nearly everyday what you are asking is unreasonable.

[albundyphd]

Tweener is going to have both sides after his sorry ass at some point.

[Quantanthead]

By the way...I heard Rush speaking against the Republicans once again today. You may want to keep him tuned in a little longer before you get mad at him

[jediwill1974two]

He was speaking against moderate republicans who have realized that the train is off the tracks and they need a new direction. Limbaugh wants it to stay the stale and stagnant. If the repubs don't learn to evolve they are doomed for years to come. Why do you think the BO admin. went out of their way to make Limbaugh the head of the party? Dems know that Limbaugh is political death and they are trying to kill the GOP for good and if the GOP listens to RL they are goners!

[Quantanthead]

If Rush is so irrelevant to the Demonicrats I don't think they'd spend so much time trying to get him off the air. They wouldn't try so hard to assasinate his character as they do. If they don't conquer Rush it will be their own political demise...of course that's not a given due to the robots and lemmings that have clearly become attached to Obama and his telepromter.

[Quantanthead]

I also think the problem is that the Republicans many times have evolved. They've evolved into looking and sounding more like Democrats. Back in 1994 when they took over Congress you had many names that stood out and were familiar. Now, I can't think of but one or two Republican Congressman at all. They are not doing anything to differentiate themselves from the Demonicrats.

[Quantanthead]

I still think Barry could use GITMO detainees to help revitalize ACORN prior to the next election. Just think, they'd chop your head off if you didn't register as a Democrat. Now that's change we can use. On the other side of things...I don't think Cheney is as evil as you make him out to be.

[jediwill1974two]

lol

[volcombmth]

nice to see you back man. you didnt say Glen Beck but i think he has said republicans have done wrong.

[jediwill1974two]

Glenn Beck and Dennis Miller are definitely more even handed.

[albundyphd]

Michael Savage didn't sell us out like other talk show hosts have.

[JSharmaine]

Did you hear, he got banned in England. WTF!?

[JSharmaine]

Yes I agree.

[JSharmaine]

Glenn Beck criticizes the Reps all of the time. Will is right. He is more even handed. Glenn is probably the most real one in conservative talk radio. He's all about right and wrong, not left vs. right. That's why I'm a big fan.

[volcombmth]

ya i know thats what i said i wasnt sure if you where trying to say no your wrong to me or something lol. Glenn beck is pretty even handed thats why i watch him too lol

[JSharmaine]

My friends/family consider me a Glennbeckaholic. lol I have his books, I listen to his program, watch his TV show, I follow him on Twitter.... LOL

[stooben1]

Agree with you on Obama. I'm not sure which political enemies the Bush Administration used their intelligence against. If they did, they didn't do a very good job of it.

My name for Obama is "Communist in a propellor hat."

[jediwill1974two]

The Bush machine was very well coordinated. They had Limbaugh, Hannity, and Liddy for hours a day clobbering any one who didn't agree with them as "unpatriotic" It was a shame and no clear thinking american who loves and respects our bill of rights can support such heinous tactics. I'm sorry there is NO defending the Bush Admin.

[stooben1]

Obviously, you didn't listen to Limbaugh much. There were many times he took the Bush administration to task over their centrism. And, wanting your country to lose a war, as the nattering nabobs of the left did (and do), IS unpatriotic.

Obviously, there was no concerted effort between Limbaugh, Hannity, Liddy, and the Bush administration. A ridiculous assertion.

[osidehooligan]

Dead on as usual Will. And you're totally right about Obama being candidate Obama more than president Obama. All the guy has to do is spew his BS and the dummies will follow.

[aggies436]

wow this guy is a freeloading koolaid drinking nigger!

[scorpiooooooh]

aggiees... What the hell is wrong with you? Obviously you have an opinion about this video, but what I would like to know is why do you insist on expressing it like a low class piece of $#!t. Perhaps you are stupid or mentally retarded and it is impossible for you to put t together a coherent thought that reflects some sort of intelligence. So the question is... Are you stupid, ignorant, low class, retarded or just a bigot without a cause? Maybe it's all of the above.

[jediwill1974two]

And this guy supports a "nigger" lol You Obama worshipers need to wake the F' up!

[RussBearie]

You made sense up to the 5:00 mark. Then your brain froze. Evidence for using the anti-terror tools agains US citizens?  Sorry. Not there.

Split the vid at 5:00, throw the rest in the junk heap.

Thanks.

[albundyphd]

I gotta agree with RussBearie, what's with the nonsense blather attack against Cheney? You got that 100% wrong Will.

[jediwill1974two]

Cheney is the reason we have the inbetweener now. The Bush/Cheney Admin never governed like conservatives they were robber barons plan and simple.

[jediwill1974two]

Why can't you bushies get it? Bush and Cheney destroyed your party for their own personal gain! They are NOT conservatives. Wake up!

[albundyphd]

I agree about Bush, he was NOT a conservative, but you are wrong about Cheney...and as this continues with him being the primary force to directly confront the messiah while others hide in fear you may change your mind. Cheney is a genius like Rove. The left thought Bush was an idiot. They hated him, but never feared him. The left fears Cheney and Rove and with good reason. They are intellectual GIANTS.

[control202]

I actually enjoyed this! One thing Dick Cheney didnt speak in response to Obama's speech. Cheney scheduled this I believe last week, the white house made a point within the last 48 hours to speak before Cheney had a chance to. Seems like Obama is picking a fight. Otherwise, you maded alot of damn good points. Enjoy the rest of your day off.

[brecfhelt]

It's too bad more people don't get it like you do. Great insights, and keep up your voice. Good work!!!

2:27 - RIGHT ON, man!!!

3:56 - Thank you!!

5:50 - Ab'dula who?

6:15 - Great insight - Candidate Obama

[Strongtuit]

MSNBC isn't swaying anyone. They preach hate & are the most divisive lib biased network on televison today.

They don't 'tolerate' any opinion other than a Hussein loving brown shirt fascist opinion.

The lib biased MSNBC wouldn't know what truth is since most of them think being patriotic is burning our flag, condemning America when visiting their lovely communist countries, & appeasing & supporting our enemies.

If its good for America lib's oppose it. If its bad for America Libs love it.