The 'Venus Trap' is George Warren Pughe's Card Control. Orbitbrown should stop renaming old effects and claiming he invented them. It can be found in the March, 1949 issue of Linking Ring on page 58
Awesome find and awesome performance. I did some digging in case you are interested. This trick is from the March, 1949 issue of The Linking Ring on page 59. It's really just one application of George Warren Pughe's card control which is found on page 58.
@daboulkioutaw their the racer back i believe. you can buy 12 of them on ebay for 30 bucks by pokerstud52. not promoting. just saying if you like them that much. and its a GREAT deal
this is a great video, i know how to do it (not from this perfomance) from some rubbish ones on youtube :) i might upload a vid soon and post as a responce :)
@AutoTechHector LOL nooo plez start think xD loooool why do you think he do a DD -.- look at the name The Venus Trap!!!! retard -.- not the DD trap -.- it is 1 card and i know how hw do it but i cant do it in public and it is not DD lift -.- omg stupid noob
@AutoTechHector You fuckin idiot!! how can you say you know how to do it but you can't do it in public..either you know or you don't know. You fuckin NOOB shut your trap!!
even though people know how to do it ...actually try it to people now on the street where the angles are much harder and everything is key. you gotta practice lots of times to get every angle right!!!!
It is an absolutely fantastic and versatile move. Everybody who thinks that they have figured it out without buying it is wrong. Chris Brown goes into detail and enables you to unlock the moves full potential. I have found many, many uses for the sleight in my magic. Buy it. (Orbit control is great as well) and i can't wait for the orbinase change.
you have told a bunch of people say they know how to do it and you said do it in public well i did i went out and got a random person to watch and they were amazed
Ugh, srsly ppl no one cares if you know how to do it. If you bought it and learned ot from the dvd, great. If you didnt and started bragging that you are so pro, well screw you.
I can do it, i think, my friend taught me, but i suc really bad, i tend to show them the card really high and you can a lot of stuff couse sometimes i do the trick a wierd anglige Tip (don\t do it from behind)
even if you did figure how to do it still buy it because you get the proper handling, its not even that much and i see alot of people on youtube not using the right handling. On other comments doing this in front of people is hard, people will catch you out if you learn this off youtube
Since its in slow motion you can see for just an instant that he picked up the top 2 cards the second time around..its a good lil trick..actually a lot of card tricks i know have that palmed-top-two cards thing in there somewhere
ehhhhm it's chris brown who performed it.... who created this move and actually he did it perfectly. I don t think you gonna find someone who performs it better :P
@halokid112345. it's not a double lift. if u noticed at the beggining he flicks it showing it's a single card. watch the Venus Trap tutorial and u will see how this was done.
He's right. It's not that hard to figure it, but as Dan & Dave said, when they were shooting for Timewarp - "You'll see the secrets, but good luck going out and doing it tomorrow for your friends", so..
@maulaqe i know for sure that you have to watch this video 100 times before you know how its done. and thats sad. just buy it. i also know for sure NO ONE will perform this as fantasic as chris without watching his explanation thats detailed until the last second. you'd look like those 11 year old kids who give discusting explantions that make me want to punch a baby
@spikeboy101 i'll admit I've watched it about that much, yes details is important, but all i said to everyone is I figured out how it's done, I never said I could perform it, never said I could do it, never said I know every single small detail to it, I just know how it's done.
@TheConzArtist Well this is a move for situations for a skeptic person who you're performing to. IF you're doing the 'raising card effect' it need dl and theyll say wait, lemme see that card, well u cant, with this move you can and its very impressive...
@TheElvisBurger they would only need to say that if you're a bad performer and giving them reasons to doubt you. learn audience management and then you wont have that problem
audience management is 1 of the biggest and hardest things anybody will ever learn in performing card tricks! but there are some people who just really want to ruin the tricks mostly i do very well with all kinds of people :)
@TheElvisBurger Dealing with Hecklers and audience management is very different! And there are good books on both! But the only real way to be able to do both is to get out there and practise. BBQ parties, going on the street, in a restaurant, at school or work, these are all good places to practise both! My dad is a massive heckler so i am quite good at controlling them :p
@TheElvisBurger Like ring thing! lol but practising on strangers is best for audience management :) and thanks for the tip on the impromptu thing for the hecklers, i hadn't thought of doing another trick for them :)
your wrong he did not invent this move chris brown did and i know how to this move and the venus vanish and the one from the middle of the deck i got it from dave annd dan website
Chris i didnt direct that comment towards you.I dont get why he could even say that your like a god with a pack of cards.Those are just people who have nothing better to do with their lives than going around criticizing random people becuase thier jealous that they dont have great skills like you man...YOU ROCK!!!!
That's just so clever quotation. I liked it a lot when first read his book. And ever since trying to follow it every day. And another clever one by someone is "Who is a critic? Probably it's a person who says how he would do the same, only better. If he could.."
dude he invented the venus trap.He can perfomr cleaner then any one else.I dont see any of your videos with 15,000 views.Just stop hating bro its not cool....
maybe u figured it out... but if u dont buy it u will never get close to do it smooth and nice.... if u buy it chirs will teach u in detail and u will do it perfect with a little bit practice...
Haha it's quite fun how i really could'nt find any way this was possible. UNTILL you did the The venus trap preview to the tutorial. It seem untill now that the prewies to moves from DND is quite easy to figure out :D Awesome move BTW
So many angle problems...
bobthebuilderonlyhas 4 months ago
Damn good!
rwv777 5 months ago
Nice choice in music sir.
rivershade24 7 months ago
0:02
mrkentvlvn 7 months ago 2
dude you did that so smooth and good too man nice
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KelwinDicks666 10 months ago
That isn't double lift...
Atratonixqo 1 year ago
looks like a double lift in 00:10
okayplayer31 1 year ago
@okayplayer31 there are no double lifts in this video
joesimmons90 8 months ago
miserere?
jerrysmcnuggets 1 year ago
hey guys plz watch my little performance of it (youtube.com)/watch?v=pazeazRyOuo
danielmagics 1 year ago
Love these sleight of hand tricks, even if you knew the trick you couldn't see the change.
wopspee 1 year ago
no difficult...you only have to know how to perform a cardini change
Alessandro86marchi 1 year ago
Awesome find and awesome performance. I did some digging in case you are interested. This trick is from the March, 1949 issue of The Linking Ring on page 59. It's really just one application of George Warren Pughe's card control which is found on page 58.
ZhuangziZhou 1 year ago
what are the cards ur using plz ?
daboulkioutaw 1 year ago
@daboulkioutaw their the racer back i believe. you can buy 12 of them on ebay for 30 bucks by pokerstud52. not promoting. just saying if you like them that much. and its a GREAT deal
spikeboy101 1 year ago
this is a great video, i know how to do it (not from this perfomance) from some rubbish ones on youtube :) i might upload a vid soon and post as a responce :)
harrybob222 1 year ago
just use either cardini or ego change
Eisugly 1 year ago
0:10 you can see the 2 cards noobs
iMagicTheCards 1 year ago
@iMagicTheCards Theres no reason to double lift at the end of the trick lol
wopspee 1 year ago
@iMagicTheCards WHAT he dont have 2 card xD lol
Zronxziq 1 year ago
@Zronxziq Yea he do!!
AutoTechHector 1 year ago
@AutoTechHector LOL nooo plez start think xD loooool why do you think he do a DD -.- look at the name The Venus Trap!!!! retard -.- not the DD trap -.- it is 1 card and i know how hw do it but i cant do it in public and it is not DD lift -.- omg stupid noob
Zronxziq 1 year ago
@AutoTechHector You fuckin idiot!! how can you say you know how to do it but you can't do it in public..either you know or you don't know. You fuckin NOOB shut your trap!!
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this is so freaking absolutly amazing.. so smooth.. so great.. so perfect..
you are the master..
brilliant..
i am speechless.. just.. awsome...
when people say that they have figured it out.. fine.. but.. no doubt its worth buying.. just love the smoothness.. awsome... just awsome...
ESoN2205 1 year ago
this is so freaking absolutly amazing.. so smooth.. so great.. so perfect..
you are the master..
brilliant..
i am speechless.. just.. awsome...
when people say that they have figured it out.. fine.. but.. no doubt its worth buying.. just love the smoothness.. awsome... just awsome...
ESoN2205 1 year ago 7
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ESoN2205 1 year ago
even though people know how to do it ...actually try it to people now on the street where the angles are much harder and everything is key. you gotta practice lots of times to get every angle right!!!!
KnockoutMagic 1 year ago
It is an absolutely fantastic and versatile move. Everybody who thinks that they have figured it out without buying it is wrong. Chris Brown goes into detail and enables you to unlock the moves full potential. I have found many, many uses for the sleight in my magic. Buy it. (Orbit control is great as well) and i can't wait for the orbinase change.
MrCoolMagic24 1 year ago
you have told a bunch of people say they know how to do it and you said do it in public well i did i went out and got a random person to watch and they were amazed
TheCardman01 1 year ago
Doesnt matter if you figured it out or no! It would take a hell of a lot of practice to get it as smooth and to do it in public!!
kayvee91able 1 year ago
its easy to figure out he just takes 2 card at once
chriller13 1 year ago
@chriller13 no he doesnt, its only 1 card
RaDeYeZe 1 year ago
@chriller13 are you dumass or what??? he doesnt take cards at once
its a 1 for 1 switch... not a double lift
if it was a double lift it would be called venus double lift or something
....
TheGonzaloMagic 1 year ago
Ugh, srsly ppl no one cares if you know how to do it. If you bought it and learned ot from the dvd, great. If you didnt and started bragging that you are so pro, well screw you.
Xenomorph144 1 year ago
I can do it, i think, my friend taught me, but i suc really bad, i tend to show them the card really high and you can a lot of stuff couse sometimes i do the trick a wierd anglige Tip (don\t do it from behind)
TweeTwee56 1 year ago
This is probable going to sound like a silly question. But why is your wedding ring on your index finger? Or is that not a wedding ring.
Bahmut2 1 year ago
OMFG is that a double lift?
smatal 1 year ago
yo bahmut2, im your biggest fan!!!!
MrSockisFat 1 year ago
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Bahmut2 1 year ago
teach me!!~
igniz92 1 year ago
buttery
nipplelick06905 1 year ago
what is the name of the song?
TheGonzaloMagic 1 year ago
even if you did figure how to do it still buy it because you get the proper handling, its not even that much and i see alot of people on youtube not using the right handling. On other comments doing this in front of people is hard, people will catch you out if you learn this off youtube
Ashmagician 1 year ago
wow! at first it was really one card! nice, chris!
Masterxing12 1 year ago
its it a double lift or what?
reegg96 1 year ago
Wow. chris you make it seem so easy and clean pro.
619rko99 1 year ago
dude, this is one of the sweetest switches ever, Bought it actually the first day!
JzFlourisher 1 year ago
Since its in slow motion you can see for just an instant that he picked up the top 2 cards the second time around..its a good lil trick..actually a lot of card tricks i know have that palmed-top-two cards thing in there somewhere
chezzymacaroni 1 year ago
@chezzymacaroni its a card only
no palming
TheGonzaloMagic 1 year ago
hey.. what camera did u use??
Tsquaredable 1 year ago
ugghhh took me FOREVER but i figured it out just needs pracice
CARDSRuLUe 1 year ago
I saw how you did it ;). But i only saw it because my pc froze while i was watching it xD
AaronMorgan1995 1 year ago
i found it out
littleguymagic 1 year ago
its an awesome trick, but now that i know how to do it, its very obvious.
CardDude101 1 year ago
i looked at the card carefully and it only looks like one card there isn't an extra card it's just that single card
you performed the venus trap incredibly just need to find someone who perform it better than you if it's possible
Cardzer 1 year ago
ehhhhm it's chris brown who performed it.... who created this move and actually he did it perfectly. I don t think you gonna find someone who performs it better :P
greets
-Fabian-
3irdy 1 year ago
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guys! it's so easy! it is just a double lift!!!
halokid112345 1 year ago
Nope.
vampirekilla556 1 year ago
@halokid112345. it's not a double lift. if u noticed at the beggining he flicks it showing it's a single card. watch the Venus Trap tutorial and u will see how this was done.
XxMonayBagzxX 1 year ago
@halokid112345 Fail.
Bigodon 1 year ago
@halokid112345
lol its one card thats why its so good one card that makes the effect of a double lift
azzans 1 year ago
watch closer dude
thomasfituy 1 year ago
i found it out after one month in research
greatcardmagic 2 years ago
@greatcardmagic the song ?
ArmeeRose 2 years ago
I found it out the first time I saw it on Dan and Dave's website :P
ohsakman 2 years ago
Why would u waste a month of your life when u could just spend 8 dollars?
vampirekilla556 1 year ago
very cleaver,
just out of curiosity, whats the song ?
ArmeeRose 2 years ago
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Vannagh1991 2 years ago
if it's inspired by Kenners 4 for 4 switch... I think I figured it out :P real smooth though, Im gonna use it in my ACR routine :)
etmaaktniksuitnu 2 years ago
@etmaaktniksuitnu I already use it in ACR.Its doing an amazing job :)
KevosMagic 2 years ago
He's right. It's not that hard to figure it, but as Dan & Dave said, when they were shooting for Timewarp - "You'll see the secrets, but good luck going out and doing it tomorrow for your friends", so..
maxpanchoo 2 years ago
Lol, I've been using this change not even knowing it deserved it's own name.
MadaxeMunkeee 2 years ago
I love this move. But what is the music? I looked at all the comments but I don't see anyone who knows what it is.
Chris, maybe you could tell me?
DEFThands08 2 years ago
bought it 2 months ago 4 great apllications 4 great moves...but still not that smooth....i set one rule:always practise.....cris your awesome
codename014 2 years ago
i love how smooth your able to do it
aflamevs2005 2 years ago
If you haven't bought it yet, you should. And for those of you, who think you know how its done, you probably dont. Its a great buy, check it out
brandonwayne24 2 years ago
i know huh...even after i bought it and perform it it still amazed me when Chris showed it to me in person.
vampirekilla556 2 years ago
i honestly, did figure how to do it without buying it. i dont need to buy it.
maulaqe 2 years ago
do you mind telling me how to do it?
jsthilman 2 years ago
@maulaqe lol
you know how its done
you have know idea how to do it
ninggy369bhagwandin 1 year ago
@ninggy369bhagwandin hai you have know idea how to spell :). I can do it tooo.
maulaqe 1 year ago
@maulaqe i know for sure that you have to watch this video 100 times before you know how its done. and thats sad. just buy it. i also know for sure NO ONE will perform this as fantasic as chris without watching his explanation thats detailed until the last second. you'd look like those 11 year old kids who give discusting explantions that make me want to punch a baby
spikeboy101 1 year ago
@spikeboy101 i'll admit I've watched it about that much, yes details is important, but all i said to everyone is I figured out how it's done, I never said I could perform it, never said I could do it, never said I know every single small detail to it, I just know how it's done.
maulaqe 1 year ago
i like this video alottt. that quality is amazinngg
PurpleHaterade 2 years ago
figured it out =)
ProdigyOfMagic 2 years ago
k, now go do it in public.
Orbitbrown 2 years ago 51
haha
djpiftie 2 years ago
@Orbitbrown i would, but its not angle proof
TheConzArtist 1 year ago
@TheConzArtist Well this is a move for situations for a skeptic person who you're performing to. IF you're doing the 'raising card effect' it need dl and theyll say wait, lemme see that card, well u cant, with this move you can and its very impressive...
TheElvisBurger 1 year ago
@TheElvisBurger they would only need to say that if you're a bad performer and giving them reasons to doubt you. learn audience management and then you wont have that problem
joshgillespiewolf 9 months ago
@joshgillespiewolf, that is also very true!
audience management is 1 of the biggest and hardest things anybody will ever learn in performing card tricks! but there are some people who just really want to ruin the tricks mostly i do very well with all kinds of people :)
TheElvisBurger 9 months ago
@TheElvisBurger Dealing with Hecklers and audience management is very different! And there are good books on both! But the only real way to be able to do both is to get out there and practise. BBQ parties, going on the street, in a restaurant, at school or work, these are all good places to practise both! My dad is a massive heckler so i am quite good at controlling them :p
joshgillespiewolf 9 months ago
@joshgillespiewolf yes, practicing is the key! also by learning some improtu "never failing" tricks should help on the hecklers :)
TheElvisBurger 9 months ago
@TheElvisBurger Like ring thing! lol but practising on strangers is best for audience management :) and thanks for the tip on the impromptu thing for the hecklers, i hadn't thought of doing another trick for them :)
joshgillespiewolf 9 months ago
@joshgillespiewolf, yeah, no problemou! and have a good time to audience & yourself :)
TheElvisBurger 8 months ago
@Orbitbrown you cant do it to too many people though, its pretty angle sensitive :p
joshgillespiewolf 9 months ago
so.
henrycroston 2 years ago
@ProdigyOfMagic╭∩╮(︶︿︶)╭∩╮ for the haters
mrbreeze93 7 months ago
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saintsuro 2 years ago
dude just go and buy it.its worth it
vampirekilla556 2 years ago
Good Job!I always knew that there was something with the name ;-)
StreetMaster94 2 years ago
thats a double lift
hallett1711 2 years ago
@hallett1711 all singles sir.
Orbitbrown 2 years ago
brown whats gonna be ur next trick
133760d 2 years ago
shifting the tide for the world.
Orbitbrown 2 years ago 12
its gonna be another control transpo or what?
133760d 2 years ago
@Orbitbrown ha
bblock9 1 year ago
its not :)
sTyLeMOtHaFuCkA 2 years ago
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Magichunter321 2 years ago
i seen him one time in a magic shop in sanfransico the name of the magic shop is misdirection magic shop It was a year a go i seen him
tricksshomagic1 2 years ago
your wrong he did not invent this move chris brown did and i know how to this move and the venus vanish and the one from the middle of the deck i got it from dave annd dan website
tricksshomagic1 2 years ago
are you talking to me...yeah i know chris invented this trick...Im gonna ask him to show it tooo me in person when i see him oon staturday
vampirekilla556 2 years ago
even after i know the trick it still gets me every time
vampirekilla556 2 years ago
The card is not think hes just soo good he makes you hink that it is think with his madd skills
vampirekilla556 2 years ago
is this trick still downloadable on d&D website?
ttdragon126 2 years ago
yes
Orbitbrown 2 years ago
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you suck i see you holding a card up behhind the one your showing you suck
tricksshomagic1 2 years ago
"Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do." -Dale Carnegie
Orbitbrown 2 years ago
Chris i didnt direct that comment towards you.I dont get why he could even say that your like a god with a pack of cards.Those are just people who have nothing better to do with their lives than going around criticizing random people becuase thier jealous that they dont have great skills like you man...YOU ROCK!!!!
vampirekilla556 2 years ago
That's just so clever quotation. I liked it a lot when first read his book. And ever since trying to follow it every day. And another clever one by someone is "Who is a critic? Probably it's a person who says how he would do the same, only better. If he could.."
maxpanchoo 2 years ago
dude he invented the venus trap.He can perfomr cleaner then any one else.I dont see any of your videos with 15,000 views.Just stop hating bro its not cool....
vampirekilla556 2 years ago
From :05-:10 the trick was shown.
najifa7 2 years ago
why is the card so thick at 0:09
WrestlingEdits23 2 years ago
The card isn't thick
Magicdude42 2 years ago
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double lift
Striegher 2 years ago
nope not a double lift ...
kagayohosnow 2 years ago
it's not a duole lift idiots!
GhostMagicFromHeaven 2 years ago 11
it not a double lift ppl and whoa u do it so fast and so smooth i cant do it too fast i am still practicing!
VietnameezBoi 2 years ago 5
Everybody that say its double lift is not
a magician. They juz noob magician, pretending to be a pro magician. U guys juz fooling ur self at here....
Edsynz 2 years ago 11
IT's a substitute to the double lift, read the description....But you can clearly see that there are 2 cards there though... :)
alapunk13 2 years ago
Wrong.
byzzzdp 2 years ago
"his move was originally published in a 1949 issue of The Linking Ring by George Pughe entitled "Pughes substitute for the double lift."
"
read the description first my good man..
alapunk13 2 years ago
haha ok whatever :)
alapunk13 2 years ago
you obviously don't know what " substitute for the double lift " is do you?
alapunk13 2 years ago
Yh but you cant clearly see 2 cards?
byzzzdp 2 years ago
ohh excuse me for seeing it sir. :)
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vampirekilla556 2 years ago
what are the angles on this one ?
lahtovkristijan 2 years ago
Guess you figure it out then you now it ;) tipp: read description box!
crizzy777 2 years ago
I mean *know it! :) english's not my mother language
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You can see he holds 2 cards but good try.
ZeusOnWeed 2 years ago
its not a double lift.
pseven21 2 years ago 4
its not a double lift trust me i no the trick
arrow1archer 2 years ago 2
Wrong.
BurningAce66 2 years ago 2
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there is two cards when he shows the queen.. you can even see it
RachaelFly 2 years ago
RachaelFly, no 2 cards together can be less than 1mm thin
iwin5 2 years ago 2
hey i want to buy this dvd, is shipping free cause i cant find any information on shipping. I live in Australia
Jaymee1231 2 years ago
Its a download, no dvd required. :) GO GET IT!
Orbitbrown 2 years ago
whr to download it?
chungzheng 2 years ago
its in the description box.
Orbitbrown 2 years ago
wat deck do yu use have in this video
elmalkriao175 2 years ago
Vintage Racer backs.
Orbitbrown 2 years ago
I love this video.
Just perfect, the trick, qualiti, editing, scene and music.
Hell yea whats the son, couldnt find it in the comments :D
I'm deeply impressed. Great work mister brown!
- Fabian -
3irdy 2 years ago
song*
3irdy 2 years ago
what's the name of the song?
X11Silent11X 2 years ago
Great move chris. I dont kno y ppl say its a double lift when it aint because u state that its done with a single card. check out my venus trap chris
Hannersbay 2 years ago
AMAZING i figured it out but im not even close to smooth nice
JesusFreak532 2 years ago
doubled at second move 。 yeah!
famerca 2 years ago
nope :D. i figured it how he did it. it takes a bit.
HeyItzForrealz 2 years ago
maybe u figured it out... but if u dont buy it u will never get close to do it smooth and nice.... if u buy it chirs will teach u in detail and u will do it perfect with a little bit practice...
makubexjo 2 years ago 3
XD real smooth, but i can see how it works, but still that was tight
RXillusionist 2 years ago
i think i know u dont double lift the first time then u double lift the second thats all i can think of
dietolive333 2 years ago
both times that you see the cards, they are both singles. Buy the effect on the link in the description.
Orbitbrown 2 years ago
IM POOR!
IShltMyPants 2 years ago
what does the effect come with like a dvd or book gimmicks ?
richishard 2 years ago
Its an instant download, I teach this move in detail along with a few useful controls.
Orbitbrown 2 years ago
yea ok??! =)
lilcappinella 2 years ago
Haha it's quite fun how i really could'nt find any way this was possible. UNTILL you did the The venus trap preview to the tutorial. It seem untill now that the prewies to moves from DND is quite easy to figure out :D Awesome move BTW
DrfHono 2 years ago
Yeah, I know how microwaves work but I could never build one. ;)
Orbitbrown 2 years ago
Haha ;)
DrfHono 2 years ago
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GDillusions 2 years ago
Believe or not, I've invented-discovered this same move a while ago, and never knew anything about George Pughe also.
btw, your handling is flawless. Congrats.
CristianKirk 2 years ago
you picked up another card it was two of dem!
if u closely u can see!
lilcappinella 2 years ago
lol nah, 1 card.
Orbitbrown 2 years ago
riiiiiight
lilcappinella 2 years ago
oh boy.
Orbitbrown 2 years ago
He says its like a 4-for-4. That should tell you it isnt a dl.
UnknownMagician93 2 years ago
aww ok wateva that is.
lilcappinella 2 years ago
4-for-4 switch is by chris kenner. search youtueb and you will find it.
UnknownMagician93 2 years ago
ook
lilcappinella 2 years ago