Great to find this, I remember these photos from an old book my Grandad had, and have always been keen to find out a little more about this failed launch. Thanks to Google and YT I have the answers at last. Thanks for posting.
the rich guy who owns the ship: FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
I wonder is she would've survived had her portholes been shut. It's almost a shame that this didn't happen to the SS Eastland before she had a chance to kill anyone.
@2ndOfficerCHL i don't think so...the GZ was too reduced,the ship took a list beyond recovery,the open portholes only speed up the sinking...what happened to SS Eastland?
@annanoli She was an American ship that sank in 1915. She was built badly and spent 12 years of her life threatening to capsize until she finally did one day, at a dock on the Chicago River, as she was preparing to take people on a river cruise. 844 people drowned.
Before the sinking, she was sold to a new owner, and the previous owners posted a sarcastic newspaper ad offering a reward to anyone who could prove that she too top heavy to be sailing. Needless to say, no one took it seriously.
@2ndOfficerCHL top heavy liners were quite a common problem of the day. german IMPERATOR was always listing p & s. in some cases they har to cut off funnel tops. just imagine at the end of a crossing,with coal bunkers almost empty as well as DB's
@annanoli I recall they had to flood Imperator's double bottom with cement to get her to stay upright. Someone once calculated, I don't remember where, that if we still built modern passenger vessels using the same materials as 100 years ago, most of them couldn't take a 10-foot wave without rolling over.
Odd to think that those tall, fat ships we have nowadays handle so much better than the sleek-looking liners back then.
@2ndOfficerCHL well,i'm a tug captain...they handle so nicely thanks to their bow and stern thrusters..but with the wind abeam it's another story...i often push alongside ships like Costa Pacifica in Savona harbour in winter times and that's not so funny...
@tamenga88 To make things clear,the project engineer did not committed suicide. It was the sistership's Chief Engineer who shot himself during the sinking in 1927. This because he knew the situation of the port engine but he decided to sail anyhow
Il problema principale è che era troppo alta. quindi c'era troppo peso in alto. Per equilibrare avrebbero dovuto riempire i doppifondi con molta acqua,gravando però troppo sull'invasatura,o scivolo del varo.
In più mentre scendeva in acqua una parte dei sostegni si sono rotti,la nave si è inclinata e attraverso portellini aperti ha cominciato a far acqua. A quel punto tutti gli equilibri sono saltati,e non c'è stato niente da fare. Ho usato linguaggio non tecnico,parliamone se vuoi.
Please,don't give me that! Capt. Gulì remained on board and perished,Chief engineer shot himself..Salvage vessels didn't close up fearing boilers explosions. check my other video "ship sinks at sea 1927"
I also read up on the Principessa Mafalda, I guess she sank when the plates in the propeller guide well ruptured do to her poor condition. She had enough lifeboats for everyone, but the crew got drunk instead of helping the people get into the boats and off the ship. But I am probably babling on about stuff you know. This is my real question: Are there any pictures of the interior of the Principessa Jolanda or its sister the Mafalda? If so please send me the url, and thanks again! :-)
What a wonderful documentary you made, also may I ask the name of the song please? Thank you for posting this wonderful video, hope you make more on the ship, please respond, and thank you once again, Noah.
@thetitanicisdead Thanks! the song is "Sunday",by Jean Goldkette orchestra,Bix Beiderbecke on cornet. The ship built in Riva Trigoso,Italy,was part of a class of two,Principessa Jolanda and Mafalda,names of royal princessess.Gross tonnage 10.000,speed 18,designed for South America line.Jolanda was scrapped after the accident. Mafalda sank in 1927 in mid Atlantic with heavy loss of life.
The suggestion that ships should not be launched complete with supersture is a valid one for side launches like this. It is not a hard and fast rule though. Centre of gravity height of the complete ship and so on are the key factors. Many large ships were launched without superstructure of course and complete while moored dockside. It was often for this reason but also so another ship build could be started.
@gcmc2 Of course in an era when alloys were still to come, and with natural draft and subsequent funnel height the KG was particularly reduced. ss Imperator was well remembered for instability. As noted in the clip the sistership was heavily modified in order to keep on the safe side.
Bigger liners with particularly heavy power plant had to be completed at dock, just figure the weight of a boiler....
@annanoli Yep. Of course some ships are also launched without superstructure because they are built in undercover shipyards where the roofheights set the limit..
@annanoli Lol, I would agree with you if Hindenburg had not paid for itself before catching fire. The only reason it did was becuase USA would not sell Nazi Germany the Helium Hindenburg was designed to use (in flight she had extra dead weight ballast) Had Hindenburg been dragged out the hangar and caught fire the first time she out before lifting high, I would agree.
however that was the only tragical mishap of that yard which is still in operations now. a bad luck strike happens...at the time the accident was considered a national tragedy, and'i'm sure that nobody felt the whole affair as "silly".
The sistership was launced succesfully next year,with reduced height and correct ballasting.
@annanoli Being German myself, I feel the whole affair of Hindenburg being painted in basically Thermite is a silly thing. Some one had a HUGE misunderstanding on Zepplins design board. And that the paint was never tested for flammability. And Hydrogen was safe to use look up Graf Zepplin and see what she did in her 9 year carrer, Also, I blame the Nazis for dismantling the Graf and other Airships of the day....God damn those Nazis.
Listening to this music inspired me to download the whole blasted album from Amazon! I told my elderly mother about it and her reply was, "HOW can you STAND to listen to that TINNY 1920's music?!
Well,it's easy to laugh,now. in those times however the whole business was a national tragedy. This is the only mishap in a shipyard which is still building ships now,as Fincantieri Riva Trigoso
Just done some quick research on Jean Goldette and it was indeed the "Keller Sisters and Lynch" whoever Lynch was.... come that who were the Keller sisters?
did they put it in right side up?
andrewhungate 3 days ago
Reminds me of the Costa Concordia sinking.
derekxnl 1 week ago
And she looked like such a lovely liner. What a shame :P
03cryptic 1 week ago
That's funny I would be shiting and pissing my pants in rage If I was a builder for that ship
Busrider804 2 weeks ago
Wrong metacentro place.
martinlatorre 1 month ago
Ha Ha That's FUNNY ! No wonder the Italians lost the war.
Windling46 1 month ago
@Windling46 Just for you information and guidance in 1918 italians WON the war.Ask the same to the Titanic builders
annanoli 1 month ago
fagchan
Foolfyer 1 month ago
SWTOR general
Zpedobear 1 month ago 20
It maybe got a hole in when it got launched.
g210987654321 2 months ago
@g210987654321 no. the ship took a list for defective ballasting,and embarked water via portholes left open
annanoli 1 month ago
in the top in the deck it looks like titanic's
LittleBigPlanetsack1 2 months ago
from building her to scrapping her..30 seconds.
boleynali 2 months ago
Well, what the Italians lack in shipbuilding, they more than make up for in the beauty of their ladies!!!!!!!!!
markacuellar 2 months ago
All that hard work... *sigh*
ItalianBlackheart123 2 months ago
That would piss me off!
untensil 3 months ago
Learned about this launch many years ago, but I hadn't seen some of these pics before.
Thanks for uploading!!
biggbrattz 3 months ago
Great to find this, I remember these photos from an old book my Grandad had, and have always been keen to find out a little more about this failed launch. Thanks to Google and YT I have the answers at last. Thanks for posting.
CaptBubble 4 months ago
@CaptBubble you welcome- if you want to discuss or exchange opinion feel free to contact me. the story is so sad..
annanoli 4 months ago
@annanoli is this the TITANIC?
JokersWild1708 3 months ago
@JokersWild1708 wow..you're at least five years early,a lot of tons less and several thousand miles away...
annanoli 3 months ago
@annanoli very funny...very funny. i live in the USA.
JokersWild1708 3 months ago
@JokersWild1708 no offense meant,just a joke! . Titanic sank in 1912
annanoli 3 months ago
@annanoli and several hundred feet shorter
WatchdogDisciple 2 months ago
the rich guy who owns the ship: FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
ProjectILT 5 months ago
Wasted.
AnthonyEcarma 6 months ago
I wonder is she would've survived had her portholes been shut. It's almost a shame that this didn't happen to the SS Eastland before she had a chance to kill anyone.
2ndOfficerCHL 7 months ago
@2ndOfficerCHL i don't think so...the GZ was too reduced,the ship took a list beyond recovery,the open portholes only speed up the sinking...what happened to SS Eastland?
annanoli 7 months ago
@annanoli She was an American ship that sank in 1915. She was built badly and spent 12 years of her life threatening to capsize until she finally did one day, at a dock on the Chicago River, as she was preparing to take people on a river cruise. 844 people drowned.
Before the sinking, she was sold to a new owner, and the previous owners posted a sarcastic newspaper ad offering a reward to anyone who could prove that she too top heavy to be sailing. Needless to say, no one took it seriously.
2ndOfficerCHL 7 months ago
@2ndOfficerCHL top heavy liners were quite a common problem of the day. german IMPERATOR was always listing p & s. in some cases they har to cut off funnel tops. just imagine at the end of a crossing,with coal bunkers almost empty as well as DB's
annanoli 7 months ago
@annanoli I recall they had to flood Imperator's double bottom with cement to get her to stay upright. Someone once calculated, I don't remember where, that if we still built modern passenger vessels using the same materials as 100 years ago, most of them couldn't take a 10-foot wave without rolling over.
Odd to think that those tall, fat ships we have nowadays handle so much better than the sleek-looking liners back then.
2ndOfficerCHL 7 months ago
@2ndOfficerCHL well,i'm a tug captain...they handle so nicely thanks to their bow and stern thrusters..but with the wind abeam it's another story...i often push alongside ships like Costa Pacifica in Savona harbour in winter times and that's not so funny...
annanoli 7 months ago
the titanic sinks in 5 years on apirl 15 1912
1406house 8 months ago
Bix is a local boy, from Davenport, Iowa...a jazz fest is an annual event as well as a run..
granskare 8 months ago
This was not only tragic but also embarrassing.
(This would have been really embarrassing if it was let's say Battleship Dante Alighieri.)
It's kinda like an Airbus A380 suffering a catastrophic explosion, due to design flaw, while taxiing just before her maiden flight.
I can see why the engineer shot himself.
tamenga88 1 year ago
@tamenga88 To make things clear,the project engineer did not committed suicide. It was the sistership's Chief Engineer who shot himself during the sinking in 1927. This because he knew the situation of the port engine but he decided to sail anyhow
annanoli 1 year ago
ma perchè è affondata la iolanda?
dondapp 1 year ago
@dondapp
Il problema principale è che era troppo alta. quindi c'era troppo peso in alto. Per equilibrare avrebbero dovuto riempire i doppifondi con molta acqua,gravando però troppo sull'invasatura,o scivolo del varo.
In più mentre scendeva in acqua una parte dei sostegni si sono rotti,la nave si è inclinata e attraverso portellini aperti ha cominciato a far acqua. A quel punto tutti gli equilibri sono saltati,e non c'è stato niente da fare. Ho usato linguaggio non tecnico,parliamone se vuoi.
annanoli 1 year ago
@annanoli
ok grazie della spiegazione. cmq anche per l epoca sono stati dei bei coglioni!!! mi si consenta.....
dondapp 1 year ago
Please,don't give me that! Capt. Gulì remained on board and perished,Chief engineer shot himself..Salvage vessels didn't close up fearing boilers explosions. check my other video "ship sinks at sea 1927"
annanoli 1 year ago
I also read up on the Principessa Mafalda, I guess she sank when the plates in the propeller guide well ruptured do to her poor condition. She had enough lifeboats for everyone, but the crew got drunk instead of helping the people get into the boats and off the ship. But I am probably babling on about stuff you know. This is my real question: Are there any pictures of the interior of the Principessa Jolanda or its sister the Mafalda? If so please send me the url, and thanks again! :-)
thetitanicisdead 1 year ago
What a wonderful documentary you made, also may I ask the name of the song please? Thank you for posting this wonderful video, hope you make more on the ship, please respond, and thank you once again, Noah.
thetitanicisdead 1 year ago
@thetitanicisdead Thanks! the song is "Sunday",by Jean Goldkette orchestra,Bix Beiderbecke on cornet. The ship built in Riva Trigoso,Italy,was part of a class of two,Principessa Jolanda and Mafalda,names of royal princessess.Gross tonnage 10.000,speed 18,designed for South America line.Jolanda was scrapped after the accident. Mafalda sank in 1927 in mid Atlantic with heavy loss of life.
annanoli 1 year ago
Yeah,like HMS Hood,Queen Mary,Invincible,Indefatigable and,why not,Titanic...
annanoli 1 year ago
@annanoli
The 1850s built SS Great Eastern PWNS Titanic from an engineering standpoint.
Now that's FAIL.
tamenga88 1 year ago
Yeah,like HSM Hood,Queen Mary,Invincible,Indefatigable
annanoli 1 year ago
lmfao - the launch of failboat!
philosofiza 1 year ago
i wonder how that ship sank if it did not get hit
ILMJJ4EVER 1 year ago
@ILMJJ4EVER well,just think of a wrong weights disposition. too heavy on top,too light at the base. then you capsize...
annanoli 1 year ago
The suggestion that ships should not be launched complete with supersture is a valid one for side launches like this. It is not a hard and fast rule though. Centre of gravity height of the complete ship and so on are the key factors. Many large ships were launched without superstructure of course and complete while moored dockside. It was often for this reason but also so another ship build could be started.
gcmc2 1 year ago
@gcmc2 Of course in an era when alloys were still to come, and with natural draft and subsequent funnel height the KG was particularly reduced. ss Imperator was well remembered for instability. As noted in the clip the sistership was heavily modified in order to keep on the safe side.
Bigger liners with particularly heavy power plant had to be completed at dock, just figure the weight of a boiler....
annanoli 1 year ago
@annanoli Yep. Of course some ships are also launched without superstructure because they are built in undercover shipyards where the roofheights set the limit..
gcmc2 1 year ago
life fail
TheBlitz1 1 year ago
So the Italians can't even build ships that last the distance!
monkeyboy27476 1 year ago
@monkeyboy27476 that's your opinion. however check for SS "REX" winner of the Blue Ribbon in 1933...
annanoli 1 year ago
@monkeyboy27476 Ok...but have you ever heard of TITANIC ?
annanoli 1 year ago
Those silly Italians......
Fischer0Dude 1 year ago
@Fischer0Dude .....Hindenburg.....
annanoli 1 year ago
@annanoli Lol, I would agree with you if Hindenburg had not paid for itself before catching fire. The only reason it did was becuase USA would not sell Nazi Germany the Helium Hindenburg was designed to use (in flight she had extra dead weight ballast) Had Hindenburg been dragged out the hangar and caught fire the first time she out before lifting high, I would agree.
Fischer0Dude 1 year ago
@Fischer0Dude You got a point.
however that was the only tragical mishap of that yard which is still in operations now. a bad luck strike happens...at the time the accident was considered a national tragedy, and'i'm sure that nobody felt the whole affair as "silly".
The sistership was launced succesfully next year,with reduced height and correct ballasting.
annanoli 1 year ago
@annanoli Being German myself, I feel the whole affair of Hindenburg being painted in basically Thermite is a silly thing. Some one had a HUGE misunderstanding on Zepplins design board. And that the paint was never tested for flammability. And Hydrogen was safe to use look up Graf Zepplin and see what she did in her 9 year carrer, Also, I blame the Nazis for dismantling the Graf and other Airships of the day....God damn those Nazis.
Fischer0Dude 1 year ago
All I can see now is Al Capone scratching his balls with a gun.
kezadrone 1 year ago
EPIC FAIL!
JuzTCalLmEMeLviN 1 year ago
Listening to this music inspired me to download the whole blasted album from Amazon! I told my elderly mother about it and her reply was, "HOW can you STAND to listen to that TINNY 1920's music?!
BoyScout1960 1 year ago
@BoyScout1960
ahahahah! at least you made a discover! Bix Beiderbecke was a genius in his time
annanoli 1 year ago
ship sinks at launch
you can't beat that for failure
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago
oh boy! that's Jean Goldkette band with no less than Bix Beiderbecke on cornet!!!
annanoli 1 year ago
That song's "Sunday" by The Manhattan Transfer, right?
ActiveWorldsLunitic 1 year ago
@ActiveWorldsLunitic aye aye sir. Of course this is the original,but Manhattan Transfer evidently sung a remake
annanoli 1 year ago
@annanoli Yar! Who did this cool old version?
ActiveWorldsLunitic 1 year ago
Yeah, I have pics on this liner, and er sister.
GPAPoetics 2 years ago
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GPAPoetics 2 years ago
the engineers and architechs was like, "OH SHIT!!!"
SkateLinerPalit 2 years ago 5
i bet someone lost their job over that one.
turgeo2004 2 years ago
lol cant stop laughin at this video how silly the designers were when they were making her lol
haywoodbadman10 2 years ago
Well,it's easy to laugh,now. in those times however the whole business was a national tragedy. This is the only mishap in a shipyard which is still building ships now,as Fincantieri Riva Trigoso
annanoli 2 years ago
Manhattan Transfer,the famous vocal quartet,recorded the chorus of this song imitating the original
annanoli 2 years ago
Much enjoyed....is that Ethel Merman in the vocals?
dascoger 2 years ago
discography reports a "kELLER SISTERS".no further infos.
annanoli 2 years ago
I just wondered that...... I pulled the track and put it into iTunes on my mac. Love it.
anothercrusader 2 years ago
Just done some quick research on Jean Goldette and it was indeed the "Keller Sisters and Lynch" whoever Lynch was.... come that who were the Keller sisters?
anothercrusader 2 years ago
the music makes the sinking ship , very much funnier... in addition, they just disposed their money down to the sea... XD
thunderizers 2 years ago
the song makes the sinking of ship scene funnier... XD
they just disposed their money in the sea...
thunderizers 2 years ago
PLEASE
WHAT IS THE NAME OF THIS SONG??
warboy1324 2 years ago
Sunday.
jean goldkette orchestra 1924,bix beiderbecke cornet
annanoli 2 years ago