Forum on : Sexuality and Spirituality

[MrGreco2100]

I believe religion is much more focused on moderation then completely restraining one self from pleasure. Also reading religious scriptures should be read in the context in the time it was written. People back then didn't have the luxury and safety that people do have now, so it was very smart to only have sex when married back then. Because we have money, condoms, birth control, and etc. we can express our self-sexually without worrying so much about bad consequences. Key word Moderation!

[jorgemontane]

esto hombre es un recoje tontos me encantaria poder hacerle preguntas como habla de energia tendra algun contrato con la Duracell

[carpediem219]

Anyway, why do we have to think smth is suppresing us. Just try everything out ourselves. Everybody who is not completely dumb would very soon see, that having sex with "who so ever" brings zero joy on its very best outcome, but ussually it brings opposite to the joy. And it is mind braking divine experience, when experienced as a deep union with an entity that You love and admire.And everybody can really tell the difference in their hearts between "to love somebody" and "to desire for somebody"

[MsDaryna]

I don't think religious taboo is a control tool for church ONLY. I believe that somehow it is not good for our emotional wellbeing to have sex without love. So these taboos are sort of preventing us from hurting ourselves.

Yet sometimes it is important to break the laws to realize that they are needed:-)

[Evalyra]

I think it's everybody's own business if they're hurting themselves, there's no need for an institution. Moreover I think that it's everybody's own business if they want to have sex without love. But considering the possibility of sex being a general expression/"tool" for love, I think that's a beautiful thought. If you have random sex, that can be a way of expressing love for people in general, it's something that connects you with others more than in a physical way, be it random or not.

[MsDaryna]

@Evalyra Well, of course it is everybody's business. At least today, when there is no punishment for sex outside marriage. Yet I have found out that many pple I know tried this path to come back to old truths. And I think having sex with many pple has little to do with love.

[carpediem219]

@MsDaryna but church is not standing for sex coming out of love, it is only standing for sex within marrage. And maybe it is only something like 100 years when people are allowed to create marrages out of love and in the old days it has very rarely been so. So church has nothing to do with the wellbeing of people. Of course there are particular individual within the church that have nicest intentions, nut on the whole church is a mechanism of power.

[MsDaryna]

@carpediem219 I am not talking about church as a source of those taboos. They've actually been given to us by God. What we have (like what u said about marriage out of love being a rare case in the old days) is mostly people's interpretations.

[carpediem219]

@MsDaryna whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat???? God gave taboos???? Are You really crazy?? :DDDDD God could possibly give You only pure love and freedom. It's your upbringing, church, etc. that makes you think God can "give taboos". OMG, get over it! No, honestly, why would anyone have such a stupid idea like God giving taboos. Give me a brake :)

[MsDaryna]

@carpediem219 Do you have God's private number, that you know so well what he could or could not give pple? Open any book, like Bible, Quran, Torah, and you'll find plenty of taboos. Like, don't kill, don't lie, don't steal. If you are a parent, would you give your child an opportunity to eat chocolate 24\7, or you'll say "no" to his chocolate cravings time to time? And what is a REAL love: allowing children to do something hurtful to themselves, or warning them against those hurtful actions?

[MsDaryna]

@carpediem219 And If I'm the one whos permission you need to have a break, you can have it:-) I am all loving and caring lol

[carpediem219]

@MsDaryna of course you are all loving and caring - that's the true nature of everybody on this Earth. These books that you mentioned can be of no good guidance to you or anyone, cause true guidance is the inner voice :) And real thank's for a brake ;))) By the way - I do have God's number... :) You do to - but the bible is stuck in your line so unfortunately you can't use it at the moment...

[MsDaryna]

@carpediem219 actually, I do agree that the inner voice, or the voice of the heart, is the best guidance we can have, and when we follow it, we do not need any book to tell us what to do. What I am saying is that some taboos mentioned in the Bible or any other holy book, make sense, even when you look at them throug your heart. To continue my analogy with children: when a child is very small, he might need lots of directions from his parents to be safe in this world.

[MsDaryna]

@carpediem219 when the child matures, tho, he does not need those taboos and directions, because he knows himself what is hurtful and what is not. A small child may hit his brother or sister because he's oblivious that other's feel pain, too. However, as he grows up he learns to see the situation from the point of view of another human being. But in the beginning his parents might say to him "don't hit your small sister!"

[AndreasohBoy]

agree with matuskothai, its purely historical and a need for the church to control people in society

[coffeepen77]

that is why there is a word morality...to discipline our sexuality.

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[danceswithcrayons]

Wonderful topic, thank you Paulo! Yes, a gift. I have a body, and the freedom to choose to enjoy - or not. Share or not. I choose to become a parent, or not. If I want to share and need information, then it is also up to me, to ask questions and find answers. But sex for it's own sake with anyone, without love, is not of interest to me.  : )

[matuskothai]

sexuality in the old testament (as I understand it - as a civil code) was treated as a regular social element, viewed maybe a little bit more strictly as it is now, because e.g. the medicine was not able to cure many things aligned to it, e.t.c.

but what the modern church did in its early times was, because of the power and authority to rule peoples they could only gain through oppressing one of the strongest instincts the man has... simple as that ;)

peace and love...

[violeta0011]

por favor poner subtitulos en español

[MarthaESanchez]

Para mí la sexualidad debería de ser vivida al estilo tántrico, indú. Tengo a mi Maestro Oskar Hodosi, quien nos da un ejemplo perfecto sobre este tema. Para mí durante este tiempo de oscurantismo, la religión tapó el hecho de que la mujer es el canal hacia lo divino, la conexión directa a la divinidad. Ahora que se empieza de nuevo a vivir en una sociedad matriarcal parece que la venda se está cayendo. La Sexualidad es Sagrada

[TsukiLion]

I think religion and culture really influence in the meaning of sexuality, as you may say and we all know, it may be repressive because "using" it in a bad way can cause a lot of damage, I believe sexuality is a delicate thing and really related to love, it's true it's a fisical thing too, but sharing it with a person shouldn't be just a casual thing, maybe that's why religion, as a representation of "pure things", may be repressive in that sense.

[Mahohino]

Well, I believe this comes from the deepest part of the social human being itself. I mean, religion is full of rules about how to act, how to be, and how to spend your time in this social world...

I can write lots and lots of pages about this topic and I have only 400 characters, so if you want to know further about my opinion, please e-mail me and I'll tell you in detail.

[sillykidssong]

True religion doesn't repressed sexuality; it celebrates it as a gift from God to man.

God has placed rules regarding the right use of sexuality in the Bible. To operate within His will, we must heed His warnings and use our sexuality in a proper way.

Misuse of our sexual nature has disastrous results - anyone can see that.

Orphaned children, abortions, divorce, diseases, broken homes, etc. - these are all clear indications that unrestrained sexual behavior is exceedingly dangerous.