Next Generation GPU Fluids

[Mokanin88]

I find it boring to masterbate on this video!

[swezar]

I got thirsty just by watching this

[iDashkey]

Nvidia PhysX Ready!

[speedemon574]

Holy crap that's amazing

[11myedu]

Its in slow motion but is very cool

[goodfull123]

WOW,pretty cool~

[Videos2Game]

@NVCUDA where to download ? pls 

[DrakeSpartan]

Thats what the newest Source/ the EP3 engine needs..And then Garry needs to implement it into GMOD.

[Lesson333]

thats a porn movie for nerds

[IMamazone]

@realflow100

I don't think so

Because nvidia has to cuda to program and interact with but with ati you need to use open Gl or open cl Etc, to interact with

And writing a physics solver is pretty impossible with those

[brett1057228]

listroeen :D



[quangluu96]

DX 12?

[JesusxXxLovesxXxYou]

Is it just me, or does it seem like its too reactive?

[FlyingLaptop]

NVCUDA, does your channel stand for Nvidia Cuda? Or am I wrong?

[BlackMetalMovies]

mmmm green stuff :D

[alipouya]

This day is the same day as my birthday xD

[TheJohnShedletsky]

That's Very Incredible. Sometimes it looks like Jello, When you stopped it for a second.

[kwebber1234]

looks so real!

[cellphonelightsaber]

God, that's probably taking all of the 480's attention....

[nobtube]

expect to see real life application of this by 2015+ if we're lucky

[NadTheBat]

@nobtube Look at Cryostasis, while it had no effect whatsoever on gameplay and took a damn powerful PC to run, it was pretty damn cool to se water simulated in the game

[nobtube]

@NadTheBat cryotasis is nice but nowhere near this level of detail.

you won't see waves crashing into rocks at a beach using this tech even on crysis 2, that would require insane hardware.

anyway they could start making games using this to push the limits but developers don't want to let console players left behind, I mean extremely behind that's why I meant we'll only see this stuff on large scale by 2015 probably on next gen consoles and pcs. well, maybe by 2013. :)

[EvilLamas]

@nobtube we wpont have this in games for a few years:(

unless one developer actually makes a PC only game, for super high end and future computers only.

[TheUndertaker1997Pro]

thys is blender

[mbe102]

Hey NVCUDA, not sure if you work for nVidia, but I think selling backlogged 8600's and up as optional dedicated PhysX cards to ATi users would be a good way to gain prophet, and close in on the PhysX API software demographic, just my opinion, but full support for using these with ATi Cards for ATi PhysX and CUDA based rendering etc. would be some serious capital that nVidia and the consumers and developers could stand to gain from. Like I said, just my opinion.

[DanielRock]

This is the most reallistic fluid i've ever seen

[stevensantosgarcia]

Which chipset is this running on? Geforce 400 series (Fermi)? How many GPUs? Can you post a link to the actual presentation at the 2009 GPU Technology Conference because I am unable to find it. Thanks!

[nemanja09]

Is there a way to download this software somewhere? PM please... Thanks!

[cybereality]

Amazing!

[intru3d]

most realistic ever!

[stodal1]

were i can get this?

[therulebreaker]

OMG, ITS A CONSPIRACY.

nVidia is planning to fuckin take over this world.

JUST LOOK AT THE WATER EFFECTS, that aint anything normal.......

[PSNDonutDude]

I would really like to see this liquid settle. Also I'd like to see a drop of water into deeper water to see if it comes back up like real water. Looks amazing though

[MrKarlalfred88]

awesome! to have this kind of dynamic water instead of planes in games would be awesome! and a sound simulator integrated in every game that produces sound from the bubbles! :) I hope it will come in the future...

[whotookmynickkokokai]

is this CFD for real? tell me which company is using this?

can we get data like shear stress?

[Shadoskillz]

wooo

[gottn211]

What's the next step? Make the fluid atatch to diffirent objects like cotton or something. That would be cool.

[samardj]

really awesome....

[Aerospacesmith]

I think most people are missing the point of the video. It's a TECH DEMO to show off that a GPU can do the computations and render all in real time.

[kjulssfl]

very slow!

[abram730]

It looks like an ocean sized fluid... note the wave caps... I think this code was intended for oceans and oceans move slow... very slow

It's all about the scale of the object the number of points and how much water each point represents.

perceived speed of motion is relative to scale.

slower water

watch?v=AlPqL7IUT6M

[thedevo01]

@kjulssfl lol it's incredibly fast for a real-time render, mate.

And the fact that you commented a year ago, when rendering was even weaker, makes it that much worse.

[taufan8687]

very smooth

[clubpenguin1help]

obviously an animation done in either blender or some other animation program with fluid physics

[Niklasdiver123]

this is real time

[clubpenguin1help]

I was... partially sarcastic as this could easily be done is something like that.

[Zhylo]

you're not familiar with physx, are you?

[clubpenguin1help]

that's irrelevant. my point is that this could easily be simulated with software

[Zhylo]

no, you stated that the above video was either prerenderd cgi, or a static animation.

[clubpenguin1help]

with sarcasm

[AdeonC]

@clubpenguin1help: I didn't get your sarcam until I read your other comments. Watch it not to be misunderstood by everyone :P

[WizzardOfGlue]

cool1

[hihi2111]

It looks amazing but fake

[Shas221]

i believe you are right, not much different from todays 3d applications

[Niklasdiver123]

this isnt fake.

[nutzy73]

Is that a Mac cursor? :)))

[NickBlackDIN]

what about air bubble's?? last I checked if I frop a splash of water into a bucket of water it forms small little air bubble's... other then that, if this is really real time, this is friggin amazing!

[MrNightLifeLover]

Is there a paper about this??

[evildwarf]

Meh, my Radeon 5970 can do this a lot better.

[AkkeDaBest]

lol

[ZurusTV]

amazing

[McMaster08]

Is this going to be released as a real-time demo?

[NVCUDA]

Yes, probably at Fermi launch.

[McMaster08]

@NVCUDA I really wish it does so, because it looks very stunning.

[realflow100]

@NVCUDA would there be a company that makes GPU simulations for ATI cards?

[apg1978]

Are there any 'sandbox' tools where you can play like this in 3D? In the same way you can play live in 2D-Phun? Running an i7 @ 3.33 standard, with 4Gb of GPU RAM (2 gtx295's). Would be great to see, live.

[erikalst]

does any 3D apps include this technology? (Maya/Softimage/3DMax/Houdini) ?

[orangejulius072]

what kind of jobs offer doing stuff like this?!

i'm being very serious this looks so much better than architectural engineering.

[Slegarthoth]

orangejulius072

Are you talking about the games industry? The only way to get in, is to get a relevant comp sci degree and then impress them with a demo of your own making.

Otherwise you can make your own games/engine as a starving Indie. :)

[speedaddict2008]

I'm so enraged when I see that GPU simulate and also render a 128k particle simulation , and my CPU is barely rendering one frame per 5 seconds in a goddamned 10k particle realflow simulation!

[NVCUDA]

You should encourage Realflow to do a GPU implementation :)

[Nvidiaguides]

@speed addict 2008

Well, A CPU has completely different architecture to a GPU.

[sacredgeometry]

@speedaddict2008 I know, dont worry they are starting to get there, and its about bloodytime.

[preterhuman]

warum läuft das Ganze in Zeitlupe, ist das etwa der coolness zuliebe? so ein Schwachsinn - Echzeit sollte schon Echzeit sein. Ich denke der Effekt wäre wesentlich beeindruckender. Dies hier hat man nämlich schon "überall" gesehen...

[guderiancol]

si claro

[NVCUDA]

It looks like it's in slow motion because I did the capture wrong - if you watch the live demo from GTC it's much faster.

[orangejulius072]

i guess if you compared this to a larger scale it would seem to be correct.

like ocean size, this would be pretty accurate in speed...

just depends on the model scale

[Niklasdiver123]

@preterhuman nein , hat man nicht

[aminuk23]

this is already in game, its not next generation

[Niklasdiver123]

its next gen. only game yet using this is cryostaisis. but this is much better than cryostasis

[yorgaraz]

its not only cryostatis witch uses PhysX

Look for these games, or search at nvidia for a list with games that support physX:

batman arkham asylum with physX

Mirrors edge PhysX patch

PT Boats: Knights of the Sea

Nurien

Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 (GRAW2)

Unreal Tournament 3: Extreme Physics Mod

[Niklasdiver123]

cryostasis is the only ga,e at the moment that uses the physx fluid technologie i know there are other games out there using physx, but not fluid ;)

[yorgaraz]

@Niklasdiver123 I didn't noticed that only cryostasis uses fluid physX. thanks ;)

[manhunt48]

yet its a shame that it's simply a gimmick to get nvidia fanboys to buy more. The Havok and bullet engines are used much more (and are being used more and more) as well as doing a better job, as well not requiring another GPU.

PhysX is a joke.

[yorgaraz]

Agree...

Even the most powerful game engine (Cryengine 3) i heard that they copied the physics system of havok. Or if you see wolfenstein at the bottom of the loading screen it says: powered by HAVOK.

PhysX are good only at movies... They used a plug in provited by nvidia for Maya. its called RealFlow.

You can see it at transformens, Lord Of The Rings, 2012 etc. i saw a video demo of nvidia with it...

check it at youtube search

[c0mpal]

I'm sorry but what does RealFlow have to do with PhysX or Nvidia?? RealFlow is not a plug in for Maya provided by nvidia. It's a stand-alone application made by Next Limit that has plugins for Maya, 3Dsmax etc. BTW that nvidia demo you probably saw shows a lot of things that have nothing to do with physx like fumefx (wich is a plugin for 3dsmax to simulate fire, smoke etc). If that was a real demo from nvidia they must be really desperate...

[jaggilardej]

buy a nividia tesla and it will work beter

[MacSick]

now that's insane

[iLeXxX8]

nVIDIA ROCKS

[J0hnCl0sed]

ndividia fail ,

[tuskaretki]

Someone made a mess with computer!

[r0galik]

The unrealistic part is that there are waves on the surface while it should be plain (it's most visible at the end of the movie)

[Slipknot19791979]

6 setzen. Fermi für Serveranwendungen. Es ist eine Abkehr vom Spielemarkt zu erkennen, Kack Spielekonsolen eben. )

[Xxfritz67xX]

@Laluilos

AMD's Problem besteht u.a. darin, dass

1)Nvidia einen enormen Vorsprung in Bezug auf PhysX hat,

2)AMD Lizenzkosten an Nvidia zahlen müsste und

3)es ein Riesenaufwand wäre PhysX im Grafikchip unterzubringen.

Desweiteren werden kommende DirectX-Versionen, wie z.B. DirectX 11 eine Berechnung von Physik in der GPU ermöglichen. Warum sollte AMD sich also von Nvidia 'knechten' lassen, wenn Microsoft einen einheitlichen Standart schaffen will?

[Laluilos]

Hallo!

Zu deinen Punkten:

1) Stimmt!

2) Die Lizenzkosten hätte Amd/Ati sich sparen können, indem sie ein Angebot von nVidia, PhysX ohne Lizenzkosten zu benutzen, abgelehnt haben.

3) Stimmt ebenfalls, aber NVidia hat es ja auch irgendwie geschafft.

Microsoft will nicht "einen" einheitlichen Standard, sondern Seinen! Das will Nvidia ebenfalls. Natürlich lässt Amd sich nicht von nVidia knächten, Umgekehrtes wird aber auch nicht passieren.

[Laluilos]

Achja, dx11 ist KEIN Ersatz für zB. PhysX. Die ComputeShader sind kein Ersatz für einen Physikbeschleuniger!

[HarryCaneNo1]

sieht nett aus aber bei wasser muss man echt nich so übertreiben, mehr als realistisch is es auch nich schon garnich praktisch, solange man wasser nicht als aktives/brauchbares (zB)spielelement benutzen kann reicht es auch den realistischen effekt vorzutäuschen, wenn man aber sinnvoll mit wasser interagieren könnte um es für bestimmte sachen zu nutzen wäre es schon sinnvoller, leider wird´s wohl noch locker 5 bis 10 jahre dauern bis man sowas ´flüssig´ xD auf den bildschirm kriegt

[Cosmo8888]

Das dürfte für Objekte in Flüssigkeiten (Verdrängung) interessant werden. Dann bestehen Oberflächen nicht nur mehr aus "Tüchern". Bis dahin wird man aber noch einiges an Rechenpower benötigen.

[Thoran666]

Sieht klasse aus, aber physix war eine Totgeburt. Erst kommt Ageia daher und will das man spezille Karten für 150€ kauft, dann will Nvidia das man ihre Karten für 100-300€ kauft und lässt nicht mal mehr zu, dass man eine Radeon zur Grafikberechnung hat und die Geforce nur für die Physik.

Mittelfristig wird sich irgendwas durchsetzen das auf allen System läuft. So was wie Bullet zum Beispiel.

[Laluilos]

"Totgeburt" ist wohl übertrieben. Ich habe bereits einige hervorragende Spiele mit PhysX genossen.

"Mittelfristig wird sich irgendwas durchsetzen das auf allen System läuft. So was wie Bullet zum Beispiel."

PhysX könnte auch auf allen Systemen laufen und Standard werden - dem aktuellen Nvidia-Monopol in Sachen PhysX steht übrigens weniger NVidia selbst, als vielmehr Amd/Ati im Weg: Die wollen partout PhysX als neuen Phyik-Standard verhindern.

[Thoran666]

AMD hat was dagegen weil sie dann CUDA einsetzen müssen. OpenCL ist fertig. Alles was Nvidia machen müsste wäre Physx auf OpenCl umprogrammieren und dann würde das auf allen Grafikkarten laufen. Du kannst nicht von ATI erwarten dass sie CUDA und Physx von Nvidia nehmen damit machen sie sich von denen extrem abhängig.

Welche Spiele meinst du denn? Ich kenne blos Warmonger das die Physx sinnvoll einsetzt.

[Laluilos]

Hallo! Also Spiele gibts ja nun reichlich.^^

Aktuell: Batman Arkham Asylum. Weitere: Mirrors Edge, Sacred 2, Cryostasis.

Spiele die eher unspektakuläre Physik-Berechungen a la Havok beinhalten, aber PhysX verwenden, siehst du hier: ht tp://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/PhysX

Ich kann mich noch an die Meldung erinnern, dass nVidia Ati angeboten hat ebenfalls mit Physx zu arbeiten; ohne Aufwand. Das hat Ati abgelehnt.

[Thoran666]

Mirrors Edge hat Physx blos für Glasscheiben missbraucht. Besser hätte man die Rechenpower nicht verschwenden können. Sacret 2 missbraucht die Engine blos für ein paar Partikel. Keine Ahnung wie es bei Cryostasis und Batman aussieht aber vermutlich spielen die zusätzlichen Physik Effekte auch dort keine Rolle.

Wir reden hier von Physik man! Nicht von Grafikeffekten. Alles was die bis jetzt gemacht haben sind Grafikeffekte.

[Laluilos]

Zitat Thoran666:

"Mirrors Edge hat Physx blos für Glasscheiben missbraucht."

Wieso missbraucht? Wenn dann GEbraucht. An Glasscheiben kann ich mich nicht erinnern, dafür aber an beeindruckende Stoff-Effekte (bei Flaggen etc.)

Sacred macht hervorragenden Gebrauch von PhysX der optisch absolut beeindruckt; das kannst du auch im Test bei den großen deutschen Spiele-Zeitschriften nachlesen.

Cryostasis war meiner M. nach übrigens diesbezüglich am beeindruckendsten.

[Thoran666]

Was bringen einem Stoffe oder ein paar Zaubereffekte? Solange dadurch das Spiel nicht beeinflusst wird merkt man das nach 30 Minuten eh nicht mehr. Was Mirrors Edge gebraucht hätte wären einstürzende Gebäude durch die man rennt und bei Sacret hätten die Physik Effekte genutz werden können um Gegner durch die Gegend zu schmeißen oder ordentlich zu verletzen mit den Partikeln. Aber nein, weils nur auf Nvidia karten läuft muss man es auf Grafikeffekte beschränken.

Das mein ich.

[Laluilos]

"Aber nein, weils nur auf Nvidia karten läuft muss man es auf Grafikeffekte beschränken."

Logik?

"Was bringen einem Stoffe oder ein paar Zaubereffekte?"

Schonmal was von Athmosphäre gehört? Wenn nur alle Effekte zählen würden, die das Spiel direkt beeinflussen bräuchte man ja gar keine Grafik mehr - nur noch das Grundgerüst. Insbesondere Sacred2, Cryostasis und Batman haben durch PhysX an Athmosphäre deutlich gewonnen.

[Laluilos]

Natürlich könnte man PhysX noch intensiver gebrauchen - aber abwarten! Es hat viel Potenzial, nur kann es das ja nicht gleich von 0 auf 100 entfalten. Dazu braucht es Leistung und den Willen der Programmierer eines Spiels.

Also abwarten und bis dahin das schon vorhandene genießen!

[Kasten91]

Wow :o Sowas hab ich noch nie gesehen sonst bestehen die meisten Füssigkeits animationen Aus 1 oder 2Dimensionalen Texturen, aber mal jeders Wasser Molekühl einzeln Darzustellen das sieht echt geil aus.

respeckt den Entwiklern, die dads gemacht haben. mal sehen in Welchen Spiel sowas zuerst geben wird.

[3vilChick3n]

die bessere frage ist ob sich physx durchsetzen wird. da nur nvidia karten sowas berechnen wird der markt mal wieder unnötig gespalten. und ati wird mit seiner eigenen technik kontern. unterm strich: totaler schwachsinn^^ hier wird nur mal wieder versucht eine monopol stellung aufzubauen^^

[Kronosk2]

go for nvidia fermi and core I7 :D

[dchalf10]

come on fermi, come to me my child, crysis longs for your love

[barood100]

what system can run this ??

[Stef3m]

Run on old generation GPU, probably GTX 260/285

[marcyboy123]

RETARD

[Stef3m]

...

[gor1l1a]

I don't think that this demo is made to be water. This "fluid" is more viscous than water, yet less than oil. Either way it is an awesome demonstration of what is to come from Nvidia.

[abram730]

Large not viscous.

Think ocean and look again. See the wave caps.

[tipoomaster]

Very cool, but there is a massive difference between rendering liquid like that and rendering it in a "real world" game. Remember Nvidia's human head demo?

Anyways, so i geuss the standalone PhysX cards arent capable of this, poor early adapters.

[Conundrummy]

I agree I really like this concept but until they show me that it can run next to say a ship with animations of people on board and exterior real time lighting with weather effects and say some sand and trees then I'll believe that it has real implications in the game industry

[coex15t]

kgo...

[insanic1]

go pc graphics, always first over consoles, always will be

[pientka23]

shit

[Mike3MW]

HOLY COW, Superman!!!

It's liquid Kryptonite...

[Kenjineering]

They must have nabbed some decent phd physicists and mathematicians!

[4E65676174726F6E]

Anyone with an appreciable knowledge of programming and differential equations can create something like this. The problem has always been processing power.

[Kenjineering]

oh ok cheers

[wsbygt]

amazing....

[MaXThReAT]

Still going to take a while to actually see anything like this in a game, a long while.

[01DOGG01]

Nice shading techenques to make the water look pretty.

For those interested, there's a 2D app called "OE-Cake" where you can mess with this kind of stuff in real-time.

[chacker8953]

holy shit

[PS3AuRoN89]

oh

my

god

[geek77rus]

Un-freakin-believable :-o

Somehow this actually does look more real then water itself...  :-)

Nice work NVpeople.

If it wasn't for the price - I would have one NVidia too. Somehow NV-s cost almost twice the price of an equivalent ATI.

Physx, CUDA, sure. But come´on, the difference is simply unacceptable. I hope that NVidia rethinks the prices, because I really want one to check out all this Physx stuff...

[this0shit]

Ser lite ut som sylt :D mm gott

[82ndProductions]

that.......is......sexy lol

[heinuh]

i hope something like this will also come to Ati openfysics :O

[Oikonny]

i'm looking forward to see this technique in future video games, but i think we have to wait at least 4-5 years for playing a Crysis-like game with "real" water ;-)

[Eastrider1006]

GTA IV water is pretty realistic, even realtime deformation, but nowhere near this video.