OH MY GOD! AT 4:10 IF THE GUYS NEXT TO THE BUILDING WERE EVER ON MY FIRE SCENE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN IN SO MUCH TROUBLE! After a partial collapse of one of the walls you never EVER get that close!
Not only does this look like a cluster &*%$ but the firemen all seem scared of the guy filming them. Must be a horrible place to work if their anything like the Fireproof movie makes it out to be.
AND FINALLY, I SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST! Why at the end of the video does the camera operator tell the crew to, "Just go in and try to put it out." I really wanted to believe that the camera operator was just a bystander, but the crew responding "yes sir" and then repositioning the line leads me to believe that the camera operator and IC are one in the same. Once again, a perfect example of what not to do! Or more appropriately, a perfect example of what not to do as the IC!
With a partial collapse of the roof, these two firefighters were lucky in that the front wall was not pushed out and on top of them? Why were they not pulled away from the structure after the roof collapsed? I think the command officer was more intent on filming than commanding. From the beginning, a mounted deck gun or a ground monitor should have been utilized. Utilizing the aerial device was a good idea but why position the aerial at the downwind side of the building?
A couple of things.......First, is the command officer the guy walking around with the camera giving orders? I would venture to say yes since my next question would be to question the tactics employed. Why use handlines on a fully involved, untenable structure fire? Not only are you bringing a .22 to a bear hunt, but this department is also placing two firefighters in potentially grave danger by using a 180 gpm handline well inside the structure's collapse zone.
If there was a vagrant in the building, they would've been dead. Conditions were not survivable. Go with the deck gun, it might make identifiying the body easier. And why did they set up the aerial downwind?
Nice video. @higgins016, I would guess that the LDH that you see is acting as a supply line to the pumper. Was this Albany, GA? Based on the talking, I would guess that was the case (no offense, I have family in south Georgia). I can see how there would be questions about the actions in this video, but I think it is important to remember that, on YouTube, we see 5:30 of a fire that we didn't respond to in an area that we do not protect. It's easy to cast stones with our limited view.
from the looks of it....seems like yall were short on manpower...seems to be an issue everywhere now adays....just a quick question, Yall dont have a deck gun on ur engines/tankers or a portable water monitor, anything flowing more than a handline/ inch3/4?...Just askin cuz it looks like the 5 inch was charged and ready to go....no criticism or anything.....just wonderin...good job on doin what u could for the time bein....
Being the officer on the first arriving engine, here's why you don't see deck guns or portable monitors in the video. The time was approx. 3pm on a very busy road. Heavy smoke but no fire was showing. Base on the time, location and visible conditions, it was reasonable that the fire had not progressed to a point that handlines could not handle. Also, the building was vacant with no utilities. We have an increasing problem of vagrants in these buildings. It was a STRONG possibility...
that whoever started the fire was still inside. that's why a handline was the initial call. The line was put into position and before it was charged the roof began to collapse with practically no warning. Conditions changed almost instantly. This video starts approx. 2-3 min. after our arrival. The decision to set up the ladder (elevated master-stream) had already been made, and at the end of the video you can see that it is being moved into position. Thanks for the KIND critique.
I completely understand where you're comin from now. Thats why I was just askin and not criticizing, i wanted to know more than what was shown on the video clip and what was described under it . Obviously you dont flow masterstreams with possible entrapment. For us, day time calls are a nightmare for manpower. I thought that might have played a role. But again, good job and thanks for explaining it further than what the video showed. Stay safe
@higgins016 Its nice to hear different perspectives and opinions and have the opportunity to learn from each other. Again, thanks for asking without criticizing and stay safe, bro.
OH MY GOD! AT 4:10 IF THE GUYS NEXT TO THE BUILDING WERE EVER ON MY FIRE SCENE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN IN SO MUCH TROUBLE! After a partial collapse of one of the walls you never EVER get that close!
firecaptin14 5 days ago
Not only does this look like a cluster &*%$ but the firemen all seem scared of the guy filming them. Must be a horrible place to work if their anything like the Fireproof movie makes it out to be.
gman41098 1 week ago
AND FINALLY, I SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST! Why at the end of the video does the camera operator tell the crew to, "Just go in and try to put it out." I really wanted to believe that the camera operator was just a bystander, but the crew responding "yes sir" and then repositioning the line leads me to believe that the camera operator and IC are one in the same. Once again, a perfect example of what not to do! Or more appropriately, a perfect example of what not to do as the IC!
ohiosnowrider 1 month ago
@ohiosnowrider Oh my god... you've read my mind :)
firecaptin14 5 days ago
@firecaptin14 to all three comments...
firecaptin14 5 days ago
@ohiosnowrider maybe he was an off duty chief? (devil's advocate)
nsherman12345 3 days ago
With a partial collapse of the roof, these two firefighters were lucky in that the front wall was not pushed out and on top of them? Why were they not pulled away from the structure after the roof collapsed? I think the command officer was more intent on filming than commanding. From the beginning, a mounted deck gun or a ground monitor should have been utilized. Utilizing the aerial device was a good idea but why position the aerial at the downwind side of the building?
ohiosnowrider 1 month ago
A couple of things.......First, is the command officer the guy walking around with the camera giving orders? I would venture to say yes since my next question would be to question the tactics employed. Why use handlines on a fully involved, untenable structure fire? Not only are you bringing a .22 to a bear hunt, but this department is also placing two firefighters in potentially grave danger by using a 180 gpm handline well inside the structure's collapse zone.
ohiosnowrider 1 month ago
If there was a vagrant in the building, they would've been dead. Conditions were not survivable. Go with the deck gun, it might make identifiying the body easier. And why did they set up the aerial downwind?
ffjsb 1 month ago
I didn't see the crew from "Fireproof", were they not on shift? Good job guys. Stay safe!
ppi35trk 2 months ago
Awesome footage
BradleyProduction1 2 months ago
Who was recording it. OIC?
PastaPete1995 3 months ago
Why wait for the truck co when you have a deck gnm that could have knocked that fire down once you established a water supply.
MrDeanymachiny 7 months ago 4
It's a cooker!
cowboy3990 8 months ago
Tell him LT!
digger1369 11 months ago
Nice video. @higgins016, I would guess that the LDH that you see is acting as a supply line to the pumper. Was this Albany, GA? Based on the talking, I would guess that was the case (no offense, I have family in south Georgia). I can see how there would be questions about the actions in this video, but I think it is important to remember that, on YouTube, we see 5:30 of a fire that we didn't respond to in an area that we do not protect. It's easy to cast stones with our limited view.
upstatefire 11 months ago
from the looks of it....seems like yall were short on manpower...seems to be an issue everywhere now adays....just a quick question, Yall dont have a deck gun on ur engines/tankers or a portable water monitor, anything flowing more than a handline/ inch3/4?...Just askin cuz it looks like the 5 inch was charged and ready to go....no criticism or anything.....just wonderin...good job on doin what u could for the time bein....
higgins016 11 months ago
@higgins016
Being the officer on the first arriving engine, here's why you don't see deck guns or portable monitors in the video. The time was approx. 3pm on a very busy road. Heavy smoke but no fire was showing. Base on the time, location and visible conditions, it was reasonable that the fire had not progressed to a point that handlines could not handle. Also, the building was vacant with no utilities. We have an increasing problem of vagrants in these buildings. It was a STRONG possibility...
crlybill1 11 months ago
@higgins016
that whoever started the fire was still inside. that's why a handline was the initial call. The line was put into position and before it was charged the roof began to collapse with practically no warning. Conditions changed almost instantly. This video starts approx. 2-3 min. after our arrival. The decision to set up the ladder (elevated master-stream) had already been made, and at the end of the video you can see that it is being moved into position. Thanks for the KIND critique.
crlybill1 11 months ago
@crlybill1
I completely understand where you're comin from now. Thats why I was just askin and not criticizing, i wanted to know more than what was shown on the video clip and what was described under it . Obviously you dont flow masterstreams with possible entrapment. For us, day time calls are a nightmare for manpower. I thought that might have played a role. But again, good job and thanks for explaining it further than what the video showed. Stay safe
higgins016 11 months ago
@higgins016 Its nice to hear different perspectives and opinions and have the opportunity to learn from each other. Again, thanks for asking without criticizing and stay safe, bro.
crlybill1 11 months ago
@crlybill1 was there another engine they were moving to keep the heat from melting any of the exterior
TAPSFAN2013 1 month ago