hmmm...i'm not a cop, but isn't there a law against attacking a guy in a parking lot, tying him to a truck and beating him with a bat ? i guess in north carolina that's legal behavior...
I certainly remember this video and both incidents involving both Tully Blanchard and Dusty Rhodes. WCW and the NWA were king of violent incidents and blood feuds. I sure wish they were still around and still had the caliber of wrestlers of that era. But, times changes I guess!
@SaleGuy Yes. As a matter of fact, Nikita Koloff turned face right after Magnum T.A.'s accident.And his partner Ivan Koloff would follow him later down the road when he and his then manager Paul Jones would fall out after Ivan lost a four-corners match with Ricky Morton of the Rock-n-Roll Express. This was an era of wrestling that will never be forgotten.
Ric's house looks a little like a television studio... I wonder if that was subliminal?
Best angle, when they cut the video before Dusty got his hand crushed but you still heard him screaming, I remember seeing this and thinking "OMG. I hope this is isn't real, they are killing him." Perfect.
@jobber25v I don't think he really broke character. i took it as, "you better make it good, because it's going to come back on you ten fold". Like, "if you knock me down, you better make sure I don't get back up because I'm coming for you"
I remember watching these clips on tbs at 6:05 here in Florida. They knew how to entertain and how to put on a good show. i seem to remember watching Superstar Billy Graham strapped in a desert somewhere for 40 day and nights lol
i used to love this. About a month before Starrcade Jim Crockett would announce some of the upcoming matches. I was mad young but i remember being glued to the TV to see what was the next match that was coming to Starcade!
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Watching the NWA at 3pm on Saturdays, compared to wwf superstars on 10am on Saturdays, was like comparing prime rib to lunchmeat. NWA ruled over wwf. I love that thru youtube and wwe videos more wrestling fans are starting to notice what we knew all along. Woooooo!
I know, I use to tell all my friends who were WWF fans what federation was #1! Some of them thought the NWA was a minor league......I was like pleasssse!
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You didn't know shit. The WWF was a damn good product, and you're right, the WWF was prime rib, and the NWA was lunch meat. From the fan base, to production. If it wasn't for the fact that the wrestlers could put on a show the NWA would have been the total shits.
I'd have to say that the WWF was better in terms of production value, but NWA wrestlers and matches out-performed them in ring activity, day in and day out.
The golden age of wrestling there. When I was growing up I lived for Saturday cartoons and Saturday NWA and Saturday World Wide Wrestling shows. NWA at 1 pm right after Saturday morning cartoons and World Wide Wrestling at 11:15pm right after the news with my dad (God rest his soul) watching with me. Those were the best days of my life and cherished memories forever.
yeah. I remember playing outside and running in to watch it at 6pm on TBS. Then my friends and I would try every move we saw on each other. I actually broke my arm trying to do a flying elbow off our picnic table. HAHA
must be time zones because i always remembered watching all this on tbs on sat round 6 and 7 i think on sun. i remember my granny whne she wasnt raisin hell because the braves were on she was rasin hellon ric flair lol
yeah it was sat at 6:05pm to be exact. i grew up in ct and that is when it came on. i always ran in the house and jumped in front of the floor model tv to watch. much better than all the steroid actors in WWE nowadays.
I used to always wonder why the cameraman never put down the camera to help out but only after the 'cold shower' known as adulthood beset upon me did I realize why.
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i remember seeing the 4 horseman attacking dusty in the parkinglot where they screwed up his hand, that had the same effect on me when i was a kid lol.
Hey, same here. I wish those days were back again. I wanted to be one of Ric's "Space Mountianetts" and of course apart of me still dose. Ahhh what if? hmmmmmmmm. ;)
Hey rasabduk, if you dont know who the "guy in the suit" is, you have no business watching these great videos from the golden age of wrestling. Let alone posting about them.
All Im saying is if he is that into this particular video and the Horseman, he should know who the hell JJ Dillon is thats all. I wasnt alive in the 60's but I know shot JFK
you know, its funny that you don't think of these things as a kid, but wouldn't the cops have been called during the assault in the parking lot? Hahaha..
funny you should say that, when the Outsiders attacked Rey Mysterio and others in the parking lot on an epsiode of Nitro in '96, the cops were called by people who lived near the arena
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correct me if i'm wrong, but in kayfabe terms, if the first blood match is not sanctioned by Jim Crockett promotions or the NWA, then how can the TV championship be on the line?
I think because even though the match wasn't sanctioned by JCP or the NWA, it still involves an NWA championship. Don't quote me on that, but that's my theory.
The minute I heard Dusty say "Make it good" that ruined this clip for me! I taped this back in the day and noticed that blooper about the fourth time I viewed it with my buddies. Rhodes probably thought the sound wasn't being recorded because all the guys were cussing.
That's some old school shit right there man! I don't think I recall anything before '89. And the Four Horseman look like those cheezy villains you see in those corny 80's "badguy vs. goodguy" TV shows. I half expected them to run outside and jump in a helecopter to make a get-away.
If you have no idea what the hell I'm talking about, forget it, lol. Good vid. Thanks for posting.
Usually, it was Dusty gettin' the crap kicked out of him. Seeing Dusty smack him (and JJ Dillon) with a chair and clamp the figure four on Tully is something else...and Dusty didn't blade himself!
Who ever is posting all of this vintage NWA stuff please continue. That bastard Vince McMahon won't release any of the good video. Man, those were early days of the Horseman - I have Starcade '86 somewhere on tape.
Wasn't there also a video of them pinning him between two trucks or something? Seems like I remember that as well.
dbusic77 2 weeks ago
dusty " make it good" classic.
pazios2002 3 months ago
Dude,I remember being welded in front of the TV set when wrestling was on back in these days,Dusty was King! Hes still my all time Favorite.
NAMTRIP 7 months ago 3
Look at the old school tv's ha ha ha. They look like the Value Village TV's
MAYDAYES 8 months ago
Dalmatian furniture!!!!! :-/
2hedzrbetta 8 months ago
I miss the ORIGINAL horsemen. None of this FORTUNE or IMMORTAL bullshit now. The 80s had awesome wrestling stables.
MrDman21 8 months ago 4
1:40 louie anderson?
gtrfurby 8 months ago
hmmm...i'm not a cop, but isn't there a law against attacking a guy in a parking lot, tying him to a truck and beating him with a bat ? i guess in north carolina that's legal behavior...
90038jhon 9 months ago 3
@90038jhon Hmmm, it's wrestling!
da324 9 months ago
Flair is useless
VerifiedNiceGuy 10 months ago
God I wish Crocket would have handled his monehy better, we'd still have a WRESTLING around instead of just sports entertainment.
Murphdogg4 11 months ago
WWF=Fake Wrestling
NWA=The Real Deal (nothing fake about it, brothah!!!)
rudypoodoo 11 months ago
@rudypoodoo NWA N WWF was fake sorry to break it to u
jayslay1000 11 months ago
I certainly remember this video and both incidents involving both Tully Blanchard and Dusty Rhodes. WCW and the NWA were king of violent incidents and blood feuds. I sure wish they were still around and still had the caliber of wrestlers of that era. But, times changes I guess!
kenpalmer1965 1 year ago
Ole Anderson was a bastard!
styx4ever1963 1 year ago
tony schivone looks like the guy on the pringles can
dare2727 1 year ago
Right around the time of Magnum T.A.'s terrible and tragic accident
SaleGuy 1 year ago
@SaleGuy Yes. As a matter of fact, Nikita Koloff turned face right after Magnum T.A.'s accident.And his partner Ivan Koloff would follow him later down the road when he and his then manager Paul Jones would fall out after Ivan lost a four-corners match with Ricky Morton of the Rock-n-Roll Express. This was an era of wrestling that will never be forgotten.
kenpalmer1965 1 year ago
Man Ric looks hot! Woooo, look at him. :D
Lovelygal71 1 year ago
That's hard times right there...hard times.
93lazydaze 1 year ago
Beat downs were great in the 80's.
jm0226 1 year ago
Tully, you and JJ got what you deserved.
SteamboatFan1 1 year ago
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FAKE. Evrything is fake exept for jj sounding like a excited little bitch. knew he was a fruit.
veeseee128 2 years ago
Ric's house looks a little like a television studio... I wonder if that was subliminal?
Best angle, when they cut the video before Dusty got his hand crushed but you still heard him screaming, I remember seeing this and thinking "OMG. I hope this is isn't real, they are killing him." Perfect.
daredevilpre 2 years ago 2
I think Dusty was only second to The Rock in terms of getting his ass beat in his career.
RSXemperor 2 years ago
@RSXemperor I respectfully disagree. No Champion took a beating like Shawn Michaels. Not even Lawler or Flair.
playboydig12 1 year ago
dusty messes up in this he says make it look good breaking character
jobber25v 2 years ago
@jobber25v I don't think he really broke character. i took it as, "you better make it good, because it's going to come back on you ten fold". Like, "if you knock me down, you better make sure I don't get back up because I'm coming for you"
mamacornettesmoney 1 year ago
they best dustys ass ,,,the first ever drive by lol georgia style!
wessydde 2 years ago
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The Four Horesemen are acting like the KKK against Dusty Rhodes, just because he sounds like an ol' Colored Man.
Buckeyecat2002 2 years ago
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Flair's home doesn't look very impressive.
I guess for the 80's that is a "big house on the big side of town".
tomwalker389 2 years ago
I remember watching these clips on tbs at 6:05 here in Florida. They knew how to entertain and how to put on a good show. i seem to remember watching Superstar Billy Graham strapped in a desert somewhere for 40 day and nights lol
mutulatedsoul20008 2 years ago 2
i used to love this. About a month before Starrcade Jim Crockett would announce some of the upcoming matches. I was mad young but i remember being glued to the TV to see what was the next match that was coming to Starcade!
Tonyillicit 2 years ago
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WrestlingsGreats 2 years ago
I'd rather watch these old videos of the NWA,they are more better than what the WWE and TNA currently have to offer.
360whiplash 2 years ago 6
Watching the NWA at 3pm on Saturdays, compared to wwf superstars on 10am on Saturdays, was like comparing prime rib to lunchmeat. NWA ruled over wwf. I love that thru youtube and wwe videos more wrestling fans are starting to notice what we knew all along. Woooooo!
wilbert916 2 years ago 4
I know, I use to tell all my friends who were WWF fans what federation was #1! Some of them thought the NWA was a minor league......I was like pleasssse!
Koolazzmike 2 years ago
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You didn't know shit. The WWF was a damn good product, and you're right, the WWF was prime rib, and the NWA was lunch meat. From the fan base, to production. If it wasn't for the fact that the wrestlers could put on a show the NWA would have been the total shits.
Lannis32 2 years ago
Ahhh. It seems like I hurt a hulkamaniancs feelings. Truth hurts don't it kid. NWA over wwf any day any time. Get outta here. Go watch hogan u loser.
wilbert916 2 years ago 2
I'd have to say that the WWF was better in terms of production value, but NWA wrestlers and matches out-performed them in ring activity, day in and day out.
mrbobbyh 2 years ago 27
@mrbobbyh boolshit
lstn74 8 months ago
Flair was the KING OF COOL. I would love to believe that sometime in my lifetime there would be another wrestler like him but I seriously doubt it.
MaZYooN88 3 years ago 21
@MaZYooN88 never again will there be a Rick Flair
praises9700 1 year ago
@praises9700 no, unfortunatly not,praises. I wish though that there would be.
Lovelygal71 1 year ago
wow when it was real ! :) or they made us believe really the good old days !
BertrandNCW 3 years ago 3
God those were the days! I remember wanting to be a Horseman. Still do. DX, The NWO, none of them can touch the original 4 Horsemen
buttheadsexy 3 years ago 3
The golden age of wrestling there. When I was growing up I lived for Saturday cartoons and Saturday NWA and Saturday World Wide Wrestling shows. NWA at 1 pm right after Saturday morning cartoons and World Wide Wrestling at 11:15pm right after the news with my dad (God rest his soul) watching with me. Those were the best days of my life and cherished memories forever.
LT1HILLINGHOE 3 years ago 4
Saturdays sure did rule back then. I loved Georgia Championship Wrestling from 6-8pm on TBS.
Gwertdog 3 years ago 4
yeah. I remember playing outside and running in to watch it at 6pm on TBS. Then my friends and I would try every move we saw on each other. I actually broke my arm trying to do a flying elbow off our picnic table. HAHA
dmoore76 3 years ago 2
must be time zones because i always remembered watching all this on tbs on sat round 6 and 7 i think on sun. i remember my granny whne she wasnt raisin hell because the braves were on she was rasin hellon ric flair lol
jbarbou3 2 years ago
yeah it was sat at 6:05pm to be exact. i grew up in ct and that is when it came on. i always ran in the house and jumped in front of the floor model tv to watch. much better than all the steroid actors in WWE nowadays.
dmoore76 2 years ago
dusty rhodes had the uglyest figure 4 leg lock in the history of pro rasslin!!!!
AllMightyDiesel 3 years ago
Love the NWA Pro music at the end!
yettibrad 3 years ago 2
I LOVED it when the Horsemen attacked Dusty.
RevDarkehorse 3 years ago
JJ was a real manager!
Dirrtysouth1 3 years ago
When they beat up dusty, I was ready to run outside and help him! Never Mind I lived in Cincinnati!
dp100eboggan 3 years ago
DUSTY SUCKED
1Lawman104 3 years ago
Talk about bad acting LOL!
pleomaxell 3 years ago
"It was a dispicable act... let's take a look!"
yugpud 3 years ago 6
I love it. I hate Dusty Rhodes
CoryByrd2006 3 years ago
I used to always wonder why the cameraman never put down the camera to help out but only after the 'cold shower' known as adulthood beset upon me did I realize why.
I want it to be 1988 again!!!!
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fede314 3 years ago
This shit used to terrify me as a kid. I used to say I hope the police get them 4 horsemen.
therealarkhitect 3 years ago 5
i remember seeing the 4 horseman attacking dusty in the parkinglot where they screwed up his hand, that had the same effect on me when i was a kid lol.
yogaman1919 3 years ago
I was traumatized by this too. My brother had to calm me down. I hated the Horsemen after that.
gjslaughter 3 years ago 2
I was the the same way. I thought I was the only one.
klgevolved 3 years ago
Hey, same here. I wish those days were back again. I wanted to be one of Ric's "Space Mountianetts" and of course apart of me still dose. Ahhh what if? hmmmmmmmm. ;)
Lovelygal71 3 years ago
I miss wrestling like this. Whatever happened to Jim Crockett? The First Blood Match was anything but an original idea by the WWE and this proves it.
Amr3561 3 years ago 5
What happened to carnage like that? I would like to do that to some people I know, lol....
0j0a0y0i0s0g0a0y 3 years ago
LOL... You can hear Dusty say "Break it", and then you see him say "break it good" or "make it good".
God, these angles were good, and the crowds were absolutely HOT for them.
MasterArcher 3 years ago 6
The glory days of wrestling. I loved the pro wrestling theme song at the end. Pretty funny when you could hear dusty at the end say "make it good!"
bull864 3 years ago 2
Does anyone have the music that was on the Starrcade '86 card on the end of this video?
DefLeppardVanHalen 3 years ago
This is a fucking angle
yessega 3 years ago
Say there Koufy,show DUSTY geting even with
them in a TagTeam Cage Match when NIKITA
KOLOFF at his side.After vince jr saw it,he
stolde this by making NIKALI VOLKOFF his good
guy Russian.
zisoul 3 years ago
actually Volkoff said i bad guy no more war is over, and jr. agreed
DAMNMorpheus 3 years ago
I heard that Jim Crockett will be on Monday Night Raw tonight!!!
SaleGuy 3 years ago
Did he actually show? I know this was a year ago. I would have liked to see it.
Koolazzmike 2 years ago
Two thumbs up to this comment.
house5052 3 years ago 2
He hits him in the right leg then attacks the left leg.
ecuacuban 4 years ago
horsemen 4 life
bigscoobydan 4 years ago
Hey rasabduk, if you dont know who the "guy in the suit" is, you have no business watching these great videos from the golden age of wrestling. Let alone posting about them.
rsblaker 4 years ago
Yeah, it's his fault he wasn't into wrestling and/or born back then.
RichieEastside 4 years ago
All Im saying is if he is that into this particular video and the Horseman, he should know who the hell JJ Dillon is thats all. I wasnt alive in the 60's but I know shot JFK
rsblaker 4 years ago
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Then he shouldn't fucking comment on it now should he?
Lannis32 3 years ago
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Then he shouldn't fucking comment on it now should he?
Lannis32 3 years ago
the attack even in these kaybefabe free days i still find the scream disturing
JackReeve 4 years ago
you know, its funny that you don't think of these things as a kid, but wouldn't the cops have been called during the assault in the parking lot? Hahaha..
rsinghny 4 years ago
funny you should say that, when the Outsiders attacked Rey Mysterio and others in the parking lot on an epsiode of Nitro in '96, the cops were called by people who lived near the arena
razoramon989 4 years ago
Actually, it was mentioned on the Horsemen DVD that the cops WERE called.
Lannis32 3 years ago
my god that chairshot on the guy in the suit was without a doubt the fakest thing ive ever seen in wrestling today
rasabduk 4 years ago
Figure 4 leglock! Yes! Brutal!
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AustinKronix 4 years ago 2
Did anyone notice that Dusty attacked Tully's right leg but in the clip Tully's left leg was in the cast?
slickrick75 4 years ago
tully cheats ad hits dusty with a roll of quarters.
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Dhani55 4 years ago
fuck you you motherfucker
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bullyjoey 4 years ago
the voice over was really good
deepshadows86 4 years ago
correct me if i'm wrong, but in kayfabe terms, if the first blood match is not sanctioned by Jim Crockett promotions or the NWA, then how can the TV championship be on the line?
greyjdog 4 years ago
I think because even though the match wasn't sanctioned by JCP or the NWA, it still involves an NWA championship. Don't quote me on that, but that's my theory.
kndrd169 4 years ago
does anyone have the video where the road warriors attack dusty w/ the spike from the shoulder pads?
pcrossproductions 4 years ago
Did anyone hear Dusty yell out "Make it good" just before he got hit with the bat? It was still cool.
kndrd169 4 years ago
i caught it.
dooktango 4 years ago
The minute I heard Dusty say "Make it good" that ruined this clip for me! I taped this back in the day and noticed that blooper about the fourth time I viewed it with my buddies. Rhodes probably thought the sound wasn't being recorded because all the guys were cussing.
Still these were the glory days of wrestling.
wolfsblood07 2 years ago
LOL!!! Halle Berry in Monsters Ball - "Make me feel good!!!"
LOL
dariusdynamite 2 years ago
This was great! Thanks for posting. Brings back memories of some good times kickin back on Saturday nights with a brew and watching NWA Rasslin.
dsteelerdude 4 years ago
Rasslin'?
kndrd169 4 years ago
Do you have a video of Dusty Rhodes as the Midnight Rider? I would love to see that again.
mft1284 5 years ago
Do you also have the match between JYD and Ric Flair from WCW in 1990?
saanzacs 5 years ago
Please post video of the First Blood match.
Julius121081 5 years ago
do you mean an I quit match thats what N.W.A called it
Grunt6869 5 years ago
Gotta Love it.. Saturdays night kick ass...
themajtyka 5 years ago
Dusty and The Four Horseman. The original hardcore, this the begining this was some great stuff.
BlackRaven13 5 years ago
That's some old school shit right there man! I don't think I recall anything before '89. And the Four Horseman look like those cheezy villains you see in those corny 80's "badguy vs. goodguy" TV shows. I half expected them to run outside and jump in a helecopter to make a get-away.
If you have no idea what the hell I'm talking about, forget it, lol. Good vid. Thanks for posting.
Vladpryde 5 years ago
the hart foundation was wwf 1st answer to nwo..dont compare crap to platinum and diamonds jerk
elkonazo 5 years ago
I feel that nwa/wcw mid eighties were darker, violent and inspiration for ecw.
J5MARLON 5 years ago
HAHA I rememeber the saturday I first saw this footage. I have it on VHS. Great stuff!
tarim69 5 years ago
NWA ROCK ON!
FY69 5 years ago
this brings back so many memories. I actually remember this being aired.
TiminSE 5 years ago
The horsemen are the best group there ever was, is and ever will be....NWO, DX, Evolution, they are just a whole bunches of copy cats.
leedan74 5 years ago
Purehorsemen stuff
thedude19766 5 years ago
do u have starcade 87, please say u do, that's the best wrestling tape ever created
youngguru 5 years ago
Hootie-Hoo mankind2112,please copy your STARRCADE'86
video onto dvd & play all of it on TouTube for all of
the old school wrestling tradition fans & Thank You.
zisul 5 years ago
Hey,show the whole clip of Dusty hurting Tully's leg
Magnium is in the clip too helping Dusty.This happen
beore STARRCADE'86 then the 4horsemen break Dusty's
hand.Then Nikita teams with Dusty in cage match v's
Ole & JJ Dillon. Play that video..
zisul 5 years ago
Usually, it was Dusty gettin' the crap kicked out of him. Seeing Dusty smack him (and JJ Dillon) with a chair and clamp the figure four on Tully is something else...and Dusty didn't blade himself!
GoblinGirl 5 years ago
Who ever is posting all of this vintage NWA stuff please continue. That bastard Vince McMahon won't release any of the good video. Man, those were early days of the Horseman - I have Starcade '86 somewhere on tape.
mankind2112 5 years ago
Great stuff,sure hope you post more woooo
If not for the Horsemen,theyr'd be no Nwo Dx ect
the Horsemen were the best the rest were just imitators!
ed2kou1 5 years ago