@kathyyyyyyyyy It's one composition on the CD but due to its length divided into two parts. Youtube has upload contraints on size or length (time) so it had to be uploaded in two pieces. But, the composition itself consists of several distinct parts with a unifying theme connecting them. Listen carefully, analyze and you will hear the changes and the motif connecting them. This characteristic is "progressive" metal.
@95TurboSol No, it doesn't refer to itself to prove itself, but it is self-defeating! If there is a purpose to life (giving life purpose) then there is need for us to give it.
I get what you are saying, but it's not necessarily self-defeating. No where does it say that life gives itself purpose. Instead it says that what it means to be alive is to go find your own reason and be different; to give a second meaning to life. (At least that's how I interpret the lyric.)
Ah I see. Well it seems to me that if the meaning to life is to give it meaning then that is not really the meaning of life since it depends on me to define it. So the meaning is to make meaning yet I define that very meaning, but there was mysteriously meaning before I gave it meaning, which is self defeating lol, See what I'm saying?
What they should say instead is that there is no objective meaning to life, we are just to create meaning in life for ourselves. But that wouldn't be poetic :P
Well I think they could, but it would just be a subjective illusion, not really the meaning of their life. Someone could have the meaning of their life to win the super bowl and retire a millionaire, but that would not really be the meaning of their existence, it's just a subjective illusion. We ultimately run into big questions of God and the reality of "reality" here. I wasn't trying to get into all of that though, I was just pointing out the self defeating proposition.
@95TurboSol how is winning the super bowl and making millions an illusion? that can create a great life and a lot can be done with that money. it can even bring honor to your family, which is something worth living for, is it not? people used to want to die for honor, something that you dont see very much now days in America
Because it's made up in ones mind, not mind independent. Meaning in an objective sense presupposes intention, which is the property of a mind. If what exists is not untimately created and grounded by a mind in some way then objective meaning I think is impossibe. That doesn't mean someone couldn't deside to make the purpose of their life to bring honor to their family but it would be purely subjective in their mind not really the meaning of their existence in the objective sense.
@95TurboSol I agree with your assessment, but I think that you are mincing terms. :P The meaning of the statement "The meaning of life is to give life meaning" is probably just a catchier, poetic equivalent to "life has no meaning but what one gives it, and is good or better once given meaning."
" the meaning of life is to give life meaning" . . . HOOOONK!
Mestrerui44 6 months ago
@Mestrerui44 Honk? Honk. Honk.
MOTHERFUCKING HONK.
ZakkLamm 4 months ago
89 is my favorite number they said 85
thenight3d 10 months ago
This song is AMAZING! Ayreon's f**king epic!
DIABLOVT12 1 year ago
I think OP cut this song off right before the epic synth solo on purpose. douchebag =]
MrPhilionaire 1 year ago
The man who made this music is a musical genious.
Alex0014100 1 year ago
genial cancionnnnnn
me encanta
jukkadrummer 1 year ago
Two best lines anywhere "The meaning of life is to give life meaning" and "We're already if we don't try"
CallsignRaven1 1 year ago 2
Could someone please contact me to send me the whole file? Merci. =)
kathyyyyyyyyy 1 year ago
@kathyyyyyyyyy
Or is it in 2 parts on the cd to?
kathyyyyyyyyy 1 year ago
@kathyyyyyyyyy It's one composition on the CD but due to its length divided into two parts. Youtube has upload contraints on size or length (time) so it had to be uploaded in two pieces. But, the composition itself consists of several distinct parts with a unifying theme connecting them. Listen carefully, analyze and you will hear the changes and the motif connecting them. This characteristic is "progressive" metal.
jereuter01 1 year ago
I think if anyone's close to knowing what life contains, where the balance between our life and the unknown energy around us is
then it must be Arjen
RedAscendant 1 year ago
i love renskes parts :)
great song
Nobiag 1 year ago
wonderful... growling also in right spots! :D waiting for the next concept!
solipsis79 2 years ago
lucassen does de pianos?
whoever it is he's quite good
=)
AlexLococo 2 years ago
Must be the guy from After Forever, Joost van den Broek I think his name is.
KingBigBang 1 year ago
"The meaning of life is to give life meaning". Enough said...
Lapt3qC3r3al3 2 years ago 73
Épico... qué grande Lucassen...
Javicr1919 2 years ago
No. It's 42.
Yonada 2 years ago
concuerdo xD, ahora todo encaja, cuando es 7 por 6??
H3OLL2O1W 2 years ago
@Yonada What was the question again? :-D
KroxiGore07 1 year ago
@KroxiGore07 the meaning of life
CallsignRaven1 1 year ago
@KroxiGore07 It's from Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy
CallsignRaven1 1 year ago
@Lapt3qC3r3al3 We create our own reality.
whatever5004 1 year ago
Who is doing the growls? He is quite proficient, excellent! :)
WyattThePhyst 2 years ago 5
It's Jonan Renkse, Katakonia's singer. And his growls are great indeed.
fleskip 2 years ago 7
It's actually Katatonia. And yes, he is talented!
Noobaros 2 years ago
JORN!~
we in the Ayreon society have coined it the Jorn Growl.
igidaba 2 years ago
AWESOME! Have the album and just can't stop listening to it...
protpig 2 years ago 4
mitici Ayreon!!!!
Lendwin 2 years ago 4
Amazing song!
leeame1 2 years ago 4
OMG, Floor's voice between 3:14 and 3:22 is MEGA AWESOME!
jibber102 2 years ago 8
What does 89 mean? Cause that's what "01011001" means in binaries.
BloodTal0n 2 years ago 2
It's "Y" in some other crazy code, "Y" being the Forever's home planet.
WaffleCopter54 2 years ago 3
Alright. Thanks a lot! Calls for a bit more research for me but I'll get to it someday. :]
BloodTal0n 2 years ago
that crazy code is Ascii, and every time you use a keyboard, you use Ascii
vaesith 2 years ago 2
8=h
9=i
hi
froglord333 2 years ago
@froglord333 is that what the album means?
meowmastr123 1 year ago
I love that part between 2:15-3:22, that voice combination is great! I've never heard such a thing from Nightwish..
Lapt3qC3r3al3 3 years ago 6
Holy crap. That makes sense. "The meaning of life is to give life meaning." Wow.
YetiBrothers 3 years ago 111
I hate youyube for not letting me give you any more thumb-up :P
darkmidna 2 years ago 14
That's Arjen motto.
I live by it.
FormerlyMrBean667 2 years ago 9
I honorably copied this motto from Arjen, because it is so spot-on unlike anything I have ever read.
Another thumbs up from me :-)
Thystonius 2 years ago 5
@YetiBrothers
That's circular reasoning!
-Matt
95TurboSol 1 year ago
@95TurboSol No, it doesn't refer to itself to prove itself, but it is self-defeating! If there is a purpose to life (giving life purpose) then there is need for us to give it.
railfun 1 year ago
@railfun
Very astute! I should have used self contradictory or self defeating, good catch :P
95TurboSol 1 year ago
@95TurboSol
No, circular reasoning is a logical fallacy where something is proven by itself. This is just plain brilliant.
YetiBrothers 1 year ago
@YetiBrothers
It's actually a self defeating proposition, as railfun pointed out.
95TurboSol 1 year ago
@95TurboSol
I get what you are saying, but it's not necessarily self-defeating. No where does it say that life gives itself purpose. Instead it says that what it means to be alive is to go find your own reason and be different; to give a second meaning to life. (At least that's how I interpret the lyric.)
YetiBrothers 1 year ago
Ah I see. Well it seems to me that if the meaning to life is to give it meaning then that is not really the meaning of life since it depends on me to define it. So the meaning is to make meaning yet I define that very meaning, but there was mysteriously meaning before I gave it meaning, which is self defeating lol, See what I'm saying?
What they should say instead is that there is no objective meaning to life, we are just to create meaning in life for ourselves. But that wouldn't be poetic :P
95TurboSol 1 year ago
@95TurboSol
Life is different for each person, so why can't each person have a different meaning to life?
YetiBrothers 1 year ago 3
@YetiBrothers
Well I think they could, but it would just be a subjective illusion, not really the meaning of their life. Someone could have the meaning of their life to win the super bowl and retire a millionaire, but that would not really be the meaning of their existence, it's just a subjective illusion. We ultimately run into big questions of God and the reality of "reality" here. I wasn't trying to get into all of that though, I was just pointing out the self defeating proposition.
-Matt
95TurboSol 1 year ago
@95TurboSol how is winning the super bowl and making millions an illusion? that can create a great life and a lot can be done with that money. it can even bring honor to your family, which is something worth living for, is it not? people used to want to die for honor, something that you dont see very much now days in America
TheSweatyfatguy 8 months ago
Because it's made up in ones mind, not mind independent. Meaning in an objective sense presupposes intention, which is the property of a mind. If what exists is not untimately created and grounded by a mind in some way then objective meaning I think is impossibe. That doesn't mean someone couldn't deside to make the purpose of their life to bring honor to their family but it would be purely subjective in their mind not really the meaning of their existence in the objective sense.
-Matt
95TurboSol 8 months ago
@95TurboSol holy shit youre really smart hahaha
TheSweatyfatguy 8 months ago
@TheSweatyfatguy I'm not so sure about that...
1pa2ch 8 months ago
@95TurboSol I agree with your assessment, but I think that you are mincing terms. :P The meaning of the statement "The meaning of life is to give life meaning" is probably just a catchier, poetic equivalent to "life has no meaning but what one gives it, and is good or better once given meaning."
AvocadoRogue 11 months ago
Wow this song is amazing. P.S. I'm the 9001st viewer :P.
connor8001 3 years ago 4
this is so sweet:D
Lumin88 3 years ago 2
from 2:15-3:22 is the best part
ridethesky1 3 years ago
si que la es... tio... gran forma de acabar este disco...
setatubo 3 years ago
la mejor cancion del album
enkyler 3 years ago 4
Estoy totalmente de acuerdo, aunque River of time le sigue de cerca.
Javicr1919 2 years ago
the best of all song is jonas part :)
mortiis669 3 years ago 4
Cudowna piosenka :) <3
MonaTakToOnaHaHa 3 years ago
It's an amazing piece of music, and a great end for the album. You cant really judge this one by only itself, even though it is awesome nonetheless.
creenan 3 years ago 3
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I was a little upset, the final song is usually amazsingly epic, but this was average compared to the album. Still great but...
TheHollywoodV1 3 years ago
What are you talking about?!
This song is REALLY epic and there's so many different emotions in this song. I love it.
toggrok 3 years ago 26
not true!
0B0Eriec 3 years ago
Best record of Ayreon so far. Even better then "Into The Electric Castle". Offcourse I bought it, like all the other records of Ayreon!
wookie128 4 years ago 11
I just bought it, Solid Gold.
SebastianCova 4 years ago 3
Cool
TasteOfSteel 4 years ago 2
Thanks, thank you for putting it on....cannot wait for the CD. Music sounds great as usual:)
HannaHua 4 years ago