Any sense of Irishness felt by Prods then has been totally eroded by the IRA's campaign of bombing and murder.My dad (Prod) would tell anyone,when asked where he's from,that he's Irish.Never said it again after 1970.IRA killed the only man who would have given them the United Ireland they craved,but couldn't see the bigger picture.Nice job on Michael Collins - saved Our wee Ulster !.Ta' very much.Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams next please.
X-British Army Captain, Fred Holroyd, (MI 6) revealed details of Britains Dirty tricks in 6 Counties.
Brit tactics included Murders,Bombings,Framing of innocent victims, & Kidnappings
Holroyd said English (SAS), undercover military personnel licensed to Kill & ran spies.
1968- 1998 IRA killed 728 civilians & 1,000 british security forces, while Loyalist Paramilitaries killed 864 civilians (More than the IRA), British army killed 127 republicans,13 loyalists,2 RUC officers & 156 civilians
why did the rev ian paisley speek about a protestant province for a protestant people. as a scotsman george knows only too well about protestant and catholic enmity. divide and conquer is the name of the game and nothing divides like religion. ask any iraqi or iranian. the irony of it all is that the queen and the pope along with the US President are leaders of three city troica at the top of international freemasonary- the bildergerg group, illuminati etc linked inextricably. im irish also
why did the rev ian paisley speek about a protestant province for a protestant people. as a scotsman george knows only too well about protestant and catholic enmity. divide and conquer is the name of the game and nothing divides like religion. ask any iraqi or iranian. the irony of it all is that the queen and the pope along with the US President are leaders of three city troica at the top of international freemasonary- the bildergerg group, illuminati etc linked inextricably
Wise up yourself galloway. It started for real when prodastants burned catholic wemon and childeren out of there homes. When all the MEN WAS AT WORK the cowards
But this doesn't explain things like the Kingsmill massacre, where the Catholic was allowed to go free and the 10 Protestants were all shot dead. The Troubles were complex, but religious identity was a factor.
george is a legend i'd love to see him stand for election in the north,maybe in derry against that bigot campbell.....galloway would rip him to shreds.
Did you even listen to what was said in the video? The Unionists were fooled into believing the conflict was religious by the brits so their divide and conquer strategy would work. The conflict was never about religion, it's about ridding our country of british imperialism.
It wasn't about Catholics and Protestants to begin with but it certainly is now. Or rather it is about people who have to find something meaningful in their lives. Thankfully I think the majority of Northern Ireland has moved on after the Peace Agreement and realised that they can probably live their life just the same whether they are under British or Irish rule.
Galloway is a supporter of the British Union and recognises the independence of every nation in the world all except his own. He's a typical Brit left hypocrite.
Green on the outside, red white and blue on the inside George.
Green on the outside, red white and blue on the inside George.
@rolandsausage thats a typical Glasgow Celtic fan, all irish freedom but a unionist themselves because they vote labout "A UNIONIST PARTY" they want their cake and to eat it. They are part of the problem.
But he did say 'founders' ,not the most famous. I think you need to listen, especially when you actively click on a radio clip to 'listen'. Just a thought.
@basch2020 Hes right Wolfe tone,henry joy mcracken,etc formed the United irishmen and they were .....PROTESTANTS.....OH MY GOOOOOOD! AAAAAAAAAA.....You wise up and fuck religion just a bunch of bullshit.From a fellow irishman.
Yes, but religion made it worse. In Northern Ireland if you're born Catholic you'll most likely be a Republican, and if born Protestant you'll most likely be a Loyalist. The conflict of 1690 was religiously natured. The Orange Order are a religious organisation. Etc. etc.
Maybe you should read some history George, if you have time to spare from drinking fine wine and smoking expensive cigars, you champion of the proletariat you.
I really think somebody needs to show simply and clearly to the youth of Ireland how supporting violence will nolonger get us anywhere, while also letting them know that at one stage back in history it may have been needed and that those involved at the time can NOT be listed as terrorists for their actions.
for once I agree with Galloway, I'm Orange and say fuck the UK!! its never done us any favours, I think about the poor bastards cleared from the highlands, packed of to America, Australia and Canada, and all those poor bastards that suffered during the famine, England's not my friend and never will be!!
@celticraider1 your orange lol , well who just cleared the highlands , it was scottish lowland regiments mostly , the same scots who defeated bonnie prince charlie at culloden, and it was scottish landowners who cleared the rest of the highlands in the 1800s to, its english taxpayers that are keeping half of you lot up there , free prescriptions , free grants , id like to see you go it alone, scotland did very well out of the empire ,the rich fuckers and factory owners did,
the working class of scotland and england saw little of any riches , as for the famine , what were all the scottish MPs doing in parliament ,did they do anything, it was the british parliament not just the english parliament, your MPs were as guilty as the rest of them who did nothing
@TheMightOfTheEnglish here m8 the english ppls and the scotish ,ppls had it just as bad as the irish.depending on what country they were sent too
the parliament was just another way for ppls thinking they were safe
the queen /king didnt care weather ya were english scotish or irish ,only way we could stop it is all coming together and SAY no , enough is enough we are of free ppls fought long and hard for it we are now 2011,and still crying about the same shite,wheres has all the heros gone
@TheMightOfTheEnglish yes your right , but still was it not the ppls that turned thier heads while the rich fuckers and factory owners ,did thier worse? ppls let it get this way m8 same as they are doing now, aslong as they are ok , divide and rule
give this group a little something they shut up and do as they are told ,,,while the other side is getting murdered or stamped out,, so pay back is needed
Yeah Barry can only manage the three letter words. Speaks volumes of who you are, if you are quoting a stupid little dick with no education whatsoever.
No ,It was about evil British colonialism ,occupation and the oppression for centuries of the native Irish people and their struggle for basic human rights sometimes manifested in the armed struggle.If China had invaded Scotland 400 yrs ago the Scottish would be justified using whatever means to rid themselves of a foreign oppressor and occupier too or George would be speaking Mandarin now.
@THOMAS551535 northen ireland wos apart of the united ireland since celtic times so why dont the english fuck off back home u queer english basterrrrrrrrrrrddddddddd because you had your chance to treat irish people fair but you let them starve to death used them as cheap labour almost bankrupted the country after th 2nd and first world wars so u carnt get much worse than that
@pitsoth85 am from scotland u stupid prick fuk the irish people they should have done what they were told and they would be fine but no they had to fight so fuk them
@2491cc well if you wure brittish you wud still be brittish no matter were you liv 95% of northan ireland is irish 57% incuding my self of them support some republican group of some kind so that means tht most peeple in N ireland wont th english 2 fuk off home so why dont you stop fuking up the cuntry and go home YOU QUEER HUN CUNT
@pitsoth85 Are you thick? Only like 48% of people in Northern Ireland are irish! And I'm not English... Northern Ireland is as much my home as it is yours, regardless of nationality. I was born here, just like you, and i sure as hell ain't leaving. Live with it. It's not 19 fucking 70 anymore. Quit holding a grudge on something i never fucking did.
@pitsoth85 You are a fucking retard young man! You clearly arnt even from Northern ireland. For a start there is a majority of British citizens in N Ireland. Then there is quite a number of catholics that to remain British cause theres more oportunity. And i doubt very much 57% of people support Republicism you little bull shitting twat
@pitsoth85 You will find before this little thing happened the Irish catholics tried genocide on the protestant people 3-4 times. Hence a large military presence. So please you little turd read a book. TV tells lies
@pitsoth85 Ok am looking forward to hear this. We bankrupted Ireland during WW2? How about saving it from a certain German invasion. We let them starve to death you seem to forget Britain had quarter of the world to feed at that time. You are clearly sum bum fluffed IRA lover in west belfast so no pont arguing with you
@sammni what you talking about britain had quarter of the world to feed ,,had those counties not got food of thier own ,like grow it themselves ,what a load of balls.
@oceallaigh2003 You do realise Northern Ireland was formed to protect protestants cause when the republic of irelnd was formed they couldnt give a gaurentee of safety to them. You do realise that you silly little boy? You do also realise there was MANY attempts of genocide on protestant areas well before any massive numbers of military personel in Ireland?
@oceallaigh2003 hey scots need to remember also where they originally came from,
second after the irish helped them win against the english ,then knifed the irish in the back ,again irish against irish,scot owes ireland along with england ,,the english also need to be checking thier history of how they came about ,just like scotland and not the history they learnt in school ,england has they wrong royals wearing the crown,
Lets come away from the murders etc.............during the troubles and growing up you would have gangs of youths running around singling out other people and what was the question they asked before handing out a beating? Whats your religion.......are you a Hun or a Taig? That was the troubles for you. The fact that somebody on this here from Brum looks in and sees what they see Prod VCatholic clearly shows what people outside the box seen when they looked at things.
Sorry I havent asked you your religion nor am I interested in it. I have displayed cleary where both sides have murdered purely out of religious hatred. 155 murders by republicans are in the cain report carried out purely in a sectarian nature. You can talk of Wolfe Tone but the way republicanism was back then to what it became during the last troubles is a totally separate thing. I dont talk for Loyalists nor religious preachers...........I have given an account to what I wittnessed over here
Yes, I have heard of them hence my comment you thicko! How would an ignorant tosser like Galloway know more than me? Read up on the Penal Laws and the link that had to the United Irishmen.
Whow! Slow down here a minute! So the first republicans in Ireland were Protestant? First I've ever heard of that! The only Protestant republicans at that time were the United Irishmen, made up of Tone and his other Lundy's. Tone supportered mass murder if it was to drive the British from Ireland. The conflict has always have religous undertones. History proves me right. No amount of republican propaganda bullshite can change history!
Well, history does prove me right! The conflict in Ireland has always been about religion! Only people sucked in by republican propaganda think otherwise!
No religion wasnt the reason for the troubles................but religion was used to identify two sides.............religion was used to murder people. So religion was a major factor in the troubles.
religion was a factor - like the surnames/Christian names of the participants a little Quiz for you & the nice mr milltown 'Hell is not hot enough, nor eternity long enough for a Fenian' who uttered these immortal words ? Rev Paisley Rev William McCrae some other DUP/Rev Mr Jim Allister all wrong Answer - RC Bishop of Kerry, Dr Moriarty, in the 1860's right - religion was a factor
Thats what I said Religion played a major factor. Galloway is an idiot saying it didnt come into things. Prods were shot dead for being no less than Protestant............same goes for Catholics.........during the troubles by so called soldiers or what we as in the people on both sides seen as terrorists taking the war to the opposite side.
Religion was a cog in the machine for the troubles....used and abused. Galloway is a complete waste of space.........he hasnt a clue about this country
Thats what it was on the tin and from a republican perspective............what Im saying that due to the actions by both sides what people fought for and in the way the war was conducted religion played a major major factor in the decision to comitt a military response by both sides. Galloway can say he has Irish rlatives all he likes......just give you a God given right on knowledge of the subject at hand. I grew up through the troubles and know the impact of religion used in the troubles
You can go throught the many attrocites on both sides and pick out the many attacks motivated purely because of Religion. Look up Darkley Mission hall where protestants were murder whilst worshiping God.........Kingsmill where catholics were asked to walk down the road not to look back whilst republican gunmen emptied automatic gunfire into protestants for being protestants. Sean Grahams bookies where Loyaists massacred people because they were catholic........Rising Sun Bar also.......
What point Im making is that everybody can make statements of what the troubles were about.............but lets judge the actions of the troubles and the motivation for taking the struggle to the opposing side...............and what is that motivation 90% of the time religion. Its all there in the history of the troubles and having an idiot like Galloway trying to state what the troubles is about is completely misguided.
The Northern Irish conflict was one of two opposing Nationalisms British and Irish.
Its falling along religious boundries happened around th time of the easter rising when Presbyterians for the first time withdrew from Irish Republicanism which they brought to Ireland.
I would never ask a Catholic Belfastman to appologise for feeling Irish, as I (a protestant Belfastman) would never appologise for feeling British.
How wrong can this guy be, it was hugely about Religion, yes it was about British and Irish but the fact is that all 95% of Protestants are Unionists and during the troubles nearlu 85% of Catholics were Nationalists, the murders, bombings and killings were carryied out on people becuase of their religion, tens of thousands fled their homes becuase they were forced out becuase of their religion!
too bad that most of the sectarian killings were done to innocent catholics and protestants. killings were organizations such as the UVF, UFF, and IRA would go into pubs, people's homes, or take people off buses and shoot members of the opposite religion simply because of their religion. Seems like Galloway, as usual, is content on wrongly simplifying what is a much more complex problem, to further his own sadly simplistic political ideas.
random people taken off a bus and executed because of their religion? where are you getting your info? The IRA regarded Ulster protestants as misguided Irish men and had a policy of trying not to target working class protestant people. Often they had 'to be seen' to retaliate by killing UVF members etc but not just normal protestant people.. I'm not of course defending this, just telling you the facts
Obviously you have never heard of the kingsmill massacre then... Wikipedia it. The IRA were nothing but murdering scum. A hell of a lot of people were murdered due to just being protestants.
yes but you make it sound like it came out of nothing. i dont agree with it but as i said, the IRA got dragged into tit-for-tat and revenge killings. this was a revenge killing for catholics killed by the UVF. unfortunately!
And though I don't agree with it, the UVF were getting revenge for protestants killed by the IRA. Whether or not they were police or whatever is pretty much irrelevant, I have friends in the police and I wouldn't think it any more fair to kill them than any "normal" member of society. Anyway, thank god it's all over!!
i imagine we are from very different political mindsets. i am a republican and am unashamed to admit that. but i will agree with that last sentence in your post. thank god it's all over! :)
Galloway didn't debunk anything he simply made a statement. If ALL the founders of Irish Republicanism were in fact Protestant then I suggest you provide evidence to back this in the notes section, if you have any.
Well its true ya twat. Woilf Tone the founding father of Irish Republicanism was a protestant. Also the IRA & INLA had countless numbers of protestants also many members of the IRA army council
LOL no need for the name calling. If you actually read my comment I simply ask to see the evidence. TomBarry showed me a video and yes I understand that some (though not ALL) of the founders of Irish Republicanism were in fact Protestant, although Im not convinced this bares any relevance on the situation today.
Read up on the United Irishmen, they founded militant republicanism in Ireland. Their 1st meeting was attended by Wolfe Tone, Thomas Russell, William Sinclair, Henry Joy McCracken, Samuel Neilson, Henry Haslett, Gilbert McIlveen, William Simms, Robert Simms, Thomas McCabe and Thomas Pearce. All were Protestant.
how can you name present day IRA when we don't know who they are? But I do know that Padraig Pearse's father was a protestant. As was Constance Marcievicz. both of whom who fought in the 1916 rising
part catholic and part british? that's a stupid comment. there are loads of catholic british people.....again you bring things down to religion when they are really bout political beliefs
My family Irish Republicanism go back generations. Grandfather in the Easter Rising. Parents in Civil Rights Association in the 60's. Our home was petrol bombed by Paisleyite thugs.Paisley's paper called us "Romanist sympathisers Republican apologists"
Many protestants were involved - the brits wanted to divide & rule so resurrected Carsons earlier monster of sectarianism and Paisley/orange bigots helped polarise the north stoking fear.
I'm gonna stop commenting on this thread. Too many unsavoury characters that leave frivolous jokes on each others pages about a 49 yr old family man being killed by a teenager and Pizza delivery drivers etc. All very depressing.
The civil rights movement wasn't nationalist or republican in the slightest, it involved people from every part of society, though the ra hijacked it for their own purposes.
Fuck religion, causes so much hatred, and N.Ireland IS the perfect example along with Egypt.
tcpgblizzard 2 weeks ago
@RaymondLikesMen everything was to the left of hitler O.o
kargwain187 2 weeks ago
Indeed James Connelly was probably an atheist.
RevengeofToaster 1 month ago
Galloway is a sociopathic dwarf.
karezza6 1 month ago
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WAXY950 1 month ago
@JamesDonnelly90 You are so right. I am protestant and i hate my own self.
NickerSkids 5 months ago
Go play kitty in the Big Brother House you stupid little man!
cozener1 6 months ago
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WAXY950 1 month ago
Any sense of Irishness felt by Prods then has been totally eroded by the IRA's campaign of bombing and murder.My dad (Prod) would tell anyone,when asked where he's from,that he's Irish.Never said it again after 1970.IRA killed the only man who would have given them the United Ireland they craved,but couldn't see the bigger picture.Nice job on Michael Collins - saved Our wee Ulster !.Ta' very much.Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams next please.
strongarmofthepaw 7 months ago
X-British Army Captain, Fred Holroyd, (MI 6) revealed details of Britains Dirty tricks in 6 Counties.
Brit tactics included Murders,Bombings,Framing of innocent victims, & Kidnappings
Holroyd said English (SAS), undercover military personnel licensed to Kill & ran spies.
1968- 1998 IRA killed 728 civilians & 1,000 british security forces, while Loyalist Paramilitaries killed 864 civilians (More than the IRA), British army killed 127 republicans,13 loyalists,2 RUC officers & 156 civilians
StSimonMartyr 5 months ago
yeah john... wise up son! hahah
Brandywellbhoy 8 months ago
why did the rev ian paisley speek about a protestant province for a protestant people. as a scotsman george knows only too well about protestant and catholic enmity. divide and conquer is the name of the game and nothing divides like religion. ask any iraqi or iranian. the irony of it all is that the queen and the pope along with the US President are leaders of three city troica at the top of international freemasonary- the bildergerg group, illuminati etc linked inextricably. im irish also
larrydelamb 9 months ago
why did the rev ian paisley speek about a protestant province for a protestant people. as a scotsman george knows only too well about protestant and catholic enmity. divide and conquer is the name of the game and nothing divides like religion. ask any iraqi or iranian. the irony of it all is that the queen and the pope along with the US President are leaders of three city troica at the top of international freemasonary- the bildergerg group, illuminati etc linked inextricably
larrydelamb 9 months ago
Exactly right George, from an Irishman!
countsmyth 9 months ago
"John wise up son"
welshhibby 11 months ago
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If it was not an issue in the conflict, then why were innocent people murdered simply because of their religious background?
tomd2103 1 year ago
@ttiiyy. Hahahahahaha u idiot. Try kicking up to 100..000000 irish americans outta america. What a stupid comment. You are a uneducated fool
Ballyhook 1 year ago
@Ballyhook im ashmed to see that many irishmen of mine in america is there?
after all we only would of needed 10,000 job done but nooooooooo im ok jack
MtEVALs 10 months ago
Wise up yourself galloway. It started for real when prodastants burned catholic wemon and childeren out of there homes. When all the MEN WAS AT WORK the cowards
Ballyhook 1 year ago
But this doesn't explain things like the Kingsmill massacre, where the Catholic was allowed to go free and the 10 Protestants were all shot dead. The Troubles were complex, but religious identity was a factor.
oliness 1 year ago
george is a legend i'd love to see him stand for election in the north,maybe in derry against that bigot campbell.....galloway would rip him to shreds.
totes32 1 year ago
I can't believe it, but I actually agree with Galloway
hoserPhalanx 1 year ago
Isn't this the bloke that dressed up as a cat? Then pretended to be a cat?
So George Galloway supports a united Ireland?
George Galloway is a Marxist, who supported Saddam Hussein and supports the PLO.
The bloke is full of shit and biscuits.
AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
lol this just shows how much bullshit BBC NEWS talked and many british people believed it,
papadoc711 1 year ago
fair play galloway,he talk some shit now and again but at least he knows what hes on about.
BlackIrish1916 1 year ago
Religion has ruined NI in the past but we cant let it do that anymore... at least most people arent using violence to get there points across now.
Bwmz 1 year ago
@Bwmz
Did you even listen to what was said in the video? The Unionists were fooled into believing the conflict was religious by the brits so their divide and conquer strategy would work. The conflict was never about religion, it's about ridding our country of british imperialism.
RepublicOf32 1 year ago
All Religion = Delusional Thinking, Period! Wake Up, its 2010!
48alfaone 1 year ago 2
It wasn't about Catholics and Protestants to begin with but it certainly is now. Or rather it is about people who have to find something meaningful in their lives. Thankfully I think the majority of Northern Ireland has moved on after the Peace Agreement and realised that they can probably live their life just the same whether they are under British or Irish rule.
Bawsak17 1 year ago
@Bawsak17
No, it's only to do with religion if you're a Loyalist. This conflict has never been about religion.
RepublicOf32 1 year ago
Oh yes ! religion causes war. Not only in Ireland but all over the world !
DinoLucca1 1 year ago
Galloway is a supporter of the British Union and recognises the independence of every nation in the world all except his own. He's a typical Brit left hypocrite.
Green on the outside, red white and blue on the inside George.
rolandsausage 1 year ago
Green on the outside, red white and blue on the inside George.
@rolandsausage thats a typical Glasgow Celtic fan, all irish freedom but a unionist themselves because they vote labout "A UNIONIST PARTY" they want their cake and to eat it. They are part of the problem.
Soar na H-Alba.
seonidh 1 year ago
A lot of Irish immigrants in the US are really emotional about this.
I hope our government will send them back.
I'm not a big of UK, but the UK can provide the US the kind of the military support that Ireland never can.
Irish do not like America and will never help America.
Brave Americans need to get the courage to kick the Irish out of America.
ttiiyy 1 year ago
First time I agree with Galloway.
Jewchai 1 year ago
Eamon De Valera, Michael Collins and Daniel O'Connell are the 3 most famous Irish nationalists of the union era...
None of them were protestant... wise up Galloway
basch2020 1 year ago
@basch2020
But he did say 'founders' ,not the most famous. I think you need to listen, especially when you actively click on a radio clip to 'listen'. Just a thought.
jamboliboli 1 year ago
@basch2020 Hes right Wolfe tone,henry joy mcracken,etc formed the United irishmen and they were .....PROTESTANTS.....OH MY GOOOOOOD! AAAAAAAAAA.....You wise up and fuck religion just a bunch of bullshit.From a fellow irishman.
jimmy27paul 1 year ago 3
@jimmy27paul
Religion causes wars.
tcpgblizzard 2 weeks ago
Yes, but religion made it worse. In Northern Ireland if you're born Catholic you'll most likely be a Republican, and if born Protestant you'll most likely be a Loyalist. The conflict of 1690 was religiously natured. The Orange Order are a religious organisation. Etc. etc.
Maybe you should read some history George, if you have time to spare from drinking fine wine and smoking expensive cigars, you champion of the proletariat you.
R0undAboutMidnight 1 year ago
I really think somebody needs to show simply and clearly to the youth of Ireland how supporting violence will nolonger get us anywhere, while also letting them know that at one stage back in history it may have been needed and that those involved at the time can NOT be listed as terrorists for their actions.
philyfree 2 years ago 2
for once I agree with Galloway, I'm Orange and say fuck the UK!! its never done us any favours, I think about the poor bastards cleared from the highlands, packed of to America, Australia and Canada, and all those poor bastards that suffered during the famine, England's not my friend and never will be!!
celticraider1 2 years ago 32
@celticraider1 fair fucks
Cockel100 1 year ago
very true.
there was signs saying "no blacks, no irish, no dogs".
and yet we are supposed to now believe we are as white as anyone else and that history never took place and black people was the only slaves.
topbluffa1 1 year ago
@celticraider1 ur no orange so dnt give us ur shit
THOMAS551535 1 year ago
@THOMAS551535 One day young man you and others will realise your enemy is in fact your brother!
celticraider1 1 year ago
@THOMAS551535 my brothers have my back and i have theirs its us that will still be standing wen the shit hits the fan
whats ur view on catholics fighting in the british army??
THOMAS551535 1 year ago
England should should get attacked in WW3 along with America, France and Denmark!
HateFenians 1 year ago
@celticraider1 sorry we funded your 70% public sector we are so evil.
MrGilles1990 1 year ago
@celticraider1 your orange lol , well who just cleared the highlands , it was scottish lowland regiments mostly , the same scots who defeated bonnie prince charlie at culloden, and it was scottish landowners who cleared the rest of the highlands in the 1800s to, its english taxpayers that are keeping half of you lot up there , free prescriptions , free grants , id like to see you go it alone, scotland did very well out of the empire ,the rich fuckers and factory owners did,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 11 months ago
the working class of scotland and england saw little of any riches , as for the famine , what were all the scottish MPs doing in parliament ,did they do anything, it was the british parliament not just the english parliament, your MPs were as guilty as the rest of them who did nothing
TheMightOfTheEnglish 11 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish here m8 the english ppls and the scotish ,ppls had it just as bad as the irish.depending on what country they were sent too
the parliament was just another way for ppls thinking they were safe
the queen /king didnt care weather ya were english scotish or irish ,only way we could stop it is all coming together and SAY no , enough is enough we are of free ppls fought long and hard for it we are now 2011,and still crying about the same shite,wheres has all the heros gone
MtEVALs 10 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish yes your right , but still was it not the ppls that turned thier heads while the rich fuckers and factory owners ,did thier worse? ppls let it get this way m8 same as they are doing now, aslong as they are ok , divide and rule
give this group a little something they shut up and do as they are told ,,,while the other side is getting murdered or stamped out,, so pay back is needed
MtEVALs 10 months ago
@celticraider1 well why didnt ya say that before ,we could of ended this shite ages ago
so is there anymore that feel the same way you do where you live,,and hello orangeman ,im mr greenman lol
what ever stopped us saying to the queen to go fuck herself , and left us alone to work it out for ourselves
all we ever wanted was to be equals in the land of our births,just that alot didnt wannt give back the land they stold
MtEVALs 10 months ago
@celticraider1 your names celtic raider and you say your orange i fucking doubt that ye gay tention seeking queer
MRAK47ification 10 months ago
@celticraider1 so ur an orange celtic raider?
swissroll82able 3 months ago
@celticraider1
N.IReland relies on England! lol
tcpgblizzard 2 weeks ago
as barry ferguson would say FUD
kennylvscharis 2 years ago
@kennylvscharis
Yeah Barry can only manage the three letter words. Speaks volumes of who you are, if you are quoting a stupid little dick with no education whatsoever.
jamboliboli 1 year ago
No ,It was about evil British colonialism ,occupation and the oppression for centuries of the native Irish people and their struggle for basic human rights sometimes manifested in the armed struggle.If China had invaded Scotland 400 yrs ago the Scottish would be justified using whatever means to rid themselves of a foreign oppressor and occupier too or George would be speaking Mandarin now.
oceallaigh2003 2 years ago 22
@oceallaigh2003 if u dnt like britian get to fuck out then stupid cunts
THOMAS551535 1 year ago
@THOMAS551535 northen ireland wos apart of the united ireland since celtic times so why dont the english fuck off back home u queer english basterrrrrrrrrrrddddddddd because you had your chance to treat irish people fair but you let them starve to death used them as cheap labour almost bankrupted the country after th 2nd and first world wars so u carnt get much worse than that
pitsoth85 1 year ago
@pitsoth85 am from scotland u stupid prick fuk the irish people they should have done what they were told and they would be fine but no they had to fight so fuk them
THOMAS551535 1 year ago
@pitsoth85 The British people in Northern Ireland are not english, you uneducated, potato munching cunt.
2491cc 1 year ago
@2491cc well if you wure brittish you wud still be brittish no matter were you liv 95% of northan ireland is irish 57% incuding my self of them support some republican group of some kind so that means tht most peeple in N ireland wont th english 2 fuk off home so why dont you stop fuking up the cuntry and go home YOU QUEER HUN CUNT
pitsoth85 1 year ago
@pitsoth85 Are you thick? Only like 48% of people in Northern Ireland are irish! And I'm not English... Northern Ireland is as much my home as it is yours, regardless of nationality. I was born here, just like you, and i sure as hell ain't leaving. Live with it. It's not 19 fucking 70 anymore. Quit holding a grudge on something i never fucking did.
2491cc 1 year ago
@pitsoth85 You are a fucking retard young man! You clearly arnt even from Northern ireland. For a start there is a majority of British citizens in N Ireland. Then there is quite a number of catholics that to remain British cause theres more oportunity. And i doubt very much 57% of people support Republicism you little bull shitting twat
sammni 1 year ago
@pitsoth85 You will find before this little thing happened the Irish catholics tried genocide on the protestant people 3-4 times. Hence a large military presence. So please you little turd read a book. TV tells lies
sammni 1 year ago
@sammni BOLLOX, FUCK OFF
MrLeggy11 1 year ago
@pitsoth85 Ok am looking forward to hear this. We bankrupted Ireland during WW2? How about saving it from a certain German invasion. We let them starve to death you seem to forget Britain had quarter of the world to feed at that time. You are clearly sum bum fluffed IRA lover in west belfast so no pont arguing with you
sammni 11 months ago
@sammni what you talking about britain had quarter of the world to feed ,,had those counties not got food of thier own ,like grow it themselves ,what a load of balls.
MtEVALs 10 months ago
@oceallaigh2003 You do realise Northern Ireland was formed to protect protestants cause when the republic of irelnd was formed they couldnt give a gaurentee of safety to them. You do realise that you silly little boy? You do also realise there was MANY attempts of genocide on protestant areas well before any massive numbers of military personel in Ireland?
sammni 1 year ago
@oceallaigh2003 hey scots need to remember also where they originally came from,
second after the irish helped them win against the english ,then knifed the irish in the back ,again irish against irish,scot owes ireland along with england ,,the english also need to be checking thier history of how they came about ,just like scotland and not the history they learnt in school ,england has they wrong royals wearing the crown,
MtEVALs 10 months ago
Galloway is right. Wolfe Tone - Presbyterian. Isaac Butt - Protestant. Charles Stewart Parnell - Protestant.
GerryDisthename 2 years ago 8
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un-education? In what way? Because i hate the prick? So hate means i am un-educated? Haha, get real.
SixteenNinety1690 2 years ago
cock
SixteenNinety1690 2 years ago
Expected comment!!! Uneducation wont get you anywhere
FezzyBhoy 2 years ago
you haven'nt seen finn yet finn mc,cool is awful strong
jlfc1 2 years ago
Lets come away from the murders etc.............during the troubles and growing up you would have gangs of youths running around singling out other people and what was the question they asked before handing out a beating? Whats your religion.......are you a Hun or a Taig? That was the troubles for you. The fact that somebody on this here from Brum looks in and sees what they see Prod VCatholic clearly shows what people outside the box seen when they looked at things.
Steamreturnsagain 2 years ago
you may be in a position to know what motivates unionists/loyalists
some of em do talk a lot about religion & the bible
& they elect Rev bigots like Rev Paisley/McCrae
but you sure don't understand Irish nationalism/republicanism
it was defined by Wolfe Tone in the 1790's
& to date - only 26 of the 32 counties of Irelandare free of English rule
don't know why you want to know my religion
ok - my parents baptised me as a RC
otherwise i wouldn't have applied for membership
mangaire1 2 years ago
Sorry I havent asked you your religion nor am I interested in it. I have displayed cleary where both sides have murdered purely out of religious hatred. 155 murders by republicans are in the cain report carried out purely in a sectarian nature. You can talk of Wolfe Tone but the way republicanism was back then to what it became during the last troubles is a totally separate thing. I dont talk for Loyalists nor religious preachers...........I have given an account to what I wittnessed over here
Steamreturnsagain 2 years ago
because you were likely to be republican if you were catholic and unionist if you were protestant, i myself am republican and atheist
IrelandRaven 2 years ago 3
I'm Atheist and Loyalist.
grobo11 2 years ago
@grobo11
I bet you're overweight and drink vinegar in the morning as well.
jamboliboli 1 year ago
@jamboliboli OH WOW! WHAT A FANTASTIC INSULT!!!!!!! What next? I'm bald and eat toe nail clippings?
grobo11 1 year ago
Only people sucked in by republican bullshit think the Irish conflict has never had anything to do with religion.
3downatmilltown 2 years ago
So according to him. Irish Republicansim was formed by Protestant settlers?
What a cunt! I bet he licks his own balls when he plays pussy!
3downatmilltown 2 years ago
3downatmilltown :
you seem to be the typical crude, profane, ignorant Irish british loyalist
have you not head of Wolfe Tone, Robert Emmett, Henry Joy McCracken, Henry Munro ...
not very gaelic irish names, you might agree
but reveered by generations of irish republicans
don't you feel ashamed that Galloway, a Scotsman, knows more about Irish history, than an Irishman, like you ??
& unlike you - he does not need to use peofane language, to express his point of view
mangaire1 2 years ago
Yes, I have heard of them hence my comment you thicko! How would an ignorant tosser like Galloway know more than me? Read up on the Penal Laws and the link that had to the United Irishmen.
3downatmilltown 2 years ago
mr milltown
i know a bit about the penal laws
but Galloway's point was that that the Irish 'troubles' was not about religion, but about the independence of Ireland from England
& that the Irish Republicanism was founded in the 1790's, mainly by Protestants
he's 100% correct & no nmaecalling changes that
& the objective of those Republicans, as expressed by Wolfe Tone was -
to break the connection with England
& unite the Catholic, Protestant & Dissenter
mangaire1 2 years ago
Whow! Slow down here a minute! So the first republicans in Ireland were Protestant? First I've ever heard of that! The only Protestant republicans at that time were the United Irishmen, made up of Tone and his other Lundy's. Tone supportered mass murder if it was to drive the British from Ireland. The conflict has always have religous undertones. History proves me right. No amount of republican propaganda bullshite can change history!
3downatmilltown 2 years ago
mr milltown;
ok - you don't seem to understand irish history very well
you say "The only Protestant republicans at that time were the United Irishmen"
correct &
The only Catholic republicans at that time were the United Irishmen
so what ?
& correct also - "The conflict has always have religous undertones"
so what ?
& you say "History proves me right"
is that meant to be a jolke ??
mangaire1 2 years ago
Well, history does prove me right! The conflict in Ireland has always been about religion! Only people sucked in by republican propaganda think otherwise!
3downatmilltown 2 years ago
mr milltown
"history does prove me right! "
anyone can say that
means nothing
silly man
mangaire1 2 years ago
Like I said, what the RCC say and what happens are two different things.
Ask the man who planted the bomb at Claudy.
3downatmilltown 2 years ago
No religion wasnt the reason for the troubles................but religion was used to identify two sides.............religion was used to murder people. So religion was a major factor in the troubles.
Steamreturnsagain 2 years ago
mangaire1 2 years ago
Thats what I said Religion played a major factor. Galloway is an idiot saying it didnt come into things. Prods were shot dead for being no less than Protestant............same goes for Catholics.........during the troubles by so called soldiers or what we as in the people on both sides seen as terrorists taking the war to the opposite side.
Religion was a cog in the machine for the troubles....used and abused. Galloway is a complete waste of space.........he hasnt a clue about this country
Steamreturnsagain 2 years ago
what Galloway said was that it was about Irish independence from England
& it has been from 1798 until today
& he's 100% correct in that
it's got absolutely nothing to do with theology or religious conversion
people were shot because of their religion, because of where they lived, because they played GAA ...
i don't agree with Galloway all the time
but he's a breath of fresh air - usually defending the underdog
he knows quite a bit about Ireland
he hs many Irish relatives
mangaire1 2 years ago
Thats what it was on the tin and from a republican perspective............what Im saying that due to the actions by both sides what people fought for and in the way the war was conducted religion played a major major factor in the decision to comitt a military response by both sides. Galloway can say he has Irish rlatives all he likes......just give you a God given right on knowledge of the subject at hand. I grew up through the troubles and know the impact of religion used in the troubles
Steamreturnsagain 2 years ago
You can go throught the many attrocites on both sides and pick out the many attacks motivated purely because of Religion. Look up Darkley Mission hall where protestants were murder whilst worshiping God.........Kingsmill where catholics were asked to walk down the road not to look back whilst republican gunmen emptied automatic gunfire into protestants for being protestants. Sean Grahams bookies where Loyaists massacred people because they were catholic........Rising Sun Bar also.......
Steamreturnsagain 2 years ago
What point Im making is that everybody can make statements of what the troubles were about.............but lets judge the actions of the troubles and the motivation for taking the struggle to the opposing side...............and what is that motivation 90% of the time religion. Its all there in the history of the troubles and having an idiot like Galloway trying to state what the troubles is about is completely misguided.
Steamreturnsagain 2 years ago
The Northern Irish conflict was one of two opposing Nationalisms British and Irish.
Its falling along religious boundries happened around th time of the easter rising when Presbyterians for the first time withdrew from Irish Republicanism which they brought to Ireland.
I would never ask a Catholic Belfastman to appologise for feeling Irish, as I (a protestant Belfastman) would never appologise for feeling British.
MrWilman79 2 years ago
How wrong can this guy be, it was hugely about Religion, yes it was about British and Irish but the fact is that all 95% of Protestants are Unionists and during the troubles nearlu 85% of Catholics were Nationalists, the murders, bombings and killings were carryied out on people becuase of their religion, tens of thousands fled their homes becuase they were forced out becuase of their religion!
51wins 2 years ago
Coming from a nationalist, George is right.
he can be an intelligent man.
mugmugmug11 2 years ago 3
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you can still stick your republic up your arse No Surrender
the truth is Protestants want nothing to do with with your failed experiment of a country
24582641 2 years ago
Do you know who Charles Stewart Parnell was?
officialPaze 2 years ago 2
I would thumb your comment down, ut I want people to see how retarded you are.
Bosco239 2 years ago
Religion plays no part in "the troubles whatsoever? Come off it. Religion is a tribal badge!
TetrahedralPete 2 years ago
too bad that most of the sectarian killings were done to innocent catholics and protestants. killings were organizations such as the UVF, UFF, and IRA would go into pubs, people's homes, or take people off buses and shoot members of the opposite religion simply because of their religion. Seems like Galloway, as usual, is content on wrongly simplifying what is a much more complex problem, to further his own sadly simplistic political ideas.
crazydharma 2 years ago
random people taken off a bus and executed because of their religion? where are you getting your info? The IRA regarded Ulster protestants as misguided Irish men and had a policy of trying not to target working class protestant people. Often they had 'to be seen' to retaliate by killing UVF members etc but not just normal protestant people.. I'm not of course defending this, just telling you the facts
Fiach2008 2 years ago
Obviously you have never heard of the kingsmill massacre then... Wikipedia it. The IRA were nothing but murdering scum. A hell of a lot of people were murdered due to just being protestants.
turnersterror88 2 years ago
yes but you make it sound like it came out of nothing. i dont agree with it but as i said, the IRA got dragged into tit-for-tat and revenge killings. this was a revenge killing for catholics killed by the UVF. unfortunately!
Fiach2008 2 years ago
And though I don't agree with it, the UVF were getting revenge for protestants killed by the IRA. Whether or not they were police or whatever is pretty much irrelevant, I have friends in the police and I wouldn't think it any more fair to kill them than any "normal" member of society. Anyway, thank god it's all over!!
turnersterror88 2 years ago
i imagine we are from very different political mindsets. i am a republican and am unashamed to admit that. but i will agree with that last sentence in your post. thank god it's all over! :)
Fiach2008 2 years ago
Wow John in Birmingham is a complete moron
MarkyMarkDCU 2 years ago
Wolfe Tone - Father of Irish Republicanism - Leader of the 1798 Rebellion - Died for Ireland's Freedom - Protestant.
community647 3 years ago 2
wise up john u fuckin wanker
LondonIrish707 3 years ago 4
good man george, tellin it as it is. highlight the ignorance of the sectarian and racist bigots. forward to the socialist republic.
larrycake1981 3 years ago 2
Galloway didn't debunk anything he simply made a statement. If ALL the founders of Irish Republicanism were in fact Protestant then I suggest you provide evidence to back this in the notes section, if you have any.
anyfekinnamewilldo 3 years ago
Well its true ya twat. Woilf Tone the founding father of Irish Republicanism was a protestant. Also the IRA & INLA had countless numbers of protestants also many members of the IRA army council
crinnigan07 3 years ago 3
LOL no need for the name calling. If you actually read my comment I simply ask to see the evidence. TomBarry showed me a video and yes I understand that some (though not ALL) of the founders of Irish Republicanism were in fact Protestant, although Im not convinced this bares any relevance on the situation today.
anyfekinnamewilldo 3 years ago
Alright mate sorry about the name calling. Although your wrong there are still quite a few Irish soldiers that are protestant.
crinnigan07 3 years ago
Read up on the United Irishmen, they founded militant republicanism in Ireland. Their 1st meeting was attended by Wolfe Tone, Thomas Russell, William Sinclair, Henry Joy McCracken, Samuel Neilson, Henry Haslett, Gilbert McIlveen, William Simms, Robert Simms, Thomas McCabe and Thomas Pearce. All were Protestant.
IrishRepubIicanArmy 3 years ago
Interesting. How many modern day IRA are Protestant? Can you name them?
anyfekinnamewilldo 3 years ago
how can you name present day IRA when we don't know who they are? But I do know that Padraig Pearse's father was a protestant. As was Constance Marcievicz. both of whom who fought in the 1916 rising
Fiach2008 3 years ago
We also say the Paisley is the son of a catholic - so he's part catholic and british - interesting
bobbyrouge 2 years ago
part catholic and part british? that's a stupid comment. there are loads of catholic british people.....again you bring things down to religion when they are really bout political beliefs
Fiach2008 2 years ago
and of course do not forget sam maguire big prod too
bobbyrouge 2 years ago
anyfekin..
Protestants have always been involved
My family Irish Republicanism go back generations. Grandfather in the Easter Rising. Parents in Civil Rights Association in the 60's. Our home was petrol bombed by Paisleyite thugs.Paisley's paper called us "Romanist sympathisers Republican apologists"
Many protestants were involved - the brits wanted to divide & rule so resurrected Carsons earlier monster of sectarianism and Paisley/orange bigots helped polarise the north stoking fear.
TAL
RAGtagBAG88 2 years ago 4
I'm gonna stop commenting on this thread. Too many unsavoury characters that leave frivolous jokes on each others pages about a 49 yr old family man being killed by a teenager and Pizza delivery drivers etc. All very depressing.
But yes thank you for the information.
anyfekinnamewilldo 2 years ago
The civil rights movement wasn't nationalist or republican in the slightest, it involved people from every part of society, though the ra hijacked it for their own purposes.
turnersterror88 2 years ago
the last thing we need is another dumb hun sticking his uninvited, uneducated blue nose in to it,oh and look up the facts before you rant,next time.
two1irish 2 years ago
What do you know sunshine? Bet I have more of an educated basis for my opinion than you do. Educated people don't call others huns.
turnersterror88 2 years ago
i doubt that, rainman.
two1irish 2 years ago
Clever boy.
turnersterror88 2 years ago
..born that way..
two1irish 2 years ago
The root cause of conflict in Ireland is the British interference. Not religion
TomBarry192I 3 years ago 4
What religion were the Civil Rights" marchers in Derry??
deirdrec1 3 years ago
Ivan Cooper the main protagonist was protestant...why??
PS...George always tells it like it is!
phoenix1916 3 years ago 3
phoenix is right, the leader of the civil rights marchers was a protestant..
TomBarry192I 3 years ago 2
Learning all the time! ;)
deirdrec1 3 years ago
very complex lol
TomBarry192I 3 years ago
They were Catholics
irishtildadeathxx 3 years ago
Catholic and Protestant!
crinnigan07 3 years ago
good man george
peacefrog1916 3 years ago