@smallville160 So you wouldn't save people if you could? If after your whole life of lying down and taking crap you wouldn't once stand up and say no? That's exactly what the Doctor did here. He was sick of being responsible for once. He was sick of watching people die. It's just that his "no's" are more extreme than a normal persons.
The main reason I cried during this episode was because of how wrong he was.. I just couldn't stop thinking how much he really needs a companion. He can't be alone.
@RepercussionD7 Might be a bit late but there is a separate box set, Doctor Who The Specials which has David Tennants last 5 episodes on including this one
Thank you SO much for posting this! I almost cried. God Tennant is so emotional as an actor. I love Matt Smith but he just can't capture this kind of depth! The Tenth Doctor's story- "song-" is heartbreaking. He starts out so happy, but he loses more and more and here he snaps....... I never thought I could feel so much for a fictional character, particularly one you wouldn't typically count as relate-able.
he is a timeLORD....not KING of the universe........some things are meant to happen and some things you can't interfere with ...... timey wimey spacey wacey causey effecty....
I think the most tragic part of this episode is that the Doctor realised he had become that he hated and fought agaisnt his entire life. Someone who dismissed an individual human as a "little person" and sought to elevate himself about the rest of the universe a vengeful god rather than a benevolent protector.
This is when regeneration started. He went too far, he got ahead of himself. He believed himself to be supreme and then he realized what he'd done...oh God, I was so scared, it looked like he'd turned into a bad guy for a minute there...that was maybe the second scariest moment next to what happened in the episode Midnight...
I detest moffat. He has turned the show too "child friendly" I miss the episodes with sallee shooting everything. And things actualy happening. Now Matt smith is an ok doctor, but he has terrible plots.
@Puppetdragon44 Aw, well you can't really blame him for losing it. His entire life he's been forced to sit and watch people die when he's had - or at least thought he had - the power to save them. Anyone would snap after that. When people go through hard times in their lives they lie down and take it if it's for the best, but at least once they'll stand up and say no because they CAN'T take it. It's just that the Doctor's "no's" are more dangerous.
This episode was one of the darkest of the Tenth Doctor's episodes. The Tenth Doctor makes a genuinely fatal error, and that only heralds his inevitable doom.
2:52, just a little nitpick, but he wasn't saying that he personally decided people to be significant or insignificant, he was referring to their actions being significant or insignificant
In SotD/LotTL, the Master has on his side a vast telepathic network, a flying aircraft launcher, 6 billion Toclafane, the whole Earth. Doctor? One woman telling a story. (Well, MARTHA JONES telling a story)
To end the Time War, he destroyed probably the two most powerful civilisations ever, at the height of their power, both intent on killing everyone in the universe, alone.
If he went down that path, who could stop him? He can't. He musn't.
You know...if he hadn't realized he had gone to far and instead went back in time somehow prevented her from killing herself instead, and succedded without the whole of history being drastically altered, the Doctor would have started on a very dark path indeed.
Thank goodness he's got some sense in him! Dark Doctor is as scary or scarier than the master....D:
In my opinion, Adelaide killed herself for two purposes. 1: To continue history as it should be, her death having happened like always. 2: To show the Doctor that he does not control everything. He was having an idea that he was the final decision maker and she showed him no he was not. I believe right there and then he realized his mistake and that's why in the next episode he's fine because he learned straight away to not intervene like a god. His speech on Victorious freaked me out though!!
@smallville160 how is it Arrogant and selfish to try to save people? I find it rather Selfish on her part shooting her self robing her family of time with her
@Ninjasof42 Adelaide and the destruction of the mars base is a single fixed point in time, River Song and the doctors death are two fixed points simultaneously happening
Something i never understood, he changed a fixed point by making her die on earth and all that, yet in series 6 when river song doesn't kill the doctor everything screws up and all of time happens in one go?!
@Ninjasof42 - my assumption is that the doctor is more important than Adelaide, i would argue he's the most important man in all the universes together
@TheRedGoldfish And also, possibly it was just her death that was fixed, not how. I mean, who knows, she may have died just when the explosion occurs. The main point of it all, Adelaide's death, still happened and so when the location changed, the timeline simply adapted.
@Ninjasof42 there's also that the fixed point was her death, rather than the location. she needed to die in order to inspire her granddaughter. It didn't matter if she died on Earth or on Mars, as long as she dies in connection with the destruction of her base.
@Ninjasof42 When he alters time here he doesn't change his own timeline. I figure because he prevents his own death and considering how tied in to everything he is it's kind of a big deal.
@Ninjasof42 i think that's because of the fact that she still died the same day and still inspired her granddaughter's actions, there wasn't a real change...
@Ninjasof42 My guess is, that it's because in the end, he didn't change anything significant. He saved two people, like he saved that family in Pompei, but Adelaide still died. Sure, the details of her death might have changed, but she still died. It's like the Universe rewrote that bit of time; the Doctor changed things in a way that it couldn't go back to the original, so the timeline was rewritten ever so slightly, so that the Doctor couldn't intervene and the story essentially ends the same.
@Ninjasof42 I think its because that with Adelaide, her actions meant that she died after all, which would still cause the same overall consequence that her death on mars would cause and so the universe can compensate, while with the Doctor, the chain of events set off by him not dying at Lake Silencio caused Time to crash while trying to compensate
@Ninjasof42 The point, to me, was that Adelaide had to save the Earth by blowing up the Mars installation. Some sort of exterior force of time and space caused Adelaide to die then, still being a grand sacrifice and inspiring her granddaughter.
The Doctor is a different case, as he is behind so many events.
@Ninjasof42 my nerdy as shit response to tht would be that the time stream created still results in her death even though its later ... more importantly .. how did the sonic screwdriver work on wood?
@Ninjasof42 He didn't change a fixed point, though. He tried, and the universe fought back. By choosing to die, she restored the timeline, and "the small details were different" but the ultimate result was the same. That was the lesson he learned, at the cost of her life -- there are some things that not even Time Lord Victorious can change.
@Ninjasof42 think is he would have changed the fixed point by saving her but she commited suicide so the fixed point didnt really changed only the details of it.
@Ninjasof42 It all depends on the severity of the change...rose saving her father was a major change because it created a paradox...the doctor dying is a major change that could be felt across the universe. A minor change to eartths history isn't as bad at all, in fact the doctor makes minor changes all the time by his very presence.
Because she kills herself nothing important changes. Her grand daughter still goes into space trying to solve a mystery just one that has her grandmother dead on earth and not on mars.
I find it extemely approipriate that the episodes with the Master was right after this. I mean...if the doctor had continued on his train of thought...if adelaide had not shot herself...I mean, he had basically declared himself the master of time, and he kinda scared me. XD I was all : O Oh shoot, if the doctor starts going bad, we are all royaly doomed.
am i the only one feels that the reason this episode is so epic is because of this ending. i wont lie the episode in general was good the mosters were creepy, tennant and guest were great as usual but when i saw this ending i was at aw at how epic this was. this scene made the episode
I always loved this episode, but I felt it had one fatal flaw.
The doctor could have saved them all then taken them into the far future, the base blows up and by all accounts the same events occurred and the crew would be saved. Other than this I felt that this is one of the strongest episodes of Doctor Who.
this was my fav ep. and that's saying something cause i love them all so much. i just loved the concept of the doctor deeming himself ruler of time. this ending saddened me but as a whole the ep was amazing
I like how the cloister bell has different pitches, like in this episode, its as though it's telling the Doctor, "not much time left." But in Turn left, it was much deeper, like it was saying "Things are VERY not good."
@DoctorWhoRocks10000 - Don't forget it's the writers and directors that get actors to act a certain way, the doctor is also probably feeling angry learning that his current life is ending soon which he was told at the end of Planet of the Dead.
It's almost scary how much he was starting to sound like the Master. But with all those years, all that loss, all that knowledge, and most strikingly, all that power; is it any suprise that he would be a little twisted?
@bromixsr and that it took all this long for him to really lose it! He could have turned in to the master....if he had he would have been so much worse than the master i think. With all that he suffered from all those losses...i was surprised he did'nt crack earlier.
This scene is so sad. Shows perfectly how the doctor brought his death upon himself and how he thought he was in control of the laws of time, but wasn't. So the universe just couldn't let him do that. Also the track at the end is very sad and beautiful.
@tih2409 It really shows how he snapped after losing so much and he still lost much more after this happened. The laws of time were still in control despite what he thought. I think the moment after he saves her and then realizes what he's done is so heart breaking. He thought that by saving someone he admired that he would be boss of time but he couldn't control time.
Ten, I know Time Lord Victorious was your arrogance finally grabbing ahold of the power in front of you but couldn't you have taken the Mars crew to one of the billion other habitable planets, in this time or another, and left them there? You would've saved their lives, history wouldn't change(as far as the people on Earth know, they died on Mars), and you wouldn't have brought upon your own death.
I really, really liked this episode when I saw it on Netflix, I thought it was incredible. There was only one thought in my head during the suicide scene... "Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God..." Thats so terrible...
@Glendal1988 I disagree. The Doctor has lived a terrible life full of lose, he loses everyone he loves in the end. Having lost so much, but having power over time, so many would have rewritten things they shouldnt, but the Doctor never did. He kept all the pain and lonleness for the good of the universe. There HAD to be a time it all became too much and this was it. However, he quickly regreted it. I think this episode is a beautiful example of just how much the Doctor gives selflessly.
Timelord Victorious is probably the most terrifying moment of the entire series. I can handle any monster this show can throw at me, but the Doctor himself? Scares the wits out of me.
When I saw the suicide scene, at first I was confused what happened. Then when re-winded it with my DVR, I was literally scared out of my life! I was almost going to go insane, or cry!
@TheRedGoldfish No she shot herself because she knew that she should still die in her time stream. She shot herself because she knew she should always have died because her death is important to the whole world. It's nothing to do with revenge.
@thefartydoctor i love how writers seem to think some details are important but others don`t matter, for example adelaide dying on mars in a mysterious explosion inspires her daughter to go into space, but adelaide committing suicide on the earth, when everyone believes she still on mars, i don`t believe she would shoot herself, after all her death might stop her daughter from going into space, at least alive she could inspire her.
@scissorphilip Yeah, you're right. It's just stupid. But the writers will always say: "he's a Time Lord so everything's okay." but that's rubbish. Good ending but there should have been more consequences.
@TheRedGoldfish well i don't thinki it was revenge, it was more she was being brave and ensuring time followed its natural course or else shit wudda hit the fan
I think there are a couple things at work here. First: I think the writers were trying to show that losing Donna was the cataclysmic event that set him off the rails. The Doctor NEEDED Donna after Rose because she kept him in line. Secondly we see his panic about the prophecy of his death.
I keep thinking that this is the time "change" that has lead to the events that we are currently experiencing in series 6
The ending of this episode always gives me chills. We see what great and possibly awful things that the Doctor is capable of; we see that he's not "all good." That's what his human companions are for, to keep him grounded.
I hated to watch this scene so much, though it is wonderfully acted. He had lost everyone and I think he snapped, but when he did, he sounded like Rassilon, like the Master even. Running away from the Cloister bells, like a coward, acting like he's God. He knew time was fixed, but I think that after everything he had lost, he became careless and vulnerable, more so than when he lost Rose.
But for jest, thumbs up if it looked like Doctor possesssed by Venom for a moment. They are both aliens.
@5hutupl1nda - I agree, kinda. What I noticed about Moffat's style is that he focuses on the "love story" of the episodes he writes. It's ridiculous, really. If I wanted to watch a series based on a romance novel, I'd watch Twilight (which, by the way, is gross). Moffat is like a teenager writing fanfiction, not sci-fi.
@brigeboy95 differently. It's one thing to have a character with a crush on the doctor life Rose and Martha, or the Doctors Best Friend Martha. It's quite anouther the have a love triangle between the doctor and his companions the results in him marring the daughter of the other two. Actually it was taken right from the pages of the Twilight Sage and makes me furious. DAMN YOU TWILIGHT, YOU'VE RUINED DOCTOR WHO FOR ME!!! Serious, that storyline pisses me off so much. RTD was so much better.
@brigeboy95 Yeah, no. After meeting the Doctor Rose only wanted him; and Mickey was used simply as a plot device (there was no competition) and Cap'n Jack hit on everybody. And RTD did NOT take one of the sickest storylines ever and fanboyishly use it (I.E., he'll just marry their kid). It is directly from the pages of the twilight saga; and it is far inferior in writing and thought than the RTD storylines. Moffat has ruined the show for me, and I used to love this show so much.
@brigeboy95 Yeah, he put it that was because he screwed up. Shows change, sure; but look at the dedication of Star Trek fans. The problem is that Moffat has screwed up the show. You don't take "The mon who abhors violence" and turn him into a genocidal maniac the way moffat did with The Silence. Moffat purposefully ignored everything the Doctor had learned, and made us watch him screw up in even bigger ways that make no sense (like with the bragging). The writing is terrible and redundant.
@brigeboy95 And please, for the love of God; use proper grammar. For someone from the country that invented English, you don't seem capable of writing it properly. And sadly; I'd say Moffat's writing is little better.
@rpottage Why are you ignoring my last post leave the show ok leave it is not your show beeing nit picky about grammer just avoids the subject leave the show its no longer your show its a new gnerations show now!
@brigeboy95 I didn't ignore your last post. I made two posts, one addressing it and one addressing the Grammar. Scroll down, it's on this page now at the bottom so probably page two when you read this: it starts you with "yeah, he put it that way"
@CPTTAYLOR592 RTD revived the show. It was off air for 16 years before RTD showed up; that's not ruining that's saving. Ruining a show is when you rip off Twilight (I.E. Amy/Bella loves Rory/Edward, but she also loves the other species man Doctor/Jacob. But who will she choose? Alas, she must break the Doctor's/Jacob's heart for she is meant for Rory/Edward. But have no fear; they shall have a baby, and that Baby shall grow up to be the Doctor's/Jacob's wife; River Song/Renesmee.)
@rpottage Yeah but i did not like the thing with the doctor in love with rose. it was like a soap on bbc like eastenders. i did think he started off really well in season 1 and 2 but in season 3 and 4 it just gone crap but still i love doctor who.
God, was Tennants Doc whining about regeneration already? He didnt even wait until End of Time to get all weepy and emo. He is the only Doctor who made a big drama out of regeneration. Most fell off their exercise bikes or fell to the TARDIS floor - but no he has to give a big performance. Weakest Doctor ever...
@broadshoulder Even though we as fans knew otherwise, I think the Doctor thought he was actually going to die, not regenerate, (remember End of Time). I think therefore it would be sort of acceptable for him to get upset. He's not getting upset about regenerating, he's the Doctor, the Great Runner, running away from his mortality and his responsibility since he was 8. Always terrified, but in denial.
Can someone explain to me how he can be wearing that blue suit? I thought the human doctor was wearing that one when he went to the parallel universe...
@HomicidalUnikorn - I think he has multiple blue suits, he is seen varying his suit from episode to episode so i think it can be cleared up he has many blue/brown suits
@TheRedGoldfish This makes sense. I thought he only had one because he only wore blue after Smith and Jones, but being as he has a massive wardrobe, multiple suits makes sense.
@TheRedGoldfish Yes, I imagine that after the Doctor picks an outfit he likes, he creates many spares. I'm sure he has technology in the TARDIS to put Star Trek replicators to shame.
@celedam I will write I please how I please to write it thanks what r u OCD and who said my comment was worthwhile it's just me explaining Somthin about dr who nothing life changing
@bottery after rose fell into the alternate reality the doctor falls into a deep dark depression because at this point he realizes several of his companions have died others hate him others just what to forget him others just are gone and most of all his race is gone I mean let's face it the guys whole world just fell apart and then add the fact that about 68% of the universe wants him dead probably more no wonder he went mad
Does anyone know what the song is that plays during this scene? I really like the dark turn it takes around the 2:40 mark.
spideyfanatic93 2 days ago
This was my favorite episode of the whole series. So dark.
Noutchka 4 days ago
Oh my god lol I agree, I like him too but THIS is my Doctor Who XD
akatsukiawsome13 2 weeks ago
Such an unnerving scene, but so awesome at the same time.
ryanwilk0 2 weeks ago
Oh god... I like Matt Smith very much but everytime I watch a 10th scene I'm like "THIS is the Doctor"
keaneing 3 weeks ago 2
@smallville160 So you wouldn't save people if you could? If after your whole life of lying down and taking crap you wouldn't once stand up and say no? That's exactly what the Doctor did here. He was sick of being responsible for once. He was sick of watching people die. It's just that his "no's" are more extreme than a normal persons.
ForeverCharmed098 3 weeks ago
you know that they actually brought the flood to earth the gadget robot when through the water which means he's covered in the virus
0551E80Y 4 weeks ago
he's got a family now so this means nothing
0551E80Y 4 weeks ago
The main reason I cried during this episode was because of how wrong he was.. I just couldn't stop thinking how much he really needs a companion. He can't be alone.
Purufufuru 1 month ago
Hereee, why is this not in the series 4 box set? :( and theres other episodes missing! cant getn my finger on it.
RepercussionD7 1 month ago
@RepercussionD7 Might be a bit late but there is a separate box set, Doctor Who The Specials which has David Tennants last 5 episodes on including this one
wonga123456 1 week ago
Thank you SO much for posting this! I almost cried. God Tennant is so emotional as an actor. I love Matt Smith but he just can't capture this kind of depth! The Tenth Doctor's story- "song-" is heartbreaking. He starts out so happy, but he loses more and more and here he snaps....... I never thought I could feel so much for a fictional character, particularly one you wouldn't typically count as relate-able.
narwhal17 1 month ago
he is a timeLORD....not KING of the universe........some things are meant to happen and some things you can't interfere with ...... timey wimey spacey wacey causey effecty....
unclemarty70 1 month ago
I would have loved to see more of this "victorious" Doctor. I like seeing his dark side. Anyone else agree?
RoTMoHS 1 month ago
I think the most tragic part of this episode is that the Doctor realised he had become that he hated and fought agaisnt his entire life. Someone who dismissed an individual human as a "little person" and sought to elevate himself about the rest of the universe a vengeful god rather than a benevolent protector.
MrCCollins1993 1 month ago 5
This is when regeneration started. He went too far, he got ahead of himself. He believed himself to be supreme and then he realized what he'd done...oh God, I was so scared, it looked like he'd turned into a bad guy for a minute there...that was maybe the second scariest moment next to what happened in the episode Midnight...
ChelseCreek84 1 month ago
I detest moffat. He has turned the show too "child friendly" I miss the episodes with sallee shooting everything. And things actualy happening. Now Matt smith is an ok doctor, but he has terrible plots.
xxdanscottxx 1 month ago
@xxdanscottxx Moffat make good plots. he made the show better as it was in the old doctor whos. i know the eps are short but they really good
CPTTAYLOR592 1 month ago
That... Almost made me cry.
EroStrom 1 month ago
This is where the doctor really kick off. This is where he is heading to his regeneraton
CPTTAYLOR592 1 month ago
This is the only time that I have thought that The Doctor is a complete prick
Puppetdragon44 1 month ago
@Puppetdragon44 Aw, well you can't really blame him for losing it. His entire life he's been forced to sit and watch people die when he's had - or at least thought he had - the power to save them. Anyone would snap after that. When people go through hard times in their lives they lie down and take it if it's for the best, but at least once they'll stand up and say no because they CAN'T take it. It's just that the Doctor's "no's" are more dangerous.
ForeverCharmed098 3 weeks ago
That laugh at 2:46 scared the shit out of me...
thedarkenedwanderer 1 month ago
The valeyard begins
TheAs334 1 month ago
This episode was one of the darkest of the Tenth Doctor's episodes. The Tenth Doctor makes a genuinely fatal error, and that only heralds his inevitable doom.
hotelmario510 2 months ago
2:52, just a little nitpick, but he wasn't saying that he personally decided people to be significant or insignificant, he was referring to their actions being significant or insignificant
jhibbitt1 2 months ago
The few minutes where he claims to be the winner of the time war = mega scary.
tomh1109 2 months ago 2
what is those squid looking like people?? :P
JEGXPINON 2 months ago
@JEGXPINON the ood
themightyboush 1 month ago
Oh, way scarier than the Master. The Doctor wins.
In SotD/LotTL, the Master has on his side a vast telepathic network, a flying aircraft launcher, 6 billion Toclafane, the whole Earth. Doctor? One woman telling a story. (Well, MARTHA JONES telling a story)
To end the Time War, he destroyed probably the two most powerful civilisations ever, at the height of their power, both intent on killing everyone in the universe, alone.
If he went down that path, who could stop him? He can't. He musn't.
Amuoralzg 2 months ago
@Amuoralzg And thank goodness he can't and musn't. >.< We'd be toast.
jediewok16 2 months ago
You know...if he hadn't realized he had gone to far and instead went back in time somehow prevented her from killing herself instead, and succedded without the whole of history being drastically altered, the Doctor would have started on a very dark path indeed.
Thank goodness he's got some sense in him! Dark Doctor is as scary or scarier than the master....D:
jediewok16 2 months ago
@jediewok16 Dark Doctor is definitely more scarier than The Master since this was him losing control without someone to stop him.
amirizar2012 2 months ago
GODDAMMIT I hate Ten.
So. Much.
iluvlost09 2 months ago
The Doctor is winning. He has tiger blood.
TheValiantBob 2 months ago 5
in these episodes you can so tell how the difference without companions and that the tenth doctor really needed to go
cozzo707 2 months ago
In my opinion, Adelaide killed herself for two purposes. 1: To continue history as it should be, her death having happened like always. 2: To show the Doctor that he does not control everything. He was having an idea that he was the final decision maker and she showed him no he was not. I believe right there and then he realized his mistake and that's why in the next episode he's fine because he learned straight away to not intervene like a god. His speech on Victorious freaked me out though!!
CarriedFarAway 2 months ago
@smallville160 how is it Arrogant and selfish to try to save people? I find it rather Selfish on her part shooting her self robing her family of time with her
TheThedoctor11th 2 months ago
@Ninjasof42 Adelaide and the destruction of the mars base is a single fixed point in time, River Song and the doctors death are two fixed points simultaneously happening
HappyNubbin 3 months ago
Something i never understood, he changed a fixed point by making her die on earth and all that, yet in series 6 when river song doesn't kill the doctor everything screws up and all of time happens in one go?!
Ninjasof42 3 months ago
@Ninjasof42 - my assumption is that the doctor is more important than Adelaide, i would argue he's the most important man in all the universes together
TheRedGoldfish 3 months ago 22
@TheRedGoldfish And also, possibly it was just her death that was fixed, not how. I mean, who knows, she may have died just when the explosion occurs. The main point of it all, Adelaide's death, still happened and so when the location changed, the timeline simply adapted.
IrishmonkeyONM 2 days ago
@Ninjasof42 there's also that the fixed point was her death, rather than the location. she needed to die in order to inspire her granddaughter. It didn't matter if she died on Earth or on Mars, as long as she dies in connection with the destruction of her base.
phoenixpsicorps 3 months ago
@Ninjasof42
It wasn't a fixed point just a very important one. The doctor just thought it was a fixed point.
Or another possibility is given the timey wimey nature of things, changing a fixed point could have all sorts of results.
Dstorm20xx 2 months ago
@Ninjasof42 When he alters time here he doesn't change his own timeline. I figure because he prevents his own death and considering how tied in to everything he is it's kind of a big deal.
nlp3000 2 months ago
@Ninjasof42 i think that's because of the fact that she still died the same day and still inspired her granddaughter's actions, there wasn't a real change...
bmranr 2 months ago
@Ninjasof42 My guess is, that it's because in the end, he didn't change anything significant. He saved two people, like he saved that family in Pompei, but Adelaide still died. Sure, the details of her death might have changed, but she still died. It's like the Universe rewrote that bit of time; the Doctor changed things in a way that it couldn't go back to the original, so the timeline was rewritten ever so slightly, so that the Doctor couldn't intervene and the story essentially ends the same.
redfan369 2 months ago
@Ninjasof42 I think its because that with Adelaide, her actions meant that she died after all, which would still cause the same overall consequence that her death on mars would cause and so the universe can compensate, while with the Doctor, the chain of events set off by him not dying at Lake Silencio caused Time to crash while trying to compensate
ankoly 2 months ago
@Ninjasof42 I don't think it was a fixed point. He only thought it was a fixed point.
kaizoisevil 2 months ago
@Ninjasof42 The point, to me, was that Adelaide had to save the Earth by blowing up the Mars installation. Some sort of exterior force of time and space caused Adelaide to die then, still being a grand sacrifice and inspiring her granddaughter.
The Doctor is a different case, as he is behind so many events.
cubfan531 1 month ago
@Ninjasof42 my nerdy as shit response to tht would be that the time stream created still results in her death even though its later ... more importantly .. how did the sonic screwdriver work on wood?
krautmouse 1 month ago
@Ninjasof42 different writers. Notice how this was one of the few epise someone actully has a nervous breakdown after stepping out of the Tardis?
MrCCollins1993 1 month ago
@Ninjasof42
"...a big ball of wibbly-wobbly... timey-wimey... stuff."
Dionysus24779 1 month ago
@Dionysus24779 no...wibbly wobbly timey wimey refers to a piece of information that goes in a time loop. Not this incident.
kaizoisevil 1 month ago
@kaizoisevil
Yes it does, but if you have another personal headcanon explanation that's cool too.
Let's not debate this, there's enough room for all kind of opinions on this.
Dionysus24779 1 month ago
@Dionysus24779 Uh...opinions on what? I am alittle confused with the pronouns.
kaizoisevil 1 month ago
@kaizoisevil Nevermind, just let it go.
Dionysus24779 1 month ago
@Ninjasof42 He didn't change a fixed point, though. He tried, and the universe fought back. By choosing to die, she restored the timeline, and "the small details were different" but the ultimate result was the same. That was the lesson he learned, at the cost of her life -- there are some things that not even Time Lord Victorious can change.
j2ehyp 1 month ago
@Ninjasof42 think is he would have changed the fixed point by saving her but she commited suicide so the fixed point didnt really changed only the details of it.
BlackEagle19901990 1 month ago
@Ninjasof42 It all depends on the severity of the change...rose saving her father was a major change because it created a paradox...the doctor dying is a major change that could be felt across the universe. A minor change to eartths history isn't as bad at all, in fact the doctor makes minor changes all the time by his very presence.
lordchaos3819 6 days ago
Because she kills herself nothing important changes. Her grand daughter still goes into space trying to solve a mystery just one that has her grandmother dead on earth and not on mars.
DD8842 4 days ago
i think that a darlek killed her
docterwho519 3 months ago
@docterwho519 LOL. "darlek" :P
ForeverCharmed098 3 weeks ago
I find it extemely approipriate that the episodes with the Master was right after this. I mean...if the doctor had continued on his train of thought...if adelaide had not shot herself...I mean, he had basically declared himself the master of time, and he kinda scared me. XD I was all : O Oh shoot, if the doctor starts going bad, we are all royaly doomed.
jediewok16 3 months ago
The flood scares me lol
RoseyBabez10 3 months ago
The Ood Music gives me goosebumps.
smickersxxx 3 months ago
wow thats dark
jambotheteddy 3 months ago
am i the only one feels that the reason this episode is so epic is because of this ending. i wont lie the episode in general was good the mosters were creepy, tennant and guest were great as usual but when i saw this ending i was at aw at how epic this was. this scene made the episode
nymetsfan9121 3 months ago 27
I always loved this episode, but I felt it had one fatal flaw.
The doctor could have saved them all then taken them into the far future, the base blows up and by all accounts the same events occurred and the crew would be saved. Other than this I felt that this is one of the strongest episodes of Doctor Who.
geoffcbassett 3 months ago
@geoffcbassett
I totally agree, this made this episode amazing because it's a side you really see from the Doctor.
WixkedLovy 3 months ago
And it's snowing! I <3 snow! :D
Dinges1234567 3 months ago
this was my fav ep. and that's saying something cause i love them all so much. i just loved the concept of the doctor deeming himself ruler of time. this ending saddened me but as a whole the ep was amazing
Zinferbuddy 3 months ago
I like how the cloister bell has different pitches, like in this episode, its as though it's telling the Doctor, "not much time left." But in Turn left, it was much deeper, like it was saying "Things are VERY not good."
LestatandBerial 4 months ago
Ok, I loved David's Doctor in his first and second series, I loved him.
By his third, I started to get annoyed by the fact that his quirky attitude went and that he shouted or got angry with someone in every episode.
The next few specials, I thought "Ok, he's getting better."
But by the end of this episode I seriously thought, "That's it, get rid of him."
DoctorWhoRocks10000 4 months ago 2
@DoctorWhoRocks10000 - Don't forget it's the writers and directors that get actors to act a certain way, the doctor is also probably feeling angry learning that his current life is ending soon which he was told at the end of Planet of the Dead.
Steve10578 4 months ago
vale decem
TheExogenerate 4 months ago
i thought the sonic screwdriver didn't do wood!
BlueBloodW0lf 4 months ago
@BlueBloodW0lf the sonic screwdriver doesn't do wooden locks, wooden doors with metal locks are still fine :P
WinglessShinobi 4 months ago
@WinglessShinobi ah... i see.
BlueBloodW0lf 4 months ago
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Hears Adelaide's gunshot*
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*Ood Sigma appears*
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"I've gone too far. Is this it? My death? Is it time?..."
OmegaQuave 4 months ago
1:04 is my favorite bit xD
sittingchief12 4 months ago
this scene is the reason why it was Tennants time to go. he was to messed up and twisted at the end (i hope Matt doesnt leave like this)
animelover5076 4 months ago 3
@animelover5076 time won in the end like it always does and i hope the eleventh doctor definely does not go like this...that would be be depressing.
amirizar2012 4 months ago
It's almost scary how much he was starting to sound like the Master. But with all those years, all that loss, all that knowledge, and most strikingly, all that power; is it any suprise that he would be a little twisted?
bromixsr 4 months ago 3
@bromixsr and that it took all this long for him to really lose it! He could have turned in to the master....if he had he would have been so much worse than the master i think. With all that he suffered from all those losses...i was surprised he did'nt crack earlier.
amirizar2012 4 months ago
Most terrifying moment of all Doctor Who "Im a winner, tough. I rule Time and Space."
Dogthebob6 4 months ago
Brilliant, stunning, beautiful quality please out the entire episode up.
EarthLaughsAtYou 4 months ago
The second you hear "GAUNG...GAUNG....GAUNG..." you know that shit is about to go DOWN.
hotelmario510 4 months ago
The music that plays at the end is so tragic. I most definely have to download all of the Doctor Who music P:
amirizar2012 4 months ago
The Last movies involving Tennant were such emotional and powerful movies!
The Tenth Doctor will always be my favorite Doctor
ThoraxTheAvnger 5 months ago
This scene is so sad. Shows perfectly how the doctor brought his death upon himself and how he thought he was in control of the laws of time, but wasn't. So the universe just couldn't let him do that. Also the track at the end is very sad and beautiful.
tih2409 5 months ago
@tih2409 It really shows how he snapped after losing so much and he still lost much more after this happened. The laws of time were still in control despite what he thought. I think the moment after he saves her and then realizes what he's done is so heart breaking. He thought that by saving someone he admired that he would be boss of time but he couldn't control time.
amirizar2012 4 months ago
the time lord victorious is soooo right, he sould have turned mental
MrRobert1104 5 months ago
Ten, I know Time Lord Victorious was your arrogance finally grabbing ahold of the power in front of you but couldn't you have taken the Mars crew to one of the billion other habitable planets, in this time or another, and left them there? You would've saved their lives, history wouldn't change(as far as the people on Earth know, they died on Mars), and you wouldn't have brought upon your own death.
Suichimo 5 months ago
I really, really liked this episode when I saw it on Netflix, I thought it was incredible. There was only one thought in my head during the suicide scene... "Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God..." Thats so terrible...
emmyrossumfn101 5 months ago
i hated this episode. really changed the attitude and personality of the doctor. A right nasty horrible git. Ruined the great character that he was
Glendal1988 5 months ago
@Glendal1988 I disagree. The Doctor has lived a terrible life full of lose, he loses everyone he loves in the end. Having lost so much, but having power over time, so many would have rewritten things they shouldnt, but the Doctor never did. He kept all the pain and lonleness for the good of the universe. There HAD to be a time it all became too much and this was it. However, he quickly regreted it. I think this episode is a beautiful example of just how much the Doctor gives selflessly.
omgbabiesatemydingo 4 months ago 2
Timelord Victorious is probably the most terrifying moment of the entire series. I can handle any monster this show can throw at me, but the Doctor himself? Scares the wits out of me.
Dracontiar 5 months ago 3
Hmm.... well, someone needs to tell the doctor to go check his hand, right?
He could go back and intercept himself, can't he? Or is he forbidden from meeting with himself?
Tjprower 5 months ago
@Tjprower He can't cross into his own timestream. It's all abit wibbley wobbley timey wimey.
cyberman234 5 months ago
The Doctor seems to be having a KAHN Moment.
sonicsmx 5 months ago
I love the "No." at the end of the episode. Completely sums up the Doctor's legacy.
ToothpasteCannon 5 months ago
heh the doctor is winning, without the drugs tho
Foxman955 5 months ago
I love the end, Tenth Doctor standing there with the cloister bell ringing.
LestatandBerial 5 months ago
When I saw the suicide scene, at first I was confused what happened. Then when re-winded it with my DVR, I was literally scared out of my life! I was almost going to go insane, or cry!
fusionfallplayer6000 5 months ago
move that fucking BBC logo!
Smallvillenerd 6 months ago 25
@Smallvillenerd - It's to BOLDLY state it's the BBCs, although it's still breaching copyright so kinda pointless
TheRedGoldfish 6 months ago 13
Awwww....
EroStrom 6 months ago
@Hanzy96x try not falling asleep next time you watch it.
JJRFilmz 6 months ago
This episode is brilliant, just goes to show even the Doctor can lose the plot sometimes
TheSchemer1 6 months ago
I did`nt like this episode but this ending was pretty good
CYBERDOODY 6 months ago
spoilers :) thumbs up if you get it
startan118 6 months ago
how you know that she shot herself??
HeartofAzune 6 months ago
@Hanzy96x - Time Lord Victorious, She wanted revenge for rewriting important fixed time
TheRedGoldfish 6 months ago 2
@TheRedGoldfish No she shot herself because she knew that she should still die in her time stream. She shot herself because she knew she should always have died because her death is important to the whole world. It's nothing to do with revenge.
thefartydoctor 6 months ago
@thefartydoctor i love how writers seem to think some details are important but others don`t matter, for example adelaide dying on mars in a mysterious explosion inspires her daughter to go into space, but adelaide committing suicide on the earth, when everyone believes she still on mars, i don`t believe she would shoot herself, after all her death might stop her daughter from going into space, at least alive she could inspire her.
scissorphilip 6 months ago
@scissorphilip Yeah, you're right. It's just stupid. But the writers will always say: "he's a Time Lord so everything's okay." but that's rubbish. Good ending but there should have been more consequences.
thefartydoctor 6 months ago
@TheRedGoldfish well i don't thinki it was revenge, it was more she was being brave and ensuring time followed its natural course or else shit wudda hit the fan
227060 3 months ago
@TheRedGoldfish
No, she wanted to make sure that time continued as it should, with her death.
Dstorm20xx 3 months ago
@Hanzy96x - Uhh because Adelaide shot herself, Time won in the end
TheRedGoldfish 6 months ago 9
I think there are a couple things at work here. First: I think the writers were trying to show that losing Donna was the cataclysmic event that set him off the rails. The Doctor NEEDED Donna after Rose because she kept him in line. Secondly we see his panic about the prophecy of his death.
I keep thinking that this is the time "change" that has lead to the events that we are currently experiencing in series 6
jpage78 6 months ago
"I'm the winner. Time Lord victorious!" - I didn't know Charlie Sheen wrote that speech.
Wynbis 6 months ago
"and it's snowing! I love snow!" :D
TheKimico16 6 months ago
What is the credits song name?
alpha1178 6 months ago
@alpha1178 the doctor who theme tune, maybe?
YeahAndThat 6 months ago
Do you have this without the big BBC letters?
TheStarbender 6 months ago
The ending of this episode always gives me chills. We see what great and possibly awful things that the Doctor is capable of; we see that he's not "all good." That's what his human companions are for, to keep him grounded.
shahoney 6 months ago
I hated to watch this scene so much, though it is wonderfully acted. He had lost everyone and I think he snapped, but when he did, he sounded like Rassilon, like the Master even. Running away from the Cloister bells, like a coward, acting like he's God. He knew time was fixed, but I think that after everything he had lost, he became careless and vulnerable, more so than when he lost Rose.
But for jest, thumbs up if it looked like Doctor possesssed by Venom for a moment. They are both aliens.
gladnxofxgallifrey 6 months ago
Powerful scene. Shows just how good the story arcs used to be before Mofatt took over. Now it's all gobbely gook,
5hutupl1nda 6 months ago
@5hutupl1nda - I agree, kinda. What I noticed about Moffat's style is that he focuses on the "love story" of the episodes he writes. It's ridiculous, really. If I wanted to watch a series based on a romance novel, I'd watch Twilight (which, by the way, is gross). Moffat is like a teenager writing fanfiction, not sci-fi.
shahoney 6 months ago
@shahoney isint kinda ironic you talk love story when thats all rtd ever did
brigeboy95 6 months ago
@brigeboy95 differently. It's one thing to have a character with a crush on the doctor life Rose and Martha, or the Doctors Best Friend Martha. It's quite anouther the have a love triangle between the doctor and his companions the results in him marring the daughter of the other two. Actually it was taken right from the pages of the Twilight Sage and makes me furious. DAMN YOU TWILIGHT, YOU'VE RUINED DOCTOR WHO FOR ME!!! Serious, that storyline pisses me off so much. RTD was so much better.
rpottage 6 months ago
@rpottage just cool down rtd did love triangle so just please cool it
brigeboy95 6 months ago
@brigeboy95 Yeah, no. After meeting the Doctor Rose only wanted him; and Mickey was used simply as a plot device (there was no competition) and Cap'n Jack hit on everybody. And RTD did NOT take one of the sickest storylines ever and fanboyishly use it (I.E., he'll just marry their kid). It is directly from the pages of the twilight saga; and it is far inferior in writing and thought than the RTD storylines. Moffat has ruined the show for me, and I used to love this show so much.
rpottage 6 months ago
@rpottage please just stfu has moffat put it the show changes old fans stay old fans go new fans are born im just happy to see you go
brigeboy95 6 months ago
@brigeboy95 Yeah, he put it that was because he screwed up. Shows change, sure; but look at the dedication of Star Trek fans. The problem is that Moffat has screwed up the show. You don't take "The mon who abhors violence" and turn him into a genocidal maniac the way moffat did with The Silence. Moffat purposefully ignored everything the Doctor had learned, and made us watch him screw up in even bigger ways that make no sense (like with the bragging). The writing is terrible and redundant.
rpottage 6 months ago
@brigeboy95 And please, for the love of God; use proper grammar. For someone from the country that invented English, you don't seem capable of writing it properly. And sadly; I'd say Moffat's writing is little better.
rpottage 6 months ago
@rpottage Why are you ignoring my last post leave the show ok leave it is not your show beeing nit picky about grammer just avoids the subject leave the show its no longer your show its a new gnerations show now!
brigeboy95 6 months ago
@brigeboy95 I didn't ignore your last post. I made two posts, one addressing it and one addressing the Grammar. Scroll down, it's on this page now at the bottom so probably page two when you read this: it starts you with "yeah, he put it that way"
rpottage 6 months ago
@rpottage RTD was crap. Moffat better. it just his eps are short. RTD was the one ruined the show.
CPTTAYLOR592 1 month ago
@CPTTAYLOR592 RTD revived the show. It was off air for 16 years before RTD showed up; that's not ruining that's saving. Ruining a show is when you rip off Twilight (I.E. Amy/Bella loves Rory/Edward, but she also loves the other species man Doctor/Jacob. But who will she choose? Alas, she must break the Doctor's/Jacob's heart for she is meant for Rory/Edward. But have no fear; they shall have a baby, and that Baby shall grow up to be the Doctor's/Jacob's wife; River Song/Renesmee.)
rpottage 1 month ago 2
@rpottage Yeah but i did not like the thing with the doctor in love with rose. it was like a soap on bbc like eastenders. i did think he started off really well in season 1 and 2 but in season 3 and 4 it just gone crap but still i love doctor who.
CPTTAYLOR592 1 month ago
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5hutupl1nda 6 months ago
God, was Tennants Doc whining about regeneration already? He didnt even wait until End of Time to get all weepy and emo. He is the only Doctor who made a big drama out of regeneration. Most fell off their exercise bikes or fell to the TARDIS floor - but no he has to give a big performance. Weakest Doctor ever...
broadshoulder 7 months ago
@broadshoulder I know right
CPTTAYLOR592 7 months ago
@broadshoulder Even though we as fans knew otherwise, I think the Doctor thought he was actually going to die, not regenerate, (remember End of Time). I think therefore it would be sort of acceptable for him to get upset. He's not getting upset about regenerating, he's the Doctor, the Great Runner, running away from his mortality and his responsibility since he was 8. Always terrified, but in denial.
TheVideoRadioStar 7 months ago
Can someone explain to me how he can be wearing that blue suit? I thought the human doctor was wearing that one when he went to the parallel universe...
HomicidalUnikorn 7 months ago
@HomicidalUnikorn - I think he has multiple blue suits, he is seen varying his suit from episode to episode so i think it can be cleared up he has many blue/brown suits
TheRedGoldfish 7 months ago 4
@TheRedGoldfish This makes sense. I thought he only had one because he only wore blue after Smith and Jones, but being as he has a massive wardrobe, multiple suits makes sense.
HomicidalUnikorn 7 months ago
@TheRedGoldfish Yes, I imagine that after the Doctor picks an outfit he likes, he creates many spares. I'm sure he has technology in the TARDIS to put Star Trek replicators to shame.
tf2whackyengineer 6 months ago
@HomicidalUnikorn He has different alternative outfits.
PercyandDuckfan94 5 months ago
ungrateful is what it is. the man saves you and you call him a monster.
Luster21 7 months ago
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erzan 7 months ago
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erzan 7 months ago
"Tough."
Hadreleii 7 months ago
i love this ending..you get to see a glimpse of what the docvtor was liek during the war...how timelords changed
alot like in the runaway bride where he kills the raknos queen
darthkarr 7 months ago
i want too see this episode so badly
fishswishroxz 7 months ago
The doctor has turned to the dark side of the force. Lol.
KoolMovies1001 7 months ago
I think he's gone too far! Awesome piece of work!!!
BlueBox906 8 months ago
u know she is right no one should have that much power
crazyboy19881 8 months ago
god-complex much....
stsars13 8 months ago
@celedam you were saying
sugarking12 8 months ago
This was freaking dark
jpg0901 8 months ago
@celedam I will write I please how I please to write it thanks what r u OCD and who said my comment was worthwhile it's just me explaining Somthin about dr who nothing life changing
sugarking12 8 months ago
@bottery after rose fell into the alternate reality the doctor falls into a deep dark depression because at this point he realizes several of his companions have died others hate him others just what to forget him others just are gone and most of all his race is gone I mean let's face it the guys whole world just fell apart and then add the fact that about 68% of the universe wants him dead probably more no wonder he went mad
sugarking12 9 months ago
@sugarking12 Please learn how to use punctuation. No one's comment is so worthwhile that we should work that hard to parse it.
Celedam 8 months ago
ive met the docter and i miss him so much the timelord is true and watch out he may give an adventure
twerksumm1 9 months ago
you know the doctor has a dark side and he tries to control it. this episode and the family of blood episode.
TheShideh8 9 months ago
"No one should have that much power"
The Doctor: "Tough"
Twisted by the Dark Side, the time lord has
GreenFenril 9 months ago 31