This guy takes so long to get to the point. He's sooo boring, half of what he says is "uummm". If he spent 10 mins on prepping himself he may even be able to sound like he has an idea of where he is and where he's from! But on the other hand keep up the good work ;)
I Agree That This Video Is Gay. But Yall Don't Have To Be Rude To This Man He's Just Sharing What He Thinks Is True. Don't Like It?? Don't Watch It!! Damn!
Who is this dumb worthless loser? Are you stupid? Everyone that has a neighbour that does not go out much will inevitably report him to the authorities? Do you report the disabled old woman up your road too? It's interesting how you accept everything you read and see in the Jewish anti-Islamic media as gospel Truth too...
By the way, no one buys your fake empathy for the victims of 9/11
Batty, I don't want to scare you or anything but there's some guy named Tim-ali-bim-battim that's sitting in his hut and telling all the folks around him to fear and hate people like you, and he buys into all of the fear and violence that precludes his entering into the kingdom of thought. Like you.. he needs attention. How does he get that? By being another tough guy like you. You think you have the answers by accusation of others when you don't even have the right questions.
@zenguin13 you just keep making shit up. Where do I say fear anyone ever? You just make shit up fpr the sake of it? The b ottom line is christians and women are oppressed throughout the middle east. You think the region is a leftwing dreamland. Odd. All this silly tough guy stuff makes you sound like a child. Stick the the topic. Making your debate presonal makes you look like the idiot oil war supporter you are.
@battim Wow there you go Mr. Brightside. In the world you live nobody would ever come to anything but fear and ignorance. Yeah people get beaten up and killed and you want to beat them up and kill them. You're the barbarian dude because of your fear. Human beings have been through this for thousands of years and you just want to continue down that path. I think we need to weed out fearmongers like you and just talk to people and then the problem goes away. Dude you need a hug.
@zenguin13 i never claimed to want to beat up anyone or kill anyone. no idea where you are getting any of this. my point is the arab spring is no spring at all. egypt is nto a democracy its a military junta. i fear nothing so i have no idea what you are smoking. you need a reality check. you come here and lie and make points that have nothing to do with what i am talking about.
@battim Really? bc I got a different impression of you that you may not even be aware of.
You sit there typing away at the violence of other peoples and yet promote and profligate militarism all through your vlogs. gee I must be the only one that see's it.
@zenguin13 I have not promoted militarism ever. Lol. Simply stating the facts as they are is not an advocation of them.. I have always been against every war the usa has been in in myy vlogs. Making up lies makes you look dishonest.
You're singing a different tune now Tim and you know it. Do you smell the Arab spring? Do you realize how much you're backpeddling even as you continue to support torture? Dude wake up and ink a peace symbol on your sleeve or I'm going to post your old vlogs.
@zenguin13 what part of the arab srping do you like...the military junta nd muslim brotherhood taking egypt or the slaughters in bahrain and syria? Perhap the illegal bombing of lybia with no congressional approval? Oil war ok for obama huh? What democracy has come out of the arab srping. None.
@battim post away whiny hypocrite...there is no different tune...two hundred men in apkistan died in response to the bin laden assassination. Nice trade. I was against all of bushs wars...and I am against obamas wars. His middle east policy is a mess
You wouldn't want them all to be under the rule of propped up dictators paid for by American tax dollars and under the threat of the American military complex would you? Or would you? Teach your kids not to get what you want by authoritative threats and subversion but with mutally beneficial and peaceful outcomes. See cause when they fearmonger here in the US..we all go out and but shit like good consumers but when it happens to people with no money to buy anything,,people just die.
@zenguin13 instead they are run by a military junta run by the united states. Egypt is not a democracy. The christians and women are beaten for demonstrating for their rights. Subversion lioke raping cbs journalists and instituting sharia law you mean? You are a joke. Really. Have become a moron. Used to be bright. Now just naieve. Lol
@zenguin13 mutually beneficial peaceful outcomes? Lol.. iranians syrians bahranians lybians slaughtered. Coptics and women in egypt beaten and killed for demonstrating for their rights. A junta in place. Democracy? Peace? Thousands slaughtered you mean? You lie to yourself regularly?
@battim The truth of the matter my bitchy warhawk..that it's in a state of change of which you don't know the outcome and which would have never have happened under Dick Cheney's (oh I mean Bush's) and it was his war not Obama's.. You should go back and listen to Obama's Cairo speech Fact is they're fighting for democracy and yes even capatalism. See,, they want blue jeans and barbie dolls.
@zenguin13 never been a warhawk. No you are just a filthy liar. Was against the iraq...lybian...and afghan war. Stated dozens of times over five years here on youtube. You support obama who has expeanded war throigh the region. Makes you the war hawk. They are all his wars now. He tripled afghanistan. Vietnam wasn't nixons war by your logci. Lol
@zenguin13 because you are a filthy liar. you claimed a person who has been against every war since i have been alive a warhawk. that makes you a filthy liar.
@battim "Perhap (sic) the illegal bombing of lybia with no congressional approval?" Using the war powers act to prove anything about the last five or six presidents is a stupid gamit. You really want to play this one out in front of the intelligent people on your channel? Or maybe you should back off this one...right? I know you aren't misinformed on this but you seem to think that you can get away with it by playing out a little misinformation,
@zenguin13 war powers act expired last week. He is currently in violation of the law. Nice try. The last five or soix presidents got congrssional approval for their oil war. Obama is winging it with his oil war. Arab spring? Lol. Military juntas and worst suppression than ever. Brilliant. Freedom lololololol.
@zenguin13 never made a video advocating war. Ever. You on the other hand are advocating egyptina military rule. That's what your arab spring gave them
@battim You're a big dope trying act like you don't care about most of Islam who are just regular people trying to get along. If I didn't call you on it I would be remiss. If you didn't make it all that it wouldn't BE all that.
@battim Violation of the,,,Wha?? you must be joking. So you're a death penalty advocate right? Eye for eye, tooth for tooth guy Big tough guy huh? Pass the bread and let us all bow our heads and pray? It's stupid Tim, get it through your thickness. You're not a tough guy, You're an INTERNET tough guy. What if somebody stoled your car...are you going to go and steal their car? You're a child dude wake up and join we adults who lead by example and not revenge.
@zenguin13 no. not a death penalty advocate. never claimed to be. i don't pray, i am an atheist. as for internet tough guy, i really have no idea where you are going with that. you don't know me. you know a tiny part of me i share here. thats all. no more no less. i have no idea where you are going with the revenge thing...that was obama, not me.
@battim So you know obama but I don't know you....You only post every other fucking day here,,lol get real everybody within earshot knows enough about you. What do you think you're hiding behind a tree or something?hahah we all know who you are and you are a warmonging verbally abusive all talk internet tough guy. So live with it ..put the coat that you sewed on and made your self and stop calling other people hypocrites from your glass house.
@zenguin13 I was and am against all the wars. You are only for wars democrats start and continue and triple resources to. You support military junta in egypt. You will not find ?e advocating any war at any time. You are boring. Could you at least argue against something I actually said?
@battim - ok I see the distinction you are making now. War on terror is needed and doable without invading countries with hundreds of thousands of troops. When I said I thought the past 10 years was only
The beginning this is what I was referring to. Troops will come home soon but what is called the war on terror has no end in site.
@CadicusTheDamned Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....The chain reaction of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.
Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength To Love, 1963, page 53.
@battim - what wAs the alternative? Do nothing? Hope it never happens again? Hope the fuckers decide to stop hating us and leave us alone? I'm afraid 10 years is just the begining. Getting the guy was just 1 high profile objective among 10 years of others that evididently have prevented further promised attacks. This sucks. I hate
It. I hate the price we have to pay. I just don't see another way.
@dennis4g1 no. do it as a police action. as it was done. we got him because of good old fashioned poice works. not a war that cost a trillion and killed thousands of our best. we got the guys who told us what we need to know in the first two months. its been tens years.
@battim How does US history explain the invading of Afghanistan and Iraq? for the past decade their position on this question has been contradicted to no end...Today, the only reasonable response left is an admission of war crime atrocities and treason. Of course this admission would warrant indictments and the subsequent execution of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and gang. Seriously though, what gives....Terrorists? WMD? WTF? If US wants respect they are gonna have to answer to the world on this.
@MrDaemonB the world is quite happy for the most part except for you and a few other whackos who think. Hussein and bin laden are good guys. War crimes? For talking out mass murderers and genocidal dictators? Make up your mind. First you whine abour us supporting themmm then you whine about us talking then out? U that dumb?
@battim when you refer to the world, do you mean the indoctrinated media lapping folk ?(less than 2% of the worlds population)...also The blatant and unprovoked invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq had nothing to do with Osama,Saddam,terrorists or WMD. Are you aware of the civilian death tolls? Direct; probably close to a million .Indirect;, far more.If they're not American lives I guess it dosent matter to an American. Who's the genocidal dictator now?
@battim committing mass murder to kill a mass murderer?dumb? Hussein was horrible, but what he was,was a product of the US regime in the first place. Osama? I think he is viewed by most as a kind of Robin Hood type guy, standing up to the Empire and showing the little guy that Goliath isn't impenetrable...Anyhow, go back to your CNN and believe a bogus version of reality....God is Good
@battim. Revenge for revenge sake - no. Making the point that your not going to get away with slapping me with the intent of preventing future slaps - I think yes. I feel like Obama defending the bailouts saying it would have been disaster if it wasn't done. We will never know but I believe if we didn't respond the way we have for the past 10 years to 9/11 a lot more civilian Americans would be dead.
@dennis4g1 the taliban is advancing. Most of al quaeda still free. We got one guy. We didn't stop them from attacking us through the military....that was homeland. I just don't know. Ten years. Twice as long as WW2...tens of thousands wounded...missing limbs...more with ptsd...one guy. What have we stopped?
An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere. Until the people in US can empathize for the worlds majority who have for decades been oppressed by US sponsored dictatorships who regularly commit mass murder,terrorism and genocide, there will always be extremists who on there last straw lash out. Because we in N America are not affected is no reason to turn a blind eye, let alone support our imperialist foreign policies, and allow our government to get away with terrorism and war crimes
@MrDaemonB yeah like dictator we support in myramar...oh that's chna and india...or that guy in sudan...oh that's china and the arab league...or that guy in venezuala...oh that's russia..north korea? The chinese. We tossed hussein..suharto..hitler..soviets...franco...etc...balanced view would help
@battim we fully supported Hussein, the Shaw of Iran, Pol Pot, Suharto,Hitler,khaddafi, Amin, Milocevic,Bin Laden,Israel, to name a few...not to mention the many atrocities in Central and South America, Countless terrorist Organizations. Lets not forget our venture to squash any chance of a Nationalist Independent government in Vietnam. All the micro dictators in Africa we sell arms to,Condemning millios to genocide. Note that USA recognized Nelson Mendela as a leading terrorist!
@MrDaemonB hussein was mostly supported by the soviets, hence why he had soviet arms. The Shah I'll give you, but its no better now. Quadafi is someone we bombed twice. Amin we did not support. Milocevich we ousted. Bin laden, never. We supported the pushtan rebel mujjhahadeen, israel not a dictatorship....we've done some shitty things in south america, granted, but the alternative haven't been much better. my point was, larger powers will always do this. whats that got to do with this?
@battim Well, Here in North America we hear an endless barrage of propaganda.Atrocities justifying more atrocities .Instead of looking at what everyone else is doing, we ought to look at our own actions. Like I said, the only way to stop or at least curb terrorism is to stop doing it....all this Bin Laden business, Probably a hoax or propaganda scheme to gain political support for something big around the corner. I think that US wants to slaughter Iranians next.
@MrDaemonB that said mendela was no saint. there aren't always clear cut good guys and bad guys. pol pot is just ridiculous. so is hitler. we fought them both. if you want to see the world in terms of good guys and bad guys well its certainly not an objective perspective.
@MrDaemonB all that said...showing your simplified version of historical events...a balanced view is in order. all sides have self interested motives. some ideologically driven and some politically driven. both of which are driven by a need for resources aka wealth. regardless of their reasoning, if you strip away all the ideologies and who is winning and losing...what you see is all of them suck. israelis and palestinians. the larger powers and the smaller powers that oppress their own
@battim - so my choices are "an eye for an eye" or "turn the other cheek". I would love for the violence, hatred, and war that has plagued mankind since man stood upright to end and the idealism of MLK's words to become the worlds MO. Until then turning the other cheek will only get you a second black eye.
@dennis4g1 my point is...if you don't turn the other cheek and its means now you must sacrifice thousands of young men and trillions of dollars to enact your revenge on said slapper...is the revenge worth it?
@skinny471 its in the bottom of the sea. did you think we woud parade it in a world wide tour like jesse james? we have pieces of he body with dna and it seems as if the pictures will be released. i cuold bring his body to your home and you wouldnt believe it. hamas believes it. al quaeda believes it. but you don't. odd..
Obama, being the president of the worlds leading terrorist state. Condemning and murdering an alleged terrorist is mind boggling. The solution to stopping terrorism is to stop doing it!
@muse54 people have always hated the usa and what it stands for. The cold war was never more polarized. The alpha dog is always a target. So is any group that challenges old paradigms of human organization. We aree both.
So much to say, but I'll leave most of it unsaid. I will say this - while I didn't rush into the streets to cheer and to chant, "USA!" I do believe the harsh judgment of those who did is entirely too simplified. I don't believe they are celebrating the death of a human being, for bin Laden was sub-human, but rather celebrating the elimination of the spearhead of terrorism, it's most symbolic icon.
@Michelle5451 my point is...all this for a few hundred guys....either it was completely mismanaged...or it simply cost in blood sweat tears and cash way to much imho. Over a figure head?
@battim I view it all as trying to put an end to the escalation of their attacks. The past 10 yrs haven't been about only bin Laden, it's been about al Qaeda in it's entirety. Getting bin Laden was simply getting the head of the snake. What were we supposed to do? Ignore what they did on 9/11/01? We tried that method all through the 90's when Clinton did nothing while al Qaeda, under the direction of bin Laden was killing Americans around the world.
We took it, turned the other cheek. Did that make them stop or simmer down? No, it made them more motivated to get our attention. They got our attention on Tuesday, September 11, 2001. Perhaps if we'd taken the events in the 90's more seriously, it never EVER would have gotten to this point.
I'm getting the impression you believe we should have done nothing. I hope I'm misinterpreting you. All this for a few hundred guys? I don't see it that way, at all. I see it as "all this" to turn the escalator off. We left it running entirely too long.
@Michelle5451 I will be called insane, I will be ridiculed, I will be showered with contempt, for this opinion. I do not care.
The War on Terror is nothing but an evil lie, used to justify the advancement of fascism domestically, and avaricious neo-colonialism abroad. This is true of all the Western countries; not merely America. The terrorist attacks which justify it, are false flag, and carried out by Arabs deemed expendable, on the orders of Western governments.
@petrus4 I do not think you are insane. Are you implying that bin laden and al quaeda were not responsible for 911? Are you claiming bin laden organized this at the behest of the usa?
@battim Yes, Bin Laden personally gave 19 Saudis box cutters and managed to get them all through airport security without alerting any suspicion what so ever...
He also taught them how to fly jets into buildings at pin point precision too...
He somehow stopped NORAD from scrambling fighter jets to intercept the aircraft also...
He somehow jammed the radar and GPS to so nobody noticed flight path deviation...
/sarcasm, Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11, I don't think he even funded it.
@battim Well, it was a decent conversation while it lasted. I saw your replies to my comments and had more to say, but lost all interest when I saw that conspiracy bullshit hijacked my conversation with you. Outta here. Take care.
@battim You're a better person than me. You feel sorry for them, they disgust me. You call it lack of critical thinking, I call it willful ignorance. They value conspiracy theories because it feeds their contempt for government and choose to ignore and/or molest solid facts. I wonder how much PM Howard paid JI to kill 88 Australians in Bali in 2002. =eyefkngroll=
@Michelle5451 it was the japanese who were behind that in bali. Lol. One thing I will give the balinese...they know who fucking killed them and made them pay. The ROI took out four mosques three days later.
@battim I don't claim to know the precise details, but most of what I've seen, has led me to believe that bin Laden may have been hired or somehow outsourced to perform the attacks, yes. I've read a lot of reports of Bush and his father meeting with bin Laden's family, bin Laden receiving kidney dialysis and treatment, money changing hands...and then a video appearing when Bush needed it for his re-election, etc.
There are just a few too many such coincidences, in my mind.
@DackIsBack or there are peoplewho took credit that we have on video getting on the planes. lol. not even arabic academics deny that bin laden was behind it. silly.
@petrus4 petrus what we see on video can be decieving. bin laden wouldnt have to hand them box cutter to buy them for 40 bucks at walmart. visa were student visas given to go to pilot school. al quaeda admitted to doing it. we have videos of them getting on the place. we have multiple internations schhols of physics that explained the collpase of the buildings. nothing indicates a bush conspiracy bin ladens family hated osama so what? my cousin killed someone, that make me a murderer?
@battim Basically there is or was a symbiotic relationship. Osama does something and gets paid off, and then Osama comes back and helps Bush get re-elected etc. bin Laden gets lots of new recruits from it, as well as money in payment from the Bushes; the American government gets a bogeyman who persuades the public to sign them a blank check, for whatever they want to do.
In other words, I can very clearly see probably cause.
@petrus4 As with serial killers, They've been known to take credit for murders they didn't commit... they hear about murders and "turn themselves in".
@DackIsBack you are speculating. its ridiculous. no evidence. all speculation and disparate facts. simply...not real. zetgeist is mind candy for the paranoid.
@petrus4 so then they kill such a good ally? lol. there were plenty of folks who had motive to attack the united states. lets just ignore those one hundred probable causes. lol. evidence is not a probable cause theory. my 5 year old can come up with motive.
@petrus4 osama didn't need to "get paid off" the guy has plenty of financial resources. youre whole using this doofus to get elected done in a studio thing is just weird. i gotta tell you. again petrus, probable cause and many nations have probable cause to attack the usa, is not evidence of truth. its speculation. no proof. no dice.
@Michelle5451 its still on. Its always been on. This is nothing new. Done nothing? No. Fight a war for ten years...spend trillions and lose thoudans more of our men and women? Has this destroyed jihadist movements abroad? Nope. One guy. That is all it was. Friend have lost limbs. For what? One guy.
@Michelle5451 so we should fight a ten year war and spend trillions? I am not a pacifist. Just doing a cost analysis. Al quaeda was not taken down by this war...but by police work. The rest of it was window dressing to funnel money through the system. Has afghanistan changed?
@Michelle5451 but I will say this. The left in this country smeared bush. For politcal gain they ostracized him like he was hitler all the while they financed it. All of a sudden obama get the asshole and everything is warranted. Torture is fine. Trillions on war is fine. Lybian oil wars are fine. Fuck them.
@battim I agree with you 100% about the Bush policy comment. I've been enraged all this week over the hypocrisy. Most on the left, Obama and Pelosi included, bashed and trashed Bush for his detention and interrogation policies, the CIA prisons in Europe, Gitmo, etc. and yet...lookie here - information extracted from detainees created a lead that started four years ago lead to what happened Monday morning. And they're all hailing King Obama. I want to vomit.
@Michelle5451 and now they are trying to back off. Its hysterical watching them scurry even after pannetta admitted enhanced interrogation gave us some intel. My friend who works for obama is so mad at me for calling hin out on facebook
@battim Yeah but if America provokes them... Guess who they'll want to attack first.
Let them fight each other, They've been doing that for hundreds of years, If they fuck with neighbouring countries... Well, I think they can defend themselves.
I'm In the UK, I think Europe could lay waste to the middle east in a real war, America didn't get involved in WWII until the war was more than half fought...
Times are different, There's very little infighting in Europe, the Arabs fail at warfare.
@DackIsBack america was too busy fighting for the most part alone is asia...and you mean halfway through as in when you were all getting your asses handed to you half way?
@DackIsBack afghanistan is not a resource war. iraq is two fold...geopolitical and oil. lybia mostly oil...some naval strategy. pretty much, in america, we have stopped teorrorism give or take a crazy every five years. that was going on long before al quaeda.
@battim Afghanistan produces over 80% of the worlds opium, Look at the opium production over the last 20 years, It remained below 6000 metric tons until the U.S lead invasion in 2001, Then it dropped to less than 2000 tones... Allot of the crops where eradicated, As was shown on the news...
Then in 2002 we see production soar, Explain the sudden drop in production and subsequent Opium/Heroin boom, Allot of that heroin is coming to Glasgow, There's so much it's cheaper than candy.
What the hell am I supposed to think those poor farmers with nothing but dirt unscaled production to that degree on their own? The crop is worth BILLIONS by time it's on the street...
Especially with the hundreds of photographs of U.S troops guarding Massive Opium Crops all over the internet...
There's no sign of production going down, A bunch of liars will tell you it is but there's no reason to believe so.
@DackIsBack and that crop can grow anywhere. its not worth billions on the back end. drug dealers have been getting opium for centuries. they get it from anywhere. i suppose you didn't look up "poppy photos faked" did you?
@DackIsBack lol. their is opium production in north korea too. that mean we back that regime too? explain the scores of video showing us troops burning poppie fields...that just to throw the conspiracists off? poppy can grow anywhere. anywhere.
I am concerned at the celebratory mood in this country. It reminds me of nothing so much as the street celebrations in 1991 when Iraqi missiles rained down on Tel Aviv, which I and most Americans found disgusting. I am also concerned that there was apparently never any plan nor intent to take Bin Laden in any other condition but dead. In fact, I greatly suspect that he was executed rather than killed in an exchange of fire.
@DynaCatlovesme me too. been discussing this on facebook for two days. what bothers me most is the bloodthirsty element of the left all of a sudden. the hypocrisy is so goofy. they are all for oil wars in lybia, all for the afghan war now...all for expending lives and trillions to get one guy. very odd indeed.
It is good they finally got him, but the extremist jihad folk will make him a martyr and it will not end the violence... The Taliban launched their so-called spring offensive with a 12 year old suicide bomber a few days ago. These folks understand nothing but dying... Those who harbor hatred in their hearts are consumed by it...
@PappyStu in fact we may see an uptick. this kind of enemy is not easy to defeat without stepping over all kinds of ethical lines. you know what i mean, sailor.
@battim IMO almost all folks who aspire to hardline ideologies practice hypocrisy... For it is the only way they can remain true to their absolutism. Human nature never lends itself to monistic philosophy. Where would we be without our rose colored glasses? VBG
@JustA11en i like team that dont have to buy players to win. its easy to win when you get more marbles. it like playing scrabble and one guy gets twenty letters and the other get four. not really fair. you know yankee fan...its the only sport where teams get advantages financially. kind of sad. the quote is 80 percent legit. look it up. the first part was a wrong sttributed, the final part is sourced in my description. your source is bad.
@battim You're getting touchy in your old age, pops. :)
The pertinent part of the quote is what was fabricated. Wasn't pointing it out to be an asshole. It spread like wildfire yesterday & just wasn't accurate. Didn't know if you realized.
MLB is built on capitalism, which is one of the major reasons America is different than the rest of the world. It's not that the owners of the Orioles couldn't spend more. They have no interest in building a contender. They only spend enough to keep selling
merchandice & putting butts in the seats. Their payroll is in the middle of the pack, not even close to the lowest. They've just made a habit of spending unwisely since the mid 90s.
@JustA11en the yankees have the highest payroll, three times the amount of scouts and development money. that is not capitalism. adam smith lambasted systems that allowed uneven competition. new york has the luck of the geographic draw. its the largest market. more people mena more folks in seats. more corporate sponsorship. more television revenue.l the yankkess didn't make new york the biggest market in the world, they just happen to be there. lol.
@battim so its luck of the draw...it really hard to spend 30 million on a front line starter? that doesnt take genius or hard work. lol. oh look cleveland developed cc sabathia. he wins alot. we can buy him. that is genius? lol. oh look seattle developed arod. texas cant afford him no more. we can buy him. genius. lol. texeira wants the highest bid. we can give him that. lets buy him. real brilliance. my son could do that.
@battim I think bin laden could of been killed or captured alooooonnnnnng time ago if he was hiding in a compound like that. I think this was just staged at the right time so obama can win the up and coming presidency. And we should all be asking the obvious question: WHERE IS PICTURES OF BIN LADEN'S FUCKING BODY??? Should we take the government's word for it (seeing how the government has a bad record on being honest with the people)?
@100LEGIONS the picture are forthcoming. Photos prove little...dna proves a lot. Why say something now and not wait for the election in eighteen months?
@battim the body was disposed of awfully quickly and in accordance with muslim tradition. Dumped at sea (which some muslims are saying , its wrong). I know the U.S. forces dont know anything about muslim burials, but damm, they hastily wrapped bin laden up and dumped him at sea and talked as if they knew exactly what they were doing.
@100LEGIONS some muslims say everything is wrong. Just the fact they are concerned makes me think they consider bin laden a true muslim. Scary. it took days to prepare for this...perhaps they did know.
@JustA11en lol. the nfl and nba are built on capitalism, but they have parity. its one of the major reasons MLB is dying and the NFL is thriving. As for you saying they have no interest in buidling a contender...dude it was only ten years ago thebyankees fans cheated to keep the o's out of the wolrd series. its impossible for small marlets to compete and make money. lol. that is reality. the entire quote is pertinent to me. its fabrication doesn't take away from its essence.
hey man funny thing is way as i feel about it. thing is my German colleges all are asking is i celebrated his death, all i could tell them was why celebrate. you tell most of them that hes been dead a while they look at you like your nuts.
@battim ive thought he has been dead for a while.only because he was on dialysis if i remember correctly. i know you said that it was a hard thing to do was to find him but i personally cant believe that our spec teams couldnt find on man. i was military and i know what a normal soldier can do i know what spec teams can do. just my feelings.
@xLowLightx it actually is a hard thing to do given his resources and such. pakistan is a weird tribal difficult place. there are fugitives all over the world that noone can find. special teams are limited by their intel and our intel was constantly being tossed wild goose chases. i have yet to read from one high up intelligence officer that it would be "easy" to find anyone, much less someone with the kind of network, loyalty and money bin laden had access too.
For the "war on terror" I don't think it means that much, as you said there will surely still be jihadists cells wanting to hit back. I also don't see the US pulling out of Afghanistan too soon. Getting Bin Laden will send a shiver down their spines though, if he was the most protected member, then the information that led to his whereabouts, must have yielded a lot more intelligence on other Al Qaeda leaders too.
@battim Well yeah I doubt he's the kind to keep a diary lol, but I mean there had to have been additional information that was extracted from the people who gave him up, if they knew anything about Bin Laden then they were possibly quite knowledgeable, considering the probable compartmentalization of Al Qaeda. I am just guessing of course, but I would say knowing his whereabouts would be reserved for only a very select few.
@123backinyerface apparently noone gave him up. What we got were the names and pseudonyms of his couriers which allowed us to track them. They were killed as well.
@FlyMario2 i agree. we could have gotten him using the technology we did. we got most of those gitmo guys that gave us the info very early on...why we are still there is baffling me...al queada simply pick up and moves elswhere, are we going into yemen next? are we gonna turn every country into an ashtray to find a few men?
I don't think the end does justify the means in this instance...short or long form. I'm also not jumping up and down singing our national anthem because we killed this guy...I'd be singing it if we captured and tried him. I don't think justice was served.
@grumpychuck well i am not sure bin laden would have come in alive. but i am with you...i haven't put a flag anywhere on my person on websites to glorify it either.
@boobtubious maybe so. i certainly can't disagree he had it coming, but was it worth the resources? should it have cost us about 4000 dollars per us citizen to get him? really? and those are just the incrememtnal military costs. they will give us concrete proof. we will have pictures and dna. when you have hamas accepting its validity you know that it probably true.
I feel this is a very hollow victory, to get this man has to much resources and innocent lifes been wasted. USA hunt has created more enemies to USA and done more damage to USA then what Bin Ladin ever could have done if we had ignored him. This is a classic Pyrrhic victory. Dont take this as i have any sympathies for bin ladin he got what he deserve but to what cost.
@Gripen1974 gripen, i just had this argument with someone. i agree. not feeling good aboutt killing someone is not the same as sympathizing with them. i am an atheist, i have major issues with fundementalist theocratic movements. they make me sick. i disdain them. it still doesn't justify taking food off of folks plates to stop it. we hav spent centuries making our civilization here egalatarian and as free as a modern society can be. they have a models to choose from if they want change.
I'll be honest, I had a good time when I heard he was killed. I mean I think people are entitled to it. He was a horrible guy, he did horrible things. After having said that, I look around at the rejoicing, and the insane media coverage, and I cant help but feel this says something about people. Here we all are, celebrating the murder of someone else. Regardless of whether he deserved it or not, it seems fucked up to me. Still glad he's gone, but this speaks volumes man.
@battim No, I don't think there is anything to celebrate. It's a good morale boost for the boots on the ground. It is good news for the war on terror to prove that we are going to be relentless against terror. But, I feel in killin OBL we only reached a small hurdle. No reason to dance in the streets and chant USA USA USA....this war is years from over.
@boxingboycow is it a great morale booster? I have seen nothing that indicates that. I spoke to four guys on leave today. They are so sick of the way obama has tied their hands in afghanistan that it didn't seem to effect their mood at all. Kids fighting for tens years...that has never...ever happened in us history. Relentless is good? Bankrupting us good?
I know this has nothing to do with Bin-Laden, but could you please wear your batman suit again? It just makes me want to go down on my knees.
Android369 1 week ago
BIN-LADEN WAS A CHOIRBOY COMPARED TO ME A CHOIRBOY!!
evenmix1 2 months ago
This guy takes so long to get to the point. He's sooo boring, half of what he says is "uummm". If he spent 10 mins on prepping himself he may even be able to sound like he has an idea of where he is and where he's from! But on the other hand keep up the good work ;)
Rokera7x 2 months ago
I Love you Osama Bin Laden and all the arab's love you and all the Muslim Love you , we love you
d7om4 5 months ago
I Agree That This Video Is Gay. But Yall Don't Have To Be Rude To This Man He's Just Sharing What He Thinks Is True. Don't Like It?? Don't Watch It!! Damn!
DinoLuvr100 6 months ago
THIS GUY IS GAY SHUT THE FUCK UP WE DONT WANT TO HEAR YOUR LITTLE WUSSIE VOICE
TheDemilovatoisugly 9 months ago
Who is this dumb worthless loser? Are you stupid? Everyone that has a neighbour that does not go out much will inevitably report him to the authorities? Do you report the disabled old woman up your road too? It's interesting how you accept everything you read and see in the Jewish anti-Islamic media as gospel Truth too...
By the way, no one buys your fake empathy for the victims of 9/11
MrPonko 9 months ago
@MrPonko if my neighbor is the most wanted man in the world...i am reporting him. if you aren't, well...you are a dunce.
battim 7 months ago
Batty, I don't want to scare you or anything but there's some guy named Tim-ali-bim-battim that's sitting in his hut and telling all the folks around him to fear and hate people like you, and he buys into all of the fear and violence that precludes his entering into the kingdom of thought. Like you.. he needs attention. How does he get that? By being another tough guy like you. You think you have the answers by accusation of others when you don't even have the right questions.
zenguin13 9 months ago
@zenguin13 you just keep making shit up. Where do I say fear anyone ever? You just make shit up fpr the sake of it? The b ottom line is christians and women are oppressed throughout the middle east. You think the region is a leftwing dreamland. Odd. All this silly tough guy stuff makes you sound like a child. Stick the the topic. Making your debate presonal makes you look like the idiot oil war supporter you are.
battim 9 months ago
@battim Wow there you go Mr. Brightside. In the world you live nobody would ever come to anything but fear and ignorance. Yeah people get beaten up and killed and you want to beat them up and kill them. You're the barbarian dude because of your fear. Human beings have been through this for thousands of years and you just want to continue down that path. I think we need to weed out fearmongers like you and just talk to people and then the problem goes away. Dude you need a hug.
zenguin13 9 months ago
@zenguin13 i never claimed to want to beat up anyone or kill anyone. no idea where you are getting any of this. my point is the arab spring is no spring at all. egypt is nto a democracy its a military junta. i fear nothing so i have no idea what you are smoking. you need a reality check. you come here and lie and make points that have nothing to do with what i am talking about.
battim 9 months ago
@battim Really? bc I got a different impression of you that you may not even be aware of.
You sit there typing away at the violence of other peoples and yet promote and profligate militarism all through your vlogs. gee I must be the only one that see's it.
zenguin13 9 months ago
@zenguin13 I have not promoted militarism ever. Lol. Simply stating the facts as they are is not an advocation of them.. I have always been against every war the usa has been in in myy vlogs. Making up lies makes you look dishonest.
battim 9 months ago
You're singing a different tune now Tim and you know it. Do you smell the Arab spring? Do you realize how much you're backpeddling even as you continue to support torture? Dude wake up and ink a peace symbol on your sleeve or I'm going to post your old vlogs.
zenguin13 9 months ago
@zenguin13 what part of the arab srping do you like...the military junta nd muslim brotherhood taking egypt or the slaughters in bahrain and syria? Perhap the illegal bombing of lybia with no congressional approval? Oil war ok for obama huh? What democracy has come out of the arab srping. None.
battim 9 months ago
@battim post away whiny hypocrite...there is no different tune...two hundred men in apkistan died in response to the bin laden assassination. Nice trade. I was against all of bushs wars...and I am against obamas wars. His middle east policy is a mess
battim 9 months ago
You wouldn't want them all to be under the rule of propped up dictators paid for by American tax dollars and under the threat of the American military complex would you? Or would you? Teach your kids not to get what you want by authoritative threats and subversion but with mutally beneficial and peaceful outcomes. See cause when they fearmonger here in the US..we all go out and but shit like good consumers but when it happens to people with no money to buy anything,,people just die.
zenguin13 9 months ago
@zenguin13 instead they are run by a military junta run by the united states. Egypt is not a democracy. The christians and women are beaten for demonstrating for their rights. Subversion lioke raping cbs journalists and instituting sharia law you mean? You are a joke. Really. Have become a moron. Used to be bright. Now just naieve. Lol
battim 9 months ago
@zenguin13 mutually beneficial peaceful outcomes? Lol.. iranians syrians bahranians lybians slaughtered. Coptics and women in egypt beaten and killed for demonstrating for their rights. A junta in place. Democracy? Peace? Thousands slaughtered you mean? You lie to yourself regularly?
battim 9 months ago
@battim The truth of the matter my bitchy warhawk..that it's in a state of change of which you don't know the outcome and which would have never have happened under Dick Cheney's (oh I mean Bush's) and it was his war not Obama's.. You should go back and listen to Obama's Cairo speech Fact is they're fighting for democracy and yes even capatalism. See,, they want blue jeans and barbie dolls.
zenguin13 9 months ago
@zenguin13 never been a warhawk. No you are just a filthy liar. Was against the iraq...lybian...and afghan war. Stated dozens of times over five years here on youtube. You support obama who has expeanded war throigh the region. Makes you the war hawk. They are all his wars now. He tripled afghanistan. Vietnam wasn't nixons war by your logci. Lol
battim 9 months ago
@battim A "filthy lair" see how you try to provoke ma and you just look like an asshole? again?
zenguin13 9 months ago
@zenguin13 because you are a filthy liar. you claimed a person who has been against every war since i have been alive a warhawk. that makes you a filthy liar.
battim 9 months ago
@battim "Perhap (sic) the illegal bombing of lybia with no congressional approval?" Using the war powers act to prove anything about the last five or six presidents is a stupid gamit. You really want to play this one out in front of the intelligent people on your channel? Or maybe you should back off this one...right? I know you aren't misinformed on this but you seem to think that you can get away with it by playing out a little misinformation,
zenguin13 9 months ago
@zenguin13 war powers act expired last week. He is currently in violation of the law. Nice try. The last five or soix presidents got congrssional approval for their oil war. Obama is winging it with his oil war. Arab spring? Lol. Military juntas and worst suppression than ever. Brilliant. Freedom lololololol.
battim 9 months ago
@battim you're totally wrong there. I don't think you're that mis-informed so I'll just say you're lying.
zenguin13 9 months ago
@zenguin13 Despite the apparent non-ambiguity of its language, the War Powers Resolution has been regularly ignored by presidents of both parties.
zenguin13 9 months ago
@zenguin13 so you defend it when obama uses it but not when bush uses it? hypocrite anyone?
battim 9 months ago
@battim uh that's what you're saying ..I never said that.
zenguin13 9 months ago
@zenguin13 never made a video advocating war. Ever. You on the other hand are advocating egyptina military rule. That's what your arab spring gave them
battim 9 months ago
@battim You're a big dope trying act like you don't care about most of Islam who are just regular people trying to get along. If I didn't call you on it I would be remiss. If you didn't make it all that it wouldn't BE all that.
zenguin13 9 months ago
@zenguin13 the war powers act that allowed obama to act with nato in lybia expired last week. no lie there.
battim 9 months ago
@battim Violation of the,,,Wha?? you must be joking. So you're a death penalty advocate right? Eye for eye, tooth for tooth guy Big tough guy huh? Pass the bread and let us all bow our heads and pray? It's stupid Tim, get it through your thickness. You're not a tough guy, You're an INTERNET tough guy. What if somebody stoled your car...are you going to go and steal their car? You're a child dude wake up and join we adults who lead by example and not revenge.
zenguin13 9 months ago
@zenguin13 no. not a death penalty advocate. never claimed to be. i don't pray, i am an atheist. as for internet tough guy, i really have no idea where you are going with that. you don't know me. you know a tiny part of me i share here. thats all. no more no less. i have no idea where you are going with the revenge thing...that was obama, not me.
battim 9 months ago
@battim So you know obama but I don't know you....You only post every other fucking day here,,lol get real everybody within earshot knows enough about you. What do you think you're hiding behind a tree or something?hahah we all know who you are and you are a warmonging verbally abusive all talk internet tough guy. So live with it ..put the coat that you sewed on and made your self and stop calling other people hypocrites from your glass house.
zenguin13 9 months ago
@zenguin13 I was and am against all the wars. You are only for wars democrats start and continue and triple resources to. You support military junta in egypt. You will not find ?e advocating any war at any time. You are boring. Could you at least argue against something I actually said?
battim 9 months ago
@battim - ok I see the distinction you are making now. War on terror is needed and doable without invading countries with hundreds of thousands of troops. When I said I thought the past 10 years was only
The beginning this is what I was referring to. Troops will come home soon but what is called the war on terror has no end in site.
dennis4g1 9 months ago
That Martin Luther King quote is a forgery.
CadicusTheDamned 9 months ago
@CadicusTheDamned Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....The chain reaction of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.
Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength To Love, 1963, page 53.
battim 9 months ago
@battim - what wAs the alternative? Do nothing? Hope it never happens again? Hope the fuckers decide to stop hating us and leave us alone? I'm afraid 10 years is just the begining. Getting the guy was just 1 high profile objective among 10 years of others that evididently have prevented further promised attacks. This sucks. I hate
It. I hate the price we have to pay. I just don't see another way.
dennis4g1 9 months ago
@dennis4g1 no. do it as a police action. as it was done. we got him because of good old fashioned poice works. not a war that cost a trillion and killed thousands of our best. we got the guys who told us what we need to know in the first two months. its been tens years.
battim 9 months ago
@battim How does US history explain the invading of Afghanistan and Iraq? for the past decade their position on this question has been contradicted to no end...Today, the only reasonable response left is an admission of war crime atrocities and treason. Of course this admission would warrant indictments and the subsequent execution of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and gang. Seriously though, what gives....Terrorists? WMD? WTF? If US wants respect they are gonna have to answer to the world on this.
MrDaemonB 9 months ago
@MrDaemonB the world is quite happy for the most part except for you and a few other whackos who think. Hussein and bin laden are good guys. War crimes? For talking out mass murderers and genocidal dictators? Make up your mind. First you whine abour us supporting themmm then you whine about us talking then out? U that dumb?
battim 9 months ago
@battim when you refer to the world, do you mean the indoctrinated media lapping folk ?(less than 2% of the worlds population)...also The blatant and unprovoked invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq had nothing to do with Osama,Saddam,terrorists or WMD. Are you aware of the civilian death tolls? Direct; probably close to a million .Indirect;, far more.If they're not American lives I guess it dosent matter to an American. Who's the genocidal dictator now?
MrDaemonB 9 months ago
@MrDaemonB no i would mean the bulk of the governments of the world.
battim 9 months ago
@battim committing mass murder to kill a mass murderer?dumb? Hussein was horrible, but what he was,was a product of the US regime in the first place. Osama? I think he is viewed by most as a kind of Robin Hood type guy, standing up to the Empire and showing the little guy that Goliath isn't impenetrable...Anyhow, go back to your CNN and believe a bogus version of reality....God is Good
MrDaemonB 9 months ago
@battim. Revenge for revenge sake - no. Making the point that your not going to get away with slapping me with the intent of preventing future slaps - I think yes. I feel like Obama defending the bailouts saying it would have been disaster if it wasn't done. We will never know but I believe if we didn't respond the way we have for the past 10 years to 9/11 a lot more civilian Americans would be dead.
dennis4g1 9 months ago
@dennis4g1 the taliban is advancing. Most of al quaeda still free. We got one guy. We didn't stop them from attacking us through the military....that was homeland. I just don't know. Ten years. Twice as long as WW2...tens of thousands wounded...missing limbs...more with ptsd...one guy. What have we stopped?
battim 9 months ago
An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere. Until the people in US can empathize for the worlds majority who have for decades been oppressed by US sponsored dictatorships who regularly commit mass murder,terrorism and genocide, there will always be extremists who on there last straw lash out. Because we in N America are not affected is no reason to turn a blind eye, let alone support our imperialist foreign policies, and allow our government to get away with terrorism and war crimes
MrDaemonB 9 months ago
@MrDaemonB yeah like dictator we support in myramar...oh that's chna and india...or that guy in sudan...oh that's china and the arab league...or that guy in venezuala...oh that's russia..north korea? The chinese. We tossed hussein..suharto..hitler..soviets...franco...etc...balanced view would help
battim 9 months ago
@battim we fully supported Hussein, the Shaw of Iran, Pol Pot, Suharto,Hitler,khaddafi, Amin, Milocevic,Bin Laden,Israel, to name a few...not to mention the many atrocities in Central and South America, Countless terrorist Organizations. Lets not forget our venture to squash any chance of a Nationalist Independent government in Vietnam. All the micro dictators in Africa we sell arms to,Condemning millios to genocide. Note that USA recognized Nelson Mendela as a leading terrorist!
MrDaemonB 9 months ago
@MrDaemonB hussein was mostly supported by the soviets, hence why he had soviet arms. The Shah I'll give you, but its no better now. Quadafi is someone we bombed twice. Amin we did not support. Milocevich we ousted. Bin laden, never. We supported the pushtan rebel mujjhahadeen, israel not a dictatorship....we've done some shitty things in south america, granted, but the alternative haven't been much better. my point was, larger powers will always do this. whats that got to do with this?
battim 9 months ago
@battim Well, Here in North America we hear an endless barrage of propaganda.Atrocities justifying more atrocities .Instead of looking at what everyone else is doing, we ought to look at our own actions. Like I said, the only way to stop or at least curb terrorism is to stop doing it....all this Bin Laden business, Probably a hoax or propaganda scheme to gain political support for something big around the corner. I think that US wants to slaughter Iranians next.
MrDaemonB 9 months ago
@MrDaemonB that said mendela was no saint. there aren't always clear cut good guys and bad guys. pol pot is just ridiculous. so is hitler. we fought them both. if you want to see the world in terms of good guys and bad guys well its certainly not an objective perspective.
battim 9 months ago
@MrDaemonB all that said...showing your simplified version of historical events...a balanced view is in order. all sides have self interested motives. some ideologically driven and some politically driven. both of which are driven by a need for resources aka wealth. regardless of their reasoning, if you strip away all the ideologies and who is winning and losing...what you see is all of them suck. israelis and palestinians. the larger powers and the smaller powers that oppress their own
battim 9 months ago
@battim - so my choices are "an eye for an eye" or "turn the other cheek". I would love for the violence, hatred, and war that has plagued mankind since man stood upright to end and the idealism of MLK's words to become the worlds MO. Until then turning the other cheek will only get you a second black eye.
dennis4g1 9 months ago
@dennis4g1 my point is...if you don't turn the other cheek and its means now you must sacrifice thousands of young men and trillions of dollars to enact your revenge on said slapper...is the revenge worth it?
battim 9 months ago
nice mask
MorpheusWasRight 10 months ago
why do you say he is dead ... where is the body?tell me........where is it?//
skinny471 10 months ago
@skinny471 its in the bottom of the sea. did you think we woud parade it in a world wide tour like jesse james? we have pieces of he body with dna and it seems as if the pictures will be released. i cuold bring his body to your home and you wouldnt believe it. hamas believes it. al quaeda believes it. but you don't. odd..
battim 10 months ago
Obama, being the president of the worlds leading terrorist state. Condemning and murdering an alleged terrorist is mind boggling. The solution to stopping terrorism is to stop doing it!
MrDaemonB 10 months ago
@MrDaemonB top terrorist state? silly. i suppose you'd rather live in the sudan or myrramar than the united states of even iraq, huh?
battim 10 months ago
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MrDaemonB 9 months ago
**Kisses**
ASECONDCHANCEAROUND 10 months ago
i am glad he is dead. He made the world hate the USA and the USA hate Muslims. Ding dong Bin Laden Is Dead.
muse54 10 months ago
@muse54 people have always hated the usa and what it stands for. The cold war was never more polarized. The alpha dog is always a target. So is any group that challenges old paradigms of human organization. We aree both.
battim 10 months ago
@muse54 actually USA made the world hate USA
MrDaemonB 9 months ago
@MrDaemonB what horseshit. lol. is that why the world buys up american culture in the trillions of dollars? lol.
battim 9 months ago
@battim people are like sheep...corporate propaganda tells the sheep what to do, and they do it. Why else would people buy US culture? silly
MrDaemonB 9 months ago
@MrDaemonB because they like it. The chinese like it...so much for your theory...
battim 9 months ago
So much to say, but I'll leave most of it unsaid. I will say this - while I didn't rush into the streets to cheer and to chant, "USA!" I do believe the harsh judgment of those who did is entirely too simplified. I don't believe they are celebrating the death of a human being, for bin Laden was sub-human, but rather celebrating the elimination of the spearhead of terrorism, it's most symbolic icon.
Michelle5451 10 months ago 2
At the end of the day I think folks oughta react however they choose to react and high horses oughta be left in the stable.
Michelle5451 10 months ago
@Michelle5451 my point is...all this for a few hundred guys....either it was completely mismanaged...or it simply cost in blood sweat tears and cash way to much imho. Over a figure head?
battim 10 months ago
@battim I view it all as trying to put an end to the escalation of their attacks. The past 10 yrs haven't been about only bin Laden, it's been about al Qaeda in it's entirety. Getting bin Laden was simply getting the head of the snake. What were we supposed to do? Ignore what they did on 9/11/01? We tried that method all through the 90's when Clinton did nothing while al Qaeda, under the direction of bin Laden was killing Americans around the world.
Michelle5451 10 months ago
We took it, turned the other cheek. Did that make them stop or simmer down? No, it made them more motivated to get our attention. They got our attention on Tuesday, September 11, 2001. Perhaps if we'd taken the events in the 90's more seriously, it never EVER would have gotten to this point.
Michelle5451 10 months ago
I'm getting the impression you believe we should have done nothing. I hope I'm misinterpreting you. All this for a few hundred guys? I don't see it that way, at all. I see it as "all this" to turn the escalator off. We left it running entirely too long.
Michelle5451 10 months ago
@Michelle5451 I will be called insane, I will be ridiculed, I will be showered with contempt, for this opinion. I do not care.
The War on Terror is nothing but an evil lie, used to justify the advancement of fascism domestically, and avaricious neo-colonialism abroad. This is true of all the Western countries; not merely America. The terrorist attacks which justify it, are false flag, and carried out by Arabs deemed expendable, on the orders of Western governments.
petrus4 10 months ago
@petrus4 I do not think you are insane. Are you implying that bin laden and al quaeda were not responsible for 911? Are you claiming bin laden organized this at the behest of the usa?
battim 10 months ago
@battim Yes, Bin Laden personally gave 19 Saudis box cutters and managed to get them all through airport security without alerting any suspicion what so ever...
He also taught them how to fly jets into buildings at pin point precision too...
He somehow stopped NORAD from scrambling fighter jets to intercept the aircraft also...
He somehow jammed the radar and GPS to so nobody noticed flight path deviation...
/sarcasm, Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11, I don't think he even funded it.
DackIsBack 10 months ago
@DackIsBack here we go...
battim 10 months ago
@battim Well, it was a decent conversation while it lasted. I saw your replies to my comments and had more to say, but lost all interest when I saw that conspiracy bullshit hijacked my conversation with you. Outta here. Take care.
Michelle5451 10 months ago
@Michelle5451 that'll do it. i don't dislike conspiracists, i just feel sorry for their lack of ciritcal thinking
battim 10 months ago
@battim You're a better person than me. You feel sorry for them, they disgust me. You call it lack of critical thinking, I call it willful ignorance. They value conspiracy theories because it feeds their contempt for government and choose to ignore and/or molest solid facts. I wonder how much PM Howard paid JI to kill 88 Australians in Bali in 2002. =eyefkngroll=
Michelle5451 10 months ago
@Michelle5451 it was the japanese who were behind that in bali. Lol. One thing I will give the balinese...they know who fucking killed them and made them pay. The ROI took out four mosques three days later.
battim 9 months ago
@battim I don't claim to know the precise details, but most of what I've seen, has led me to believe that bin Laden may have been hired or somehow outsourced to perform the attacks, yes. I've read a lot of reports of Bush and his father meeting with bin Laden's family, bin Laden receiving kidney dialysis and treatment, money changing hands...and then a video appearing when Bush needed it for his re-election, etc.
There are just a few too many such coincidences, in my mind.
petrus4 10 months ago
@petrus4 Maybe he's just more than willing to take the glory.
Every time an attack happens there's someone(some lying) claiming they did it...
If you could take the credit for winning a battle, would you? There are plenty of that mindset.
DackIsBack 10 months ago
@DackIsBack or there are peoplewho took credit that we have on video getting on the planes. lol. not even arabic academics deny that bin laden was behind it. silly.
battim 10 months ago
@petrus4 petrus what we see on video can be decieving. bin laden wouldnt have to hand them box cutter to buy them for 40 bucks at walmart. visa were student visas given to go to pilot school. al quaeda admitted to doing it. we have videos of them getting on the place. we have multiple internations schhols of physics that explained the collpase of the buildings. nothing indicates a bush conspiracy bin ladens family hated osama so what? my cousin killed someone, that make me a murderer?
battim 10 months ago
@battim Basically there is or was a symbiotic relationship. Osama does something and gets paid off, and then Osama comes back and helps Bush get re-elected etc. bin Laden gets lots of new recruits from it, as well as money in payment from the Bushes; the American government gets a bogeyman who persuades the public to sign them a blank check, for whatever they want to do.
In other words, I can very clearly see probably cause.
petrus4 10 months ago
@petrus4 As with serial killers, They've been known to take credit for murders they didn't commit... they hear about murders and "turn themselves in".
DackIsBack 10 months ago
@DackIsBack you are speculating. its ridiculous. no evidence. all speculation and disparate facts. simply...not real. zetgeist is mind candy for the paranoid.
battim 10 months ago
@petrus4 so then they kill such a good ally? lol. there were plenty of folks who had motive to attack the united states. lets just ignore those one hundred probable causes. lol. evidence is not a probable cause theory. my 5 year old can come up with motive.
battim 10 months ago
@petrus4 osama didn't need to "get paid off" the guy has plenty of financial resources. youre whole using this doofus to get elected done in a studio thing is just weird. i gotta tell you. again petrus, probable cause and many nations have probable cause to attack the usa, is not evidence of truth. its speculation. no proof. no dice.
battim 9 months ago
@Michelle5451 its still on. Its always been on. This is nothing new. Done nothing? No. Fight a war for ten years...spend trillions and lose thoudans more of our men and women? Has this destroyed jihadist movements abroad? Nope. One guy. That is all it was. Friend have lost limbs. For what? One guy.
battim 10 months ago
@Michelle5451 so we should fight a ten year war and spend trillions? I am not a pacifist. Just doing a cost analysis. Al quaeda was not taken down by this war...but by police work. The rest of it was window dressing to funnel money through the system. Has afghanistan changed?
battim 10 months ago
@Michelle5451 but I will say this. The left in this country smeared bush. For politcal gain they ostracized him like he was hitler all the while they financed it. All of a sudden obama get the asshole and everything is warranted. Torture is fine. Trillions on war is fine. Lybian oil wars are fine. Fuck them.
battim 10 months ago
@battim I agree with you 100% about the Bush policy comment. I've been enraged all this week over the hypocrisy. Most on the left, Obama and Pelosi included, bashed and trashed Bush for his detention and interrogation policies, the CIA prisons in Europe, Gitmo, etc. and yet...lookie here - information extracted from detainees created a lead that started four years ago lead to what happened Monday morning. And they're all hailing King Obama. I want to vomit.
Michelle5451 10 months ago
@Michelle5451 and now they are trying to back off. Its hysterical watching them scurry even after pannetta admitted enhanced interrogation gave us some intel. My friend who works for obama is so mad at me for calling hin out on facebook
battim 9 months ago
good stuff, tim
Xelanderthomas 10 months ago
@Xelanderthomas good to see you...how you beeen?
battim 10 months ago
from bottom up
100LEGIONS 10 months ago
The wicked witch of the middle east is dead...
But all his minions are more radicalised than ever... Because we keep giving them reasons to be radicals.
DackIsBack 10 months ago
@DackIsBack they will be radicals whether we give them a reason or not.
battim 10 months ago
@battim Yeah but if America provokes them... Guess who they'll want to attack first.
Let them fight each other, They've been doing that for hundreds of years, If they fuck with neighbouring countries... Well, I think they can defend themselves.
I'm In the UK, I think Europe could lay waste to the middle east in a real war, America didn't get involved in WWII until the war was more than half fought...
Times are different, There's very little infighting in Europe, the Arabs fail at warfare.
DackIsBack 10 months ago
@DackIsBack america was too busy fighting for the most part alone is asia...and you mean halfway through as in when you were all getting your asses handed to you half way?
battim 10 months ago
@battim The Germans where a force to be reckoned with... They're on our side now.
DackIsBack 10 months ago
@battim By "real war" I mean a war of aggression coming from an Islamic nation or coalition...
Not that this isn't a real war, It's a resource war, Don't let "war on terror" fool you...
Politicians couldn't give a fuck about stopping terrorism, If they did, They would change tactics.
DackIsBack 10 months ago
@DackIsBack afghanistan is not a resource war. iraq is two fold...geopolitical and oil. lybia mostly oil...some naval strategy. pretty much, in america, we have stopped teorrorism give or take a crazy every five years. that was going on long before al quaeda.
battim 10 months ago
@battim Afghanistan produces over 80% of the worlds opium, Look at the opium production over the last 20 years, It remained below 6000 metric tons until the U.S lead invasion in 2001, Then it dropped to less than 2000 tones... Allot of the crops where eradicated, As was shown on the news...
Then in 2002 we see production soar, Explain the sudden drop in production and subsequent Opium/Heroin boom, Allot of that heroin is coming to Glasgow, There's so much it's cheaper than candy.
DackIsBack 10 months ago
@battim (continued)
What the hell am I supposed to think those poor farmers with nothing but dirt unscaled production to that degree on their own? The crop is worth BILLIONS by time it's on the street...
Especially with the hundreds of photographs of U.S troops guarding Massive Opium Crops all over the internet...
There's no sign of production going down, A bunch of liars will tell you it is but there's no reason to believe so.
DackIsBack 10 months ago
@DackIsBack and that crop can grow anywhere. its not worth billions on the back end. drug dealers have been getting opium for centuries. they get it from anywhere. i suppose you didn't look up "poppy photos faked" did you?
battim 10 months ago
@battim upscaled*
there are a few typo's, I apologies... I've been up all night watching Osama vids.
DackIsBack 10 months ago
@DackIsBack perhap you should read something academic. videos are hardly an academic source
battim 10 months ago
@battim Search google images for "opium production", It'll bring up several graphs, some are more accurate than others... take your pick.
DackIsBack 10 months ago
@DackIsBack lol. their is opium production in north korea too. that mean we back that regime too? explain the scores of video showing us troops burning poppie fields...that just to throw the conspiracists off? poppy can grow anywhere. anywhere.
battim 10 months ago
I am concerned at the celebratory mood in this country. It reminds me of nothing so much as the street celebrations in 1991 when Iraqi missiles rained down on Tel Aviv, which I and most Americans found disgusting. I am also concerned that there was apparently never any plan nor intent to take Bin Laden in any other condition but dead. In fact, I greatly suspect that he was executed rather than killed in an exchange of fire.
DynaCatlovesme 10 months ago
@DynaCatlovesme me too. been discussing this on facebook for two days. what bothers me most is the bloodthirsty element of the left all of a sudden. the hypocrisy is so goofy. they are all for oil wars in lybia, all for the afghan war now...all for expending lives and trillions to get one guy. very odd indeed.
battim 10 months ago
It is good they finally got him, but the extremist jihad folk will make him a martyr and it will not end the violence... The Taliban launched their so-called spring offensive with a 12 year old suicide bomber a few days ago. These folks understand nothing but dying... Those who harbor hatred in their hearts are consumed by it...
PappyStu 10 months ago
@PappyStu in fact we may see an uptick. this kind of enemy is not easy to defeat without stepping over all kinds of ethical lines. you know what i mean, sailor.
battim 10 months ago
@battim We can't please all of the people all of the time... Pointless to try... Good to see ya online again... Been a spell...
PappyStu 10 months ago
@PappyStu problem jis the same folks who turned bush into satan incarnate are now flag waving torture supporters...interesting.
battim 10 months ago
@battim IMO almost all folks who aspire to hardline ideologies practice hypocrisy... For it is the only way they can remain true to their absolutism. Human nature never lends itself to monistic philosophy. Where would we be without our rose colored glasses? VBG
PappyStu 10 months ago
@PappyStu can't disagree with that.
battim 10 months ago
I understand the sentiment, & can relate, but the quote isn't legit.
"The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity" -Abraham Lincoln
You make some good points. I just wish you could find a better hat. >:)
JustA11en 10 months ago
@JustA11en i like team that dont have to buy players to win. its easy to win when you get more marbles. it like playing scrabble and one guy gets twenty letters and the other get four. not really fair. you know yankee fan...its the only sport where teams get advantages financially. kind of sad. the quote is 80 percent legit. look it up. the first part was a wrong sttributed, the final part is sourced in my description. your source is bad.
battim 10 months ago
@battim You're getting touchy in your old age, pops. :)
The pertinent part of the quote is what was fabricated. Wasn't pointing it out to be an asshole. It spread like wildfire yesterday & just wasn't accurate. Didn't know if you realized.
MLB is built on capitalism, which is one of the major reasons America is different than the rest of the world. It's not that the owners of the Orioles couldn't spend more. They have no interest in building a contender. They only spend enough to keep selling
JustA11en 10 months ago
merchandice & putting butts in the seats. Their payroll is in the middle of the pack, not even close to the lowest. They've just made a habit of spending unwisely since the mid 90s.
JustA11en 10 months ago
@JustA11en the yankees have the highest payroll, three times the amount of scouts and development money. that is not capitalism. adam smith lambasted systems that allowed uneven competition. new york has the luck of the geographic draw. its the largest market. more people mena more folks in seats. more corporate sponsorship. more television revenue.l the yankkess didn't make new york the biggest market in the world, they just happen to be there. lol.
battim 10 months ago
@battim so its luck of the draw...it really hard to spend 30 million on a front line starter? that doesnt take genius or hard work. lol. oh look cleveland developed cc sabathia. he wins alot. we can buy him. that is genius? lol. oh look seattle developed arod. texas cant afford him no more. we can buy him. genius. lol. texeira wants the highest bid. we can give him that. lets buy him. real brilliance. my son could do that.
battim 10 months ago
@battim I think bin laden could of been killed or captured alooooonnnnnng time ago if he was hiding in a compound like that. I think this was just staged at the right time so obama can win the up and coming presidency. And we should all be asking the obvious question: WHERE IS PICTURES OF BIN LADEN'S FUCKING BODY??? Should we take the government's word for it (seeing how the government has a bad record on being honest with the people)?
100LEGIONS 10 months ago
@100LEGIONS i do not. or else he would have waited 18 month from now when the election is actually going to happen
battim 10 months ago
@100LEGIONS the picture are forthcoming. Photos prove little...dna proves a lot. Why say something now and not wait for the election in eighteen months?
battim 10 months ago
@battim the body was disposed of awfully quickly and in accordance with muslim tradition. Dumped at sea (which some muslims are saying , its wrong). I know the U.S. forces dont know anything about muslim burials, but damm, they hastily wrapped bin laden up and dumped him at sea and talked as if they knew exactly what they were doing.
100LEGIONS 10 months ago
@100LEGIONS some muslims say everything is wrong. Just the fact they are concerned makes me think they consider bin laden a true muslim. Scary. it took days to prepare for this...perhaps they did know.
battim 10 months ago
@JustA11en lol. the nfl and nba are built on capitalism, but they have parity. its one of the major reasons MLB is dying and the NFL is thriving. As for you saying they have no interest in buidling a contender...dude it was only ten years ago thebyankees fans cheated to keep the o's out of the wolrd series. its impossible for small marlets to compete and make money. lol. that is reality. the entire quote is pertinent to me. its fabrication doesn't take away from its essence.
battim 10 months ago
hey man funny thing is way as i feel about it. thing is my German colleges all are asking is i celebrated his death, all i could tell them was why celebrate. you tell most of them that hes been dead a while they look at you like your nuts.
xLowLightx 10 months ago
@xLowLightx i am confused, you think he has been dead while or do you mean just tactically dead?
battim 10 months ago
@battim ive thought he has been dead for a while.only because he was on dialysis if i remember correctly. i know you said that it was a hard thing to do was to find him but i personally cant believe that our spec teams couldnt find on man. i was military and i know what a normal soldier can do i know what spec teams can do. just my feelings.
xLowLightx 10 months ago
@xLowLightx it actually is a hard thing to do given his resources and such. pakistan is a weird tribal difficult place. there are fugitives all over the world that noone can find. special teams are limited by their intel and our intel was constantly being tossed wild goose chases. i have yet to read from one high up intelligence officer that it would be "easy" to find anyone, much less someone with the kind of network, loyalty and money bin laden had access too.
battim 10 months ago
A symbol has been shot, that's all. It's nothing more than blood revenge fulfilled.
mardastheEitheist 10 months ago
@mardastheEitheist agreed.
battim 10 months ago
For the "war on terror" I don't think it means that much, as you said there will surely still be jihadists cells wanting to hit back. I also don't see the US pulling out of Afghanistan too soon. Getting Bin Laden will send a shiver down their spines though, if he was the most protected member, then the information that led to his whereabouts, must have yielded a lot more intelligence on other Al Qaeda leaders too.
123backinyerface 10 months ago
@123backinyerface we will see what it yeilds. i am unceratin bin laden had much. we literally found his computer early on and it told us very little.
battim 10 months ago
@battim Well yeah I doubt he's the kind to keep a diary lol, but I mean there had to have been additional information that was extracted from the people who gave him up, if they knew anything about Bin Laden then they were possibly quite knowledgeable, considering the probable compartmentalization of Al Qaeda. I am just guessing of course, but I would say knowing his whereabouts would be reserved for only a very select few.
123backinyerface 10 months ago
@123backinyerface apparently noone gave him up. What we got were the names and pseudonyms of his couriers which allowed us to track them. They were killed as well.
battim 10 months ago
I just want to see our troops come home. Bin Laden was not worth all this.
FlyMario2 10 months ago
@FlyMario2 i agree. we could have gotten him using the technology we did. we got most of those gitmo guys that gave us the info very early on...why we are still there is baffling me...al queada simply pick up and moves elswhere, are we going into yemen next? are we gonna turn every country into an ashtray to find a few men?
battim 10 months ago
I don't think the end does justify the means in this instance...short or long form. I'm also not jumping up and down singing our national anthem because we killed this guy...I'd be singing it if we captured and tried him. I don't think justice was served.
grumpychuck 10 months ago
@grumpychuck well i am not sure bin laden would have come in alive. but i am with you...i haven't put a flag anywhere on my person on websites to glorify it either.
battim 10 months ago
Dude got what was coming to him. If he truly did get shot in the head and died. I'm always suspect of the government lying.
boobtubious 10 months ago
@boobtubious maybe so. i certainly can't disagree he had it coming, but was it worth the resources? should it have cost us about 4000 dollars per us citizen to get him? really? and those are just the incrememtnal military costs. they will give us concrete proof. we will have pictures and dna. when you have hamas accepting its validity you know that it probably true.
battim 10 months ago
I feel this is a very hollow victory, to get this man has to much resources and innocent lifes been wasted. USA hunt has created more enemies to USA and done more damage to USA then what Bin Ladin ever could have done if we had ignored him. This is a classic Pyrrhic victory. Dont take this as i have any sympathies for bin ladin he got what he deserve but to what cost.
Gripen1974 10 months ago
@Gripen1974 gripen, i just had this argument with someone. i agree. not feeling good aboutt killing someone is not the same as sympathizing with them. i am an atheist, i have major issues with fundementalist theocratic movements. they make me sick. i disdain them. it still doesn't justify taking food off of folks plates to stop it. we hav spent centuries making our civilization here egalatarian and as free as a modern society can be. they have a models to choose from if they want change.
battim 10 months ago
you have provided the best commentary I have heard on this event.
d3rkaderk4 10 months ago
@d3rkaderk4 thank you
battim 10 months ago
I'll be honest, I had a good time when I heard he was killed. I mean I think people are entitled to it. He was a horrible guy, he did horrible things. After having said that, I look around at the rejoicing, and the insane media coverage, and I cant help but feel this says something about people. Here we all are, celebrating the murder of someone else. Regardless of whether he deserved it or not, it seems fucked up to me. Still glad he's gone, but this speaks volumes man.
TeddyChan2021 10 months ago
@TeddyChan2021 not murder, they offered him the chance to surrender and he and his people started shooting. That's not murder.
boxingboycow 10 months ago
@boxingboycow as much as i agree, should we be celebrating it?
battim 10 months ago
@battim No, I don't think there is anything to celebrate. It's a good morale boost for the boots on the ground. It is good news for the war on terror to prove that we are going to be relentless against terror. But, I feel in killin OBL we only reached a small hurdle. No reason to dance in the streets and chant USA USA USA....this war is years from over.
boxingboycow 10 months ago
@boxingboycow is it a great morale booster? I have seen nothing that indicates that. I spoke to four guys on leave today. They are so sick of the way obama has tied their hands in afghanistan that it didn't seem to effect their mood at all. Kids fighting for tens years...that has never...ever happened in us history. Relentless is good? Bankrupting us good?
battim 10 months ago
@boxingboycow apparently bin laden was unarmed my friend
battim 10 months ago
@battim lol yeah I just read that today, with the spin of "he was reaching for a weapon" lol love a story with holes.
boxingboycow 9 months ago
@boxingboycow we went in with a likk order. Period.
battim 9 months ago
@TeddyChan2021 yes object