The novel On her majestys secret service plays before you only live twice,and the point is unusually to the other bond movies who only used the title of the books and some points of the plot,Peter Hunt who directed OHMSS followed in many points the novel,so we have here a movie who is very close on the novel it based from,but unfortenly it doesnt make any sense in the film series,however still one the bost bond movies ever.
This does somewhat lend credence to the idea that the name "James Bond" is just a code-name and every new actor to play bond is in fact a new person in the fiction of the James Bond series.
So in theory Daniel Craig could meet Sean Connery to get advice on how to "be Bond" and I think he'd have quite a bit of advice for him.
Someone must have mentioned this already, but the Fleming novels sequence was the reverse of the film series, so OHMSS was the first meeting and YOLT is Bond's revenge.
Personally I think that Blofeld in OHMSS was just "playing along" with Bond but he wanted to make sure who he was. And like his suspiscions were confirmed when he found out that he was sleeping with the women in the clinic
Well... um... well... because, see, Bond was wearing a cravat and his voice was dubbed and, um, Blofeld is Kojack, I mean, he cut off his earlobes.
It's just a stupid broken plot thread that arose due to the fact that Eon made the films in a different order from the novels and couldn't come up with any good ideas that could effectively fix this little problem. They also had a habit of ignoring BIG events from the past films. (read: end of OHMSS, until mentioned in FYEO)
the plastic surgery of bond WAS almost used. So u are practically right in that sense. Personally they should have done that to explain the reason for a different actor playing bond
they are two different actors. the first one is the same actor that plays the blind soldier in the GREAT ESCAPE, the one who was preparing the passports for the soldiers to escape of the camp.
The thing I really don't understand about Blofeld is Diamonds Are Forever. At the end of OHMSS, Blofeld gets paralysed. Then he's fine in Diamonds Are Forever, but then at the start of For Your Eyes Only he's paralysed and bald again!
@MrRippy99 Blofeld didn't get paralysed, he just broke his neck. Notice how in the scene where he kills Tracy he just as a simple neck injury. The reason for him being paralysed in For Your Eyes Only is because he was stuck in a bath-o-sub which was crashed into the headquarters of his exploding oil rig. The fact that he even survived that is a miracle.
I can sort of believe that Bond doesn't recognise Blofeld because Blofeld has gone through a facial surgery (like in the books). However how Blofeld didn't recognise Bond is the filmmakers blunder.
In the original script apparently explained the away the actor change for James Bond as plastic surgery so Blofeld wouldn't recognize him. Blofeld is also a master of disguise in the novels (like a chameleon), and changes his appearance drastically which they translate into the movies by having the different actors including Donald Pleasance, Telly Savalas, and Charles Gray portray the character. I'm sure many others have commented say this as well... sorry being a repeat!
A popular reason is facial reconstruction, for that was how they wre planning on introducing the new Bond and Blofeild being who he is probably changes faces alot.
I remember being really confused by this when I first attempted to watch all the movies in chronological order. After the opening scene of this film (where Lazenby breaks the fourth wall and says "This never happened to the other fellow"), I actually thought Bond and Blofeld not recognizing each other was some kind of in-joke by the writers on the fact that they were being played by different actors...!
Umm-mm, In OHMSS, Blofeld already knows that Sr. Hilary is Bond...
Because in the movie, When Bond is compromised, Blofeld never asks Bond for his name. Blofeld addressed Sr. Hilary as 007, without asking of course, thus, he must have known who Sr. Hilary really was. I would suggest looking in deeper in the movie AND book before asking questions.
Isn't because Bond just pretending to be Sir Hilary and Blofeld predents to be Bleuchamp. They just pretend to not knowing each other to play their roles better!
very easy, blofeld had many people go threw plastic surgery to look like him. That's why he kills one in diamonds are forever, and this blofeld in for your eyes only
@roydon0526 Yeah but, In "For your eyes only", that was the last time we saw blofeld. Also, supposedly the Blofeld in "You only live twice" and "On her majesty's secret service" is the same, just with some cosmetic differences in OHMSS to stay under the radar from Bond and the rest of the world. Then In "Diamonds are forever", They kind of went along with a solid character continuity of changing blofeld's face, which at first was an excuse for using different actors.
I know it's wierd. because just imagine the characters as the actors from YOLT in OHMSS, if they had the same faces as from the previous film, then blofeld would surely hav found out bond was in disguise lol
Ian flemmings has stated that Blofeld is a camelion type... he can change apperence... thats why he is compleatly different in eatch movie... he has also stated that bond is not different agents, just diferent acktors playing the same role... this eksplanes why James Bond does not recognise Blofeld :) I dont now why blofeld doesnt recognise Bond but who cares :D
sorry for bad english, im from norway and have dysleksia :P
like he said Blofeld did get plastic surgery and probably knew that he was Bond and didnt wanna play his cover and vice versa. but then again it is a movie and the movies did intertwine the books a bit. like certain attemps on bonds life where in different books than the movies they were in. either way still great films and books!!! for england james!!!! hahaha
In the books, Bond met Blofeld for the first time in OHMSS. Blofeld had also been in the previous book, Thunderball, but he and Bond never met. You Only Live Twice came after OHMSS in the books. It was supposed to be that way.
In the books they both had plastic surgery which changed their appearnces, plus majesty was in the books before only live twice so that sort of ruined the story order
Dit is allang bekend hoe en waarom. Ze wilden na Thunderball eerst OHMSS filmen, maar het weer zat niet mee en er werd gekozen voor YOLT. En omdat het bij de boeken eerst OHMSS is en dan YOLT, kreeg Bond plastische chirurgie en het was ook een andere acteur, dus het publiek begreep het. I hope that you can translate this (I think not) but then there are always translatingmachines or just begin studying Dutch ;)
I am Dutch, and therefore I can't resist explaining what it means: "It is long known why and how. After Thuderball they wanted to film OHMSS but the weather wasn't satisfying. Therefore they chose to film YOLT. But in the books OHMSS took place before YOLT, so they chose to give Bond plastic surgery (explaining the different actor). The audience did understand, so that's why no one had a problem with this" That is what it means, give or take a little.
While Blofeld didn't recognize Bond until Bunt discovered Bond was seducing the female patients, Bond certainly recognized Blofeld. He just wanted to keep himself in the guise of Sir Hillary Bray.
If I remember correctly, plastic surgery was going to be the reason why Blofeld couldn't recognize Bond (Thus, the explanation for the changing of actors).
Different actors playing Blofeld in every movie was intentional, because he was always changing his appearance in the books. I think that we're supposed to assume he recognized Bond.
In OHMSS, Bond was supposed to be assuming the identity of Sir Hillary, but yes, maybe he did recognize Bond. And if Blofeld was always changing his appearance in the books, that could be why.
Ok.. Some exceptions there are.. Like that he recognize jaws etc.. But overall i would say that most bondmovies dont link to eachother.. It could be like depending on wich bond character it is..
More OHMSS: One of the reasons Blofeld realizes that Sir Hilary is actually James Bond is b/c Bond made a mistake by saying that the de Bleauchamp ancestral home is in Augsburg. This is incorrect and according to Blofeld, the real Sir Hilary would have known the true location. But Bond is merely repeating information given to him by Sir Hilary himself earlier in the film. Is Blofeld wrong or is it Sir Hilary that is mistaken?
Also in OHMSS: After the bobsled fight, why doesn't Bond go back and apprehend Blofeld? He's hanging in a tree just a few yards back. And in the scene where Bond is taken to meet Tracy's father, a little guy is sweeping the floor and humming a tune. Recognize it? It's the Goldfinger theme.
Switching the order of YOLT and OHMSS has always bothered me, mainly b/c it destroys the Bond vs. Blofeld storyline which, IMO, represents Fleming's strongest work.
I might be able to justify that. You see, the books did not go in the order Ian Fleming wrote them, so i guess that the director followed the book too closely. As they say, On Her Majesty's Secret service was the movie that followed with it's book.
I've been thinking about it, and I think I got the answer: In YOLT, Bond get's plastic surgery to look like a chinese. Now, he most have still looked like that (the movie makers didn't really pay much attention to the change) when Blofeld met him, that's why, in OHMSS, when he is back to normal, Blofeld didn't reconise him.
It's quite simple. The movie of you only live twice was made before on her majesties secret service, the book of on he majesties secret service however was written before the book of you only live twice. They just made the films in a completely different order than the order in which the books were written.
Yes, you're right, but it's interesting how the movie makers have avoided explaining all this by just pretending they've never met. I suppose they didn't have much of a choice. Also I love hearing other people's theories like 'plastic surgery' or the reoccurring one that each new 007 actor is a different agent sharing the code name "James Bond". It's great everyone reads so much into it. We all love Bond so much we want to explain away any inconstancies! Thanks for your comment. :)
Then there's the more off the wall theory that both Bond and Blofeld are actually renegade Time Lords like on Doctor Who and don't recognise each other because they've both regenerated.
@dangale well in "Diamonds are forever" it is proven that Blofeld has been dabbling in plastic surgery for a while, and DAF happened immediately after OHMMSS.
so its entirely possible he had a single part of his face reconstructed already. and blofeld did recognize him, just did what all bond villians do, toy with him. however Bonds surgery happened before meeting Blofeld, so there isnt an excuse really.
and blofelds eye is normal which is his distinguishig charactaristic
@dangale it looks like MGM wanted to use that "plastic surgery" excuse cause they made blofeld use it in DAF and that is how they wanted to explain change of bond in OHMSS
My own personal theory is that for that film, Bond had to undergo some pretty extensive disguise so as not to arouse suspicion when he infiltrates Blofeld's base. This is how come we manage to get the Sean Connery Bond back in Diamonds are Forever.
If you only take the films into account, I can think of a theory that explains it. They do recognize eachother, but at the same time they realise that if they show that, the other person would have the proof the person he was talking to used a fake name. So they pretend to not have met before.
I got that theory when I heard Irma Bunt speaking to Grunter in German: 'Der Gast darf nicht zerstört worden. Er hat zwar nichts gefunden, aber bleib wachsam. Das wir ihm keinenfalls wieder nach der Direktor schicken. Das ist ja unverantwort!' Which means: 'The guest shouldn't be disturbed. Although he hasn't found anything, stay alert. We shouldn't send him to the director. That is too risky.
The only reason why that could be too risky, is because he had a hard time pretending not to know James Bond. So I think the film is correct, even though it looks like a continuity error.
That's pretty much what I'd assumed, but I like to cause debate! I'm certain, however, bookwise that Thunderball was the 1st Blofeld story, I don't think he's mentioned in Spy. Having read it, Bond's not mentioned much in Spy either!!
Yeah Thunderball was the first but the main villain for that book was Largo. And Your Right he wasnt mentioned much in the spy who loved me but SPECTRE was involved.
It's cause the Bond movie franchise ain't a series at all - it's cause they are a movie genre, giving that the lead role has been recast five times (six if you include Connery's return appearance) and a complete reboot with Casino Royale.
Have you ever been to a party before and stumbled upon a girl you made out with previously, but afterwards all participants involved (you and the girl) were so embarrassed that you both pretended not to know each other at the party? Well that's Bond & Blofled.
Interesting question. It's always been left very vague as to whether or not the Bond movies take place in continuity with one another. I get the impression the entire Bond universe semi-reboots after each movie.
Could it be, and I may be a bit of the wall here. That they are fictional characters in a fictional plot, and nobody gives a toss about continuity in a Bond Movie.
That would explain how Q give him exactly the right gadgets for each movie, he's read the script and knows what's expected.
its because blofeld had surgery and lazenby is a new bond in the story! each actor is a new agent withthe bond codename!!! hence daniel craig doing his first misson under judi denchs vetran M who we all know was a man wen bond originally started out, so casino rayale is not a prequel as so many people think it is!!
So how do you explain all the Felix Leiters? Are these all different people too? Two have been black, one was blonde, some were 30 ish, one was in his 60s, the other was a dark haired tubby man. There's no way they're all the same agent.
Oh wait.
No.
*It's a film*. Sometimes actors get replaced.
For a second there, I almost started agreeing with you.
yes actors get changed but these are deliberate changes to further prove my point. roger moore and tim dalton both had different lieters and also had the same lieter! for me a big sign in the movies saying these agents use codenames...
But what about Teresa Bond in OHMSS? In The Spy Who Loved Me, Amasova mentions the wife of Bond, who was killed on the wedding day, and Moore's Bond appears uncomfortable and tries to change the subject. Was it a coincidence, or did Moore's Bond have a deceased wife, too?
This confirms this theory that each actor is a different character is nonsense. It's meant to be the same person. Film conventions allow the characater to never age or to look slightly different occasionally. It's mean to tbe the same bloke, people! Are there also 100 different Victorian detectives called Sherlock Holmes? 20 men raised in the jungle called Tarzan? No, exactly!
well thats because roger moores bond was keeping up the trick he dosent want anyone to know that each bond is a different guy thats part of the whole thing! the whole reason lazenby left is because he could get over her death! connery had to avenge her for him!
No,007 was James Bond,as the books tell his family history.Blofeld doesn't know it's Bond,because Bond is made up in a disguise,that is very convincing.The books of OHMSS and YOLT,confirm Bonds clever disguises and his ability to decieve Blofeld.You should try reading them and then you'll see what I mean.
Yes, I read them all years ago. OHMSS and YOLT are the two best novels in my opinion. But this clip's only really referring to the films. The books have far greater continuity than the films.
sorry mate but we bin thru this b4, yes i read the books and they are nothing like the films!!! bond of the books would be a chain smoking greedy overweight rascist who didnt do much action stuff and yolt was writin by rohl dahl as an original script for the film! the continuity of the books and films are totally seperate!! and if you watch the films close enuff you will see signs that each film continues and 007 james bond is just a codename as is m, q and felix lieter!!!
Well, Bond knew that it was Blofeld in OHMSS, he was just undercover to find out what he was planning on doing. Even though it's all down to the books, I've thought it was perhaps an inside joke that there was a new Bond actor.
Of course it's all down to the fact the films were shot out of sequence with the novels, and YOLT was a completely original plot but OHMSS was almost word for word. It all meant they had to meet again and conveniently not know each other or else it would have ended the film the moment they locked eyes.
well, remember that its the 60's, disguises disappear without notice, sean connery looks exactly the same with chinese eyelips but nobody recognizes him, terrorist organizations build shuttle stations inside volcanos that are active, it just was another world in that decade.
The novel On her majestys secret service plays before you only live twice,and the point is unusually to the other bond movies who only used the title of the books and some points of the plot,Peter Hunt who directed OHMSS followed in many points the novel,so we have here a movie who is very close on the novel it based from,but unfortenly it doesnt make any sense in the film series,however still one the bost bond movies ever.
dynamiteify 5 hours ago
The answer is simple, in the original novels
ohmss was published a year before yolt
nainladen 1 week ago
@nainladen Sorry pal,wrote a similiar answer ,and didnt saw your comment,you are right,Peter Hunt just folloed very close to the novel.
dynamiteify 5 hours ago
In my opinion, George Lazenby played a new Bond to Connery, so it's just a code name, and Lazenby is a new character
MrFriskAnimation 4 weeks ago
This does somewhat lend credence to the idea that the name "James Bond" is just a code-name and every new actor to play bond is in fact a new person in the fiction of the James Bond series.
So in theory Daniel Craig could meet Sean Connery to get advice on how to "be Bond" and I think he'd have quite a bit of advice for him.
Treblaine 1 month ago
Someone must have mentioned this already, but the Fleming novels sequence was the reverse of the film series, so OHMSS was the first meeting and YOLT is Bond's revenge.
Numinous20111 1 month ago
In the novels Blofeld changes his apperence all the time througe plastic surgery. I guss its beacuse of that they change the actor in all the films.
MegaThunberg 2 months ago
@MegaThunberg
In "Of her majesty's secret service" Bond says something like "This didn't happen to the OTHER chap" making reference to the last Bond agent.
Ever notice how Blofeld says "Mr Bond." as if he's telling the agent "I know you're secret."
misterprickly 2 months ago
Personally I think that Blofeld in OHMSS was just "playing along" with Bond but he wanted to make sure who he was. And like his suspiscions were confirmed when he found out that he was sleeping with the women in the clinic
2Koranteng 2 months ago
blofeld probably had plastic surgery hence a different actor. Bond recognised him but probably wanted to investigate further before he was found out
CrossbowBond 2 months ago
2 diffrent agents assigned to the 007 title of james bond
crazyboijihad 3 months ago
blofeld used cosmetic surgery to disguise himself as was shown in the movie diamonds are forever.
doctorw2 4 months ago
In the OHMSS book, Blofeld has radically altered his appearance
Therefore it makes sense that Bond wouldn't recognize him
But technically, since they met in the previous film, Blofeld should recognize Bond
bigswano 5 months ago
@bigswano Now THIS, to me, is the REAL explanation.
TheDragonSuperman 5 months ago 2
Well... um... well... because, see, Bond was wearing a cravat and his voice was dubbed and, um, Blofeld is Kojack, I mean, he cut off his earlobes.
It's just a stupid broken plot thread that arose due to the fact that Eon made the films in a different order from the novels and couldn't come up with any good ideas that could effectively fix this little problem. They also had a habit of ignoring BIG events from the past films. (read: end of OHMSS, until mentioned in FYEO)
007fordummies 5 months ago
If I recall, the producers were going to make it a point to say that both bond and blofeld got plastic surgery but it was cut from the film
00Kavon 5 months ago
@00Kavon
the plastic surgery of bond WAS almost used. So u are practically right in that sense. Personally they should have done that to explain the reason for a different actor playing bond
CrossbowBond 2 months ago
they are two different actors. the first one is the same actor that plays the blind soldier in the GREAT ESCAPE, the one who was preparing the passports for the soldiers to escape of the camp.
fotisg22 6 months ago
@fotisg22 Donald Pleasance, also probably better known as Dr Loomis from the Halloween films.
49RonGuidry 3 months ago
The thing I really don't understand about Blofeld is Diamonds Are Forever. At the end of OHMSS, Blofeld gets paralysed. Then he's fine in Diamonds Are Forever, but then at the start of For Your Eyes Only he's paralysed and bald again!
MrRippy99 6 months ago
@MrRippy99 Lightning striking twice?
Capcoor 3 months ago
@MrRippy99 Blofeld didn't get paralysed, he just broke his neck. Notice how in the scene where he kills Tracy he just as a simple neck injury. The reason for him being paralysed in For Your Eyes Only is because he was stuck in a bath-o-sub which was crashed into the headquarters of his exploding oil rig. The fact that he even survived that is a miracle.
Xehanort4 3 months ago
Holy crap ... I'm a long time Bond fan and I never caught this LOL
scottrwn 6 months ago
I can sort of believe that Bond doesn't recognise Blofeld because Blofeld has gone through a facial surgery (like in the books). However how Blofeld didn't recognise Bond is the filmmakers blunder.
kriitikko 9 months ago
0:51 what does he say???
balthazar count of blowjob?? wtf???
KollaDudurin 11 months ago 12
@KollaDudurin
He's posing as Count Balthazer de Bleauchamp. Count of Blowjob is funnier, though. :)
dangale 10 months ago
@dangale but i think that they recognized each other but if blofeld said that he recognized bond than his disguise would fail.same for bond
1234dragonsky 8 months ago
@KollaDudurin hahahahaha yes i heard it too
1234dragonsky 8 months ago
@KollaDudurin hahaha
scarecrow7758 7 months ago
In the original script apparently explained the away the actor change for James Bond as plastic surgery so Blofeld wouldn't recognize him. Blofeld is also a master of disguise in the novels (like a chameleon), and changes his appearance drastically which they translate into the movies by having the different actors including Donald Pleasance, Telly Savalas, and Charles Gray portray the character. I'm sure many others have commented say this as well... sorry being a repeat!
MxGardiner 11 months ago
A popular reason is facial reconstruction, for that was how they wre planning on introducing the new Bond and Blofeild being who he is probably changes faces alot.
Seargent363 1 year ago
I remember being really confused by this when I first attempted to watch all the movies in chronological order. After the opening scene of this film (where Lazenby breaks the fourth wall and says "This never happened to the other fellow"), I actually thought Bond and Blofeld not recognizing each other was some kind of in-joke by the writers on the fact that they were being played by different actors...!
Russkafin 1 year ago
We meet again..MISTA BOND!!
MrGobbledegook 1 year ago
Umm-mm, In OHMSS, Blofeld already knows that Sr. Hilary is Bond...
Because in the movie, When Bond is compromised, Blofeld never asks Bond for his name. Blofeld addressed Sr. Hilary as 007, without asking of course, thus, he must have known who Sr. Hilary really was. I would suggest looking in deeper in the movie AND book before asking questions.
mohairborne95 1 year ago
@mohairborne95 yeh so he was just playing along with him and Bond also knew he was too as well
2Koranteng 2 months ago
Isn't because Bond just pretending to be Sir Hilary and Blofeld predents to be Bleuchamp. They just pretend to not knowing each other to play their roles better!
emeswede12 1 year ago
maybe its a continuity fail?
Kingdom007Hearts 1 year ago
very easy, blofeld had many people go threw plastic surgery to look like him. That's why he kills one in diamonds are forever, and this blofeld in for your eyes only
roydon0526 1 year ago
@roydon0526 Yeah but, In "For your eyes only", that was the last time we saw blofeld. Also, supposedly the Blofeld in "You only live twice" and "On her majesty's secret service" is the same, just with some cosmetic differences in OHMSS to stay under the radar from Bond and the rest of the world. Then In "Diamonds are forever", They kind of went along with a solid character continuity of changing blofeld's face, which at first was an excuse for using different actors.
mohairborne95 1 year ago
@mohairborne95 in all honesty its fucking confusing lol
roydon0526 1 year ago
@roydon0526 Yeah I know, sorry for making more confusing than it already was. lol.
mohairborne95 1 year ago
@mohairborne95 dont worry about it i dont think i could have been more confused
roydon0526 1 year ago
I know it's wierd. because just imagine the characters as the actors from YOLT in OHMSS, if they had the same faces as from the previous film, then blofeld would surely hav found out bond was in disguise lol
Lighteningpictures 1 year ago
Ian flemmings has stated that Blofeld is a camelion type... he can change apperence... thats why he is compleatly different in eatch movie... he has also stated that bond is not different agents, just diferent acktors playing the same role... this eksplanes why James Bond does not recognise Blofeld :) I dont now why blofeld doesnt recognise Bond but who cares :D
sorry for bad english, im from norway and have dysleksia :P
1234saibot 1 year ago
good point
Lighteningpictures 1 year ago
like he said Blofeld did get plastic surgery and probably knew that he was Bond and didnt wanna play his cover and vice versa. but then again it is a movie and the movies did intertwine the books a bit. like certain attemps on bonds life where in different books than the movies they were in. either way still great films and books!!! for england james!!!! hahaha
dcjoker1940 2 years ago
In the books, Bond met Blofeld for the first time in OHMSS. Blofeld had also been in the previous book, Thunderball, but he and Bond never met. You Only Live Twice came after OHMSS in the books. It was supposed to be that way.
PepulzGuys 2 years ago
In the books they both had plastic surgery which changed their appearnces, plus majesty was in the books before only live twice so that sort of ruined the story order
IronicSoul999 2 years ago
They're four different actors, that's how. ;)
amadeusyaoi 2 years ago
Oh true, that was what I'm stumped on too every time I watch the movie
Loewenherz27 2 years ago
Because ohmss very closely follows the original novel. I guess the novel took place before a certain movie?
sheemobile 2 years ago
I have to do this writing in Dutch.
Dit is allang bekend hoe en waarom. Ze wilden na Thunderball eerst OHMSS filmen, maar het weer zat niet mee en er werd gekozen voor YOLT. En omdat het bij de boeken eerst OHMSS is en dan YOLT, kreeg Bond plastische chirurgie en het was ook een andere acteur, dus het publiek begreep het. I hope that you can translate this (I think not) but then there are always translatingmachines or just begin studying Dutch ;)
77Ruud 2 years ago
I am Dutch, and therefore I can't resist explaining what it means: "It is long known why and how. After Thuderball they wanted to film OHMSS but the weather wasn't satisfying. Therefore they chose to film YOLT. But in the books OHMSS took place before YOLT, so they chose to give Bond plastic surgery (explaining the different actor). The audience did understand, so that's why no one had a problem with this" That is what it means, give or take a little.
TheSenator007 2 years ago 3
Isn't there a rumor that Michael Sheen is going to play Blofeld in the next Bond movie?
captain07234 2 years ago
While Blofeld didn't recognize Bond until Bunt discovered Bond was seducing the female patients, Bond certainly recognized Blofeld. He just wanted to keep himself in the guise of Sir Hillary Bray.
FelixRodriguez 2 years ago 8
what country is blofeld from
07lnel 2 years ago
If I remember correctly, plastic surgery was going to be the reason why Blofeld couldn't recognize Bond (Thus, the explanation for the changing of actors).
HeadofQuantum 2 years ago 5
Different actors playing Blofeld in every movie was intentional, because he was always changing his appearance in the books. I think that we're supposed to assume he recognized Bond.
perceval23 2 years ago
In OHMSS, Bond was supposed to be assuming the identity of Sir Hillary, but yes, maybe he did recognize Bond. And if Blofeld was always changing his appearance in the books, that could be why.
hogger129 2 years ago
bond movies are not related..
Suuulan 2 years ago
why would you then explain that Bond is looking for Blofeld in DAF. Bond does that because Blofeld killed Tracy in OHMSS
nuservsjodden 2 years ago
how would you then explain that Bond wants revenge against Tracy's death in DAF.
nuservsjodden 2 years ago
Ok.. Some exceptions there are.. Like that he recognize jaws etc.. But overall i would say that most bondmovies dont link to eachother.. It could be like depending on wich bond character it is..
Suuulan 2 years ago
More OHMSS: One of the reasons Blofeld realizes that Sir Hilary is actually James Bond is b/c Bond made a mistake by saying that the de Bleauchamp ancestral home is in Augsburg. This is incorrect and according to Blofeld, the real Sir Hilary would have known the true location. But Bond is merely repeating information given to him by Sir Hilary himself earlier in the film. Is Blofeld wrong or is it Sir Hilary that is mistaken?
jksonny 2 years ago
Also in OHMSS: After the bobsled fight, why doesn't Bond go back and apprehend Blofeld? He's hanging in a tree just a few yards back. And in the scene where Bond is taken to meet Tracy's father, a little guy is sweeping the floor and humming a tune. Recognize it? It's the Goldfinger theme.
jksonny 2 years ago 3
Switching the order of YOLT and OHMSS has always bothered me, mainly b/c it destroys the Bond vs. Blofeld storyline which, IMO, represents Fleming's strongest work.
jksonny 2 years ago
Whats the name of the song played in the begaining?
sexxxyboyproductions 2 years ago
It's a different version of the Bond theme. It can be found on the OHMSS soundtrack (I think).
jksonny 2 years ago
I might be able to justify that. You see, the books did not go in the order Ian Fleming wrote them, so i guess that the director followed the book too closely. As they say, On Her Majesty's Secret service was the movie that followed with it's book.
HistoryInvestigator 2 years ago
or... Blofeld recognized him and played a game of cat and mouse. btw it was a ninja star not a knife dougpryce92
rokrspi 3 years ago
I've been thinking about it, and I think I got the answer: In YOLT, Bond get's plastic surgery to look like a chinese. Now, he most have still looked like that (the movie makers didn't really pay much attention to the change) when Blofeld met him, that's why, in OHMSS, when he is back to normal, Blofeld didn't reconise him.
CylonProductions 3 years ago
this is the best actor of blofeld!
i love it wen he goes "goodbye, mr bond!" and then he gets a knife stuck in his hand!
dougpryce92 3 years ago
Bond recognizes Blofeld, but since Blofeld only saw bond for a brief amount of time 3 years ago, maybe he forgot...
Voolvifmonn 3 years ago
reading other people's theories are fun!! here's mine:
Blofeld undergoes plastic surgury everytime he discovered by an enemy like Bond. i think Blofeld recognizes Bond but Bond doesn't recognize Blofeld.
GavenRocker 3 years ago
It's quite simple. The movie of you only live twice was made before on her majesties secret service, the book of on he majesties secret service however was written before the book of you only live twice. They just made the films in a completely different order than the order in which the books were written.
Idium86 3 years ago
Yes, you're right, but it's interesting how the movie makers have avoided explaining all this by just pretending they've never met. I suppose they didn't have much of a choice. Also I love hearing other people's theories like 'plastic surgery' or the reoccurring one that each new 007 actor is a different agent sharing the code name "James Bond". It's great everyone reads so much into it. We all love Bond so much we want to explain away any inconstancies! Thanks for your comment. :)
dangale 3 years ago 2
Then there's the more off the wall theory that both Bond and Blofeld are actually renegade Time Lords like on Doctor Who and don't recognise each other because they've both regenerated.
mrshushie 2 years ago
@dangale well in "Diamonds are forever" it is proven that Blofeld has been dabbling in plastic surgery for a while, and DAF happened immediately after OHMMSS.
so its entirely possible he had a single part of his face reconstructed already. and blofeld did recognize him, just did what all bond villians do, toy with him. however Bonds surgery happened before meeting Blofeld, so there isnt an excuse really.
and blofelds eye is normal which is his distinguishig charactaristic
hayamoto 1 year ago
@dangale Well their strategy worked didn't it? This scene had me fooled completely until you showed up! XP
KaptinKilla 11 months ago
@dangale it looks like MGM wanted to use that "plastic surgery" excuse cause they made blofeld use it in DAF and that is how they wanted to explain change of bond in OHMSS
1234dragonsky 8 months ago
genious
TeaBagCorner 3 years ago
My own personal theory is that for that film, Bond had to undergo some pretty extensive disguise so as not to arouse suspicion when he infiltrates Blofeld's base. This is how come we manage to get the Sean Connery Bond back in Diamonds are Forever.
DarthJedi2005 3 years ago
If you only take the films into account, I can think of a theory that explains it. They do recognize eachother, but at the same time they realise that if they show that, the other person would have the proof the person he was talking to used a fake name. So they pretend to not have met before.
TheSenator007 3 years ago
I got that theory when I heard Irma Bunt speaking to Grunter in German: 'Der Gast darf nicht zerstört worden. Er hat zwar nichts gefunden, aber bleib wachsam. Das wir ihm keinenfalls wieder nach der Direktor schicken. Das ist ja unverantwort!' Which means: 'The guest shouldn't be disturbed. Although he hasn't found anything, stay alert. We shouldn't send him to the director. That is too risky.
TheSenator007 3 years ago
The only reason why that could be too risky, is because he had a hard time pretending not to know James Bond. So I think the film is correct, even though it looks like a continuity error.
TheSenator007 3 years ago
Their is a Simple way to Explain this Originaly You Only live Twice was the last one of the Blofeld Trioigy.
1.The Spy Who Loved Me
2.OHMSS
3.You Only live twice.
They wanted to make OHMSS just like the Book and they succeeded but it contradicted there move you only live twice.
MurderMafia 3 years ago 2
That's pretty much what I'd assumed, but I like to cause debate! I'm certain, however, bookwise that Thunderball was the 1st Blofeld story, I don't think he's mentioned in Spy. Having read it, Bond's not mentioned much in Spy either!!
dangale 3 years ago
Yeah Thunderball was the first but the main villain for that book was Largo. And Your Right he wasnt mentioned much in the spy who loved me but SPECTRE was involved.
MurderMafia 3 years ago
i think that james bond had a crappy memory and when blofield had plastic surgery it altered his brain lol
mrwario1 3 years ago
It's cause the Bond movie franchise ain't a series at all - it's cause they are a movie genre, giving that the lead role has been recast five times (six if you include Connery's return appearance) and a complete reboot with Casino Royale.
mabakiel666 3 years ago
Have you ever been to a party before and stumbled upon a girl you made out with previously, but afterwards all participants involved (you and the girl) were so embarrassed that you both pretended not to know each other at the party? Well that's Bond & Blofled.
cqtaylor 3 years ago
Interesting question. It's always been left very vague as to whether or not the Bond movies take place in continuity with one another. I get the impression the entire Bond universe semi-reboots after each movie.
felicity4711 3 years ago
no, bond knows blofeld but blofeld doesn't know bond. In any case, it is quite bizzare
11iop 3 years ago
Could it be, and I may be a bit of the wall here. That they are fictional characters in a fictional plot, and nobody gives a toss about continuity in a Bond Movie.
That would explain how Q give him exactly the right gadgets for each movie, he's read the script and knows what's expected.
ianclivewright 3 years ago
That's the most logical answer so far.
dangale 3 years ago
Oh ok that makes sense now.
itwontcomeout5678 3 years ago
its because blofeld had surgery and lazenby is a new bond in the story! each actor is a new agent withthe bond codename!!! hence daniel craig doing his first misson under judi denchs vetran M who we all know was a man wen bond originally started out, so casino rayale is not a prequel as so many people think it is!!
Dagga07 3 years ago
So how do you explain all the Felix Leiters? Are these all different people too? Two have been black, one was blonde, some were 30 ish, one was in his 60s, the other was a dark haired tubby man. There's no way they're all the same agent.
Oh wait.
No.
*It's a film*. Sometimes actors get replaced.
For a second there, I almost started agreeing with you.
dangale 3 years ago
haha for a minute i thought you were agreeing!
yes actors get changed but these are deliberate changes to further prove my point. roger moore and tim dalton both had different lieters and also had the same lieter! for me a big sign in the movies saying these agents use codenames...
but hey ur rite its just a movie!!
Dagga07 3 years ago
But what about Teresa Bond in OHMSS? In The Spy Who Loved Me, Amasova mentions the wife of Bond, who was killed on the wedding day, and Moore's Bond appears uncomfortable and tries to change the subject. Was it a coincidence, or did Moore's Bond have a deceased wife, too?
itwontcomeout5678 3 years ago
This confirms this theory that each actor is a different character is nonsense. It's meant to be the same person. Film conventions allow the characater to never age or to look slightly different occasionally. It's mean to tbe the same bloke, people! Are there also 100 different Victorian detectives called Sherlock Holmes? 20 men raised in the jungle called Tarzan? No, exactly!
dangale 3 years ago
haha calm down, i love being controversial
Dagga07 3 years ago
Loads of Dr Whos?
ianclivewright 3 years ago
well thats because roger moores bond was keeping up the trick he dosent want anyone to know that each bond is a different guy thats part of the whole thing! the whole reason lazenby left is because he could get over her death! connery had to avenge her for him!
Dagga07 3 years ago
No,007 was James Bond,as the books tell his family history.Blofeld doesn't know it's Bond,because Bond is made up in a disguise,that is very convincing.The books of OHMSS and YOLT,confirm Bonds clever disguises and his ability to decieve Blofeld.You should try reading them and then you'll see what I mean.
dave284000 3 years ago
Yes, I read them all years ago. OHMSS and YOLT are the two best novels in my opinion. But this clip's only really referring to the films. The books have far greater continuity than the films.
dangale 3 years ago
sorry mate but we bin thru this b4, yes i read the books and they are nothing like the films!!! bond of the books would be a chain smoking greedy overweight rascist who didnt do much action stuff and yolt was writin by rohl dahl as an original script for the film! the continuity of the books and films are totally seperate!! and if you watch the films close enuff you will see signs that each film continues and 007 james bond is just a codename as is m, q and felix lieter!!!
Dagga07 3 years ago
Yup, as was Sherlock Holmes: there were dozens of Victorian detectives with the same address who passed on the 'codename' after each one was killed.
dangale 3 years ago
Well, Bond knew that it was Blofeld in OHMSS, he was just undercover to find out what he was planning on doing. Even though it's all down to the books, I've thought it was perhaps an inside joke that there was a new Bond actor.
CrzChris4 3 years ago
Of course it's all down to the fact the films were shot out of sequence with the novels, and YOLT was a completely original plot but OHMSS was almost word for word. It all meant they had to meet again and conveniently not know each other or else it would have ended the film the moment they locked eyes.
dangale 3 years ago
for me, the big mysterie of the Bondfilms.
sakieee7 3 years ago
How about Bond's contact in Japan, with the wooden leg, who ends up playing Blofeld in Diamonds are forever? lol
popdaddy 4 years ago
Just another reason that they should have scrapped YOLT altogether and made OHMSS, with Connery, the fifth film.
melosebrainuhoh 4 years ago
Blofeld doesnt recognize bond in on her majesty's... cause bond was in a chinese diguise in YOLT, allegedly.
sefranco 4 years ago
Ah, yes. 'Allegedly'. There's another Bond Mystery: where does his disguise disappear to in YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE. It lasts about 5 mins then vanishes!
dangale 4 years ago
well, remember that its the 60's, disguises disappear without notice, sean connery looks exactly the same with chinese eyelips but nobody recognizes him, terrorist organizations build shuttle stations inside volcanos that are active, it just was another world in that decade.
sefranco 4 years ago
That has always confused me
TheWhiteTuxedo 4 years ago
I just put it down to the glasses he's wearing - more easier :p
EllipsisP99 4 years ago