Try putting a check valve on the exit port of your bubbler. And put your flashback arrestor (fine bronze wool) closer to the flame side. In my opinion you should always use a check valve.
Dont use reg steel wool, you need bronze, I have the arrestors that work over at eliminategas(dotcom email me over there for a price on 1, I currently have 4 ready to sell.
I use the same back flash arrestor as sirHOAX and it works flawlessly...and it only costs $4 to make one. I also use a 1 way valve directly behind the arrestor, although I don't think it serves a purpose. Since HHO does not EXplode (it IMplodes) the one way valve probably doesn't close when detonation occurs. In fact, the opposite probably happens. But, the fine bronze wool does work perfectly. Really cool sound it made though :p
It was a common occurence to pop my bubbler while using my torch until I installed a cigarette filter in the torch tip. No problems now. Fine bronze wool will also do the trick. Play safe!
Clearly can see the flame ignite thru the tube and flash into the bubbler.
Its is possible to see the filter bottle that is on its side, implode and lose pressure, so i can see how it would want to draw water into the tube. Kinda cool.
Really sweet sounding explosion recorded on film otherwise.
The air stone works and I also use a one way check valve and a double coil of hose with a small amount of water in it between the generator and the bubbler. This seems to work so far. The check valve is a standard auto part used on older cars in the EGR system verry cheep maybe free at junk yard.
Upon Frame by Frame analysis of your vid, the top of the bubbler is popped due to excessive amount of water pressure. Not from the explosion. If you look at each frame you can see the water vaporize from the vacuum after the ignition, and then pop the top off because of the excess pressure from the water vapor turning to gas. EXTREMELY GOOD THING TO KNOW!!!! Thank you for posting.
You have stumbled across something much more significant than the working arrestor. You have proven that when you ignite the HHO you create an implosion. Watch your vid carefully when you light it. Watch the water in the bubbler... It pulls a vacuum and the water changes to water vapor. EXCELENT VID!!!!!
I'm not at all sure that you are not playing with fire, steel wool burns in air, without the stoichiometric oxygen and hydrogen. The quench gap for hydrogen is some 60um, so I doubt that the wool will actually stop the flame front and considering a hydrogen flame is all but invisible, the flash you saw would have been the wool burning. Adding metals to rocket motors is a well known booster, don't go blowing your head off to clam the Darwin prize (removing your own genes from the gene pool)!
A simple plastic check valve or one way valve plus a pop out bubler cap works for me. if you want more safety you can series several check valve without any adverse effect on the system.
It seems to me that the water in your long feed line had a lot to do with mitigating the flashback. Water in the feed line is not a viable condition if you intend to put the hydroxy gas to beneficial use. Good work though, keep it going. Also minimal head space in the bubbler is not easy to maintain.
Maybe the bottle has too much space in it between the wool and the wall of the bottle.
You could try a smaller bottle and cram the steel wool into the bottle - as much as possible - until there's no space left at all between the wool and the inside of the bottle.
I'm not sure that it only has to do with dissipating the heat. It's also about forcing the back-flash trough tiny holes to extinguish the flame.
You are corect I had thought the sam thing and just watched a video from strapped9 who only uses 1 1/2" of wool at the very end of his out port hose and he is running a torch with no flashback, So I was going to try it before I saw the video but that just confirmed it.
agreed when I went back and looked at it frame by frame you see it flame from where I lite it all the way to the bubbler, but I do think the the arestor did help to disapate the flash some or my bubbler or the arestor or both would have blown sky high, and the only thing to come off was the outport on the bubbler. So I think we might be near the right page. Water4Fuel
I wonder if your arrestor acts like an inline bomb containing the perfect explosive gas mixture just waiting for an ignition source? I think that I read that this hydroxy gas burns at a phenominal rate of 4,000ft/second, faster than any other fuel which might explain a flashback accelerating throught the steel wool under pressure from the confined space in the arestor....? Any thoughts?
bubbler = orange juice container...NICE
nocoloATV 2 years ago
you can use one way fitting to avoid flasback
jonathan5688 3 years ago
I love how you are using a lighter to point out things on your machine that greates highly flamable gas...
oliverybarra 3 years ago 2
Try putting a check valve on the exit port of your bubbler. And put your flashback arrestor (fine bronze wool) closer to the flame side. In my opinion you should always use a check valve.
Nemesis2oil 3 years ago
Dont use reg steel wool, you need bronze, I have the arrestors that work over at eliminategas(dotcom email me over there for a price on 1, I currently have 4 ready to sell.
amillionemails 3 years ago
ha! that was awesome. Glad you didn't blow up. Might wanna do those tests outside, just in case of the unexpected.
renderrob 3 years ago 2
I use fiberglass insulation for a wick in my backpack stoves. It stands up to heat.
cribcat1 3 years ago
Commercial welding supply shop. Flash back protector. $50.00 UL Lab. tested And OSHA approved.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
dont hay your kids in the backround i herd her or him i dont want to see film at 11.00 kids head cut off you have some great VIDS................tom
tommmmmmmmx 3 years ago
that was funny awsome job though well have you tried applied pressure forced throgh the pipes. no leaks meaning and regulated inclosed pressure.
scifiantistically 3 years ago
I have have no idea what the bubbler is for except that it prevents back fire. Can any one explain.
mikeyidh 4 years ago 2
I use the same back flash arrestor as sirHOAX and it works flawlessly...and it only costs $4 to make one. I also use a 1 way valve directly behind the arrestor, although I don't think it serves a purpose. Since HHO does not EXplode (it IMplodes) the one way valve probably doesn't close when detonation occurs. In fact, the opposite probably happens. But, the fine bronze wool does work perfectly. Really cool sound it made though :p
OriginalUncleNemo 4 years ago
It was a common occurence to pop my bubbler while using my torch until I installed a cigarette filter in the torch tip. No problems now. Fine bronze wool will also do the trick. Play safe!
leakfree 4 years ago
Clearly can see the flame ignite thru the tube and flash into the bubbler.
Its is possible to see the filter bottle that is on its side, implode and lose pressure, so i can see how it would want to draw water into the tube. Kinda cool.
Really sweet sounding explosion recorded on film otherwise.
I hear the 1way check valve thing does work.
4b5olut3xx7ru7h 4 years ago
Thanks for the post. I enjoy your videos, keep safe.
baw1baw 4 years ago
The air stone works and I also use a one way check valve and a double coil of hose with a small amount of water in it between the generator and the bubbler. This seems to work so far. The check valve is a standard auto part used on older cars in the EGR system verry cheep maybe free at junk yard.
crazzieg 4 years ago
Meyer already gave us a design to use too transpart hydrogen stafly, it's in the tech breif.
h2opower 4 years ago
Upon Frame by Frame analysis of your vid, the top of the bubbler is popped due to excessive amount of water pressure. Not from the explosion. If you look at each frame you can see the water vaporize from the vacuum after the ignition, and then pop the top off because of the excess pressure from the water vapor turning to gas. EXTREMELY GOOD THING TO KNOW!!!! Thank you for posting.
dthedruid 4 years ago
You have stumbled across something much more significant than the working arrestor. You have proven that when you ignite the HHO you create an implosion. Watch your vid carefully when you light it. Watch the water in the bubbler... It pulls a vacuum and the water changes to water vapor. EXCELENT VID!!!!!
dthedruid 4 years ago
Whats even more interesting is the vacuum that is produced in the arrestor.
CarbideTip 4 years ago
I'm not at all sure that you are not playing with fire, steel wool burns in air, without the stoichiometric oxygen and hydrogen. The quench gap for hydrogen is some 60um, so I doubt that the wool will actually stop the flame front and considering a hydrogen flame is all but invisible, the flash you saw would have been the wool burning. Adding metals to rocket motors is a well known booster, don't go blowing your head off to clam the Darwin prize (removing your own genes from the gene pool)!
HTwoGo 4 years ago
A simple plastic check valve or one way valve plus a pop out bubler cap works for me. if you want more safety you can series several check valve without any adverse effect on the system.
jopinoypower 4 years ago 2
It seems to me that the water in your long feed line had a lot to do with mitigating the flashback. Water in the feed line is not a viable condition if you intend to put the hydroxy gas to beneficial use. Good work though, keep it going. Also minimal head space in the bubbler is not easy to maintain.
sidyoung 4 years ago 2
Try a airstone, like one that goes in an aquarium. Put one inline and try it with a test.
Just try it!
mdbreedi 4 years ago
I've got an idea for you.
Maybe the bottle has too much space in it between the wool and the wall of the bottle.
You could try a smaller bottle and cram the steel wool into the bottle - as much as possible - until there's no space left at all between the wool and the inside of the bottle.
I'm not sure that it only has to do with dissipating the heat. It's also about forcing the back-flash trough tiny holes to extinguish the flame.
Just a guess.
keep up the good work!
eatbutnotpuke 4 years ago 2
You are corect I had thought the sam thing and just watched a video from strapped9 who only uses 1 1/2" of wool at the very end of his out port hose and he is running a torch with no flashback, So I was going to try it before I saw the video but that just confirmed it.
Thanks
water4fuel 4 years ago
2:26: Perfect flame all the way! ;)
InventorGadget 4 years ago
agreed when I went back and looked at it frame by frame you see it flame from where I lite it all the way to the bubbler, but I do think the the arestor did help to disapate the flash some or my bubbler or the arestor or both would have blown sky high, and the only thing to come off was the outport on the bubbler. So I think we might be near the right page. Water4Fuel
water4fuel 4 years ago
I wonder if your arrestor acts like an inline bomb containing the perfect explosive gas mixture just waiting for an ignition source? I think that I read that this hydroxy gas burns at a phenominal rate of 4,000ft/second, faster than any other fuel which might explain a flashback accelerating throught the steel wool under pressure from the confined space in the arestor....? Any thoughts?
oldhawkfans 3 years ago