Perhaps a better understanding of the issues would have led to a better description of the opposing side. Perhaps. Then again, perhaps a better set of parents/guardians, who didn't taint your upbringing with ancient myths, would have led to a better grasp of reality for their children. Perhaps.
There's another law of energy that goes hand in hand with thermodynamics.(I do not know its proper name and scientific description) Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Therefore, god can not create the matter/energy being converted into matter/energy.
I know you can't create something from nothing - BUT is does seem like you can create ‘something’ out of TWO nothings...
It seems like God came out of nothing – uncaused. Then from this uncaused cause It creates the universe (something) out of – you guessed it – NOTHING…
I know two wrongs don’t make a right but do two nothings make a something???
Btw, regarding my previous post: I just realized that later in the video you correctly describe the current state of knowledge of the Big Bang. Next time I'll watch the entire video before posting :-) but I'd still like to point out that the early part of the video suggests that we know something about what was "before" the BB, and that could throw a few people off.
One correction: We do not know what existed "before" the Big Bang. In fact, we do not know what "caused" the Big Bang (if such a word makes sense). For that we will need, at least, a quantum theory of gravity which we currently lack.
One observation: The total energy of the universe might be zero (such a thing is compatible with current constraints). Meaning that the universe coming from nothing would not violate energy conservation (recall that potential energy is negative).
bob dutko is an evil, lying nitwit. i often listen to his ramblings because, (and it's a character flaw...i know it) i enjoy listening to raving lunatics. i get a kick out it. to listen to bob try to explain how noah was able to put dinosaurs on the ark or how aliens are actually demonic forces, etc... it just puts a smile on my face and makes my day.
however, i realize that there are some dangerously stupid idiots out there who believe everything that bob is feeding them. now that's scary
People that want proof of everything! give me a break!! boo hoo!! whats at the bottom of the deepest ocean then??? does anyone know?? well, I don't believe there is anything there because I have not seen it with my own eyes!! LOL!!! yay! amazing conclusion
@Fender1976uk I think it's fair to conclude that at the bottom of the deepest ocean there's an ocean floor. Probably a lot of sand and rock. May be some sort of lifeforms, too. But why believe there are mermaids and an undersea city of mer-people with magical powers who grant wishes if you "just believe" and pray to them?
@Fender1976uk "I don't believe there is anything there because I have not seen it with my own eyes!!"
If we don't know what exists, we don't say we believe there is NOTHING there. We just say that we don't know what is there. Theists, on the other hand, say there is something there and they know what it is.
@Fender1976uk The answer is simple: we know for sure that at the bottom of deep oceans there are animals and objects, impossible to disprove the opposite. Or you believe that at the bottom of oceans there is a giant wormhole distorting space-time? Even if that was true, it would be way more believable than your constructed god :P
Everything came from nothing (or some event in the overlying super-verse), then the 1st law of thermodynamics were written soon after everything was created along with all other laws of this universe.
A fraction of a fraction is still a fraction of the whole, so its kind of silly to chain "a fraction of" a bunch of times.
I agree that even if we could posit a god with any reasonable amount of confidence, we'd still have the process of 'creation' to explain. We'd also have a god to define; and the only definitions of 'god' I've heard that haven't been disproven leave the proposition unknowable, and unsupported.
@KingMattie19 "Your wastin your time tryin to prove somethin your small mind cant fathom.. God is more than anything anyone can understand."
Yet people claim understanding of god and his desires everyday. I'll bet you yourself claim an understanding of god and his desires. And I'll further bet it's rather simplistic.
So your argument boils down to "Speaking words is a dumb way to create a universe?" lol. People interested in actual religious debate should pick up a Louis P. Pojman anthology on the subject and bypass silly videos like this, which mostly nitpick and mock.
The foundational part of the argument, which brettpalmer fails to mention, is that atheists by and large (if not entirely) believe that "knowledge" must derive from empirical, scientific observation. Believe that; you'll never be a theist.
@donalddweebo No, that's not what my argument "boils down to." Perhaps you need to watch the video again and this time pay attention to it instead of trying to think of something "witty" to write in the comments section..."lol"
@brettppalmer I was remarking on the sillyness of your straw man that God speaking for ex nihilo creation per Genesis has anything to do with the physics of speech. It's a valid complaint against your argument.
@brettppalmer Both you and Dutko admit that any possible deity would, to create matter ex nihilo, necessarily have to exist outside the known Newtonian laws of physics. Yet then you argue against Dutko's premise by trying to confine such a deity to those exact laws.
I agree that a "god of the gaps" argument, like Dutko's here, is silly - but your retort isn't much better. The creation of the laws of physics cannot be constrained by the laws of physics.
@donalddweebo I'm doing nothing more than responding to what was written in the Bible. Talk about your "straw men." I'm not arguing that God spoke things into existence; that's what the Bible says! Do try to pay attention.
@brettppalmer If Genesis is read literally, then there's no way God's speech could be interpreted as the same "speech" as your or I or anyone else, because the "spoke" to create the laws that govern our own speech. Hence my claim that it's a straw man argument.
Theists are always asking how can something come from nothing, when they believe that their god created everything from a word, out of NOTHING!? B4 the big bang, there were Multi universes. Branes. BRANES. Google it.
@yourtubesteak you sound like a typical christian youtube troll. i don't care if you want to sound stupid, but keep your fairytale threats to yourself.
I love the fact that religion and its concepts have been proven false ever since mankind emerged and somehow there is always some new group of people who think they're all unique snowflakes. What makes you different from every other religion that has fallen apart in history? Gotta love the hipocrisy of a religious man telling an atheist that he's in denial.
@arzolezzi08 Nothing has been proven false about christianity. Actually quite the opposite since even pagan roman historians have recorded Christ's life and many miracles from eyewitness accounts, but of course you have not bothered to research this and won't. You'll just continue to spout off your non factual nonsense because that's what you want to believe. All religions teach something different, so either they are ALL wrong or just one of them is right.
I think you tube is the worse thing that could have happened to theist ,because before you tube and the internet religion was able to heard believers in a nice lil box and could control them.
The ironic part of Dutko's argument is that the first verses in Genesis don't actually state that Yahweh created the universe out of nothing. Genesis actually states that Yahweh fashioned the Heavens and the Earth out of pr-existing materials, much the same as a sculpter or painter fashions his artistic creations out of pr-existing materials. As far as I am aware, the Hebrew word generally translated as 'created' can just as appropriately be translated as the 'fashioned', or 'manufactured'.
@drgaylord88 What a pathetically ridiculous argument.
First, don't use wikipedia as a source because your information is simply wrong. The Oxford Dictionaries describes it as: "from Greek atheos, from a- ‘without’ + theos ‘god.’"
Additionally, even if your idiotic argument were true, atheists would hate God in the same way you hate Apollo, Horus, Thor or any other god you dont worship. You cannot say you hate something that you believe doesn't exist.
None of those were proofs FOR god. Just failing attempts to point out contradicting things in science, reason and logic.
Even if every single point of those were right it would only show that there is some contradicting things in science, reason and logic.
And that would mean his tools that he has assessed the proof for his god are flawed and in the essence he has just proven that he knows even less he thinks he knows.
Can that in ID/C-people's logic mean that a non-god exists by default?LOL
Even worse then giving us a deeper mystery, saying "God did it" give us an unsolvable mystery. The being "God" is a supernatural being forever beyond our realm of understanding. That which we can never explain or know. We've gone from saying "Its a mystery which we may never understand" to saying "Its a mystery which we will never, ever, understand".
@greentiger332 That's what happens when one takes something on blind faith.
Frater Ravus said:
"Faith does not give you the answers; it just stops you asking the questions."
Even Martin Luther recognised the power of reason and its danger to faith:
“Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense and understanding, and whatever it sees it must put out of sight, and wish to know nothing but the word of God.”
That is a very dangerous and scary way of thinking.
@xRUSSIANMEx Re-examine scientific theory of nothing... read up on singularity... peruse through some string theory physics... read up on some multi-verse theories... Do something other than reading thousands of years old scripture that was made during a time when man didn't even understand where rain or thunder came from.
Well, you did not explain how every thing came into existence. At least this Bob guy had at least a probable theory. Where is you theory as to how matter and energy come from nothing? Not only matter and energy, but how did life come to be? I know that some scientists will say that a lightning strike created an amino acid. But how is it that a DNA or RNA strands formed at the exact same second? Not to mention all the other machinations that will accomplish what we call life?
@poopypoopyhead1 making up something is not valid just because we don't know something. "i don't know" is at least honest. also, you do not have to propose an alternate in order to disprove anything.
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Okay. Im a christan teen and i can already find a flaw in the atheoism's defense. You said that like substances can interact with each other. You also said that before the big bang there was no matter or energy AS WE CAN UNDERSTAND. I think that God and the tiny dot *this big* were a different kind of substance we cannot currently understand and that God simply split or changed the *mystery substance* into what we see/interperet today. If Bob Dutko can stand up for his religion. Than i can to.
@mrpetlove But if all you are advocating is a "cause" that "simply split or changed the *mystery substance*" then there is no reason to assume that "cause" was a omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent personal god. It could simply be a force like gravity which only effects *mystery substances*. You're a LONG way from connecting this "cause" with your Christian god. But I like that you're thinking about these things. Just don't let mere belief get in the way.
@brettppalmer Do not assume you are right. Maybe partly right but no one is completely right. Everyone has the right to believe what they choose. No one can take that away from anyone. We can certanly try to convert people to our faith (or lack of) but in the end we end up acheiving nothing but a headache and some bruises.
@mrpetlove You shouldn't need to stand up for religion. You should accept facts. There's no evidence other than anecdotes that your god, indian gods, greek gods, viking gods, arab gods, aztec gods, and countless other gods , is the "one true god" Every religion says that.
stand firm. you're in the mist of educated fools that form opinions without all the facts, and the irony of it is they accuse people of forming an opinion without all the facts. i also found many flaws in the argument, but rather than engaging, try to understand them. As he openly admitted THIS VIDEO IS REGURGITATED facts with his own personal spin on it, but be ever-ready (religous recon if you will) know the enemy, and hold yourself higher than a empty man with a web connection, God Does
@mrpetlove I'm an atheist teen. If God created the universe, then how was God created? Christians seem to disregard this question because the Bible doesn't answer it. Just because we're unsure about time and space before the big bang doesn't mean we should cease to investigate it. If the religious just say "GOD DID IT" then we may never know what actually "did it". Honestly, I don't know how you can hold belief in a God. There are thousands of contradictions in the Bible. see: truth-saves . org
This first "proof" can be broken down even more simply. It's nothing more than the classic argument from ignorance. Matter and energy supposedly couldn't have been created according to scientific principles (ignoring quantum theory), so God must have done it. Dutko's argument is neither sophisticated nor new. It's just the same old rubbish stuffed in a shiny "scientific" wrapper.
@Bommaritolannalitto God does not appear to exist. Look at how many religions there are in the world. If there were really one true god and he wanted his word to be spread...then wouldn't he have sent his son to do miracles in the age of cell phones with video capture and the internet?
Why on earth would a 'supreme being' send undeniable verification of his existence thousands of years ago when it was so completely ineffective?
I am a mere human and I would have a better plan than God.
@Bommaritolannalitto Well it depends on your perception. The bible says since we humans have free will god can't forcibly control us, he can only control the things around us. If you believe in God than god exists, if you don't hes just an idea.
@AntiFaithNY The fact that something finite cannot bring itself into existence is science. Believing that God is the infinite spirit that created the universe is faith. If God didn't create the universe then where did the matter come from?
@runningrocks123 Then you can continue and ask "where did God come from?". Faith is defined as belief which is not based on logical proof or material evidence. I refuse to believe in things without evidence and that is why I don't believe in God.
If god really wanted for the earth's populace to believe in him then he would send another messenger to perform miracles for everyone to see. It would appear (if he does exist) that he couldn't care less.
Proof christians are afraid to learn or observe new information that might upset their beliefs. Click on one of the christian videos. I have found a couple that allow comments but they require approval, the rest don't even allow comments. But I have yet to find an atheist video that even requires approval for comments.Science which has been proven by anyone who takes the time to look up even a little info can not be denied. But belief in invisible intangible being can not stand up to scrutiny
@brettpalmer: Thank you for telling us your opinion! You may not find proof for God in this CD series, but you may find God someday. No one was there during the beginning of time, so no one can *prove* what really happened. I only want to ask you one question: Do you not believe in God because you can't understand Him because if that's the case, I don't fully understand God either. If we could understand God, we'd be gods.
@BATTY3459 People who find God find him because they are searching for meaning in there life or life has let them down. I used to be a christian. I understand the need it fulfills. I am now an atheist that is do to deciding that the bible god was not worthy of worship, then finding History in Bible was fictional. Then learning what current science says. Listen to these videos, I wish I had access to these 20 years ago, I don't know how people can still believe with all the evidence available.
Okay this may be stupid and off the wall, but what if the matter has always been here, and masses kept bumping into each other, and forms planets and suns and some eventually end up with life. And it expands and then contracts and the stars burn out and explode and collapses and the matter is once again a bunch of rocks floating around banging into each other forming planets and suns. Get it over and over trillions of years maybe it just keeps happening and matter is always present in some form
You know, I saw the most insane book the other day. It was titled "the end of the world according to jesus", yet it had an author who was clearly not Jesus
surely all these proofs the theists use r teleological - in anything. we understand how things wurk - mostly even tho God is 'behind it' e.g. the rain cycle. understanding the 'how' is not a displacement'v God (as theists argu). even when we finally fathm the methud'v expansion'v time and space and mattr, this still cannot abrogate God as the originatr, the uncaused Cause - by definition.
Your rebuttal of the simplicity of the Kalam Cosmological argument was very insightful. If creationists are content with just using their observations, then really are like children who can't look beyond what they see.
the Quran. Dont u think God would have his word out to his people before satan would make a bible (Quran). I mean come on, and the words on the page change ppls life in an instant. I wish i could explain it better, i never beleived in God or the bible either until i asked Jesus Christ to show me if He was real and to change my life "like he does to everyone else." I wanted to see if it was true and if there was a hell, i did not want to have any chance of me going.
Im sorry you have not been saved and God has not reveled His truth to you my friend. (1 Corinthians 1:18)! And will you please answer any of my 3 questions WITH evidence (reputable source) that it did not work. idk where to start 2 answer ur questions cuz there are so many answers.1idk if u think medication gets demons out, but pls find me an exorcism that doesnt us Jesus Christ name..?2. ill just say look up alexander the great at google in the bible 3.the holy bible was finished 600 yrs b4
1.)So some1 pls tell me why the name of Jesus Christ still cast out demons of ppl today. And why where there 1500 exorcisms in Germany last year? 2.) why every single prophecy in the bible has came EXACTLY true they way they said it would be (over 2000) not just chance..3.) the holy bible is the only one that all prophecies are being fulfilled but other religion and their bibles arnt coming true and science disproves them? Some1 please explain this.
@travv444 1) Cite one example (from a reputable source) of the name of Christ casting out a demon. The reason there were 1,500 exorcisms in Germany last year is pretty straight forward: There were 1,500 attention whores last year and a bunch of fucktards dumb enough to believe them.
2) Cite one example of a prophecy coming EXACTLY true.
3) Cite (from a reputable source) examples.
Its called "research" you fucktard. I think you'll be disappointed with your findings.
@travv444 Wait, every single prophecy in the Bible has come true?
Do you mean things like Isaiah 13:19-20, where it predicts that Babylon will never be inhabited again? But wait! The area where Babylon was is, in fact, inhabited to this day. I'm really curious as to what you meant by "every single prophecy", as that's clearly untrue.
@brettppalmer Hi, I love your work, just a hint, there is no link in the end of the clip, where it appears this text - " click here for part 2 " :) ...
Am I missing something? Dutko seems to buy the 1st law and then he turns right around and says God ignored said law. If God ignored it then why even mention it?
Wouldn't it then be non-applicable to his God hypothesis? As I already said, am I missing something?
pardon my language butt fuck dutko and atheists and many christians im a christian and im offended by atheists asuming the big bang happened even though its a mother fucking theory and dutko is mentaly retarted but quit bieng such duche bags and grow some fucking balls sometime and respect each others fucking beliefs!!! and if you acctually read and study the bible God did'nt fucking make himself he was just there. actuall fact 2% athiest 21% christian so go fuck yourself or show some respect!!!
Why should we respect something that is obviously bullshit?
Let's say someone ist believing that the moon is the backside of the sun. Should I respect his believe just because he says so despite the fact that he is obviously retarded?
NO! And you know why? Because there is somthing called free speech!
@ihr0ppa its called beleif and obviously you will see when u die and go to hell and u will remember when i warned u that you should beleive while im in a perfect place u will be in agonizing deadly pain and u will regret it from the beginning of your life that you didnt accept God so carry on with your messed up life and in a few decades.. tell me how hell is!
im sorry but i dont mean to be offensive or anything but i think your bieng offensive gowing through the work to try and disprove specifically christianity and all religions that believe in God or the trinity if you know what im talking about(forgot to mention im a christian pardon). but i know your not doing anything wrong but i agree that christians and atheists definitely fight about these but because christians are constantly tested making us test everything.message me back on what you think
Want to see the real Garden of Eden? Take a look at my videos. I'm the guy who discovered it. As far as religion goes- it does nothing for you, but Jesus will introduce you to His Father if you'll let Him. God is real and so is lucifer. Both want you, but only 1 loves you- figure it out
XD AntifaithNY is right heres my version:So something can't come out of nothing so an super human/an human before humans were made must of made something out of nothing and he too made himself out of nothing which is an human but humans didn't get made untill a long time.
Under certain conditions, quantum fluctuations can expand into universes. As for the 1st law: the gravity between the objects in the universe has an energy content too - and it so happens that it exactly cancels out the positive contributions from stars, etc. The total energy of the universe is pretty much known to be zero. It's made more clear here: "A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009" watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
Dutko is a tool. He tries to prove matter and energy were created (by God) using the scientific premise that it CAN'T be created (clearly not understanding the logical contradiction).
Of course, he immediately leaps from this absurdity to an even bigger one -- the assumption that the agent of this creation was God. Or maybe bigfoot. Or aliens. He never offers a proof for that. He simply expects us to make the leap with him.
If this guy is speaking for God, God's in trouble.
Look, Atheisim isn't hurting anyone so why are so many people fighting about it!? I am for one a Christian, and if I said I was a supporter of Atheisim it wouls be a lie. Brettppalmer is only expressing his beliefs and is not ripping apart or murdering people SO JUST SHUT UP! I for one find this topic very interesting and think all you stupid revertees should stop thinking like apes and like sensibile humans!
@monanoke48 Well thank you, mononoke48. I find your tone respectful and refreshing! You are certainly welcome to camp out here any time you wish, and watch what goes on inside THIS atheist's head! :)
@brettppalmer....why are you praising mononoke48 about being respectful...when in the midst of explaining your "theory", clearly, tried to make bob dutko look like a fool? Just a question.
Also, you picture a book by Stephen Hawking, a truely brilliant man, right after you said that Energy (and matter?) could be eternal. A statement that Hawking doesn't even believe. He speaks of his own theory of how matter came into existance by way of the law of gravity. I'm respectful, am I still welcome?
@quj0r Yes I know that but my argument is pointing out that Humans are an evolved type of ape and we should stop acting like our less intelligent prevolved selves. XD
@monanoke48 We are all evolved apes. Humans did things a bit differently from everyone else. At any rate, I get the spirit of your message and am not trying to antagonize you. It's more for others who might read it and take issue with the "Human = Ape" thing. I hope it will spur them to research it for themselves instead of taking my word for it.
@monanoke48 Atheist don't kill people who don't agree with them. Or stifle human development, both socially and technologically. It's useless pieces of retard shit like you that ruin this planet for everyone with a brain. Hang yourself, you fuck.
@Endo618 Sorry if it took me so long to respond, I really don't pay attention to idiotic children. Please reread my comment and if you still want to troll/flame thanks for a good laugh and a free hot meal. XD
@monanoke48 If there were more theists like yourself, atheists probably wouldn't need to bother with the issue so much. Thanks for standing up for those who are attacked for merely disagreeing. Not that we have any problem standing up on our own ^_^, but the more the merrier.
Although, the scientist in me would like to point out that acting like a human IS acting like an ape. What with us being apes and all. I'm also acting like a vertebrate :P
@Sines314 I was just making a small point. XD Some of my closest friends are atheist and I don't appricate when people 'judge' eachother just for not liking the same thing. XD
Obviously it wasn't always there...the same concept could be addressed when I see a sand castle on the beach......it just didn't pop up on its own......there must have been an architect at some point in time......I have no proof but I can formulate based upon observations and the best plausible explanation that it was in fact created by someone or something.....the proof is out there but sometimes you have to go beyond the science
@MegaSoldierforChrist A sand castle is built from pre-existent matter by another being made of matter. And that being, too, was produced from pre-existing matter. But that's not what you theists are proposing. You're proposing that something immaterial created something material from nothing. That's not merely "beyond science" but so far out there as anything reasonable that it isn't even worth talking about. You really need to watch more of my videos.
@brettppalmer I understand your arguement but it still has no merit. Eventually you run into the issue of what occurred before the universe was created.....that would also include the properties of space and time. This would also include up to 10 created dimensions; 6 of which are non visible. Your idea is that things just fell together without guidance. The idea that things came into being without GOD is impossible. Thanks for the dialogue. You really need to read The Holy Bible.
@MegaSoldierforChrist First of all, I don't appreciate the condescension. I have read the Bible, sir. Probably far many more times and in more depth than you. Also, to ask about what "occurred before the universe was created" is not only begging the question, but also nonsensical. May I make an alternative suggestion and ask that you put down the Holy Bible and step away from the creationist websites. It's seriously bad for your health.
@brettppalmer Nor do I appreciate yours. I'm glad you have read the Bible and maybe you have had more time studying it than I...maybe not. I don't think its a nonsensical question. If the universe did have a beginning than its safe to say it will have an ending. Someone started the process. I know it was GOD. Put down the Bible? Maybe you should pick it up again. Without faith what hope do any of us have. As for me, I shall trust in JESUS.
@MegaSoldierforChrist "If the universe did have a beginning than its safe to say it will have an ending. Someone started the process. I know it was GOD. " Since you "know it" and many a great minds and thinkers do not, tell us what your verifiable evidence for this deity and it's creation as you put it ... is? I for one, as with many here would be interested to know what this verifiable evidence is?
@brettppalmer By them claiming that it takes as much faith to believe in a god or to follow a religion as it does to not believe or adhere to any religion, they have effectively destroyed their own position and the legitimacy of any and all other religious perspectives - because if it takes the same amount of faith to believe as it does to not believe, then faith means absolutely nothing.
I'm not here to argue science however I find it hard to understand how something can rise from nothingness. In the big bang model, what exploded? Where did the energy come from? I may not be able to prove that GOD was behind the process BUT you cannot prove that HE wasn't. My belief and it does come thru faith tells me that GOD was able to violate laws of physics to accomplish HIS purpose. Cosmic accident..... that just doesn't seem too plausible nor scientific.
@MegaSoldierforChrist no boom, read up on the big bang theory, also it is not on our side to disprove things, you make the positive claim you most have the proofs, no proof then it is logical to say it is not true
@bjam89 So there is no bang in the big bang theory...according to you. Disproving the existence of GOD is also not provable according to you. So therefore if you cannot prove it it must be false. I still think that you would have an issue with the the physics law of entropy and laws of thermodynamics. Something had to cause the energy to be released and where did it come from originally. To say that it always was there doesn't make sense. I still think the most plausible answer is GOD. Peace.
@MegaSoldierforChrist i told you to look up the big bang theory, and you will see there is no bang in the theory, and for something to be true there has to be proofs, and tests you can do, it is not up to us to disprove god, it is up to you to prove him, disprove unicorns and dragons for me see you can't do it i am not saying god is false i am saying you have not given any real proof of your brand of god, many people have this problem
@bjam89 When you say prove that GOD exists........the concept of proof whether in science or in nature is based upon gather evidence and formulating the most plausible explanation...almost a hypothesis or educated guess......I can prove that GOD exists just on what HE has created.......the planets, human brain, simple cells, dna, and even you. If you go back far enough to the universe at its beginning when it was a dense and in hot status..I looked it up......where did it come from...GOD
@MegaSoldierforChrist and why do you think your god did it, why not the flying spaghetti monster as for the planets i would give that honor to gravity, cells why that is evolution, i am the result of a really long time, stars dying heavier elements getting made and natural processes working Together for a insane amount of time, millions of generations of beings that evolved, i am star dust, when i die my atoms will scatter and live on, i do not need a fantasy friend to feel special
@bjam89 Most of the scientific theories on creation are backed up by the GOD of the Bible. With regards to gravity...did you know that if the strengh of gravity were changed by 1 part in 10^100...life would never have developed......was that done by chance or by a designer who knew exactly what to do. Now if we take a look at the "simple cell" which contains tons of information...why didn't the simple cell ever "evolve" into something else. Whe you have information you have intelligence..
@MegaSoldierforChrist Could you point out to me the exact part where he says this? I don't own the book; the only thing I can find is a quotation from it that says that life would probably not have formed if gravity were a MILLION times weaker compared to the electromagnetic force than it is now. That's hardly 10^-100.
@Zemed87 Not a million times weaker but a factor of 1 part in 10^100 . The same concept is explained in the Newtonian model on gravity with regards to the exponential factor of 2. If it were to change to 2.00001....look out.......its precision is so astounding that it couldn't have been by chance only design...
@MegaSoldierforChrist I see you have no verifiable evidence for these things you claim to "know." This is nothing more than a projection of your delusional, warped mind. Keep tapping your heels Dorothy, you'll get to your fantasy home one day.
@MegaSoldierforChrist Furthermore, that's not really a valid argument. How can you know if gravity's strength could be any value? That's like if I said "if the value of pi was off by 10^-100, then x" - it's nonsensical. Pi CANNOT be anything else, because that's how circles work.
@Zemed87 How can you say its not a valid argument. When you have laws of physics, dna, rna, planets, galaxies, cells, and forces of the visble and invisible world. That are so carefully assembled and put in their proper places. And if they are off by just a microbe life would be impossible. Would you say that these things occurred on their own. By accident. Thats the most invalid idea I have ever heard.
@MegaSoldierforChrist Thanks for this post, Mega. It gives me an idea for a new video I can do, putting to rest this fallacy of the "fine tuning" of the universe. You may want to pocket this argument until after I upload it.
@MegaSoldierforChrist I can say it's not really a valid argument since we don't even know IF the laws of physics can be anything different from what they are now. Pi can't possibly be 3.15. That's nonsensical; you can't prove that any other universal constants could be different from what they are now.
@bjam89 Where did the information come from...by the way its digital. As scientific discoveries progress evidence is pointing closer to a "created" universe. They are naming it "GOD". With evolution are you referring to micro or macro? Especially with a earth less than 10,000 years old. When you die, and I hope thats not for a very long time; I hope and pray that you have found JESUS...without HIM there is no life. Spagettios are good but the spagetti monster is from the adversary.
of course they fail they re made up
phildirt3 6 days ago
@Fender1976uk
"Boo hoo!"?
Perhaps a better understanding of the issues would have led to a better description of the opposing side. Perhaps. Then again, perhaps a better set of parents/guardians, who didn't taint your upbringing with ancient myths, would have led to a better grasp of reality for their children. Perhaps.
arthurneddysmith 2 weeks ago
There's another law of energy that goes hand in hand with thermodynamics.(I do not know its proper name and scientific description) Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Therefore, god can not create the matter/energy being converted into matter/energy.
mybeautymyway 2 weeks ago
How are the ideas testable?
nn101198 3 weeks ago
I know you can't create something from nothing - BUT is does seem like you can create ‘something’ out of TWO nothings...
It seems like God came out of nothing – uncaused. Then from this uncaused cause It creates the universe (something) out of – you guessed it – NOTHING…
I know two wrongs don’t make a right but do two nothings make a something???
apeek7 4 weeks ago
Hey God, How did you do it?
I don't fucking know! There is no means by which anything that I have accomplished can possibly be accomplished. Except by me.
What makes you special?
I'm a God.
And being a God means you can do shit that can't be done?
Yes.
Okay, so after you decide to do some impossible shit, what do you do next?
I told you, I don't fucking know!
pburto 1 month ago
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Manoichan 1 month ago
Btw, regarding my previous post: I just realized that later in the video you correctly describe the current state of knowledge of the Big Bang. Next time I'll watch the entire video before posting :-) but I'd still like to point out that the early part of the video suggests that we know something about what was "before" the BB, and that could throw a few people off.
dcarrera01 1 month ago
One correction: We do not know what existed "before" the Big Bang. In fact, we do not know what "caused" the Big Bang (if such a word makes sense). For that we will need, at least, a quantum theory of gravity which we currently lack.
One observation: The total energy of the universe might be zero (such a thing is compatible with current constraints). Meaning that the universe coming from nothing would not violate energy conservation (recall that potential energy is negative).
dcarrera01 1 month ago
bob dutko is an evil, lying nitwit. i often listen to his ramblings because, (and it's a character flaw...i know it) i enjoy listening to raving lunatics. i get a kick out it. to listen to bob try to explain how noah was able to put dinosaurs on the ark or how aliens are actually demonic forces, etc... it just puts a smile on my face and makes my day.
however, i realize that there are some dangerously stupid idiots out there who believe everything that bob is feeding them. now that's scary
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People that want proof of everything! give me a break!! boo hoo!! whats at the bottom of the deepest ocean then??? does anyone know?? well, I don't believe there is anything there because I have not seen it with my own eyes!! LOL!!! yay! amazing conclusion
Fender1976uk 1 month ago
@Fender1976uk I think it's fair to conclude that at the bottom of the deepest ocean there's an ocean floor. Probably a lot of sand and rock. May be some sort of lifeforms, too. But why believe there are mermaids and an undersea city of mer-people with magical powers who grant wishes if you "just believe" and pray to them?
brettppalmer 1 month ago 39
@Fender1976uk
It sort of seems like you don't know the difference between "I don't believe X" and "I believe X is false"...
Lowraith 1 month ago 2
@Fender1976uk . . . . wow. . . . just wow. it sedans me to think a human can be such a moron.
joshrob12345 1 month ago
@Fender1976uk "I don't believe there is anything there because I have not seen it with my own eyes!!"
If we don't know what exists, we don't say we believe there is NOTHING there. We just say that we don't know what is there. Theists, on the other hand, say there is something there and they know what it is.
GuacamoleKun 2 weeks ago
@Fender1976uk The answer is simple: we know for sure that at the bottom of deep oceans there are animals and objects, impossible to disprove the opposite. Or you believe that at the bottom of oceans there is a giant wormhole distorting space-time? Even if that was true, it would be way more believable than your constructed god :P
Carlovfx 1 week ago
@Fender1976uk Wait, we know what's at the bottom of the deepest ocean because we've fucking been there.
BlankVellum 4 days ago
@Fender1976uk The stupid! It burns!
biggingeryeti 15 hours ago
Everything came from nothing (or some event in the overlying super-verse), then the 1st law of thermodynamics were written soon after everything was created along with all other laws of this universe.
F35Pilots 1 month ago
A fraction of a fraction is still a fraction of the whole, so its kind of silly to chain "a fraction of" a bunch of times.
I agree that even if we could posit a god with any reasonable amount of confidence, we'd still have the process of 'creation' to explain. We'd also have a god to define; and the only definitions of 'god' I've heard that haven't been disproven leave the proposition unknowable, and unsupported.
urcorrect 1 month ago
Your wastin your time tryin to prove somethin your small mind cant fathom.. God is more than anything anyone can understand.
KingMattie19 1 month ago
@KingMattie19 and how do you know this?
TheD0ded0de 1 month ago
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@KingMattie19 "Your wastin your time tryin to prove somethin your small mind cant fathom.. God is more than anything anyone can understand."
Yet people claim understanding of god and his desires everyday. I'll bet you yourself claim an understanding of god and his desires. And I'll further bet it's rather simplistic.
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So your argument boils down to "Speaking words is a dumb way to create a universe?" lol. People interested in actual religious debate should pick up a Louis P. Pojman anthology on the subject and bypass silly videos like this, which mostly nitpick and mock.
The foundational part of the argument, which brettpalmer fails to mention, is that atheists by and large (if not entirely) believe that "knowledge" must derive from empirical, scientific observation. Believe that; you'll never be a theist.
donalddweebo 1 month ago
@donalddweebo No, that's not what my argument "boils down to." Perhaps you need to watch the video again and this time pay attention to it instead of trying to think of something "witty" to write in the comments section..."lol"
brettppalmer 1 month ago
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donalddweebo 1 month ago
@brettppalmer I was remarking on the sillyness of your straw man that God speaking for ex nihilo creation per Genesis has anything to do with the physics of speech. It's a valid complaint against your argument.
donalddweebo 1 month ago
@donalddweebo Really? How so?
brettppalmer 1 month ago
@brettppalmer Both you and Dutko admit that any possible deity would, to create matter ex nihilo, necessarily have to exist outside the known Newtonian laws of physics. Yet then you argue against Dutko's premise by trying to confine such a deity to those exact laws.
I agree that a "god of the gaps" argument, like Dutko's here, is silly - but your retort isn't much better. The creation of the laws of physics cannot be constrained by the laws of physics.
donalddweebo 1 month ago
@donalddweebo I'm doing nothing more than responding to what was written in the Bible. Talk about your "straw men." I'm not arguing that God spoke things into existence; that's what the Bible says! Do try to pay attention.
brettppalmer 1 month ago 2
@brettppalmer If Genesis is read literally, then there's no way God's speech could be interpreted as the same "speech" as your or I or anyone else, because the "spoke" to create the laws that govern our own speech. Hence my claim that it's a straw man argument.
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donalddweebo 1 month ago
That noise you hear in the middle of the night...IT'S ME! I'm looking for a midnight snack...and killing the Boogey Man.
TheCrimsonification 1 month ago
P.S. FUCK GOD...FUCK RELIGION. It's a systematic brainfuck.
TheCrimsonification 1 month ago
Theists are always asking how can something come from nothing, when they believe that their god created everything from a word, out of NOTHING!? B4 the big bang, there were Multi universes. Branes. BRANES. Google it.
TheCrimsonification 1 month ago
Brett, you'll find out the truth eventually, even if it's the hard way.
yourtubesteak 1 month ago
@yourtubesteak you sound like a typical christian youtube troll. i don't care if you want to sound stupid, but keep your fairytale threats to yourself.
raverdeath100 1 month ago
@raverdeath100 When you stand before Christ, and you will as we all will, tell him to his face that you don't believe in him. Have a nice eternity.
yourtubesteak 1 month ago
@yourtubesteak hahaha
raverdeath100 1 month ago
@yourtubesteak lmao... Another Christian with a preemptive I told you so...
extrovertedthinker 1 month ago in playlist Top Ten Failed Proofs of God's existence
I love the fact that religion and its concepts have been proven false ever since mankind emerged and somehow there is always some new group of people who think they're all unique snowflakes. What makes you different from every other religion that has fallen apart in history? Gotta love the hipocrisy of a religious man telling an atheist that he's in denial.
arzolezzi08 2 months ago
@arzolezzi08 You are obviously clueless as it gets.
yourtubesteak 1 month ago
@arzolezzi08 Nothing has been proven false about christianity. Actually quite the opposite since even pagan roman historians have recorded Christ's life and many miracles from eyewitness accounts, but of course you have not bothered to research this and won't. You'll just continue to spout off your non factual nonsense because that's what you want to believe. All religions teach something different, so either they are ALL wrong or just one of them is right.
yourtubesteak 1 month ago
@TheEnglandWC 90% of the human race are braindead to believe in a God or Gods. :P
atheistram 2 months ago
I agree with this!! :D
kaaskop01 2 months ago
I think you tube is the worse thing that could have happened to theist ,because before you tube and the internet religion was able to heard believers in a nice lil box and could control them.
philosophicalreason 2 months ago
The ironic part of Dutko's argument is that the first verses in Genesis don't actually state that Yahweh created the universe out of nothing. Genesis actually states that Yahweh fashioned the Heavens and the Earth out of pr-existing materials, much the same as a sculpter or painter fashions his artistic creations out of pr-existing materials. As far as I am aware, the Hebrew word generally translated as 'created' can just as appropriately be translated as the 'fashioned', or 'manufactured'.
dingodavid 2 months ago
'Christian Truth'? Now there's an oxymoron if ever I heard one!
It's right up there with' Military Intelligence' , 'Microsoft Works', and 'Civil War'
dingodavid 2 months ago
Wikipedia says: "The term atheism originated from the Greek ἄθεος (atheos), meaning "against god."
Just because you are against God doesn't mean that he doesn't exists. Well I just made a big whole in your little logic there, boom headshot
drgaylord88 3 months ago
@drgaylord88 Not against, just critical of. It doesn't make sense at all, just saying.
MessyBeaver 3 months ago
@drgaylord88 I hope you don't use Wiki for a frame of reference all the time...
iz2sicc 3 months ago in playlist Atheism vs. Creationism
@drgaylord88 What a pathetically ridiculous argument.
First, don't use wikipedia as a source because your information is simply wrong. The Oxford Dictionaries describes it as: "from Greek atheos, from a- ‘without’ + theos ‘god.’"
Additionally, even if your idiotic argument were true, atheists would hate God in the same way you hate Apollo, Horus, Thor or any other god you dont worship. You cannot say you hate something that you believe doesn't exist.
Think before you type.
ApatheticOmniscience 3 months ago 2
@drgaylord88 Sorry, but you're an idiot. Don't rely on Wikipedia. :P
atheistram 2 months ago
@drgaylord88 the only hole you have is the one in your head that prevents knowledge to remain inside.
brownbigb 1 month ago
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None of those were proofs FOR god. Just failing attempts to point out contradicting things in science, reason and logic.
Even if every single point of those were right it would only show that there is some contradicting things in science, reason and logic.
And that would mean his tools that he has assessed the proof for his god are flawed and in the essence he has just proven that he knows even less he thinks he knows.
Can that in ID/C-people's logic mean that a non-god exists by default?LOL
leflipmo 3 months ago
Sweet. My mother listens to this guy on the radio all the time. Nice to see a critique to the shit he says.
TechnicallyTechnical 3 months ago
Even worse then giving us a deeper mystery, saying "God did it" give us an unsolvable mystery. The being "God" is a supernatural being forever beyond our realm of understanding. That which we can never explain or know. We've gone from saying "Its a mystery which we may never understand" to saying "Its a mystery which we will never, ever, understand".
greentiger332 4 months ago
@greentiger332 That's what happens when one takes something on blind faith.
Frater Ravus said:
"Faith does not give you the answers; it just stops you asking the questions."
Even Martin Luther recognised the power of reason and its danger to faith:
“Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense and understanding, and whatever it sees it must put out of sight, and wish to know nothing but the word of God.”
That is a very dangerous and scary way of thinking.
Genechanger 3 months ago
if there was nothing then where did the "so called BIG BANG' came from nothing?
xRUSSIANMEx 4 months ago in playlist More videos from brettppalmer
@xRUSSIANMEx Re-examine scientific theory of nothing... read up on singularity... peruse through some string theory physics... read up on some multi-verse theories... Do something other than reading thousands of years old scripture that was made during a time when man didn't even understand where rain or thunder came from.
iz2sicc 3 months ago in playlist Atheism vs. Creationism
awesome vid. keep it up. peace.
PointsNorth1 4 months ago
Well, you did not explain how every thing came into existence. At least this Bob guy had at least a probable theory. Where is you theory as to how matter and energy come from nothing? Not only matter and energy, but how did life come to be? I know that some scientists will say that a lightning strike created an amino acid. But how is it that a DNA or RNA strands formed at the exact same second? Not to mention all the other machinations that will accomplish what we call life?
poopypoopyhead1 4 months ago
@poopypoopyhead1 making up something is not valid just because we don't know something. "i don't know" is at least honest. also, you do not have to propose an alternate in order to disprove anything.
brownbigb 1 month ago
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Okay. Im a christan teen and i can already find a flaw in the atheoism's defense. You said that like substances can interact with each other. You also said that before the big bang there was no matter or energy AS WE CAN UNDERSTAND. I think that God and the tiny dot *this big* were a different kind of substance we cannot currently understand and that God simply split or changed the *mystery substance* into what we see/interperet today. If Bob Dutko can stand up for his religion. Than i can to.
mrpetlove 4 months ago
@mrpetlove But if all you are advocating is a "cause" that "simply split or changed the *mystery substance*" then there is no reason to assume that "cause" was a omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent personal god. It could simply be a force like gravity which only effects *mystery substances*. You're a LONG way from connecting this "cause" with your Christian god. But I like that you're thinking about these things. Just don't let mere belief get in the way.
brettppalmer 4 months ago 29
@brettppalmer Do not assume you are right. Maybe partly right but no one is completely right. Everyone has the right to believe what they choose. No one can take that away from anyone. We can certanly try to convert people to our faith (or lack of) but in the end we end up acheiving nothing but a headache and some bruises.
mrpetlove 4 months ago
@mrpetlove You shouldn't need to stand up for religion. You should accept facts. There's no evidence other than anecdotes that your god, indian gods, greek gods, viking gods, arab gods, aztec gods, and countless other gods , is the "one true god" Every religion says that.
logar1313 3 months ago
stand firm. you're in the mist of educated fools that form opinions without all the facts, and the irony of it is they accuse people of forming an opinion without all the facts. i also found many flaws in the argument, but rather than engaging, try to understand them. As he openly admitted THIS VIDEO IS REGURGITATED facts with his own personal spin on it, but be ever-ready (religous recon if you will) know the enemy, and hold yourself higher than a empty man with a web connection, God Does
tefelohin 3 months ago
@mrpetlove I'm an atheist teen. If God created the universe, then how was God created? Christians seem to disregard this question because the Bible doesn't answer it. Just because we're unsure about time and space before the big bang doesn't mean we should cease to investigate it. If the religious just say "GOD DID IT" then we may never know what actually "did it". Honestly, I don't know how you can hold belief in a God. There are thousands of contradictions in the Bible. see: truth-saves . org
squiresuzuki 2 months ago
@squiresuzuki It's no wonder Jesus said that "the path to salvation is narrow and few find it". You are a perfect example.
yourtubesteak 1 month ago
This first "proof" can be broken down even more simply. It's nothing more than the classic argument from ignorance. Matter and energy supposedly couldn't have been created according to scientific principles (ignoring quantum theory), so God must have done it. Dutko's argument is neither sophisticated nor new. It's just the same old rubbish stuffed in a shiny "scientific" wrapper.
xxxxPaladinxxxx 4 months ago
I swear if I hear about Thermodynamics from an apologetic Im going to vomit
EarlFaulk 4 months ago
So is God real or not?
Bommaritolannalitto 5 months ago
@Bommaritolannalitto God does not appear to exist. Look at how many religions there are in the world. If there were really one true god and he wanted his word to be spread...then wouldn't he have sent his son to do miracles in the age of cell phones with video capture and the internet?
Why on earth would a 'supreme being' send undeniable verification of his existence thousands of years ago when it was so completely ineffective?
I am a mere human and I would have a better plan than God.
CynicalSkeptic1 5 months ago
@Bommaritolannalitto Well it depends on your perception. The bible says since we humans have free will god can't forcibly control us, he can only control the things around us. If you believe in God than god exists, if you don't hes just an idea.
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Bommaritolannalitto 5 months ago
@AntiFaithNY The fact that something finite cannot bring itself into existence is science. Believing that God is the infinite spirit that created the universe is faith. If God didn't create the universe then where did the matter come from?
runningrocks123 5 months ago
@runningrocks123 Then you can continue and ask "where did God come from?". Faith is defined as belief which is not based on logical proof or material evidence. I refuse to believe in things without evidence and that is why I don't believe in God.
If god really wanted for the earth's populace to believe in him then he would send another messenger to perform miracles for everyone to see. It would appear (if he does exist) that he couldn't care less.
CynicalSkeptic1 5 months ago
very well argued, you don't even need to talk about the complicated physics that's explained in Hawking's book to debunk his flawed logic
Richy15251 5 months ago
How dare you!!! Flying spaghetti monster will not bless you with his divine noodly appandage for not having faith!!! RAmen!!!!
INMATE2468 5 months ago
Proof christians are afraid to learn or observe new information that might upset their beliefs. Click on one of the christian videos. I have found a couple that allow comments but they require approval, the rest don't even allow comments. But I have yet to find an atheist video that even requires approval for comments.Science which has been proven by anyone who takes the time to look up even a little info can not be denied. But belief in invisible intangible being can not stand up to scrutiny
robtay1963 5 months ago
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robtay1963 5 months ago
The monologue at 4:10 is inspired! Must go back and write it down at some point.
COEXISTential 5 months ago
Bob Dutko is clearly a gay bear in disguise!
gravekeepersven 5 months ago in playlist More videos from brettppalmer
@brettpalmer: Thank you for telling us your opinion! You may not find proof for God in this CD series, but you may find God someday. No one was there during the beginning of time, so no one can *prove* what really happened. I only want to ask you one question: Do you not believe in God because you can't understand Him because if that's the case, I don't fully understand God either. If we could understand God, we'd be gods.
BATTY3459 5 months ago
@BATTY3459 Atheists are (generally) atheists because of the lack of (convincing) evidence.
Zemed87 5 months ago
@BATTY3459 People who find God find him because they are searching for meaning in there life or life has let them down. I used to be a christian. I understand the need it fulfills. I am now an atheist that is do to deciding that the bible god was not worthy of worship, then finding History in Bible was fictional. Then learning what current science says. Listen to these videos, I wish I had access to these 20 years ago, I don't know how people can still believe with all the evidence available.
robtay1963 5 months ago
Okay this may be stupid and off the wall, but what if the matter has always been here, and masses kept bumping into each other, and forms planets and suns and some eventually end up with life. And it expands and then contracts and the stars burn out and explode and collapses and the matter is once again a bunch of rocks floating around banging into each other forming planets and suns. Get it over and over trillions of years maybe it just keeps happening and matter is always present in some form
robtay1963 6 months ago
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robtay1963 6 months ago
You know, I saw the most insane book the other day. It was titled "the end of the world according to jesus", yet it had an author who was clearly not Jesus
vstavropoulos554 6 months ago
surely all these proofs the theists use r teleological - in anything. we understand how things wurk - mostly even tho God is 'behind it' e.g. the rain cycle. understanding the 'how' is not a displacement'v God (as theists argu). even when we finally fathm the methud'v expansion'v time and space and mattr, this still cannot abrogate God as the originatr, the uncaused Cause - by definition.
adamseeb1 6 months ago
Your rebuttal of the simplicity of the Kalam Cosmological argument was very insightful. If creationists are content with just using their observations, then really are like children who can't look beyond what they see.
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youneekk 6 months ago
God did it? That sounds like something a five year old would say if their mom asked about the missing cookie from the jar
hioeo 7 months ago 19
this dutko specimen, is wondering why people are mad at rupert murdock!
he s such a corporate rat boy. read the 14 attributes of fascism. then listen to his show a few times, see what you think.
48mmwatch 7 months ago
lol, you mis a fraction.
cafeta 7 months ago
the Quran. Dont u think God would have his word out to his people before satan would make a bible (Quran). I mean come on, and the words on the page change ppls life in an instant. I wish i could explain it better, i never beleived in God or the bible either until i asked Jesus Christ to show me if He was real and to change my life "like he does to everyone else." I wanted to see if it was true and if there was a hell, i did not want to have any chance of me going.
travv444 7 months ago
Im sorry you have not been saved and God has not reveled His truth to you my friend. (1 Corinthians 1:18)! And will you please answer any of my 3 questions WITH evidence (reputable source) that it did not work. idk where to start 2 answer ur questions cuz there are so many answers.1idk if u think medication gets demons out, but pls find me an exorcism that doesnt us Jesus Christ name..?2. ill just say look up alexander the great at google in the bible 3.the holy bible was finished 600 yrs b4
travv444 7 months ago
1.)So some1 pls tell me why the name of Jesus Christ still cast out demons of ppl today. And why where there 1500 exorcisms in Germany last year? 2.) why every single prophecy in the bible has came EXACTLY true they way they said it would be (over 2000) not just chance..3.) the holy bible is the only one that all prophecies are being fulfilled but other religion and their bibles arnt coming true and science disproves them? Some1 please explain this.
travv444 7 months ago
@travv444 1) Cite one example (from a reputable source) of the name of Christ casting out a demon. The reason there were 1,500 exorcisms in Germany last year is pretty straight forward: There were 1,500 attention whores last year and a bunch of fucktards dumb enough to believe them.
2) Cite one example of a prophecy coming EXACTLY true.
3) Cite (from a reputable source) examples.
Its called "research" you fucktard. I think you'll be disappointed with your findings.
Bhurzum 7 months ago
@travv444 Wait, every single prophecy in the Bible has come true?
Do you mean things like Isaiah 13:19-20, where it predicts that Babylon will never be inhabited again? But wait! The area where Babylon was is, in fact, inhabited to this day. I'm really curious as to what you meant by "every single prophecy", as that's clearly untrue.
Zemed87 5 months ago
Looking at the formalism, energy conservation is actually a consequence, the consequence of the invariant of the space under time-evolution.
This leads to the next question: how justified is the assumption?
nublered 7 months ago
@brettppalmer Hi, I love your work, just a hint, there is no link in the end of the clip, where it appears this text - " click here for part 2 " :) ...
Respect.
nilacuivil 7 months ago
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Am I missing something? Dutko seems to buy the 1st law and then he turns right around and says God ignored said law. If God ignored it then why even mention it?
Wouldn't it then be non-applicable to his God hypothesis? As I already said, am I missing something?
dymchurch1 7 months ago
« am I missing something? »
I guess you have to have faith... ;)
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dymchurch1 7 months ago
matter and energy can not be destroyed or created. True, fortunatly the total sum of all matter and energy combined in the universe adds up to ...
... zero
GapWim 8 months ago
The creationist premise is always wrong. They start with creation itself. Gah!! It's all wrong!
HeyRuka 8 months ago
pardon my language butt fuck dutko and atheists and many christians im a christian and im offended by atheists asuming the big bang happened even though its a mother fucking theory and dutko is mentaly retarted but quit bieng such duche bags and grow some fucking balls sometime and respect each others fucking beliefs!!! and if you acctually read and study the bible God did'nt fucking make himself he was just there. actuall fact 2% athiest 21% christian so go fuck yourself or show some respect!!!
Tempest491 8 months ago
@Tempest491
Why should we respect something that is obviously bullshit?
Let's say someone ist believing that the moon is the backside of the sun. Should I respect his believe just because he says so despite the fact that he is obviously retarded?
NO! And you know why? Because there is somthing called free speech!
So suck it up and take it!
ihr0ppa 8 months ago
@ihr0ppa Or Tempest and his/her fellow theists could offer some substantive proof.
"Gawddit" isn't proof.
quj0r 7 months ago
@ihr0ppa its called beleif and obviously you will see when u die and go to hell and u will remember when i warned u that you should beleive while im in a perfect place u will be in agonizing deadly pain and u will regret it from the beginning of your life that you didnt accept God so carry on with your messed up life and in a few decades.. tell me how hell is!
Tempest491 6 months ago
@Tempest491
And if you don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster you will be boiled in tomato sauce for all eternity.
RAmen.
ihr0ppa 6 months ago
@ihr0ppa wtf? wow someone needs some growing up to be done
Tempest491 6 months ago
@Tempest491
Oh...Sorry, I thought we were playing a game that goes like this:
"If you don't believe in *imaginary being*, then you will *imaginary punishment* for all eternity"
It's just that nobody is that stupid to try to scare an atheist with hell... well, except you...
And if it was a game, I would have totaly won because my punishment is way more original and in contrary to hell tamato sauce actually exist.
SUCK IT LOOSER :-P
ihr0ppa 6 months ago
im sorry but i dont mean to be offensive or anything but i think your bieng offensive gowing through the work to try and disprove specifically christianity and all religions that believe in God or the trinity if you know what im talking about(forgot to mention im a christian pardon). but i know your not doing anything wrong but i agree that christians and atheists definitely fight about these but because christians are constantly tested making us test everything.message me back on what you think
Tempest491 8 months ago
nice intro
jmm1233 8 months ago
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downyourtube 8 months ago
Funny thing about the claim atheist have faith same as believers is that it has a subtle undertone that they realize having faith is stupid.
mistereveready 8 months ago
XD AntifaithNY is right heres my version:So something can't come out of nothing so an super human/an human before humans were made must of made something out of nothing and he too made himself out of nothing which is an human but humans didn't get made untill a long time.
MLGHaloKid 8 months ago
BLA I GIVE UP AT 3:00 FIRST GOD CAN NOT MAKE MATTER OUT OF NOTHING DONE.
MLGHaloKid 8 months ago
Under certain conditions, quantum fluctuations can expand into universes. As for the 1st law: the gravity between the objects in the universe has an energy content too - and it so happens that it exactly cancels out the positive contributions from stars, etc. The total energy of the universe is pretty much known to be zero. It's made more clear here: "A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009" watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
LordZentei 8 months ago
Dutko is a tool. He tries to prove matter and energy were created (by God) using the scientific premise that it CAN'T be created (clearly not understanding the logical contradiction).
Of course, he immediately leaps from this absurdity to an even bigger one -- the assumption that the agent of this creation was God. Or maybe bigfoot. Or aliens. He never offers a proof for that. He simply expects us to make the leap with him.
If this guy is speaking for God, God's in trouble.
xxxxPaladinxxxx 8 months ago
Look, Atheisim isn't hurting anyone so why are so many people fighting about it!? I am for one a Christian, and if I said I was a supporter of Atheisim it wouls be a lie. Brettppalmer is only expressing his beliefs and is not ripping apart or murdering people SO JUST SHUT UP! I for one find this topic very interesting and think all you stupid revertees should stop thinking like apes and like sensibile humans!
monanoke48 8 months ago 14
@monanoke48 Well thank you, mononoke48. I find your tone respectful and refreshing! You are certainly welcome to camp out here any time you wish, and watch what goes on inside THIS atheist's head! :)
brettppalmer 8 months ago 9
@brettppalmer....why are you praising mononoke48 about being respectful...when in the midst of explaining your "theory", clearly, tried to make bob dutko look like a fool? Just a question.
Also, you picture a book by Stephen Hawking, a truely brilliant man, right after you said that Energy (and matter?) could be eternal. A statement that Hawking doesn't even believe. He speaks of his own theory of how matter came into existance by way of the law of gravity. I'm respectful, am I still welcome?
jrose4christ 6 months ago
@monanoke48 At the risk of riling you, we all think like apes because... we are apes. =)
Humans, along with the other Great Apes, are members of Hominidae.
quj0r 7 months ago
@quj0r Yes I know that but my argument is pointing out that Humans are an evolved type of ape and we should stop acting like our less intelligent prevolved selves. XD
monanoke48 7 months ago
@monanoke48 We are all evolved apes. Humans did things a bit differently from everyone else. At any rate, I get the spirit of your message and am not trying to antagonize you. It's more for others who might read it and take issue with the "Human = Ape" thing. I hope it will spur them to research it for themselves instead of taking my word for it.
quj0r 7 months ago
@monanoke48 Except we all are apes.
courtlandmcdaniel 6 months ago
@monanoke48
Would you have a problem if he WAS murdering people?
Cubelarooso 6 months ago
@monanoke48 Atheist don't kill people who don't agree with them. Or stifle human development, both socially and technologically. It's useless pieces of retard shit like you that ruin this planet for everyone with a brain. Hang yourself, you fuck.
Endo618 5 months ago
@Endo618 Sorry if it took me so long to respond, I really don't pay attention to idiotic children. Please reread my comment and if you still want to troll/flame thanks for a good laugh and a free hot meal. XD
monanoke48 4 months ago
@monanoke48 If there were more theists like yourself, atheists probably wouldn't need to bother with the issue so much. Thanks for standing up for those who are attacked for merely disagreeing. Not that we have any problem standing up on our own ^_^, but the more the merrier.
Although, the scientist in me would like to point out that acting like a human IS acting like an ape. What with us being apes and all. I'm also acting like a vertebrate :P
Sines314 4 months ago
@Sines314 I was just making a small point. XD Some of my closest friends are atheist and I don't appricate when people 'judge' eachother just for not liking the same thing. XD
monanoke48 4 months ago
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youneekk 8 months ago
Obviously it wasn't always there...the same concept could be addressed when I see a sand castle on the beach......it just didn't pop up on its own......there must have been an architect at some point in time......I have no proof but I can formulate based upon observations and the best plausible explanation that it was in fact created by someone or something.....the proof is out there but sometimes you have to go beyond the science
MegaSoldierforChrist 8 months ago
@MegaSoldierforChrist A sand castle is built from pre-existent matter by another being made of matter. And that being, too, was produced from pre-existing matter. But that's not what you theists are proposing. You're proposing that something immaterial created something material from nothing. That's not merely "beyond science" but so far out there as anything reasonable that it isn't even worth talking about. You really need to watch more of my videos.
brettppalmer 8 months ago 14
@brettppalmer I understand your arguement but it still has no merit. Eventually you run into the issue of what occurred before the universe was created.....that would also include the properties of space and time. This would also include up to 10 created dimensions; 6 of which are non visible. Your idea is that things just fell together without guidance. The idea that things came into being without GOD is impossible. Thanks for the dialogue. You really need to read The Holy Bible.
MegaSoldierforChrist 8 months ago
@MegaSoldierforChrist First of all, I don't appreciate the condescension. I have read the Bible, sir. Probably far many more times and in more depth than you. Also, to ask about what "occurred before the universe was created" is not only begging the question, but also nonsensical. May I make an alternative suggestion and ask that you put down the Holy Bible and step away from the creationist websites. It's seriously bad for your health.
brettppalmer 8 months ago 3
@brettppalmer Nor do I appreciate yours. I'm glad you have read the Bible and maybe you have had more time studying it than I...maybe not. I don't think its a nonsensical question. If the universe did have a beginning than its safe to say it will have an ending. Someone started the process. I know it was GOD. Put down the Bible? Maybe you should pick it up again. Without faith what hope do any of us have. As for me, I shall trust in JESUS.
MegaSoldierforChrist 8 months ago
@MegaSoldierforChrist "If the universe did have a beginning than its safe to say it will have an ending. Someone started the process. I know it was GOD. " Since you "know it" and many a great minds and thinkers do not, tell us what your verifiable evidence for this deity and it's creation as you put it ... is? I for one, as with many here would be interested to know what this verifiable evidence is?
PacalB 8 months ago
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@brettppalmer By them claiming that it takes as much faith to believe in a god or to follow a religion as it does to not believe or adhere to any religion, they have effectively destroyed their own position and the legitimacy of any and all other religious perspectives - because if it takes the same amount of faith to believe as it does to not believe, then faith means absolutely nothing.
nextgenvids 7 months ago
I'm not here to argue science however I find it hard to understand how something can rise from nothingness. In the big bang model, what exploded? Where did the energy come from? I may not be able to prove that GOD was behind the process BUT you cannot prove that HE wasn't. My belief and it does come thru faith tells me that GOD was able to violate laws of physics to accomplish HIS purpose. Cosmic accident..... that just doesn't seem too plausible nor scientific.
MegaSoldierforChrist 9 months ago
@MegaSoldierforChrist no boom, read up on the big bang theory, also it is not on our side to disprove things, you make the positive claim you most have the proofs, no proof then it is logical to say it is not true
bjam89 9 months ago
@bjam89 So there is no bang in the big bang theory...according to you. Disproving the existence of GOD is also not provable according to you. So therefore if you cannot prove it it must be false. I still think that you would have an issue with the the physics law of entropy and laws of thermodynamics. Something had to cause the energy to be released and where did it come from originally. To say that it always was there doesn't make sense. I still think the most plausible answer is GOD. Peace.
MegaSoldierforChrist 9 months ago
@MegaSoldierforChrist i told you to look up the big bang theory, and you will see there is no bang in the theory, and for something to be true there has to be proofs, and tests you can do, it is not up to us to disprove god, it is up to you to prove him, disprove unicorns and dragons for me see you can't do it i am not saying god is false i am saying you have not given any real proof of your brand of god, many people have this problem
bjam89 9 months ago
@bjam89 When you say prove that GOD exists........the concept of proof whether in science or in nature is based upon gather evidence and formulating the most plausible explanation...almost a hypothesis or educated guess......I can prove that GOD exists just on what HE has created.......the planets, human brain, simple cells, dna, and even you. If you go back far enough to the universe at its beginning when it was a dense and in hot status..I looked it up......where did it come from...GOD
MegaSoldierforChrist 8 months ago
@MegaSoldierforChrist and why do you think your god did it, why not the flying spaghetti monster as for the planets i would give that honor to gravity, cells why that is evolution, i am the result of a really long time, stars dying heavier elements getting made and natural processes working Together for a insane amount of time, millions of generations of beings that evolved, i am star dust, when i die my atoms will scatter and live on, i do not need a fantasy friend to feel special
bjam89 8 months ago
@bjam89 Most of the scientific theories on creation are backed up by the GOD of the Bible. With regards to gravity...did you know that if the strengh of gravity were changed by 1 part in 10^100...life would never have developed......was that done by chance or by a designer who knew exactly what to do. Now if we take a look at the "simple cell" which contains tons of information...why didn't the simple cell ever "evolve" into something else. Whe you have information you have intelligence..
MegaSoldierforChrist 8 months ago
@MegaSoldierforChrist Huh. Really? I'd love to have a source for this gravity claim of yours.
Zemed87 8 months ago
@Zemed87 Martin Reese....Just 6 Numbers...check it out
MegaSoldierforChrist 8 months ago
@MegaSoldierforChrist Could you point out to me the exact part where he says this? I don't own the book; the only thing I can find is a quotation from it that says that life would probably not have formed if gravity were a MILLION times weaker compared to the electromagnetic force than it is now. That's hardly 10^-100.
Zemed87 8 months ago
@Zemed87 Not a million times weaker but a factor of 1 part in 10^100 . The same concept is explained in the Newtonian model on gravity with regards to the exponential factor of 2. If it were to change to 2.00001....look out.......its precision is so astounding that it couldn't have been by chance only design...
MegaSoldierforChrist 8 months ago
@MegaSoldierforChrist I see you have no verifiable evidence for these things you claim to "know." This is nothing more than a projection of your delusional, warped mind. Keep tapping your heels Dorothy, you'll get to your fantasy home one day.
PacalB 8 months ago
@MegaSoldierforChrist Furthermore, that's not really a valid argument. How can you know if gravity's strength could be any value? That's like if I said "if the value of pi was off by 10^-100, then x" - it's nonsensical. Pi CANNOT be anything else, because that's how circles work.
Zemed87 8 months ago
@Zemed87 How can you say its not a valid argument. When you have laws of physics, dna, rna, planets, galaxies, cells, and forces of the visble and invisible world. That are so carefully assembled and put in their proper places. And if they are off by just a microbe life would be impossible. Would you say that these things occurred on their own. By accident. Thats the most invalid idea I have ever heard.
MegaSoldierforChrist 8 months ago
@MegaSoldierforChrist Thanks for this post, Mega. It gives me an idea for a new video I can do, putting to rest this fallacy of the "fine tuning" of the universe. You may want to pocket this argument until after I upload it.
brettppalmer 8 months ago
@brettppalmer Please upload a video dedicated to his questions I really wanna see that video :D
MW2Addiction 8 months ago
@brettppalmer will do......its obvious we don't agree......but have a good day anyway...thanks for the chat
MegaSoldierforChrist 8 months ago
@MegaSoldierforChrist I can say it's not really a valid argument since we don't even know IF the laws of physics can be anything different from what they are now. Pi can't possibly be 3.15. That's nonsensical; you can't prove that any other universal constants could be different from what they are now.
Zemed87 8 months ago
@bjam89 Where did the information come from...by the way its digital. As scientific discoveries progress evidence is pointing closer to a "created" universe. They are naming it "GOD". With evolution are you referring to micro or macro? Especially with a earth less than 10,000 years old. When you die, and I hope thats not for a very long time; I hope and pray that you have found JESUS...without HIM there is no life. Spagettios are good but the spagetti monster is from the adversary.
MegaSoldierforChrist 8 months ago
@MegaSoldierforChrist ok are you a poe?
bjam89 8 months ago