Strategies in the Search for ET

[Zurround100]

we SERIOUSLY need to find a way of looking for alien life OTHER than the SETI listening to radio signals thing. Life in some form has existed here for 3.8 billion years yet life that can communicate with radios has existed here for less than a century. It is too tall an order, the percentage of worlds with radio communication would be extremely tiny compared to the worlds with some kind of life, maybe even intelligent (like we were before radio)

[gregtheapostle]

awesome video, thanks google

[avitalconnection]

He is acting ignorant, but truly he is only telling in a poor way, thy have had contact . This is fact, and he does not tell a good lie to tell the truth. He knows way more and cannot tell! It is classified and he would lose his pay. (Military--he must not have known Phil schneider..) All the bases underground and experiments.

[sameer137]

Boring talk. SETI is a huge waste of money and should be shut down.

[ajg5]

@sameer137 why when it is all privately funded?

[Zurround100]

@sameer137 Dude are you on crack? If you are American like me we have a government that spends TRILLIONS of dollars on wars in the middle east and "bailouts" for irresponsible banks, and you are complaining about spending just MILLIONS to MAKE CONTACT WITH EXTRATERRESTRIAL CIVILIZATIONS? What exactly makes you smarter than the SETI scientists?

[sameer137]

@Zurround100 : I'm also against spending trillions on wars. But does that mean its okay to spend millions on a program that has infinitesimally low probability of success? And in any case, I don't think humans are ready to be visited by a more advanced alien civilization. We're barely out of the jungle yet and haven't learned how not to kill each other. Maybe the aliens have a fucking monolith orbiting Pluto or something and if we get there we'll find it.

[MrRobbardos]

Please equip your speakers with a clip on mic. Or don't bother posting the video. It becomes quite meaningless when the viewer loses the audio periodically. I thought y'all were smart why am I having to tell u this ??????

[AyannaShana]

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[bmecher]

Do we really want E. T. to know we are here? It would be good to know something is out there, but them knowing about us? How many times has a less advanced civilization/ tribe survived contact with a more advanced one?

We have had radios for .........70 years that are powerful enough to detect, so any aliens that are with in 70 Lightyears and listening know we are here...........

[lobelia2]

i have a huge zit on my ass

[FQuee]

If there was E.T in the Milky Way then we probley would of found it by now.

They would spot our satellites and try to get contact ( maybe )

or they would produce satellites and we would find them?

Maybe UFO's are there satellites and really do kidnap humans and do test on us.

just like how we would take a rock sample from Mars or wherever.

We are probley the only E.T in the Milky Way

[despinapjr]

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[michealdominici]

why dos every one think its just sound how about sight just use a high power laser and computer to rite on the surface of the moon or on the dusty atmosphere we live under when u rite make shore u rite it in different languages u will some thing happen take my word for it

[benthemiester]

The speaker has the impression that life is simple just add water. The drake equation is outdated. If he knew the statistical probabilities of just one protein forming on its own he would understand the probabilities of life occurring even in a habitable zone far exceed the number of atoms in the entire universe. Or maybe he does but never mentioned it. We know that intelligent life exist on this planet. Everything else is faith based.  His biology is a little fast and loose.

[deedubya286]

@benthemiester Why would you think that life has to start with, or even contain, any protein?

[benthemiester]

@deedubya286 Complex proteins are required to produce DNA and RNA, and DNA through transcription is required to produce proteins. This paradox is not new. I know that some have hypothesized an RNA world but no one has even come close to creating a living cell, although there has been much sensationalism.

With the exception of a minuscule group of scientist, science has all but given up on this. Most have thrown their hands up in the air and just say.....Chemical evolution did it.

[ceboym]

@benthemiester DNA RNA have nothing to do with other being beyong this planet does it not occur to everyone that perhaps they have no lungs or hear? or they require only a gram of food per week ? why they are assuming that any being a million of million miles away from earth with a very advance technology pehaps a millions and million of years ahead of us? just think perhaps they dont need water at or maybe just a gram per or year who knows, space travel for humans needs what what need

[benthemiester]

@ceboym

There are organism here on earth that can go without even less food and water, and have no heart or lungs

We can try to imagine other life forms that are not bound by the same processes, but this is imagination, not science.

"DNA RNA have nothing to do with other being beyong this planet"

This is speculation.

"perhaps they dont need water"

Water is much more precious and necessary for life than you think. No Astrobiologist- Exobiologist believes that water is not necessary.

[reklamedamereloaded]

Seth Shostak should be a comedian - he's just great...

[anglerfly]

#LOL!

[anglerfly]

#lol!

[quadturbo4]

That guy is an excellent representative for science. He's unusually bright and eloquent. Great talk.

[duckydoo2000]

What the heck!?

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[westbroek795]

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[MultiGmr]

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[dahur]

"I was there at [Project] Bluebook and I know the job they had. They were told not to excite the public, not to rock the boat... Whenever a case happened that they coud explain--which was quite a few--they made a point of that, and let that out to the media. . .Cases that were very difficult to explain, they would jump handsprings to keep the media away from them. They had a job to do, rightfully or wrongfully, to keep the public from getting excited."

Dr. J. Allen Hynek,

[dahur]

Stanton Friedman says SETI stands for "Silly effort to investigate". I couldn't agree more. Shostak really packs 'em in doesn't he?

[dahur]

"We had a job to do, whether right or wrong, to keep the public from getting excited."

Dr J Allen Hynek

Director of the US Air Force Project Blue Book.

[dahur]

"For the government to continue to maintain that UFOs are nonexistent in the face of the documents already released and of other cogent evidence presented in this book is puerile and in a sense an insult to the American people."

J. ALLEN HYNEK, PhD

Former scientist with Project Blue Book

Foreword to The UFO Cover-Up,

Fawcett and Greenwood 1984

[lllwindrunner]

"When the long awaited solution to the UFO problem comes, I believe that it will prove to be not merely the next small step in the march of science, but a mighty and totally unexpected quantum leap."

~ J. Allan Hynek- Lead scientific investigator for the USAs only official investigation into UFOs - Project Bluebook

[lllwindrunner]

It's a shame that poor SETI isn't even set up to look into and investigate things that are happening closer to home that very much deserve *unblocked* scientific investigations. They are so fixated on radio signals as the end all and be all for alien communication but yet radio waves may be considered too slow for an advanced life to communicate with over the vast distances. Besides, who ever else might have had it at one time may also be too far off to ever hear from for many human life times.

[boxa888]

yea, also nikola tesla discovered intelligent transmissions 100 yrs ago when he first made the radio, one specialized radio picked up very far into the universe and the intelligent beings sent tesla 1.. 2.. 3.. and tesla send ..4 pulses back and communication was established.!! i put up info on the special radio device tesla used! its very important, contact can be made with the right equipment! teslas radio system was electrostatic so communication was many times faster than light!

[Blacksun1942]

"also nikola tesla discovered intelligent transmissions 100 yrs ago when he first made the radio"

LOL! Oh boy....

[Dzakovich000]

That could be true, but light waves are the fastest thing we have. The universe is truly bigger than we can comprehend.

[lllwindrunner]

Dzakovich- Thanks. I just feel it's even more apt to say that light waves are the fastest thing *we know of* and I can't limit myself to say for a fact that's it's the final word in speed because there may be something else that's tapped into which is faster that a higher civilization knows of and utilizes though we can't yet comprehend it just as we can't comprehend the size of the universe. A good scientist won't discount that possibility so neither can I.

Here's something else interesting >

[lllwindrunner]

This partial list of government documents show our military has engaged and at times even fired on UFO's. Before someone claim its impossible for aliens to come here because they're too far away- as if that's a verified fact, Id say instead of jumping to quick conclusions or creating new arguments that we first become better informed with the now publicly available govt documents and stick first to what we already know so far to be true. These things are worth investigating.

[Blacksun1942]

I feel it's more apt to say that light waves are the fastest thing *that CAN POSSIBLY EXIST* since the speed of light *CANNOT* be violated locally. This is not a case of scientists lacking the imagination to conceive of the possibility of something traveling faster; it's a case that our entire understanding of physics rests on light speed as an absolute limit. If light speed could be surpassed, then causality itself could be violated.

[lllwindrunner]

Some very wise and worthy thoughts from writer, scientist, and inventor of the telecommunications satellite- Author C. Clark:

1# When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.

2# The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.

3# Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

[Blacksun1942]

Flying saucers with blinking lights as craft for aliens of "sufficiently advanced technology" sure as heck doesn't qualify as "magic"...more like a manifestation of the lack of technological imagination of the average Joe.

For YEARS, we've had stealth bombers 100% invisible to radar, that fly too high and too fast to be spotted by military optics, and they don't flash carnival lights that can be spotted by uncle Goober in the middle of the night. Heck, invisible camo is a decade or two away.

[lllwindrunner]

Your add-lib generalizations don't address all the reports. Most people who saw a stealth bomber even when it was secret had the sense to know that it was a airfoil of some kind and some UFOs are clearly captured on radar. Also who says that all UFOs have to have blinking lights and even if some do, what they are really for? Don't forget that military & airline pilots have also reported UFOs in sync with ground radar plenty of times doing things that defy known technology or laws of physics.

[lllwindrunner]

Key up the following, research & form a valid theory: 1947 Twining Memo 1949 FBI Memo, UFOs Top Secret 1950 Hanford AEC document 1952 CIA (Chadwell) Memo 1953 Oak Ridge Memo 1954 Maxwell AFB Emergency Memo 1955 Pepperell AFB Radar-Visual UFO tracking 1966 Minot AFB UFO Landing Memo 1967 Malmstron AFB Memo 1969 Bellender Memo 1975 NORAD and USAF UFO documents 1976 DIA Memo (Iranian Jet fighter incident) 1978 State Dept. Memo on Bolivian UFO crash 1981 Halt Memo 1990 DIA documents on Belgian UFO

[Blacksun1942]

"yet radio waves may be considered too slow for an advanced life to communicate with over the vast distances."

Radio waves travel at the speed of light.

[Blacksun1942]

These people have spent their entire lives devoted to proving ET exists. Carl Sagan himself guessed that there could be 1 million civilizations in our galaxy alone (possibly naively optimistic). Sagan worked on project Blue Book and found no convincing, solid evidence.

If aliens were HERE and could be PROVEN to exist, don't you think these people would do it in a heart beat? Sagan died without ever proving the existence of ET. They WANT to believe, but the evidence just isn't strong enough.

[lllwindrunner]

Nope. Some might but for right now none of them are allowed to pursue all strategies and options for researching and hunting evidence. We have more than ample records of well documented history which shows us endless blockades against fully investigating the UFO/ ET possibility. Carl Sagon never did any real field work into UFOs. Alan Hyneck was a scientist who did. You really can't address this without the topic of cover- up because there is too much evidence of cover-up.

/watch?v=dggKEJe4gmQ

[Blacksun1942]

"Nope"

Yeah....and you've put much more energy, thought, and focus into this then cosmologists, radio astronomers, and SETI scientists.

If all it took was a Youtube video and a layperson like you, these guys would switch jobs in a second and get a Nobel prize for proving the existence of ET.

That's the point; Your conspiracy theory "evidence" might be great stuff for freedom of information activists, no substance for scientists though.

Evidence to support conspiracy theories is a dime a dozen

[lllwindrunner]

Ive already cited you documented evidence of cover-up with project Bluebook and theres plenty more. Any reasonably educated person can find that theres a deliberate blockade against gathering information regarding the UFO topic but If you only want to talk about theories, please give us a good theory for all the documents Ive listed that can reasonably explain there meaning. People we entrust with our lives reporting UFOs and I think it's irresponsible to brush them all aside.

[lllwindrunner]

"Skeptics, who flatly deny the existence of any unexplained phenomenon in the name of 'rationalism,' are among the primary contributors to the rejection of science by the public When a so-called expert tells them the object must have been the moon or a mirage, he is really teaching the public that science is impotent or unwilling to pursue the study of the unknown."

~ Dr. Jacques Vallee, Astrophysicist

[lllwindrunner]

Thoughts from a well respected scientist:

"In my mind, there is no question that they're out there. My Career is well established. My texts books are required reading in all the major capitals on planet earth. If you want to become a physicist to learn about the unified field theory-you read my books. Therefore, I'm in a position to say: Yes- Most likely they're out there, perhaps even visited, perhaps on our moon. - ABC News Quote

~ Professor Michio Kaku, Author of Theoretical Physics UNY

[lllwindrunner]

Lets also not forget that project Bluebook, in and of itself, has long since been admitted to be a propaganda by it's own key team leads and also key up Wikipedia to read what a panel with Carl Sagan had to say about Bluebook in it's *complete context*.

Major Robert J. Friend, who headed up Project Bluebook from 1958 onward, publicly stated that Bluebook was never even adequately founded to study UFOs but was instead on a mission to "re educate" the public about what it wanted to say UFOs were.

[lllwindrunner]

Key all the following, research & form a valid theory 1947 Twining Memo 1949 FBI Memo, UFOs Top Secret 1950 Hanford AEC document 1952 CIA (Chadwell) Memo 1953 Oak Ridge Memo 1954 Maxwell AFB Emergency Memo 1955 Pepperell AFB Radar-Visual UFO tracking 1966 Minot AFB UFO Landing Memo 1967 Malmstron AFB Memo 1969 Bellender Memo 1975 NORAD and USAF UFO documents 1976 DIA Memo (Iranian Jet fighter incident) 1978 State Dept. Memo on Bolivian UFO crash 1981 Halt Memo 1990 DIA documents on Belgian UFO

[jrfinnan]

tomsucks : First, please tell me what assumptions I made. I spent those posts pointing out HIS assumptions and mistakes. I don't think I made any unreasonable assumptions of my own.

Second, our knowledge of physics may be incomplete, but it's very very good.

[jrfinnan]

I could go on, but what's the point? This lecture looks like it was built in a half-hearted rush, and the errors and assumptions glossed over with the glib assurance of a snake oil pedlar.

[tomsucks]

you make assumptions too, like that our view on physics or anything is accurate. It is accurate based on the limited view we have. The vast amount of information we do not understand and make up laws and equations for shows that we are not very intelligent at all

[jrfinnan]

And while it may be a unique reference point, it's extraordinarily difficult to see the gcp from the majority of solar systems in the galaxy, given the amount of material that occludes the view. You'd have to be fairly close to it already to be assured of a good view.

He also talks at some length about the rise of intelligence as if it was a given. Yet dinosaurs ruled the earth for over 200 million years, and they have no signs of intelligent civilisation.

[jrfinnan]

He also mentions looking towards points of interest, such as pulsars and the galactic central point. First, this assumes that any civilisation would have the ability to get there, which is a big assumption given what we know about physics. And secondly, there's a super massive blackhole at the galactic central point. That would make it pretty useless in terms of putting any object there.

[jrfinnan]

At one point he refers to life forming on Earth and compares it to betting in Vegas. Then says that with a sample of 1, you can't make much inference. But the sample is not 1. In the solar system alone it is at least 8 or 9. If we include the exoplanets, we're talking about 350. And if we include the stars we've looked at within 100 light years, the sample would be bigger again.

[jrfinnan]

This lecture is not as good as the comments below make out. It is, in fact, quite riddled with mistakes. Some examples:

He talks about how civilisations could have been around for billions of years ahead of our own because the universe is 3 times older than our solar system. That may be true, but the materials needed to form any sort of technology require Population I stars, which are nowhere near as old as the universe, or the Population II and III stars.

[tankej]

Simply fascinating! I've been following SETI for several years now, and listening to Seth's radio show "Are We Alone?" via podcast for at least a year, and I can't recommend it highly enough. The topics are wide-ranging, always super-enlightening, and range across the whole spectrum of scientific inquiry in general, not just SETI issues. Einfach ausgezeichnet! Ich bin jede Woche gespannt, was als naechstes gesendet wird. Hoechste Qualitaet. Bravo!

[Qulopuaa]

I find ressearich for aliens good , but trying to communicate through sending broadcast just stupid,YOU scientist as you are a technich in principal that dont understand a lowlife(us) place in the biological tree, HOW stupid is it for a singing/mating male frog (us)to sing, He want some i guess but he'll be a big target for predators-I understand you scientist will say ur "unresponible "for your actions since you dont know. KNOW your and our place if there are biological life out there.

[ps2os2]

Excellent video and well worth the time to view it.

Does anyone know where I can pick up a copy?

[laryon]

Suppose Alien are more concern with the "Well Being" of the other aliens instead of wasting money and time looking trough telescopes hoping to be famous.....The Vanity of Corporate Welfare....

[shon9514]

You have to give Seth Shostak credit for his life commitment in search for intelligent life. I hope he succeeds in his quest.

[stevebritgimp]

(in terms of getting, say, a visible light image of our sun).

[stevebritgimp]

I have to take issue with the Hubble Deep Field image as an example of why alien life is likely - we're seeing that as it was billions of years ago - so yes, alien life is likely to be there. Now. Unfortunately we need it to be there billions of years ago for us to get a signal. If our sun was in one of those galaxies in the picture now, it wouldn't have even formed yet.

[Spanky872]

haha, if the aliens are smart, they wont have money

[magman20005]

switch positions, and ask yourself, If our government found a world less civilized than our own, how would we treat them? probably not to good, that is your answer.

[drpsionic]

Memo to Google: This is a wireless mike!

[outofmymind1985]

There are undoubted evidence about ET's who visited Earth and have been visiting for some time.

Google claims to be a step ahed of things... not this time.

Too sad that someone else interests have been served again.

I expected more from google.

[flipojerome]

You've probably been out of your mind since 1985...

[albamati]

next time, don't walk away from microphone. never

[k0zka]

I hate being pessimistic, but I believe when we find another intelligent race in the world, we will not be happy with it. :-) Either on short or long term, they will become enemies.

Cool presentation, thanks!

[ismetteren]

Then lets hope we find someone a little less intelligent than us :P

[borat443]

Scientist and laymen are looking way out in space for ET life, well the Earth is already way out in the middle of space if you adjust your consciousness, the things your looking for will come to you and already have.

[bsdpowa]

just because we haven't found anything it doesn't mean it's not out there

[SuperFinGuy]

"We havent found anything"

What can I say the nile isn't just a river in Egypt.

[SuperFinGuy]

"We have not found compelling evidence of any life beyond earth."

Wow you need some serious updates man, my advice, don't hang out with NASA, review your data and take a look at mars yourself.