if the video is 3 or more years old (mine made in late 05 -posted early 06 at most)
those videos/music should have been grandfathered 2002-2006 in and sent a notice out saying all new videos would get copyright notices , why nail it, when the user hardly post anything too much power is bad for the company, even with me saying i do not own the song or/show
I think youtube has every right to worried about copyright. Youtube has simply been sued too many times. However I will say that some of youtube's punishments and policy's like copyright strikes are cruel and too harsh and don't fit the crime. I know of somebody who got a copyright strike in June of 2007 now it is November of 2011 and the strike is STILL ON HIS ACCOUNT WTF??? He got one DMCA complaint and he has to live with a 4+ year strike??? That's simply not fair or reasonable!!!
I have done some research, and Viacom may have broken the law by filing all those takedown notices. According to Universal City Studios v. Nintendo, companies who fraudulently claim copyright infringement can be held liable for damages.
Yeh I think if you talk to anyone on youtube or the internet for that matter theyre bound to support free speech especially true on the internet so make a DMCA abuse website dude :P!
The content ID system should categorize the content, stuff by news networks and informational networks that are most likely to to end up in a 'fair use' videos and quarantine them separate from the rest and have the stuff that is almost always used in 'fair use' go through a human being!
Fair use is not in direct competition with copyright laws. I saw no problem with what youtube representatives said here. I found their advice sound. Understanding copyright laws would help. You may also want to talk with someone who supports themselves by creating original works of art and deals with copyright everyday. I agree that DMCA can be used incorrectly, and abuse of DMCA should be repremanded. This is a complicated issue where there is not a one sentence answer to fit every situation.
I don't like how that guy decided because it's hard to tell if something is legal or not you shouldn't do it. When he said it's hard to tell which cases of fair use are okay so don't do it. That's bull crap. That'd be like a cop saying don't walk in back alleys cause I might think you're a drug dealer.
IF YOUTUBE HIRED PEOPLE TO MONITOR VIDEOS THEY WOULD SAVE MONEY IN THE LONGRUN THEY JUST DONT WANT THE PEOPLE THEY HIRE TO BE LIABLE WICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE ANY SHARK OF A LAWYER WILL BLAME THE NEXT PERSON YOUTUBE THEM SELVES SHOULD MAKE GUIDELINE VIDEOS BASED ON EXAMPLES OF HOW TO USE COPYRIGHT THEM LIMITATIONS ETC ...
Violate the DMCA. This is just like music pirates. Technically, we have ALL committed a crime by listening to free music online... but does any1 ever get arrested for it? Literally, NEVER. When the entire body public is committing some kind of action, whatever it is, the law cannot stop everyone or ANYone from doing it. Ignore DMCA. We all violate it by posting/watching shows and movies, but so many of us do it that we are UNSTOPPABLE. If u get DMCA'ed... tell them to fuck off. Literally.
I filed DMCA's against an asshole on here that uploaded all of my video tutorials with my titles and everything and they said I had no proof they were my video's, a few have me in them, so they are still up on the assholes channel.
Yes, I'd support some sort of way for false DMCA'ers to be held accountable. Is the actual name and personal info required to file a DMCA? I do not know if it is or not. Having that requirement, alone, would seem to have some value. A couple of these people in court or being barred from Youtube access would stop the practice.
why the F*ck is youtube/google soooooooo concerned with copyright??? They are a multi-billion dollar company who gives a rats-a** if they get sued a few times to work out the fair use issue, they'll never run out of money Google is huge! Google needs to get off their a*** and have the b*lls to refuse to take down video that fall within fair use, it doesn't matter if they get sued they have too much money!!!
I think it's really stupid how they are always suspending the accounts of the younger users (13, 14, 15,16-year-olds) and taking down the videos of those who don't know any better; but when it comes to serious issues like DMCA abuse and Fair Use, they don't do a damn thing about it!
@MultiUniv3rsal Newgrounds should have a video portal. When a copyright claim is brought up on Newgrounds, they actually investigate it. If one person makes repeated false claims of ToS violations, they lose the privilege of having their reports taken seriously. The only way to get it back is to actually flag something that is in violation of the Terms of Service.
That IS horrible that YouTube's attitudes around Fair Use seem akin to those of the RIAA - "Fair Use is too complicated so just ignore it's existence. Your stuff is cool... obviously, but yea, fair use... Don't copy that floppy!"
I hope You Tube will not begin to censor free speech. Right now You Tube is the last bastion of free speech,not only for America, but for the world. You Tube DO NOT RESORT TO CENSORSHIP AND POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. Let ideas flow freely.
Free speech is not popular speech and is in fact free only if unpopular ideas can be expressed without abridgment.
@Termininja Well, I think if there are enough complaints they will stop this. I like deathZor42's comment on how they can get around restricting laws. I know that all big banks, corporations, & Insurance companies all seem to get around laws. They are crooks, but, THIS IS A MATTER OF FREE SPEECH!
youtube could solve this problem, by physically mailing the DMCA counter notice to the address provide in the original DMCA from what i know of DMCA law: there is no legal reason to send this information over a non-physical medium. this would prevent at the very least people getting other people's private information.
Can you say "chilling effect"? If we can't use clips then there's no critique or parody, especially for clips that are not up online somewhere (for example video of CNN flipping through pages of blog comments about Sarah Palin to find a "couple of positive ones" to balance of their segment).
Yeah, I don't think youtube completely agrees with the whole "Fair Use Clause" because of many parodies and youtube poops which get removed or even the user who created them suspended, they're not good with fair use.
It seems to me that the best system YouTube could implement would require the entity filing a DMCA abuse claim to prove that they are in fact the copyright holder before the video is pulled down. This would be a major improvement over the current promissory note system, especially since violators aren't being charged with the perjury they have committed.
I find it interesting that when asked about the rampant DMCA Abuse, YouTube casually stated "maybe we'll do something in the future" as if they were discussing their favorite flavor of cereal. It's obvious YouTube will never care, unless someone sues YT and holds YT responsible for actively tolerating illegal activity on their site. Maybe they'll give a shit then.
I think you make some great points here, and I don't disagree with you. The only thing I would ask you is, what do you expect Youtube to do? Surely you don't think they can hire people to personally check every video for copyright infringement. They are a business and have to cover their backs legally.
Question 2: It took a while, but I did watch the whole panel in your videos. Half the time, I wanted to gouge my eyes out while listening to the nonsense the YouTube representatives were spouting. No, I really don't think they care about fair use and free speech. Bottom line: we need to do something about that.
Well Glenn Brown is a lawyer and with Youtubes recent legal battle with Viacom its clear that the official Youtube position is on the behalf of the copyright holders.
But whats so obviously wrong is that Youtubes position is directly opposite normal copyright legal practice where You as a copyright holder must prove that you actually own the rights and that your rights have been abused before anything is done. Youtube automatically pulls a video down before a copyright infringement is proven.
Google is being evil, they should ALWAYS lean toward the user's video staying up when there is ambiguity that requires further (human) review. Very disappointing to hear that this is the path they are taking
"In the nation’s first such ruling, federal judge Jeremy Fogel ordered that copyright owners must consider fair use before sending takedown notices to online video-sharing sites"
GOOGLE THIS: Fair Use Digital Millennium Copyright Act, Case 5:07-cv-03783-JF Stephanie Lenz vs Universal Music Group
CASE NOTES (someone fought back): Feb. 2007 Stephanie Lenz filmed her kids dancing to “Let’s Go Crazy” by Prince in the background; Per UMG, YouTube pulled the video from its website.
One popular youtuber, chuggaaconroy, was suspended recently because trolls made false DMCA claims against his videos. One of these claims was that the troll owned chuggaaconroy's voice.
@RobotKing27 Hey, I know what to do: everyone make claims of DMCA violation on every conservative video you see. Let's get the lying bastards yanked using this fucked system to do it. Why the hell not?
Using an AC/DC song (or any other copyrighted song) in a video that I make and post to TouTube, or posting a movie in 10 minute segments, can NOT be considered to be "Fair Use", because such is not for MY PERSONAL USE, but rather for PUBLIC USE.
Remember, "redistribution", EVEN WITHOUT MONETARY GAIN, is what copyrights bar.
So if you use copyrighted material for non-personal use, you need to ask yourself,
Do I have permission, IN WRITING, from the copyright owner?
"its very difficult..." she kept starting her sentences that way, it kinda pissed me off. its like they are saying "that would be too hard...i dont wanna!"
we know its difficult, that isnt the question, its can you DO it! we are looking for answers not excuses. come straight out and say "its not worth our time" or "we dont really care about it that much" dont give this pussyfooting around about "oh its very difficult"
Yeah, I agree 100 with your very last comment. I was about to actually post those same words. It seemed like he was just shoveling shit at everyone. Honestly they could keep videos up until it was proven to be a violation. Youtube has no reason not to. Just lame excuses. How sad, the only way things will change is if it back fires on them somehow.
Moron claims that a human being cannot look at a video and look whether or not it is appropriate for the site. BUT human people can write programs that will do exactly that.
Thing is, hiring people to watch all those video's will cost them a lot of money.
The lady talks about balancing between Youtube users and big content
But they go out of their way to help the 4 big content owners, and dont help users against bogus DMCA notices.
I think it is a pity that youtube, that is really a powerful entity on the web, doesnt use that power more for the benefit of its userbase. For instance, if an artist decides to track or monetize certain content, he can still choose to sue someone after a year orso and hits have started to go down
so they're basically going to remove anything that is claimed as copyright violation? .......................i'll remember this next time i see a video i dont like....
For the first question, definitively yes, and for the second one, they seem to be too lazy to even bother on creating a system where human beings can actually look at a video instead of relying completely on a machine.
Youtube is a private organization. They can censor whatever they want. It is not a matter of free speech. You do not have any right to post on youtube. If you don't like youtube's policies go somewhere else. So youtube is the best media outlet, TO BAD!
@aarondavid826 You are a funny person, like a clown. Youtube violates their own terms known as TOS. If you claim to be free then be so. Dont violate your own terms and claim free speech.
youtube provides a free mass media to everyone who wishes to use it. Users need to get over themselves, youtube can do whatever it wants to do, don't like use another website. No one has the "right" to have a voice on a mass media outlet.
I don't think they seemed to be against fair use...most of this seems kinda selfish and whinny "it takes thirty days to get videos put back up".. Big deal Google is trying to offer us this great site for FREE but they don't want to get sued and there is nothing wrong with waiting 30 on for a vid to get put back up if it prevents Google from getting sued and keeps the WHOLE site up... RIGHT?
The only good point you made was that they give out personal info on false dmca's Thats not cool
Hell yeah I would support that, I've been asking for something like this for a year now.
And yes, those youtube people were terrible, WE are the reason they are up and running.... if people stopped uploading videos, youtube would cease to exist, simple as that.
I would love to move to a competitor of youtube, but I don't know of any that are any better.
We seriously need a new platform for media; TV replaced radio, Internet is on the brink of replacing TV, and if this continues and censorship gets to continue like this - we'll require a new platform to replace the Internet in 5+ years.
And this will continue until censorship ends and people can relax.
YouTube isn't the government. Free Speech is a right we are (supposed to be) guaranteed by the government (as in, you can't be prosecuted for free speech including fair use). No where does it say a corporation needs to support our right to free speech and/or amplify our messages in any way. It's funny that people seem to think they should; Google's actions are those that stand to benefit them most, which doesn't include fair use or free speech for anyone but Google.
An intelligent human can't look at something and say "this is wholesale theft of content"? Really? Apparently YouTube's employees are not intelligent humans.
YouTube is a broken, corrupted piece of shit website that's dying. Hell, it's already dead. People are so sick of their bullshit, they are leaving to create their own site. It's now no longer safe to EVER put up a video, because if some troll, who either has a grudge against you, or just thinks it's funny, can flag your video, and it WILL get taken down, along with your account. And youtube doesn't give a fuck. I'll probably never upload anything for that very reason. Fuck YouTube.
@eathenicus If you use copywritten material under fair use then your videos shouldnt be removed. But that doesnt stop people from flase flagging and false DMCA complaints.
@AnotherNutJob Exactly, well said! It's insanely not fair to accept a DMCA accusation by anyone without evidence and taking that video down. Also, it is insanely unfair that this person doesn't have to reveal himself/herself even though the accused *must* when he/she appeals the accusation.
@AnotherNutJob I think that's true, or at least it was when this meeting took place, but they DO care about their bottom line. I figure if word gets out that people are not getting reinstated after a false DMCA claim, it would really hurt their business. People would leave in droves. Some other video hosting web site would see the great attraction of offering a service which protects users to a much better degree.
of curse I will help and Im in mexico... and the youtube's posittion on fair use is still regardless of what the representatives may say is of latting users mostly unprotected, so i like to say isnt it better to have both the computer and a human element cheking take down notice and copyright claims before taking anithing down? will note the cordinated use of those elements reduce the false claimes in both sides? I think liberlaveiwer as a politician... is great lawyer and a political analist
Simple solution. Have any video flagged by the automatic system given a short period where there is a flag on it reporting that it has been tagged as copyright infringement and at the end of that period it will be taken down. Have a "Dispute / claim fair use" button. You press it, and that flags the video. A Youtube editor THEN gets the automatic system forward them a splitscreen view of the user's video and the copyrighted video it recognised it as matching. The editor then makes the decision.
Further to my suggestion - I would also point out that the company I work for have two or three people who handle this sort of claim every day, dealing with a customer base in the hundreds of thousands. It would not require that youtube employ more than a handful of people to handle these claims. Usually you could determine fair use in a matter of seconds.
Ultimately, Youtube's job is to protect themselves first. You're never going to get them into a position where they will expose themselves in favor of the free speech of their users, so their attitude toward Fair Use is certainly one of mere tolerance. Be thankful they've done what they can to allow a redress for those who feel they've been unfairly targetted for takedown. The Youtube representative did seem receptive to some of the DMCA Abuse stuff at the end, though.
Their actions become no different than causing damage to reputation by acting on an unsubstantiated rumor. Worse, they act by delivering personal information, without even being able to identify to whom they delivered it.
If this happened at a bank, they would have been put against a wall by now.
It also appears to me, that if YouTube allows online DMCA claim, and fails to verify the identity of the claimant, then YouTube, by distributing personal info to an anonymous person by unverified assertion of identity is in violation of TPA (1996) concerning the protection of user personal information.
Since anonymous legal filing is invalid, YouTube shares liability with the claimant in the accusation of the channel holder as presumed guilty of a criminal act.
In addition, the majority of marginal claims in which one user parodies another posting, it isn't a matter of fair use, it is a matter of explicit license granted under the terms of YT's own ToU. They are taking down licensed derivative works and that appears to violate the language of the DMCA itself, with YT as the infringing party.
If their matching software can filter postings, then it can recognize preexisting postings and the proportion of unmodified content used.
The cause of the abuse is not simply valid or even mistaken claims. The primary cause is lack of accountability. Positive identification of the claimant would prevent most and hold accountable those who abuse it for reasons other than marginally valid claim.
...without confirming the claimant identity, the claim is invalid on its face. Relaying personal counterclaim info to anonymous claimant becomes an inexcusable security vulnerability.
I tried get the "clearance" once for a song as fair use. After 2 months worth of emails I finally got the "clearance" from the copyright holders that my video was fair use. By that point, the joke I was making in the video and the music had lost it's use to me and I basically wrote back and told the copyright holders thanks but go screw yourself for making it this hard to get approval.
The level of inaction and lack of transperancy on the part of Youtube, even in the face of there being discontent around for ccoming on two years now, is simply in my opinion, inexcusable.
They may have their reasons for doing things the way they did, but they were so inactive and dismissive in the face of user complaints, while devoting a lot of time to pointless and trivial updates there weren't needed, and in some cases weren't wanted.
@Wolfau5 ... "they explain the situation and we understand why things are this way" matter. Youtube is essentially broken, and I hold apathy, or in some cases active contempt for their users to be the main reason for this.
They don't care about fair use (as you raise), and are simply covering their asses because companies will sue but not individual users. Unfortunately for them, groups of users will leave because they are so frustrated with this policy.
1. Depends on how it was handled, it sounds like it could either be very useful and effective, or essentially turn into kind of "legal vigelantism".
2. I watched the first 30min, and am not especially savvy in legal jargon, however I can tell you that for the last two years (as I raised before), their inaction has spoken volumes to their views on the matter. It is impossible that they were unaware of the sheer extent the system was being abused.
A friend used a Led Zeppelin tune for her live dance show in a video and it was taken down, what is it now... people can't use any tunes anymore? I don't get it... and the saddest part is that thousands of other people used that same song in videos, I can't understand why the double standards...
The only issue with getting a government agency to have a mechanism in place for DMCA abuse is that people will abuse that too. It can be difficult enough to deal with a false DMCA charge, imagine dealing with a false charge that gets the DOJ on your back.
But, very nice vid. One thing I do know is change is needed. I think the presumption against video makers for the take down needs to be reversed. The copyright holders have the resources, let them choose the valid claims to go after.
@TheTinySaint Sound argument. YouTube was created by US. and personally. i have found more songs, that i eventually buy on iTunes. though you tube videos. IE. AMV's because it's free advertising. get it?
I would much rather have the Fair use board be part of YouTube and not the US Government. YouTube is creating the problem with "click to DMCA" take downs, they should be the place to solve this problem.
Viacom's assault on Copyright has gotten Youtube scared to listen to it's Customers.. Rather they take a "Out of sight and out of mind" Approach.
I utterly agree a group to fight false DMCA's through Civil Liberty groups that have the resources to twist the arm of Youtube to get tough on False Flaggers needs to be implemented some how?
youtube is now a part of a major corporation, it has to answer to no one, when youtube first started, it was a free place for people to post their creative ideas, now, its a medium for marketing and fame...
the internet of 2010 is not the same as the internet of 1998....the Big boys(corporations) will milk it for profit....pure and simple...
It really is just a money game to them. The question that is not asked is "how can we make youtube better?" but instead "how can we make youtube better at making money?" these days. I've always wondered, what good does literally spamming money do? While I discourage communism, at least put the money to HELP everyone else. When you make millions of dollars a year, why not live like a upper-middle class citizen and pay people to make vaccines? I just dont understand the greed.
Thank you for taking the time to confront youtube and their representatives on the matters of fair use and DMCA abuse. Their answers were poor and unsatisfying. I have not put videos up on youtube because of these reasons and their community standards guidelines. I am more than willing to watch videos here but my uploads go to vimeo.
LiberalViewer, have you been aware of CONJOPI? He's has false flagged and suspended A LOT of Youtubers, mainly Let's Players. Users like NintendoCapriSun and Chuggaaconroy that had over 10,000 subscribers and they didn't violate anything and yet he got them banned. He's also suspended a bunch of other users, and I don't know if anyone has done anything about it.
Interesting video. On the one hand, they did actually give you a good answer about why they couldn't just have a human being looking at the videos and judging whether or not they infringe copyright. On the other hand, this does show how broken the copyright system is with respect to modern technology.
couldn't they implement some kind of system where you have to put in a credit card number and scan in your drivers licenses to make sure you are who you way you are? i think that would virtually eliminate dmcas overnight
Youtubes interest is with the corporations, in not getting sued, and in making money whilst spending as little as possible paying staff
the ideal scenario would be to set up a video site owned and run by users with a demoratically elected board but they have us by the balls cos all our content is on here
To me it seems as if YouTube's attitude towards Fair Use is very poor, as I stated a few times in the VidCon videos. It is very telling that they presume this conference will necessitate them to send a lawyer as backup to Victoria Grand. They obviously don't want her to get caught saying anything that might show an attitude which is more tolerant than is needed. I really get the feeling Mr. Brown is an apologist for a company who knows they are being unfair to their consumers.
Cool vid as always. But go check out that recent TED conference video where a youtube representative (Margaret Stewart) read from a teleprompter for 6 minutes about how great youtube and their automated copyright infringement detectors are. Totally Orwellian. And totally not fit for TED to do such a biased corporate plug.
I'd like to see you do a response to that video.... :)
I am sorry to say, but I watched the entire debate and I felt that after that response you shuold have pressed the issue, and gotten him to answer the question. If I remember correctly there has been deaththreats and releasing personal information, which could be dangerous for the people making the videos. (like it was claimed when shawn against thunderfoot, and i belive coughlan666 made a vid where he said he got a deaththreat from a guy getting the info through DMCA abuse)
First of all I would like to thank LiberalViewer for his time and expertise. Second I would like to thank YouTube for having these discussions. I think it is important to remember that YouTube is a free service and as such they control the content. They can take down ANYTHING they want for ANY and there is NOTHING you can do about it. That being said if they error on the side of covering their butts, I can't say I blame them, and I think they have been very accommodating for the users.
However, I do think they DMCA process needs to be reworked. It would be nice if the video could be left up during the process. No personal information should be provided until proof of a lawsuit could be provided. And there should be some form of punishment for filing false claims.
I did watch all 6 videos on here and they really did just kind of give the feeling of, "We have our system setup just the way we want it, and if you don't like it then stop using copyrighted material if it's fair use or not."
I agree that the DMCA abuse should have real consequences. As for the other factor, I think it's more that Youtube doesn't want to have to be the defendant in a case that will set the precedent on where the limits of "fair use" lie. They've been involved in a lot of expensive court cases, and with the modern legal system, the case itself is the punishment, as even if the defendant is found "not guilty", they've already spent millions on legal costs. ...
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dwype 1 day ago
if the video is 3 or more years old (mine made in late 05 -posted early 06 at most)
those videos/music should have been grandfathered 2002-2006 in and sent a notice out saying all new videos would get copyright notices , why nail it, when the user hardly post anything too much power is bad for the company, even with me saying i do not own the song or/show
shadowblitz004 3 weeks ago
I think youtube has every right to worried about copyright. Youtube has simply been sued too many times. However I will say that some of youtube's punishments and policy's like copyright strikes are cruel and too harsh and don't fit the crime. I know of somebody who got a copyright strike in June of 2007 now it is November of 2011 and the strike is STILL ON HIS ACCOUNT WTF??? He got one DMCA complaint and he has to live with a 4+ year strike??? That's simply not fair or reasonable!!!
SmokingEssy7887 3 months ago
@SmokingEssy7887
a policy can be put in place if no warnings take place
remove strike after a year, if there is warning, add 4 months to it
so 1 year 4 months, so forth for each warning
shadowblitz004 3 weeks ago
Thanks for asking the tough questions
dableeper 5 months ago
i would support a DMCA Abuse law.
Anonymous77513 6 months ago
I have done some research, and Viacom may have broken the law by filing all those takedown notices. According to Universal City Studios v. Nintendo, companies who fraudulently claim copyright infringement can be held liable for damages.
LegallyBlindGamer 6 months ago
Yeh I think if you talk to anyone on youtube or the internet for that matter theyre bound to support free speech especially true on the internet so make a DMCA abuse website dude :P!
Jammydodge88 6 months ago
The content ID system should categorize the content, stuff by news networks and informational networks that are most likely to to end up in a 'fair use' videos and quarantine them separate from the rest and have the stuff that is almost always used in 'fair use' go through a human being!
rooftopeagle 7 months ago
sounds like you need to file a class action lawsuit against youtube.
Get /keep a list , check it twice
GorgeGeorg 7 months ago
you can investigate U.S. copyright laws and fair use/parody/and other exceptions at the copyright website at copyright(dot)gov
TattooedSnakeLady 7 months ago
Fair use is not in direct competition with copyright laws. I saw no problem with what youtube representatives said here. I found their advice sound. Understanding copyright laws would help. You may also want to talk with someone who supports themselves by creating original works of art and deals with copyright everyday. I agree that DMCA can be used incorrectly, and abuse of DMCA should be repremanded. This is a complicated issue where there is not a one sentence answer to fit every situation.
TattooedSnakeLady 7 months ago
I don't like how that guy decided because it's hard to tell if something is legal or not you shouldn't do it. When he said it's hard to tell which cases of fair use are okay so don't do it. That's bull crap. That'd be like a cop saying don't walk in back alleys cause I might think you're a drug dealer.
CaptainCarthex 10 months ago
Youtube is INTENTIONALLY violating the fair use act of 2007 and they know it.
ultrajd 10 months ago
@ultrajd That's obvious....
Raptor232 10 months ago
@Raptor232 Yep.
ultrajd 10 months ago
IF YOUTUBE HIRED PEOPLE TO MONITOR VIDEOS THEY WOULD SAVE MONEY IN THE LONGRUN THEY JUST DONT WANT THE PEOPLE THEY HIRE TO BE LIABLE WICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE ANY SHARK OF A LAWYER WILL BLAME THE NEXT PERSON YOUTUBE THEM SELVES SHOULD MAKE GUIDELINE VIDEOS BASED ON EXAMPLES OF HOW TO USE COPYRIGHT THEM LIMITATIONS ETC ...
SELZ1981 11 months ago
They don't care..
retepvosnul 11 months ago
Violate the DMCA. This is just like music pirates. Technically, we have ALL committed a crime by listening to free music online... but does any1 ever get arrested for it? Literally, NEVER. When the entire body public is committing some kind of action, whatever it is, the law cannot stop everyone or ANYone from doing it. Ignore DMCA. We all violate it by posting/watching shows and movies, but so many of us do it that we are UNSTOPPABLE. If u get DMCA'ed... tell them to fuck off. Literally.
george77772moons 11 months ago
You are guilty until proven innocent. That is a French Concept and LAW!
MrSieish 11 months ago
I filed DMCA's against an asshole on here that uploaded all of my video tutorials with my titles and everything and they said I had no proof they were my video's, a few have me in them, so they are still up on the assholes channel.
Infidelisification 1 year ago
Yes, I'd support some sort of way for false DMCA'ers to be held accountable. Is the actual name and personal info required to file a DMCA? I do not know if it is or not. Having that requirement, alone, would seem to have some value. A couple of these people in court or being barred from Youtube access would stop the practice.
0609jean 1 year ago
why the F*ck is youtube/google soooooooo concerned with copyright??? They are a multi-billion dollar company who gives a rats-a** if they get sued a few times to work out the fair use issue, they'll never run out of money Google is huge! Google needs to get off their a*** and have the b*lls to refuse to take down video that fall within fair use, it doesn't matter if they get sued they have too much money!!!
SmokingEssy7887 1 year ago
I think it's really stupid how they are always suspending the accounts of the younger users (13, 14, 15,16-year-olds) and taking down the videos of those who don't know any better; but when it comes to serious issues like DMCA abuse and Fair Use, they don't do a damn thing about it!
SuperAelita 1 year ago
Someone get up off their ass and make an uploading site that actually IS democratic and fair.
So fucking tired of 100% of the internet being under private ownership.
But you can't walk away from YouTube, because the legal jargon you witnessed in this video is exactly how they monopolized video uploading sites.
I, for one, would rather have an orgish than not have one.
MultiUniv3rsal 1 year ago 4
@MultiUniv3rsal So true and it's only going to get worse.Big business have arrived and you tube have bent over for them
TheFreevoice1 1 year ago
@MultiUniv3rsal Newgrounds should have a video portal. When a copyright claim is brought up on Newgrounds, they actually investigate it. If one person makes repeated false claims of ToS violations, they lose the privilege of having their reports taken seriously. The only way to get it back is to actually flag something that is in violation of the Terms of Service.
LegallyBlindGamer 1 year ago
That IS horrible that YouTube's attitudes around Fair Use seem akin to those of the RIAA - "Fair Use is too complicated so just ignore it's existence. Your stuff is cool... obviously, but yea, fair use... Don't copy that floppy!"
HackerNewsNetwork 1 year ago
Wow I never thought of It like that.
Gingerkiller99 1 year ago
Screw the DMCA, WMG, the Content ID imbeciles, and the morons and machines at YouTube!
YouTube is a dictatorship!
Content ID is BS!
evanbixbite24 1 year ago 8
Do any of you smart arses talk plain English? Anyone having problems getting onto their channels in the UK these days?
Noodles37UK 1 year ago 2
I hope You Tube will not begin to censor free speech. Right now You Tube is the last bastion of free speech,not only for America, but for the world. You Tube DO NOT RESORT TO CENSORSHIP AND POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. Let ideas flow freely.
Free speech is not popular speech and is in fact free only if unpopular ideas can be expressed without abridgment.
reginaDexant 1 year ago
@reginaDexant YOUTUBE already do it!
Termininja 1 year ago
@Termininja Well, I think if there are enough complaints they will stop this. I like deathZor42's comment on how they can get around restricting laws. I know that all big banks, corporations, & Insurance companies all seem to get around laws. They are crooks, but, THIS IS A MATTER OF FREE SPEECH!
reginaDexant 1 year ago
WARNING THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE.
youtube could solve this problem, by physically mailing the DMCA counter notice to the address provide in the original DMCA from what i know of DMCA law: there is no legal reason to send this information over a non-physical medium. this would prevent at the very least people getting other people's private information.
deathZor42 1 year ago
I have notices on vidoes that are my creation with free licensing music. The filters are flawed.
shannonm75 1 year ago
Can you say "chilling effect"? If we can't use clips then there's no critique or parody, especially for clips that are not up online somewhere (for example video of CNN flipping through pages of blog comments about Sarah Palin to find a "couple of positive ones" to balance of their segment).
weedipikia 1 year ago
I have been DMCAed myself by a bogus studio.
LouistheHedgehog 1 year ago
@LouistheHedgehog
LOL!
NotNotDrSerbia 1 year ago
Yeah, I don't think youtube completely agrees with the whole "Fair Use Clause" because of many parodies and youtube poops which get removed or even the user who created them suspended, they're not good with fair use.
DMCAFacebook 1 year ago
Q#1 Yes
Q#2 it seemed like they really did not want to talk about like they just wanted to get the issue out of the lime light as fast as possible
MasterJericho85 1 year ago
It seems to me that the best system YouTube could implement would require the entity filing a DMCA abuse claim to prove that they are in fact the copyright holder before the video is pulled down. This would be a major improvement over the current promissory note system, especially since violators aren't being charged with the perjury they have committed.
stephenwh1987 1 year ago
I find it interesting that when asked about the rampant DMCA Abuse, YouTube casually stated "maybe we'll do something in the future" as if they were discussing their favorite flavor of cereal. It's obvious YouTube will never care, unless someone sues YT and holds YT responsible for actively tolerating illegal activity on their site. Maybe they'll give a shit then.
InfidelAvenger 1 year ago
I think you make some great points here, and I don't disagree with you. The only thing I would ask you is, what do you expect Youtube to do? Surely you don't think they can hire people to personally check every video for copyright infringement. They are a business and have to cover their backs legally.
MrCommunistSpy 1 year ago
fucky fake copyrights
bertmarx 1 year ago
Yes, I would gladly support such a cause!
anzwertree 1 year ago
Question 1: Heck yes I would be all for it!
Question 2: It took a while, but I did watch the whole panel in your videos. Half the time, I wanted to gouge my eyes out while listening to the nonsense the YouTube representatives were spouting. No, I really don't think they care about fair use and free speech. Bottom line: we need to do something about that.
FaerieFyreGirl 1 year ago
Well Glenn Brown is a lawyer and with Youtubes recent legal battle with Viacom its clear that the official Youtube position is on the behalf of the copyright holders.
But whats so obviously wrong is that Youtubes position is directly opposite normal copyright legal practice where You as a copyright holder must prove that you actually own the rights and that your rights have been abused before anything is done. Youtube automatically pulls a video down before a copyright infringement is proven.
mYOzZyKaT 1 year ago
WHO GIVES A FUCKING SHIT?!?!
if you have issues dont use youtube.. godd damm why does everyone make a big deal about every little thing
daniel30765 1 year ago
Google is being evil, they should ALWAYS lean toward the user's video staying up when there is ambiguity that requires further (human) review. Very disappointing to hear that this is the path they are taking
bernlin2000 1 year ago
Why don't they just say "fuck you, we don't like being sued, lets move our servers to the middle of the ocean." But *no*.
Houshalter 1 year ago
yes, and yes
Hardryv 1 year ago
Whats to stop people from flagging everything basically shutting youtube down?
matchu4444 1 year ago
In short, I think we are fucked Allen. People like bullshit and money not truth and justice. Welcome to America, land of the free.
Eruptide 1 year ago
MOST RECENT RULING (June 2010): "Judge Sides with Google/YouTube in Viacom's $1 Billion Lawsuit"
KarmicOmen 1 year ago
"In the nation’s first such ruling, federal judge Jeremy Fogel ordered that copyright owners must consider fair use before sending takedown notices to online video-sharing sites"
GOOGLE THIS: Fair Use Digital Millennium Copyright Act, Case 5:07-cv-03783-JF Stephanie Lenz vs Universal Music Group
CASE NOTES (someone fought back): Feb. 2007 Stephanie Lenz filmed her kids dancing to “Let’s Go Crazy” by Prince in the background; Per UMG, YouTube pulled the video from its website.
KarmicOmen 1 year ago
I haven't gotten caught yet.
eathenicus 1 year ago
This is horrible.
One popular youtuber, chuggaaconroy, was suspended recently because trolls made false DMCA claims against his videos. One of these claims was that the troll owned chuggaaconroy's voice.
We need to put a stop to this
RobotKing27 1 year ago
@RobotKing27 Hey, I know what to do: everyone make claims of DMCA violation on every conservative video you see. Let's get the lying bastards yanked using this fucked system to do it. Why the hell not?
Eruptide 1 year ago
@Eruptide making false claims.. sounds illegal. lol
rangergxi 1 year ago
Using an AC/DC song (or any other copyrighted song) in a video that I make and post to TouTube, or posting a movie in 10 minute segments, can NOT be considered to be "Fair Use", because such is not for MY PERSONAL USE, but rather for PUBLIC USE.
Remember, "redistribution", EVEN WITHOUT MONETARY GAIN, is what copyrights bar.
So if you use copyrighted material for non-personal use, you need to ask yourself,
Do I have permission, IN WRITING, from the copyright owner?
bookworm1960 1 year ago
Youtube favors Viacom and other major media corporations. It's users mean nothing to them or we'd be innocent until proven guilty.
arielrel 1 year ago
The YouTube Copyrighter/President should resign
Zirocket 1 year ago
"its very difficult..." she kept starting her sentences that way, it kinda pissed me off. its like they are saying "that would be too hard...i dont wanna!"
we know its difficult, that isnt the question, its can you DO it! we are looking for answers not excuses. come straight out and say "its not worth our time" or "we dont really care about it that much" dont give this pussyfooting around about "oh its very difficult"
tuseroni 1 year ago
Yeah, I agree 100 with your very last comment. I was about to actually post those same words. It seemed like he was just shoveling shit at everyone. Honestly they could keep videos up until it was proven to be a violation. Youtube has no reason not to. Just lame excuses. How sad, the only way things will change is if it back fires on them somehow.
Mglosk 1 year ago
Moron claims that a human being cannot look at a video and look whether or not it is appropriate for the site. BUT human people can write programs that will do exactly that.
Thing is, hiring people to watch all those video's will cost them a lot of money.
GBXS 1 year ago
Fuckers... where is googles do no evil?...
morphles 1 year ago
The lady talks about balancing between Youtube users and big content
But they go out of their way to help the 4 big content owners, and dont help users against bogus DMCA notices.
I think it is a pity that youtube, that is really a powerful entity on the web, doesnt use that power more for the benefit of its userbase. For instance, if an artist decides to track or monetize certain content, he can still choose to sue someone after a year orso and hits have started to go down
janusanus 1 year ago
why the hell have 11 ppl disliked this video? Seriously?
binx2629 1 year ago 2
@binx2629 Google staff....
Split539 1 year ago 3
but shakin is fine but no porn
seglermichael 1 year ago
so they're basically going to remove anything that is claimed as copyright violation? .......................i'll remember this next time i see a video i dont like....
Raxarax 1 year ago 3
@Raxarax just make a fake account, dmca 3 videos and boom, they're gone.
FroggerbobT 1 year ago
@FroggerbobT and this is what fked 3 of my fav subscriptions. of course all 3 were lets plays.
askmiller 1 year ago
@Raxarax That unfortunately is taken advantage of all too often
Split539 1 year ago
It's tricky to spot fair use? It isn't tricky at all.
nurikosguardian 1 year ago
YouTube is not responsible for going after DMCA abusers. The victims are responsible for that.
jessemaurais 1 year ago
i agree with you on the dmca issue and i disagree with you tube on there behavior with fair use
The0riginking 1 year ago
For the first question, definitively yes, and for the second one, they seem to be too lazy to even bother on creating a system where human beings can actually look at a video instead of relying completely on a machine.
uzimachi1 1 year ago
I can see it in their eyes!!11
ilikeps2s 1 year ago
Yes I would.
JonBall44 1 year ago
Youtube is a private organization. They can censor whatever they want. It is not a matter of free speech. You do not have any right to post on youtube. If you don't like youtube's policies go somewhere else. So youtube is the best media outlet, TO BAD!
aarondavid826 1 year ago
@aarondavid826 You are a funny person, like a clown. Youtube violates their own terms known as TOS. If you claim to be free then be so. Dont violate your own terms and claim free speech.
robertangel30 1 year ago 3
@robertangel30 uh whatever you say, Youtube can censor whatever they want, and you have no right to post videos on youtube period
aarondavid826 1 year ago
youtube provides a free mass media to everyone who wishes to use it. Users need to get over themselves, youtube can do whatever it wants to do, don't like use another website. No one has the "right" to have a voice on a mass media outlet.
aarondavid826 1 year ago
I don't think they seemed to be against fair use...most of this seems kinda selfish and whinny "it takes thirty days to get videos put back up".. Big deal Google is trying to offer us this great site for FREE but they don't want to get sued and there is nothing wrong with waiting 30 on for a vid to get put back up if it prevents Google from getting sued and keeps the WHOLE site up... RIGHT?
The only good point you made was that they give out personal info on false dmca's Thats not cool
midgety1 1 year ago
Hell yeah I would support that, I've been asking for something like this for a year now.
And yes, those youtube people were terrible, WE are the reason they are up and running.... if people stopped uploading videos, youtube would cease to exist, simple as that.
I would love to move to a competitor of youtube, but I don't know of any that are any better.
squirreljester2 1 year ago
We seriously need a new platform for media; TV replaced radio, Internet is on the brink of replacing TV, and if this continues and censorship gets to continue like this - we'll require a new platform to replace the Internet in 5+ years.
And this will continue until censorship ends and people can relax.
LiBlub1 1 year ago
YouTube isn't the government. Free Speech is a right we are (supposed to be) guaranteed by the government (as in, you can't be prosecuted for free speech including fair use). No where does it say a corporation needs to support our right to free speech and/or amplify our messages in any way. It's funny that people seem to think they should; Google's actions are those that stand to benefit them most, which doesn't include fair use or free speech for anyone but Google.
TritonAlias 1 year ago
An intelligent human can't look at something and say "this is wholesale theft of content"? Really? Apparently YouTube's employees are not intelligent humans.
Zarggg 1 year ago 2
YouTube is a broken, corrupted piece of shit website that's dying. Hell, it's already dead. People are so sick of their bullshit, they are leaving to create their own site. It's now no longer safe to EVER put up a video, because if some troll, who either has a grudge against you, or just thinks it's funny, can flag your video, and it WILL get taken down, along with your account. And youtube doesn't give a fuck. I'll probably never upload anything for that very reason. Fuck YouTube.
newgoblin36 1 year ago 5
@newgoblin36 totally agree!
mjkj198 1 year ago
Q1-yes
Q2-yes
BaneOfFreeSpeech 1 year ago
Basically its like this
1. Youtube wont do anything to stop false DMCA notices.
2. You are guilty until proven innocent.
3. Youtube doesnt care about fair use.
4. Youtube will take your videos down on a whim.
5. Youtube doesn't really care about its users rights, or personal information.
AnotherNutJob 1 year ago 96
@AnotherNutJob Yea, thats exactly it
psychokilla6669 1 year ago
@AnotherNutJob I fully agree with you! That's why I only refer to Youtube now as 'THEMTUBE'! It's no longer about 'Us'. It's only about 'Them'. ;-)
OneLogicalAtheist 1 year ago
@AnotherNutJob Explain how I still haven't gotten my videos removed, I've uploaded scenes from a film that's currently in theaters.
eathenicus 1 year ago
@eathenicus If you use copywritten material under fair use then your videos shouldnt be removed. But that doesnt stop people from flase flagging and false DMCA complaints.
AnotherNutJob 1 year ago
@AnotherNutJob Did you take a look at my videos? Dude, I'm not doing this for fair use.
eathenicus 1 year ago
Im sure they care.. We dont have to pay to use youtube...
They dont like being sued...
rangergxi 1 year ago
@AnotherNutJob ...
wow!!! it's like you read my mind
BuzzCoastin22 1 year ago
@AnotherNutJob Exactly, well said! It's insanely not fair to accept a DMCA accusation by anyone without evidence and taking that video down. Also, it is insanely unfair that this person doesn't have to reveal himself/herself even though the accused *must* when he/she appeals the accusation.
Neurolanis 1 year ago
@AnotherNutJob I think the whole thing can be summed up in just this "You are guilty until proven innocent."
startreking2007 1 year ago
@AnotherNutJob I think that's true, or at least it was when this meeting took place, but they DO care about their bottom line. I figure if word gets out that people are not getting reinstated after a false DMCA claim, it would really hurt their business. People would leave in droves. Some other video hosting web site would see the great attraction of offering a service which protects users to a much better degree.
YT must be considering this.
Astrobrant2 10 months ago
Pretty much yes on all counts.
solinoure 1 year ago
of curse I will help and Im in mexico... and the youtube's posittion on fair use is still regardless of what the representatives may say is of latting users mostly unprotected, so i like to say isnt it better to have both the computer and a human element cheking take down notice and copyright claims before taking anithing down? will note the cordinated use of those elements reduce the false claimes in both sides? I think liberlaveiwer as a politician... is great lawyer and a political analist
Thebabysealpoacher 1 year ago
Listen to the answer regarding the false dmca abuse
What kind of crap is that?
twinkledryad 1 year ago
Yes.
DallusDaPwnage 1 year ago
Simple solution. Have any video flagged by the automatic system given a short period where there is a flag on it reporting that it has been tagged as copyright infringement and at the end of that period it will be taken down. Have a "Dispute / claim fair use" button. You press it, and that flags the video. A Youtube editor THEN gets the automatic system forward them a splitscreen view of the user's video and the copyrighted video it recognised it as matching. The editor then makes the decision.
sunyavadin 1 year ago
Further to my suggestion - I would also point out that the company I work for have two or three people who handle this sort of claim every day, dealing with a customer base in the hundreds of thousands. It would not require that youtube employ more than a handful of people to handle these claims. Usually you could determine fair use in a matter of seconds.
sunyavadin 1 year ago
dont you love liars
wowwooter 1 year ago
Ultimately, Youtube's job is to protect themselves first. You're never going to get them into a position where they will expose themselves in favor of the free speech of their users, so their attitude toward Fair Use is certainly one of mere tolerance. Be thankful they've done what they can to allow a redress for those who feel they've been unfairly targetted for takedown. The Youtube representative did seem receptive to some of the DMCA Abuse stuff at the end, though.
Leedark3 1 year ago
Their actions become no different than causing damage to reputation by acting on an unsubstantiated rumor. Worse, they act by delivering personal information, without even being able to identify to whom they delivered it.
If this happened at a bank, they would have been put against a wall by now.
DeathofSpeech 1 year ago
It also appears to me, that if YouTube allows online DMCA claim, and fails to verify the identity of the claimant, then YouTube, by distributing personal info to an anonymous person by unverified assertion of identity is in violation of TPA (1996) concerning the protection of user personal information.
Since anonymous legal filing is invalid, YouTube shares liability with the claimant in the accusation of the channel holder as presumed guilty of a criminal act.
DeathofSpeech 1 year ago 2
I now know your name and what you look like. Only cuz you have a point. Good for u LV.
grayziehobbes 1 year ago
@grayziehobbes
ahhh not just a point, but a point over which I'm irrationally disposed to violence...
or a point I've misinterpreted to be an invitation to unwanted personal attention.
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StalkerTube
MilitantFundyTube
DeathofSpeech 1 year ago
In addition, the majority of marginal claims in which one user parodies another posting, it isn't a matter of fair use, it is a matter of explicit license granted under the terms of YT's own ToU. They are taking down licensed derivative works and that appears to violate the language of the DMCA itself, with YT as the infringing party.
If their matching software can filter postings, then it can recognize preexisting postings and the proportion of unmodified content used.
DeathofSpeech 1 year ago
The cause of the abuse is not simply valid or even mistaken claims. The primary cause is lack of accountability. Positive identification of the claimant would prevent most and hold accountable those who abuse it for reasons other than marginally valid claim.
...without confirming the claimant identity, the claim is invalid on its face. Relaying personal counterclaim info to anonymous claimant becomes an inexcusable security vulnerability.
DeathofSpeech 1 year ago
A HUMAN BEING!!??? We will have to pay that human and give them insurance .........
rich2rock 1 year ago
I tried get the "clearance" once for a song as fair use. After 2 months worth of emails I finally got the "clearance" from the copyright holders that my video was fair use. By that point, the joke I was making in the video and the music had lost it's use to me and I basically wrote back and told the copyright holders thanks but go screw yourself for making it this hard to get approval.
MorioKun1 1 year ago
The level of inaction and lack of transperancy on the part of Youtube, even in the face of there being discontent around for ccoming on two years now, is simply in my opinion, inexcusable.
They may have their reasons for doing things the way they did, but they were so inactive and dismissive in the face of user complaints, while devoting a lot of time to pointless and trivial updates there weren't needed, and in some cases weren't wanted.
In my view this is way beyond a simple...
Wolfau5 1 year ago
@Wolfau5 ... "they explain the situation and we understand why things are this way" matter. Youtube is essentially broken, and I hold apathy, or in some cases active contempt for their users to be the main reason for this.
They don't care about fair use (as you raise), and are simply covering their asses because companies will sue but not individual users. Unfortunately for them, groups of users will leave because they are so frustrated with this policy.
Wolfau5 1 year ago
@Wolfau5
1. Depends on how it was handled, it sounds like it could either be very useful and effective, or essentially turn into kind of "legal vigelantism".
2. I watched the first 30min, and am not especially savvy in legal jargon, however I can tell you that for the last two years (as I raised before), their inaction has spoken volumes to their views on the matter. It is impossible that they were unaware of the sheer extent the system was being abused.
Wolfau5 1 year ago
What Glenn Brown needs to understand is that YouTube is not a professional site, you do not need to get the rights that already exist.
jmo1link 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
This is why we call it jewtube.
dirtyboy830 1 year ago
A friend used a Led Zeppelin tune for her live dance show in a video and it was taken down, what is it now... people can't use any tunes anymore? I don't get it... and the saddest part is that thousands of other people used that same song in videos, I can't understand why the double standards...
YUbinVlog 1 year ago
where's kim jong il when you need him.
vinsong 1 year ago
I agree. YouTube should really fix the DMCA and false flagging problem.
But LiberalViewer, just calm down. They'd be more responsive if you just chillout.
TruthfulChristian2 1 year ago
Horrible answers by those two. I have no personal issue with this problem being raised but their answers were just so arrogantly dismissive.
DrJoshMc 1 year ago
The only issue with getting a government agency to have a mechanism in place for DMCA abuse is that people will abuse that too. It can be difficult enough to deal with a false DMCA charge, imagine dealing with a false charge that gets the DOJ on your back.
But, very nice vid. One thing I do know is change is needed. I think the presumption against video makers for the take down needs to be reversed. The copyright holders have the resources, let them choose the valid claims to go after.
TheTinySaint 1 year ago
@TheTinySaint Sound argument. YouTube was created by US. and personally. i have found more songs, that i eventually buy on iTunes. though you tube videos. IE. AMV's because it's free advertising. get it?
Icestormstudios 1 year ago
Summary "if people want to illegally and maliciously file DMCAs , have no fear, there will be no repercussions from youtube's side :) "
newexperiment 1 year ago
If someone uses DMCA against a video they don't have a claim on can that person be sued for violating the poster's civil liberty of free speech?
waterandafter 1 year ago
I would much rather have the Fair use board be part of YouTube and not the US Government. YouTube is creating the problem with "click to DMCA" take downs, they should be the place to solve this problem.
ScannerBrightly 1 year ago
Viacom's assault on Copyright has gotten Youtube scared to listen to it's Customers.. Rather they take a "Out of sight and out of mind" Approach.
I utterly agree a group to fight false DMCA's through Civil Liberty groups that have the resources to twist the arm of Youtube to get tough on False Flaggers needs to be implemented some how?
2DRonaldo 1 year ago
youtube is now a part of a major corporation, it has to answer to no one, when youtube first started, it was a free place for people to post their creative ideas, now, its a medium for marketing and fame...
the internet of 2010 is not the same as the internet of 1998....the Big boys(corporations) will milk it for profit....pure and simple...
fadiga69 1 year ago 35
@fadiga69
It really is just a money game to them. The question that is not asked is "how can we make youtube better?" but instead "how can we make youtube better at making money?" these days. I've always wondered, what good does literally spamming money do? While I discourage communism, at least put the money to HELP everyone else. When you make millions of dollars a year, why not live like a upper-middle class citizen and pay people to make vaccines? I just dont understand the greed.
VicariousExtrospect 1 year ago
@fadiga69 ...
when html 5 really kicks in
YouTube kicks out
then we can all have our YouTube without THEM
BuzzCoastin22 1 year ago
Youtube must fix the flagging system. I think chuggaaconroy got suspended because someone claimed copyright on hi sown voice >.>
catasplurge1000 1 year ago
Personally I view copyright as an abomination, a freak love child between modern technology and old out-dated property values.
If something can be replicated and distributed infinitely without it running out, that's a great thing that should be encouraged completely.
Information should never be allowed to become property.
But that's just me.
VolcanicPenguin 1 year ago 2
I would support it!
ferrjuan 1 year ago
Thank you for taking the time to confront youtube and their representatives on the matters of fair use and DMCA abuse. Their answers were poor and unsatisfying. I have not put videos up on youtube because of these reasons and their community standards guidelines. I am more than willing to watch videos here but my uploads go to vimeo.
brendhanhorne 1 year ago
And yes to both.
Begeru 1 year ago
LiberalViewer, have you been aware of CONJOPI? He's has false flagged and suspended A LOT of Youtubers, mainly Let's Players. Users like NintendoCapriSun and Chuggaaconroy that had over 10,000 subscribers and they didn't violate anything and yet he got them banned. He's also suspended a bunch of other users, and I don't know if anyone has done anything about it.
Begeru 1 year ago
@Begeru More like over 40,000 subscribers. NCS had almost 50,000. Chuggaa had over 120,000.
IsisStarlights 1 year ago
Thanks for fighting for the people, we can't thank you enough.
thernr 1 year ago
Interesting video. On the one hand, they did actually give you a good answer about why they couldn't just have a human being looking at the videos and judging whether or not they infringe copyright. On the other hand, this does show how broken the copyright system is with respect to modern technology.
EvilTube2007 1 year ago
My previous account was deleted bc I used fair use clips. I say bs.
ocelotecpatl 1 year ago
thanks for fighting for youtubers
dietsnapple89 1 year ago
HELL YES!!
Zombie1990 1 year ago
couldn't they implement some kind of system where you have to put in a credit card number and scan in your drivers licenses to make sure you are who you way you are? i think that would virtually eliminate dmcas overnight
Leadman1989 1 year ago
@Leadman1989 what? how? You're still not authorized to share it even if you bought it.
Tripp393 1 year ago
@Tripp393
no im talking about filing a dmca
the person filing it should have to prove who they are stopping the trolls and harassment
Leadman1989 1 year ago
Youtubes interest is with the corporations, in not getting sued, and in making money whilst spending as little as possible paying staff
the ideal scenario would be to set up a video site owned and run by users with a demoratically elected board but they have us by the balls cos all our content is on here
RevolutionaryJam 1 year ago
yes i would support that. Thank you for standing up for fair use and free speech.
drgoodvibesxxx 1 year ago
Yes i would. I'm sick of some of my favorite channels being at risk of being took down because of the videos being flaged.
maxmydog25 1 year ago
To me it seems as if YouTube's attitude towards Fair Use is very poor, as I stated a few times in the VidCon videos. It is very telling that they presume this conference will necessitate them to send a lawyer as backup to Victoria Grand. They obviously don't want her to get caught saying anything that might show an attitude which is more tolerant than is needed. I really get the feeling Mr. Brown is an apologist for a company who knows they are being unfair to their consumers.
IanBillings00 1 year ago
yes i would support it
awesome0733 1 year ago
Cool vid as always. But go check out that recent TED conference video where a youtube representative (Margaret Stewart) read from a teleprompter for 6 minutes about how great youtube and their automated copyright infringement detectors are. Totally Orwellian. And totally not fit for TED to do such a biased corporate plug.
I'd like to see you do a response to that video.... :)
TimTrimT 1 year ago
Yes - A DMCA victims help center is a great idea. Thanks for asking the questions for us.
kenrg 1 year ago 2
I am sorry to say, but I watched the entire debate and I felt that after that response you shuold have pressed the issue, and gotten him to answer the question. If I remember correctly there has been deaththreats and releasing personal information, which could be dangerous for the people making the videos. (like it was claimed when shawn against thunderfoot, and i belive coughlan666 made a vid where he said he got a deaththreat from a guy getting the info through DMCA abuse)
mrKreuzfeld 1 year ago 2
youtube are ass-clows.
moother888 1 year ago
whut?
DaBossk 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Innocent until proven guilty
lunda2222 1 year ago
First of all I would like to thank LiberalViewer for his time and expertise. Second I would like to thank YouTube for having these discussions. I think it is important to remember that YouTube is a free service and as such they control the content. They can take down ANYTHING they want for ANY and there is NOTHING you can do about it. That being said if they error on the side of covering their butts, I can't say I blame them, and I think they have been very accommodating for the users.
coolbean145 1 year ago
However, I do think they DMCA process needs to be reworked. It would be nice if the video could be left up during the process. No personal information should be provided until proof of a lawsuit could be provided. And there should be some form of punishment for filing false claims.
coolbean145 1 year ago
I did watch all 6 videos on here and they really did just kind of give the feeling of, "We have our system setup just the way we want it, and if you don't like it then stop using copyrighted material if it's fair use or not."
waffles497 1 year ago
I agree that the DMCA abuse should have real consequences. As for the other factor, I think it's more that Youtube doesn't want to have to be the defendant in a case that will set the precedent on where the limits of "fair use" lie. They've been involved in a lot of expensive court cases, and with the modern legal system, the case itself is the punishment, as even if the defendant is found "not guilty", they've already spent millions on legal costs. ...
nscangal 1 year ago