You use the same tired arguments that can be found anywhere, reality says that every fight goes to the ground at some point. Greg Thompson, H2H director and founder and my coach for 2 years teaches weapon retention and control on the ground to soldiers everyday
Please understand I don't mean any disrespect or anything about my earlier comment, I just know from actual fights that you don't want to be on the ground at all because the ground can be a deathtrap especially if your fighting someone bent on killing you , the ground grappling doesn't give consideration to someone pulling a knife or some other sort of weapon. If your using two hands to restrain someone's left or right arm , that in it's self can be a deathtrap for the Army H2H practioner.
Please understand I don't mean any disrespect or anything about my earlier comment, I just know from actual fights that you don't want to be on the ground at all because the ground can be a deathtrap especially if your fighting someone bent on killing you , the ground grappling doesn't give consideration to someone pulling a knife or some other sort of weapon. If your using two hands to restrain someone's left or right arm , that in it's self can be a deathtrap for the Army H2H practioner.
This type of self defense training will do nothing but put our U.S. soldiers in a dangerous situation, this type of techniques are not designed for the battlefield it is designed for sport end of story. If anyone thinks otherwise they are sadly mistaken. WWII Army Combatives blows this stuff out of the water, and no the WWII Combatives is not outdated, because what works will always work. There are just people that wanted a changed but change is not always better. Not the best way to deal in H2H
@madgtr1972 I still don't get how they are missing striking their eyes or throat. This is nos combatives, this is the input of sports inside the military to recruit children.
ugh this video is old. I was hoping It would refresh my memory for tmrw, since I'm in level-2 but some of these steps are way different from what I was taught today
@jgreystoke, the whole eye poking, groin grabbing thing can be done with BJJ also.
but you can't realisticly train full speed that way, there for one would be less likely to make those techniques work against an agressive resisting opponent who trains at full speed.
Doesn't anyone see that this is not combatives at all? Attacks against yes, throat, testicles would obviously be penalized. Useless for real violence. Since you fight as you train, God help them in a real fight.
@jgreystoke The goal of modern army combative, in its current state (it's constantly evolving from lessons learned in real world environments and current needs), is to train solders in the ability to grapple with a person in close proximity and achieve all sorts of locks, holds, and dominate positions. I'll get to the reason why later. At it's highest levels it MAC combines jiu-jitsu, boxing, and wrestling. Now the Army recognizes the dangers of training soldiers techniques brought from the
@jgreystoke civilian world, being that training in these arts might make them develop aspirations is continue to improve their skills and techniques for tournament type settings instead of combat conditions. Obviously, the Army has partly centered the program and combatives in general around this issue. At the company level, combative practice and tournaments are at basics levels. It's all on the ground with basic moves to achieve dominate positions and possible submissions from a dominate
@jgreystoke position (I still am getting to the reason for this stuff, hold on). Scoring is based on the dominate postions. Moving on up to battalion competitions, there might be more complex ground skills, along with maybe strikes to the body. Scoring based on again dominate positions and striking. Next would be brigade or army held tournaments which would look a lot more like something like the ufc.
There are very few soldiers the compete at this level and they are the soldiers who do it as a
@PVTstupid hobby after work with civilian trainers and such. So at company and battalion level soldiers are training to compete at basic and intermediate levels instead at high levels which are centered around fighting another highly trained person and not the sheep herder in Afghanistan. Ok now, current situations in Afghanistan and Iraq dictates why the Army is training on techniques like locks, holds, chokes, and position. Foes come in the form of civilians or civilian looking people across
@jgreystoke the room or next to you in the crowd, who, without you knowing previously, has a bomb weapon, etc hidden under their man skirt. Suddenly they attack but you somehow not in a position of use your weapon, maybe they're up against you. You're going to want to neutralize them by taking them to ground where you have a multitude of options. A choke can be used to kill him, a straight arm bar can be used to isolate a hand or to hold him until your battle buddy can come over and shoot his
@jgreystoke face off, etc, etc, etc, the list can go on and on. Another situation might if you're room clearing and you round a corner. Suddenly you're grabbed or maybe your weapon is grabbed and you cant shoot the dude. These examples can go on and on. Remember you have battle buddies next to you and around you, the very least you need to do is get in a good position until your battle comes up and helps. In the very earliest stages of army combative they had things like testicle grabs and pulls
@jgreystoke and all sorts of crazy junk that was pretty much comical. Things were either good in idea or thought, but not ideal for training or practicality. You can't practice that crap with your buddies. It's not realistic. At lot of stuff they teach nowadays is extremely useful, they use real accounts of hand to combat in current theaters to learn what is good or not. Heck some of the newest stuff that's just started trickling down to units is arm holds into take downs that end in zip cuffs
@jgreystoke restraining the arms around the back. Oh and I also want to add when it comes to knives, you are just as likely to get stabbed by your own knife as the person you're fighting. They army has shied away from knives/bayonets in general.
@PVTstupid My criticism still stands. Anyone who sees themselves in EITHER position in the above vid, and does not immediately think "eyes, throat, testicles" is not going to win a real fight, ie the other guy is out to kill or cripple you(even he's smaller and weaker). The Marine LINE was deemed too aggressive, because it typically ended in the death of the opponent. Not a problem. If you want to interrogate the guy, then stomp on his collar-bones instead of his temple/throat.
can you upload the other level 2 videos ,parts2 plz
chavini 2 weeks ago
@madgtr1972
You use the same tired arguments that can be found anywhere, reality says that every fight goes to the ground at some point. Greg Thompson, H2H director and founder and my coach for 2 years teaches weapon retention and control on the ground to soldiers everyday
lsloewen2 3 months ago
I apologize for the repost.
madgtr1972 7 months ago
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Please understand I don't mean any disrespect or anything about my earlier comment, I just know from actual fights that you don't want to be on the ground at all because the ground can be a deathtrap especially if your fighting someone bent on killing you , the ground grappling doesn't give consideration to someone pulling a knife or some other sort of weapon. If your using two hands to restrain someone's left or right arm , that in it's self can be a deathtrap for the Army H2H practioner.
madgtr1972 7 months ago
Please understand I don't mean any disrespect or anything about my earlier comment, I just know from actual fights that you don't want to be on the ground at all because the ground can be a deathtrap especially if your fighting someone bent on killing you , the ground grappling doesn't give consideration to someone pulling a knife or some other sort of weapon. If your using two hands to restrain someone's left or right arm , that in it's self can be a deathtrap for the Army H2H practioner.
madgtr1972 7 months ago
This type of self defense training will do nothing but put our U.S. soldiers in a dangerous situation, this type of techniques are not designed for the battlefield it is designed for sport end of story. If anyone thinks otherwise they are sadly mistaken. WWII Army Combatives blows this stuff out of the water, and no the WWII Combatives is not outdated, because what works will always work. There are just people that wanted a changed but change is not always better. Not the best way to deal in H2H
madgtr1972 7 months ago 2
@madgtr1972 I still don't get how they are missing striking their eyes or throat. This is nos combatives, this is the input of sports inside the military to recruit children.
nestornegron 7 months ago
ugh this video is old. I was hoping It would refresh my memory for tmrw, since I'm in level-2 but some of these steps are way different from what I was taught today
JazmineInjection 11 months ago
@jgreystoke, the whole eye poking, groin grabbing thing can be done with BJJ also.
but you can't realisticly train full speed that way, there for one would be less likely to make those techniques work against an agressive resisting opponent who trains at full speed.
0713mas 1 year ago
Doesn't anyone see that this is not combatives at all? Attacks against yes, throat, testicles would obviously be penalized. Useless for real violence. Since you fight as you train, God help them in a real fight.
jgreystoke 1 year ago
@jgreystoke The goal of modern army combative, in its current state (it's constantly evolving from lessons learned in real world environments and current needs), is to train solders in the ability to grapple with a person in close proximity and achieve all sorts of locks, holds, and dominate positions. I'll get to the reason why later. At it's highest levels it MAC combines jiu-jitsu, boxing, and wrestling. Now the Army recognizes the dangers of training soldiers techniques brought from the
PVTstupid 1 year ago
@jgreystoke civilian world, being that training in these arts might make them develop aspirations is continue to improve their skills and techniques for tournament type settings instead of combat conditions. Obviously, the Army has partly centered the program and combatives in general around this issue. At the company level, combative practice and tournaments are at basics levels. It's all on the ground with basic moves to achieve dominate positions and possible submissions from a dominate
PVTstupid 1 year ago
@jgreystoke position (I still am getting to the reason for this stuff, hold on). Scoring is based on the dominate postions. Moving on up to battalion competitions, there might be more complex ground skills, along with maybe strikes to the body. Scoring based on again dominate positions and striking. Next would be brigade or army held tournaments which would look a lot more like something like the ufc.
There are very few soldiers the compete at this level and they are the soldiers who do it as a
PVTstupid 1 year ago
@PVTstupid hobby after work with civilian trainers and such. So at company and battalion level soldiers are training to compete at basic and intermediate levels instead at high levels which are centered around fighting another highly trained person and not the sheep herder in Afghanistan. Ok now, current situations in Afghanistan and Iraq dictates why the Army is training on techniques like locks, holds, chokes, and position. Foes come in the form of civilians or civilian looking people across
PVTstupid 1 year ago
@jgreystoke the room or next to you in the crowd, who, without you knowing previously, has a bomb weapon, etc hidden under their man skirt. Suddenly they attack but you somehow not in a position of use your weapon, maybe they're up against you. You're going to want to neutralize them by taking them to ground where you have a multitude of options. A choke can be used to kill him, a straight arm bar can be used to isolate a hand or to hold him until your battle buddy can come over and shoot his
PVTstupid 1 year ago
@jgreystoke face off, etc, etc, etc, the list can go on and on. Another situation might if you're room clearing and you round a corner. Suddenly you're grabbed or maybe your weapon is grabbed and you cant shoot the dude. These examples can go on and on. Remember you have battle buddies next to you and around you, the very least you need to do is get in a good position until your battle comes up and helps. In the very earliest stages of army combative they had things like testicle grabs and pulls
PVTstupid 1 year ago
@jgreystoke and all sorts of crazy junk that was pretty much comical. Things were either good in idea or thought, but not ideal for training or practicality. You can't practice that crap with your buddies. It's not realistic. At lot of stuff they teach nowadays is extremely useful, they use real accounts of hand to combat in current theaters to learn what is good or not. Heck some of the newest stuff that's just started trickling down to units is arm holds into take downs that end in zip cuffs
PVTstupid 1 year ago
@jgreystoke restraining the arms around the back. Oh and I also want to add when it comes to knives, you are just as likely to get stabbed by your own knife as the person you're fighting. They army has shied away from knives/bayonets in general.
PVTstupid 1 year ago
@PVTstupid My criticism still stands. Anyone who sees themselves in EITHER position in the above vid, and does not immediately think "eyes, throat, testicles" is not going to win a real fight, ie the other guy is out to kill or cripple you(even he's smaller and weaker). The Marine LINE was deemed too aggressive, because it typically ended in the death of the opponent. Not a problem. If you want to interrogate the guy, then stomp on his collar-bones instead of his temple/throat.
jgreystoke 1 year ago
@jgreystoke I mis-typed. Should read "EYES, throat, testicles"!
jgreystoke 1 year ago
nice job. i missed this training and have to take it soon.but now i know what to expect.thnx alot.
zacharypedersen 2 years ago
good job man, post more!
muffins247 2 years ago
I haven't looked through all of the level two videos. I believe the real stand up instructions happen in level 3.
bluecord11b 2 years ago
Very nice just watched that this morning. keep up these videos their great are they all ground fighting thou? or have they got any other types
WorldFrontlineMedia 2 years ago