they where right in front of my house filming that i remeber i cudnt sleep with them makin all the blow upy noise but its cool i was there bethlehem rocks!!!! 18015 southside!!!!
i member this i live right acroos the street from where they where shooting in a part of the movie they catch the street i was on lolz it was awsomw bethlehem all day !!!18015
They really didnt block off the area around the set. I live in the area as well. Was awesome seeing Optimus driving down the highway when I was walking out of work before heading over there.
@ andrewks95: Don't be a fucking moron; they're not saying this is by the producer, this is done by someone who was standing out side of it and saw it. I mean, come on, it's like going to a concert and recording it on a camera - they're not going to put it on TV and say "Oh, this was done by the production company!" Fucking retard.
your comment is completely irrelevant to what I wrote, I was replying to someone else's comment, don't be a fucking moron and comment without understanding.
I have to wonder how they direct the people in the helicoptors to go right where they want them to... do they just radio them like "ok....now fly over to the left a little bit..." XD
im so sorryz guyz will find a bloody body in your closet hanging there haunting you and will kill you and ur family and if u want to stop this just sends this to 6 videos in 30 mins or this will happen good luck hate these!!!!!!!!
yea i live in cherry hill NJ, my dad lives in PA and both of us still didnt know to recently that part of transformers 2 was tapped in PA, i wish we did we coulda maybe drove up to see it
DONT STOP OR ELSE SOMETHING BAD WILL HAPPEN MY NAME IS JENNY I AM 7 WITH RED HAIR MY MOTHER BEATS ME I LIVE IN A CELL WITH NO WINDOWS DOORS AND NO LIGHT I HAVE RED SCARY EYES AND IHAVE NO NOSE OR EARS I AM DEAD IF YOU DONT SEND THIS TO 15PPL B4 U GO TO BED I WILL APPEAR 2NIGHT WITH A KNIFE AND KILL U THIS IS NO JOKE SOMETHING GOOD WILL HAPPEN TO U AT 10:22 SOMEONE WILL CALL YOU OR TALK TO YOU ONLINE AND SAY I LOVE YOU OR ASK YOU OUT BUT HERES THE CATCH Send To 15 vids
We controle them with our money. they provide good films or they provide shit like mr.bay that says ...hey f u i dont care what u grew up on ima make what ilike... f that give ur money to another thing or movie dont see transformers 2 .
I was talking about Orkomagic blabbering on about nonsense no one wants to read about. The behind the scenes of the movie is actually entertaining and worth watching if you're a fan of the upcoming movie. Don't have a stroke. :)
jobs come from people starting businesses. This film allows the theatres to hire many workers. Also, thousands are involved in making the vehicles, computer animation, serving lunches, making sets, cameras, renting equipment, etc. Thousands of jobs are created by doing this, all funded by our $10 tickets. So if you watch it you are supporting jobs for both the poor and middle class. If no one made movies, think of all the jobs that would vanish.
Because the poor people will waste the money and be poor again. If I gave 100,000 dollars to a poor person, a middle class person, and a rich person the poor person will have $0 at the end of the year, the middle class person will probably have $25,000 left, and the rich person will turn it into $700,000. How rich you become depends on mindset, and their associated actions. So I'd rather the money be spent on Transformers so I can watch it.
I know quite a few "rich" people, including my current and past bosses. They've stolen nothing from anyone; they do work and solve problems for which people pay them for. I invest in multi-family housing and provide apartments for people, and upgrade them. Some rich people like a few of the bank CEO's stole money, but they should be in jail. There's plenty of money out there; you don't need to steal money to get rich.
ok let me explain a little better 1100 bucks for an apartment a month is a fucking rip off too fucking much. it is nothing but free money for people like you money you may have some what earned but for the love of god i can own a home for that yet banks wont allow it because some of us that give a shit and try to make a real living get shit on so we are stuck getting anal raped by apartment owners. we as consumers gain nothing while owners like your self steal our hard earned money.
The cashflow on my apt. bldg. looks like this: I pay the mortgage on the building, property tax, insurance, landscaping, site electricity, water & sewer, property manager, & general repairs which leaves me with $125 per unit per month. We use all of that to replace the decks, and do remodel work to replace old tubs & showers, etc. Your rent is market rate, if it wasn't then you would move. If you got a house, your mortgage would be at least 1200 if not more. I don't steal rent.
well i guess i appologize for sounding so harsh and all toward you. its just things cost too damn much anymore. wow i never actualy broke it down like that. see the places i have rented from we had to pay all the power all the units are devided up to cover for what the halways and all that use. we had to pay sewer and water. they have also gone so far as to try and make us pay for there general repairs saying it had to be our fault this or that had wore out. i understand some things but not all.
they went so far as to break stuff after we left to make us pay to replace them. damn good thing i took pictures and a short video after we cleaned it all up. they had a bill ready for us in court over 6 g's man saying the carpets and all were bad even though state law says they replace them every 4 yrs here. we were there for 5. just a bunch of bs. i didnt mean to single you out and say it is you doing all this man. some people do care and they do provide. :)
Hey thanks 4 the reply; yeah there are some bastard landlords out there. But I find that I can make more money by improving the building then sell it 5-10 years later in good condition. By keeping the rents at market, and treating tenants good, they stay and I have close to 100% occupancy. I met some landlords in LA that take advantage of the rent control and use evictions to get more money. So there's good and bad. I'm glad you fought that owner; they make life difficult for other owners.
you dont have to thank me im a realistic person lol. yeah some people are just plain greedy. it does make me feel that much better to know that there are still some people that actualy cares.right now lol i am in a trailer park figured it was cheap living.well again i have to fight with the land lord. i think its just this state lol but there is just no respect for the paying people out here. some of us have different rules it seems like.especialy if you work for them you get away with anything
Someone said that they shouldn't be spending money on making Transformers2 in this economy because there are so many poor people. I just pointed out that this effort produces thousands of jobs so people can eat.
well if you read the title you fucking cock sucking douche bag, you'd see that its the filming of the movie. Your a fucking retard, shut the fuck up and go be a gaylord somewhere else.
p.s. fuck your whore mother in her fat pickle dick mouth
dumbass i don't give a fuck who the fuck said what, fuck your mouth with my cock you stupid fuckin cream filled donut. blah blah.. oooh he's arguing about the economy... SUCK MY SWEATY BALLS YOU FUCKIN FAGGOT, SHUT YOUR CUM STAINED MOUTH YA FUCKIN DOUCHE BAG
After returning to Cybertron, Starscream assumes command of the Decepticons, and has decided to return to Earth with force. The Autobots believing that peace was possible finds out that Megatron's dead body has been stolen from the US Military by Skorpinox and revives him using his own spark. Now Megatron is back seeking revenge and with Starscream and more Decepticon reinforcements on the way, the Autobots with reinforcements of their own, may have more to deal with then meets the eye.
not 2 many people kno about this...if this is said 2 be set in japan, maybe there will be some freakin sick japanese robots!! lol (did starscream come back from space and land in japan 2 get some more decepticons?)
Nope, i used to post random crap there.. after you post, it shows after after a little bit, then gets a flag link for verification by other users who frequent the site. search for random things.. once in a while you'll get a page that needs a varification link. all you got to do is click it and thats that.. which is why wiki is still 100% unreliable.
Yea its very easy to get the wrong info off that site. altho im sure alot of info is actually dead on. but the way the site is set up as far as the verification links.. maybe they should hire ppl to sit in a room and do research on ppls posts to make sure they are accurate, rather then leaving it up to the users lol.
i heard that this is going to be the opening scene for T2, supposedly a setting in japan, but filmed here in the states. i cant wait til someone actually posts some new pics vids of the transformers!
Great shots. Def not fake.Big deal to us in Bethlehem.Youd be talking bout it if it was in your town.Guess he didnt wait up till 3am to capture the explosions.tues & weds. Overall great video compare to mines.
Wow my video quality sucks compared to this one of the helicopters... but I only uploaded video from My digital camera and not my video camera. Some nice shots. thanks for sharing. Its cool to have this in our City.
i live in bethlehem hehe
cassiebieber1231 6 months ago
i live kinda near there what the fuck
phillyphan24 7 months ago
they where right in front of my house filming that i remeber i cudnt sleep with them makin all the blow upy noise but its cool i was there bethlehem rocks!!!! 18015 southside!!!!
adaralynn14 1 year ago
@adaralynn14 omg ikr
cassiebieber1231 6 months ago
i member this i live right acroos the street from where they where shooting in a part of the movie they catch the street i was on lolz it was awsomw bethlehem all day !!!18015
adaralynn14 1 year ago
I guess this scene is the Shanghai sequence of Transformers 2?
brockpierce1984 2 years ago
@brockpierce1984 yes it is! this happened not far from where i live! and i didnt get the memo! :( I never do! wahh!
MandyYTchannel 1 year ago
what now i live in bethlehem mothas!
darkhatzz34 2 years ago
ok nice but i thoud the transformers (the machines) computer animated are but are they real?
hakxtrahard 2 years ago
oke
aries280490 2 years ago
they are not real
eagc7 2 years ago
nice but how u can come so close at the set of t2?
hakxtrahard 2 years ago
They really didnt block off the area around the set. I live in the area as well. Was awesome seeing Optimus driving down the highway when I was walking out of work before heading over there.
rizyu 2 years ago
cause he's ninja!
jericho447 2 years ago
you don't see they because the helicopters have the cameras
Glukoseoxidase 2 years ago
your the dumbass.And ya i just see helicopters too.You never saw helicopters?just in this movie?lol. Go outside then you see the world :P
LegendGT 2 years ago
mejor no subas nada idiota.... no es TF2
ztrzcrm5493 2 years ago 2
i just seen the helicopters...
hardadi 2 years ago 4
SONG.?
jastrzab09 2 years ago 2
That is the song Pretender from The Foo Fighters.
IchbinderSam 2 years ago 2
maybe its hulk :P
LegendGT 2 years ago 2
no this is all legit i live here and i was there for all the days
Striker504 2 years ago
who will know that is from transformers 2?i say is not.Fake!
LegendGT 2 years ago
whats the point in watching it then? and why comment lol.. its obviously from the movie so stfu
PenguinBoy92 2 years ago
so how do you get footage of all these helicopters?
and all in a scene visible in the trailers?
you can't edit this crappy quality video so helicopters and a realistic backdrop exists.
andrewks95 2 years ago
@ andrewks95: Don't be a fucking moron; they're not saying this is by the producer, this is done by someone who was standing out side of it and saw it. I mean, come on, it's like going to a concert and recording it on a camera - they're not going to put it on TV and say "Oh, this was done by the production company!" Fucking retard.
nandee1fuery 2 years ago
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andrewks95 2 years ago
@nandee1fuery
your comment is completely irrelevant to what I wrote, I was replying to someone else's comment, don't be a fucking moron and comment without understanding.
I'm the fucking retard eh?
andrewks95 2 years ago
Fuck you. I live in PA and I recognize the Bethlehem Steel towers. Fake? More like you're an dumbass.
Starwind18020 2 years ago
not fake
edupoke 2 years ago
I have to wonder how they direct the people in the helicoptors to go right where they want them to... do they just radio them like "ok....now fly over to the left a little bit..." XD
Hybridyuki 2 years ago
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Pretty much yeah.
RYANCHAOS 2 years ago
they rehears the scene before they shoot
cooldude2410 2 years ago
thats the scene with demolishor
spiderskater3 2 years ago
LOL!!
jonte197 2 years ago
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im so sorryz guyz will find a bloody body in your closet hanging there haunting you and will kill you and ur family and if u want to stop this just sends this to 6 videos in 30 mins or this will happen good luck hate these!!!!!!!!
samwhitwickey1990 2 years ago
are you sure this is the set??? ITS JUST A BUNCH OF GAY HELECOPS going around! godamn
cooldude3010 2 years ago 3
it is the set becuese its where that big black wheel monster attacks the helicopters!
simpsonsmann94 2 years ago 2
omgggggg. i was thereeee
XOsmartcheerleaderXO 2 years ago
yeah what is the songs name
aaronthesplazer 2 years ago
Foo Fighters -The Pretender
przemek250388 2 years ago 2
what a music name??? btw sory gor my english ;-*(
Michal1422 2 years ago
drove past this every day when the filming was going on on my way to work
ohsoawesome2526 2 years ago
i wish so bad i cuda went down to the southside to watch this.... only my nephew did though :(
c0dm45t3r 2 years ago
lol i live in pa
Shedinja47 2 years ago
yea i live in cherry hill NJ, my dad lives in PA and both of us still didnt know to recently that part of transformers 2 was tapped in PA, i wish we did we coulda maybe drove up to see it
biffnacid 2 years ago
what are u a fucking english teacher?? OMG it's the end of the world because I said 'bestest' ?? get over yourself.
prayingxforxxlove 2 years ago
Foo fighters the pretender good song
Fearlessfranek 2 years ago
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DONT STOP OR ELSE SOMETHING BAD WILL HAPPEN MY NAME IS JENNY I AM 7 WITH RED HAIR MY MOTHER BEATS ME I LIVE IN A CELL WITH NO WINDOWS DOORS AND NO LIGHT I HAVE RED SCARY EYES AND IHAVE NO NOSE OR EARS I AM DEAD IF YOU DONT SEND THIS TO 15PPL B4 U GO TO BED I WILL APPEAR 2NIGHT WITH A KNIFE AND KILL U THIS IS NO JOKE SOMETHING GOOD WILL HAPPEN TO U AT 10:22 SOMEONE WILL CALL YOU OR TALK TO YOU ONLINE AND SAY I LOVE YOU OR ASK YOU OUT BUT HERES THE CATCH Send To 15 vids
EnterTheEnd 2 years ago
We controle them with our money. they provide good films or they provide shit like mr.bay that says ...hey f u i dont care what u grew up on ima make what ilike... f that give ur money to another thing or movie dont see transformers 2 .
usodumbo1 2 years ago
I was talking about Orkomagic blabbering on about nonsense no one wants to read about. The behind the scenes of the movie is actually entertaining and worth watching if you're a fan of the upcoming movie. Don't have a stroke. :)
ro332 2 years ago
i dont give a fuck about the bad economy this is gonna be the bestest movie everrrrrr! so fuck you
prayingxforxxlove 2 years ago 2
LOL!??
The BestEST?
You mean the best?
Fronoz 2 years ago
noble prize for you
didierlassus 2 years ago
its junk ... just some yeah lights and helicopters.....yea it suc*s
To1l3t 2 years ago
yo but if you look at this
then the extended trailer for the movie
then you would relize that thats the place where demolisher transforms and destroys those helicopters
so yea, they were filming it
not to be an ass, its jus to let u kno
303GDW 2 years ago
ur pretty smart dude..props
VL1016 2 years ago
i love transformers and i always have i cant wait till the 2nd comes out i bet its gonna be tight
texan429505 2 years ago
i wish they would man
mysubsbang 2 years ago
Sorry, but I would have had to find a way up that tree to get those shots. A good shot of the action would have been awesome... Screw legalities
prorodeocowgurl04 2 years ago 2
jobs come from people starting businesses. This film allows the theatres to hire many workers. Also, thousands are involved in making the vehicles, computer animation, serving lunches, making sets, cameras, renting equipment, etc. Thousands of jobs are created by doing this, all funded by our $10 tickets. So if you watch it you are supporting jobs for both the poor and middle class. If no one made movies, think of all the jobs that would vanish.
Orkomagic 3 years ago
Yeah :), people get entertained and people get money. It's a win win.
AttackOFTHEPIE 2 years ago
Because the poor people will waste the money and be poor again. If I gave 100,000 dollars to a poor person, a middle class person, and a rich person the poor person will have $0 at the end of the year, the middle class person will probably have $25,000 left, and the rich person will turn it into $700,000. How rich you become depends on mindset, and their associated actions. So I'd rather the money be spent on Transformers so I can watch it.
Orkomagic 3 years ago 2
lmfao i agree
notfunnypsp 2 years ago
not realy the rich got rich by stealing from the poor in the first place.
mysubsbang 2 years ago
I know quite a few "rich" people, including my current and past bosses. They've stolen nothing from anyone; they do work and solve problems for which people pay them for. I invest in multi-family housing and provide apartments for people, and upgrade them. Some rich people like a few of the bank CEO's stole money, but they should be in jail. There's plenty of money out there; you don't need to steal money to get rich.
Orkomagic 2 years ago
ok let me explain a little better 1100 bucks for an apartment a month is a fucking rip off too fucking much. it is nothing but free money for people like you money you may have some what earned but for the love of god i can own a home for that yet banks wont allow it because some of us that give a shit and try to make a real living get shit on so we are stuck getting anal raped by apartment owners. we as consumers gain nothing while owners like your self steal our hard earned money.
mysubsbang 2 years ago
The cashflow on my apt. bldg. looks like this: I pay the mortgage on the building, property tax, insurance, landscaping, site electricity, water & sewer, property manager, & general repairs which leaves me with $125 per unit per month. We use all of that to replace the decks, and do remodel work to replace old tubs & showers, etc. Your rent is market rate, if it wasn't then you would move. If you got a house, your mortgage would be at least 1200 if not more. I don't steal rent.
Orkomagic 2 years ago
well i guess i appologize for sounding so harsh and all toward you. its just things cost too damn much anymore. wow i never actualy broke it down like that. see the places i have rented from we had to pay all the power all the units are devided up to cover for what the halways and all that use. we had to pay sewer and water. they have also gone so far as to try and make us pay for there general repairs saying it had to be our fault this or that had wore out. i understand some things but not all.
mysubsbang 2 years ago
they went so far as to break stuff after we left to make us pay to replace them. damn good thing i took pictures and a short video after we cleaned it all up. they had a bill ready for us in court over 6 g's man saying the carpets and all were bad even though state law says they replace them every 4 yrs here. we were there for 5. just a bunch of bs. i didnt mean to single you out and say it is you doing all this man. some people do care and they do provide. :)
mysubsbang 2 years ago
Hey thanks 4 the reply; yeah there are some bastard landlords out there. But I find that I can make more money by improving the building then sell it 5-10 years later in good condition. By keeping the rents at market, and treating tenants good, they stay and I have close to 100% occupancy. I met some landlords in LA that take advantage of the rent control and use evictions to get more money. So there's good and bad. I'm glad you fought that owner; they make life difficult for other owners.
Orkomagic 2 years ago
you dont have to thank me im a realistic person lol. yeah some people are just plain greedy. it does make me feel that much better to know that there are still some people that actualy cares.right now lol i am in a trailer park figured it was cheap living.well again i have to fight with the land lord. i think its just this state lol but there is just no respect for the paying people out here. some of us have different rules it seems like.especialy if you work for them you get away with anything
mysubsbang 2 years ago
What on earth does this have to do with TRANSFORMERS 2?
ro332 2 years ago
Someone said that they shouldn't be spending money on making Transformers2 in this economy because there are so many poor people. I just pointed out that this effort produces thousands of jobs so people can eat.
Orkomagic 2 years ago
In making this film they already produced jobs. This includes the utility men all the way to the talents of this film. Transformers rocks!!!!
elboy2 2 years ago
well if you read the title you fucking cock sucking douche bag, you'd see that its the filming of the movie. Your a fucking retard, shut the fuck up and go be a gaylord somewhere else.
p.s. fuck your whore mother in her fat pickle dick mouth
daveymc 2 years ago
lol trash talking 10 year old.
dumbass he was talking about someone else arguing about the economy. Your not cool.
horseygurlel 2 years ago
lol shit pushing 9 year old
dumbass i don't give a fuck who the fuck said what, fuck your mouth with my cock you stupid fuckin cream filled donut. blah blah.. oooh he's arguing about the economy... SUCK MY SWEATY BALLS YOU FUCKIN FAGGOT, SHUT YOUR CUM STAINED MOUTH YA FUCKIN DOUCHE BAG
daveymc 2 years ago
wow.
Meatlooaf 2 years ago
chill out
xbigunner518x 2 years ago
suck my left ball man tits
daveymc 2 years ago
wat kind of fag sits behind his computer all day cursing ppl off about a transformers movie argument on youtube. CUNT!!!
xbigunner518x 2 years ago
hmm i think someone needs some help
horseygurlel 2 years ago
It come out this year June, 26 2009.
angsk 3 years ago
2 days after my b day perfect b day gift for me lol
mysubsbang 2 years ago
The date has been moved to June, 24 2009. :)
AttackOFTHEPIE 2 years ago
wuts de name of da song?
JIMMI200 3 years ago
The Pretender by Foo Fighters
yodasoda719 3 years ago
it great
transforte 3 years ago
After returning to Cybertron, Starscream assumes command of the Decepticons, and has decided to return to Earth with force. The Autobots believing that peace was possible finds out that Megatron's dead body has been stolen from the US Military by Skorpinox and revives him using his own spark. Now Megatron is back seeking revenge and with Starscream and more Decepticon reinforcements on the way, the Autobots with reinforcements of their own, may have more to deal with then meets the eye.
doolok 3 years ago
so is this what happens is this what you heard or read or are you just assuming please reply
Andymann143232 3 years ago
Megatron is so dead, he is crushed leaving no evidence and megatron is not in the cast on imdb.
adoomator 3 years ago
he is back.
joniwhytestar 3 years ago
word to your mutha, this is gonna be tight!.
XxXWAKEXxX 3 years ago
not 2 many people kno about this...if this is said 2 be set in japan, maybe there will be some freakin sick japanese robots!! lol (did starscream come back from space and land in japan 2 get some more decepticons?)
EET321 3 years ago
Like Fucking Samuri transformers?
XFUZZBALL 3 years ago
you took this ? or it is from a web ? nice quality by the way :)
lolliwearsprada 3 years ago
its real & yea , just look in wikipedia
lolliwearsprada 3 years ago
you do know 90% of shit wiki says is false.
anyone can post ANYTHING they want in wiki lol
Wiki isnt a reliable source lol
Bleedxout 3 years ago
not true.. anyone can TRY to post on wiki. but it has to be proven to be factual before they post it on the site for the public to see.
4LURCH4 3 years ago
Nope, i used to post random crap there.. after you post, it shows after after a little bit, then gets a flag link for verification by other users who frequent the site. search for random things.. once in a while you'll get a page that needs a varification link. all you got to do is click it and thats that.. which is why wiki is still 100% unreliable.
Bleedxout 3 years ago
wow, well i did not know it was that easy lol.. my bad.
i dont like wiki that much any more haha
4LURCH4 3 years ago
Yea its very easy to get the wrong info off that site. altho im sure alot of info is actually dead on. but the way the site is set up as far as the verification links.. maybe they should hire ppl to sit in a room and do research on ppls posts to make sure they are accurate, rather then leaving it up to the users lol.
Bleedxout 3 years ago
lol yea thats a much better idea.
4LURCH4 3 years ago
wuts false?????
DevPack 3 years ago
whats false where?
Bleedxout 3 years ago
heyyyyyyyyyyy i like in allentown just alittle frm were dat wass!!! woohoo
EMY336 3 years ago
I never been so happy to live in Bethlehem.
DeathofHate 3 years ago
i heard that this is going to be the opening scene for T2, supposedly a setting in japan, but filmed here in the states. i cant wait til someone actually posts some new pics vids of the transformers!
bschoop177 3 years ago
yesterday i saw the cop cars they used infront of the mariott hotel in allentown
berserkersbrew19 3 years ago
verry great song
kanekul 3 years ago
i live there! we went down to try and see if we could see the set but we couldnt see anything
roxychick678 3 years ago
Great shots. Def not fake.Big deal to us in Bethlehem.Youd be talking bout it if it was in your town.Guess he didnt wait up till 3am to capture the explosions.tues & weds. Overall great video compare to mines.
natefritzn24 3 years ago
lol this is real..i was there man i live 2 blocks from the steel
bigblacksnake 3 years ago
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fake
BebeDavii 3 years ago
Believe it or not, its not fake. Go on Wikipedia, and search for transformers 2 if you dont believe me.
bismarckkyle16 3 years ago
dude i was there its real
bedaman10 3 years ago
wow, way to be a retard bebe
Montypytho17 3 years ago
omgee my dad is flying a helicopter in this movie, pretty cool! i am super stoked!!!!!
gossipgirl102 3 years ago
really . A transformers 2????
antantiques 3 years ago
gay song nuff said
cal619guy 3 years ago
jealous? i was there watching it point blank dont use music or put good music not shit music in
mr2roadpirate 3 years ago
Wow my video quality sucks compared to this one of the helicopters... but I only uploaded video from My digital camera and not my video camera. Some nice shots. thanks for sharing. Its cool to have this in our City.
Nater104 3 years ago
1. Ignore that thumbs up, I accidentally clicked the wrong one. You're just jealous, mr2roadpirate.
2. I am SO stoked about this movie. Bethlehem is only 20 miles or so away from my house, and to see this in the movie will be so cool!
upperperkdrumline 3 years ago
gay song what would except in bethlehem
mr2roadpirate 3 years ago