Friedman was always an advocate of peace and individual rights. He opposed the war in Iraq and he would have been the first to oppose sweetheart deals for private contractors.
What Klein seems to oppose are corporatism and neoconservativism. Friedman would absolutely agree with her on these points.
She is creating a straw man. Unfortunately he can no longer defend himself.
there is a difference between paying lip service for peace and advocating economic for policies that help peace. Friedman's ideas failed in EVERY country they were tried, including the USA and Chile. That's enough proof of what Klein says, no need to get into sophism.
@1000101er Of course you cannot update Friedmans view on the world because he is dead. Therefore he is like a dead philosopher. The problem is that many people who defend corporatism and and neo-conservatism use Miltons ideas to justify their actions.
Thanks Dr. Timewarp. I am sure she lost a lot of credibility now that you, an obvious intellectual hevyweight and fearless smacker of women folk presented your opinion. Let me call the press! LOL! you rightwingers are such pathetic losers.
1) I'm a Libertarian not a Republican. You want to label that "right-winger" knock yourself out.
2) She has no degree in economics, yet she speaks as though she's fluent in the subject, and all those pesky nobel prize winning free market economists just... didn't know what they were talking about. Fail.
She is not speaking about economic theory but social theory and she's not an academic . You want liberal economic theory on the Nobel Prize level you go to Paul Krugman or Joe Stiglitz:
"Klein is not an academic and cannot be judged as one. (...) But Friedman and the other shock therapists were also guilty of oversimplification, basing their belief in the perfection of market economies on models that assumed perfect information."
nytimes . com/2007/09/30/books/review/Stiglitz-t . html
She needs to read the history of modern liberalism aka progressives and the striking similarities in ideologies with socialism/ communism. She also needs to quit ignoring that "democracies" do not last very long. The welfare state is a prime example. Read quotes from Karl Marx, Lenin, Mussolini, Founding fathers, plato, and aristotle on democracies.
So Denmark, Iceland Switzerland with their well regulated markets, highly unionized workforce and socialized medicine are communist countries?! You are so full of it it's not even funny! Even though americans bought into this chicago schl BS in the past the propaganda is no longer working: the Reagan legacy is clearly crumbling. It is not the liberals who destroyed it it was conservative deregulation, the fact that US AAA rated bonds cannot be trusted as sound investment around the world.
LOL I lived in Switzerland for 2,5 years and can tell you they have virtually no unionized workforce or socialized medicine!
They have a small limited government, most people work self employed, many SME companies. Health insurance is required by law, but you have to pay yourself, or if you work for a company the company pays 50%.
Yep, there is nothing more money can't fix. Typical liberial answer to everything, problem is that doesn't work. We have tried that in the education system and it hasn't got any better. I worked for BlackWater for several years. I know that they are a business, but regardless what their motive is for giving aid it should be apprecaited.
brian patrick.how does money not help education? competitive salaries attract better teachers, money provides computers textbooks and funds extracurricular activities like sports, music, art. your argument is simply a lame justification for supporting the side that is draining public money and putting it into the hands of private contractors.
America schools are broken and teachers are to blame. Of course BlackWater's mission is to protect the principle, it is a business it is not a social service orginization. Kudos to BlackWater for their humanitarian aid.
The "humanitarian aid" you speak of is a PR move in Potrero, CA, where Blackwater is fighting local opposition against their planned mercenary training camp. You have no idea what you are talking about. Where has Blackwater provided humanitarian aid? In Iraq? I don't think so. In New Orleans where they rounded up citizens merely searching for food? Nope. By the way - if money were available to schools and not siphoned to Iraq, the teachers you disparage might have a better chance to succeed.
Klein misrepresents Friedman's ideas.
Friedman was always an advocate of peace and individual rights. He opposed the war in Iraq and he would have been the first to oppose sweetheart deals for private contractors.
What Klein seems to oppose are corporatism and neoconservativism. Friedman would absolutely agree with her on these points.
She is creating a straw man. Unfortunately he can no longer defend himself.
1000101er 2 years ago
there is a difference between paying lip service for peace and advocating economic for policies that help peace. Friedman's ideas failed in EVERY country they were tried, including the USA and Chile. That's enough proof of what Klein says, no need to get into sophism.
madashelldude 2 years ago
@1000101er Of course you cannot update Friedmans view on the world because he is dead. Therefore he is like a dead philosopher. The problem is that many people who defend corporatism and and neo-conservatism use Miltons ideas to justify their actions.
antoniomedina20061 1 year ago
This woman is a 3rd rate intellectual lightweight. She needs to shut her fucking mouth before I do it for her.
TimeWarp66 2 years ago
Thanks Dr. Timewarp. I am sure she lost a lot of credibility now that you, an obvious intellectual hevyweight and fearless smacker of women folk presented your opinion. Let me call the press! LOL! you rightwingers are such pathetic losers.
madashelldude 2 years ago
1) I'm a Libertarian not a Republican. You want to label that "right-winger" knock yourself out.
2) She has no degree in economics, yet she speaks as though she's fluent in the subject, and all those pesky nobel prize winning free market economists just... didn't know what they were talking about. Fail.
TimeWarp66 2 years ago
She is not speaking about economic theory but social theory and she's not an academic . You want liberal economic theory on the Nobel Prize level you go to Paul Krugman or Joe Stiglitz:
"Klein is not an academic and cannot be judged as one. (...) But Friedman and the other shock therapists were also guilty of oversimplification, basing their belief in the perfection of market economies on models that assumed perfect information."
nytimes . com/2007/09/30/books/review/Stiglitz-t . html
madashelldude 2 years ago
@TimeWarp66 What StupidFuck66 doesn't seem to understand Libertarians are Trust Fund Republicans. What an ignorant asswipe.
malkooth 2 months ago
She needs to read the history of modern liberalism aka progressives and the striking similarities in ideologies with socialism/ communism. She also needs to quit ignoring that "democracies" do not last very long. The welfare state is a prime example. Read quotes from Karl Marx, Lenin, Mussolini, Founding fathers, plato, and aristotle on democracies.
t0nt01982 3 years ago
So Denmark, Iceland Switzerland with their well regulated markets, highly unionized workforce and socialized medicine are communist countries?! You are so full of it it's not even funny! Even though americans bought into this chicago schl BS in the past the propaganda is no longer working: the Reagan legacy is clearly crumbling. It is not the liberals who destroyed it it was conservative deregulation, the fact that US AAA rated bonds cannot be trusted as sound investment around the world.
sam0fisher666 3 years ago 4
LOL I lived in Switzerland for 2,5 years and can tell you they have virtually no unionized workforce or socialized medicine!
They have a small limited government, most people work self employed, many SME companies. Health insurance is required by law, but you have to pay yourself, or if you work for a company the company pays 50%.
vryheid88 3 years ago
Yep, there is nothing more money can't fix. Typical liberial answer to everything, problem is that doesn't work. We have tried that in the education system and it hasn't got any better. I worked for BlackWater for several years. I know that they are a business, but regardless what their motive is for giving aid it should be apprecaited.
brianpatrick1975 4 years ago
wow, fascism lives!
bedhead66 4 years ago 2
brian patrick.how does money not help education? competitive salaries attract better teachers, money provides computers textbooks and funds extracurricular activities like sports, music, art. your argument is simply a lame justification for supporting the side that is draining public money and putting it into the hands of private contractors.
skipscobie 3 years ago
America schools are broken and teachers are to blame. Of course BlackWater's mission is to protect the principle, it is a business it is not a social service orginization. Kudos to BlackWater for their humanitarian aid.
brianpatrick1975 4 years ago
This is sarcasm, right?
getplaning 4 years ago 5
Nope not sarcasm, just my opinion.
brianpatrick1975 4 years ago
The "humanitarian aid" you speak of is a PR move in Potrero, CA, where Blackwater is fighting local opposition against their planned mercenary training camp. You have no idea what you are talking about. Where has Blackwater provided humanitarian aid? In Iraq? I don't think so. In New Orleans where they rounded up citizens merely searching for food? Nope. By the way - if money were available to schools and not siphoned to Iraq, the teachers you disparage might have a better chance to succeed.
RedSusan 4 years ago 2