Greenhatch have finished their survey and I've seen some of what the technology has been able to do. It has a lot of potential for multiple applications. Their primary remit was just to undertake the scanning, nothing more. English Heritage will take the results and and I'm sure news will filter down at some stage in the future.
@sonofherne Hmmmm..... I think its all about "context". To make logical sense, the drawing should bear some context to the monument, the function of the monument and other similar types of monuments in the vicinity like Avebury. So if they built S-H as an observatory, whats the dagger got to do with it? I don't believe in any of that ritual sacrifice stuff people say about S-H. The people who build S-H were peaceful scientific people. Most of all, i don't think they look like daggers. --John.
@john Why place hundreds of human remains in an observatory? Why built out of stone, shaped stone, with mortice & tenon joints+different types of stone. You may like to believe these were peaceful, scientific people but with respect that's incredibly naive. There are human remains,there's a man with arrows in his back.Leaving the daggers - what about the obvious axes? There's much evidence for violence, cranial trauma,dodgey burials,movement of remains etc. Many just don't chose to see it.
@john SH has a Breton influence. In their own stone art, daggers have huge relevance. Its a hybrid, similarity to Avebury just because of its proximity doesn't mean anything. Are chambered long barrows observatories too then? They have the same alignments! SH grew out of the tomb building tradition. It's all about communing with the ancestors, appeasing & holding off the natural world. These were intelligent people,not passive white coated eggheads dancing around with flowers in their hair.
@sonofherne Yea, maybe they are daggers, its possible. But i think you will find out in time that they were drawing other things. Time will tell. ---John.
To the last question: I'm not the first to theorize that the reason the builders brought material from elsewhere is to show that they were highly mobile. They must have assumed that this would be hard to fathom for a future civilization, so they needed to do something outstanding which could be understood in any language: proof of an advanced, ancient civilization having disappeared. Why there of all places? Now that's a good question.
@360Production - I would love to see a short video showing the results of this survey of the rock art at shonehenge. Or a short video of the "known" rock art, the rock art that has been recorded in books or journals.
@john37309 .John, the known art is a dagger and about 30 axes (based on bronze axes), a box shape (similar to carvings in Brittany), a grid,another possible dagger, and some kind of vague torso shape similar to Iberian carvings. I suspect there were once many more. Unproven carvings spotted by myself or colleagues have included another box with radiated 'hair' above, possible hafted stone axe, lozenge shapes as on beaker pots.
@sonofherne Thanks SonOfHerne. I googled the words "stonehenge rock art" and found the site "stonehengelaserscan org" that has some examples. I'm at this for quite some time now. To be very honest, i don't think they were drawing daggers! If they were, there should be many examples in other places too. Its a bit like guessing that a circle carved in stone is a picture of the Sun. A circle is just as likely to be the guys dinner plate or a football the caveman was kicking around. ----John.
@john37309 Although it's unusual for the period, daggers were certainly an important status symbol/prestige item, part of the burial ritual since the introduction of metals, found in most burials in the high Wessex phase when the SH was in use as well as elsewhere. This was always thought to be myceanean in origin but since then there's been British examples found. There has been some suggestion the dagger might be two axes that have morphed into each other.
I was on a Stonhenge special access tour and witnessed the scanning - any results yet ?
stonehengetours 7 months ago
Greenhatch have finished their survey and I've seen some of what the technology has been able to do. It has a lot of potential for multiple applications. Their primary remit was just to undertake the scanning, nothing more. English Heritage will take the results and and I'm sure news will filter down at some stage in the future.
sonofherne 7 months ago
@sonofherne Hmmmm..... I think its all about "context". To make logical sense, the drawing should bear some context to the monument, the function of the monument and other similar types of monuments in the vicinity like Avebury. So if they built S-H as an observatory, whats the dagger got to do with it? I don't believe in any of that ritual sacrifice stuff people say about S-H. The people who build S-H were peaceful scientific people. Most of all, i don't think they look like daggers. --John.
john37309 7 months ago
@john Why place hundreds of human remains in an observatory? Why built out of stone, shaped stone, with mortice & tenon joints+different types of stone. You may like to believe these were peaceful, scientific people but with respect that's incredibly naive. There are human remains,there's a man with arrows in his back.Leaving the daggers - what about the obvious axes? There's much evidence for violence, cranial trauma,dodgey burials,movement of remains etc. Many just don't chose to see it.
sonofherne 7 months ago
@john SH has a Breton influence. In their own stone art, daggers have huge relevance. Its a hybrid, similarity to Avebury just because of its proximity doesn't mean anything. Are chambered long barrows observatories too then? They have the same alignments! SH grew out of the tomb building tradition. It's all about communing with the ancestors, appeasing & holding off the natural world. These were intelligent people,not passive white coated eggheads dancing around with flowers in their hair.
sonofherne 7 months ago
@sonofherne Yea, maybe they are daggers, its possible. But i think you will find out in time that they were drawing other things. Time will tell. ---John.
john37309 7 months ago
Fascinating project. In the way of constructive criticism, please increase the volume on your follow-up video - this was nearly impossible to hear.
PuppyKicker42 11 months ago
@john37309 - watch this space, a video detailing the results will be available soon
360Production 11 months ago
Fascinating research and very nicely explained!
To the last question: I'm not the first to theorize that the reason the builders brought material from elsewhere is to show that they were highly mobile. They must have assumed that this would be hard to fathom for a future civilization, so they needed to do something outstanding which could be understood in any language: proof of an advanced, ancient civilization having disappeared. Why there of all places? Now that's a good question.
dvdly 11 months ago
Great video!
stonehengetours 11 months ago
@360Production - I would love to see a short video showing the results of this survey of the rock art at shonehenge. Or a short video of the "known" rock art, the rock art that has been recorded in books or journals.
Thank you, that was a really great video!
John.
john37309 11 months ago
@john37309 .John, the known art is a dagger and about 30 axes (based on bronze axes), a box shape (similar to carvings in Brittany), a grid,another possible dagger, and some kind of vague torso shape similar to Iberian carvings. I suspect there were once many more. Unproven carvings spotted by myself or colleagues have included another box with radiated 'hair' above, possible hafted stone axe, lozenge shapes as on beaker pots.
sonofherne 7 months ago
@sonofherne Thanks SonOfHerne. I googled the words "stonehenge rock art" and found the site "stonehengelaserscan org" that has some examples. I'm at this for quite some time now. To be very honest, i don't think they were drawing daggers! If they were, there should be many examples in other places too. Its a bit like guessing that a circle carved in stone is a picture of the Sun. A circle is just as likely to be the guys dinner plate or a football the caveman was kicking around. ----John.
john37309 7 months ago
@john37309 Although it's unusual for the period, daggers were certainly an important status symbol/prestige item, part of the burial ritual since the introduction of metals, found in most burials in the high Wessex phase when the SH was in use as well as elsewhere. This was always thought to be myceanean in origin but since then there's been British examples found. There has been some suggestion the dagger might be two axes that have morphed into each other.
sonofherne 7 months ago