Genesis 1:1 Why would a perfect God make an imperfect world?

[MGTutoriais]

What is the name of the song? is Canon rock new version?

[tex959]

twinnumber3, You should enjoy this video on Polytheism in the OT. youtube .com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg

[twinnumber3]

@tex959 Thanks, Tex, for the link. I appreciate your watching and commenting.

[BrotherAngstrom]

"In A beginning" sounds far-fetched. If the text meant to convey an infinite regress of time, then "beginning" isn't really a good choice of word here.

[twinnumber3]

@BrotherAngstrom Maybe so, but that's what the Hebrew says. An infinite regression isn't indicated- just prior beginnings. There are hints of earlier creations/universes throughout- waters, darkness, spirits pre-existing the creating of 1:2; an oral tradition of multiple starts. And the events of Genesis 1-2 can be seen as happening in parallel universes/dimensions, as suggested by the different verbs (create, form, make= universes known as B'riyah, Yetzirah, and Asiyah). Thanks, BrotherA.

[BrotherAngstrom]

Fair enough, and you make interesting points about there being hints of earlier creation work. The problem I have with this kind of analysis is the same problem that atheists have with the entire Bible... that is, since there are no original autographs, we are forced to consider only translations of translations. Who is to say that the translation that you are considering is faithful to the original? Thanks for providing good responses to folks' comments here.

[dekerranda]

This is great, I think, as I feel no one really knows yet. This is actually what I summized from my studies, but have never seen it really validated as in this vid. Very interesting.

[twinnumber3]

@dekerranda Thanks very much for watching and commenting! That's so cool you came to the similar conclusions!

[Leafshinoby]

SO what? all that I've believed was wrong? there are more gods? Imperfect Dieties that created our land and the skies? Now I don't know if you have heard of the "Legend of Zelda" but this sure sound like that...

And what now? We aren't to polute and populate the world, what should we do? can you please reply? I'm very confused

[twinnumber3]

@Leafshinoby Genesis quickly answers what we should do (2:15)- Be of service and protect the Earth. Most of the rest of the Bible is an elaboration of that. I know it's a shock to find out what you've been told is false I took years before starting these videos to make sure what I'm putting here is correct But the text has always said this- and it's consistent (unlike translations). I hope you'll find the original text provides a more sustainable basis for living- and makes sense, too Blessings

[meowtigeress19]

o.o wow my mind just open more!

[twinnumber3]

@meowtigeress19 Thanks very much for watching and liking, MeowTigress! An open mind is a good thing, imo.

[BeLIEeve196]

This reminds me of craters in space and in our universe and creaction Action

[twinnumber3]

@BeLIEeve196 Thanks very much for watching and commenting, and for your new video.

[lizazoon]

The answer is obvious: god didn`t create the world.

[twinnumber3]

@jessbrad10yrs Thanks for watching! I think 'elohim' *can* be a collective plural for spirits with a common purpose- acting as if one. But the use of a plural verb in this chapter indicates more than one being is involved. I can't immediately think of uses of the majestic plural for either God or rulers, either, as you noted.

[jessbrad10yrs]

I would tend to suggest that if you would look a little deeper into the ancient use of the Hebrew word "elohim" that it was common to use this plural form for a singular being. It is what is call a majestic plural. Since the words best translation into English is rendered simply as "strong one". This was a term ascribed to nobility and interestingly (though not in the Torah) the word "elohim" (plural) was often times used in reference to a single ruler that was lord over the all other lords.

[seshaiti13]

The believers in God kind of remind me of the believers in hitler. In both cases people gave their faith to something or someone that in their eyes can do no wrong. Most have never even seen this God yet will KILL to protect his pseudo-existence.

[seshaiti13]

They say with great power comes great responsibility but this pathetic society buredens the imperfect human with more responsibility than the "perfect" God.

[seshaiti13]

The bottome line is that God is simultaneously responisble for everything bad and good that happens to you.. that is because we has humans did not have the choice upon our own creation but God did because he was the creater of our parents supposedly.

[usedbrain]

When under trial, let no one say: I am being tried by God. For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone. (Jas. 1:13) These words point up the fact that it is contrary to Gods personality to try any of his intelligent creatures with evil.

[seshaiti13]

it would be a horrifying thought to be ruled by one who is imperfect. What baffles me most is that society says that one should not blame God for their problems yet even if one was to rape and murder dozens of people why couldn't they argue "I NEVER asked to be created so you should blame your precious GOD.

[seshaiti13]

IF God is not perfect then dosen't that mean he can make mistakes??? Now if God truly can make mistakes then what is to stop him from mistakenly sending a person to the wrong place upon the death of their physical body????

[seshaiti13]

once could argue that no one said God was Omnipotent and Omnescient. Well I have something to say about that as well. If God is not Omnesceint then that would mean then he cannot be perfect.

[usedbrain]

Are you saying that a perfect God would be unable to choose what he wishes to know? That would be a very bold statement. Just because God has the ability to know anything that he wishes does not mean that he is unable to NOT know something according to his own will.

[usedbrain]

The argument that Gods not foreknowing all future events and circumstances in full detail would evidence imperfection on his part is an arbitrary view of perfection. Perfection, correctly defined, does not demand such an absolute, all-embracing extension. Ultimately, Gods own will and good pleasure are the deciding factors as to whether anything is perfect.

[seshaiti13]

to put this in terms easy to decipher If God knows everything that would mean he would have foresaw the fall of humans and the approaching sin yet he allowed that to happen. That is a malevolent act because if one even gives their child a chance of burning in hell for ever that is evil.

[seshaiti13]

Now God would have no excuse if he was in the same situation because God supposedly knows everything so that would mean he would forsee the death of his child.

[seshaiti13]

If society had free will then we would allow people even children to kill themselves. This brings me back to the situation with the parent and child. An imperfect human who is not omnescient might have a doubt in ther mind that the child was to take their own life.

[seshaiti13]

but in our society that human would be persecuted by other people and possibly sent to prison. If I created a monster with neutral attentions such as "Frankenstein" and it went on a killing spree slaughtering people would you believe humans would let me get away if I said " it has free will"??

[seshaiti13]

Why is it that society would not forgive an "imperfect" human for allowing his child to go and kill themselves by hanging or to go and play on the train tracks. Suppose the parent attempted to tell the child to do diffeently. The human has an excuse because the human is imperfect

[seshaiti13]

Now one could argue that God gave his creations the power of "free will". Well allow me to systematically dissect that foolish concept.

[seshaiti13]

That being said, was it not God that created Satan and all the demons that exist in the world??? If there is a God 9(I don't think there is) then he would be the supreme source of both good and evil.

[seshaiti13]

firstly, if God is truly omnipotent and omnescient then that would mean he possessed the power to forsee the future and stop or change any possible reality from occuring

[seshaiti13]

I respect the Christian's beliefs about God and heaven but I find them to be very... conveinant in a negative way.

[2Corfive17]

Perhaps the plurality of Elohim, is due to the Trinity of God. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All of which have existed since "A" beginning. Perhaps it is written as "a" beginning due to the fact that Elohim also created the concept of "A beginning". It's not as if God was sitting on his couch for years, and then one day said "I think I'll create the universe today". It's a hard concept to grasp, but really only one God can answer for you. He is outside our laws of physics, time, and space.

[Nawledge1]

Wow. Never thought of Genesis like that before. But for sake of argument, I would say "elohim" were the processes in chemicals and single celled organisms that led to evolution.

[twinnumber3]

Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts- I really appreciate it. There is a system of thought that associates elohim very closely with natural processes and 'laws.' I refer to it some in videos 6 and 7. Best to you- J

[HeathenForFun]

Lovely music choice.

Great video! I knew a lot of this stuff already but I learned some new things.

Mmm...

[twinnumber3]

Thanks, Heathen, for watching and commenting. Best to you!

[crazypills2]

Interesting take...I've never heard this argument before.

[twinnumber3]

Me either lol Thanks very much for watching and commenting.